Madrock Safeguard vs Grigri-Which did I decide to hunt with and why?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I compare the Madrock Safeguard to the Petzrl Grigri. Sound, ease of use and packabllity are some of the topics covered.
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Once again folks, I am not an instructor. Do not mimic what I'm doing. Climbing is inherently dangerous. If you decide to climb trees, or anything else, you are doing so at your own risk. Please seek professional advice!
Hey man. Love your videos. But I will just say here incase anyone is watching in 2024. The 8mm absolute matters. The GriGri is not rated for anything under 8.5, but is optimal for 9-10mm. That will dramatically help your cam catch, limit noise and most of all be safe. You also need to have both of the devices you are using backed up. Neither one is made to be used free handed for static work. Backing up with a prusik/cornell above the belay device is a must. The GriGri + is an amazing device for saddle hunting if used properly. Keep kicking a**.
Just got my madd rock today you helped me decide with your review, thanks for your hard work you did a great review
Thanks for the encouragement🙏🏿, I'm glad I could help you make your decision
I have both the Grigio+ and the Madrock Safeguard. Your review was spot on. I prefer the Grigio+ for the smoothness of lowering. I have to work more with the Safeguard to be smooth and there is more anxiety when using it that I will drop! Please lose the ice cream truck music in the background. You don’’t need it. You speak well and the music is a distraction! Hunt safely, my Friend!
I had a grigri from rock climbing before I'd ever heard of saddle hunting. Pretty cool to have one device to use for such different activities.
Thanks for the review I got my madrock in today this made me feel so much better
All good bro, be safe!
I’m a new rock climber and I’ve gotta say I love the Grigri. Ive been dipping my foot into lead rope soloing and it’s the only device I feel really confident in.
Right on, I have no clue about rock climbing to be honest with you. My main concern after safety is noise since I'm hunting.
I saw you'd posted something new and had to check it out. I ran a rope over a tree limb in my back yard and climbed up and down the rope for the first time just a couple of days ago using prusiks. This was my first climbing experience, so I never went more than a few feet high, but it was a farking awesome experience. I am an old geezer and haven't climbed a tree in a gazillion years, so I plan to take things slowly and safely. The first thing I found was that hauling my butt up a rope was hard, but it was like being a kid again. I haven't worked that hard or had that much fun in ages. Being old and out of shape sucks. That is going to take some work, but I'll be back at it as soon as the weather allows. I'd like to be sitting in a tree this fall during our hunting seasons. I hope you will keep posting about things you learn along the way. I'll be watching for sure!
Climbing trees will keep you young lol, especially if it brings you child like joy. Proverbs 23:7 As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he! Be blessed brother🙏🏾
Which prusik did you use? I’m planning on using the Michoacán
@@TheMichiganShow above the Madrock I tie a Schwabisch with 6mm Sterling TRC
@@PrivilegedBowhunter I have the same TRC, so far seems to bite well and tends easy
I tried something else that you might enjoy. I used a rope and pulley system (Rock Exotica Aztek pulley kit) to hoist myself up a tree. It was soooo easy and it was quiet. Using such a system requires some common sense safety measures, but it is a great way to get a short distance (perhaps bow hunting height) without a lot of effort. I was able to easily raise and lower myself and will almost certainly keep this little kit handy. You might like it too. In addition to getting you up the tree, it will be helpful in dressing your game if you need to hoist it for cleaning or even dragging your game up a hill.
my only concern would be getting it in the tree in the first place without making too much noise. how loud is this thing? looks like a lot of metal
@@jwlogan4006 It is actually pretty quiet, but with an Aztek kit (set of fours) you need lots of rope. I have hauled myself to about twenty feet with several different pulley configurations just to amuse myself, and found it is super-easy to do. I am an old man with some back problems, so hoisting myself is a safe alternative to climbing when my back is giving me problems.
For the record, 8mm oplux is out of spec for the MadRock. Also, MadRock specifically state you should not use any kind of a block below the device. If you want to use something like an autoblock for more peace of mind, it should go above the Safeguard.
Barring those points, which I only mention so that others are aware, your vids are great.
Thanks for supporting the channel bro🤙🏿
Guess what....my buddy gave me his Safeguard yesterday. I can’t wait to try it out this weekend
Dang bro, that's a good friend right there.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter very...I’ll be purchasing his calendars from now on since he’s a photographer
Good video. Love the content and the honest opinions. Keep it up
Appreciate it fam
Thanks! Just starting out with one sticking and selling my Grigio now for the mad rock.
Glad to help brother🤙🏿
Great video!! Thanks for doing the comparison.
My Mad Rock is in the mail! Great video my man. Being from the Great White North I can't say I m digging the Tigers hat lol! Go Jay's Go! Thank you for your service and hope you staying safe in these messed up times! One thing, is there a panic back up with the Mad Rock, or is all on you to let the handle go? Cheers bro
Tigers>Jay's lol jk. There is no panic stop unfortunately it's all on you to let go.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter 👍 ah oui merci!
I don't know man, I'm still not sold, I guess I'll have to try to see for myself. I borrow my buddys Safeguard and try it as well as a rope hitch for comparison. Theres only 7 months of practice before season starts here again....would love to come hunt some hogs there, my family in Hawaii keep asking me to visit.
I wasn’t sold but, after about 5 hunts with it, I'm all in! You have to get to Hawaii bro, there are goats, axis deer, and pigs.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter it would be easy to convince the family to go...I mean it is Hawaii and all lol
Solid review bro thank you for making it.
Yes sir🙌🏿
Great review man!!
Thank you🙏🏾
Thanks for the review. I've been using a rock exotica and want something that isn't so loud. I have seen another video where someone is using a prusik on the tag end in order to provide a backup but seems like it would also help in controlling the Descent. I think I'll be giving the madrock a shot next season. Thanks again.
thanks so much for doing this!
Dude your handle makes me smile
I'm sure it makes a few people frown too 🤣🤣🤣
That helped me with my decision. Thanks.
I use just an ATC now
I'm a rock climber and canyoneer myself and I've seen a lot videos recently from saddle hunters using several belay devices. I found that inherently dangerous for you all. Those products are specialized for belaying/lead climbing only. You should take a look at several other pieces of equipment such as Petzl Stop, Petzl I'D, Petzl Rig Pro. You could even use a Petzl Jumar, Croll or even a Pro Traxion. There are several other pieces of equipment specifically geared towards rope ascend and rope work that are way safer for you. Climb safely.
Thanks for providing some expertise. What about the functionality of these belay devices makes them unsafe for our purposes. I understand that they weren't built with our purpose in mind, but what do you invision failing in our rigs? Also, noise in the hunting woods is a major concern for us and the Madrock seems to be the most quiet. Can you speak to the amount of noise that the devices you recommended make?
@@PrivilegedBowhunter The devices described above would be overkill for this type of access IMO. Nothing wrong with the "Texas jugging" style of ascent used in your video. If folks wanted to save money, they could just buy some 6mm accessory cord (6 feet or so would do it) and learn to tie a prussic hitch or klemheist instead of a handled ascender and the foot tape. I use a Grigri and Jumar (handled ascender) for challenge course access and rope ascension in climbing rescues in the same fashion all the time and they work great!
To make ascending even easier with this setup you can clip another carabiner through the jumar and then the brake strand through that. Redirecting the brake strand like that allows you pull down instead of up as you stand in the foot loop, and it gives a you 3:1 theoretical mechanical advantage!
@spencerhuffman3189 what device would you recommend for descent only? Also I'd like to use the same rig to rappel with as my tether
Appreciate the breakdown . Looking into the birdie as well ...
I haven't looked at the birdie, but as long as it's quiet and safe you should be fine. I took a look at your videos, a ring of steps would be cool for a platform. I may be ordering some soon🤙🏿
Soumds good .
Just got my Madrock and 9mm canyon elite in mail this week. Been watching some of your vids now and when I found out you were military you got a subscriber. I did 21 years as a 12B then another 10 years contracting teaching on mobile training teams. What is your MOS?
Thanks brother, I'm an ET🤙🏿
I went with the grigri + because I’m new and it has a panic break on it. So if pull the handle too hard or let go of it either way it’s going to stop me.
Good video bro
Glad you liked it
Good video bud.
Thank you🙌🏿
On Point. Good video.
Thanks bud
You covered the main points why the Safeguard is superior.
And it's Eber-lee-stock
🤣🤣🤣 how did I know you would actually spell out the pronunciation.
I can't get a mad rock to save my life! I have 8mm oplux rope for one-sticking this year. How do you feel the grigri did with 8mm rope withich is smaller than manufacturers recommendations? I feel I may have to get a grigri until madrock ships
It did OK, I always back mine up with a schwabisch hitch though. It's kind of in the same class as the Madrock "lifeguard" IMO
Very nice video. Good job.
Thank you🤙🏿
GriGri+ Plus... still too new for my comfort level... like the anti panic feature
I can definitely understand that. A buddy of mine who has been climbing pretty much his entire life says that we shouldn't be repelling on belay devices anyways. He says that an atc with an autobloc is the way to go.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter You're using a backup prusik so it's fine
Very good video
Good video.
was this the gri gri 1. I think there is also a gri gri 2 out there?
grigri for now can't find the mad rock anywhere nice hat too btw
I've seen them briefly here and there grgri wasn't bad though
Sweet video man what kicks you wearin?
Thanks man, they're Lebron 17's
What grigri model is that
Was this the Grigri plus?
Okay, I have to comment on this because I use Grigris and have used them and this is just not realistic. This is NOT how it would be used in a real hunting situation and it's an unsafe use of the Grigri. It's NOT a hands-free device like he's showing here. It's supposed to be tied off and not have the tag end be free floating like this. If it is, once loaded, it applies a lot of pressure to the cam and upon unweighting, it slowly returns back to an open position as it has to push on the rope to open up. The other issue with this demonstration is his unrealistic movement. When you are hunting, you don't make subtle fast movements like that. If you do, the noise is irrelevant because a deer will see you from a mile away. The combination of these two things, not being tied off allowing the rope to float, quick fast movement up to release the tension in the line, and the fact that this looks to be the smallest diameter rope you are supposed to use in this device, and this noise is possible. In my setup, with a 9.8mm rope, I literally have to JUMP up in order to make a tiny, tiny faint audible sound. If I just make normal movements like coming up to the tree to release the tension, there are zero sounds whatsoever. This noise exists only in a hypothetical situation designed to create this noise. In a hunting situation where you're going to be using min a 9.8 mm rope, tying it off, and keeping your movements less subtle, there are absolutely zero noises that come from the Grigri. I have to literally try to make it make noise by jumping up. So is this a realistic representation? No it's not, because this is not how you're supposed to use the Grigri anyway, nor is this kind of motion the kind of motion one makes as a hunter. A saddle is meant to allow one to hunt stealthily. The other thing that we do to hunt stealthily is to keep our movements slow and minimal. If we are moving at will doing whatever without a care about how we go about moving, then we aren't in hunting mode and any noise made is irrelevant. Cheers!
Manual for the safeguard says not to install any knots on the brake side of it. States that this could cause the safeguard to break. So using an autoblock maybe a no no.
That's a great point, I've been thinking about switching to an ATC to repel on.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter yeah if you’re one that likes to have a back the Safeguard is not a good choice. I guess you’re have faith in it to never fail.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter yeah if you’re one that likes to have a back the Safeguard is not a good choice. I guess you have faith in it to never fail.
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Yessir 🤞🏿
You have it on wrong that's why
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My Madrock Safeguard wobbles this much. How about yours?
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Neither. TAZ luv2
Or just a hitch climber
Was this the Grigri plus?