I dated a psychopath for 6 years. He was a personality chameleon. Everybody liked him because he was taking on the personality of everyone he was talking to right away. He was quiet, very polite and he always knew where his read line was with everybody. He was leading a double life for a couple of years. He faked having cancer. He took unnecessary risks and didn’t learn anything. And one thing I didn’t know about psychopath is that they make you feel very sorry about them. He cried a lot at the right time. That’s how they get you. They know how empathy works even if they can’t feel it.
What’s crazy too is the business world is abuzz with “emotional intelligence” but essentially what they mean by that is learning how to MANIPULATE others using their emotions! It’s great to use actual empathy infused emotional intelligence-but that’s not what they’re Yao get it for
I knew a psychopath who would say he saw everyone as either preditor or prey. He also told me he had no idea what it was like to feel fear. He was really good at telling half truths so you could never really catch him in a lie. He told just enough truth. He was completely without empathy and remorse and yet could charm anyone and make you beleive he was the nicest guy on the planet. He fooled many, even local police.
My Nomad Live, I know someone just like him. He knows I can see right through him. He's even unconsciously put his hand over his mouth when I had him rattled. He's very quick-witted and everyone thinks he's such a nice guy. He goes to church on Sundays. He's a pathological liar, but no one besides myself ever seemed to pick up on it.
Statistics show that 1% of all adults fit the psychopath personality which would equate to approximately 3,200,000 individuals in the US. Interesting thought??
one of the saddest things about this is that even very intelligent people can be fooled. That is because most people have been taught to trust others to some degree. Psychopaths have a huge advantage, because they know this. It's so easy to take advantage of others when you have no moral compass.
@dani cali Yep, "nobody would do that". Or believing they made a mistake or dumb error though it was on purpose. And then after giving them the benefit of the doubt too many times it's too late. Though I don't want to experience real EVIL again, I wouldn't erase what it did to my outlook and understanding.
@@jamesandrews568 Hello, I read your dialogue with dani cali here, in a similar sort of boat probably. Have to find a way out and a solution, and it is difficult, since they are many, in power positions and are skilled at machiavellianism. Have you managed to solve your situation or/and got help to heal from it? It sounds as though it has passed. Did you also not get real help or even dedicated interest and believed from friends, family, acquaintances? How did you manage? If you have some ways, thóughts, ideas, advice, please write. I have sought physical and psychical treatment without success yet. I Want my life now.
@@Medietos I had meant to respond to you previously and I forgot. If there's anything you need or want to know I can give you my email or you can ask here. I will answer you to the best of my ability and I do have time. It would bother me to know that a decent person needed help and wasn't ok.
@@jamesandrews568 How come you didn't really answer my Qs, if you are willing to? I can't re-do the work in this dire situation which I suggested, there has to be meaning and progression in a conversation. I know some feel suppoerted by any old contact; i don't at thi spoint. If you need spome counselling yourself in order to want to engage in me a bit, please ask. Not that I really can/ should go on helping others now, before I managed to turn my situation away from.....the end of it all.. Maybe you couldn't read my comment again, although they don't usually disappear far down until many have posted and long time has passed... I asked 3-6 Qs.
I encountered so many gas lighting psychopaths I decided to become a loner and live as a basic life as I can. I maybe very bored now but at least it is peaceful.
@@Evan-ke2lo This is a Cornell University professor, so, yeah, this is college. College professors are not there to entertain, they are there to teach.
@@FreeSpirit47 Of course, but one should think a psychologist'd be extra aware of the teaching situation psychologically, how learning is affected by thriving and positive stimulation. Who talks of entertainment?. But good if you are content with it. He certainly seems very amused talking about psychopaths.
@Tom Johnson I got a lot out of this. Also, my friends & family are doing quite well with their professions using the knowledge from their field of study in college. Most recently, a 26 year old Mechanical Engineer who just started on her career making a 6 figure income with a fantastic benefit package just starting out. It's true that some college grads are less successful. All of the college grads that I know, personally, are doing phenomenally well.
@ _"We decide to become victims."_ Someone who has the freedom to walk out of an abusive relationship, and knows they do, and has the emotional strength to do so... maybe decides. Guess what? That describes almost no one.
@ _"people need to be taught"_ ...and if no one's taught them, it's somehow their own fault. I see.
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@@StefanTravis What I said, was "Sometimes, people need to be taught where they're going wrong" . . . . Where YOU went wrong, was taking part of a sentence out of context, then implying that I was apportioning blame, when I clearly wasn't. You seem to think that teaching someone how to get past a pathological behavioural issue is a bad thing.
@ _"You seem to think that teaching someone how to get past a pathological behavioural issue is a bad thing."_ Obviously not. Stop trying to derail the thread. The point you're trying to dodge is your glibertarian position that victimhood is a lifestyle choice.
I listened as I’m attempting to understand my psychopathic mother who abused me on a scale only a few know. Most but not all of the same applies for a female psychopath. From my experience she’s completely absent of any empathy even for her own biological children, grooms them to be her little brainwashed soldiers to do her dirty work while destroying them in the process almost without awareness of her actions, it comes natural to her. She thrives off of exerting extreme power and control over everyone around her to use for her sadistic and selfish needs as well as material gain. The first time I ever saw my mother cry is when I was 12 years old I told her “no.” She used emotion to try to guilt me into burning down one of her rental houses for insurance fraud. Before I escaped her grasp after 33 years I would have jumped off a bridge if she would have told me to do it. They know how to distort your mind and reality.
I grew up with the same mother. Her violence physical and emotional was profound, I have DID aka multiple personalities that is not what you see on tv or movies. It's much more of an internal shift in personhood perspectives of someone who carries awareness of specific events and content is hidden from the primary host of this physical body. We are all aware of five or six incidences as they began but with the escalation of the violence fragmenting occurs and I myself have no memory whatsoever of entire acts of harm. .I think that portions of some of us in our system characters have forms of cluster b or ASPD and psychopathy. This woman even planned in the first weeks of my life to make it difficult to prove thatI existed in the first place and secondarily that it would surface in adulthood that I do not exist having no official proof I exist. It did surface, it was devastating and I would have gone to my grave not able to identify what caused what played out EXCEPT that I accidently discovered her crime when I applied for my passport. I'd had a passport s a child as a dependent so the info on me wasn't searched being a six year old. The passport HEAD person was called in to help figure out what was going on. SHE had never filed my birth certificate and intended to cause my death but each time fell short of the mark. I'd like the file charges at this point if I knew how and had the funds to hire lawyers. I've had eight-nine years of therapy to heal where possible. Good luck on your healing path.
After years,of teaching prosocial skills to children from early childhood through the 5th grade, especially anti-bullying protocols, we were stunned to learn of peer reviewed, replicated research which showed that for children with antisocial tendencies (bullies or emergent bullies), teaching prosocial skills actually made the children better bullies. This is related to the fact that people who display antisocial tendencies don’t internalize observed emotions in others, but use those observed emotions to try to fit in and appear “normal” when engaging with others, and definitely to manipulate others.
Aren’t you in that profession that makes parents give their kids legal meth so they’ll sit still because you can’t figure out anyway to engage them? Tell me please how bullying parents to give their kids drugs is somehow not bullying. Every state in the US has international investments to fund their teachers’ retirements. Do you have any idea if the companies in your portfolio are prosocial or antisocial? I’m guessing most of them are antisocial, and technically could be regarded as serial killers. Are you aware that public school teachers are paid through a government that takes money based solely on the fact that they have guns. And yet you wanna train kids to not bully? Really? Maybe they’re just reflecting what they’re seeing in the adults around them. See, the reason the kids don’t listen to or respect you is because they have a built-in hypocrisy detector. The reason they don’t sit still for you is because they don’t trust you because you’re dissociated and they can see that. The response of your profession to their own shortcomings (“drug the kids”) *is* bullying. I for one would like to hear from people who have holistic and consistent internal moral values, not psychologists and teachers. An integrated person has both of those qualities and can also say no to authority. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that because you entered a conformist and obedience, oriented profession, you struggle with this type of higher-level integration. That’s alright. The struggle to live up to our values is part of what makes us human. My concern for you is that you probably don’t know that there are values involved in what you’re doing at all. For example, it’s fairly obvious that the public schools were used to push women into the workforce so that companies could get a two for one deal on their employee pay. If you want to fix ADHD, which is a cultural problem, you need to go back and fix that mistake. Of course, that would mean quitting your job, but then at least you wouldn’t be living off the antisocial aggression of government bullies. When I was in school being around, my teachers often felt like walking on eggshells. After knowing teachers as an adult, that now makes me wonder if they were all narcissists. Do you see what I mean? Your a basic assumptions (that normal is desirable, for example, or that opinion polls suddenly becomes scientific because a psychologist categorized the responses) are absurd and unsupportable. And somebody really needs to do a deep dive into the antisocial underpinnings of feminist-oriented, professions’ hatred of men. I’m gonna go out on another limb here and suggest that at least a couple of your students are worried about your husband. I’m just basing that observation on my memory of being a kid, but I remember it pretty vividly. That’s probably why I empathize with kids instead of desiring to boss them around and make them conform to my opinion of what an adult should be. They don’t need your eighth grade opinion of what an adult should be. How do I know that you probably have an eighth grade opinion of what an adult should be. The exact same way that you form opinions about people too. The data suggest that if your average you watch 3 to 4 hours of TV a day. The programming on television is targeted to an eighth grade audience, because that’s the average. If you watch commercial TV for 3 to 4 hours because it engages you . . . Just know that your eighth grade brain is finding it extremely compelling for a reason. Why do you think so many shootings happen at schools? For the exact same reason that killer whales go nuts when they’re in prison at Seaworld. And that’s your queue to go, “Oh, he had oppositional defiance disorder.” Because there’s a diagnosis for everything that you don’t like. Well, that’s a pretty nifty little system if you’re an authoritarian, isn’t it? So, unfortunately, the next time the kid goes into a public school to do violence, just know that they’re mirroring what they’re saying in the adults around them, and they’re probably the most influenced by the people they spend the most around of time with, which is their teachers. So, who in the world do you think they’re learning that violence and force is effective from? I would guess it’s probably from the teachers, social workers, and psychologists around them who live off the violence our government does. How can you of all people in good faith, and with a holistic sense of self, accuse others of manipulating people. Next to prisons, I can’t think of a more manipulative system than the public school system. I’m sorry to be the one to say this, but it’s most likely the reason you don’t see the contradiction between your behavior and practice is that you’ve been thoroughly propagandized to accept the contradiction is just normal. And isn’t normal psychology really the problem? After all, what is the normal state of the world? Yeah, not interested in being normal on your terms. From the root comes the fruit. Do yourself a favor and look up “the smile room” on Google then quit your job. And for God’e sake, would you please stop manufacturing schizophrenics and school shooters? (When the kids in your classroom are savvy enough to know that prescription drugs are just operationalized MK ultra, which will be general knowledge in the next few years among young kids, it’s probably time for you to retire. They’re on to you.
Generally, everyone tries to fit in and appear normal. I’ve also been both the bully and the victim in childhood, depending on the circumstances of my environment and inner growth (or lack of it). I think there are too many variables in the developmental stages of childhood to use as a determining factor in promoting pro-social behavior or not. Everyone needs social skills, even at the risk of arming potential psychopaths with camouflage. If you are teaching positive behavior in any form then you are raising the bar for all and contributing to their quality of life, regardless of who may choose to manipulate those lessons for personal gain at the expense of others. With compassion and integrity, all we may do is plant the seeds. We cannot know or control if they grow into flowers or weeds.
This was fascinating. Someone who is academically well versed and doesn't only care about presentation, but the substance is tremendously well thought . :)
Not true, well not 100% true. I have a degree in Criminal Psychology. I've read and I was fortunate enough to meet "Psychopaths" myself. Some (not all) psychopaths dont hurt animals. Some of them consider animals ( dogs, cats, horses etc) are the only beings that they can deal with or understand. I could go on but I think you got the point. Psychopaths come in all different shapes and sizes and they all have different paths in life. Psychopaths are not as easy as ppl think. This is also a very old lecture, at least 10 years if not longer. The science has changed a bit.
I disagree. Sure, maybe the best way to spot a narcissist. Because narcissists are extremely easy to spot. You don't even have to be in their prescence long. But you're not gonna spot psychopaths this way, and if you think you "spot them", I strongly doubt they're psychopathic.
The "Corporate Entity" is the ultimate psychopathic personality. We have been infused with this mindset since birth, via our media and advertising. This is the main reason why I no longer own a television.
Around 15 years ago my slacker room mate failed to pay the cable and it was canceled. I never found a reason to renew it, he unknowingly did me a favor.
I was locked into a business relationship with a lower level psychopath (he wouldn’t kill anyone but he could drive someone to suicide and then be proud of it). Whatever words came out of his mouth, I always had to be totally aware of who he actually was until I was able to extricate myself from the situation.
@@mard9802 I have met and confronted a few people like that, that I have worked with, and believe you me they hate you for it. When I did I always made sure I had witnesses so they couldn't twist what I said or they said to their advantage. Afterwards whenever I had conversations with these people they could never look me in the eye.
lol why is there so much hate in the comments?? I thought it was interesting because I'm interested in this topic. Maybe you guys should watch something you are interested in?
Possibly those commenters are psycho paths? Could be why they're watching this? Personally I've encountered some extremely intense people throughout the years and thought by the title this video might shed some light on the subject.
Satya Veda: Psychopaths are narcissists. They don't have a conscience and they don't care what anybody else thinks (of them). They don't see anything wrong with their behavior so why would they watch a video like this?
Kayenta Because they study psychology. And they're obsessed with what others think of them that's all they have is false identity ie. Ego. You see the psychopath narcissist is the result of going so far to the point that they don't even see their errors which appears to others as "they don't care" but in reality it was their intense inferiority that drove them to this state in the first place.
@Anming Alexander Criticisms keep the wonky academic disciplines like psychology honest. Some people treat psychology like a religion and they believe everything they hear. It's all the more necessary for those people to listen to the criticisms and the "haters".
After encounters with psychopaths, particularly online, and on TH-cam too, this presentation to journalists by very reasonable academics is a very calming experience. Thank you, and grateful to good commenters also.
I am a radio producer and I’ve learned a lot about language just through interviewing and editing people talking. People will often repeat something minimum of 3 times before they get out the complete thought or sentence. People will start their sentence 2-3 times before they can get it out right. IE “I…I..I wanted to go…” we rephrase questions often several times before we ask what we really want. It’s very messy. I tend to wait until someone has expressed their statement at least 3 times before I use the audio, it’s usually the best and most concise by that point.
I sometimes wonder how much of interviewees’ studdering is “pretend”: I - I - I , drives me nuts. As well as rhe use of the word “ like” over and over again in speech.
Do you expect to be able to produce algorithms for companies such as Cellebrite for law enforcement to evaluate the written language of suspects in their social media and/or text communications?
Thank you so much for this comment. I noticed a long time ago that I do this and feared I must really be annoying people by explaining things thrice when really I'm the one who needs to get it clear for myself. But I don't notice others doing it so... whew.
Interesting. As a radio presenter myself, I had to practise speaking 'tidily'. Eventually, by slowing down whilst expressing more complex thoughts that were difficult to put into words, I could remove most of my ums and arrs. This had the added advantage of increasing my silence. Silence is powerful on the radio ... not too much obviously. You can control the details of your speech more than you might imagine. I would not be surprised if a strongly motivated, and highly intelligent psychopath could successfully adjust their speech if this research became more well known and used widely to spot psychopaths.
Gladwell’s Talking to Strangers has references along the lines of this work. I wouldn’t be surprised if these researchers were cited. The most direct overlap here is specifically in the part about how much worse people are at detecting deception compared to AI. It’s fascinating. The whole book kind of messed me up, especially with there being such overwhelming evidence across well-known and unknown cases. Side notes: They weren’t exaggerating about how rare it is to interview prisoners in their work! It also unnerves me how researchers get so used to their topic that they kind of become desensitized, too, when discussing traumatic events. Kind of like how surgeons can go eat lunch right after work, I guess. Finally, back to Gladwell: The questions about application of this research in criminal justice are already seeing some general data. Someone asked an EXCELLENT question about speech disfluencies relating to dyslexia or ADHD around 22:00, I think implying that neurodiversity can be labeled as psychopathy by those who know just enough to be dangerous. Gladwell also mentions people who don’t conform to expectations in communication and end up getting convicted more often when they were only guilty of being socially awkward. I forgot what that term was called, but they don’t sync well - they don’t make eye contact or they seem nervous or guilty, or they joke or laugh at inappropriate times. Anyway, why am I writing like I talk? 🤭 Second-guessing myself: I read Blink almost immediately after so I hope I didn’t mix those books up. Also, based on how many edits I’ve made, editing history might also be a useful consideration in addition to backspacing in social media. If only I wrote like this in my work. 🤦🏽♀️
In my line of work, I have a higher chance of encountering psychopaths. When they discuss a crime, particularly when they are caught or arrested, they will distance themselves by pauses and they will also deny knowledge in a calm way, not an emphatic way. They will also blame others for the crime that 'had' to occur. For example, the victim brings it upon themself. Everything is happening 'to them'. They will transform themselves into the victim within seconds. I think this talk should be streamlined a little more to focus on the language and communication, rather than the levels of needs, etc. He also tends to focus on murders, but the highest percentage of psychopaths in our society are those individuals that stalk, harass, commit fraud, etc, but who don't kill people. Not all are 'charming', but they will try to use charm. Psychopaths will not only focus on what they ate on a particular day of a crime, but they will also go into detail about their movements and what they wear on a particular day of the alleged crime or the day prior to the crime. They will use a lot of detail to distance themselves from the crime and to fool an investigator.
*so you're saying psychopaths are biblical.* *biblical, in this sense, means a detailed record of facts. Sorta like bibliography.* *they account for facts in a bibliographic way in order to later present their lies as facts. Their fact-professing agenda is nothing but lying preparation.*
Really insightful comment,thank you for sharing. In watching Police interviews online recently, i've picked up on and can now understand clearer characteristics you mentioned in certain cases.
My corporate psychopath manager at Credit Suisse was a chameleon - one day raging bully, the next innocent lamb and even mentally challenged. But once I saw the rabid animal, he could not fool me for a second. He also lied a lot and probably thought everyone else was lying to him, so he would ask you to prove anything you said.
My very core was decimated by a "Prince Charming" psychopath for about 6 years. Other people call them successful psychopaths. We share a son (who I constantly make sure can emote at age-appropriate levels and shows empathy, caring, connection, etc.). Around the 14:00 mark, Professor Hancock discusses what the psychopath chose to focus on during the day of the murder. The psychopath I was with was a corporate pilot and flew all over the world much of while we were together (until he started stealing large sums of money from his employer and promised to kill me and the kids and dump our bodies in the mountains of the PNW if I ever told anyone what he was doing. I told his boss he was stealing money and threatening to kill us. I tell everyone now.) But what struck me as funny was that during that entire time that he was flying, rarely home, wouldn't really talk about ANYTHING that wasn't something I needed to DO FOR HIM, but the thing he would ALWAYS SEND ME was pictures of his food. When the Professor said that, my mind was flooded with 6 years of pictures of FOOD. His dinners, his midnight hotel snacks, the food on the corporate jet the crews would bring in. Did he ever talk about anything meaningful or substantial or emotional after the love bombing phase (where it actually me talking and him parroting)? No. Never. Exclusions being hatred, that I was "pure evil", or that I was a number of other derogatory words for a woman. Very interesting. I'm very much enjoying this video!
😂 took a vow 20 years ago I’d never get on a plane! Thanks for validation! Now, I’m more curious about ppl who take pics of food lol, perhaps those ppl are narcissistic instead of psychopathic.
Geneva, The same happened with me. No substancial conversations, very supperficial. He was working on a ship. Everyday he made food and send me pictures of the food he made. Every day for 1 year... After 1,5 year this relationship stopped. I was suicidal suddenly. I completally collapsed. I was flabbergasted and did not know why i suddenly broke down completally. He also was very nice to me, but also very not nice. This 2 things i could not cope with either. To long story, but the food and beer was very important to him. No depth. Supperficial charm. No empathy. But he was also nice, so i do not get it. All was about him and his life, not mine. I will never be the same. He took something out of me. He really changed me. This never happened to me that drastically. It feels so weired and strange. I do not recognize myself anymore. I look at the miror and i do not see myself anymore. I felt completally dead and now i feel a living person but dead inside.
In the ten years since this recording, we seem to have greatly differentiated the characteristics of variants on such disorders. We also have made great inroads into understanding Pathological Narcissism, a trait that gets confused with psychopathy and sociopathy. There also appears to be a difference between psychopaths that murder and those who don't. The under-the-radar populations that are not captive really need to be studied, as they are the people who are causing the most cumulative harm to society.
Perfectly said! The US is ruled by undiagnosed cluster Bs who have been killing millions of people collectively for 40yrs UNCHECKED, BOTH PARTIES FOR PROFIT ONLY! The war machine, big pharma, big tech and big banking collectively kill tens of millions of people worldwide! The kicker is that only people with dangerous cluster B personality disorders will refuse to be properly diagnosed and we continue to allow this and elect them into power as a result.
This world was created for good and evil. I got BOTH. GOOD TURNING TO EVIL THEN BACK. I HAVE SEEN IT. GAGGING SICK UN EASY mind games. I'm not sure what category he's even in.
Thanks for mentioning this. Psychopaths make up 1% of the population, that's a huge amount! And psychopath children are hell to raise. Any parent's biggest fear should be being burdened with a psychopath child who is fully incapable of loving you back. They statistically end up in prison and/or hurting other people. What a drain on society. Hopefully we can figure out a fool proof way to identify a shriveled psychopath brain in the womb. If we allow parents to terminate pregnancies with Down syndrome, we can allow parents to choose if they want to commit their life to something that can't even muster a house cat level of love for others.
Progress in this area is a good thing. I'm often surprised though, by how often con men/women murder, even relatively late in their criminal career, without any previous history of violence, and when there really were reasonable alternatives. I realize that's just a small subset, but I wonder if it's less of a difference than that it just hasn't had to happen yet, mostly due to luck.
Excellent video. Leaves me feeling that I should have an honorary PhD for 50 years of being raised by and married to these unscrupulous individuals. I know too much. They don't like that.
Me too. My sister is a psychopath. Unfortunately, I am still forced to deal with her due to circumstances outside of my control. I have become so good at understanding and knowing how to deal with her she has almost backed off slightly. I know she will never change but I think when they encounter someone who knows how to handle them, they almost respect that and step back just slightly. Never NEVER let down your guard or trust these people. Once you know who they are, never forget. That helps some.
I just left a relationship with someone who was antisocial and I was fooled. I spent free time studying, reading papers, taking university courses on personality disorders, specifically cluster B personalities and I was still fooled. I think part of it, and why I stayed so long was because it makes me sad that someone is literally incapable of empathy. Sometimes it can be a curse especially in situations like this, but I COULD not imagine not having it. I also believe there is a difference between antisocial and psychopathy as he wasn't charming or goal orientated really, and he did have emotional capacity (had depression, and other feelings). He could show cognitive empathy but not pure empathy on an emotional. compassionate level. There was no remorse also which is scary, For me it was like a cold prison with no intimacy. The one thing I did notice with him was that is that the interpersonal relationship with me was almost like a vulnerable narcissistic - like poor me, im a victim, I love you, but this is your fault x y z, gaslighting, grandiosity. The world owes me or didnt recognize me, But outside of that he was someone who just did not care, didnt really care to much about consequences. Started getting in trouble and going to jail at age 15 and onward. To figure out a name for it really helps (is he narcissistic or is he antisocial) I honestly think its a bit of both but more so antisocial. I am hurt, and the change is causing grief, which I do know now is normal. I appreciate the experience that I got first hand because now I am more aware on a personal level of what these people are like, its really different then reading a book or taking a course. I would like to say to anyone who is possibly in one of these relationships that it is never your job to sacrifice yourself to someone with bad behaviors in hopes of saving them.
I recently entered into a relationship by choice with somebody who I know is a sociopath, and it's because I'm absolutely fascinated by him. I've never seen anybody project their childhood trauma upon their persona so clearly. He also puts on heavy charm, the fact that he's very tall and extremely buff and very good looking makes it easier for me to talk myself into researching him. Lol. I'm autistic, he gets really annoyed with me. I call him out on his shit all the time and tell him that he's only reacting the way he is because he is antisocial personality disorder and he needs another hit of dopamine. 😫🤣 We understand each other pretty well, however I've had to put him in check momentarily when he breaks one of the boundaries that I have set. Recently he's been pushing my limits more and more, so we have decided to take more space from each other. We have an odd type of respect for one another. I've known him for a few years, but I definitely don't trust him in a lot of different ways.
Sorry you had to learn the hard way. But that's the way it is with most things in life. I have been around psychopaths and narcs my whole life unfortunately. So I understand it but it still sucks. Always best to just get away from them. It's kind of hard to tell at first but one clue is if someone is charming and seems too good to be true, they usually are. These people are on a spectrum. My sister is highly narcissistic, but I've also seen her bump up into the psychopathy range. Deeply damaged woman. Highly toxic and destructive, pathological liar, but also very immature and predictable. It's odd how these people have almost identical behavior. Once you learn it, it's easier to spot. But there are so many of them out there nowadays, it's hard to find a nice, regular person anymore. I've grown very distrustful of people after growing up in a family with one psychopath and two narcissistic parents. But yeah they will never NEVER change. You just have to move on and be grateful you got away. No regrets.
Let me help you, so every person who have the anti-social personality disorder is a narcissist, but not every narcissist has the anti-social personality disorder. So he probably has been both yeah!
I can tel you right now , someone close to me was preyed upon like a prey by a man with psychopathy. It started with social media , she liked that he was portrayed as a community leader, involved in many communal activities . She followed his social media page , later on found herself getting involved. She mentioned to me , he gave her a high dose of romance , followed by trails of deceptive behaviors, and quickly formed into domestic violence, life threading events . Police reports and subpoenas discovered he had a history of dv complaints , gun possession , all while hiding behind a business ethical man and community leader
Same. Worst 8 months of my life. 2 years after I cut him out of my life he shot himself. I felt nothing for him. I thought the world is better off. I can’t believe my numbness.
4 out of 10 people Hello, lacking basic Discernment and a bull shit detector is the real modern day pandemic here. I'm surprised your surprised Its almost like running into traffic
The question at 44 minutes is incredibly valid. The issue I can foresee is that corporations will be actually seeking sociopathic people because they're extremely effective at managing people. This is also a major problem with the incentive structure of capitalism. It breeds sociopathy because the more sociopathic traits you have, the better you can do in business.
+BlueEternities this has already happened. look around you. this is why the world is focked. these people are already at the top of the "capitalist" food chain as well as many other systems around the world. in america we promote psychopathic ways as the ideal.
As a woman who's lived for several decades on this Earth - from England to Hawaii - and numerous places in between - based on my personal experience, I am compelled to conclude that serial killers and serial rapists are everywhere. Their prevalence in the world is far more common than the "professionals" admit.
I'm sure most people feel this way to an extent, but I was in a relationship with a psychopath for 2 years. Was the most destructive time of my life and still affects me many years later. Created an intense feeling of distrust in people. It's scary to see that emotionless, completely apathetic human. And still pretty fascinating even when you're the victim
I hope you're safe now 💛. I'm really sorry for what he put you through. A psychopath is very cunning,like a Komodo Dragon or Pitbull. Very sneaky. But hey, you know that. Focus on healing yourself,be filled with relief that you got away in one piece. I'm currently being targeted by TWO. It's awful. Sigh.
@@starrysparkles404 Get Restraining Orders so they're on Police Radar. Arm yourself: Tear Gas, BearSpray, Gun with lots of training and Defensive Arts ie Martial, Jujitsu etc. There are special classes for Womens Defense too! Take no chances and always be aware of your surroundings. Stay Safe! Move if you can ASAP!
I am so sorry for you, if you don't have a coach I would recommend getting a Christian Coach at least for a couple of weeks months, to get rid of the darkness... I ll pray for you God bless you
This is seriously interesting stuff. To be able to identify a personality disorder with language analysis from security, social and educational point of view would be amazing. The chap presenting is an academic not a clown there to entertain the kids.
what about a lie? since this is important to identifying a psychopath. why not start with the more simple things before forecasting group behavior based upon particularities
@@puppetperception7861 Well lie detection using verbal analysis has many times been studied. Much has been learnt as a consequence. However, In an of itself language without body language analysis when attempting to discover a lie just doesn't work very well.
@@puppetperception7861 I'm going to g out on a limb here and say most psychopaths charged with murder are going to lie. And can pass a polygraph as the prof indicated. This micro language assessment is fascinating.
I edit audio discussions as part of my job. It's amazing how messy natural language is. It has taken me 10 hours before to clean up 30 minutes of audio.
Yep, I've done editing for audiobooks. I allow 3 times the eventual playback time for recording - so a 1 hour text will take 3 hours to record. And 5 times for editing - expect to spend 5 hours editing to get a 1 hour result. I've invented a way to fold most of the editing into the recording, but it still takes 4-5 hours to get a 1 hour product.
I was married to one for 11 years. I project "good" onto others; and it took me forever to see him for who he really was. The pain in the relationship was never-ending. I, obviously, had a lot of growing to do. I subsequently found out through counseling that the had molested our one-year-old daughter... They are monsters existing on a non-human plane.
Projecting good onto others... I used to do that a LOT myself when I was a little kid. I had almost completely outgrown it by the time I was maybe 5 or 6 years old. We imagine and project good nature onto other people when we're little kids because for a lot of people, it's just our nature and we want to relate happily to the world we live in. But, it's incredibly naive and purely ignorant.
One of the issues with diagnosing female psychopaths is prejudice in psychology and psychology. Men are diagnosed, women are labeled. You can find females diagnosed with borderline personality disorder who have PTSD, psychopathy or were just pissed off when they saw some poorly educated health care provider. This is particularly true with social workers who know just enough to be dangerous. The females misdiagnose as much as the males.
Very true. The female psycopath is also rarer and is so different that it is hard for us to understand or conceptualize. Other diagnosis are made, because it is difficult for humans to see this in the female form. We don't want to think it's possible, while male psycopaths are readily accepted.
Females with zero emotional affect are statistically rare, so it is illogical for that to be the first diagnosis on a list, even if a lot of the criteria match.
Dr, Stanton Samenow is premier in the study of psychopathic criminals. His work is used to educate those working towards becoming profilers for the FBI etc. He often has discussed the specific words and manner of communication that are used by criminals. With his decades of research done with criminals I am curious that these folks do not mention him or seem to even know of his enormous body of research. He writes regularly for Psychology Today. I am degreed in Communications and I have studied the language of the Personality Disordered for the past five years. I work in a counseling office of a college and over a period of years I have been able to identify three extremely Narcissistically Personality Disordered women by listening to their conversations, one who I reported to the FBI for fraud. All are extremely manipulative and all have committed fraud and other crimes of misrepresentation. The FBI was only notified after I had gathered enough data to enable them to have a case. Because the employee was over 72 she was forced into retirement along with her immediate supervisor within 30 of my handing over a key to a supply cabinet that held documentation proving Pell Grant fraud that spanned nearly a decade. It wasn't ethical to remove information from the office due to the Federal Privacy Act but an unused metal cabinet became a receptacle that allowed the copious gathering of many documents. Indeed the "distancing" use of words and the manipulative techniques that are regularly employed to distract, enlist unearned empathy, play the victim, cast innuendo on others, and commit character assassination were endless. It takes a different perspective to catch on to the word play. The book authored by Dr. Stanton Samenow , . "Inside the Criminal Mind" is very educational in understanding the mindset of the pathologicol narcissist. Samenow uses the word "criminal" to explain the mindset, even if the person is never convicted of a crime. Samenow states that most criminals are never caught let alone convicted.
I am very curious to know whether the 72 yo being forced into retirement was considered to be the entire solution to her extensive fraud? Was a lack of accessible or remaining funds to recover a consideration in basically " letting it go"?
I was married to one. Everything that came out of his mouth was a lie. He frequently would say things to me and other people like "if you don't do …..(blank) you are going to force me to do....(blank)." When he was telling a lie while he was sitting down , he would place one leg on top of another and rub the bottom of his shoe. It was so gross that it was distracting to everyone around. He never had any anxiety or fear. Currently he is in prison ,studying to be an attorney.
The leg thing is a self-soothing strategy, all they feel is anxiety and fear all their life,they percieve everyone as a threat, but it is buried deep and different mannerisms are a telltale.
"Currently he is in prison, studying to be an attorney." If he was an actual psychopath, then he should currently be in the graveyard, studying to become worm food. Prison is not, and never has been a deterrence for psychopaths. Shooting them to death works quite well, though. So, why did you marry him? What is it about guys with no conscience at all that makes them irresistible to women, even when the other 99% of the guys around them are not psychopaths?
This is absolutely fascinating, especially because I have a family member who I only realized after decades of association that the reason for his odd behavior was narcissism/sociopathy. It is extraordinarily important to quantify this type of behavior so that they can be identified quicker and separated from the public if necessary. Having an automaton to identify these people is extremely important, if for no other reason, because they are MENTALLY EXHAUSTING. In addition, the research sounds analogous, to transposons in the human genome. They are "throwaways" that leave a very particular generic code that is almost impossible to replicate. One thing that they haven't mentioned, so far, is that REPETITION is the main method that they are able to manipulate. Moreover, the only manner of treatment is to call them out each and every time, even interupting the flow of the conversation, to bring it to their attention. They must know that you are aware of their aberrant behavior, even when it seems imperceptible. In addition, good behavior must be rewarded because their reward system should be on the same level of their hierarchy of need, .....basic. I'd volunteer with the police department to help because Narcissists are miserable and a waste of time.
To call them out... The only thing they learn is...to be wiser and more skilled the next time... This is my experience. You make of them better psychopaths, then before and smarter...
@Threetwo One I agree that narcissism and sociopathy have different meanings. That's why they're 2 different words. But, I don't agree with the balance of your statement and I stand by my original post.
"I have nothing to do with that evil act of cruelty, or whatever happened." Chris Watts, Interview with detectives prior to being arrested for the murder of his wife and two children.
@u little shit Why? All I said was that was experiencing cognitive dissonance from hearing really disturbing information delivered in a soothing tone. Although I suppose it would be worse to hear it in a distressing tone on top of everything. Relax.
I was abused by a senior doctor and a nurse who covered up the malfeasance with blatant cut and paste fraud that blamed me for me injury in the medical records, and included the incongruent government promotional tagline “Explore the Experience” under the state logo. I don’t know if it was a lazy effort to construct the statutory form or a more subtle expression of their confidence and amusement at their work that left me literally devastated. The logo tagline is visible almost everywhere when I step outside, no one believes that I was intentionally harmed, at least now I know that psychopaths lurk where you least expect them. The disregard for civil liberties that technology enables seems to be facilitating the amplification of problematic narcissistic behaviours, and arguably psychopathic tendencies, as does social media. Given the slander that was written within the fraud, it is very disturbing that so many ‘experts’ are allowed infallibility status, lots of room for manipulation of assessments….
I have been dealing with narcs my whole life in my family and if one good thing came out of it is maybe that I am quite good at spotting them pretty quickly. Although it can take time to really get to know someone because they can be pretty good at hiding it. If they don't show interest in your life and talk mostly about themselves, that is one of the first signs. I mean, they may start out talking about you and your life a little bit but it doesn't last long. Also, another thing you might notice quite quickly is an inability to compromise or communicate in a cooperative way. They must feel like they are in control. That is pretty easy to see right away too. Other things that can come later on is their lack of empathy. They can fake empathy and have cognitive empathy but watch how they react to a homeless person, an animal that might need help, or an elderly person. They usually don't notice and if it comes up, they do not want to get involved. They tend to either not work or be in jobs where they can have a high status or level of control or be in the limelight or all of the above. They also lie. A lot. And if you ever question them about something that is a lie or something they did that was wrong, if they do not take responsibility or acknowledge that it even happened or gaslight you, bingo, you're probably dealing with a narc. I have just one more thing to say. Unless you are forced to deal with these people like you have to work with them or you are sharing custody of kids or something, cut them off completely. Don't feel bad about it. They don't care about you. You don't need to care about them. They will never change. And if you are forced to deal with them and you have the money, get a lawyer, esp. if financial stuff is involved or there is any kind of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse. You need help dealing with this, there is no shame in it. ALL of the shame belongs on the narcissists and in fact that is what is driving most of their behavior. A deep sense of shame and inferiority that they try to cover with grandiosity. Be safe out there. Take care. W
Have you ever asked yourself how these people became that way? They were not born this way or that way, correct? So, the only shame is in pointing a finger to one without considering pointing another to the one back of them...and then how much further back? I once heard this kind of behavior called "residue of abuse". ✌
@@sharonthompson672 Very interesting topic. I don't know. The people I know who are like this, I think it's a combination of nature and nurture or lack thereof. I think adults can make a choice about how they treat others. I don't let them off the hook that easily. Yeah, there are some people who are really mentally off, like legally insane or whatever but most of these people aren't, they are just complete assholes.
@@junemoonchild69 good point. I can speak from experience on this. yes, the two narcs in my family are my sister and my father. father was beaten by his mother and treated badly and he did the same to his kids, all three of us for the most part. but only my sister wound up a high level narc. i don't think unless someone is criminally insane, they have a right to treat others badly. they have a choice. I have had lots of problems related to the abuse I suffered in childhood but i don't take it out on other people. the "residue of abuse" you are talking about is totally real, i just think people have a choice in how to deal with it, esp. as adults. it is a cycle for sure. maybe some biology in it too. i just don't excuse these people. they are too evil and cause too much damage.
@@wordswordswords8203 I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think sociopaths OR psychopaths are insane, they're just different versions of evil. 👍 I wholeheartedly agree that they most certainly have control over their choices and behavior. 🌹🙂👍
13:23 Chris Watts went into great detail about what he packed for his lunch on the morning of the murders (right before he stuffed his kids into oil tanks)... cottage cheese, chicken, etc.
I found that odd too. why go into such trivial detail when there is a full blown crises occurring, Its like the mundane and ordinary meant about as much as murdering his entire family. ate breakfast strangled wife and kids , drove to my job buried wife quickly, checked the oil tanks decided bodies would fit put kids in . went got gas went to work ate lunch went home. oh no where are wife and kids? crazy he was so efficient in the entire process truly terrifying to think how many more Chris Watts type individuals maybe lurking about undetected unsuspected and seemingly normal. I do question if this was always part of his psyche ? i noticed a change from the photos when he was heavier he had more warmth in his eyes looked more approachable and friendly, did the supplements and weight loss contribute to a change in his mind? Of course most will say no this had to be there just waiting to surface. so maybe when he became stimulated by some major event.in rose to the surface. Of course we know that event was his affair with NK and his creepy lust for her.
It's because psychopaths are self centered and vain. What they fixed themselves for lunch that day is important to them. It's all about THEM. Check out www.vainencounters.com for more info (Lisa E. Scott )
I had noticed the issue about movement being used as a distractor, in dealing with my daughters father, when he would be trying to lie about a large issue. It seemed like the bigger the story/ lie he has trying to weave the more motion I would see. In dealing with my mother, she was very unlikely to BOTHER lying to ME, because I was in her power, but I do remember she was very physically active/physically agitated any time I would try to get her to explain why she had always physically hurt me, or was mentally abusive to me. (As a teenager, and young adult, I was always trying to understand why she had always been abusive toward ME ,but not my brother, I needed to understand why I was so unlovable and deserving of her abuse and hatred. I finally learned enough about psychopaths and abusers to no longer question the way she abused me...) This is interesting.
I understand this may be taken as me not actually comprehending your point - but I believe I do understand - but even so, I’ll still ask this because in any instance… whether someone was a psychopath or not a psychopath, & even whether or not I went from not understanding to understanding that as a fact…. I’d still find it reasonable to want to know Why was it ME versus my sibling that got abused?
Oh and yes! I wanted to comment on thes movement! That old adage “beware of shifty characters”! Well is that the truth! Restlessness, inability to stand still when speaking to them… like if they are figured out they’ll run! Lol! They will too if you starting calling them out. They also turn their backs, their face so you can’t see the smile they get when they get your emotions going! The body language experts say the position of the feet tell you a lot about what a person is thinking. One guy that I dated had lied so much online that when I met him in person his leg was I controllably shaking! You have to watch how they cover their movements too, they’ll make excuses for why they can’t stand still and some of the. Are straight out honest that they are nervous. So they do tie about that but yet they still proceed without fear of consequences
I can relate to your experience with your mother. I experienced systematic abuse. I was targeted but not my little sister. Then when confronted with that later on .She would be Very obviously agitated defensive and go between playing victim. To being very hateful with underlying threatening sense or yes more violence . She's gone now. I try to not have resentment towards her. I truly feel it wasn't all even her but sone spiritual there was also Phenomena that can b explained otherwise But it was the most devastating relationship I've ever had. And sadly I was ina few abusive relationships after that. Now I don't ignore red flags or ever take for granted that a seemingly perfect relationship is simply being love bombed in order to get my trust and defense down.
Really interesting discussion. What comes across to me is the subtlety and mastery of the psychopath's use of language to achieve his or her ends. I have talked with a young adult with antisocial personality disorder and I couldn't work out how their conversation seemed to trap me. It was like I was going down the rabbit hole in the story 'Alice in Wonderland'. Now I see a bit more how this might have been working if they are able to do things like distancing with their tenses etc.
+Jo Fox I was married to a psychopath. Of course back then we knew nothing about them and I had never heard of personality disorders. I knew something was wrong but couldn't put my finger on it in the early days, but discussions went nowhere and everything wrong in the relationship was my fault! I went to counselors and marriage guidance but they had no idea either what I was dealing with.
Would be an interesting experiment to have a knowledgeable third party observe the interaction next time, either in person or via videotape. Not being engaged in the conversation themselves, they could probably spot the red flag moments.
Didn’t realize this possible connection until the introduction of, “Erica”... ...as he notes her success at CNN, is connected to his brilliant tutelage.
jordan peterson is one of them ;) I studied psyhology , not that many. Psyhology attracts mostly women who score lower on narcissism and psychopathy , so statiscally you'll get less of them in psychology... but it is interesting that most psychology teachers or psychology "stars" are males when they make up 10 to 20 % of the students. I'd look that way, it would be an intersting study .
@@backintimealwyn5736 How is Peterson a psychopath? Dude fell into a deep dark depression with his wife's terminal cancer diagnosis. I think she's actually recovering so not quite terminal. Not once have I seen evidence of him not having empathy. What makes you say this? I'm not trolling or starting a flame war, I'm genuinely curious for what you consider as evidence.
@@daleowens7695 I don't know, it was a joke. They are stuff I like about the guy, he's kind of brave, it's a quality I tend to like, he stands for what he believes ,and the people he cares for (lindsay for ecemple) I like that. BUt some of what he says is not rooted in science at all yet he claims he's on factual science's side. I don't like this double language it seems pretty manipulative to me. And he talks a lot about himself , his IQ, his work , he seems a bit grandiose and deceptive. But honestly I have no clue, it was just a joke.
As a hypnotist who spent 3 years working closely with a covert narcissist you might want to look real close to the hypnosis thing. He was better at it than I am in a very natural way.
I’ve been surrounded by coverts and overts all my life. Yes I agree with this 100%. Once you start talking to these people you are at their mercy. The only way not to be manipulated is to not communicate at all, no eye contact, nothing.
this talk was veeery interesting! but the comments here are weird...who cares how the speaker talked?! it matters *what* he was saying, not *how* he was saying it...this was as far as I understood a talk for professionals..he didn't need to get people exited about the matter, they're all already interested..
+Adina V You have a good point there, but I actually find it interesting both what he said and how he said it. I'm interested in body linguistic and sociologic aspects too, and besides, If you analyze how he talks, you might discover that he is a psychopath. (I guess some kind of emoji or smiley would have been appropriate here to underline the joke, but I don't use those signs despite my interest in sociology and linguistics). "...but the comments here are weird", yeah, I agree on that...and I think my comment kinda confirms that statement. (Another suitable emoji here).
+thank god for atheists if you're interested in body linguistics and "social aspects", try some shrooms/ psilocybin or LSD, guaranteed inner mind experience. It gave me beautiful insides about our "existence".
+Snedder V. Thanks for the advice, but I've already tried that, it didn't work, the only thing that happened was that I got really high and wrote a weird comment on youtube (see above).
+Alice Cotti Maybe I am, but it's more likely you are a psychopath - this conversation into consideration - because one of the hallmarks of the psychopath is that it accuses its "opponent" in a very certain tone, of things that have no evidence. So far; you have qualified perfectly to that description.
Very helpful for victims. Especially considering until recently there was no death penalty. Knowing the thief, attempted murderer, fraud, rapist is going to get out is depressing if you aren’t prepared.
I had the misfortune of befriending a straight psychopath, it took me forever to figure it out. I'm not going to lie, but once you have the courage to tell yourself the truth. It becomes painfully obvious, I decided to pretend like he was someone who never spoke, and just take his actions at face value, and when you do that, and don't make excuses. Just look at the actions not one off but consistent year after year after year actions it paints a picture a picture that I noticed no one else could see, but thankfully one other mutual friend of ours caught on and I began piecing it together, that something is truly wrong. See I had my suspicion, but he's such a coward I thought it couldn't be true, but then one day he crossed the line and I had to fight him. I easily dominated him but there was something so odd about the fact that he was completely un phased like had no emotional reaction to the fact that we just had a fight. And, then I started to learn about psychopaths in the military and why the truth is they're actually worthless in battle they only care about themselves and are only interested in the weak they routinely avoid helping others in danger which is what war is. They look for the very weak they aren't outwardly bold like I expected. He comes across very meek and mild mannered everyone thinks he's sweet. and, when given some thought you begin to realize it's the perfect disguise. Because I know what he does I know the sick disgusting things he regularly does without fear. And, that's when I realized he doesn't fear altercation he just doesn't participate unless victory is certain just like a reptile goes for the kids and the injured. It's not an emotional decision it's purely economic. I realized the only emotion I've ever seen him show is contempt that he's careful to keep to himself. once put into context his actions reveal him completely, everywhere I've ever taken him he's the least threatening person, never responds to aggression it's only his actions and his never ending lies that have revealed him to me. I am no saint myself, and I think he found what he believed is a kindered spirit, but I have come to understand why I acted the way I did it was all highly emotional and neurotic action. His was completely calculated, and as you get older you mature and no longer even have a desire to break the law, (most adults stop committing crime at 28 due to testosterone leveling etc) But he kept on no matter how big the risk, he kept violating parole, kept doing the same crimes completely sure he would never get caught again, and I had to accept who he is. See i always thought I was the bad one but slowly I realized I had an emotional block, I was making this friend someone he simply wasn't. He's constantly proclaiming how he could never hurt anyone, he couldn't even hurt a fly he would claim, now I know what that really means it's camouflage it's their way of hiding. And, it's hard to admit you've been duped it's hard to admit your capable of being decieved for so long. I hope people realize they're not quite as obvious as you think. There's a lot of misdiagnosis going on these people aren't actually sad or angry they're trying on emotions like a coat. Remember they don't want to be caught they will 100% not reveal themselves. So don't expect some movie style shit expect a constant stream of excuses from someone who everyone knows "would never do something like that" that's who they are.
Cobra, dude. You're first message was actually really interesting and I'm glad you took the time to share but WHY did you take it to the place you did with the pissing imagery?! Cmon
@@AS-gz8oe You're right it was petulant of me, I regret it now, since I have no way of knowing what psychological or mental state the other person was in. There's no telling what lense he was viewing my writing through. Perhaps he's had experiences where people cry wolf just for attention, and just had a visceral reaction to my post. I'll try to be more cognizant of this in the future. I'll probably delete it but, it's mildly humorous to me, and It will make yours, and his comments make no sense. So just letting you know in advance.
Answering the question posed at around 17:00 :The difference between sociopath and psychopath is primarily one of a differentiation in the "theater of operations". The same individual will exhibit similar behavior across all expressions of self.The terms psychopath and the sociopath describe a single and same modality as that modality is applied to individual interpersonal relationships versus group dynamics. This is a very informative video.I have always said that the choice of one word over another can speak volumes to the ear which can hear.
Sociopath is not a recognised term in psychology. Anyone who uses it doesn't understand the complexity of cat 2 psychopaths. Including this guy who spends his life gaining research from murderers and then building his views from the most troubled psychopaths. Makes no sense
Count me on the "no possible treatment" side of the controversy, at least for those with antisocial personality disorder. I have witnessed daily two psychopaths for over ten years. Over all the incidents, treated by every possible agency, they only use the knowledge gained to find a new opportunity to do damage against the people they blame--their victims.
@@thewolf14 I think at some point, like 25,000 years ago, psychopathy/sociopathy was a valuable trait in those small tribes. I mean, someone that lacks fear and gets pleasure from violence? That makes a kick ass hunter and warrior. And they would've adapted to keeping relationships with those in their tribe. Not from any real sense of community or love. It was just vital to stay alive. Today, it's pretty useless - in fact, detrimental in the damage they can do. The fact that it can be genetic, and that it causes different structures in their brains than the general population, tells the story that its a trait that's been around a long time. It just hasn't been bred out. Yet. Hopefully, as the idea and education of these conditions gets out there, people can just avoid them.
I concur. I don't believe that psychopaths are mentally ill any more than I believe that a wolf is a sick dog. The wolf does what a wolf naturally does; it is not sick, but you wouldn't want to keep it in your home.
Mary, traditional therapy techniques do indeed backfire, but there ARE approaches that can be successful...at influencing, managing and reforming these types. Take heart.
DSM-IV discarded psychopathy as a diagnosis. Hare (inventor of PCL and PCL-R was in on the Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) field trials for DSM-IV. Hare &Hart (1995) expressed concern that by combining Psychopathy with APD in DSM-IV “ensures that some clinicians will continue to believe” the two diagnoses are the same.
Also as a researcher, I agree with John Redberg. And I’d like to add that the researchers didn’t seem to take in consideration that interviewing imprisoned psychopaths has influence on what a psychopath talks about. For example, the researchers concluded that psychopaths do not talk much about their family. But when a psychopath is in free contact with family and others, he talks a lot about the conflicts he has with his family, his visions on ideal love, women he considers his ideal to have a relationship with etcetera. That certain words are repetitive in the spoken language of psychopaths is because psychopaths brainwash other people and can only do so by repeating a lot of their sentences over and over again. Not only certain words. It is accurate that psychopaths, while brainwashing others, often use words like “because”, but they use them in misleading sentences. In their contacts with others they use a self fulfilling prophecy. For instance, as evidence of the presence of psychopathic characteristic 15, they constantly change the rules of behaviour that they want their victims to obey. Because they are malicious, they do so without informing the victim the rules have changed. In that way the victim always fails their rules and the psychopath ensures himself to have reason to use verbal or physical violence to punish the victim. So, just the observation that a person uses the word “because” a lot, is not a reason to suggest someone can be a psychopath. In reality, psychopath language shows in every sentence that the psychopath speaks in reflection of the 20 psychopath characteristics of Robert Hare, including his paranoid underground of thinking. To find the patters in which the psychopath uses his 20 characteristics in each sentence one should analyse, determine and compare repetitions (as sign of brainwashing), his shown hypocrisy in emotions (characteristic 1), his shown exaggeration and way he looks upon himself (characteristic 2) shown sorts of deceit (characteristic 4), shown humiliation and self-undermining of himself and his victims (characteristic 10), shown behaviour rules, appointments and pressure (characteristic 15) shown sorts of antagonistic defamation (characteristic 16) etcetera and the combination of those in his sentences. The language of a psychopath has a form of deceit in practically every sentence which often only can be found by comparing it to later sentences he speaks or analysing the imagery he uses in comparison with effects he claims the imagery has. Therefore, the identifications these researchers use are too far away from what a psychopath is and does and will likely identify people as psychopaths, who have no psychopath characteristics at all.
This came up beside a Soundgarden video in my suggestions. I thought we were going to analyze Chris Cornell's lyrics, inevitably coming to the conclusion that he was a psychopath.
there are two kinds of people who say they don't believe in right and wrong: 1) folks who are sticking up for the psychopaths they depend on for food/shelter/attention in their everyday lives 2) folks who are psychopaths and fear being exposed as such
I worked in a medium security with Inmate diagnose with personality disorder as a broad term. I watch them manipulate staff and be manipulated by their fellow inmates. Every thing is based and deception. They are easily offended when they are not being praised. Every interesting conversations... I grew a lot from my interaction with them and I understand how they affect people.... Standard treatments were violence reduction... but its true that they learned the language and try to use it back to out smart professional
Yes. the thing is though when you really understand them, it's easy to just never never trust them or believe anything that comes out of their mouth. Period. No second chance, they will never change. Assume they are always lying because 99 % of the time they are.
No kidding! I am also a forensic psychologist (PhD), currently in a PsyD program for licensure - and I am a Cornell alumnus. Those I have interviewed describe their crimes as if they were describing how to disassemble a firearm, (literally) cool as a cucumber, kinda monotone in many cases. Oh! But where he is wrong is where he states that they generally lack self-actualization as pertains to Maslow&Rodgers’ hierarchy of needs. Many are high-functioning; I would estimate 50-70%. Furthermore, even with the most recent version of the PCL-R, it is no longer a true representation of Hare’s original checklist... and good luck getting the full truth and not being toyed with by many of these. Research idea! Here you go thesis-seekers. Per my own experience as an interviewer of psychopaths, their associative memory is surprisingly sharp. This is why you got a lot of garble about meals, how much gas they needed to drive to the scene of the crime, how much that roll of duct tape from Home Depot cost that they used to bind the victim before they murdered, and only then....the descriptions of performing their ritual and staged their scene (if applied). There is a reserve question with clear implication that contributes to society and the body of research.
I wonder if a non psychopath could learn the psychopath language and how it would effect a psychopath talking to them in their own language. The most effective treatment is bars and walls
@ They're weak. It is a fallacy that they are leaders. They might be position-holders. But not leaders. The best leaders are not psychopaths. They are a minority of CEO's. Most strong people (such as make up leaders) are normal, not abnormal.
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@@chefEmersonWilliams Psychopathy is proving NOT to be an aberrational personality type at all, but a set of behavioural traits that most of us exhibit from time to time without much of an issue. The wealth of data we have on psychopaths, whilst extensive, is fundamentally flawed because the vast majority of subjects available to study are dysfunctionally diagnosed psychopaths, or people convicted of horribly violent crimes. Shit, we even go through a late puberty stage of psychopathy. Developmental studies show that among otherwise normal 15-25 year old males, the behavioural flag traits for psychopathy are all actively ringing the kind of bells that if somebody more mature, say from age 35 onwards was displaying, and they were picked up on by Psych Doctors or Police, they'd be involuntarily admitted to a secure psych ward for careful observation. The reason these young men aren't diagnosed as psychopaths, is that it seems we grow out of it, like a phase. But we don't grow out of it at all. We learn how to sublimate these traits into our character, and use our increased self awareness (hopefully) to assimilate our psychopathic urges into proportionately acceptable pursuits. And those who for whatever reason cannot manage to do that, are the ones we get to run clinical psychopathy tests on. But would you run the Druze test on Rabbits who were already blind? "Man, know thyself" ~ inscribed above the entrance to the Delphic Oracle, and attributed to Pythia..
@@shutdown8947 Gotten to communicate with some psychopaths recently who are not criminals and in some ways have the advantage of not carrying around a lot of emotional baggage.
I find serious concerns over using these methods to find psychopaths- so many factors could play a factor in why someone doesn’t speak much about family and why they speak more about food and ‘things’ that are not due to being a psychopath. Age, trends, upbringing, family circumstances, popularity or lack of popularity- someone who felt bullied in school by wealthy kids could place more importance on wealth and material things; someone who doesn’t have a strong family connection may feel sadness or hurt when speaking of family, so they learned not to.
@@lizando9481 Unnecessarily rude. They have a legitimate concern and it does need to be taken into account. So, if a person just has one of these things doesn't make them a psycopath the overall picture is more important for a diagnosis.
I noticed that too, at the start, when he mentions about the uhmm's and so on. I thought...well...he does the same. Also, he talks a lot, but is not saying nothing really indepth. Also..., i see a light smirk on his face. Disturbing really...
There is also the issue of psychopaths learning how to consciously modify their language to evade detection, once this technology becomes known about in the public eye.
Probably not worth worrying about. These language habits are likely so ingrained that they can't be easily modified except in the most superficial of ways.
psychopaths have to 'evade detection' because of our hysteria over them. just like gays and autistics, you can't be weird in our society, everyone's got to pretend to be normal. when it's a gay lad trying not to get beaten up we don't blame the lad, we blame society for being intolerant. but when it's the big bad psychopath doing his best to avoid getting killed we call it his devious machiavellian nature. o they're clever, those psychopaths. they're literally the devil
This is super interesting! I love your video! Thank you for posting this. After dealing with a malignant narcissist for years and now learning about it, I see the psychopathic language he used. He was very focused on the lower levels, as your research supports. This is the kind of stuff that should be taught to kids in high school to prepare them for life situations with psychopathic individuals. As our society moved further and further from in person socialization, it seems we are producing more malignant type behaviours such as psychopathy. Thank you again. I learned a lot!
The past is full of psychopaths, and not just men but women also! Bloody Mary had alot of people put to death and there was a Hungarian Royal that use to put on gauntlets with metal claws and carve up virgin girls and bathe in their blood. There were many women rulers who murdered millions of people if you think there were no female nazis guess again. The female serial killer in TX who the movie Monster was made after admitted to lying about the rapes and said her motivation for murdering the men was money to support her girlfriend and the thrill of the kill plus she didn't want any witnesses.
🤨... teach budding psychopaths during high school how to hone their game? I'm sure if there were an effective curriculum for identifying those who by definition won't admit they are what they are it would be out there. I would love to know how to teach youth about something that trained psychotherapists often run screaming from. What about the four-year-old girl who smothers babies just because she feels like it, or it's fun for her? Wait until highschool? The only real solution is for people to stop making babies they do not want.
Argh those "Function Words" are very telling! I never had a name for it before, so thank you for highlighting this aspect of a general conversation with your everyday psychopath/sociopath. I always wondered how I could always spot one without always realising their speech patterns!
I love the attempt to be as neutral and non-judgemental as possible, given how strong the urge is as a human to let emotions take over. They're really trying. It's like, you have to understand what's going on in order to be able to maybe find some solutions. It seems we're in the early stages of that, and they're giving their best shot with what they have. It might lead nowhere, it might not, but this - getting to the roots of issues, understanding them, and from then on try and find ways to make things better - is what progress is all about.
Being neutral and non-judgemental about psychopaths is naive and ignorant. I've always maintained that the one thing the world REALLY needs isn't electric cars, it isn't clean energy, it isn't reduced pollution and better efficiency. It's organized mass-slaughter. The world has plenty of psychopaths, and the only real, effective, final solution to the psychopath problem is to kill EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM. Holocaust-style.
Psychopaths: Goal oriented. Inflicting pain, (unless that's part of The Goal) is not prioritized. If pain/ distress inflicted as biproduct of attaining goal, that is of no concern to psychopath. Sociopaths: Feed off infliction of emotional distress. More disorganized, reactionary. Inflicting pain & distress *is* the motivational factor of the Sociopath. Both capeable of cold empathy, logistical only to better serve assimilation & manipulation tactics. Both are subcategories of Malignant Narcissism.
As a scientist, I see a few questionable points in their methodology that would require more clarification. 1. It appears this was not a "double blind" study. The authors conjectured what the outcome of the study would be, and one of the co-authors (the guy on the phone) was performing the interviews and knew beforehand which of the individuals were psychopaths. Even unconsciously, this may bias the interview ("trying to find what you're looking for"). 2. The sample group is extremely small, and there were half the number of psychopaths than non-psychopaths. 3. They used automated statistical language analysis tools, which typically have a failure rate of 10-20%.
Maybe so, but linguistic abnormalities have been consistently identified in psychopaths. I agree that, given the objections you raised, more replications should be done. But the results aren't really doubtful.
Look at the bright side. Psychoanalysis is getting some validation using computational methods. Of course the model comes from psychotherapy, but they can see if there's consistency. Has that already been done? I have no idea.
Yes, this has nothing to do with science, they are pitching the wonders of dragnet surveillance. His comment on his "work for intelligence agencies" should have been the biggest clue. Serial killers aren't under the purview of the CIA or any other intelligence agency. Notice how he extols the wonders of collecting text messages, the problem of getting a fire-hose of messages to sift through, then catches himself and says, "Well we asked people for their last 20 messages." Yeah right you mouthbreather you went out and got consent from individuals to hand over their last 20 messages individually and that constitutes a firehose. This whole thing is sickening, don't people see what is going on? Well we gotta stop serial killers. When was the last time you heard of a serial killer? For me I think it was the early 2000s, haven't heard of them since, funny how that is ain't it? Seems like in the 80s and 90s we had one every week, and now nada. They already have the tools they need to stop serial killers. This is about devising some unpublished super secret test that tells them that you are a danger to society and that there is no hope of treatment for you long before you ever commit a crime, and it won't be serial killers, it will be dissidents they use this on.
I would like to see more on detecting nonviolent but manipulative psychopaths in everyday life. 85% of psychopaths are not in prison, and those are the ones who affect the rest of us the most.
Look to politics, especially federal level. This is where a large chunk of that 85% can be found and observed. It is not unusual to see them moving between both populations though (the 15% and the 85%).
Literally spring up off the floor and reach over my strawberry yogurt to turn up the volume about how psychopaths like to describe what they eat- At times- After committing a crime- So extremely interesting- Diversion- Strawberry is not my favorite- Although it's probably most popular- I didn't do anything-
No doubt these researchers owe a lot to Robert Hare, who developed the checklist that was mentioned. His life is very interesting and someone should write a biography of Hare, or he would write autobiography.
This is so very eye opening and interesting. I have someone in my life from a few years ago that had so many of these characteristics and this program has helped immensely. Thank you.
Narcissist gives intermittent reward ; sociopaths have an emotional barrenness and delight in of how much they can deplete their prey without reward, (imho) It is candidly sadistic.
Fascinating discussion. Taught me so much that is very very useful. Mainstream culture is deeply imbued with psychopathy today. The manipulation we face in all guises and forms is phenomenal. A direct approach to deception is what all normal & decent need to develop.
Mainstream culture does seem narcissistic, psychopathic, and the lying manipulation we face today is so unbelievable, most of us don't know how to react, or how to address lies and censorship of actual life saving truths. Your comment, Romi Dogra, made me think of Camille Vasquez's cross examination of Amber Heard. Amber was rattled when confronted with the unvarnished truth of her lies. The best approach to lies is direct, simple, statement of truth, without giving in to the myriad of distractions meant to mislead.
Not very mysterious. Almost 2 entire generations were raised in daycare now. End of story. Minimum wage workers who usually can't stand kids. No empathy experienced at such a crucial stage in life. Seems obvious to me. World, raise your own kids. Teach them love. Teach them empathy. These are not innate traits. Compare this to sensory deprivation in Eastern European nations in orphanages. Not a far cry considering the epidemic of psychopathy around the world. Occam's Razor or K.I.S.S
@@happygolucky9986 interesting view point, I worked as a teacher at a daycare, I was about 42. You do get all types of personalities and interesting characters. Most were loving n caring, majority of the time and many were good at their jobs. I saw more dysfunction in the parents, leaving their children, It really starts at home. Appreciate your comment. ✌️
Prof. Woodworth, Thank you for educating everyone on here. I find your lectures to be very informative and to the point. We all are familiar or know someone like that I believe. For me, its one of my grandfathers who had psychopathic tendencies. He enjoyed dehumanizing myself at 7 and my half brother who was 13 by physical/verbal means. Made both of us cry. Enjoys putting us in dangerous situations for his amusement only. Actually was quite capable of telling the truth too, when asked. He was a concentration camp victim/ World War II orphan. Other grandparents who were also born during the same time period mid 1930's just didn't behave like that.
Lots of people will give you long explanations of the difference between psychopaths, sociopaths, and antisocial personality disorder. They often conflict, and really don't matter. It seems to be mostly a fashion thing.
@ The DSMs represent a combination of current fashion, and what insurance will cover. They shuffle symptoms and naming conventions around from one edition to another in ways that may or may not be helpful.
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@@ernststravoblofeld I understand the process well. The changes reflect a shift from the political strength in the mental health disciplines from neo-Freudians to behaviorists. I'm and old man with two degrees in psychology, and my father was a psychologist. I remember when B.F. Skinner declared that consciousness was an "epiphenomenon." What the behaviorists did was remove ALL references to mental processes, hence the change to the DSM over time.
@@ernststravoblofeld so DSMs have no scientific value at all in your eyes? I feel like the insurance industry wouldn't pay out for anything that didn't have scientific value and was merely "fashion"...
Worked as a private hire driver for a while and the worst people I had the misfortune to carry were professors from the medical faculty of my local Russell Group University. Horrible snobs who were obviously on the psychopathic spectrum. Nasty! Think Victorian grave robbers/body snatchers and you will be close.
Same exoedience with professors in the medical field in university hospitals. Totally devoid of empathy, comprehention, arrogant, cold...and more. I feel what you say and i get the shivers. I allways say...they feel like Dr. Mengele.
A woman I once knew told me a story over lunch that at age 6 her brother was kicked out of a school they both attended because he was a congenital liar, but she wasn't kicked out b/c she was so bad at lying that she never lied. Later in life she left her marriage of 10 years and three kids to marry a man worth over $ 30 mil and 40 years her senior. To prove to him she wasn't in it for the money she took a job working for a man who once told me that when he walked on Cuba's beaches 13 and 14 year old girls would pull his blank for a dollar. He was a racketeer (legal advisor was his title) to bureaucrats and politicians. He relished stalking and ruining his ex-employees - no one who left his co. ever got a legal job again. It was weird to watch these two things interact.
My ex-husband went to Cornell. He got his Ph.D at Northwestern University. He worked as a Nuclear Physicist for the Navy. He used to have trouble expressing emotions until the Navy hired him as a contract scientist. His psychiatrist tried for a year to get him in touch with his emotional self & it sort of worked but was going slow. The Navy asked him to do something for them, and it brought back all his emotions in a rush. He got so upset about their request that he took himself off the project. He never DID tell me what they wanted him to do.
I feel your words.... My story is similar. I had a dog. Who used to play with everyone. One day. It decided to play, with car. It survived. And didn't want to play with cars. Ever since.
Has anyone studied psychopaths in the police, prosecutor, judge and court workers? It seems these people have a degree of psychopathy which attracts them to the profession and gives them insight into criminals, but also tempts them to commit small digressions and crimes themselves through their job.
People have studied psychopathy in authority for decades. The conclusion they reached was that a whole lot of them were psychopaths themselves, and even the ones that weren't had a high incidence of malignant narcissism. Massive Ego + Low Conscientiousness = Authority
I dated a psychopath for 6 years. He was a personality chameleon. Everybody liked him because he was taking on the personality of everyone he was talking to right away. He was quiet, very polite and he always knew where his read line was with everybody. He was leading a double life for a couple of years. He faked having cancer. He took unnecessary risks and didn’t learn anything. And one thing I didn’t know about psychopath is that they make you feel very sorry about them. He cried a lot at the right time. That’s how they get you. They know how empathy works even if they can’t feel it.
thats a tremendous insight and from your very own experiences..hope you recovered and prospered..best wishes for you...from the UK ⚘
Psychopaths are narcissists
But not all narcissists are psychopaths
What’s crazy too is the business world is abuzz with “emotional intelligence” but essentially what they mean by that is learning how to MANIPULATE others using their emotions! It’s great to use actual empathy infused emotional intelligence-but that’s not what they’re Yao get it for
*using it for (auto correct got me :)
Sounds alot like a covert narcissist .
I knew a psychopath who would say he saw everyone as either preditor or prey. He also told me he had no idea what it was like to feel fear. He was really good at telling half truths so you could never really catch him in a lie. He told just enough truth. He was completely without empathy and remorse and yet could charm anyone and make you beleive he was the nicest guy on the planet. He fooled many, even local police.
My Nomad Live, I know someone just like him. He knows I can see right through him. He's even unconsciously put his hand over his mouth when I had him rattled. He's very quick-witted and everyone thinks he's such a nice guy.
He goes to church on Sundays. He's a pathological liar, but no one besides myself ever seemed to pick up on it.
Sounds like Trump and Stephen Miller.
well I have to ask, What brought this person to light, meaning how is it that you all know now that he is what he is?
Statistics show that 1% of all adults fit the psychopath personality which would equate to approximately 3,200,000 individuals in the US. Interesting thought??
My Nomad Live - that’s terrifying ☹️
one of the saddest things about this is that even very intelligent people can be fooled. That is because most people have been taught to trust others to some degree. Psychopaths have a huge advantage, because they know this.
It's so easy to take advantage of others when you have no moral compass.
@dani cali Yep, "nobody would do that". Or believing they made a mistake or dumb error though it was on purpose. And then after giving them the benefit of the doubt too many times it's too late.
Though I don't want to experience real EVIL again, I wouldn't erase what it did to my outlook and understanding.
@@jamesandrews568 Hello, I read your dialogue with dani cali here, in a similar sort of boat probably. Have to find a way out and a solution, and it is difficult, since they are many, in power positions and are skilled at machiavellianism.
Have you managed to solve your situation or/and got help to heal from it? It sounds as though it has passed.
Did you also not get real help or even dedicated interest and believed from friends, family, acquaintances? How did you manage? If you have some ways, thóughts, ideas, advice, please write.
I have sought physical and psychical treatment without success yet.
I Want my life now.
We all trust people all through life eg. Doctors teachers your bank police life would be terrible if we didn't trust.
@@Medietos I had meant to respond to you previously and I forgot. If there's anything you need or want to know I can give you my email or you can ask here.
I will answer you to the best of my ability and I do have time.
It would bother me to know that a decent person needed help and wasn't ok.
@@jamesandrews568 How come you didn't really answer my Qs, if you are willing to? I can't re-do the work in this dire situation which I suggested, there has to be meaning and progression in a conversation. I know some feel suppoerted by any old contact; i don't at thi spoint.
If you need spome counselling yourself in order to want to engage in me a bit, please ask. Not that I really can/ should go on helping others now, before I managed to turn my situation away from.....the end of it all..
Maybe you couldn't read my comment again, although they don't usually disappear far down until many have posted and long time has passed...
I asked 3-6 Qs.
I encountered so many gas lighting psychopaths I decided to become a loner and live as a basic life as I can. I maybe very bored now but at least it is peaceful.
All those people calling the speaker boring have obviously never been to college.
Well... this is below college level.
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@@Evan-ke2lo This is a Cornell University professor, so, yeah, this is college. College professors are not there to entertain, they are there to teach.
@@FreeSpirit47 Of course, but one should think a psychologist'd be extra aware of the teaching situation psychologically, how learning is affected by thriving and positive stimulation. Who talks of entertainment?. But good if you are content with it. He certainly seems very amused talking about psychopaths.
@Tom Johnson I got a lot out of this. Also, my friends & family are doing quite well with their professions using the knowledge from their field of study in college. Most recently, a 26 year old Mechanical Engineer who just started on her career making a 6 figure income with a fantastic benefit package just starting out. It's true that some college grads are less successful. All of the college grads that I know, personally, are doing phenomenally well.
Psychopaths pretend to be a victim of the person or persons they are victimizing.
If it suits their purpose.
@ _"We decide to become victims."_
Someone who has the freedom to walk out of an abusive relationship, and knows they do, and has the emotional strength to do so... maybe decides. Guess what? That describes almost no one.
@ _"people need to be taught"_
...and if no one's taught them, it's somehow their own fault. I see.
@@StefanTravis What I said, was "Sometimes, people need to be taught where they're going wrong" . . . . Where YOU went wrong, was taking part of a sentence out of context, then implying that I was apportioning blame, when I clearly wasn't. You seem to think that teaching someone how to get past a pathological behavioural issue is a bad thing.
@ _"You seem to think that teaching someone how to get past a pathological behavioural issue is a bad thing."_
Obviously not. Stop trying to derail the thread.
The point you're trying to dodge is your glibertarian position that victimhood is a lifestyle choice.
I listened as I’m attempting to understand my psychopathic mother who abused me on a scale only a few know. Most but not all of the same applies for a female psychopath. From my experience she’s completely absent of any empathy even for her own biological children, grooms them to be her little brainwashed soldiers to do her dirty work while destroying them in the process almost without awareness of her actions, it comes natural to her. She thrives off of exerting extreme power and control over everyone around her to use for her sadistic and selfish needs as well as material gain. The first time I ever saw my mother cry is when I was 12 years old I told her “no.” She used emotion to try to guilt me into burning down one of her rental houses for insurance fraud. Before I escaped her grasp after 33 years I would have jumped off a bridge if she would have told me to do it. They know how to distort your mind and reality.
I grew up with the same mother. Her violence physical and emotional was profound, I have DID aka multiple personalities that is not what you see on tv or movies. It's much more of an internal shift in personhood perspectives of someone who carries awareness of specific events and content is hidden from the primary host of this physical body. We are all aware of five or six incidences as they began but with the escalation of the violence fragmenting occurs and I myself have no memory whatsoever of entire acts of harm. .I think that portions of some of us in our system characters have forms of cluster b or ASPD and psychopathy. This woman even planned in the first weeks of my life to make it difficult to prove thatI existed in the first place and secondarily that it would surface in adulthood that I do not exist having no official proof I exist. It did surface, it was devastating and I would have gone to my grave not able to identify what caused what played out EXCEPT that I accidently discovered her crime when I applied for my passport. I'd had a passport s a child as a dependent so the info on me wasn't searched being a six year old. The passport HEAD person was called in to help figure out what was going on. SHE had never filed my birth certificate and intended to cause my death but each time fell short of the mark. I'd like the file charges at this point if I knew how and had the funds to hire lawyers. I've had eight-nine years of therapy to heal where possible. Good luck on your healing path.
Imagine spawning kids in to have someone to torture. Super psycopathic move.
Terrible, but how does this relate to linguistic patterns?
@@MegaTinni Hi psychopath!!!
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After years,of teaching prosocial skills to children from early childhood through the 5th grade, especially anti-bullying protocols, we were stunned to learn of peer reviewed, replicated research which showed that for children with antisocial tendencies (bullies or emergent bullies), teaching prosocial skills actually made the children better bullies. This is related to the fact that people who display antisocial tendencies don’t internalize observed emotions in others, but use those observed emotions to try to fit in and appear “normal” when engaging with others, and definitely to manipulate others.
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Aren’t you in that profession that makes parents give their kids legal meth so they’ll sit still because you can’t figure out anyway to engage them? Tell me please how bullying parents to give their kids drugs is somehow not bullying.
Every state in the US has international investments to fund their teachers’ retirements. Do you have any idea if the companies in your portfolio are prosocial or antisocial? I’m guessing most of them are antisocial, and technically could be regarded as serial killers.
Are you aware that public school teachers are paid through a government that takes money based solely on the fact that they have guns. And yet you wanna train kids to not bully? Really? Maybe they’re just reflecting what they’re seeing in the adults around them.
See, the reason the kids don’t listen to or respect you is because they have a built-in hypocrisy detector. The reason they don’t sit still for you is because they don’t trust you because you’re dissociated and they can see that. The response of your profession to their own shortcomings (“drug the kids”) *is* bullying. I for one would like to hear from people who have holistic and consistent internal moral values, not psychologists and teachers.
An integrated person has both of those qualities and can also say no to authority. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that because you entered a conformist and obedience, oriented profession, you struggle with this type of higher-level integration. That’s alright. The struggle to live up to our values is part of what makes us human. My concern for you is that you probably don’t know that there are values involved in what you’re doing at all. For example, it’s fairly obvious that the public schools were used to push women into the workforce so that companies could get a two for one deal on their employee pay. If you want to fix ADHD, which is a cultural problem, you need to go back and fix that mistake. Of course, that would mean quitting your job, but then at least you wouldn’t be living off the antisocial aggression of government bullies.
When I was in school being around, my teachers often felt like walking on eggshells. After knowing teachers as an adult, that now makes me wonder if they were all narcissists.
Do you see what I mean? Your a basic assumptions (that normal is desirable, for example, or that opinion polls suddenly becomes scientific because a psychologist categorized the responses) are absurd and unsupportable.
And somebody really needs to do a deep dive into the antisocial underpinnings of feminist-oriented, professions’ hatred of men. I’m gonna go out on another limb here and suggest that at least a couple of your students are worried about your husband. I’m just basing that observation on my memory of being a kid, but I remember it pretty vividly. That’s probably why I empathize with kids instead of desiring to boss them around and make them conform to my opinion of what an adult should be. They don’t need your eighth grade opinion of what an adult should be.
How do I know that you probably have an eighth grade opinion of what an adult should be. The exact same way that you form opinions about people too. The data suggest that if your average you watch 3 to 4 hours of TV a day. The programming on television is targeted to an eighth grade audience, because that’s the average. If you watch commercial TV for 3 to 4 hours because it engages you . . . Just know that your eighth grade brain is finding it extremely compelling for a reason.
Why do you think so many shootings happen at schools? For the exact same reason that killer whales go nuts when they’re in prison at Seaworld.
And that’s your queue to go, “Oh, he had oppositional defiance disorder.” Because there’s a diagnosis for everything that you don’t like. Well, that’s a pretty nifty little system if you’re an authoritarian, isn’t it?
So, unfortunately, the next time the kid goes into a public school to do violence, just know that they’re mirroring what they’re saying in the adults around them, and they’re probably the most influenced by the people they spend the most around of time with, which is their teachers. So, who in the world do you think they’re learning that violence and force is effective from? I would guess it’s probably from the teachers, social workers, and psychologists around them who live off the violence our government does.
How can you of all people in good faith, and with a holistic sense of self, accuse others of manipulating people. Next to prisons, I can’t think of a more manipulative system than the public school system. I’m sorry to be the one to say this, but it’s most likely the reason you don’t see the contradiction between your behavior and practice is that you’ve been thoroughly propagandized to accept the contradiction is just normal. And isn’t normal psychology really the problem? After all, what is the normal state of the world?
Yeah, not interested in being normal on your terms.
From the root comes the fruit. Do yourself a favor and look up “the smile room” on Google then quit your job. And for God’e sake, would you please stop manufacturing schizophrenics and school shooters? (When the kids in your classroom are savvy enough to know that prescription drugs are just operationalized MK ultra, which will be general knowledge in the next few years among young kids, it’s probably time for you to retire. They’re on to you.
Just like on The Sopranos!
Generally, everyone tries to fit in and appear normal. I’ve also been both the bully and the victim in childhood, depending on the circumstances of my environment and inner growth (or lack of it). I think there are too many variables in the developmental stages of childhood to use as a determining factor in promoting pro-social behavior or not. Everyone needs social skills, even at the risk of arming potential psychopaths with camouflage. If you are teaching positive behavior in any form then you are raising the bar for all and contributing to their quality of life, regardless of who may choose to manipulate those lessons for personal gain at the expense of others.
With compassion and integrity, all we may do is plant the seeds.
We cannot know or control if they grow into flowers or weeds.
Do yo think they learned it from their parents/family?
This was fascinating. Someone who is academically well versed and doesn't only care about presentation, but the substance is tremendously well thought . :)
My thoughts exactly!!
Watch how people treat the powerless around them...children, waiters, dogs... Best way to spot a psychopath...
Jennifer McClean and Narcissists also
Not true, well not 100% true. I have a degree in Criminal Psychology. I've read and I was fortunate enough to meet "Psychopaths" myself. Some (not all) psychopaths dont hurt animals. Some of them consider animals ( dogs, cats, horses etc) are the only beings that they can deal with or understand. I could go on but I think you got the point. Psychopaths come in all different shapes and sizes and they all have different paths in life. Psychopaths are not as easy as ppl think. This is also a very old lecture, at least 10 years if not longer. The science has changed a bit.
Jennifer McClean
They can be very charming too.
Waiters aren't powerless at all. Never fuck with someone who serves your food.
I disagree. Sure, maybe the best way to spot a narcissist. Because narcissists are extremely easy to spot. You don't even have to be in their prescence long. But you're not gonna spot psychopaths this way, and if you think you "spot them", I strongly doubt they're psychopathic.
The "Corporate Entity" is the ultimate psychopathic personality. We have been infused with this mindset since birth, via our media and advertising. This is the main reason why I no longer own a television.
Around 15 years ago my slacker room mate failed to pay the cable and it was canceled. I never found a reason to renew it, he unknowingly did me a favor.
thats a really good comment. i never thought of that but as soon as I read it it rang true. Really good. Thanks!
Goodtohave Inajam same!
What is the "corporate entity"?
Sounds like trump's problem maybe that's why he has no empathy and no character.
I was locked into a business relationship with a lower level psychopath (he wouldn’t kill anyone but he could drive someone to suicide and then be proud of it). Whatever words came out of his mouth, I always had to be totally aware of who he actually was until I was able to extricate myself from the situation.
I've met some people like that. They are proud of overpowering others, in fact, they seem to enjoy it. I keep my distance.
@@mard9802 I have met and confronted a few people like that, that I have worked with, and believe you me they hate you for it. When I did I always made sure I had witnesses so they couldn't twist what I said or they said to their advantage. Afterwards whenever I had conversations with these people they could never look me in the eye.
I mean that is killing someone.
Well done ❤️
That is indirect murder
lol why is there so much hate in the comments?? I thought it was interesting because I'm interested in this topic. Maybe you guys should watch something you are interested in?
Possibly those commenters are psycho paths? Could be why they're watching this? Personally I've encountered some extremely intense people throughout the years and thought by the title this video might shed some light on the subject.
Satya Veda: Psychopaths are narcissists. They don't have a conscience and they don't care what anybody else thinks (of them). They don't see anything wrong with their behavior so why would they watch a video like this?
Kayenta
Because they study psychology. And they're obsessed with what others think of them that's all they have is false identity ie. Ego. You see the psychopath narcissist is the result of going so far to the point that they don't even see their errors which appears to others as "they don't care" but in reality it was their intense inferiority that drove them to this state in the first place.
They don't show many tiddleywink games on the net, so I have to watch this instead.
@Anming Alexander
Criticisms keep the wonky academic disciplines like psychology honest. Some people treat psychology like a religion and they believe everything they hear. It's all the more necessary for those people to listen to the criticisms and the "haters".
After encounters with psychopaths, particularly online, and on TH-cam too, this presentation to journalists by very reasonable academics is a very calming experience. Thank you, and grateful to good commenters also.
I am a radio producer and I’ve learned a lot about language just through interviewing and editing people talking. People will often repeat something minimum of 3 times before they get out the complete thought or sentence. People will start their sentence 2-3 times before they can get it out right. IE “I…I..I wanted to go…” we rephrase questions often several times before we ask what we really want. It’s very messy. I tend to wait until someone has expressed their statement at least 3 times before I use the audio, it’s usually the best and most concise by that point.
I sometimes wonder how much of interviewees’ studdering is “pretend”: I - I - I , drives me nuts. As well as rhe use of the word “ like” over and over again in speech.
Do you expect to be able to produce algorithms for companies such as Cellebrite for law enforcement to evaluate the written language of suspects in their social media and/or text communications?
How many of your psychopathic subjects were women as opposed to men? How are they different?
Thank you so much for this comment. I noticed a long time ago that I do this and feared I must really be annoying people by explaining things thrice when really I'm the one who needs to get it clear for myself. But I don't notice others doing it so... whew.
Interesting. As a radio presenter myself, I had to practise speaking 'tidily'. Eventually, by slowing down whilst expressing more complex thoughts that were difficult to put into words, I could remove most of my ums and arrs. This had the added advantage of increasing my silence. Silence is powerful on the radio ... not too much obviously.
You can control the details of your speech more than you might imagine. I would not be surprised if a strongly motivated, and highly intelligent psychopath could successfully adjust their speech if this research became more well known and used widely to spot psychopaths.
I am sure we are many who would appreciate an updated follow up lecture on this, ten more years into the research 🙏
It's 10 years later now. I would love him to give an updated lecture now!!
May our wish come true :)
yep
@@jaspermartin7444 I hope they notice our wishes here :)
Gladwell’s Talking to Strangers has references along the lines of this work. I wouldn’t be surprised if these researchers were cited.
The most direct overlap here is specifically in the part about how much worse people are at detecting deception compared to AI. It’s fascinating. The whole book kind of messed me up, especially with there being such overwhelming evidence across well-known and unknown cases.
Side notes: They weren’t exaggerating about how rare it is to interview prisoners in their work!
It also unnerves me how researchers get so used to their topic that they kind of become desensitized, too, when discussing traumatic events. Kind of like how surgeons can go eat lunch right after work, I guess.
Finally, back to Gladwell: The questions about application of this research in criminal justice are already seeing some general data. Someone asked an EXCELLENT question about speech disfluencies relating to dyslexia or ADHD around 22:00, I think implying that neurodiversity can be labeled as psychopathy by those who know just enough to be dangerous. Gladwell also mentions people who don’t conform to expectations in communication and end up getting convicted more often when they were only guilty of being socially awkward. I forgot what that term was called, but they don’t sync well - they don’t make eye contact or they seem nervous or guilty, or they joke or laugh at inappropriate times. Anyway, why am I writing like I talk? 🤭
Second-guessing myself: I read Blink almost immediately after so I hope I didn’t mix those books up.
Also, based on how many edits I’ve made, editing history might also be a useful consideration in addition to backspacing in social media. If only I wrote like this in my work. 🤦🏽♀️
In my line of work, I have a higher chance of encountering psychopaths. When they discuss a crime, particularly when they are caught or arrested, they will distance themselves by pauses and they will also deny knowledge in a calm way, not an emphatic way. They will also blame others for the crime that 'had' to occur. For example, the victim brings it upon themself. Everything is happening 'to them'. They will transform themselves into the victim within seconds. I think this talk should be streamlined a little more to focus on the language and communication, rather than the levels of needs, etc. He also tends to focus on murders, but the highest percentage of psychopaths in our society are those individuals that stalk, harass, commit fraud, etc, but who don't kill people. Not all are 'charming', but they will try to use charm. Psychopaths will not only focus on what they ate on a particular day of a crime, but they will also go into detail about their movements and what they wear on a particular day of the alleged crime or the day prior to the crime. They will use a lot of detail to distance themselves from the crime and to fool an investigator.
I really liked your comment and would love you too du more. Do you have a channel?
Aka chris watts textbook example
*so you're saying psychopaths are biblical.*
*biblical, in this sense, means a detailed record of facts. Sorta like bibliography.*
*they account for facts in a bibliographic way in order to later present their lies as facts. Their fact-professing agenda is nothing but lying preparation.*
Really insightful comment,thank you for sharing. In watching Police interviews online recently, i've picked up on and can now understand clearer characteristics you mentioned in certain cases.
Damn I feel like you are describing Jodi Arias to a T.
as soon as he pointed out the uhms and uhhs i started going crazy noticing every single time he did it.
Friday Night Pizza yes so did I
Most doctors and Psychopaths and narcissists. There's research on it.
@@lndingalle9605 Hi from France! If you ever would like to share links & information about this topic, many thanks in advance... My best wishes 🌿
Same 😂
I can't stand that. Once he pointed it out, you would think he would have at least attempted to avoid using "uuummmm" and "uuhhh". Ugh!
Very good talk. Thank you to whoever did the sound; great quality.
If that was meant to be sarcastic, that was brilliant.
My corporate psychopath manager at Credit Suisse was a chameleon - one day raging bully, the next innocent lamb and even mentally challenged. But once I saw the rabid animal, he could not fool me for a second. He also lied a lot and probably thought everyone else was lying to him, so he would ask you to prove anything you said.
My very core was decimated by a "Prince Charming" psychopath for about 6 years. Other people call them successful psychopaths. We share a son (who I constantly make sure can emote at age-appropriate levels and shows empathy, caring, connection, etc.). Around the 14:00 mark, Professor Hancock discusses what the psychopath chose to focus on during the day of the murder. The psychopath I was with was a corporate pilot and flew all over the world much of while we were together (until he started stealing large sums of money from his employer and promised to kill me and the kids and dump our bodies in the mountains of the PNW if I ever told anyone what he was doing. I told his boss he was stealing money and threatening to kill us. I tell everyone now.) But what struck me as funny was that during that entire time that he was flying, rarely home, wouldn't really talk about ANYTHING that wasn't something I needed to DO FOR HIM, but the thing he would ALWAYS SEND ME was pictures of his food. When the Professor said that, my mind was flooded with 6 years of pictures of FOOD. His dinners, his midnight hotel snacks, the food on the corporate jet the crews would bring in. Did he ever talk about anything meaningful or substantial or emotional after the love bombing phase (where it actually me talking and him parroting)? No. Never. Exclusions being hatred, that I was "pure evil", or that I was a number of other derogatory words for a woman. Very interesting. I'm very much enjoying this video!
Wow mine was a pilot to 😮
God bless all the psycho pilots out there
Ya, classic projection. Evil. Yup. He is. They always accuse you of exactly what they're guilty of.🤔
😂 took a vow 20 years ago I’d never get on a plane! Thanks for validation! Now, I’m more curious about ppl who take pics of food lol, perhaps those ppl are narcissistic instead of psychopathic.
Geneva,
The same happened with me.
No substancial conversations, very supperficial.
He was working on a ship.
Everyday he made food and send me pictures of the food he made. Every day for 1 year...
After 1,5 year this relationship stopped. I was suicidal suddenly. I completally collapsed. I was flabbergasted and did not know why i suddenly broke down completally.
He also was very nice to me, but also very not nice. This 2 things i could not cope with either. To long story, but the food and beer was very important to him.
No depth. Supperficial charm. No empathy. But he was also nice, so i do not get it. All was about him and his life, not mine.
I will never be the same. He took something out of me. He really changed me. This never happened to me that drastically. It feels so weired and strange. I do not recognize myself anymore. I look at the miror and i do not see myself anymore. I felt completally dead and now i feel a living person but dead inside.
In the ten years since this recording, we seem to have greatly differentiated the characteristics of variants on such disorders. We also have made great inroads into understanding Pathological Narcissism, a trait that gets confused with psychopathy and sociopathy. There also appears to be a difference between psychopaths that murder and those who don't. The under-the-radar populations that are not captive really need to be studied, as they are the people who are causing the most cumulative harm to society.
Perfectly said! The US is ruled by undiagnosed cluster Bs who have been killing millions of people collectively for 40yrs UNCHECKED, BOTH PARTIES FOR PROFIT ONLY! The war machine, big pharma, big tech and big banking collectively kill tens of millions of people worldwide! The kicker is that only people with dangerous cluster B personality disorders will refuse to be properly diagnosed and we continue to allow this and elect them into power as a result.
This world was created for good and evil. I got BOTH. GOOD TURNING TO EVIL THEN BACK. I HAVE SEEN IT. GAGGING SICK UN EASY mind games. I'm not sure what category he's even in.
Thanks for mentioning this. Psychopaths make up 1% of the population, that's a huge amount! And psychopath children are hell to raise. Any parent's biggest fear should be being burdened with a psychopath child who is fully incapable of loving you back. They statistically end up in prison and/or hurting other people. What a drain on society. Hopefully we can figure out a fool proof way to identify a shriveled psychopath brain in the womb. If we allow parents to terminate pregnancies with Down syndrome, we can allow parents to choose if they want to commit their life to something that can't even muster a house cat level of love for others.
@@celisewillis I would term a psychopath at egg stage lol. Sorry I don't need that type of challenge I believe they are sent from Satan to destroy man
Progress in this area is a good thing. I'm often surprised though, by how often con men/women murder, even relatively late in their criminal career, without any previous history of violence, and when there really were reasonable alternatives. I realize that's just a small subset, but I wonder if it's less of a difference than that it just hasn't had to happen yet, mostly due to luck.
Excellent video. Leaves me feeling that I should have an honorary PhD for 50 years of being raised by and married to these unscrupulous individuals.
I know too much. They don't like that.
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Me too. They are very harmful and dangerous to those they are close to...
Me too. My sister is a psychopath. Unfortunately, I am still forced to deal with her due to circumstances outside of my control. I have become so good at understanding and knowing how to deal with her she has almost backed off slightly. I know she will never change but I think when they encounter someone who knows how to handle them, they almost respect that and step back just slightly. Never NEVER let down your guard or trust these people. Once you know who they are, never forget. That helps some.
You're right. They def don't like us wise to it all.
I just left a relationship with someone who was antisocial and I was fooled. I spent free time studying, reading papers, taking university courses on personality disorders, specifically cluster B personalities and I was still fooled. I think part of it, and why I stayed so long was because it makes me sad that someone is literally incapable of empathy. Sometimes it can be a curse especially in situations like this, but I COULD not imagine not having it. I also believe there is a difference between antisocial and psychopathy as he wasn't charming or goal orientated really, and he did have emotional capacity (had depression, and other feelings). He could show cognitive empathy but not pure empathy on an emotional. compassionate level. There was no remorse also which is scary, For me it was like a cold prison with no intimacy. The one thing I did notice with him was that is that the interpersonal relationship with me was almost like a vulnerable narcissistic - like poor me, im a victim, I love you, but this is your fault x y z, gaslighting, grandiosity. The world owes me or didnt recognize me, But outside of that he was someone who just did not care, didnt really care to much about consequences. Started getting in trouble and going to jail at age 15 and onward. To figure out a name for it really helps (is he narcissistic or is he antisocial) I honestly think its a bit of both but more so antisocial. I am hurt, and the change is causing grief, which I do know now is normal. I appreciate the experience that I got first hand because now I am more aware on a personal level of what these people are like, its really different then reading a book or taking a course. I would like to say to anyone who is possibly in one of these relationships that it is never your job to sacrifice yourself to someone with bad behaviors in hopes of saving them.
Sorry you went through that. It can take a while to heal ourselves after experiences like this, take care of yourself!
I recently entered into a relationship by choice with somebody who I know is a sociopath, and it's because I'm absolutely fascinated by him. I've never seen anybody project their childhood trauma upon their persona so clearly. He also puts on heavy charm, the fact that he's very tall and extremely buff and very good looking makes it easier for me to talk myself into researching him. Lol. I'm autistic, he gets really annoyed with me. I call him out on his shit all the time and tell him that he's only reacting the way he is because he is antisocial personality disorder and he needs another hit of dopamine. 😫🤣 We understand each other pretty well, however I've had to put him in check momentarily when he breaks one of the boundaries that I have set. Recently he's been pushing my limits more and more, so we have decided to take more space from each other. We have an odd type of respect for one another. I've known him for a few years, but I definitely don't trust him in a lot of different ways.
Sorry you had to learn the hard way. But that's the way it is with most things in life. I have been around psychopaths and narcs my whole life unfortunately. So I understand it but it still sucks. Always best to just get away from them. It's kind of hard to tell at first but one clue is if someone is charming and seems too good to be true, they usually are. These people are on a spectrum. My sister is highly narcissistic, but I've also seen her bump up into the psychopathy range. Deeply damaged woman. Highly toxic and destructive, pathological liar, but also very immature and predictable. It's odd how these people have almost identical behavior. Once you learn it, it's easier to spot. But there are so many of them out there nowadays, it's hard to find a nice, regular person anymore. I've grown very distrustful of people after growing up in a family with one psychopath and two narcissistic parents. But yeah they will never NEVER change. You just have to move on and be grateful you got away. No regrets.
Let me help you, so every person who have the anti-social personality disorder is a narcissist, but not every narcissist has the anti-social personality disorder. So he probably has been both yeah!
I fucking hate my bpd witch ex witch of a woman
I can tel you right now , someone close to me was preyed upon like a prey by a man with psychopathy. It started with social media , she liked that he was portrayed as a community leader, involved in many communal activities . She followed his social media page , later on found herself getting involved. She mentioned to me , he gave her a high dose of romance , followed by trails of deceptive behaviors, and quickly formed into domestic violence, life threading events . Police reports and subpoenas discovered he had a history of dv complaints , gun possession , all while hiding behind a business ethical man and community leader
Sounds like he was definitely a psychopath. I've got two in my life who are planning my demise I think.
narcisist or low level psychopath.
Same. Worst 8 months of my life. 2 years after I cut him out of my life he shot himself. I felt nothing for him. I thought the world is better off. I can’t believe my numbness.
4 out of 10 people
Hello, lacking basic Discernment and a bull shit detector is the real modern day pandemic here.
I'm surprised your surprised
Its almost like running into traffic
@@starrysparkles404 not one, but two psychopaths in your life, and both are planning to kill you? Wow
The question at 44 minutes is incredibly valid. The issue I can foresee is that corporations will be actually seeking sociopathic people because they're extremely effective at managing people. This is also a major problem with the incentive structure of capitalism. It breeds sociopathy because the more sociopathic traits you have, the better you can do in business.
+BlueEternities this has already happened. look around you. this is why the world is focked. these people are already at the top of the "capitalist" food chain as well as many other systems around the world. in america we promote psychopathic ways as the ideal.
+lily blossom So true. So many people seem blind to this...
+BlueEternities effective in manipulating people - not managing.
Sociopaths/psychopaths exist in other economic structures as well such as socialism/communism.
Pol Pot...Stalin....Mao...Che...Castro...Idi Amin...Were any of them psychopaths? Likely.
As a woman who's lived for several decades on this Earth - from England to Hawaii - and numerous places in between - based on my personal experience, I am compelled to conclude that serial killers and serial rapists are everywhere. Their prevalence in the world is far more common than the "professionals" admit.
You must attract them.
@@TavistockLiesBrainwashing You must be one of them.
I'm sure most people feel this way to an extent, but I was in a relationship with a psychopath for 2 years. Was the most destructive time of my life and still affects me many years later. Created an intense feeling of distrust in people. It's scary to see that emotionless, completely apathetic human. And still pretty fascinating even when you're the victim
I hope you're safe now 💛. I'm really sorry for what he put you through. A psychopath is very cunning,like a Komodo Dragon or Pitbull. Very sneaky. But hey, you know that. Focus on healing yourself,be filled with relief that you got away in one piece. I'm currently being targeted by TWO. It's awful. Sigh.
@@starrysparkles404 Get Restraining Orders so they're on Police Radar. Arm yourself: Tear Gas, BearSpray, Gun with lots of training and Defensive Arts ie Martial, Jujitsu etc. There are special classes for Womens Defense too!
Take no chances and always be aware of your surroundings. Stay Safe! Move if you can ASAP!
wow yes it is cold af, I am still daily oh and ah-ing about it.
I am so sorry for you, if you don't have a coach I would recommend getting a Christian Coach at least for a couple of weeks months, to get rid of the darkness... I ll pray for you God bless you
No soul
The bit about talking about food is so interesting- I’ve seen this in my personal life with one and also crime documentaries!!
This is seriously interesting stuff. To be able to identify a personality disorder with language analysis from security, social and educational point of view would be amazing. The chap presenting is an academic not a clown there to entertain the kids.
what about a lie? since this is important to identifying a psychopath. why not start with the more simple things before forecasting group behavior based upon particularities
@@puppetperception7861 Well lie detection using verbal analysis has many times been studied. Much has been learnt as a consequence. However, In an of itself language without body language analysis when attempting to discover a lie just doesn't work very well.
Psychopathy isn't a personality disorder, they're born that way. Check out brain scans, they're missing parts of their brains the rest of us have.
@@puppetperception7861 I'm going to g out on a limb here and say most psychopaths charged with murder are going to lie. And can pass a polygraph as the prof indicated. This micro language assessment is fascinating.
Cancel culture begins with labels, and supporting this application of labels can lead to misuse, take care that you aren't cancelled one day.
I edit audio discussions as part of my job. It's amazing how messy natural language is. It has taken me 10 hours before to clean up 30 minutes of audio.
@Kathy Gilligan Funny enough, I'm doing that right now! Lol
Yep, I've done editing for audiobooks. I allow 3 times the eventual playback time for recording - so a 1 hour text will take 3 hours to record. And 5 times for editing - expect to spend 5 hours editing to get a 1 hour result.
I've invented a way to fold most of the editing into the recording, but it still takes 4-5 hours to get a 1 hour product.
@@rpaul9578 That must be a hell of a job. I don't want to trade places with you.
Why? It’s good for detail oriented people and pays decently
can you edit the ums out of this then?... in less than a week?
I was married to one for 11 years. I project "good" onto others; and it took me forever to see him for who he really was. The pain in the relationship was never-ending. I, obviously, had a lot of growing to do. I subsequently found out through counseling that the had molested our one-year-old daughter... They are monsters existing on a non-human plane.
Projecting good onto others...
I used to do that a LOT myself when I was a little kid. I had almost completely outgrown it by the time I was maybe 5 or 6 years old. We imagine and project good nature onto other people when we're little kids because for a lot of people, it's just our nature and we want to relate happily to the world we live in. But, it's incredibly naive and purely ignorant.
You do not project good on to others, you are familiar with people that are dysfunctional and try to ease them when around them
Omg I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. My worst nightmare
Physical bodies devoid of spirit.
One of the issues with diagnosing female psychopaths is prejudice in psychology and psychology. Men are diagnosed, women are labeled. You can find females diagnosed with borderline personality disorder who have PTSD, psychopathy or were just pissed off when they saw some poorly educated health care provider. This is particularly true with social workers who know just enough to be dangerous. The females misdiagnose as much as the males.
Very true. The female psycopath is also rarer and is so different that it is hard for us to understand or conceptualize.
Other diagnosis are made, because it is difficult for humans to see this in the female form. We don't want to think it's possible, while male psycopaths are readily accepted.
Females with zero emotional affect are statistically rare, so it is illogical for that to be the first diagnosis on a list, even if a lot of the criteria match.
What data are you basing this off of ?
Gender is a social construct so everyone is equally as likely to be a psychopath tbh
Dr, Stanton Samenow is premier in the study of psychopathic criminals. His work is used to educate those working towards becoming profilers for the FBI etc. He often has discussed the specific words and manner of communication that are used by criminals. With his decades of research done with criminals I am curious that these folks do not mention him or seem to even know of his enormous body of research. He writes regularly for Psychology Today.
I am degreed in Communications and I have studied the language of the Personality Disordered for the past five years. I work in a counseling office of a college and over a period of years I have been able to identify three extremely Narcissistically Personality Disordered women by listening to their conversations, one who I reported to the FBI for fraud. All are extremely manipulative and all have committed fraud and other crimes of misrepresentation. The FBI was only notified after I had gathered enough data to enable them to have a case. Because the employee was over 72 she was forced into retirement along with her immediate supervisor within 30 of my handing over a key to a supply cabinet that held documentation proving Pell Grant fraud that spanned nearly a decade. It wasn't ethical to remove information from the office due to the Federal Privacy Act but an unused metal cabinet became a receptacle that allowed the copious gathering of many documents.
Indeed the "distancing" use of words and the manipulative techniques that are regularly employed to distract, enlist unearned empathy, play the victim, cast innuendo on others, and commit character assassination were endless. It takes a different perspective to catch on to the word play. The book authored by Dr. Stanton Samenow ,
. "Inside the Criminal Mind" is very educational in understanding the mindset of the pathologicol narcissist. Samenow uses the word "criminal" to explain the mindset, even if the person is never convicted of a crime. Samenow states that most criminals are never caught let alone convicted.
I am very curious to know whether the 72 yo being forced into retirement was considered to be the entire solution to her extensive fraud? Was a lack of accessible or remaining funds to recover a consideration in basically " letting it go"?
I was married to one. Everything that came out of his mouth was a lie. He frequently would say things to me and other people like "if you don't do …..(blank) you are going to force me to do....(blank)." When he was telling a lie while he was sitting down , he would place one leg on top of another and rub the bottom of his shoe. It was so gross that it was distracting to everyone around. He never had any anxiety or fear. Currently he is in prison ,studying to be an attorney.
The leg thing is a self-soothing strategy, all they feel is anxiety and fear all their life,they percieve everyone as a threat, but it is buried deep and different mannerisms are a telltale.
"Currently he is in prison, studying to be an attorney."
If he was an actual psychopath, then he should currently be in the graveyard, studying to become worm food.
Prison is not, and never has been a deterrence for psychopaths. Shooting them to death works quite well, though.
So, why did you marry him? What is it about guys with no conscience at all that makes them irresistible to women, even when the other 99% of the guys around them are not psychopaths?
@@devilsoffspring5519 They are extremely manipulative and many can be enormously charming in pursuit of their pray.
@@vaska1999 You mean, psychopaths are a lot like many women?
So, why wouldn't a woman be easily able to identify a psychopath?
@@devilsoffspring5519 See a shrink, sweetie. I mean it.
This is absolutely fascinating, especially because I have a family member who I only realized after decades of association that the reason for his odd behavior was narcissism/sociopathy. It is extraordinarily important to quantify this type of behavior so that they can be identified quicker and separated from the public if necessary. Having an automaton to identify these people is extremely important, if for no other reason, because they are MENTALLY EXHAUSTING.
In addition, the research sounds analogous, to transposons in the human genome. They are "throwaways" that leave a very particular generic code that is almost impossible to replicate.
One thing that they haven't mentioned, so far, is that REPETITION is the main method that they are able to manipulate. Moreover, the only manner of treatment is to call them out each and every time, even interupting the flow of the conversation, to bring it to their attention. They must know that you are aware of their aberrant behavior, even when it seems imperceptible. In addition, good behavior must be rewarded because their reward system should be on the same level of their hierarchy of need, .....basic. I'd volunteer with the police department to help because
Narcissists are miserable and a waste of time.
To call them out...
The only thing they learn is...to be wiser and more skilled the next time...
This is my experience.
You make of them better psychopaths, then before and smarter...
@@heide-raquelfuss5580 yes - domestic violence classes come to mind - gives them a whole new way to blame the victim
@Threetwo One I agree that narcissism and sociopathy have different meanings. That's why they're 2 different words. But, I don't agree with the balance of your statement and I stand by my original post.
@Threetwo One In short, pathological lies for NOTHING and persistance beats resistance.
@charleswhite758 I wrote this two years ago and it is more true now than ever.
"I have nothing to do with that evil act of cruelty, or whatever happened."
Chris Watts, Interview with detectives prior to being arrested for the murder of his wife and two children.
Psychos are not the masterminds some say they are.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 I think that is because in some cases machiavellianism comes in addition to psychopathy.
Perfect example of not being able to gauge the relationship between appropriate actions and feelings.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 stupid psychopaths? The psychopathic genius has been depicted in so many films.
Lol fools
Discovery about things I didn't know about Psychopaths 100% upsetting. This guy's delivery 100% relaxing. Experiencing cognitive dissonance.
@u little shit
Why? All I said was that was experiencing cognitive dissonance from hearing really disturbing information delivered in a soothing tone.
Although I suppose it would be worse to hear it in a distressing tone on top of everything.
Relax.
Saaame
He is used to the topic. Youre not.
I am very happy to have found this discussion. Do not forget about victims in all this...M
*victims are the greater abomination.*
I'm only 3 minutes into this video, and I can tell I'm going to be stuck here until it's done.
Thank you to Cornell - please make more classes/speakers available - for free. Like Stanford does with R. Sapolsky.
The idea of a non-human interrogator is quite interesting. Very thought provoking.
What is a non human interrogator?
Debbie VanLeuven
A computer that analyzes responses.
I was abused by a senior doctor and a nurse who covered up the malfeasance with blatant cut and paste fraud that blamed me for me injury in the medical records, and included the incongruent government promotional tagline “Explore the Experience” under the state logo. I don’t know if it was a lazy effort to construct the statutory form or a more subtle expression of their confidence and amusement at their work that left me literally devastated.
The logo tagline is visible almost everywhere when I step outside, no one believes that I was intentionally harmed, at least now I know that psychopaths lurk where you least expect them.
The disregard for civil liberties that technology enables seems to be facilitating the amplification of problematic narcissistic behaviours, and arguably psychopathic tendencies, as does social media. Given the slander that was written within the fraud, it is very disturbing that so many ‘experts’ are allowed infallibility status, lots of room for manipulation of assessments….
Wow her name musta been Melissa. Sounds like my nurse sociopath boss I had in the 90’s.
100% true
I have been dealing with narcs my whole life in my family and if one good thing came out of it is maybe that I am quite good at spotting them pretty quickly. Although it can take time to really get to know someone because they can be pretty good at hiding it. If they don't show interest in your life and talk mostly about themselves, that is one of the first signs. I mean, they may start out talking about you and your life a little bit but it doesn't last long. Also, another thing you might notice quite quickly is an inability to compromise or communicate in a cooperative way. They must feel like they are in control. That is pretty easy to see right away too. Other things that can come later on is their lack of empathy. They can fake empathy and have cognitive empathy but watch how they react to a homeless person, an animal that might need help, or an elderly person. They usually don't notice and if it comes up, they do not want to get involved. They tend to either not work or be in jobs where they can have a high status or level of control or be in the limelight or all of the above. They also lie. A lot. And if you ever question them about something that is a lie or something they did that was wrong, if they do not take responsibility or acknowledge that it even happened or gaslight you, bingo, you're probably dealing with a narc.
I have just one more thing to say. Unless you are forced to deal with these people like you have to work with them or you are sharing custody of kids or something, cut them off completely. Don't feel bad about it. They don't care about you. You don't need to care about them. They will never change. And if you are forced to deal with them and you have the money, get a lawyer, esp. if financial stuff is involved or there is any kind of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse. You need help dealing with this, there is no shame in it. ALL of the shame belongs on the narcissists and in fact that is what is driving most of their behavior. A deep sense of shame and inferiority that they try to cover with grandiosity. Be safe out there. Take care. W
Have you ever asked yourself how these people became that way? They were not born this way or that way, correct? So, the only shame is in pointing a finger to one without considering pointing another to the one back of them...and then how much further back? I once heard this kind of behavior called "residue of abuse". ✌
@@junemoonchild69 🤔 I think psychopaths are born. I think sociopaths are made. My opinion.
@@sharonthompson672 Very interesting topic. I don't know. The people I know who are like this, I think it's a combination of nature and nurture or lack thereof. I think adults can make a choice about how they treat others. I don't let them off the hook that easily. Yeah, there are some people who are really mentally off, like legally insane or whatever but most of these people aren't, they are just complete assholes.
@@junemoonchild69 good point. I can speak from experience on this. yes, the two narcs in my family are my sister and my father. father was beaten by his mother and treated badly and he did the same to his kids, all three of us for the most part. but only my sister wound up a high level narc. i don't think unless someone is criminally insane, they have a right to treat others badly. they have a choice. I have had lots of problems related to the abuse I suffered in childhood but i don't take it out on other people. the "residue of abuse" you are talking about is totally real, i just think people have a choice in how to deal with it, esp. as adults. it is a cycle for sure. maybe some biology in it too. i just don't excuse these people. they are too evil and cause too much damage.
@@wordswordswords8203 I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think sociopaths OR psychopaths are insane, they're just different versions of evil. 👍 I wholeheartedly agree that they most certainly have control over their choices and behavior. 🌹🙂👍
13:23 Chris Watts went into great detail about what he packed for his lunch on the morning of the murders (right before he stuffed his kids into oil tanks)... cottage cheese, chicken, etc.
I know! Weird
I found that odd too. why go into such trivial detail when there is a full blown crises occurring, Its like the mundane and ordinary meant about as much as murdering his entire family. ate breakfast strangled wife and kids , drove to my job buried wife quickly, checked the oil tanks decided bodies would fit put kids in . went got gas went to work ate lunch went home. oh no where are wife and kids? crazy he was so efficient in the entire process truly terrifying to think how many more Chris Watts type individuals maybe lurking about undetected unsuspected and seemingly normal. I do question if this was always part of his psyche ? i noticed a change from the photos when he was heavier he had more warmth in his eyes looked more approachable and friendly, did the supplements and weight loss contribute to a change in his mind? Of course most will say no this had to be there just waiting to surface. so maybe when he became stimulated by some major event.in rose to the surface. Of course we know that event was his affair with NK and his creepy lust for her.
It's because psychopaths are self centered and vain. What they fixed themselves for lunch that day is important to them. It's all about THEM. Check out www.vainencounters.com for more info (Lisa E. Scott )
It is a ptsd behavior.
He was taught to be totally obedient and keep his mouth shut and tell people what they want to hear.
I had noticed the issue about movement being used as a distractor, in dealing with my daughters father, when he would be trying to lie about a large issue. It seemed like the bigger the story/ lie he has trying to weave the more motion I would see. In dealing with my mother, she was very unlikely to BOTHER lying to ME, because I was in her power, but I do remember she was very physically active/physically agitated any time I would try to get her to explain why she had always physically hurt me, or was mentally abusive to me. (As a teenager, and young adult, I was always trying to understand why she had always been abusive toward ME ,but not my brother, I needed to understand why I was so unlovable and deserving of her abuse and hatred. I finally learned enough about psychopaths and abusers to no longer question the way she abused me...) This is interesting.
im sorry you had those experiences
I understand this may be taken as me not actually comprehending your point - but I believe I do understand - but even so, I’ll still ask this because in any instance…
whether someone was a psychopath or not a psychopath, & even whether or not I went from not understanding to understanding that as a fact….
I’d still find it reasonable to want to know Why was it ME versus my sibling that got abused?
💜💜💜
Oh and yes! I wanted to comment on thes movement! That old adage “beware of shifty characters”! Well is that the truth! Restlessness, inability to stand still when speaking to them… like if they are figured out they’ll run! Lol! They will too if you starting calling them out. They also turn their backs, their face so you can’t see the smile they get when they get your emotions going! The body language experts say the position of the feet tell you a lot about what a person is thinking. One guy that I dated had lied so much online that when I met him in person his leg was I controllably shaking! You have to watch how they cover their movements too, they’ll make excuses for why they can’t stand still and some of the. Are straight out honest that they are nervous. So they do tie about that but yet they still proceed without fear of consequences
I can relate to your experience with your mother. I experienced systematic abuse. I was targeted but not my little sister. Then when confronted with that later on .She would be Very obviously agitated defensive and go between playing victim. To being very hateful with underlying threatening sense or yes more violence . She's gone now. I try to not have resentment towards her. I truly feel it wasn't all even her but sone spiritual there was also Phenomena that can b explained otherwise But it was the most devastating relationship I've ever had. And sadly I was ina few abusive relationships after that. Now I don't ignore red flags or ever take for granted that a seemingly perfect relationship is simply being love bombed in order to get my trust and defense down.
Really interesting discussion. What comes across to me is the subtlety and mastery of the psychopath's use of language to achieve his or her ends. I have talked with a young adult with antisocial personality disorder and I couldn't work out how their conversation seemed to trap me. It was like I was going down the rabbit hole in the story 'Alice in Wonderland'. Now I see a bit more how this might have been working if they are able to do things like distancing with their tenses etc.
+Jo Fox I was married to a psychopath. Of course back then we knew nothing about them and I had never heard of personality disorders. I knew something was wrong but couldn't put my finger on it in the early days, but discussions went nowhere and everything wrong in the relationship was my fault! I went to counselors and marriage guidance but they had no idea either what I was dealing with.
Would be an interesting experiment to have a knowledgeable third party observe the interaction next time, either in person or via videotape. Not being engaged in the conversation themselves, they could probably spot the red flag moments.
Makes me wonder how many “sociopaths” choose to work in the field of psychology...
Didn’t realize this possible connection until the introduction of, “Erica”...
...as he notes her success at CNN, is connected to his brilliant tutelage.
Ohh noo
jordan peterson is one of them ;) I studied psyhology , not that many. Psyhology attracts mostly women who score lower on narcissism and psychopathy , so statiscally you'll get less of them in psychology... but it is interesting that most psychology teachers or psychology "stars" are males when they make up 10 to 20 % of the students. I'd look that way, it would be an intersting study .
@@backintimealwyn5736 How is Peterson a psychopath? Dude fell into a deep dark depression with his wife's terminal cancer diagnosis. I think she's actually recovering so not quite terminal. Not once have I seen evidence of him not having empathy. What makes you say this? I'm not trolling or starting a flame war, I'm genuinely curious for what you consider as evidence.
@@daleowens7695 I don't know, it was a joke. They are stuff I like about the guy, he's kind of brave, it's a quality I tend to like, he stands for what he believes ,and the people he cares for (lindsay for ecemple) I like that. BUt some of what he says is not rooted in science at all yet he claims he's on factual science's side. I don't like this double language it seems pretty manipulative to me. And he talks a lot about himself , his IQ, his work , he seems a bit grandiose and deceptive. But honestly I have no clue, it was just a joke.
As a hypnotist who spent 3 years working closely with a covert narcissist you might want to look real close to the hypnosis thing. He was better at it than I am in a very natural way.
finally, someone says it
God yes that is it. They put you under their spell - even if you are highly conscious they are doing it!!
that was creepy and cinematic
I’ve been surrounded by coverts and overts all my life. Yes I agree with this 100%. Once you start talking to these people you are at their mercy. The only way not to be manipulated is to not communicate at all, no eye contact, nothing.
So many are v intelligent,charming, you feel.they really listen, I think a lot of politicians are psychopaths.
this talk was veeery interesting!
but the comments here are weird...who cares how the speaker talked?! it matters *what* he was saying, not *how* he was saying it...this was as far as I understood a talk for professionals..he didn't need to get people exited about the matter, they're all already interested..
I know, I don't think his speech is distracting at all...
+Adina V
You have a good point there, but I actually find it interesting both what he said and how he said it. I'm interested in body linguistic and sociologic aspects too, and besides, If you analyze how he talks, you might discover that he is a psychopath. (I guess some kind of emoji or smiley would have been appropriate here to underline the joke, but I don't use those signs despite my interest in sociology and linguistics). "...but the comments here are weird", yeah, I agree on that...and I think my comment kinda confirms that statement. (Another suitable emoji here).
+thank god for atheists if you're interested in body linguistics and "social aspects", try some shrooms/ psilocybin or LSD, guaranteed inner mind experience. It gave me beautiful insides about our "existence".
+Snedder V.
Thanks for the advice, but I've already tried that, it didn't work, the only thing that happened was that I got really high and wrote a weird comment on youtube (see above).
+Alice Cotti
Maybe I am, but it's more likely you are a psychopath - this conversation into consideration - because one of the hallmarks of the psychopath is that it accuses its "opponent" in a very certain tone, of things that have no evidence. So far; you have qualified perfectly to that description.
Very helpful for victims. Especially considering until recently there was no death penalty. Knowing the thief, attempted murderer, fraud, rapist is going to get out is depressing if you aren’t prepared.
I had the misfortune of befriending a straight psychopath, it took me forever to figure it out. I'm not going to lie, but once you have the courage to tell yourself the truth. It becomes painfully obvious, I decided to pretend like he was someone who never spoke, and just take his actions at face value, and when you do that, and don't make excuses. Just look at the actions not one off but consistent year after year after year actions it paints a picture a picture that I noticed no one else could see, but thankfully one other mutual friend of ours caught on and I began piecing it together, that something is truly wrong. See I had my suspicion, but he's such a coward I thought it couldn't be true, but then one day he crossed the line and I had to fight him. I easily dominated him but there was something so odd about the fact that he was completely un phased like had no emotional reaction to the fact that we just had a fight. And, then I started to learn about psychopaths in the military and why the truth is they're actually worthless in battle they only care about themselves and are only interested in the weak they routinely avoid helping others in danger which is what war is. They look for the very weak they aren't outwardly bold like I expected. He comes across very meek and mild mannered everyone thinks he's sweet. and, when given some thought you begin to realize it's the perfect disguise. Because I know what he does I know the sick disgusting things he regularly does without fear. And, that's when I realized he doesn't fear altercation he just doesn't participate unless victory is certain just like a reptile goes for the kids and the injured. It's not an emotional decision it's purely economic. I realized the only emotion I've ever seen him show is contempt that he's careful to keep to himself. once put into context his actions reveal him completely, everywhere I've ever taken him he's the least threatening person, never responds to aggression it's only his actions and his never ending lies that have revealed him to me. I am no saint myself, and I think he found what he believed is a kindered spirit, but I have come to understand why I acted the way I did it was all highly emotional and neurotic action. His was completely calculated, and as you get older you mature and no longer even have a desire to break the law, (most adults stop committing crime at 28 due to testosterone leveling etc) But he kept on no matter how big the risk, he kept violating parole, kept doing the same crimes completely sure he would never get caught again, and I had to accept who he is. See i always thought I was the bad one but slowly I realized I had an emotional block, I was making this friend someone he simply wasn't. He's constantly proclaiming how he could never hurt anyone, he couldn't even hurt a fly he would claim, now I know what that really means it's camouflage it's their way of hiding. And, it's hard to admit you've been duped it's hard to admit your capable of being decieved for so long. I hope people realize they're not quite as obvious as you think. There's a lot of misdiagnosis going on these people aren't actually sad or angry they're trying on emotions like a coat. Remember they don't want to be caught they will 100% not reveal themselves. So don't expect some movie style shit expect a constant stream of excuses from someone who everyone knows "would never do something like that" that's who they are.
shut up you overobsessed imbecile
Cobra, dude. You're first message was actually really interesting and I'm glad you took the time to share but WHY did you take it to the place you did with the pissing imagery?! Cmon
@@AS-gz8oe You're right it was petulant of me, I regret it now, since I have no way of knowing what psychological or mental state the other person was in. There's no telling what lense he was viewing my writing through. Perhaps he's had experiences where people cry wolf just for attention, and just had a visceral reaction to my post. I'll try to be more cognizant of this in the future. I'll probably delete it but, it's mildly humorous to me, and It will make yours, and his comments make no sense. So just letting you know in advance.
@@guineapig55555 nut job
Trying on emotions like a coat. I truly believe you know what you are taking about. Agreed.
Answering the question posed at around 17:00 :The difference between sociopath and psychopath is primarily one of a differentiation in the "theater of operations". The same individual will exhibit similar behavior across all expressions of self.The terms psychopath and the sociopath describe a single and same modality as that modality is applied to individual interpersonal relationships versus group dynamics.
This is a very informative video.I have always said that the choice of one word over another can speak volumes to the ear which can hear.
But does it listen?
Sociopath is not a recognised term in psychology. Anyone who uses it doesn't understand the complexity of cat 2 psychopaths. Including this guy who spends his life gaining research from murderers and then building his views from the most troubled psychopaths. Makes no sense
Count me on the "no possible treatment" side of the controversy, at least for those with antisocial personality disorder. I have witnessed daily two psychopaths for over ten years. Over all the incidents, treated by every possible agency, they only use the knowledge gained to find a new opportunity to do damage against the people they blame--their victims.
They aren't people. We need a big bug lamp for them for the sake of the human race.
@@thewolf14 I think at some point, like 25,000 years ago, psychopathy/sociopathy was a valuable trait in those small tribes. I mean, someone that lacks fear and gets pleasure from violence? That makes a kick ass hunter and warrior. And they would've adapted to keeping relationships with those in their tribe. Not from any real sense of community or love. It was just vital to stay alive.
Today, it's pretty useless - in fact, detrimental in the damage they can do. The fact that it can be genetic, and that it causes different structures in their brains than the general population, tells the story that its a trait that's been around a long time. It just hasn't been bred out. Yet. Hopefully, as the idea and education of these conditions gets out there, people can just avoid them.
I concur. I don't believe that psychopaths are mentally ill any more than I believe that a wolf is a sick dog. The wolf does what a wolf naturally does; it is not sick, but you wouldn't want to keep it in your home.
Psychopaths are to be neutralized. For justice and safety. Revenge is good as well. All called for. Destroy them all.
Mary, traditional therapy techniques do indeed backfire, but there ARE approaches that can be successful...at influencing, managing and reforming these types. Take heart.
DSM-IV discarded psychopathy as a diagnosis. Hare (inventor of PCL and PCL-R was in on the Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) field trials for DSM-IV.
Hare &Hart (1995) expressed concern that by combining Psychopathy with APD in DSM-IV “ensures that some clinicians will continue to believe” the two diagnoses are the same.
The identification of psychopaths is incredibly important considering their criminal frequency, diversity & life course persistence.
Not all psychopaths are criminals. Allot live normal lives.
@@Crazywaffle5150Thank you, I came here to make that same distinction.
Also as a researcher, I agree with John Redberg. And I’d like to add that the researchers didn’t seem to take in consideration that interviewing imprisoned psychopaths has influence on what a psychopath talks about. For example, the researchers concluded that psychopaths do not talk much about their family. But when a psychopath is in free contact with family and others, he talks a lot about the conflicts he has with his family, his visions on ideal love, women he considers his ideal to have a relationship with etcetera.
That certain words are repetitive in the spoken language of psychopaths is because psychopaths brainwash other people and can only do so by repeating a lot of their sentences over and over again. Not only certain words.
It is accurate that psychopaths, while brainwashing others, often use words like “because”, but they use them in misleading sentences. In their contacts with others they use a self fulfilling prophecy. For instance, as evidence of the presence of psychopathic characteristic 15, they constantly change the rules of behaviour that they want their victims to obey. Because they are malicious, they do so without informing the victim the rules have changed. In that way the victim always fails their rules and the psychopath ensures himself to have reason to use verbal or physical violence to punish the victim. So, just the observation that a person uses the word “because” a lot, is not a reason to suggest someone can be a psychopath.
In reality, psychopath language shows in every sentence that the psychopath speaks in reflection of the 20 psychopath characteristics of Robert Hare, including his paranoid underground of thinking. To find the patters in which the psychopath uses his 20 characteristics in each sentence one should analyse, determine and compare repetitions (as sign of brainwashing), his shown hypocrisy in emotions (characteristic 1), his shown exaggeration and way he looks upon himself (characteristic 2) shown sorts of deceit (characteristic 4), shown humiliation and self-undermining of himself and his victims (characteristic 10), shown behaviour rules, appointments and pressure (characteristic 15) shown sorts of antagonistic defamation (characteristic 16) etcetera and the combination of those in his sentences.
The language of a psychopath has a form of deceit in practically every sentence which often only can be found by comparing it to later sentences he speaks or analysing the imagery he uses in comparison with effects he claims the imagery has.
Therefore, the identifications these researchers use are too far away from what a psychopath is and does and will likely identify people as psychopaths, who have no psychopath characteristics at all.
Lisa Smit absolutely. Your comment is spot on and much more educational/informational than this entire video.
DAMN thanks Lisa
He never said the indicators they use are hard evidence of psychopathy....it seems like you're stating the same things they did.
Check out statement analysis.
Great comment!
This came up beside a Soundgarden video in my suggestions. I thought we were going to analyze Chris Cornell's lyrics, inevitably coming to the conclusion that he was a psychopath.
Says psychopaths say "uhmm" more often...
Continues to say "uhmm" in every following sentence.
😂😂😂
@@KittredgeRitter said the 4channer
@@guineapig55555 Says the secular Jew.
@@KittredgeRitter Did I miss something?
@@kristileigh9059 Yeah. A European brain that has the ability of understanding and producing logic.
Such an interesting lecture. Fascinating. The speaker is easy to listen too.
there are two kinds of people who say they don't believe in right and wrong:
1) folks who are sticking up for the psychopaths they depend on for food/shelter/attention in their everyday lives
2) folks who are psychopaths and fear being exposed as such
Both of your points are very true but it is also true that morals cease to exist with the absence of human life.
Nothing scares psychopaths more than being exposed for the game that they’re playing
How would one know if theyre a pyscho and how would one be exposed foool
The former are moral prostitutes.
@@farahbushnaq7323 They don't care what anyone thinks of them or their behavior; they just want to know how to continue on with their plan.
I WISH I could have attended this. Excellent discussion, looking forward to reading the findings.
I worked in a medium security with Inmate diagnose with personality disorder as a broad term. I watch them manipulate staff and be manipulated by their fellow inmates. Every thing is based and deception. They are easily offended when they are not being praised. Every interesting conversations... I grew a lot from my interaction with them and I understand how they affect people.... Standard treatments were violence reduction... but its true that they learned the language and try to use it back to out smart professional
Yes. the thing is though when you really understand them, it's easy to just never never trust them or believe anything that comes out of their mouth. Period. No second chance, they will never change. Assume they are always lying because 99 % of the time they are.
No kidding! I am also a forensic psychologist (PhD), currently in a PsyD program for licensure - and I am a Cornell alumnus. Those I have interviewed describe their crimes as if they were describing how to disassemble a firearm, (literally) cool as a cucumber, kinda monotone in many cases. Oh! But where he is wrong is where he states that they generally lack self-actualization as pertains to Maslow&Rodgers’ hierarchy of needs. Many are high-functioning; I would estimate 50-70%. Furthermore, even with the most recent version of the PCL-R, it is no longer a true representation of Hare’s original checklist... and good luck getting the full truth and not being toyed with by many of these. Research idea! Here you go thesis-seekers. Per my own experience as an interviewer of psychopaths, their associative memory is surprisingly sharp. This is why you got a lot of garble about meals, how much gas they needed to drive to the scene of the crime, how much that roll of duct tape from Home Depot cost that they used to bind the victim before they murdered, and only then....the descriptions of performing their ritual and staged their scene (if applied). There is a reserve question with clear implication that contributes to society and the body of research.
Interesting info; thank you.
I wonder if a non psychopath could learn the psychopath language and how it would effect a psychopath talking to them in their own language.
The most effective treatment is bars and walls
@ They're weak. It is a fallacy that they are leaders. They might be position-holders. But not leaders. The best leaders are not psychopaths. They are a minority of CEO's. Most strong people (such as make up leaders) are normal, not abnormal.
@@chefEmersonWilliams Psychopathy is proving NOT to be an aberrational personality type at all, but a set of behavioural traits that most of us exhibit from time to time without much of an issue. The wealth of data we have on psychopaths, whilst extensive, is fundamentally flawed because the vast majority of subjects available to study are dysfunctionally diagnosed psychopaths, or people convicted of horribly violent crimes.
Shit, we even go through a late puberty stage of psychopathy.
Developmental studies show that among otherwise normal 15-25 year old males, the behavioural flag traits for psychopathy are all actively ringing the kind of bells that if somebody more mature, say from age 35 onwards was displaying, and they were picked up on by Psych Doctors or Police, they'd be involuntarily admitted to a secure psych ward for careful observation.
The reason these young men aren't diagnosed as psychopaths, is that it seems we grow out of it, like a phase.
But we don't grow out of it at all. We learn how to sublimate these traits into our character, and use our increased self awareness (hopefully) to assimilate our psychopathic urges into proportionately acceptable pursuits. And those who for whatever reason cannot manage to do that, are the ones we get to run clinical psychopathy tests on. But would you run the Druze test on Rabbits who were already blind?
"Man, know thyself" ~ inscribed above the entrance to the Delphic Oracle, and attributed to Pythia..
Read the book, Wisdom of Psychopath's.
@@shutdown8947 Gotten to communicate with some psychopaths recently who are not criminals and in some ways have the advantage of not carrying around a lot of emotional baggage.
This reminds me so much of the show Mindhunder. The work they did and all.. The study in speech. I can't wait for season two.
I find serious concerns over using these methods to find psychopaths- so many factors could play a factor in why someone doesn’t speak much about family and why they speak more about food and ‘things’ that are not due to being a psychopath.
Age, trends, upbringing, family circumstances, popularity or lack of popularity- someone who felt bullied in school by wealthy kids could place more importance on wealth and material things; someone who doesn’t have a strong family connection may feel sadness or hurt when speaking of family, so they learned not to.
You do not understand the issue.
@@lizando9481 Unnecessarily rude. They have a legitimate concern and it does need to be taken into account. So, if a person just has one of these things doesn't make them a psycopath the overall picture is more important for a diagnosis.
They address this around 21:00 minutes
@@amarketing8749 it's not fully legitimate unless it's developed and tested against the contradicting evidence
I don't think they treat it as a certain diagnosis, more to judge data over a broad general scale
Once he pointed out dysfluency I couldn’t help hearing all his umms. This is very interesting.
I noticed that too, at the start, when he mentions about the uhmm's and so on. I thought...well...he does the same. Also, he talks a lot, but is not saying nothing really indepth. Also..., i see a light smirk on his face. Disturbing really...
Wished I could give this 10 thumbs up, so excellent. Thank you so much for posting.
There is also the issue of psychopaths learning how to consciously modify their language to evade detection, once this technology becomes known about in the public eye.
Yes, however disjunctions however are hard to get rid of, in the same way as microexpressions
Probably not worth worrying about. These language habits are likely so ingrained that they can't be easily modified except in the most superficial of ways.
psychopaths have to 'evade detection' because of our hysteria over them. just like gays and autistics, you can't be weird in our society, everyone's got to pretend to be normal. when it's a gay lad trying not to get beaten up we don't blame the lad, we blame society for being intolerant. but when it's the big bad psychopath doing his best to avoid getting killed we call it his devious machiavellian nature. o they're clever, those psychopaths. they're literally the devil
@@sidarthur8706 interesting take 🤔
@@sidarthur8706 you're probably a psychopath trying to evade detection rn
All I hear after he mentions the "um" is his ums.
Little Blubbercorn
Me too
Didn’t he say psychopaths do a lot of ums 🤔
Exactly 3 times right after he mentioned it he used 4 times less then 30 seconds l
Little Blubbercorn yes! Uh
@@drk7031 wow. so you're insinuating he's a psychopath. very interesting thing to reveal about yourself.
This is super interesting! I love your video! Thank you for posting this. After dealing with a malignant narcissist for years and now learning about it, I see the psychopathic language he used. He was very focused on the lower levels, as your research supports. This is the kind of stuff that should be taught to kids in high school to prepare them for life situations with psychopathic individuals. As our society moved further and further from in person socialization, it seems we are producing more malignant type behaviours such as psychopathy. Thank you again. I learned a lot!
I would suspect you are right. People learn socialising skills by practicing them.
Yes! I agree completely
The past is full of psychopaths, and not just men but women also! Bloody Mary had alot of people put to death and there was a Hungarian Royal that use to put on gauntlets with metal claws and carve up virgin girls and bathe in their blood. There were many women rulers who murdered millions of people if you think there were no female nazis guess again. The female serial killer in TX who the movie Monster was made after admitted to lying about the rapes and said her motivation for murdering the men was money to support her girlfriend and the thrill of the kill plus she didn't want any witnesses.
🤨... teach budding psychopaths during high school how to hone their game? I'm sure if there were an effective curriculum for identifying those who by definition won't admit they are what they are it would be out there. I would love to know how to teach youth about something that trained psychotherapists often run screaming from. What about the four-year-old girl who smothers babies just because she feels like it, or it's fun for her? Wait until highschool?
The only real solution is for people to stop making babies they do not want.
Argh those "Function Words" are very telling! I never had a name for it before, so thank you for highlighting this aspect of a general conversation with your everyday psychopath/sociopath. I always wondered how I could always spot one without always realising their speech patterns!
TH-cam is turning me into a nutcase.
@@laurieberry162 stop binging
This guy is like reading a 📖. It is informative and helps me focus.
I love the attempt to be as neutral and non-judgemental as possible, given how strong the urge is as a human to let emotions take over. They're really trying. It's like, you have to understand what's going on in order to be able to maybe find some solutions. It seems we're in the early stages of that, and they're giving their best shot with what they have. It might lead nowhere, it might not, but this - getting to the roots of issues, understanding them, and from then on try and find ways to make things better - is what progress is all about.
Being neutral and non-judgemental about psychopaths is naive and ignorant. I've always maintained that the one thing the world REALLY needs isn't electric cars, it isn't clean energy, it isn't reduced pollution and better efficiency.
It's organized mass-slaughter. The world has plenty of psychopaths, and the only real, effective, final solution to the psychopath problem is to kill EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM.
Holocaust-style.
Empathy is something you are born with. Don't waste your time with trying to rehabilitate someone who is void of this basic human nature!
Psychopaths: Goal oriented. Inflicting pain, (unless that's part of The Goal) is not prioritized. If pain/ distress inflicted as biproduct of attaining goal, that is of no concern to psychopath.
Sociopaths: Feed off infliction of emotional distress. More disorganized, reactionary. Inflicting pain & distress *is* the motivational factor of the Sociopath.
Both capeable of cold empathy, logistical only to better serve assimilation & manipulation tactics.
Both are subcategories of Malignant Narcissism.
awesome job on recreating the dynamic camera angles and scenes! one of the best toy demos I’ve ever seen in a long time
This was fascinating! Really enjoyed it. Thank you for posting.
As a scientist, I see a few questionable points in their methodology that would require more clarification. 1. It appears this was not a "double blind" study. The authors conjectured what the outcome of the study would be, and one of the co-authors (the guy on the phone) was performing the interviews and knew beforehand which of the individuals were psychopaths. Even unconsciously, this may bias the interview ("trying to find what you're looking for"). 2. The sample group is extremely small, and there were half the number of psychopaths than non-psychopaths. 3. They used automated statistical language analysis tools, which typically have a failure rate of 10-20%.
Maybe so, but linguistic abnormalities have been consistently identified in psychopaths. I agree that, given the objections you raised, more replications should be done. But the results aren't really doubtful.
Look at the bright side. Psychoanalysis is getting some validation using computational methods. Of course the model comes from psychotherapy, but they can see if there's consistency. Has that already been done? I have no idea.
Problematic in so many other ways as well. Thanks for this comment, clearly written and arguments backed up with info.
Yes, this has nothing to do with science, they are pitching the wonders of dragnet surveillance. His comment on his "work for intelligence agencies" should have been the biggest clue. Serial killers aren't under the purview of the CIA or any other intelligence agency. Notice how he extols the wonders of collecting text messages, the problem of getting a fire-hose of messages to sift through, then catches himself and says, "Well we asked people for their last 20 messages." Yeah right you mouthbreather you went out and got consent from individuals to hand over their last 20 messages individually and that constitutes a firehose. This whole thing is sickening, don't people see what is going on? Well we gotta stop serial killers. When was the last time you heard of a serial killer? For me I think it was the early 2000s, haven't heard of them since, funny how that is ain't it? Seems like in the 80s and 90s we had one every week, and now nada. They already have the tools they need to stop serial killers. This is about devising some unpublished super secret test that tells them that you are a danger to society and that there is no hope of treatment for you long before you ever commit a crime, and it won't be serial killers, it will be dissidents they use this on.
yeah its a good starting point, but we need to go further.
Thank you, Professor Hancock, for uploading this video.
I would like to see more on detecting nonviolent but manipulative psychopaths in everyday life. 85% of psychopaths are not in prison, and those are the ones who affect the rest of us the most.
Really?
yeah we only ever talk about the one version of a psychopath...the major crimes version lolol
Look to politics, especially federal level. This is where a large chunk of that 85% can be found and observed. It is not unusual to see them moving between both populations though (the 15% and the 85%).
@@bovinityleak2066 Exactly. Government is a good place to start setting legal precedents in barring social predators.
@@WayOfAges Sure sure. But i was talking about where you will find a huge bucket of psychopaths. You knew that though.
Literally spring up off the floor and reach over my strawberry yogurt to turn up the volume about how psychopaths like to describe what they eat- At times- After committing a crime- So extremely interesting- Diversion- Strawberry is not my favorite- Although it's probably most popular- I didn't do anything-
No doubt these researchers owe a lot to Robert Hare, who developed the checklist that was mentioned. His life is very interesting and someone should write a biography of Hare, or he would write autobiography.
I'd like to see a correlation between their analysis technique results and brain scans.
That's a good one
I wonder why they just don't use brain scans instead?
@zero They tell you if the empathy part works or is broken
This is so very eye opening and interesting. I have someone in my life from a few years ago that had so many of these characteristics and this program has helped immensely. Thank you.
Every psychopath is a narcissist. But not every narcissist is a psychopath.
Narcissist gives intermittent reward ; sociopaths have an emotional barrenness and delight in of how much they can deplete their prey without reward, (imho) It is candidly sadistic.
Every narcissist also lacks empathy. More impulsive more common.
That is not true. I would bet billions of dollars on this.
No, this is not correct; not every psychopath is a narcassist and vice versa.
This is correst. Every psychopath and sociopath are narcissist.
after he pointed out his "umm", it was all i could hear
Amazing speaker. I did keep getting distracted because he's so damn cute though.
Cam Hos 😝
Cam Hos Agreed but he’s not gay. 👍🤣😂😅😊😮
I agree. 😊
If you listen to Chris Watts who killed his family the details he relates regarding food is uncannily accurate to this .
What did he say about food?
"Every Breath You Take" on the hold music. Fascinating.
Fascinating discussion. Taught me so much that is very very useful. Mainstream culture is deeply imbued with psychopathy today. The manipulation we face in all guises and forms is phenomenal. A direct approach to deception is what all normal & decent need to develop.
Mainstream culture does seem narcissistic, psychopathic, and the lying manipulation we face today is so unbelievable, most of us don't know how to react, or how to address lies and censorship of actual life saving truths. Your comment, Romi Dogra, made me think of Camille Vasquez's cross examination of Amber Heard. Amber was rattled when confronted with the unvarnished truth of her lies. The best approach to lies is direct, simple, statement of truth, without giving in to the myriad of distractions meant to mislead.
Not very mysterious. Almost 2 entire generations were raised in daycare now. End of story. Minimum wage workers who usually can't stand kids. No empathy experienced at such a crucial stage in life. Seems obvious to me. World, raise your own kids. Teach them love. Teach them empathy. These are not innate traits. Compare this to sensory deprivation in Eastern European nations in orphanages. Not a far cry considering the epidemic of psychopathy around the world. Occam's Razor or K.I.S.S
@@happygolucky9986 interesting view point, I worked as a teacher at a daycare, I was about 42. You do get all types of personalities and interesting characters. Most were loving n caring, majority of the time and many were good at their jobs. I saw more dysfunction in the parents, leaving their children, It really starts at home. Appreciate your comment. ✌️
Prof. Woodworth,
Thank you for educating everyone on here. I find your lectures to be very informative and to the point. We all are familiar or know someone like that I believe. For me, its one of my grandfathers who had psychopathic tendencies. He enjoyed dehumanizing myself at 7 and my half brother who was 13 by physical/verbal means. Made both of us cry. Enjoys putting us in dangerous situations for his amusement only. Actually was quite capable of telling the truth too, when asked. He was a concentration camp victim/ World War II orphan. Other grandparents who were also born during the same time period mid 1930's just didn't behave like that.
"Psychopathy is well defined, yet I can't define it for you and I don't distinguish it from sociipathy"
Then it's not defined at all.
Lots of people will give you long explanations of the difference between psychopaths, sociopaths, and antisocial personality disorder. They often conflict, and really don't matter. It seems to be mostly a fashion thing.
@ The DSMs represent a combination of current fashion, and what insurance will cover. They shuffle symptoms and naming conventions around from one edition to another in ways that may or may not be helpful.
@@ernststravoblofeld I understand the process well. The changes reflect a shift from the political strength in the mental health disciplines from neo-Freudians to behaviorists. I'm and old man with two degrees in psychology, and my father was a psychologist. I remember when B.F. Skinner declared that consciousness was an "epiphenomenon." What the behaviorists did was remove ALL references to mental processes, hence the change to the DSM over time.
that's a good point.
@@ernststravoblofeld so DSMs have no scientific value at all in your eyes?
I feel like the insurance industry wouldn't pay out for anything that didn't have scientific value and was merely "fashion"...
Amazing stuff guys. I will look for this paper and rewatch this video. Sounds like great work! I hope to find more, truly fascinating!
Worked as a private hire driver for a while and the worst people I had the misfortune to carry were professors from the medical faculty of my local Russell Group University. Horrible snobs who were obviously on the psychopathic spectrum. Nasty! Think Victorian grave robbers/body snatchers and you will be close.
Medical profession attracts psychopathic individuals because it gives them sense of power and superiority likewise police and prison guards.
Infants that do not bond during the first year of life grow up being a person with out empathy.
Same exoedience with professors in the medical field in university hospitals. Totally devoid of empathy, comprehention, arrogant, cold...and more.
I feel what you say and i get the shivers.
I allways say...they feel like Dr. Mengele.
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Very true indeed. But not allways. Some are more empathic, then bonded ones.
But indeed, most end in the spectrum.
The worst part is that Doctors decide who gets into medical school. They prefer other psycopaths.
A woman I once knew told me a story over lunch that at age 6 her brother was kicked out of a school they both attended because he was a congenital liar, but she wasn't kicked out b/c she was so bad at lying that she never lied. Later in life she left her marriage of 10 years and three kids to marry a man worth over $ 30 mil and 40 years her senior. To prove to him she wasn't in it for the money she took a job working for a man who once told me that when he walked on Cuba's beaches 13 and 14 year old girls would pull his blank for a dollar. He was a racketeer (legal advisor was his title) to bureaucrats and politicians. He relished stalking and ruining his ex-employees - no one who left his co. ever got a legal job again. It was weird to watch these two things interact.
No
@@louiserussell6638 No? Yes, yes indeed. Horrifying but true.
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Something psychological happens presumably in the mind.
Thank you Doctor
My ex-husband went to Cornell.
He got his Ph.D at Northwestern University.
He worked as a Nuclear Physicist for the Navy.
He used to have trouble expressing emotions until the Navy hired him as a contract scientist.
His psychiatrist tried for a year to get him in touch with his emotional self & it sort of worked but was going slow.
The Navy asked him to do something for them, and it brought back all his emotions in a rush. He got so upset about their request that he took himself off the project. He never DID tell me what they wanted him to do.
A clue would be in any advice he gave you following that incident. Did he ever say anything like, “please don’t ever….” Or, always remember….”?
Sounds like PTSD not psychopathy
He just needs therapy and emotional support.
I feel your words....
My story is similar.
I had a dog.
Who used to play with everyone.
One day.
It decided to play,
with car.
It survived.
And didn't want to play with cars.
Ever since.
Has anyone studied psychopaths in the police, prosecutor, judge and court workers? It seems these people have a degree of psychopathy which attracts them to the profession and gives them insight into criminals, but also tempts them to commit small digressions and crimes themselves through their job.
Small… or extremely large.
People have studied psychopathy in authority for decades. The conclusion they reached was that a whole lot of them were psychopaths themselves, and even the ones that weren't had a high incidence of malignant narcissism.
Massive Ego + Low Conscientiousness = Authority
100% True!
they seek power. What does that tell you?
Studies suggest a significant majority of law-enforcement have personality disorders