To vote for next weeks deck, head over to the article on the Goldfish site. There's a straw poll at the bottom featuring a bunch of holiday-flavored Against the Odds options! www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-devoted-to-garruk
Seth has finally made decks 5 for each of the most important mono colored planeswalkers in game. Yes, he didn't miss any. In alphabetical order: Garruk (Against the Odds: Devoted to Garruk) Gideon (Against the Odds: Gideon Tribal) Jace (Against the Odds: Esper Jace Tokens) Liliana (Against the Odds: Liliana Tribal) But wait Bryan, he didn't play the most important red planeswalker?! Well hypothetical person, yes he did. If you paid attention to his channel, you would know that he played the most important red planeswalker first. It's so important it's more important than these other scrub cards. Tibalt (Against the Odds: Burning Tibalt) Now Seth can move on to decks based around the dual colored walkers.
The-Jaded he technically has a Chandra deck in budget magic. It was a mono red wildfire/land destruction deck. Non-budget version is basically Chandra tribal
It’s more like he did the original 5 Planeswalkers. The only reason Wizards didn’t make Garrick a member of the Gatewatch was because of the whole Chain Veil debacle turned out. That said, I actually really enjoy Nissa because of her story/character aspects. She’s kinda the Zen Sage of the Gatewatch.
Garruk was my first planeswalker (and you NEVER forget your first.) Good job making him rock out loud. Although, "We just go way over the top of creature decks" seemed to have forgotten your battle against elves. Keep up the good stuff, Merry Christmas!
The Chain Veil : "Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn."
You and Richard should build 60 card singletons decks with as many scry effects as you can and play against each other. If you are playing all singletons and you scry something to the bottom and still draw it then that would prove there is a scry bug.
So I bought a random pack of Iconic Masters the other day and got Genesis Wave, and was mulling over ways to abuse it in modern. Then this shows up in my feed. Made my day!
MTGGoldfish firstly thanks for the reply Seth, LOVE the channel, secondly Yeah, I've been thinking about it since i posted my comment and between the golgari grave digging goodness, the discard, access to abrupt decay, nature's claim out of the board, the best removal, counterspells, and powerful cheap creatures including 'goyf, it's hard to see why it hasn't shown up sooner tbh lol.
built a garruk deck. not quite this build but it works very well. difference is I went for Genesis hydra's over genesis wave. gives it an edge against counter spell decks. on there own though garruk can taken over a game. bigger problem is flying, IE lingering souls tokens. it feels bad playing spells that kill flyers only, but it works against flying tokens that evade garruks tokens. but supporting garruk with pyroclasm does remedy bazar situations that garruks are slow for, or can't handle.
I think you should use mis matched cards in modo that way if you scry to the bottom and get the same print card you know its a bug! If you go through the game without shuffling you can draw the next card until you get to the bottom to see if its really there.
It might be. The first game of Legacy Kobolds was very sad, when opponent scooped before Seth could attack for 579 damage on turn 1 on the play. That would be a hard one to beat.
When you went Turn 1 Forest, Utopia Sprawl while you had a Birds in your hand, the optimal play was to drop Birds turn 1. Turn 2 you could tap the Birds to play Sprawl, which would get you 3 mana on turn 2 just like Sprawl first would, only this way you have a Birds out as well. Unless you were really, really worried about Birds eating a removal spell on turn 1, you should've played it first.
We won, but it was really long and boring (basically, we played a sideboard Scavenging Ooze and slowly beat them down while leaving up mana so they couldn't do much with thier graveyard).
By the way. I am the "abzan" guy that played against you when you tried that death cloud/dark petition deck. This series are so much fun. Keep going with new ideas.
About the "scry to the bottom, draw the same next or the following draw" thing, it totally happens all the time when I'm goldfishing. It's a bug in the Universe, not MTGO.
i don't have MTGO yet, but is there a way to test a desk with all scry-lands and some cards with masterpiece alters as one ofs (one regular and one alter in are the only copies in the deck)? if you scry a masterpiece and still get the masterpiece you would know there is a bug.
That first match is precisely why i hate death shadow decks. Granted, it's not a problem exclusive to DS decks, but all the big delve creatures give you access to one of the most efficient counterspells in the format when they're allowed to stay on board.
1:00 Hehe... listen to the excitement of Seth when he thinks he might be able to actually "play some magic." HAHAHA!!!! its sad that this how the state of Modern has become. Keep fighting the fight Seth, beat those odds!
So I think there were a couple moment when you're plays were a little disorganised. Like turn one sprawl or birds... It HAS to be turn one bird, so that next turn you can sprawl a forest and have three mana.
Fatal Push is one of the most played cards in Modern though, if the opponent kills the bird you only get 2 mana on turn 2 and it lets the opponent use up their mana optimally.
Felipe Rodrigues I see your point but utopia sprawl does to ghost quarter, another highly played card. I mentioned the above because sequencing wise garruk would be in play ALOT earlier. Also playing a Selky turn three when you have a five drop garruk a bird and a land in hand seems weak too. Just play bird and garruk turn four.
Ghost Quarter isn't nearly as played as 1 mana removal though, Birds also dies to Bolt and a number of other things. Another reason to play Utopia first is to protect it against turn 1 discard, it's much better to have Utopia in play than a Bird that can be killed at any moment, because the enchantment is much harder to deal with and it works better with a topdecked Arbor Elf.
There's a Reddit article where a guy watching a bunch of videos and noted about 33% of scry bottoms still being on top in like 200 games. Definitely a big but hard to prove in testing due to circumstances needed for the code to show the bug. Some believe that the system thinks the card is both on top and bottom, but one streamer drew the entire deck after that happened and had no extras and the one on the bottom. So it's possible that mtgo doesn't actually know the library order unless specified and randomizes each draw, which is BS
i dont see the point in progenitus and bad garruk. still struggles with ensnaring bridge and is easily avoidable. for a single stomping ground you could play 2 cut/ribbons, which gets around player hexproof, discard, worship, fog, ensnaring bridge. that all on its own. and maybe forces some graveyard hate from the opponent while still being a decent removal spell.
by the thought of not playing a card because of 1 card in the format (ensnaring bridge)....why would you ever play a non basic land?? blood moon is out there....I am not saying that progenitus is good here, but I am not a fan of saying you can't play a card because another card is in the format.
you compare bloodmoon (this deck gets easily around it) with discard? like the black staple (thoughtsieze and inquisition) ? And this time, it is about having different ways to win, other than attacking (and castable cards). Garruk sure, but a card with X in its mana costs not in a devotion deck ? And to videos, there is the video about on theme cards and just good cards (was about Commander decks). What a weird discussion, i just like brewing around, not having a clash of unrelated opinions.
You always do everything in the default teeny tiny windows where we can't even read the cards, and half the time can't see which thing you select until the effect happens, and now you managed to only click on like 70% of them
Hey Seth, gotta deck to show you that you might like! My own personal homebrew, it's a Biovisionary combo deck. Kind of inspired by the CoCo decks like Kitchen Finks, but the win conditions are, of course, Biovisionary and Geist of Saint Traft (might change to Mirran Crusader due to certain card synergies) Here's my decklist :P tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bioshock-combo/
I'm pretty new to mtg, especially online games. Why does everyone play death shadow so much? I mean wouldn't they want to play something unique and different then just the same thing over and over again? Just seems boring to me but idk the rewards of winning so that may be the reason why.
Part of what makes Magic so great is everyone had different goals and ideas about playing the game. I like to play fun, different decks, and while I like winning, that's not my priority. Other people would rather get as good as possible with the best deck possible to win as much as possible. Neither is better than the other, just different ways of going about the game.
MTGGoldfish thanks for responding Seth! Yeah that makes sense, I just feel bad for you sometimes having to play against the same deck over and over again. But it sure seems like you're enjoying it still. Also I loved this brew btw, keep it up!
But you need 1 of the 20 to use the other 12. I think said you should count things like birds as half a land or something, if so 26 sources seems fine.
Justin yeah, birds and elfs can be pushed and sprawls can be negated/destroyed (ghost quarter and stuff), still, as you said, if they are counted as half sources, the mana source count is pretty high.
To vote for next weeks deck, head over to the article on the Goldfish site. There's a straw poll at the bottom featuring a bunch of holiday-flavored Against the Odds options! www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-devoted-to-garruk
MTGGoldfish was a pleasure to play against you!!! Greetings profboom
Seth has finally made decks 5 for each of the most important mono colored planeswalkers in game. Yes, he didn't miss any. In alphabetical order:
Garruk (Against the Odds: Devoted to Garruk)
Gideon (Against the Odds: Gideon Tribal)
Jace (Against the Odds: Esper Jace Tokens)
Liliana (Against the Odds: Liliana Tribal)
But wait Bryan, he didn't play the most important red planeswalker?!
Well hypothetical person, yes he did. If you paid attention to his channel, you would know that he played the most important red planeswalker first. It's so important it's more important than these other scrub cards.
Tibalt (Against the Odds: Burning Tibalt)
Now Seth can move on to decks based around the dual colored walkers.
Oh my god I didn't know he made an Against the Odds with Tibalt, I'm gonna watch that right now.
Felipe Rodrigues That was the day Seth set out on the path to play all of the most relevant planeswalkers ever printed
thaaat Chandra diss :D
The-Jaded he technically has a Chandra deck in budget magic. It was a mono red wildfire/land destruction deck. Non-budget version is basically Chandra tribal
Chuksie Abani If it's not in the deck name, it's not the focus :p
"I guess we can take out Progenitus package" has to be the most spoken phrase of that episode. Good content
Seth be like "we were gonna do the whole Gatewatch, but Nissa is trash. Garruk time bois"
Nissa is trash
Nissa, bad green card
+1 do something.
-2 do next to nothing.
-6 do nothing
4
It’s more like he did the original 5 Planeswalkers. The only reason Wizards didn’t make Garrick a member of the Gatewatch was because of the whole Chain Veil debacle turned out. That said, I actually really enjoy Nissa because of her story/character aspects. She’s kinda the Zen Sage of the Gatewatch.
darren trivedi Man you kicked Ajani right in the balls. He was the original white planeswalker, and Seth has already done a Gideon Tribal.
Honestly I think he should do a planeswalker tribal video for every planeswalker. Heck, even Kiora has 3 now.
Tap, untap, tap, untap, tap, untap....tap....untap....
Hit our swans, draw some cards....hahaha. Tappity tap untap this time. He needs to make another song with tap untap
Chapterhouse86 discard our cards, make 32 zombies....
*Plays first round of video*
*"WE FINALLY GOT IT"*
ElectriicNine lol
God, Seth was so happy in the first game lol
First episode with a sponsor. We can see the channel growing :). I love rewatching all the episodes for that.
One of my favorite against the odds in a while. Thanks for the video!
Garruk was my first planeswalker (and you NEVER forget your first.) Good job making him rock out loud. Although, "We just go way over the top of creature decks" seemed to have forgotten your battle against elves. Keep up the good stuff, Merry Christmas!
I think of that build of Elves as more of a combo deck personally.
The Chain Veil : "Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn."
sadfsdafsdfasdfasdfs. It's bugged in MTGO as far as I know, only affects Planeswalkers in play due to that.
Now the next step is actually going infinite with The Chain Vel, with Ral Zarek to untap the veil and Garruk Wildspeaker to provide the mana.
Thank you so much for pronouncing Garruk correctly. I wasn't gonna be able to handle multiple games of someone saying Ga-rook over and over.
You and Richard should build 60 card singletons decks with as many scry effects as you can and play against each other. If you are playing all singletons and you scry something to the bottom and still draw it then that would prove there is a scry bug.
seth you CAN untap untapped permanents,
So I bought a random pack of Iconic Masters the other day and got Genesis Wave, and was mulling over ways to abuse it in modern. Then this shows up in my feed. Made my day!
Love this style of deck. Lot of fun to watch
Seth thanks for the content. Tribal planeswalker decks are awesome!
19:20 *insert To Be Continued meme*
This episode makes me happy :D Garruk is my boi! Thumbs up!
"We have a sad Nykthos" made me laugh so hard hahaha
Holy Thoughtseizes, Goldfish!
That last game was the nuts!
Cool deck, though I wonder if it might be better to have Tooth and Nail as a sideboard transformation plan. You've already got 90% of that deck there.
That Progenitus plan has me thinking...you should do a deck with the main plan being to get out a Progenitus.
If you haven't, of course.
We probably should do a Progenitus deck at some point. Good idea!
Sweet. It should be awesome!
Maybe then we'll finally find out what Progenitus does with the Relic of Progenitus.
21:05 SETH! After games where you run into the "Scry bug", draw out your deck and see if there's one on the bottom!
That bug deaths shadow list was brutal. Anyone know how it compares to the jund and Grixis variants?
I've just recently started seeing BUG pop up. It seems pretty good to me.
MTGGoldfish firstly thanks for the reply Seth, LOVE the channel, secondly Yeah, I've been thinking about it since i posted my comment and between the golgari grave digging goodness, the discard, access to abrupt decay, nature's claim out of the board, the best removal, counterspells, and powerful cheap creatures including 'goyf, it's hard to see why it hasn't shown up sooner tbh lol.
built a garruk deck. not quite this build but it works very well. difference is I went for Genesis hydra's over genesis wave. gives it an edge against counter spell decks. on there own though garruk can taken over a game. bigger problem is flying, IE lingering souls tokens. it feels bad playing spells that kill flyers only, but it works against flying tokens that evade garruks tokens. but supporting garruk with pyroclasm does remedy bazar situations that garruks are slow for, or can't handle.
It’d be cool to see the temur veil combo, ral zarek with nissa world waker going infinite with chain veil is fun.
I think you should use mis matched cards in modo that way if you scry to the bottom and get the same print card you know its a bug! If you go through the game without shuffling you can draw the next card until you get to the bottom to see if its really there.
Imagine if you ramped with this deck in tandem with the helix pinnacle. That would've been wild.
I don’t know, you think you could put together a Tron walker deck Seth?
The Progenitus in the sidebar just completely disappears under its own mana symbols.
Nice to see someone FINALLY not scoop to a crazy combo. Is -70 the record on this channel for a non-scoop life total?
It might be. The first game of Legacy Kobolds was very sad, when opponent scooped before Seth could attack for 579 damage on turn 1 on the play. That would be a hard one to beat.
The first half was spice city. :)
20:56 For the record, it is NOT theoretically possible that 50% of the times you have two The Chain Veil stacked on top of each others. ;)
When you went Turn 1 Forest, Utopia Sprawl while you had a Birds in your hand, the optimal play was to drop Birds turn 1. Turn 2 you could tap the Birds to play Sprawl, which would get you 3 mana on turn 2 just like Sprawl first would, only this way you have a Birds out as well. Unless you were really, really worried about Birds eating a removal spell on turn 1, you should've played it first.
What do you think of changing caller of beasts for the three drop Nissa? She a bit cheaper, makes tokens and can pump your team.
Nissa could be good, but it works against the Garruk flavor.
Uh.. What happen to game 2 vs dredge? You skipped straight to game 3
We won, but it was really long and boring (basically, we played a sideboard Scavenging Ooze and slowly beat them down while leaving up mana so they couldn't do much with thier graveyard).
I am looking forward to a "Spicy" very snow deck.
I hope that option wins.
32:15 Why is Seth on the draw rather than on the play?
Can someone explain not fighting Tarmogoyf with Garruk at 14:29?
A "Punt!" has been initiated. Should have had more Sound the Call in deck.
I was waiting for the holy day or settle the wreckage in the last one
Seth, the very last game should've gone for Primal Command shuffle graveyard + put land on top to reach flawless victory
Why no surgical extraction sideboarded in against Waste Not?
Maybe you could replace the progenitus, the caller of beasts and the predator for 3 mana Nissas, wich are good making tokens and pumping.
By the way. I am the "abzan" guy that played against you when you tried that death cloud/dark petition deck. This series are so much fun. Keep going with new ideas.
Any way you could add Panharmonicon in this bad boy?
Any reason not to run boseiju?
It does run one
Zack Estin In the board. If you're so dependant on resolving Genesis wave I feel like it should be mained.
We have one in the sideboard. Could play it main, but it's clunky sometimes with cards like Wistful Selkie.
Why didn't you board it in for the match against the Subborn Denials and Remands, like you suggested in the deck tech?
What are the chances of you revisiting this now that there's more Garruks?
"We make a beast, WE MAKE A BEAST."
There is definitely a scry bug! I top a esper charm, only 1 in the deck and on my draw a island
What if you were to play 2cmc land untappers to untap Nyxthos?
About the "scry to the bottom, draw the same next or the following draw" thing, it totally happens all the time when I'm goldfishing. It's a bug in the Universe, not MTGO.
i don't have MTGO yet, but is there a way to test a desk with all scry-lands and some cards with masterpiece alters as one ofs (one regular and one alter in are the only copies in the deck)? if you scry a masterpiece and still get the masterpiece you would know there is a bug.
Dredge and infect are the mains reasons why I don’t complain abut storm.
This deck reminds me of my firsr build for Atraxa: everybody killing anything but garruk and die to overrun
That first match is precisely why i hate death shadow decks. Granted, it's not a problem exclusive to DS decks, but all the big delve creatures give you access to one of the most efficient counterspells in the format when they're allowed to stay on board.
1:00 Hehe... listen to the excitement of Seth when he thinks he might be able to actually "play some magic." HAHAHA!!!! its sad that this how the state of Modern has become. Keep fighting the fight Seth, beat those odds!
Wouldnt Oath of Nissa would be great here also?
I think it would be fine, but i'm not 100% sure it's needed.
Deflecting palm against you should be the nutzz to cast
Only when it's an Emrakul.
no if he attack with overrun garruk
So I think there were a couple moment when you're plays were a little disorganised. Like turn one sprawl or birds... It HAS to be turn one bird, so that next turn you can sprawl a forest and have three mana.
Fatal Push is one of the most played cards in Modern though, if the opponent kills the bird you only get 2 mana on turn 2 and it lets the opponent use up their mana optimally.
Felipe Rodrigues I see your point but utopia sprawl does to ghost quarter, another highly played card. I mentioned the above because sequencing wise garruk would be in play ALOT earlier. Also playing a Selky turn three when you have a five drop garruk a bird and a land in hand seems weak too. Just play bird and garruk turn four.
Ghost Quarter isn't nearly as played as 1 mana removal though, Birds also dies to Bolt and a number of other things. Another reason to play Utopia first is to protect it against turn 1 discard, it's much better to have Utopia in play than a Bird that can be killed at any moment, because the enchantment is much harder to deal with and it works better with a topdecked Arbor Elf.
Gotta love putting your opponent to -70 with a finite combo.
That first match, that opponent was being too control too early in the beginning
Against Dredge, why did you play second on game 2?
How do I find the polls to vote?
Interesting how often a fog effect would wreck you.
Karn ajani(RW) teferi(Planeswalker) tezzeret, the seeker chain vail mana rocks
There's a Reddit article where a guy watching a bunch of videos and noted about 33% of scry bottoms still being on top in like 200 games. Definitely a big but hard to prove in testing due to circumstances needed for the code to show the bug. Some believe that the system thinks the card is both on top and bottom, but one streamer drew the entire deck after that happened and had no extras and the one on the bottom. So it's possible that mtgo doesn't actually know the library order unless specified and randomizes each draw, which is BS
To quote the Professor, "Paper Magic is better than On-line Magic. On-Line Magic is better than no Magic."
What is the point of Progenitus?
IF YOU INSIST ON SCREAMING PLEASE GET VOLUME COMPRESSION SOFTWARE FOR YOUR MICROPHONE! THANK YOU!
You messed up the chain veil some of the gurruks could have ticked up more
During the last game You could have shuffled in your graveyard and then Genesis wave again for the whole deck. Didn't need to but it would be funny.
NICE FAIR FUN DECK
Why is Progenitus even in there?
i dont see the point in progenitus and bad garruk. still struggles with ensnaring bridge and is easily avoidable. for a single stomping ground you could play 2 cut/ribbons, which gets around player hexproof, discard, worship, fog, ensnaring bridge. that all on its own. and maybe forces some graveyard hate from the opponent while still being a decent removal spell.
It's a garruk tribal against the odds deck?
Planeswalker tribal decks don't have to play bad planeswalkers, there are plenty of good ones to play instead.
Felipe Rodrigues did you watch the Liliana one? He plays at least one of each copy.
by the thought of not playing a card because of 1 card in the format (ensnaring bridge)....why would you ever play a non basic land?? blood moon is out there....I am not saying that progenitus is good here, but I am not a fan of saying you can't play a card because another card is in the format.
you compare bloodmoon (this deck gets easily around it) with discard? like the black staple (thoughtsieze and inquisition) ? And this time, it is about having different ways to win, other than attacking (and castable cards).
Garruk sure, but a card with X in its mana costs not in a devotion deck ? And to videos, there is the video about on theme cards and just good cards (was about Commander decks).
What a weird discussion, i just like brewing around, not having a clash of unrelated opinions.
That's the combo
I liked the part the most where he said "Garruk".
Seems like this deck could have used 2-3 Beat Withins rather than Progenitus and other cards like that he kept removing.
Guys! Vote for Beard Tribal! Do the right thing!
I want reindeer tribal so bad XD
7th's basic lands! 😍
The deck would be a lot cheaper if all the fetches were foothills (verdants not needed no basic swamps)
You always do everything in the default teeny tiny windows where we can't even read the cards, and half the time can't see which thing you select until the effect happens, and now you managed to only click on like 70% of them
"put target creature on top of its opponent's deck" sounds like an unstable card
Hey Seth, gotta deck to show you that you might like!
My own personal homebrew, it's a Biovisionary combo deck. Kind of inspired by the CoCo decks like Kitchen Finks, but the win conditions are, of course, Biovisionary and Geist of Saint Traft (might change to Mirran Crusader due to certain card synergies)
Here's my decklist :P tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bioshock-combo/
Looks sweet!
MTGGoldfish yeah, gonna be hard but, I’m going to make this deck as competitive as possible lol
It's not "BUG Death's Shadow," it's Sultai.
I'm pretty new to mtg, especially online games. Why does everyone play death shadow so much? I mean wouldn't they want to play something unique and different then just the same thing over and over again? Just seems boring to me but idk the rewards of winning so that may be the reason why.
Part of what makes Magic so great is everyone had different goals and ideas about playing the game. I like to play fun, different decks, and while I like winning, that's not my priority. Other people would rather get as good as possible with the best deck possible to win as much as possible.
Neither is better than the other, just different ways of going about the game.
MTGGoldfish thanks for responding Seth! Yeah that makes sense, I just feel bad for you sometimes having to play against the same deck over and over again. But it sure seems like you're enjoying it still.
Also I loved this brew btw, keep it up!
Am I wrong in feeling like this is a more inconsistent elves?
Also elves is boring, while this is super spicy.
I think you're most likely to win a tournament with Elves, but more likely to card a lot of Garruks with this deck.
@mtggoldfish It's deck analysis like that that makes you a pro, and us just humble viewers.
20 lands seems pretty greedy of a manabase
20 lands + 8 mana dorks + 4 utopia sprawls... that's 32 mana sources!
But you need 1 of the 20 to use the other 12. I think said you should count things like birds as half a land or something, if so 26 sources seems fine.
Justin yeah, birds and elfs can be pushed and sprawls can be negated/destroyed (ghost quarter and stuff), still, as you said, if they are counted as half sources, the mana source count is pretty high.
he was mana screwed a lot in these games so yeah.
shoutouts to profboom for going to -70
Cool
P O W E R F U L M A G I C
No'-As-Big-As-Medium-Garruk-But-Bigger-Than-Wee-Garruk-Garruk
It's not quite as good as the whale parade deck but it seems like the same principle.
you got mana screwed in almost everygame
Dude, that non stop removal and hand destruction deck is super annoying.
the voice dear god the voice
You scooped too early match 1 v elves
He was dead next turn
And has zero boardwipes to draw and no way to combo
-70 life LUL