I know it’s an old video. BUT, GREAT comparison! I am a die hard Seiko fanboy, and after watching this, I’m adding an Orient Mako to my collection. Thanks!!
You might want to buy a de-magnetizer from Amazon for 20 bucks because, as with most automatics, they get magnetized over time and start to run fast. To check it run it over a compass, if the needle starts moving, your timepiece needs to be demagnetized. My Mako2 needs this done twice a year.
I have both, the skx in black and the mako2 in blue (for a Pepsi, I went with the turtle) they are such good watches that it comes down to which color I'm into that day.
As always with watches, it’s never about which ckecks more items in a list. If you like the SKX, then it doesn’t matter, if you likre the Mako, again, the rest doesn’t matter. I replaced a Hamilton Khaki Field with a Seiko SNZG17. I like the SNZG more, no matter how much the Hamilton checks in a versus list
Agree. It's about whether the watch speaks to you. I own watches that are exquisitely made with in-house movements and perfect hand finished movt/cases/bracelets that leaves me cold, I have watches that cost 1/100th of that watch that I love to wear and speaks to me greatly although it loses on every invidual quality comparison....it's about the overall feel..
I have a few SKXs. I also have a Mako USA II, which has sapphire crystal, solid endlinks, better lume, and different dial then the regular Mako II. The SKX’s biggest flaw is it’s lack of Hacking and handwinding, and there’re are also the chapter ring and bezel alignment issues. The Mako’s crown is small and the crown guards are large, which makes it a little difficult to use. Great review.
Great video, Oleg. I like your attention to detail and breaking everything down. I just got my MakoII a few months ago but I was seriously considering the SKX. I think one of your videos helped me lean toward the former of the two. Not having owned an SKX, my opinion might not mean much, but I think the Mako is a better "desk diver". It's more versatile- like you and others have mentioned, you can wear it in the office, semi-formal events, swimming, etc. The SKX is a better true diver, a tool watch. Since I don't dive, I'm glad I went with the Mako. Cheers!
Thank you Jeff! Mako is definitely more versatile. I'm glad you decided to get Orient. It's a great watch and it's one of my favourites in the collection. All the best, Oleg.
Mako wins the most important stuff. Screw down crown. Newer and better movement (7S26 in SKX is in 50$ watches) that are hackable, cheaper. Mako>SKX And in my own opinion it's much better looking. And then you have the Ray, looks a little bit more like the SKX and have better lume than the Mako. Sure the Seiko is surely a more recognisable brand (it should have got an 10 and Orient 7) but who cares if you're not a snob? I like both brands. But the Mako or Ray is just better than SKX.
The SKX009 has a screw down crown, actually I prefer a non screw down crown, less fuss to hand wind and set time although limited to 100m water resistance.
I think the orient wins hands down on everything except the brand(the name and logo are horrible!) and a coolness. The ray looks better than the mako but I'd still get the skx or just pay a bit more and get the samurai/turtle/sumo
Sloghen I own the ray ii. It looks and feels very cheap. Plus it has some senseless and major design flaws, like the crown, which is probably the worst screw down crown of any dive watch out there. Its bezel sucks, it runs 20 secs a day fast, and it's basically a piece of junk. Also, hacking/hand winding are useless features on a dive watch. Orient watches are pretty fragile too. Read 1-3 star reviews. They're pretty terrible. And, to top it off, orient watches are disposable junk. Once they're discontinued, servicing and parts will no longer be available which means that the watches will be trash once they break at that point.
Excellent review Oleg! These are the exact two watches I was on the fence about. I did go with the SKX009 K1. It's a fantastic watch! I really don't mind the "Seiko Shake" to get it up and running, quick to set and out the door! I do see the Mako 2 in my future though! Regards Robert
As a Seiko SKX007 owner i found this battle a very good one. Well done. They are both amazing watches and you cannot go wrong with any one of these . Can't wait for the next video. Have a nice day.
A fine comparison Oleg nicely done. Hard to decide between the two,but yes seiko is more skx is more recognisable in pop culture but the mako is more bang for buck.
I find myself rewatching some of your videos 0.0 oh and when I was watching an NFL game, one of the coaches on the sideline was wearing a skx009 B) both have great cool factor
@@24hourstime It's just such a recognizable watch. The pepsi bezel 1/3 red 2/3 blue. The bezel ring having the distinct grip. Classic case shape. Really sharp pieces. I love divers
Very interesting comparison and perspective but in my opinion Seiko skx all day long. As far as Orient goes their best watches are in the Mforce line . I own an Mforce Bravo one of the best watches in my collection 👍🏻
If the seiko was $135 like the Orient is right now on Amazon, I'd go with the skx. I love the skx for its sort of unique design and tried and true movement. I really love how the Mako can truly be worn for any sort of occasion. You can wear it at the beach, sunday BBQ, office, wedding, funeral I really can't think of where the black mako ii would be out of place (maybe on a backpacking trip where every ounce matters you'd opt for an extremely light weight casio or something). Thanks for the great video Oleg. I just won a sort of prize for 'anything you want' on amazon and I think I'll ask for the Mako ii because it is within the price range for the prize
I couldn't have done a better comparison myself! However, I believe that the Orient has a 22mm bracelet that actually tapers down to 20mm. However, I gave your video 10 points!
A year and the months after your video comparison is still valid but value has changed. The discontinued SKX models are seldom found below $300 but the Ray ii and Mako ii models are usually between $120 and $140. You could buy both a Ray ii and a Mako ii with enough left over to buy a six-pack of NATO straps. For the price of an SKX one could get a Komasu with sapphire. Also quite nice.
Great comparison for sure, have owned both at one point in time I currently have the ray raven ii pvd which sadly doesn't get enough wear time, had an skx for a couple years then got the padi turtle and stopped wearing so sold it contemplating picking another up. These are two entry level pieces most people will consider in their first automatic diver
Will sell my Certina DS Action automatic to fund a second SKX007J. Because it is an icon on its own, regardless of its heritage, and is the perfect size for me for a daily wearer. I will not even swap the bracelet, as Seiko nailed it with the "rattly" bracelet. Lightweight, wears cool in the summer, looks great. Only alteration I will do is have the Hardlex swapped for a flat sapphire. That's it. "Obsolete movement"? Yeah. It is rugged, and with some careful regulation holds time perfectly well. And the day the watch dies a new or similar movement is readily available, and costs like a simple night out.
Nice duel! Like your comment about being polite and respectful in the comments section. I think I would have been rude about one of these if you hadn’t have said that, but let’s just say: the Mako ii, especially it’s aesthetic, would be my choice 😉
Two really fine watches, anyone should be happy with either one. That said, I would have used the Ray in comparison instead of the Mako. The lume is better and while the bezel is just as tight (a negative), I think the printing on it is more attractive. I also didn't have a lineup discrepancy, but do know that it's been a problem for some. You are totally right about the coolness factor!
I think there are many people who have or had an ORIENT watch for MANY YEARS. So I don't think there are any issues regarding the duration of the movement through the years. We are not talking about Chinese brands, it is ORIENT.
Nice comparison. After 20 years of diving, I am not sure a luted seconds hand is all that necessary. We never dive at night without at least one light, so making sure the watch is running is always possible without lime. Also, the seconds hand passes over the hours and minutes hands every minute, showing the watch is still working. Just my two cents! Keep up the great videos!
Thank you Jeffrey! Appreciate your input as an experienced diver. I'm not a diver myself so it's great to hear thoughts of someone who is. All the best, Oleg.
I have Seiko skx oo9k and Orient Kano. The Seiko skx had 3 minutes missing in 1 week. But my Orient kanno is good running. Compare the time of my phone. .
I bought the mako 2 for a few reasons, The first is the much newer and better movement ( F6922 ) that is Hackable and just as accurate as the SKX. Second is the fact that the Mako has a screw down crown, and the SKX only has a push-pull crown. With the Mako 2 you get a 1,000 dollar watch for 175 dollars, with the Seiko you get a 350 dollar watch for 350 dollars. Seems like a no-brainer to me, But I have never bought a product just because of name branding, I buy after research to find the best in class and value versus quality. I believe both of these watches suit a purpose, so for me, it's quality of the movement, A screw down crown, a lume that I can still see clearly at 5am because of its brightness, a 200m water resist rating, and durability as a watch that hasn't left my wrist in over 4 years and is still keeping excellent time. The only thing I could say to improve this fine Japanese automatic watch is to put a sapphire crystal on it, instead of a mineral one. But I am not yet willing to pay over 200 dollars more for the Kamasu Orient, which is the same watch as the Mako2/Ray2 but has a sapphire crystal. Hopefully the price on the Kamasu will drop, so I can buy one.
I’m getting the SKX first, then the mako, but neither before I get Pantor Nautilus. I’ve was always going for the SKX, but I now want the orient also. Dang the First World problems!
Well done mate, my first automatic watch is my SKX, and I've been thinking about getting a Mako as well. I don't know how much time it would see on my wrist, and that is the biggest factor for not getting it to this point. Thanks for the review
SKX is a great first automatic watch to get. If you're not sure about the purchase don't "force it". There are so many other watches that will make you excited to wear them. All the best, Oleg.
Hi Oleg & Bond! Good comparison & interesting scores. No doubt the SKX has a lot of fans & Seiko overall is a very popular with a loyal following. Your point about the lollipop on the Seiko for diving makes sense, though I'd love to see stats on how many SKX owners actually dive. I scored the Orient a point higher overall, but would give Seiko the win if they just replaced the 7s26 mvt with a 4r36.
Thank you my friend. Haven't heard from you in a while. It could have gone either way in this comparison. You're right about the fact the 99.9% of SKX owners never actually dive (including me). All the best, Oleg.
I had 007 j1 years ago (the biggest mistake ever). I got Mako2 few weeks ago which I already did the boxing ( the follow up reivew is coming and it is not good for Mako2). Mako2 is better value for money cause of hacking and handwinding but it doesn't give me the feeling that I got when wearing 007. 007 for me it is more solid, better built and it has history. Of course this is just my opinion and I do respect people that like Mako2 more. The world would be such a boring place if everyone agrees on everything ! Thank you my friend for the great review as usual 👍
Thank you! You regret selling your SKX? You nailed it about the feeling that the watch gives you. I think I prefer the Seiko because it makes me feel better. That's why I reach for it more than the Orient. I will check out your unboxing. All the best, Oleg.
@@24hourstime I'm about to by this SKX009 from this guy on ebay as we speak. He has had it for 2 months and in mint condition...will come with 3 nato straps and 1 rubber strap. No warranty though so I'm quite sure about it...160 pounds 🤔
What good is nostalgia, history, or brand recognition if the model just doesn't perform as well as the competition? After all, it is a tool and I think the Mako better serves my needs.
Hey Oleg and Bond! For me Orient wins by a hairline. I like the flexibility of the Mako 2, you can wear it at work, take it for a dive and wear it to semi-formal occasions. Nothing wrong with the solid and reliable SKX though. I like them both! Great episode 👍
I would definitely go for the Orient Ray 2 over the Mako 2. Having owned both, I found the lume much better on the Ray. Also I felt it looked better, however that's personal preference.
Seiko lost my business some years ago over quality control. The SKX is just an obsolete watch. Not only is the Orient a much better buy, but there are also many watches in the same category that have more value for the money.
I have a Seiko5, and I like it a lot. It's my daily. But the fact that I can't use it in my watch winder is a real hassle. The movement, while reliable and accurate enough, is frustratingly limited. (It's also prone to becoming magnetized, which speeds up the movement.) If kept demagnetized and well regulated, I only have to adjust it by a minute or two a week. I like the watch quite a bit, but I'm looking into an Orient for my next purchase. (Bambino variant, more than likely...)
Another great video Oleg. Actually just picked up a 1977 Seiko “Turtle”. Just to add to the Seiko collection haha. So I think my heart will always be with Seiko no matter what.
24Hours At A Time I love it man. I never really cared for the design until I found this one and started wearing it. It fits so perfectly and just has a coolness about it. Something about Seikos!
No f..ing way! That's incredible. I'm even more jealous but very happy for you. It's great that a "watch guy" bought it, instead of someone who wouldn't appreciate the watch for what it is.
The Mako II can be worn in a larger range of situations. Meaning you can dress it up or down. Put a plain black rubber strap on the Mako II and it looks like a boat tool watch. The bracelet and you can wear out to an elegant dinner. A black leather strap and it looks good in the office meeting room. Not sure you could wear the Seiko out to an elegant dinner (not as versatile). The Seiko does win hands down a true seawater diver.
Hey Oleg and Bond, greetings from the sunny island of Menorca. Great video as always. Prob would have to agree with most of your scores, although I do think maybe a couple a of scores would have been closer with the Ray 2. But understand it's all subjective really. My money would be on the Orient, everyday. There is no doubting the SKX is an iconic watch. I just wish Seiko would stop resting on its laurels and update a few easily updatable aspects and it would be truly amazing. Great review as always, look forward to the next video mate ⌚
I agree, just in the lume the Ray is as good as the skx, so there are the 2 points that orient needed to win. I have a Ray and a mako and I love them both, but the lume is way better on the Ray.
Close call Oleg , I'm with the Seiko though and hoping one is delivered into my Christmas Stocking this year. I'm already seeing it with an Uncle Seiko razor wire bracelet :-)
Hello Oleg :) Nice comparison ;) These watches looks great for me :) I think a bracelet on Orient is more user friendly :) one of the best of quality from Japan - amazing :) OFF TOP: Parnis Pa 6007 survived hard swimming on swimmingpool ;) I think, the movement is slowing about 3 sec per day :) Bad sides of this watch are nothing with this :D
Thank you Jaroslaw! Wow -3sec/day is amazing accuracy. And it survived the swimming pool test. Seems like you got yourself a great watch. All the best, Oleg.
I love both of these watches, but the Mako 2 definitely won if this comparison was done today. Seiko easily costs 170+ more and I cant find a single listing for 200, meanwhile Mako 2 is easy to find for 130 dollars in any color you would like.
That definitely was a great battle of 2 really great watches, agree with you. No surprise I am a bigger fan of the seiko as I prefer it’s design over the Maco ones. I might sound silly but I don’t like the branding from Orient either the clear Seiko lining just is better to look at from my point of view. Very good battle Oleg, cheers and greetings, Konstantin 👍🏻🙏🏻
Agree with everything but the design part. Seiko wins that chapter by a good 2 points. The design of SKX is near perfection. There's 2 areas where SKX knocked it out of the park. ISO rating and design.
I have never owned an Orient, but can't get past the fact that the Mako just doesn't look as cool as the SKX. What's the quality like? I have reviewed the skx011 for my channel and think it's an awesome watch for the price.
I have the mako 2 USA version and love it. I wear it more than my no date submariner. This mako feels extremely well built, yes the price is $350 but worth every penny. I prefer the bezel to be harder to move, the sub is constantly being moved on accident. Wore an skx for 2 weeks and sold it. Less features and feels cheaper. I’m not a professional diver so iso certifications mean nothing to me. Next shitter watch I’ll get will be a orient ray 2 but I’ll get rid of the hideous bracelet. Just my opinion
That's a big endorsement to chose your Orient Mako 2 USA version over the Submariner. I never had any experience with USA version of Mako but I've heard nothing but great things about it. All the best, Oleg.
24Hours At A Time don’t get me wrong I love the sub but feel that if I bang it on something at work too hard it’s going to cost the price of 4 makos to fix. My father gave me his 79’ GMT master as a birthday present, I sent it to factory Rolex to get service witch had never done before and new bracelet cost $8,830 for full over haul. Love Rolex long history but geez cmon they are way overpriced for the quality. Thanks for the reply and the long msg I made you read but I love watches haha
Jeramithehuman If money were no issue, would you still wear the mako ii USA over the sub? Also, try the strapcode bracelet on the ray ii. More substantial than the stock bracelet
really interesting comparative! You know what? Maybe it could be a great idea to elaborate some sort of objective voting scale valid for each one of the watches that you reviewed and will review. With this scale you could form an ordered list of your preferred watches that will be updated at the end of every review video! Just an idea ;)
Thank you my friend. That's a good idea. I will think about how/if I can incorporate it into my reviews. But I don't know if that's possible. All the best, Oleg.
Also, the SKX seems to age better than the Mako 2. I've seen a beaten up SKX with the faded bezel & the yellowish patina on the indices. It looks gorgeous and firm like an old soldier. The Mako, on the other hand, with the beaten bezel seems not right & ugly. Guess part of the explanation is because the Mako is the dressier watch here.
The SKX is a true classic with proven track record, the Orient is not even close, regardless of silly comparison scores. The SKX are their own design, not an homage looking watch, the Orient is an un-referred homage to the Rolex submariner, no matter what people say.....Take a good hard look, it isn't original. Enough said.
Dude you are delusional or what.. The skx is not even in the same league as the orient, it's overpriced watch with shitty movement shitty bracelet and clasp and shitty design. The price of the skx should not be more than 100$. And no, the mako isn't sub homage.
I own both. The Seiko made in Japan, bracelet feels terrible also the bezel feel so cheap. My orient is the Pepsi version, feels like an expensive really solid made watch. I love the design of either seiko more classic and orient more actual.
why are these watches so cheap on amazon and ebay? i am aiming to buy mako II, in my country (Poland) mako costs atleast 200-250$, when on sites you recomend you have to pay around 130$, i wish i could know why there is such a difference
Agree, if you're not bothered by image get the mako (or a quartz) but for me the orient logo and even their name is just pants. Sounds and looks like something that you'd win at the seaside in a £1 machine
FatSamEIE ha ha, I take it that 'just pants' is a negative thing. Well after having a black Ray on my wrist for three years and looking at that gourgeus applied logo and indeces all this time I now see Orient as a higher, more niche brand than Seiko. It lifts my mood every time I look at it.
Orient is owned by Seiko to start with. Orient it seems is a better value, that being said the dessign of the skx is the most uninspired design l have ever seen, but people love them. Who am l to judge. To me buying a watch at that price point is a waste of money. Save up and buy something with class.
For me orient would get a 4 on brand relevance and a 6 on coolness. I own the mako and am impressed by it but the brand, logo and coolness is not good for me
Both are seikos the sk is a rip off but if you love em you will never be able to see them for what they are .Ps Seiko price this watch at $250 here in IJK cos they think we re mugs
My Mako has hacking, hand-winding and the chapter ring is aligned perfectly. For $150, you're not going to get sapphire glass or the best bracelet. I mostly wear my watches on leather and/or nato straps anyways, so that's not a big deal for me. Also, Orient is owned by Seiko but that doesn't mean much. VW owns Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lambo, Porsche and more...are you going to tell me all of those companies and cars are the same? Business conglomerates are pretty common in most sectors.
The SKX009 also 007 do not need to be updated with a newer, Hackable, winding movement. They are now becoming classics along with the old Rolex submariner. All of the old previous classics get praised for what they've achieved & their quality of the movement even if they're outdated! The SKX has nothing more to prove, they've rubbed shoulders with the most luxurious watches in the world & held their own whilst costing 30 times less; not many watches in this price range has managed this, not even the Orient! I like the Orients but they have 20+ years to prove their worth against the already proven SKX. Hackables may break within 10 years of regular use....Who knows?!? Seiko now make several hackables, Sumo, Turtle, Seiko 5 etc, why should they need to update an icon? The 7s26 movement needs to be be in the hall of fame. The "Seiko Shuffle" worked perfectly, no gimmick, just worked perfectly. Sorry for going on, but I get fed up with the silly comparisons with the yet unproven hackables & people talking stupidness about the SKX needs updating with these newer movements....No they don't! They deserve their place in horology history as they are. I wouldn't change a 60s Rolex or Omega classic movement, even though todays movements have gotten supposedly better! The SKXs are perfect the way they are.
You might not change an old Rolex but Rolex did as they realised they were in danger of being left behind with hollow end links and rattily bracelets. Rolex upped their game(and their prices). Historical watches have their places in history but can still be updated and improved. Personally I wish they'd improve quality control rather than the movement though.
Why compar under 200$ it's not the orignal price of the Orient....And 8 Design seiko ?? 6 no more...And total is idiot Orient win !!! And Brand relevance for Seiko it's Over too many problems with her movments actual time !!!!! And Coolness ........Seiko .LOL old design SO Orient win win win and win again anywhere every where MOUHAHAHAHAHAH But i love Seiko too you know !
I know it’s an old video. BUT, GREAT comparison! I am a die hard Seiko fanboy, and after watching this, I’m adding an Orient Mako to my collection. Thanks!!
I love my Mako 2. It’s Arabic numerals and thin bezel give it its own style and it doesn’t look like it’s another Submariner homage or replica.
Just picked up a second hand (lol) mako 2 pepsi. It is my first automatic watch, and i am really enjoying it already.
Beauty bezel combination!
You might want to buy a de-magnetizer from Amazon for 20 bucks because, as with most automatics, they get magnetized over time and start to run fast. To check it run it over a compass, if the needle starts moving, your timepiece needs to be demagnetized. My Mako2 needs this done twice a year.
@@ironKurgan well, here we are 3 years later. Still runs consistently at around +7spd. No demagnetizing done yet.
Extremely fair and accurate comparison - Love the “coolness” category too!😎
Thanks Willard!
Bezel action on the Orient is as it shoild be. The bezel may never turn accidentally and that's what happens on my SKX and never on my Mako...
I just received my Orient Ray 2 (blue), and I could not have been happier
I have both, the skx in black and the mako2 in blue (for a Pepsi, I went with the turtle) they are such good watches that it comes down to which color I'm into that day.
I own the Ray 2 and my son has the Seiko, the hacking of the Orient movement is the deal breaker for me.
As always with watches, it’s never about which ckecks more items in a list. If you like the SKX, then it doesn’t matter, if you likre the Mako, again, the rest doesn’t matter. I replaced a Hamilton Khaki Field with a Seiko SNZG17. I like the SNZG more, no matter how much the Hamilton checks in a versus list
Agree. It's about whether the watch speaks to you. I own watches that are exquisitely made with in-house movements and perfect hand finished movt/cases/bracelets that leaves me cold, I have watches that cost 1/100th of that watch that I love to wear and speaks to me greatly although it loses on every invidual quality comparison....it's about the overall feel..
I have a few SKXs. I also have a Mako USA II, which has sapphire crystal, solid endlinks, better lume, and different dial then the regular Mako II.
The SKX’s biggest flaw is it’s lack of Hacking and handwinding, and there’re are also the chapter ring and bezel alignment issues.
The Mako’s crown is small and the crown guards are large, which makes it a little difficult to use.
Great review.
surfitli I just hate how hard it is to turn the mako bezel
Thank you my friend!
Great video, Oleg. I like your attention to detail and breaking everything down. I just got my MakoII a few months ago but I was seriously considering the SKX. I think one of your videos helped me lean toward the former of the two.
Not having owned an SKX, my opinion might not mean much, but I think the Mako is a better "desk diver". It's more versatile- like you and others have mentioned, you can wear it in the office, semi-formal events, swimming, etc. The SKX is a better true diver, a tool watch. Since I don't dive, I'm glad I went with the Mako. Cheers!
Thank you Jeff! Mako is definitely more versatile. I'm glad you decided to get Orient. It's a great watch and it's one of my favourites in the collection. All the best, Oleg.
Mako wins the most important stuff. Screw down crown. Newer and better movement (7S26 in SKX is in 50$ watches) that are hackable, cheaper. Mako>SKX
And in my own opinion it's much better looking.
And then you have the Ray, looks a little bit more like the SKX and have better lume than the Mako.
Sure the Seiko is surely a more recognisable brand (it should have got an 10 and Orient 7) but who cares if you're not a snob?
I like both brands. But the Mako or Ray is just better than SKX.
The SKX009 has a screw down crown, actually I prefer a non screw down crown, less fuss to hand wind and set time although limited to 100m water resistance.
I think the orient wins hands down on everything except the brand(the name and logo are horrible!) and a coolness.
The ray looks better than the mako but I'd still get the skx or just pay a bit more and get the samurai/turtle/sumo
Sloghen I own the ray ii. It looks and feels very cheap. Plus it has some senseless and major design flaws, like the crown, which is probably the worst screw down crown of any dive watch out there. Its bezel sucks, it runs 20 secs a day fast, and it's basically a piece of junk. Also, hacking/hand winding are useless features on a dive watch. Orient watches are pretty fragile too. Read 1-3 star reviews. They're pretty terrible. And, to top it off, orient watches are disposable junk. Once they're discontinued, servicing and parts will no longer be available which means that the watches will be trash once they break at that point.
@@Ferien7 My Mako II runs great. I disagree with most of your points even though I respect them
@@FatSamEIE horrible logo tarde Mark why .?
Between the two, I prefer the Mako 2. Good video.
Thank you Brian!
Excellent review Oleg! These are the exact two watches I was on the fence about. I did go with the SKX009 K1. It's a fantastic watch! I really don't mind the "Seiko Shake" to get it up and running, quick to set and out the door! I do see the Mako 2 in my future though! Regards Robert
Thank you Robert. SKX is a classic. I'm glad you chose it! All the best, Oleg.
As a Seiko SKX007 owner i found this battle a very good one. Well done. They are both amazing watches and you cannot go wrong with any one of these . Can't wait for the next video. Have a nice day.
Thank you my friend!
A fine comparison Oleg nicely done. Hard to decide between the two,but yes seiko is more skx is more recognisable in pop culture but the mako is more bang for buck.
Thank you my friend. This one was tough to do
I find myself rewatching some of your videos 0.0 oh and when I was watching an NFL game, one of the coaches on the sideline was wearing a skx009 B) both have great cool factor
You know you're a true "watch guy" when you can tell who's wearing what watch lol
@@24hourstime It's just such a recognizable watch. The pepsi bezel 1/3 red 2/3 blue. The bezel ring having the distinct grip. Classic case shape. Really sharp pieces. I love divers
Very interesting comparison and perspective but in my opinion Seiko skx all day long. As far as Orient goes their best watches are in the Mforce line . I own an Mforce Bravo one of the best watches in my collection 👍🏻
I have the Mako 2. Great watch. Mine is running 8.5 seconds fast per day. I like the hackable second hand.
Amazing accuracy for $120-$150 automatic.
Good review as usual oleg but i wish occasionally bond would do a wristwatch check. Keep up the great work. Alsheff
Thank you Alsheff. I'll ask if he want's to do it. All the best Oleg and Bond.
Bonds snorting keeps me coming back 💪😂😂😂
If the seiko was $135 like the Orient is right now on Amazon, I'd go with the skx. I love the skx for its sort of unique design and tried and true movement. I really love how the Mako can truly be worn for any sort of occasion. You can wear it at the beach, sunday BBQ, office, wedding, funeral I really can't think of where the black mako ii would be out of place (maybe on a backpacking trip where every ounce matters you'd opt for an extremely light weight casio or something). Thanks for the great video Oleg. I just won a sort of prize for 'anything you want' on amazon and I think I'll ask for the Mako ii because it is within the price range for the prize
Thank you my friend. Let me know if you do end up picking up Mako 2 and how you like it:)
I like the SKX however my Ray Raven 2 rules.
Great video
Thanks Steve!
I couldn't have done a better comparison myself! However, I believe that the Orient has a 22mm bracelet that actually tapers down to 20mm. However, I gave your video 10 points!
A year and the months after your video comparison is still valid but value has changed. The discontinued SKX models are seldom found below $300 but the Ray ii and Mako ii models are usually between $120 and $140. You could buy both a Ray ii and a Mako ii with enough left over to buy a six-pack of NATO straps. For the price of an SKX one could get a Komasu with sapphire. Also quite nice.
Great comparison for sure, have owned both at one point in time I currently have the ray raven ii pvd which sadly doesn't get enough wear time, had an skx for a couple years then got the padi turtle and stopped wearing so sold it contemplating picking another up. These are two entry level pieces most people will consider in their first automatic diver
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Thanks Ali! Welcome to our small community!
Will sell my Certina DS Action automatic to fund a second SKX007J. Because it is an icon on its own, regardless of its heritage, and is the perfect size for me for a daily wearer. I will not even swap the bracelet, as Seiko nailed it with the "rattly" bracelet. Lightweight, wears cool in the summer, looks great.
Only alteration I will do is have the Hardlex swapped for a flat sapphire. That's it.
"Obsolete movement"?
Yeah. It is rugged, and with some careful regulation holds time perfectly well. And the day the watch dies a new or similar movement is readily available, and costs like a simple night out.
Notice how Bond has his head up and his ears raised... That indicates the reviewed watches are real and authentic.
Nice duel! Like your comment about being polite and respectful in the comments section. I think I would have been rude about one of these if you hadn’t have said that, but let’s just say: the Mako ii, especially it’s aesthetic, would be my choice 😉
Thank you my friend... hahaha now I'm glad I included that. Saved myself a world of trouble;)
Two really fine watches, anyone should be happy with either one. That said, I would have used the Ray in comparison instead of the Mako. The lume is better and while the bezel is just as tight (a negative), I think the printing on it is more attractive. I also didn't have a lineup discrepancy, but do know that it's been a problem for some. You are totally right about the coolness factor!
wouaouh , this is by far the best review in diver watch
I think there are many people who have or had an ORIENT watch for MANY YEARS. So I don't think there are any issues regarding the duration of the movement through the years. We are not talking about Chinese brands, it is ORIENT.
Nice comparison. After 20 years of diving, I am not sure a luted seconds hand is all that necessary. We never dive at night without at least one light, so making sure the watch is running is always possible without lime. Also, the seconds hand passes over the hours and minutes hands every minute, showing the watch is still working. Just my two cents! Keep up the great videos!
Thank you Jeffrey! Appreciate your input as an experienced diver. I'm not a diver myself so it's great to hear thoughts of someone who is. All the best, Oleg.
I have Seiko skx oo9k and Orient Kano. The Seiko skx had 3 minutes missing in 1 week.
But my Orient kanno is good running. Compare the time of my phone. .
I bought the mako 2 for a few reasons, The first is the much newer and better movement ( F6922 ) that is Hackable and just as accurate as the SKX. Second is the fact that the Mako has a screw down crown, and the SKX only has a push-pull crown. With the Mako 2 you get a 1,000 dollar watch for 175 dollars, with the Seiko you get a 350 dollar watch for 350 dollars. Seems like a no-brainer to me, But I have never bought a product just because of name branding, I buy after research to find the best in class and value versus quality. I believe both of these watches suit a purpose, so for me, it's quality of the movement, A screw down crown, a lume that I can still see clearly at 5am because of its brightness, a 200m water resist rating, and durability as a watch that hasn't left my wrist in over 4 years and is still keeping excellent time. The only thing I could say to improve this fine Japanese automatic watch is to put a sapphire crystal on it, instead of a mineral one. But I am not yet willing to pay over 200 dollars more for the Kamasu Orient, which is the same watch as the Mako2/Ray2 but has a sapphire crystal. Hopefully the price on the Kamasu will drop, so I can buy one.
I wish I could get an SKX under £200!
I’m getting the SKX first, then the mako, but neither before I get Pantor Nautilus. I’ve was always going for the SKX, but I now want the orient also. Dang the First World problems!
First world problems indeed lol
That Pantor Nautilus is a solid watch. I will do a full review soon. All the best, Oleg.
Well done mate, my first automatic watch is my SKX, and I've been thinking about getting a Mako as well. I don't know how much time it would see on my wrist, and that is the biggest factor for not getting it to this point. Thanks for the review
SKX is a great first automatic watch to get. If you're not sure about the purchase don't "force it". There are so many other watches that will make you excited to wear them. All the best, Oleg.
Hi Oleg & Bond! Good comparison & interesting scores. No doubt the SKX has a lot of fans & Seiko overall is a very popular with a loyal following. Your point about the lollipop on the Seiko for diving makes sense, though I'd love to see stats on how many SKX owners actually dive. I scored the Orient a point higher overall, but would give Seiko the win if they just replaced the 7s26 mvt with a 4r36.
Thank you my friend. Haven't heard from you in a while. It could have gone either way in this comparison. You're right about the fact the 99.9% of SKX owners never actually dive (including me). All the best, Oleg.
We don't dive but it would be suck if deep down I knew it look like a dive watch but it's not a dive watch
I had 007 j1 years ago (the biggest mistake ever). I got Mako2 few weeks ago which I already did the boxing ( the follow up reivew is coming and it is not good for Mako2). Mako2 is better value for money cause of hacking and handwinding but it doesn't give me the feeling that I got when wearing 007. 007 for me it is more solid, better built and it has history. Of course this is just my opinion and I do respect people that like Mako2 more. The world would be such a boring place if everyone agrees on everything ! Thank you my friend for the great review as usual 👍
Thank you! You regret selling your SKX? You nailed it about the feeling that the watch gives you. I think I prefer the Seiko because it makes me feel better. That's why I reach for it more than the Orient. I will check out your unboxing. All the best, Oleg.
@@24hourstime I'm about to by this SKX009 from this guy on ebay as we speak. He has had it for 2 months and in mint condition...will come with 3 nato straps and 1 rubber strap. No warranty though so I'm quite sure about it...160 pounds 🤔
Can you explain what “hacking” means?
What good is nostalgia, history, or brand recognition if the model just doesn't perform as well as the competition? After all, it is a tool and I think the Mako better serves my needs.
Mako 2 all the way no doubt
I think the accuracy keeping time must be a principal consideration in a automatic watches comparison.
Hey Oleg and Bond!
For me Orient wins by a hairline. I like the flexibility of the Mako 2, you can wear it at work, take it for a dive and wear it to semi-formal occasions. Nothing wrong with the solid and reliable SKX though. I like them both! Great episode 👍
Thank you Richard. Absolutely right, Orient wins in versatility 100%. All the best, Oleg and Bond.
The look and function are why I gotta go with Orient
I love the head to head comparison. Excellent video Oleg :)
Thank you Jeffrey! I was wondering what happened, where you disappeared to? lol
Just too much work to watch videos:)
Thank you so much for all your hard work Oleg :)
Excellent review!
I would definitely go for the Orient Ray 2 over the Mako 2. Having owned both, I found the lume much better on the Ray. Also I felt it looked better, however that's personal preference.
I think Ray II would have been a better comparison. I only have Mako, so I had to work with what I got. All the best, Oleg.
Agree.
Agree man, if only ray has a pepsi color
Seiko lost my business some years ago over quality control. The SKX is just an obsolete watch. Not only is the Orient a much better buy, but there are also many watches in the same category that have more value for the money.
I have a Seiko5, and I like it a lot. It's my daily. But the fact that I can't use it in my watch winder is a real hassle. The movement, while reliable and accurate enough, is frustratingly limited. (It's also prone to becoming magnetized, which speeds up the movement.) If kept demagnetized and well regulated, I only have to adjust it by a minute or two a week. I like the watch quite a bit, but I'm looking into an Orient for my next purchase. (Bambino variant, more than likely...)
Another great video Oleg. Actually just picked up a 1977 Seiko “Turtle”. Just to add to the Seiko collection haha. So I think my heart will always be with Seiko no matter what.
Thank you my friend. 70's Turtle is the dream. How do you like it?
24Hours At A Time I love it man. I never really cared for the design until I found this one and started wearing it. It fits so perfectly and just has a coolness about it. Something about Seikos!
I'm not going to lie... kind of jealous!
24Hours At A Time I hate to add to the jealousy but I actually found it in a pawn shop for....$50
No f..ing way! That's incredible. I'm even more jealous but very happy for you. It's great that a "watch guy" bought it, instead of someone who wouldn't appreciate the watch for what it is.
The Mako II can be worn in a larger range of situations. Meaning you can dress it up or down. Put a plain black rubber strap on the Mako II and it looks like a boat tool watch. The bracelet and you can wear out to an elegant dinner. A black leather strap and it looks good in the office meeting room. Not sure you could wear the Seiko out to an elegant dinner (not as versatile). The Seiko does win hands down a true seawater diver.
Hey Oleg and Bond, greetings from the sunny island of Menorca. Great video as always. Prob would have to agree with most of your scores, although I do think maybe a couple a of scores would have been closer with the Ray 2. But understand it's all subjective really. My money would be on the Orient, everyday. There is no doubting the SKX is an iconic watch. I just wish Seiko would stop resting on its laurels and update a few easily updatable aspects and it would be truly amazing. Great review as always, look forward to the next video mate ⌚
Thank you Chris. You're right Ray II would have been a better comparison for the SKX. Maybe it would have won the duel. All the best, Oleg and Bond!
I agree, just in the lume the Ray is as good as the skx, so there are the 2 points that orient needed to win. I have a Ray and a mako and I love them both, but the lume is way better on the Ray.
Great comparison, but you get something on the quality part wrong, the SKX is brushed like the Mako 2 on top.
You're right. The top of SKX has brushing (not very good). All the best, Oleg.
ps. Love your username lol
@@24hourstime Thanks for the reply, keep the great work going.
Close call Oleg , I'm with the Seiko though and hoping one is delivered into my Christmas Stocking this year. I'm already seeing it with an Uncle Seiko razor wire bracelet :-)
I have the SKX009, I don't wear it, it is accurate, and a very good watch, but I prefer a hand winding, hacking movement, such as a 4R36.
Hello Oleg :)
Nice comparison ;) These watches looks great for me :)
I think a bracelet on Orient is more user friendly :)
one of the best of quality from Japan - amazing :)
OFF TOP:
Parnis Pa 6007 survived hard swimming on swimmingpool ;) I think, the movement is slowing about 3 sec per day :)
Bad sides of this watch are nothing with this :D
Thank you Jaroslaw! Wow -3sec/day is amazing accuracy. And it survived the swimming pool test. Seems like you got yourself a great watch. All the best, Oleg.
Thank You :)
It's my daily beater now - my EDC :)
I love both of these watches, but the Mako 2 definitely won if this comparison was done today. Seiko easily costs 170+ more and I cant find a single listing for 200, meanwhile Mako 2 is easy to find for 130 dollars in any color you would like.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks man!
Keep up the great work
Thank you my friend!
That definitely was a great battle of 2 really great watches, agree with you. No surprise I am a bigger fan of the seiko as I prefer it’s design over the Maco ones. I might sound silly but I don’t like the branding from Orient either the clear Seiko lining just is better to look at from my point of view.
Very good battle Oleg, cheers and greetings, Konstantin 👍🏻🙏🏻
Thank you Konstantin. Seiko SKX has that true diver watch look. Mako II looks more refined and a bit like a "desk diver". All the best, Oleg.
24Hours At A Time, that s Spot on, even though I use my skx as well for desktop diving 😊
i have the blue mako II and now i'm eyeing the skx009. are they really the same size?
That is the coat of arms of my birth country. Cohiba are really good cigars as well.
Agree with everything but the design part. Seiko wins that chapter by a good 2 points. The design of SKX is near perfection. There's 2 areas where SKX knocked it out of the park. ISO rating and design.
I have both. I get more questions about the orient because they never heard of it.
I have never owned an Orient, but can't get past the fact that the Mako just doesn't look as cool as the SKX. What's the quality like? I have reviewed the skx011 for my channel and think it's an awesome watch for the price.
Dang so close! I’d be hard pressed to pick a winner too.
This wasn't an easy one but I had to go with SKX in the end.
I have the mako 2 USA version and love it. I wear it more than my no date submariner. This mako feels extremely well built, yes the price is $350 but worth every penny. I prefer the bezel to be harder to move, the sub is constantly being moved on accident. Wore an skx for 2 weeks and sold it. Less features and feels cheaper. I’m not a professional diver so iso certifications mean nothing to me. Next shitter watch I’ll get will be a orient ray 2 but I’ll get rid of the hideous bracelet. Just my opinion
That's a big endorsement to chose your Orient Mako 2 USA version over the Submariner. I never had any experience with USA version of Mako but I've heard nothing but great things about it. All the best, Oleg.
24Hours At A Time don’t get me wrong I love the sub but feel that if I bang it on something at work too hard it’s going to cost the price of 4 makos to fix. My father gave me his 79’ GMT master as a birthday present, I sent it to factory Rolex to get service witch had never done before and new bracelet cost $8,830 for full over haul. Love Rolex long history but geez cmon they are way overpriced for the quality. Thanks for the reply and the long msg I made you read but I love watches haha
Jeramithehuman If money were no issue, would you still wear the mako ii USA over the sub? Also, try the strapcode bracelet on the ray ii. More substantial than the stock bracelet
really interesting comparative! You know what? Maybe it could be a great idea to elaborate some sort of objective voting scale valid for each one of the watches that you reviewed and will review. With this scale you could form an ordered list of your preferred watches that will be updated at the end of every review video! Just an idea ;)
Thank you my friend. That's a good idea. I will think about how/if I can incorporate it into my reviews. But I don't know if that's possible. All the best, Oleg.
Great video
Thank you Simon!
Also, the SKX seems to age better than the Mako 2. I've seen a beaten up SKX with the faded bezel & the yellowish patina on the indices. It looks gorgeous and firm like an old soldier.
The Mako, on the other hand, with the beaten bezel seems not right & ugly.
Guess part of the explanation is because the Mako is the dressier watch here.
Gotta be the SKX every time!!! I love mine ;-)
I bought seiko skx009 over orient as a beater watch. Just waiting for it to arrive any day now :D
The SKX is a true classic with proven track record, the Orient is not even close, regardless of silly comparison scores. The SKX are their own design, not an homage looking watch, the Orient is an un-referred homage to the Rolex submariner, no matter what people say.....Take a good hard look, it isn't original.
Enough said.
Dude you are delusional or what.. The skx is not even in the same league as the orient, it's overpriced watch with shitty movement shitty bracelet and clasp and shitty design. The price of the skx should not be more than 100$. And no, the mako isn't sub homage.
Congratulations on your purchase, Junwoo! Let me know how you like your SKX!
both good watches... but my fav is the skx009 why not include the accuracy ?
You and me both:) I had accuracy and all the details in the full reviews for the watches.
oops lol must have missed that part
ORIENT MAKO 2 batte seiko sks ORIENT MAKO E KAMASU TOP DIVER THE WORLD 1
You’re supposed to set the bezel before you get in the water.
I own both. The Seiko made in Japan, bracelet feels terrible also the bezel feel so cheap. My orient is the Pepsi version, feels like an expensive really solid made watch.
I love the design of either seiko more classic and orient more actual.
why are these watches so cheap on amazon and ebay? i am aiming to buy mako II, in my country (Poland) mako costs atleast 200-250$, when on sites you recomend you have to pay around 130$, i wish i could know why there is such a difference
My guess the import taxes are driving the price up. A few viewers from Europe have complained about the same thing. All the best, Oleg.
The Orient is a better watch BUT, the Seiko is a way cooler watch.
Agree, if you're not bothered by image get the mako (or a quartz) but for me the orient logo and even their name is just pants. Sounds and looks like something that you'd win at the seaside in a £1 machine
FatSamEIE ha ha, I take it that 'just pants' is a negative thing. Well after having a black Ray on my wrist for three years and looking at that gourgeus applied logo and indeces all this time I now see Orient as a higher, more niche brand than Seiko. It lifts my mood every time I look at it.
Orient is owned by Seiko to start with. Orient it seems is a better value, that being said the dessign of the skx is the most uninspired design l have ever seen, but people love them. Who am l to judge. To me buying a watch at that price point is a waste of money. Save up and buy something with class.
Have u heard about Alexandre Christie watch.?
I haven't, but I'll look into them:)
@@24hourstime thanku sir, u so kind
Which one is heavier?
I think Orient is bit heavier but they are roughly about the same.
@@24hourstime thanks :)
The Mako has Japanese diver certification It doesn’t have the US diving certification because it’s Japanese
Oke i vote orient mako
You should’ve just gotten yourself a Pepsi Orient and replaced the bracelet then 😂. About $200 cheaper that you could spend on a Tissot or a Hamilton.
Seiko wins for me, tho the maco is sweet too. cheers 👍👍
I prefer both Orient and Citizen over Seiko. The SKX just lags behind. Their quality control is poor and they just live off of their past glory days.
For me orient would get a 4 on brand relevance and a 6 on coolness.
I own the mako and am impressed by it but the brand, logo and coolness is not good for me
Both are seikos the sk is a rip off but if you love em you will never be able to see them for what they are .Ps Seiko price this watch at $250 here in IJK cos they think we re mugs
True2022 orient is not seiko.
How is the skx a rip off?
Orient is Seiko ,Google it .
No hacking ,no hand winding ,no sapphire ,cheap and nasty bracelet ,mis aligned chapter rings ...
True2022 once again, they are not seiko.
My Mako has hacking, hand-winding and the chapter ring is aligned perfectly. For $150, you're not going to get sapphire glass or the best bracelet. I mostly wear my watches on leather and/or nato straps anyways, so that's not a big deal for me. Also, Orient is owned by Seiko but that doesn't mean much. VW owns Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lambo, Porsche and more...are you going to tell me all of those companies and cars are the same? Business conglomerates are pretty common in most sectors.
Jeff Robichaud
I was talking about the skx being a ripp off ,Nothing wrong with the Orient ,they re great ,
Problem is the Seiko is three times more expensive
Get the Ray 2, the lume is better
Probably would make for a better comparison.
Is it safe to get these watches from eBay or amazon, how do you guarantee that’s it’s a genuine item?
I suggest check seller ratings and feedback. I have some links in the description to a few reputable sellers. All the best, Oleg.
24Hours At A Time thanks mate
The SKX009 also 007 do not need to be updated with a newer, Hackable, winding movement. They are now becoming classics along with the old Rolex submariner. All of the old previous classics get praised for what they've achieved & their quality of the movement even if they're outdated! The SKX has nothing more to prove, they've rubbed shoulders with the most luxurious watches in the world & held their own whilst costing 30 times less; not many watches in this price range has managed this, not even the Orient! I like the Orients but they have 20+ years to prove their worth against the already proven SKX. Hackables may break within 10 years of regular use....Who knows?!? Seiko now make several hackables, Sumo, Turtle, Seiko 5 etc, why should they need to update an icon? The 7s26 movement needs to be be in the hall of fame. The "Seiko Shuffle" worked perfectly, no gimmick, just worked perfectly.
Sorry for going on, but I get fed up with the silly comparisons with the yet unproven hackables & people talking stupidness about the SKX needs updating with these newer movements....No they don't! They deserve their place in horology history as they are. I wouldn't change a 60s Rolex or Omega classic movement, even though todays movements have gotten supposedly better! The SKXs are perfect the way they are.
You might not change an old Rolex but Rolex did as they realised they were in danger of being left behind with hollow end links and rattily bracelets.
Rolex upped their game(and their prices). Historical watches have their places in history but can still be updated and improved.
Personally I wish they'd improve quality control rather than the movement though.
Seiko bezel better than the Orient? Nooo.
the dog is snoring..
Orient way way better
the skx is more expensive and worse built, the mako/ray are far better watches.
even though without ISO cert, and less rugged look?
Why compar under 200$ it's not the orignal price of the Orient....And 8 Design seiko ?? 6 no more...And total is idiot Orient win !!! And Brand relevance for Seiko it's Over too many problems with her movments actual time !!!!!
And Coolness ........Seiko .LOL old design SO Orient win win win and win again anywhere every where MOUHAHAHAHAHAH
But i love Seiko too you know !
In my opinion the bracelet of Seiko is awful