I think the bisexual numbers might be higher in women for the historical trend even today because bisexual men still seem to be a lot more taboo than bisexual women in heterosexual relationships. Women seem to come out a lot more as bisexual than men. It's even something that seems socially beneficial today. For example, there have even been trends on social media of heterosexual and bisexual women kissing other women, which we would rarely ever see in heterosexual or bisexual men. As a bisexual man, unfortunately, I've noticed how it's not something that seems to be seen as attractive to women. Whereas the opposite seems a lot more attractive to men. I think that in general, this whole thing is very hard to quantify for a lot of reasons. This is my opinion and frankly, I don't know if it has any truth to it. But it seems like it to me and the people I've talked about it as well.
Huzzah! I feel very vindicated by this. Too much of the discussion sexuality centers around the false dichotomy of heterosexual verses homosexual, and it bugs me. I've long thought that there ought to be a lot more people in the middle, but that hasn't come up in discussion very often.
Eric Taysom I'm glad that you feel vindicated, but is she really saying that there are more people in the middle? My take on her work is that there's more sexual fluidity in women than in men. And that men usually figure out whom they're attracted to at a younger age than women, for the most part. This is my understanding of what she said. I agree with this. I know many lesbians who had friends who were girls in high school, even in college, and didn't realize that the "feelings" they had were sexual. Girls can have girlfriends. They can be close, hold hands, even sleep in the same bed together. Guys can't. Either way, I think her work is fascinating.
As far as research in regards to male sexual fluidity, Kinsey discovered thousands in the late 1940’s. And Freud, Fliess, Ellis, and others wrote about in the 1920’s. There is much more going on culturally that erase male fluidity, including gay and straight social tribalism and the fact that male sexuality is often “policed” more so than women’s sexuality. For example the restrictions in the military. But also the psychoanalytic professionals of the late 20th century discouraged bisexual identities as well (for example the CASS model). So, plenty of information was out there it was ignored for political and biased reasons.
I don't see how this shows people "changing" their sexuality, it's more a case of working it out. People love to misinterpret Diamond's work for their own political and religious reasons. It's pretty clear that truly gay men have been unsuccessful changing their orientation in reparative therapy. The Kinsey Institute has had a 40 year offer for someone to scientifically prove male sexual orientation change with brain scans but it hasn't happened. I'm frankly unimpressed with the sample sizes too, most of these longitudinal studies had like 8 gay men in them!
I think it's a fallacy to assume the previous conclusion one makes about their sexuality is "wrong" just because they come to a different conclusion later. I think it's harmful and disingenuous to one's authentic past experiences. Just because one's sexuality changes throughout their lifetime doesn't even MEAN it was a voluntary decision. That's like saying a child chose to grow several inches in a year. You seem to be giving an argument similar to this: "I used to hate soda when I was a child, but because I like it now, that must mean I was wrong before. I must have actually liked soda the whole time. This has to be true, because I don't want people saying my soda affinity is all my own choice."
@@KumaraDosha - yeah but the problem diamond has is she says that sexuality isn't immutable. Ok, that may be true for SOME people, but for gay men who come out as gay they make it pretty clear for them it is immutable. As with all research on male sexual orientation, I'll take J. Michael Bailey over the feminist types any day. They provide more insight into female orientation but quite frankly im unimpressed with one gay man out of a sample of 8 saying he's 'really' bisexual at age 40 and then Diamond concluding that male sexuality is fluid too. Really? How much? Because being attracted to one super butch woman isn't very good evidence. I'd want to see it in lab tests with pupil dilation response and genital response.
Bisexuals are most likely the reason why homosexuality still exists in the human race even though homosexual behaviour doesn't incur reproductive success in itself.
You seem to think that male sexuality is rigid and female sexuality is fluid. This is simply not true. Even Lisa stated that lesbians who were lesbian from the start, remained lesbian. The same is true for gay men. But the large majority of the people are somewhat fluid.
That isn't true. Lisa gave a TedTalk and explained that the "born this way" concept is not necessary for courts to protect the civil rights of it's citizens.
How lol? It's pretty clear that some fetuses could be exposed to different volumes of hormones which could result in bisexuality as opposed to homosexuality. I have never been attracted to a single woman in my life.
@@crossroads670 See a gay man who in his lifetime even once had a degree of opposite-sex attraction and his parents seem to notice they might think that he suddenly become straight and would send him to marry to a girl when he is predominately homosexual and along with his true nature just once had an attraction to a girl. This has happened with someone I know once . She is straight and liked a girl once . A lot of people whom she knew thought she was acting gay. And if she were to be a homosexual people will assume that she could become straight just because of an attraction she had to a man.
I saw this lady in Netflix series "Sex, Explained", and she was very angry, probably because she had to address evolution, and admit that it happened. Along with a number of intellectuals, she probably fought evolution in the 1990s, but as this approach progresses further, she currently has no choice but to admit it. But nevertheless, she is still hostile to the subject, and as we can see from her research in this video, she totally ignores it. And she doesn't understand it either. In the documentary, she talks about evolution for the good of the species, something that doesn't exist.
She is a really great speaker, I loved this talk.
I think the bisexual numbers might be higher in women for the historical trend even today because bisexual men still seem to be a lot more taboo than bisexual women in heterosexual relationships. Women seem to come out a lot more as bisexual than men. It's even something that seems socially beneficial today. For example, there have even been trends on social media of heterosexual and bisexual women kissing other women, which we would rarely ever see in heterosexual or bisexual men. As a bisexual man, unfortunately, I've noticed how it's not something that seems to be seen as attractive to women. Whereas the opposite seems a lot more attractive to men. I think that in general, this whole thing is very hard to quantify for a lot of reasons. This is my opinion and frankly, I don't know if it has any truth to it. But it seems like it to me and the people I've talked about it as well.
I'd love to see research on that honestly. I often wonder why this seem to happen.
Huzzah! I feel very vindicated by this. Too much of the discussion sexuality centers around the false dichotomy of heterosexual verses homosexual, and it bugs me. I've long thought that there ought to be a lot more people in the middle, but that hasn't come up in discussion very often.
Eric Taysom I'm glad that you feel vindicated, but is she really saying that there are more people in the middle? My take on her work is that there's more sexual fluidity in women than in men. And that men usually figure out whom they're attracted to at a younger age than women, for the most part. This is my understanding of what she said. I agree with this. I know many lesbians who had friends who were girls in high school, even in college, and didn't realize that the "feelings" they had were sexual. Girls can have girlfriends. They can be close, hold hands, even sleep in the same bed together. Guys can't. Either way, I think her work is fascinating.
@@suvariboy Interested to see why this is the case.
As far as research in regards to male sexual fluidity, Kinsey discovered thousands in the late 1940’s. And Freud, Fliess, Ellis, and others wrote about in the 1920’s.
There is much more going on culturally that erase male fluidity, including gay and straight social tribalism and the fact that male sexuality is often “policed” more so than women’s sexuality. For example the restrictions in the military.
But also the psychoanalytic professionals of the late 20th century discouraged bisexual identities as well (for example the CASS model).
So, plenty of information was out there it was ignored for political and biased reasons.
I don't see how this shows people "changing" their sexuality, it's more a case of working it out. People love to misinterpret Diamond's work for their own political and religious reasons. It's pretty clear that truly gay men have been unsuccessful changing their orientation in reparative therapy. The Kinsey Institute has had a 40 year offer for someone to scientifically prove male sexual orientation change with brain scans but it hasn't happened. I'm frankly unimpressed with the sample sizes too, most of these longitudinal studies had like 8 gay men in them!
I think it's a fallacy to assume the previous conclusion one makes about their sexuality is "wrong" just because they come to a different conclusion later. I think it's harmful and disingenuous to one's authentic past experiences. Just because one's sexuality changes throughout their lifetime doesn't even MEAN it was a voluntary decision. That's like saying a child chose to grow several inches in a year. You seem to be giving an argument similar to this: "I used to hate soda when I was a child, but because I like it now, that must mean I was wrong before. I must have actually liked soda the whole time. This has to be true, because I don't want people saying my soda affinity is all my own choice."
They are just bisexual. No need for confusion.
@@KumaraDosha - yeah but the problem diamond has is she says that sexuality isn't immutable. Ok, that may be true for SOME people, but for gay men who come out as gay they make it pretty clear for them it is immutable. As with all research on male sexual orientation, I'll take J. Michael Bailey over the feminist types any day. They provide more insight into female orientation but quite frankly im unimpressed with one gay man out of a sample of 8 saying he's 'really' bisexual at age 40 and then Diamond concluding that male sexuality is fluid too. Really? How much? Because being attracted to one super butch woman isn't very good evidence. I'd want to see it in lab tests with pupil dilation response and genital response.
Bisexuals are most likely the reason why homosexuality still exists in the human race even though homosexual behaviour doesn't incur reproductive success in itself.
You seem to think that male sexuality is rigid and female sexuality is fluid. This is simply not true. Even Lisa stated that lesbians who were lesbian from the start, remained lesbian. The same is true for gay men. But the large majority of the people are somewhat fluid.
Human beings are messy
What few realize is that "sexual fluidity" undercuts the legal basis for considering "gay" or "homosexual" as a legal class.
That isn't true. Lisa gave a TedTalk and explained that the "born this way" concept is not necessary for courts to protect the civil rights of it's citizens.
How lol? It's pretty clear that some fetuses could be exposed to different volumes of hormones which could result in bisexuality as opposed to homosexuality. I have never been attracted to a single woman in my life.
did you watch the end of the video sis? she literally talks about this
Umm what? Some people are born sexually fluid lmao.
@@crossroads670 See a gay man who in his lifetime even once had a degree of opposite-sex attraction and his parents seem to notice they might think that he suddenly become straight and would send him to marry to a girl when he is predominately homosexual and along with his true nature just once had an attraction to a girl. This has happened with someone I know once . She is straight and liked a girl once . A lot of people whom she knew thought she was acting gay. And if she were to be a homosexual people will assume that she could become straight just because of an attraction she had to a man.
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I saw this lady in Netflix series "Sex, Explained", and she was very angry, probably because she had to address evolution, and admit that it happened. Along with a number of intellectuals, she probably fought evolution in the 1990s, but as this approach progresses further, she currently has no choice but to admit it. But nevertheless, she is still hostile to the subject, and as we can see from her research in this video, she totally ignores it. And she doesn't understand it either. In the documentary, she talks about evolution for the good of the species, something that doesn't exist.
@OriginalFake She seems more committed to ideologies than to the truth.
Exclusive gay male over here....So I'm the minority of the minority? ...Awesome...fml
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