I’ve been riding my Surron in town for a year and a half. Have gone past numerous bpd and sheriffs with no issue. But I also don’t go wheelie in the road and go crazy through traffic.
Mostly comes down to common sense, if youre blowing through town at 50mph and riding like a dingbat youll prinably get stopped. If youre respectful, have some swlf control and commmon sense youll likely be fine.
Add pedals, mirrors, horn, head/tail lights and register by mail in CA as a moped. No inspection required. Cost about $25 and they mail you plates good indefinitely. You do have to have at least an m2 license to ride a moped in CA but a relatively easy way to make these higher powered "ebikes" more legal. Could theoretically still get ticketed or impounded if you are caught exceeding 30mph, but police will probably allow it if you are plated.
This is a joke. I find it hilarious when cops say it's not safe to ride or drive because it's modified meanwhile they have police vehicles with souped-up engines and flashed computers with stock suspension( which is very dangerous ) and drivers who have no idea what they are doing
The law is clear federal law mandates class 3 28mph. Class 2 can have no pedals but only 20mph. This thing can do 45-55mph how is that not a motorcycle. It's clear on the website it's not street legal.
Laws was made so they can be broken! Have fun, live on the edge and get some adrenaline going!ignore the people who are scared all their lives and afraid to live a little. These people probably over 21 and still living with mommy and daddy 😂😂😂
@@Randy2747totally agree, all fun things are illegal. I’ve even been chased twice by the police on my non electric pedal bike for doing wheelies which is a little bit absurd but I’ve gotten away both times because when I was respectful and stopped for them they would always find a reason to give me a ticket… 😅
DUDE....your totally out of line on this. Cops have massive driver training way more than a normal driver.....Souped up engines. Yes they do have that....They also have high speed rated tires up to more than 170mph. And way way beefed up suspension almost corvette style. Built for the weight of the gear and high speed. That is why they have the badge on the side that says Police interceptor......DUHHHH....and ebikes with NO ISURANCE. NO responsibility going those kind of speeds 50mph is dangerous. That is why they have laws. and now if you have a surron on a Bike path....they are taking them. (like river bottom one)
28mph is too slow to be riding on the road, you will get honked at or road rage from drivers when there are no bike lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic. 28mph restriction is stupid and will actually cause more danger to both riders and drivers. As more and more ebike riders are becoming popular. The speed is going to be an issue on the road when traffic wants to go 45mph and you are riding really slow at 28mph causing traffic jams and angry drivers.They will yell at you and tell you get the f*** off the road. Or worse swerve into you on purpose or cut you off.
Doesn't stop road bikes on the road going less then 28mph. If you wanted to go fast you can get electric mopeds that look like a honda grom. There's a lot of street legal options. A sur ron can be made street legal then registered as a moped but you need to follow what the DMV says but even then you cannot go faster then 40-45mph
@@lilvegasbasc-se7en-0-duece67 Not really, there are crappy ones on amazon with a similar enough style. Unless a cop is an enthusiast with interest in these things, they won't know the difference.
in CA you can register it as a custom build, the DMV will give you a VIN then you take it to a trophy shop and have a vin plate made. it needs to be permanantly attach to the bike (rivets) take picture and send to the DMV.
Well i got a question now.. Some "Ebikes" come with controls that have a street and off road mode. So you can set the street mode for 750W and off road to max even if the "Ebike it's self has 4k watts. So as such would it be legal on the street in "street mode" while limited to only 750w and kept under 28mph ?
@@NatsumeKonnothat doesn’t wash, they view it on total motor power not what your currently running, so if you had a 8000w motor limited to 750w they’re still classing that as a 8000w bike. But like others said just be respectful and you should be fine
@NorthWalesOutdoors I've been commuting 4 years on ebikes that's over 750w, & never had an issue, but I drive responsible, don't wheelie, & go slow past pedestrians & on bike trails, plus have turn signals & anything else to help make it more safe
Whether its legal or not is not the issue, its whether or not the cop decides to enforce the law. A fedex truck parked in a red fire lane blatantly breaking the law probably wont get a ticket even tho hes clearly breaking the law, some laws get enforced and some dont, if you're not being stupid you probably wont get pulled over, but always remember, the smaller the town, the more attention you will receive from the popo. Ive been riding my surron on san diego streets in front of hundreds of cops and right by the downtown police station for 4 years now and 6000 miles and have never been bothered, i also dont ride foolishly tho. A bored cop in a town of 4000 people tho might want to investigate your new toy but i dont have any experience on that note. Be safe boys and girls. By the way, ebike laws are stupid, hows a cop going to know what your top speed is if you were doing 15mph? And hows he going to know what the wattage is and so forth, imagine if you couldn't drive your sports car on the road because its capable of breaking all speed limits. Just because its capable of going over 70mph doesn't mean you will. But if your ebike is capable of going over 28 its automatically illegal, wow. Is the cop going to hop on your bike and test the top speed to verify lol. So dumb. How about pull the rider over for being dumb, not the bike for being an inanimate object subject to the riders inputs, much like a ferrari. FAFO.
@@progamerzezefun7576 I got one to get me to and from work. Its a pretty useful investmnet. Ive already saved $700+ dollars from not paying car insurance or a car note + gas. But I do agree the laws are pretty fuckin retarded.
I have no problem registering a Surron or Talaria as a motorcyle, especially if you have one already, M endorsement, registered, inspected , etc. The problem is: Most of the dealers, including Cali, Utah, and the east coast are selling China imported bikes with no VIN number or some do and some don't. It may have a PIN # on the headtube and is functionally identical for many purposes, like insurance identity, and the dealer may even say it's good for everything, but it isn't a 17 digit VIN number that the DMV will allow for some states to register your eBike. You may get lucky and the clerk that day lets it be registered, but it is unlikely. But then some states will let you substitute an MCO (Manufactures Certificate of Origin) for the VIN. So, you have a 1. Invoice,(Bill of Sale or receipt) 2. MCO 3. VIN and 4. Title Sellers (Chinese) can provide any mix of these (never all 4, usually 2). Your local Dealer can have any mix of these also (because they may not get an MCO or a VIN from their Chinese wholesaler). The local dealer may not have a Title for you because his state requires one of the certificates he didn't receive. Finally, each state has different rules for which of those 4 you need to register and plate your eBike. Not to mention whether you can get the Street legal lighting or not. Many of the overseas suppliers do, but only a few will have that factory lighting in your own country. (if you're handy you can get a lighting package .. if you have a major brand). As buyers (given that you need or want it street legal) we are faced with these 4 items and there is a random mixture of them between 3 parties. The Chinese suppliers, your Dealer, and your DMV. That's the problem. If you buy direct from overseas yourself, for whatever reason, the same obstacles will apply. It seems to me out of the 4 items, not having a VIN is usually the hardest to overcome. For instance, in my state, WV, I thought I had it pretty much together. I checked with the DMV and asked what they needed to register before I ordered. They said Receipt, Bike with VIN, and 'papers'. Great, I'm ordering overseas (to get the legal lights and horn), they said it had a VIN, and I'll have a Receipt when it arrives, plus I have the email confirmation and Invoice #. So I ordered. Just in case, I went back online on their chat and confirmed, "There's a VIN, right?", "Yes". "There's an Invoice with the bike, right", "Yes!" At this point I'm pretty much set, I thought. The DMV had said, "papers", a little vague, so I asked further, just in case. "There's a normal MCO, right?" (most overseas sellers have one). "Uh, no. Don't have MCO." Well, "There's a Title with it, of course, right", Uh, No!" Lucky, I said to him, I know I already ordered, but can you hold off shipping it for a few days so I can check again with the DMV? I'm just hearing now that I get a VIN on the bike and a Bill of sale when it arrives. That's it? Went early in the morning to the DMV and asked what exactly does "papers" mean? Now they said you need a VIN, receipt, and the Title. Mainly the Title. Uh oh. I tried everything. "Well, when I get my invoice, that's a bill of sale that has my name and the seller's on it and that's 'proof of purchase'. Then I will have the VIN on a newly manufactured item that is described in the invoice and can be entered into your system. Nope. "Need a Title". Well, "When I buy a car or a moto at a dealer, I just have a payment, I can call right there and get my insurance, they give me a Bill of Sale and some other papers. I come here with that and you register it and give me a paper tag until the plates come or give me the plates outright and a Title comes in the mail." "Nope, need a Title." I gave up. I went back home and asked for the guy from the seller who I talked to before and luckily he said, Yes I could cancel the order because it hadn't shipped. Whew. I'm going back to the DMV though and talk with a supervisor because I swear I've heard in other states there is a way, some way, to get a Title by applying with a certain DMV Title form and a Bill of sale and an MCO and get issued a Title for that vehicle. I'll find a seller that has an MCO and a VIN, or papers that can get you a Title if there isn't one already. So, for my state the Title was a must have. In another state it may be not having a stamped VIN on the frame that is the show stopper. Is there a way to register a Surron or Talaria going through a process to be assigned a VIN number? You would have a bill of sale and it would be a new vehicle, so there must be a way. Or, If your state takes an MCO from the manufacturer and your Receipt, isn't that enough to apply for a Title (and then be accepted for state registration), but many of the Chinese sellers do not give an MCO and after the dealer in the US has taken a shipment of them without that MCO, you aren't getting one after that. States want a VIN or secondarily an MCO letter from the manufacturer, or in my case a Title, to register a motorcycle. Is there any way for these 50 mph E Bikes to get a state registration without a VIN or a Title? More of these will be sold every day. It would be nice to have the same procedure in every state.
so i live in California so I'm going to state a similar issue i had in the past. I had a 1964 vw beetle and it only had one vin number on the whole car. Unfortunately it didn't pass my states vin verification. I then had to go to California highway patrol and request them to do the vin verification. They were able to add a vin number to my car so that there was two identifying spots with a vin number. Id assume that if you had a Chinese bike with no vin that you would be able to do a similar process. i also only had a bill of sale on the vehicle and it was out of state title transfer as well however this was also an actual vehicle. No idea if this helps or not but perhaps can give you an idea with the vin issue? Id call your local highway patrol and see if they have any ideas for you. however no vin and no title at all is definitely a challenge
You should of ask the officer if 28mph is safe speed. It is basically too fast for the bike lanes and too slow for traffic lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic on the road. And if they want to ride on the bike lane then keep the speed down to 28mph. That would make a lot more sense. Who makes up these law? Also 750W motor law does not make sense either. It also depends on wheel size, tire size, hub driven, chain driven, dual motors, rider weight, bike weight, battery voltage, all plays a factor in power. You can have a 750watt motor go 28mph or 50mph by tuning changing controllers, sprockets, wheel sizes ect......
True, manufacturers switched to gear hubs just to get enough torque out of 750 watts, now we have more parts to fail, nylon gears to strip, no regen! Not sure I'd want to go 40 on my bike regularly, though. The Chinese products we usually deal with tend to skimp on the things we'd need to go that fast, ie brakes, thru-axle, double crown forks, so weight is brought down. Direct drive needs bought 3000 watts to hold 40 mph, and needs to be rated for more so they don't overheat the windings with reasonable, real world use.
Its a carry over from Moped laws. It is not meet one restriction its fall under all restrictions; 50cc limit + 30mph limit + single speed (in my state). If your 50cc but two speed that classifies it as a motorcycle, same with just traveling over 30mph, makes it a motorcycle. These are relatively arbitrary, but a line had to be drawn somewhere and you already pointed out exactly why its about where it is: it doesn't allow for direct use of the roadways and keeps the vehicle relegated to the shoulders. IDK about California or many other places but these aren't deal breakers in my area it just changes what you need to ride it because it just becomes a motorcycle. To play devils advocate a little, anything capable of 30+ mph doesn't belong on sidewalks and then should obey traffic laws as well.... its in traffic, so making it comply (registered and licensed) with the law isn't illogical.
If you want to keep up with 50 mph traffic then you should be registered, insured, and licensed like everybody else. It takes years of training and expertise for a road cyclist to go that fast, vs a 14 year old kid first time on an electric motorcycle with the flick of a switch. Just think about someone other than yourself for 30 seconds and you'll realize why these laws exist. Btw where I live ebikes are limited to 20 mph and that serves me just fine, I stay in the bike lane and don't mix with traffic.
Sounds like he’s giving fair warning and alluding to not speeding in order to avoid unwanted attention. ( I have the Sting and ride routinely on the roads in San Diego County with 0 problems as of 11/30/22)
Personal Electric Vehicles (PEVs) is another avenue where I live. You are allowed to operate any PEV on any road with a posted speed limit of 35 mph and under. This goes for scooters, golf carts, one wheels, electric skateboards and the like. I personally have never had an officer take a second look at me when I ride, though I keep it pretty chill. Fellow cyclists on the other hand can be terrible. I just expect it now.
Never under any circumstances stop for the police! Absolutely ridiculous to register/license with the government! 3 u-turns and the cops are out of the picture!
Don't listen to this guy if you fuck up and crash your ass is going to jail for felony evasion. You cant claim this is an ebike. Ebike are 750watts at motor up yo 28mph. This is an electric motorcycle and you need to go to school at least. Registration is another thing and you can say you don't wanna pay the government that's fine.
Please do not follow his advise, my nephew did not stop on his Surron and the police motorcycle officer caught him. Now he is faced with a misdemeanor with up to 1 year in jail. Now my brother has to retain a lawyer and we are waiting for the court date next month. Already facing I believe $1,500 for the 30 day impound of the Surron and also was charged for not having a motorcycle endorsement, no insurance (could not believe the fine is close to $900), and not registered for use on a public road. I could not believe the Surron was 5k, I told my brother just buy a used motorcycle for him since he is 16.
@@geneg6343 sorry to hear about the arrest. The good news is they have street legal electric dirt bikes. Heck if he loves electric they have zero motorcycles and kawasaki has there new electric motorcycles. But under no circumstances should anyone buy a sur ron and act as its an ebike without checking there local laws. Where im at they will not make it street legal with out a proper Vin, mirrors, lights, turn signals, reflectors. The sir ron was always make for offroad use and never ment to go on public streets.
3:08 So I was thinking about getting a dummy holster for the other side so I could use left and right as armrests. It's strangely comfortable standing with the arms at rest.
I wanted to know, which class or speed or wattage would I need to go as fast as legally possible without needing to register it, I asl because I'm legally blind and i need to commute a long way in as little time as I legally can.
The 28mph restriction, and especially the 750w restriction is absolutely assinine and causes far more danger to riders and drivers than riding these things unlocked. 750w is not even close to powerful enough to keep you at 28mph on an uphill, and will definitely struggle on most inclines. 28mph on public roadways is significantly too slow, as most traffic flows up to 40mph on city streets. In my opinion, there should be a category other than e-bike, moped, and motorcycle. There should be the e-moto class, or if necessary, these can be classified as a class 5 e-bike. Even class 4 offroad ebikes are still far too slow for road use. This would make it most safe for all parties involved.The restrictions should be no more powerful than 8kw motor, electronically limited to 40mph, and should not require licensure or insurance to ride. It should not be considered a motorcycle, and thus will not be highway legal, and may only be ridden on city streets. They should also not be eligible to ride on sidewalks or on bike paths, and only on surface roads. The only requirements to ride are for it to be registerd as a non-licensed motor vehicle with the DMV, and a number plate showing it is considerd an e-moto or class 5 ebike. Any electric motorcycle that is more powerful or faster than the limits stated should need to be fully insured and licensed as all others are. We need an in-between classification for these bikes. Registering it as a motorcycle in most places is impossible, as the VIN numbers are not considered registerable as a motorcycle, scooter, or moped. The law needs to catch up, as the limitations placed upon street legal e-bikes are unsafe and increase the danger to all parties involved where there are not bike lanes or bike paths.
If we're to have no license requirement for that class, at least make it so dui offenders who lost theirs can't get a bike registered in their name. Am I wrong?
@@tdgdbs1 Well if you read my post then you'd understand that I was mainly saying that there should not be any wattage requirements because a 750w ebike is not strong enough to get up hills while maintaining 28mph.
@@polunu Right that would have to be a requirement to register it, just making sure you havent had your license taken away before. Regardless you really can't ride a bike drunk, balancing is almost impossible and you really wouldn't get more than a block without faceplanting so its not a huge issue.
I own the loudest super bike probably in all of San Diego and I constantly see cops.. Only time I got pulled over was when I revved like an ass and got let go with a warning. On. top of that, I run with a stealth tail tidy that hides my number plate which the cop thought was hard to find.. once again.. didn't give a flying F... Just don't be a donkey and you'll be fine.
@@PetroHeadYeah I live in San diego too and i’m afraid of getting a Surron and getting impounded, obviously I wouldn’t be riding like an asshole but it just always in the back of my mind.
Anaheim PD don’t care about my Talaria (mx3). I’ve ridden it to work for awhile now going 45-47 mph and lane splitting. As long as you don’t do wheelies and follow traffic laws. Install a street legal kit consisting of turn signals and working brake lights. Mirrors etc. Cops could care less. The bike is quiet. Wear a helmet and gear. The DMV denies registration for these bikes. Some got through and got moped plates but majority of the time they’ll classify it as off road use only. Although some smaller Police Departments are starting to crack down on surrons and talarias because of teens or younger doing stunts and getting into accidents. Huntington Beach PD is one of them.
You got good info. Yes it's not street legal. But some states you can get this registered as a moped. Currently your at the mercy of if the cop wants to get you or not.
@@MKBx1 are you talking about the Zero FX? I never seen a sur ron come with turn signals mirrors and what not. Most states you can register it as a moped. Not where I'm at anyways. I own a electric motorcycle that came from China. It's registered as a motorcycle has MC tags. I asked about sur ron and they wont let me register it as a moped in my state.
must wear helmet max speed of 20mph. Right in the CA drivers handbook. look it up online. no pedals required. But you suppose to have 750 watt motor....so I would not ride it on a bike trail....Bike lane ok under 20mph but they are checking for surrons on bike trails now. still illegal but if your under 20mph they are probably not going to check. The pedal kit would help if your pedaling and over 16 you can go 28mph... any faster than that and they can take it from you.
Would like to see what they would say about electric scooters vs electric bikes. I'm not sure if there is a speed limit for e-scooter the same way there is for e-bikes.
That's how they used to be shipped a class 3 ebike capped at 28mph. But get real why would you spend 4-5grand just to ride slow. Yes it's legal to use this offroad but most people are using it for streets.
@@NatsumeKonnoI mostly use mine on the streets. I still have my 750w legal ebike and I don’t feel safe because it’s slow. Now that I got the XXX, I began seeing surrons getting impounded that’s why I’m worried
How can I get a license and get a license plate for it and the bike that I was looking at goes way over the watts so would that even be still illegal if I get it licensed
You can switch the brown wire but if a cop sees you doing 50 he's not gonna care. Unless you're expecting some kind of inspection where they ride your bike it's probably not worth the effort.
or you could like, let off the throttle and pay attention to your speed? I dont have a switch on my car preventing it from doing 135mph but I don't drive 135mph everywhere. It can do 135 fairly easily.
It looks like the cops are vouching for registration and insurance...bla bla sounds like more money they want from us for the city. How is registering this making any different. I get insurance, but registration is just giving money away to your local city...and cops love registrations because it pays their salaries (80k-100k per year BTW).
@@WitchyKatz a lot of cities in LA...no joke, they advertise $80k a year plus 10k bonus by having a Bachelor's degree starting salary... Inglewood, Long Beach...areas.
California vehicle code 24016(d). A person shall not tamper with or modify an electric bicycle described in subdivision (a) of Section 312.5 so as to change the speed capability of the bicycle, unless he or she appropriately replaces the label indicating the classification required in subdivision (c) of Section 312.5.
I live in Michigan 20 miles or so from Detroit and people ride around on quads and actual dirtbikes and the cops don’t seem to mind. I have a class 3 bike that does 40mph and I had a state cop pull up behind me and I got nervous though lol. I just want to cover my bases though if I’m gonna drop 3k plus on a bike. I’ve been eying talarias for a min and haven’t pulled the trigger yet. I’ll probably wait till spring to get one though so it’s not sitting in the garage for months. It gets really cold here.
2:29 ween he says its illegal to tamper with them !? So no new handle bars or any mods ? And what about home made bike's ? I can find crap of much info on the chp link you left.
CA state law requires emission sticker VIN number all lights turn signals DOT Approved License plate and M1 or M2 license and insurance. Ride with traffic. Not in a bike lane. not sure you can get that from a Surron. sorry. Check DMV website or google pretty clear.
if its no longer an e bike, is it then a motorcycle, or moped, and what about putting running lights and turn signals at it at that time???, thank you for the video , was exactly what I like to see, to answer what is legal and not legal, thank you!
I've been pulled over 3xs and haven't gotten a ticket yet. No pedal kit. I also respect the laws of the road and don't speed or wheelie on the roads My sur ron lbx has over 6k miles my Talaria MX4 has under 1k miles 99% street
I believe the enforcement office needs to upgrade the rules to include the use of all ebikes. there so many coming out now and they need to grow with the biking situation! instead of blocking everything ! maybe a license plate registration with different riding codes depending on the power !
The wattage designation is silly. Just because you have more than 750W doesn't mean you're going to be tearing around on public roads at 50MPH. That's like saying if you have a 1000HP car you can't drive it on public roads because it has the potential to go 200MPH.
if im 13 and have a pedal kit on this and only put it in eco so it goes lets just say 28 for the record, would anything happen, in my state it says i needa be 16 but i mean it has pedals and goes the legal speed
So if you have the controller limiting the motor to 750w and have you top speed no faster than 28mph. I'm gusting you have to have pedals on it also ? That's fairly easy to do especially if you have a but load of cargo on you. It would pass as a e-bike ? LOL so you have to get impounded to get it registered street legal M2 license..
"Welp, looks like im pushing it home." I'm on probation with no driver license and that's why I own a Super 73 and not a Eride Pro SS. Getting my Ninja out of impound costed ALOT more than getting a car out.
California; tell your government what laws you want from them, and how you want those laws enforced. They have been called public servants for generations, and your generation doesn't seem to know why.
Could i ride the Talaria Sting R MX4 on the sidewalks ? but in eco mode ofc, and i'll soon get one because i always wanted a dirtbike like a gas one but i heard its illegal to drive on the roads or sidewalks and they pretty loud and its more maintenance u have to do, but the Talaria is the closest thing to a dirtbike, well the Surron Ultra Bee is but i perfer the Talaria Sting R over Surron Ultra Bee and Surron X and Talaria X
@polunu ight bro.. i don't know about all that now, plus barely nobody uses the sidewalks where im at, its not like a populated area, so i just want something to have fun with and that looks cool. i don't think anybody would look at me and think im a "purse-snatcher" they would just compliment me and move on with their day
Crazy how this differs from state to state. Don't exceed posted speed limits, don't bob-and-weave between traffic, don't wheelie in traffic, USE HAND SIGNALS, qear a helmet and gear, and you should be good. Be respectful, but also know your rights. Ride safe everybody 👍
I think the biggest issue with bikes like the surron is kids get thier hands on them and go flying down sidewalks, streets and trails way too fast and pulling wheelies. People walking dont want someone blowing by them at 30-40 mph. Its flat out dangerous. i ride a motorcycle and i want to get one of these to ride mountain bike trails but i have a feeling those people are going to be telling me that bikes not allowed and they will call the police. This really sucks!🎉
@@WitchyKatz yea cutting a wire and app. But you know why there is a limit? Because that's called street legal mode. Why is it on a bike you can make it go 60mph and think it doesn't require a license but we have electric cars and everyone knows you need one for that. I get that people feel that it's small and cops tend to not look because they thought your on an ebike. I don't care anyways I'm glad Niu made a street legal sur ron clone. I can take it on the freeway no problems with police as it has a motorcycle plate.
4:50 e mountain bikes or pedal assist bikes have no throttle, only work up to 28 mph and cost 10,000$. They are not under the radar they are the radar they perfectly safe to ride.
Thank God, I live in Miami and literally have spoken to multiple cops about this and every single one of them. I said you’re fine to just ride it on the roads but also in Miami they allow you to ride dirt bikes and other vehicles on the road, even though it is an enforceable law, but they’re not going to try to enforce it Due to the fact that one you can put many people in the city at danger too. It’s next to impossible to catch them in a city three they also don’t really care because very few people get hurt riding it so it’s about equivalent to the E bike crashes but that’s not to say all of Florida is like the suburb area since there’s not much to do cops will definitely mess with you. My advice is anyone who lives in a police state moved to a different place cause it’s 120 pound bike you hit a car. The only person that’s getting hurt. Is you an under federal law? Guess these are still considered E bikes they’re considered class four so even though California has its own laws that does not makethe Serron to lawyers and other Emoto not classified as E bikes.
The problem that I see with these things in my neighborhood is that they get up on the sidewalks they drive through. They don’t follow any road laws. They dip through traffic. They zip out of traffic. They go back on sidewalks parking lots zip out go right back in the traffic and not have any regards for any else so when they cause a crash and most of them don’t even have insurance so, it’s ridiculous
The problem is some dumb parents bought these bikes for their kids or some dumb rich kids bought these bikes and started doing wheelies on the sidwalk and cutting in/out of traffic while giving others the middle finger. So what happened is that these adults got pissed off and went to the mayors and elected officials and now got them to impound these bikes. Stupid kids messed it up for everyone.
probably not. trails allow class 3 at most and doesn't this follow the guidelines of any class. Class 3 is 28mph max with pedal assist only. no throttle.
I see kids riding these on the streets all the time at the same time Im required to have a license, registration and insurance to ride my motorcycle. I don't see how these are any different other than one is gas powered and one is electric .
The wattage ratings are based on rated nominal power. The 6500 you quoted is just the maximum it can pull for short bursts and would only be used from a stop or when trying to get up a massive hill
Definately illegal in most states such as Cali. There's info on it on the DMV websites for those that wanna read up. U can ride it still but of course you'll run the risk of getting your bike impounded. Depends if the cop gonna cool about it.
@@user-tl4ki4oq2r depends on the state. California's treating it as a moped at the time but laws changed as I wrote this. Now sur rons are considered motorcycles and California is rumored to buy tech from Europe that can dyno the bike. But we all know sur rons and talaria the base ones can do 40mph+ some companies are making street legal versions now. Example lights, mirrors, plate holders, turn signal, reflectors. It's not illegal to a talaria but you must check your local laws if you wanna ride it on the road every state is different.
I hate catching buses and maintaining a car is just not in my budget so I’m hoping that getting a talaria will be more convenient and cost efficient it would really suck if I bought one and I get harassed by the police I already have a pedal e bike but want something that goes a lil faster or can handle a hill with out losing half your battery
It still low key doesn’t matter cuz the motor is over 750 watts, but it does help tho if you get pulled over, if your not speeding and respectful they might give you a pass and let you go with a warning
So to sum it all up, run from the police if you see them looking at you, because otherwise youre going to lose your ebike and the impound will be just as much as the bike. Or dont buy one at all if you plan to use it in the city.
Last words are most important. DON'T GET CAUGHT
Follow the fucking law people.
@@andreperry7995i can tell no one likes you
@@Randy2747 be sacred of what man?
Lmao go cry Perry
@@andreperry7995Why should we obey laws that we did not make and to which we do not agree?
I’ve been riding my Surron in town for a year and a half. Have gone past numerous bpd and sheriffs with no issue. But I also don’t go wheelie in the road and go crazy through traffic.
Here in nz they don't care unless you go on the motorway without a plate and only look to enforce it when you are driving like a dick
The most important rule for riding these. don't be an a-hole and don't do wheelies in front of cops they will likely not bother you at all.
It's matter of time bro trust me. They will get you.
You should know I looked at your comment and found it way more useful than this douche
I’m in Canada and want to get the new E-ride pro SS. But I’m nervous about taking it through the city. Id rather not put fake pedals on it either..
This guy looks like he writes a lot of impound tickets for these type of vehicles and he’s proud of it lol
He should be. He is doing his job.
@@andreperry7995bruh
@@andreperry7995and what a pointless stupid job that is
@@andreperry7995
How does any of that protect and serve?
Absolutely ridiculous!
@@glenclarkchidley3637 cop job is more than protect and serve bro. Know the fucking laws of the road man.
Standing beside a cop saying, “Don’t get caught” instead of, check your local laws, ride safe and obey the law. 😀
Mostly comes down to common sense, if youre blowing through town at 50mph and riding like a dingbat youll prinably get stopped. If youre respectful, have some swlf control and commmon sense youll likely be fine.
keep it under 25.....20 is the actual Pedal ebike speed limit. Read the CA dmv website information. very clear.
Asking a cop to explain the law is like asking a donkey to do algebra
this comment ...lol ...
Absolutely!! They'll lie to your face with a smile, and make Sh$T up just to get you..
LOL
Finally someone whose eyes are open to facts.
Right..like anywhere every employee has different rules 😂
Add pedals, mirrors, horn, head/tail lights and register by mail in CA as a moped. No inspection required. Cost about $25 and they mail you plates good indefinitely. You do have to have at least an m2 license to ride a moped in CA but a relatively easy way to make these higher powered "ebikes" more legal. Could theoretically still get ticketed or impounded if you are caught exceeding 30mph, but police will probably allow it if you are plated.
I can register online without inspection?
Do I need an ID to do that?
If it's plated, it wouldn't be o the radar as much. Sure would be funny on the cycling lanes tho
Does it need to have a VIN number for registration?
Can you do a video tutorial on how to do this please
This is a joke. I find it hilarious when cops say it's not safe to ride or drive because it's modified meanwhile they have police vehicles with souped-up engines and flashed computers with stock suspension( which is very dangerous ) and drivers who have no idea what they are doing
Don’t forget the laptops mounted to the dash so they can be distracted while they’re driving through busy traffic.
The law is clear federal law mandates class 3 28mph. Class 2 can have no pedals but only 20mph.
This thing can do 45-55mph how is that not a motorcycle. It's clear on the website it's not street legal.
Laws was made so they can be broken! Have fun, live on the edge and get some adrenaline going!ignore the people who are scared all their lives and afraid to live a little. These people probably over 21 and still living with mommy and daddy 😂😂😂
@@Randy2747totally agree, all fun things are illegal. I’ve even been chased twice by the police on my non electric pedal bike for doing wheelies which is a little bit absurd but I’ve gotten away both times because when I was respectful and stopped for them they would always find a reason to give me a ticket… 😅
DUDE....your totally out of line on this. Cops have massive driver training way more than a normal driver.....Souped up engines. Yes they do have that....They also have high speed rated tires up to more than 170mph. And way way beefed up suspension almost corvette style. Built for the weight of the gear and high speed. That is why they have the badge on the side that says Police interceptor......DUHHHH....and ebikes with NO ISURANCE. NO responsibility going those kind of speeds 50mph is dangerous. That is why they have laws. and now if you have a surron on a Bike path....they are taking them. (like river bottom one)
28mph is too slow to be riding on the road, you will get honked at or road rage from drivers when there are no bike lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic. 28mph restriction is stupid and will actually cause more danger to both riders and drivers. As more and more ebike riders are becoming popular. The speed is going to be an issue on the road when traffic wants to go 45mph and you are riding really slow at 28mph causing traffic jams and angry drivers.They will yell at you and tell you get the f*** off the road. Or worse swerve into you on purpose or cut you off.
It goes 28 in Eco and 45 in sport, its still a bit risky but at least you can stay with the speed limit in town
Battery tech has to improve, we get 30-40 miles at most with speeds like that.
Battery swap stations should be a thing in sci Fi fantasy land, though
Doesn't stop road bikes on the road going less then 28mph. If you wanted to go fast you can get electric mopeds that look like a honda grom. There's a lot of street legal options.
A sur ron can be made street legal then registered as a moped but you need to follow what the DMV says but even then you cannot go faster then 40-45mph
But I'd it is a r bike you should be in the bike lane!!!!! 28 mph is pretty fast.
Real
Pedal kit and 750w stickers problem solved. I doubt the cops would ever check how much Watts or amps you're pulling
They don't have to. You don't think they know what surrons talarias and stealth bombers are gonna look like in a year
na instead you could jus switch to eco mode before they inspect your bike and its limited to 30mph so you should get in less trouble
@@lilvegasbasc-se7en-0-duece67 Not really, there are crappy ones on amazon with a similar enough style. Unless a cop is an enthusiast with interest in these things, they won't know the difference.
FTP FTG corrupt tyrannical
Until you have accident and anything like that will be used against you.
in CA you can register it as a custom build, the DMV will give you a VIN then you take it to a trophy shop and have a vin plate made. it needs to be permanantly attach to the bike (rivets) take picture and send to the DMV.
talked to a traffic cop in my town and so happy that he said he would never stopped me and write me a ticket ( i have a mx3)
so if you never tampered with it (cut the brown cable) and it only did 28 its perfectly legal?
Well i got a question now.. Some "Ebikes" come with controls that have a street and off road mode. So you can set the street mode for 750W and off road to max even if the "Ebike it's self has 4k watts. So as such would it be legal on the street in "street mode" while limited to only 750w and kept under 28mph ?
That's what the street mode is for. Anything over 28mph has the catch phrase "offroad use only"
@@NatsumeKonnothat doesn’t wash, they view it on total motor power not what your currently running, so if you had a 8000w motor limited to 750w they’re still classing that as a 8000w bike. But like others said just be respectful and you should be fine
@NorthWalesOutdoors I've been commuting 4 years on ebikes that's over 750w, & never had an issue, but I drive responsible, don't wheelie, & go slow past pedestrians & on bike trails, plus have turn signals & anything else to help make it more safe
Whether its legal or not is not the issue, its whether or not the cop decides to enforce the law. A fedex truck parked in a red fire lane blatantly breaking the law probably wont get a ticket even tho hes clearly breaking the law, some laws get enforced and some dont, if you're not being stupid you probably wont get pulled over, but always remember, the smaller the town, the more attention you will receive from the popo. Ive been riding my surron on san diego streets in front of hundreds of cops and right by the downtown police station for 4 years now and 6000 miles and have never been bothered, i also dont ride foolishly tho. A bored cop in a town of 4000 people tho might want to investigate your new toy but i dont have any experience on that note. Be safe boys and girls. By the way, ebike laws are stupid, hows a cop going to know what your top speed is if you were doing 15mph? And hows he going to know what the wattage is and so forth, imagine if you couldn't drive your sports car on the road because its capable of breaking all speed limits. Just because its capable of going over 70mph doesn't mean you will. But if your ebike is capable of going over 28 its automatically illegal, wow. Is the cop going to hop on your bike and test the top speed to verify lol. So dumb. How about pull the rider over for being dumb, not the bike for being an inanimate object subject to the riders inputs, much like a ferrari. FAFO.
These requirments are sooooo dumb, I'm not sure to even get one anymore.
@@progamerzezefun7576 I got one to get me to and from work. Its a pretty useful investmnet. Ive already saved $700+ dollars from not paying car insurance or a car note + gas. But I do agree the laws are pretty fuckin retarded.
Just got a eride pro and live in Temecula, haven’t had any issues thankfully and want to do some riding down in SD. Thanks for the insight mane
do you ride in bike lane or on the street?
@@prodigybruv8177 depends on the traffic.
I have no problem registering a Surron or Talaria as a motorcyle, especially if you have one already, M endorsement, registered, inspected , etc. The problem is: Most of the dealers, including Cali, Utah, and the east coast are selling China imported bikes with no VIN number or some do and some don't. It may have a PIN # on the headtube and is functionally identical for many purposes, like insurance identity, and the dealer may even say it's good for everything, but it isn't a 17 digit VIN number that the DMV will allow for some states to register your eBike. You may get lucky and the clerk that day lets it be registered, but it is unlikely. But then some states will let you substitute an MCO (Manufactures Certificate of Origin) for the VIN.
So, you have a 1. Invoice,(Bill of Sale or receipt) 2. MCO 3. VIN and 4. Title Sellers (Chinese) can provide any mix of these (never all 4, usually 2). Your local Dealer can have any mix of these also (because they may not get an MCO or a VIN from their Chinese wholesaler). The local dealer may not have a Title for you because his state requires one of the certificates he didn't receive. Finally, each state has different rules for which of those 4 you need to register and plate your eBike. Not to mention whether you can get the Street legal lighting or not. Many of the overseas suppliers do, but only a few will have that factory lighting in your own country. (if you're handy you can get a lighting package .. if you have a major brand).
As buyers (given that you need or want it street legal) we are faced with these 4 items and there is a random mixture of them between 3 parties. The Chinese suppliers, your Dealer, and your DMV. That's the problem. If you buy direct from overseas yourself, for whatever reason, the same obstacles will apply. It seems to me out of the 4 items, not having a VIN is usually the hardest to overcome.
For instance, in my state, WV, I thought I had it pretty much together. I checked with the DMV and asked what they needed to register before I ordered. They said Receipt, Bike with VIN, and 'papers'. Great, I'm ordering overseas (to get the legal lights and horn), they said it had a VIN, and I'll have a Receipt when it arrives, plus I have the email confirmation and Invoice #. So I ordered. Just in case, I went back online on their chat and confirmed, "There's a VIN, right?", "Yes". "There's an Invoice with the bike, right", "Yes!" At this point I'm pretty much set, I thought. The DMV had said, "papers", a little vague, so I asked further, just in case. "There's a normal MCO, right?" (most overseas sellers have one). "Uh, no. Don't have MCO." Well, "There's a Title with it, of course, right", Uh, No!" Lucky, I said to him, I know I already ordered, but can you hold off shipping it for a few days so I can check again with the DMV? I'm just hearing now that I get a VIN on the bike and a Bill of sale when it arrives. That's it? Went early in the morning to the DMV and asked what exactly does "papers" mean? Now they said you need a VIN, receipt, and the Title. Mainly the Title. Uh oh. I tried everything. "Well, when I get my invoice, that's a bill of sale that has my name and the seller's on it and that's 'proof of purchase'. Then I will have the VIN on a newly manufactured item that is described in the invoice and can be entered into your system. Nope. "Need a Title". Well, "When I buy a car or a moto at a dealer, I just have a payment, I can call right there and get my insurance, they give me a Bill of Sale and some other papers. I come here with that and you register it and give me a paper tag until the plates come or give me the plates outright and a Title comes in the mail." "Nope, need a Title." I gave up. I went back home and asked for the guy from the seller who I talked to before and luckily he said, Yes I could cancel the order because it hadn't shipped. Whew. I'm going back to the DMV though and talk with a supervisor because I swear I've heard in other states there is a way, some way, to get a Title by applying with a certain DMV Title form and a Bill of sale and an MCO and get issued a Title for that vehicle. I'll find a seller that has an MCO and a VIN, or papers that can get you a Title if there isn't one already. So, for my state the Title was a must have. In another state it may be not having a stamped VIN on the frame that is the show stopper.
Is there a way to register a Surron or Talaria going through a process to be assigned a VIN number? You would have a bill of sale and it would be a new vehicle, so there must be a way. Or, If your state takes an MCO from the manufacturer and your Receipt, isn't that enough to apply for a Title (and then be accepted for state registration), but many of the Chinese sellers do not give an MCO and after the dealer in the US has taken a shipment of them without that MCO, you aren't getting one after that. States want a VIN or secondarily an MCO letter from the manufacturer, or in my case a Title, to register a motorcycle. Is there any way for these 50 mph E Bikes to get a state registration without a VIN or a Title? More of these will be sold every day. It would be nice to have the same procedure in every state.
posting my comment here to check on any updates. good question.
so i live in California so I'm going to state a similar issue i had in the past. I had a 1964 vw beetle and it only had one vin number on the whole car. Unfortunately it didn't pass my states vin verification. I then had to go to California highway patrol and request them to do the vin verification. They were able to add a vin number to my car so that there was two identifying spots with a vin number. Id assume that if you had a Chinese bike with no vin that you would be able to do a similar process. i also only had a bill of sale on the vehicle and it was out of state title transfer as well however this was also an actual vehicle. No idea if this helps or not but perhaps can give you an idea with the vin issue? Id call your local highway patrol and see if they have any ideas for you. however no vin and no title at all is definitely a challenge
I hope this helps.
Vin number AND EMISSIONS STICKER.....Required in CA to register anything on the street.
You should of ask the officer if 28mph is safe speed. It is basically too fast for the bike lanes and too slow for traffic lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic on the road. And if they want to ride on the bike lane then keep the speed down to 28mph. That would make a lot more sense. Who makes up these law? Also 750W motor law does not make sense either. It also depends on wheel size, tire size, hub driven, chain driven, dual motors, rider weight, bike weight, battery voltage, all plays a factor in power. You can have a 750watt motor go 28mph or 50mph by tuning changing controllers, sprockets, wheel sizes ect......
Cry
True, manufacturers switched to gear hubs just to get enough torque out of 750 watts, now we have more parts to fail, nylon gears to strip, no regen!
Not sure I'd want to go 40 on my bike regularly, though. The Chinese products we usually deal with tend to skimp on the things we'd need to go that fast, ie brakes, thru-axle, double crown forks, so weight is brought down. Direct drive needs bought 3000 watts to hold 40 mph, and needs to be rated for more so they don't overheat the windings with reasonable, real world use.
Its a carry over from Moped laws. It is not meet one restriction its fall under all restrictions; 50cc limit + 30mph limit + single speed (in my state). If your 50cc but two speed that classifies it as a motorcycle, same with just traveling over 30mph, makes it a motorcycle. These are relatively arbitrary, but a line had to be drawn somewhere and you already pointed out exactly why its about where it is: it doesn't allow for direct use of the roadways and keeps the vehicle relegated to the shoulders. IDK about California or many other places but these aren't deal breakers in my area it just changes what you need to ride it because it just becomes a motorcycle. To play devils advocate a little, anything capable of 30+ mph doesn't belong on sidewalks and then should obey traffic laws as well.... its in traffic, so making it comply (registered and licensed) with the law isn't illogical.
So your just stating your opinion not facts
If you want to keep up with 50 mph traffic then you should be registered, insured, and licensed like everybody else. It takes years of training and expertise for a road cyclist to go that fast, vs a 14 year old kid first time on an electric motorcycle with the flick of a switch. Just think about someone other than yourself for 30 seconds and you'll realize why these laws exist.
Btw where I live ebikes are limited to 20 mph and that serves me just fine, I stay in the bike lane and don't mix with traffic.
Sounds like he’s giving fair warning and alluding to not speeding in order to avoid unwanted attention. ( I have the Sting and ride routinely on the roads in San Diego County with 0 problems as of 11/30/22)
Any updates?
DMV won’t even register it, the vin is not appropriate or it may not even have a vin
You cannot register any type of vehicle without a factory VIN .
Not exactly true. It is possible to get a Vin for a custom homebuilt.
So what if you do register it and insure it, to keep the cops off your back, can you ride it?
Personal Electric Vehicles (PEVs) is another avenue where I live. You are allowed to operate any PEV on any road with a posted speed limit of 35 mph and under. This goes for scooters, golf carts, one wheels, electric skateboards and the like. I personally have never had an officer take a second look at me when I ride, though I keep it pretty chill. Fellow cyclists on the other hand can be terrible. I just expect it now.
Skateboards, onewheel, unicycle, scooters are not regulated. Only electric bycicles, moped, motorcycles are.
That's why cops don't bother you.
Never under any circumstances stop for the police!
Absolutely ridiculous to register/license with the government!
3 u-turns and the cops are out of the picture!
Don't listen to this guy if you fuck up and crash your ass is going to jail for felony evasion.
You cant claim this is an ebike. Ebike are 750watts at motor up yo 28mph.
This is an electric motorcycle and you need to go to school at least.
Registration is another thing and you can say you don't wanna pay the government that's fine.
@@NatsumeKonnodon't listen to this guy he's a fed
Please do not follow his advise, my nephew did not stop on his Surron and the police motorcycle officer caught him. Now he is faced with a misdemeanor with up to 1 year in jail. Now my brother has to retain a lawyer and we are waiting for the court date next month. Already facing I believe $1,500 for the 30 day impound of the Surron and also was charged for not having a motorcycle endorsement, no insurance (could not believe the fine is close to $900), and not registered for use on a public road. I could not believe the Surron was 5k, I told my brother just buy a used motorcycle for him since he is 16.
@@geneg6343 sorry to hear about the arrest. The good news is they have street legal electric dirt bikes. Heck if he loves electric they have zero motorcycles and kawasaki has there new electric motorcycles. But under no circumstances should anyone buy a sur ron and act as its an ebike without checking there local laws. Where im at they will not make it street legal with out a proper Vin, mirrors, lights, turn signals, reflectors. The sir ron was always make for offroad use and never ment to go on public streets.
@@geneg6343 motorcycle cops can go offroad and uphills?
3:08 So I was thinking about getting a dummy holster for the other side so I could use left and right as armrests. It's strangely comfortable standing with the arms at rest.
I wanted to know, which class or speed or wattage would I need to go as fast as legally possible without needing to register it, I asl because I'm legally blind and i need to commute a long way in as little time as I legally can.
@5:49 Why is it that they set the standards for what's legal? Shouldn't it be we the people who decide what's legal or not?
Go ahead and try that argument with a judge. Let us know how it works out.
Because the people are retarded 😂
The 28mph restriction, and especially the 750w restriction is absolutely assinine and causes far more danger to riders and drivers than riding these things unlocked. 750w is not even close to powerful enough to keep you at 28mph on an uphill, and will definitely struggle on most inclines. 28mph on public roadways is significantly too slow, as most traffic flows up to 40mph on city streets. In my opinion, there should be a category other than e-bike, moped, and motorcycle. There should be the e-moto class, or if necessary, these can be classified as a class 5 e-bike. Even class 4 offroad ebikes are still far too slow for road use. This would make it most safe for all parties involved.The restrictions should be no more powerful than 8kw motor, electronically limited to 40mph, and should not require licensure or insurance to ride. It should not be considered a motorcycle, and thus will not be highway legal, and may only be ridden on city streets. They should also not be eligible to ride on sidewalks or on bike paths, and only on surface roads. The only requirements to ride are for it to be registerd as a non-licensed motor vehicle with the DMV, and a number plate showing it is considerd an e-moto or class 5 ebike. Any electric motorcycle that is more powerful or faster than the limits stated should need to be fully insured and licensed as all others are. We need an in-between classification for these bikes. Registering it as a motorcycle in most places is impossible, as the VIN numbers are not considered registerable as a motorcycle, scooter, or moped. The law needs to catch up, as the limitations placed upon street legal e-bikes are unsafe and increase the danger to all parties involved where there are not bike lanes or bike paths.
Yea, that would just make too much sense.
If you want to ride faster than 28mph; buy a proper motorcycle and pay tax, registration, insurance for it.
If we're to have no license requirement for that class, at least make it so dui offenders who lost theirs can't get a bike registered in their name.
Am I wrong?
@@tdgdbs1 Well if you read my post then you'd understand that I was mainly saying that there should not be any wattage requirements because a 750w ebike is not strong enough to get up hills while maintaining 28mph.
@@polunu Right that would have to be a requirement to register it, just making sure you havent had your license taken away before. Regardless you really can't ride a bike drunk, balancing is almost impossible and you really wouldn't get more than a block without faceplanting so its not a huge issue.
can't own shit in cali
real shit
This is virtually every state in regards to ebikes and non classified(sur Ron's/Talia etc)
I own the loudest super bike probably in all of San Diego and I constantly see cops.. Only time I got pulled over was when I revved like an ass and got let go with a warning. On. top of that, I run with a stealth tail tidy that hides my number plate which the cop thought was hard to find.. once again.. didn't give a flying F... Just don't be a donkey and you'll be fine.
@@PetroHeadYeah I live in San diego too and i’m afraid of getting a Surron and getting impounded, obviously I wouldn’t be riding like an asshole but it just always in the back of my mind.
Anaheim PD don’t care about my Talaria (mx3). I’ve ridden it to work for awhile now going 45-47 mph and lane splitting. As long as you don’t do wheelies and follow traffic laws. Install a street legal kit consisting of turn signals and working brake lights. Mirrors etc. Cops could care less. The bike is quiet. Wear a helmet and gear. The DMV denies registration for these bikes. Some got through and got moped plates but majority of the time they’ll classify it as off road use only. Although some smaller Police Departments are starting to crack down on surrons and talarias because of teens or younger doing stunts and getting into accidents. Huntington Beach PD is one of them.
You got good info. Yes it's not street legal. But some states you can get this registered as a moped.
Currently your at the mercy of if the cop wants to get you or not.
@@MKBx1 are you talking about the Zero FX? I never seen a sur ron come with turn signals mirrors and what not. Most states you can register it as a moped. Not where I'm at anyways. I own a electric motorcycle that came from China. It's registered as a motorcycle has MC tags. I asked about sur ron and they wont let me register it as a moped in my state.
What would happen if a 14yr old rode an electric dirtbike but it wasn’t tampered with?
tbh i would get the pedal kit to be more safe and to drive slower whenever u see any law enforcement
must wear helmet max speed of 20mph. Right in the CA drivers handbook. look it up online. no pedals required. But you suppose to have 750 watt motor....so I would not ride it on a bike trail....Bike lane ok under 20mph but they are checking for surrons on bike trails now. still illegal but if your under 20mph they are probably not going to check. The pedal kit would help if your pedaling and over 16 you can go 28mph... any faster than that and they can take it from you.
Would like to see what they would say about electric scooters vs electric bikes. I'm not sure if there is a speed limit for e-scooter the same way there is for e-bikes.
So no videos of ebikes on your channel after this video…. Did you get rid of it?
So can I ride it under 28 mph and be fine ?
yes. Really you can just ride however you want, no one cares. No cop is gonna be looking for a high power e bikr
You can add the pedal kit and pedal it over 28 miles per hour. But can't go over 28 mph on battery power. Pure daft legislation and restrictive laws.
You have to have a motorcycle license for these if you are riding on the road, right?
And turning signals, light, horn and mirrors. Also, registration, insurance and motorcycle endorsement. So you might as well get a Honda Navi.
What if you’re riding below 28 mph and you added a pedal kit? Would they leave you alone then?
ye most likely
That's how they used to be shipped a class 3 ebike capped at 28mph. But get real why would you spend 4-5grand just to ride slow. Yes it's legal to use this offroad but most people are using it for streets.
@@NatsumeKonnoI mostly use mine on the streets. I still have my 750w legal ebike and I don’t feel safe because it’s slow. Now that I got the XXX, I began seeing surrons getting impounded that’s why I’m worried
@@frodo8722 you only need to worry if your in California. It's also 28mph for the motor. You can pedal beyond 28mph.
@@NatsumeKonno I am in California 😂
Very helpful with this information
Way to go bro. I bet he didn’t even know about the brown wire 😂
so if you add pedals and restircion to 28miles/h you can use it as bike?
Technically no. Class 3 is pedal assist to 28 mph. With the throttle, you'd need to drop the speed to 20mph for Class 2 status.
What are the rules, if you are riding a bike that can only go less than 28, but coasting down hill at over 30?
How can I get a license and get a license plate for it and the bike that I was looking at goes way over the watts so would that even be still illegal if I get it licensed
Can you ride it on the sidewalk or bike lane tho?
You can write it anywhere, but if you’re under age, some cops might get pissed off if your riding in the street
Can you put a on and off switch on the brown wire so you can just flip the switch for max power and off if you want it cap to the lowest setting?
The Talaria has ECO mode that you can turn on, which limits the bike to 31 mph
You can switch the brown wire but if a cop sees you doing 50 he's not gonna care. Unless you're expecting some kind of inspection where they ride your bike it's probably not worth the effort.
or you could like, let off the throttle and pay attention to your speed? I dont have a switch on my car preventing it from doing 135mph but I don't drive 135mph everywhere. It can do 135 fairly easily.
@@WitchyKatz My car can do 140
@@slayerficated congrats LOL
It looks like the cops are vouching for registration and insurance...bla bla sounds like more money they want from us for the city. How is registering this making any different. I get insurance, but registration is just giving money away to your local city...and cops love registrations because it pays their salaries (80k-100k per year BTW).
where are cops making 6 figures without at least Captains bars on their uniform?
@@WitchyKatz a lot of cities in LA...no joke, they advertise $80k a year plus 10k bonus by having a Bachelor's degree starting salary... Inglewood, Long Beach...areas.
California vehicle code 24016(d). A person shall not tamper with or modify an electric bicycle described in subdivision (a) of Section 312.5 so as to change the speed capability of the bicycle, unless he or she appropriately replaces the label indicating the classification required in subdivision (c) of Section 312.5.
So my question will be as long as you actually don’t cut the cord and it’s the kind with the pedals will I be fine and not fined an such ?
I just plan to not get caught, add a pedal kit and if I get stopped I’m just gonna say it’s a clunker and it only goes 20mph with a class 2 sticker.
I think the pedal kit is a good call. I’ll probably do that too.
I live in Michigan 20 miles or so from Detroit and people ride around on quads and actual dirtbikes and the cops don’t seem to mind. I have a class 3 bike that does 40mph and I had a state cop pull up behind me and I got nervous though lol. I just want to cover my bases though if I’m gonna drop 3k plus on a bike. I’ve been eying talarias for a min and haven’t pulled the trigger yet. I’ll probably wait till spring to get one though so it’s not sitting in the garage for months. It gets really cold here.
2:29 ween he says its illegal to tamper with them !? So no new handle bars or any mods ? And what about home made bike's ?
I can find crap of much info on the chp link you left.
You dont realise freedom is banned here
@@TheAnnoyingBoss >_
If u have a dm drivers license can u get tags and plate for this as if it’s a street bike?
CA state law requires emission sticker VIN number all lights turn signals DOT Approved License plate and M1 or M2 license and insurance. Ride with traffic. Not in a bike lane. not sure you can get that from a Surron. sorry. Check DMV website or google pretty clear.
if its no longer an e bike, is it then a motorcycle, or moped, and what about putting running lights and turn signals at it at that time???, thank you for the video , was exactly what I like to see, to answer what is legal and not legal, thank you!
So if our bikes do 28 in eco with the wire cut is it still allowed on the street?
I've been pulled over 3xs and haven't gotten a ticket yet. No pedal kit. I also respect the laws of the road and don't speed or wheelie on the roads
My sur ron lbx has over 6k miles my Talaria MX4 has under 1k miles 99% street
What did they say when they pulled you over? Did they say you were breaking any laws?
@@TylerTownsendTravel I told them it was a class 3 ebike. No worries
I believe the enforcement office needs to upgrade the rules to include the use of all ebikes. there so many coming out now and they need to grow with the biking situation! instead of blocking everything ! maybe a license plate registration with different riding codes depending on the power !
Very Educational just bought one and was worried mine only goes 26 MPH 😅
You have to unlock it I’m pretty sure.
look up about snipping the wire
@@seanlevi2618 some of the surrons you don’t have too
The wattage designation is silly. Just because you have more than 750W doesn't mean you're going to be tearing around on public roads at 50MPH. That's like saying if you have a 1000HP car you can't drive it on public roads because it has the potential to go 200MPH.
Can I ride a surron x260 on the road if I’m going under 28 mph?
the 750 watt rule is dumb because it all depends on the battery / controller.
if im 13 and have a pedal kit on this and only put it in eco so it goes lets just say 28 for the record, would anything happen, in my state it says i needa be 16 but i mean it has pedals and goes the legal speed
So if you have the controller limiting the motor to 750w and have you top speed no faster than 28mph. I'm gusting you have to have pedals on it also ? That's fairly easy to do especially if you have a but load of cargo on you. It would pass as a e-bike ?
LOL so you have to get impounded to get it registered street legal M2 license..
"Welp, looks like im pushing it home."
I'm on probation with no driver license and that's why I own a Super 73 and not a Eride Pro SS.
Getting my Ninja out of impound costed ALOT more than getting a car out.
I wanted the pro ss but git a Talaria xxx instead. Getting it on wednesday!
@@AToneForOurSins yoo hows the xxx?
California; tell your government what laws you want from them, and how you want those laws enforced. They have been called public servants for generations, and your generation doesn't seem to know why.
Could i ride the Talaria Sting R MX4 on the sidewalks ? but in eco mode ofc, and i'll soon get one because i always wanted a dirtbike like a gas one but i heard its illegal to drive on the roads or sidewalks and they pretty loud and its more maintenance u have to do, but the Talaria is the closest thing to a dirtbike, well the Surron Ultra Bee is but i perfer the Talaria Sting R over Surron Ultra Bee and Surron X and Talaria X
You might look like a purse-snatcher riding up on people like that. At least have something to say to the people you gotta pass, if you have to
If you want a dirt bike type motorcycle get an enduro. Can’t ride on the side walk. But you can go street-dirt and back home
@polunu ight bro.. i don't know about all that now, plus barely nobody uses the sidewalks where im at, its not like a populated area, so i just want something to have fun with and that looks cool. i don't think anybody would look at me and think im a "purse-snatcher" they would just compliment me and move on with their day
@allstangs the enduro looks cool and fun but its a gas bike so i don't think i could just casually ride it where i need to go in my area
Hey man if ur still looking for a ebike I recommend the pro ss I just got one and it's around the same price as the others and it's alot faster
every state has different rules and regulations. my town/county lets us im able to ride a quad, dirtbike, surron, talaria etc
Are they the same laws for San Diego
So can it be legal if you do register it, get plates and insurance?
yes
if it has a VIN (not just a serial number), if not, good luck.
can u ride in the bike lane
Crazy how this differs from state to state. Don't exceed posted speed limits, don't bob-and-weave between traffic, don't wheelie in traffic, USE HAND SIGNALS, qear a helmet and gear, and you should be good.
Be respectful, but also know your rights. Ride safe everybody 👍
This dude looked real nervous asking about the fines and punishments. He prolly rode it there lol
BS ...my e ride pro didnt come with a certificate of origin ...so the DMV said no registration
At least we can get it registered. Maybe?
This is exactly why I'm never leaving South Carolina
South Carolina allows it?
What part of Bako? I’m off of Renfro now Brimhall and EV’s are everywhere out here.
I’m near Hageman and Calloway 👍
I think the biggest issue with bikes like the surron is kids get thier hands on them and go flying down sidewalks, streets and trails way too fast and pulling wheelies. People walking dont want someone blowing by them at 30-40 mph. Its flat out dangerous. i ride a motorcycle and i want to get one of these to ride mountain bike trails but i have a feeling those people are going to be telling me that bikes not allowed and they will call the police. This really sucks!🎉
What kind of license? Car or Motorcycle?
Just wanna be clear its 28mph cut off by motor. You can pedal faster then 28mph on a class 3 ebike.
There is usually a way to over ride the 28mph limit on most class 3 ebikes too
@@WitchyKatz yea cutting a wire and app. But you know why there is a limit? Because that's called street legal mode. Why is it on a bike you can make it go 60mph and think it doesn't require a license but we have electric cars and everyone knows you need one for that.
I get that people feel that it's small and cops tend to not look because they thought your on an ebike.
I don't care anyways I'm glad Niu made a street legal sur ron clone. I can take it on the freeway no problems with police as it has a motorcycle plate.
4:50 e mountain bikes or pedal assist bikes have no throttle, only work up to 28 mph and cost 10,000$. They are not under the radar they are the radar they perfectly safe to ride.
Kids ride them to school around here in the bay area..
Thank God, I live in Miami and literally have spoken to multiple cops about this and every single one of them. I said you’re fine to just ride it on the roads but also in Miami they allow you to ride dirt bikes and other vehicles on the road, even though it is an enforceable law, but they’re not going to try to enforce it Due to the fact that one you can put many people in the city at danger too. It’s next to impossible to catch them in a city three they also don’t really care because very few people get hurt riding it so it’s about equivalent to the E bike crashes but that’s not to say all of Florida is like the suburb area since there’s not much to do cops will definitely mess with you. My advice is anyone who lives in a police state moved to a different place cause it’s 120 pound bike you hit a car. The only person that’s getting hurt. Is you an under federal law? Guess these are still considered E bikes they’re considered class four so even though California has its own laws that does not makethe Serron to lawyers and other Emoto not classified as E bikes.
As long as you’re at least pretending to pedal it then it’s just a fancy looking bicycle. Toot the horn, ring the bell, look like you’re exhausted.
The problem that I see with these things in my neighborhood is that they get up on the sidewalks they drive through. They don’t follow any road laws. They dip through traffic. They zip out of traffic. They go back on sidewalks parking lots zip out go right back in the traffic and not have any regards for any else so when they cause a crash and most of them don’t even have insurance so, it’s ridiculous
The problem is some dumb parents bought these bikes for their kids or some dumb rich kids bought these bikes and started doing wheelies on the sidwalk and cutting in/out of traffic while giving others the middle finger. So what happened is that these adults got pissed off and went to the mayors and elected officials and now got them to impound these bikes. Stupid kids messed it up for everyone.
They're legal in the trails.
probably not. trails allow class 3 at most and doesn't this follow the guidelines of any class. Class 3 is 28mph max with pedal assist only. no throttle.
No they are not man.
U mean to tell me this city is plagued with gangs and these cops wanna mess with my E-bike 😂.
Exactly 💯
i wouldnt even be telling police any of this lol
For real…
@@theshittybowman yeah pretty much
@@AmpedRides I agree amigo!
@@theshittybowman makes zero sense to put us all on blast like that lol
Bro, they sell it to you for use off-road only so you do know where you’re supposed to write it stop capping
I see kids riding these on the streets all the time at the same time Im required to have a license, registration and insurance to ride my motorcycle. I don't see how these are any different other than one is gas powered and one is electric .
the talaria motor is 6500 watts not 2400
The wattage ratings are based on rated nominal power. The 6500 you quoted is just the maximum it can pull for short bursts and would only be used from a stop or when trying to get up a massive hill
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe i know, but he said 2400 watts, its 2400 watt hours not watts in general (bc 60v x 40ah = 2400 watt hours)
With all those headaches..
Honda Navi or grom are better choice I think
if you ride like an @hole on a grom you will have the same problems. Its simple to not act like an @hole and not worry about it
Definately illegal in most states such as Cali. There's info on it on the DMV websites for those that wanna read up. U can ride it still but of course you'll run the risk of getting your bike impounded. Depends if the cop gonna cool about it.
Any info on making it street legal as an electric motorcycle?
of course not! they cant collect ticket and impound fees if were doing it all legal!
I don't think you could anyways it has no vin number. The Huck and the spark I believe those have vin numbers but they're cafe style bikes
You can only register this as a 50cc/moped. Meaning 40-45mph only and just a drivers license. Cannot be used as a motorcycle.
@@NatsumeKonno and how exactly do you let someone know that you're using it as a moped or a motorcycle at 40-45mph??
@@user-tl4ki4oq2r depends on the state. California's treating it as a moped at the time but laws changed as I wrote this. Now sur rons are considered motorcycles and California is rumored to buy tech from Europe that can dyno the bike. But we all know sur rons and talaria the base ones can do 40mph+ some companies are making street legal versions now. Example lights, mirrors, plate holders, turn signal, reflectors.
It's not illegal to a talaria but you must check your local laws if you wanna ride it on the road every state is different.
He called it a bicycle.
I hate catching buses and maintaining a car is just not in my budget so I’m hoping that getting a talaria will be more convenient and cost efficient it would really suck if I bought one and I get harassed by the police I already have a pedal e bike but want something that goes a lil faster or can handle a hill with out losing half your battery
what about pedals ????
It still low key doesn’t matter cuz the motor is over 750 watts, but it does help tho if you get pulled over, if your not speeding and respectful they might give you a pass and let you go with a warning
How tall is the talaria x3
28 mph is very out dated. People can physically pedal that fast or faster.
Bro just said "dont get caught "im dead
Yeah, I thought they would be cool to ride around untill I found out they were totally illegal to ride on the road here in New York!
Bro, yet all those quads and dirt bikes to mini-bikes all ride around in packs… NY doesn’t seem to care.
@@theshittybowman yeah they do! Here in Syracuse they started clamping down on that and they were arresting and impounding lots of bikes
@@stevenshepard2381 damn, that sucks Man!
Probably not street legal in most states and also not able to license due to no VIN# .
He's like ooops shouldn't of told you about the brown wire🤣🤣
So to sum it all up, run from the police if you see them looking at you, because otherwise youre going to lose your ebike and the impound will be just as much as the bike. Or dont buy one at all if you plan to use it in the city.
So you do need a driving license for this right ? 😃