The one thing you overlook about these things that might explain it's simplicity compared to the T-400 is it's SIZE. I saw these at the T2 Battle across time ride and they were HUGE.... way bigger than any other bipedal walking unit fielded by Skynet with the exception of the harvester from Terminator salvation. The T-70 is more of a bipedal HK than any sort of Terminator unit. thus the reason for the "clanker" look of the 400s was an engineering requirement to begin to downscale the mass of the humanoid unit. I'm willing to make a bet in terms of headcanon and logistics, they were too large, bulky and clunky to be used for any kind of infiltration work not to mention the AI was likely so rudimentary in the chassis it was nearly useless if it had any AI at all and wasn't just glorified walking sentry guns. Of no use in direct combat, so Skynet effectively "went back to the drawing board" for bipedal units with the 400 and up. making them regress aesthetically but progress in electronics, AI and internal sophistication.
Exactly that T70 looks huge and looks more advanced but miniaturisation of vital parts is difficult especially with the environment they have to cope with so you can obviously see the T600 / T800 in the T70 and T400. That’s a lot of T’s 😂😂😂 Plus they needed fast mass production the T400 is like a T34 tank 😂👍🏼
Pluse if the t-70 was ment to impress those close too or in the military brass odds are that big bastard was more form over function meaning skynet is left with this rudimentary automaton that I’m guessing moves like shit reacted slow as balls and would lock up in the chaos of a battlefield swamped with fallout and a crazy number of heat sigs
@@Redfoxjack The T-70 is Cyberdyne's version of ED-209: Its big, scary, armed to the teeth and can probably walk about five steps before toppling over and not being able to right itself, because it was designed to impress investors, rather than be a practical battlefield unit.
You could argue that while the T-400 was designed from the ground up by Skynet, the T-70 was adapted by Skynet because it was originally designed by Humans aka Cyberdyne. So once Skynet learned what it could from its clunky T-400 design of more circuitry and autonomous operation, it began to integrate Cyberdyne's dumb but stronger pistons/armor T-70 design cues into the advanced Circuitry of the T-400 to then produce the T-500 thru 800.
And it also sounds like a very early attempt at skynet to mimic humans for initial looks... and not yet understanding that merely basic bipedal form does not mean 'human' by appearnce. it was less of a visual issue as it came to the T-600s and their rubberskin, but they still had that massive uncanny valley feel when getting within any sort of recognition visual-range.
Absolutely agree! Thats what made the original terminators so appealing, relatable, and terrifying as it was realistic to us as humiods.. Or at Least it did to me anyway...
I always figured that the reason Cyberdyne created the T-70 was just to show what could be in the future, and probably didn't even work at all or very little. Maybe it had rudimentary targeting systems and could fire its weaponry, but it's hulking size and weight were not practical, resulting in the T-70 not being able to support it's own weight and would just topple over.
True, if it was a prototype built for investors, could have been missing quite a bit in terms of a finished product Skynet would find useful. It may not even have its own power supply, which would explain keeping them in a central location during a war.
The T-70 is Cyberdyne's version of OCP's ED-209: It's big, scary, armed to the teeth with powerful and impressive weapons and can barely walk five steps and throw a salute before firing it's weapons at stationary targets, set up for a demonstration to potential investors.
sunsetman22 It was in a way but it was off from what the gritty future truly was. It was a mediocre movie depicting that hopeless future, I love that movie in its own but didn’t match up with James Cameron’s dark future
Yeah I'm with you on that I wanna see a movie that captures the tone of the future scenes in the first terminator movie. Like Kyle Reese's dream sequences had this very hopeless gritty future. None of the new movies captures that horror like quality to it. You should look up Terminator Los Angeles resistance. It's an independent made game in the works. It looks like might be the closest thing we'll get. Here's a link check it out it looks cool m.th-cam.com/video/1wd9Yx4PjuM/w-d-xo.html
@@sunsetman22 Salvation was an origin story of HOW exactly JC came to command the Resistance. An was working towards an "All Future War" movie. Which is about the ONLY thing we sorta need BUT are still majorly lacking
sunsetman22 Exept for the part where it forget to actually make the apocalypse look terrifying. Skynet is more of a cliche sci fi villain in that film, instead of the unstoppable machine that required all kinds of miracles to defeat
The aesthetic difference makes more sense than it first appears. The T-70 looked superficially advanced because it's purpose was to impress investors. It wasn't actually capable of much. It was designed to "look cool". Skynet does not care about making robots that "look cool" or which impress anybody. It cares about what is effective.
Given that the T70 was a prototype for investors it might look more advanced but perhaps it's not. And that would also make sense why Skynet pretty much passed it up.
the T-70 in my opinion does stand up in cannon, this model was designed as a show prototype rather than an actual combat unit, so its safe to assume that it was much harder to make on in mass as apposed to the t-400 which was most likely comprised of scrap metal for Armour. this would mean that to a logical mind like skynet it was better to have more t-400 than a few t-70 which would be easily outnumbered on a battlefield. and by the time skynet had established proper factories to make more complex components it had already though up more efficient/cost effective designs
Francisco Delgado originally a well written character in the 80’s cartoon, he was completely butchered in live action. T-70’s head resembles his live action head.
Random Person I wouldn’t call the 80s Starscream well written lol. He’s just funny in that. For a well written one i’d say the TF Prime version probably.
My guess is the T70 looks a lot more advanced than it is functionally. Think ED209, which like many American cars looked a lot better than it actually performed, as a marketing feature. Aesthetics are not a valid marker of functionality and sound engineering. It also could have been less cost-effective in terms of manufacturing time, yield, materials applied or other more important equipment was in use doing other things. You're going by how you emotionally judge shapes as a human being. The 400 was also a testbed. The 70 was to impress investors. I love these videos, but I've been wondering what the music in the background is now for months. Keep up the good work.
Might be the T-70 was a proof of concept that although the frame was more sleek looking, the internal systems were unreliable or inefficient. With the T 400 a more hardened battlefield capability and the aesthetics to impress investors stripped away for functionality.
This right here would have made a unique story for a movie. The evolution of the terminators. Terminator Salvation had the idea but did not execute it.
Terminator 3 also had the idea and did not execute it, lol. Although, that deleted scene with Arny as Sgt. Candy is one of the best things in the world.
The T-70 when I first saw interested me when I went to experience T2 3D: Battle Across Time in Florida. I loved the show, but it was taken down, and no news has popped up about it.
Likewise with the Back to the Future: The Ride, which was replaced by The Simpsons: The Ride. I was there in July, 2000. Unfortunately, I never visited the Terminator ride, but visited the before mentioned BTTF ride.
T-70 scared me as a kid. being in the T2-3D show with them actually there and they were aiming all over the place before pointing their lasers at a target and like 4 or 6 of them started shooting the targets... but the part where they aim all around the audience scared the crap out of me lol
One of the things Skynet had to do early on is take over production and mining facilities, even within the T2 trilogy novels, some of those were automated, but having a handful of T-70's would have been an advantage for using human made tolos and processes to develop the suppot and supply network Skynet needed. For example, a vehicle hauling cargo gets a blow out, there's a T-70 onboard who can grab the spare and change it while guarding it.
The only excuse I heard that the T70 were phased out and never deployed was because their processing was so primitive, that they were most likely to shoot each other just as they were to shoot humans. Not only that but they were developed a few days before Judgment day that I could see Skynet loosing the Schematics to build more especially since their was probably no digital copy of them.
I suppose, with the limited resources Skynet had at the beginning maybe it couldn't afford to mass-produce t-70s, so it made a cheaper model based on the t-70 to get the job done on a budget. Later on however when Skynet eventually got access to more resources it had already designed the t-500 which looks to have a very similar chassis with the t-70 so it mass-produced t-500s instead.
Perhaps skynet figured the T400 was more effective for higher production. Since it had limited production facilities and resources towards the beginning. Because any of these robot models would far superior to humans when it to come to combat I believe.
I got to see these bad boys at Universal Studios Florida back in 96. They were bad ass. I wonder what happened to them? I'd love to get my hands on one.
my explanation is that the T-400 was a unit made out of surplus and inferior materials - which is why they were still in service until the superior refinery method used to make the T-800 had been perfected.
Isn’t the T-70 the first bipedal terminator in the T-2 timeline? Since of course Cyberdyne used the salvaged T-800 as a inspiration. Like how the chest, legs, and shoulders look reminiscent of the T-800.
could be a case of desing vs functionality. maybe the T-70 was opticaly more on the humanoid side but the CPU could be more crapy, the servors could be inferior or a reason to not use them right after the nuclear exchange was they are to complex to build many reasons this model falls through
I like to think that skynet couldnt mass produce the T-70 (either because of the points mentioned in the video or other theories) and so skynet had to essentially forget the T-70 and start from scratch, therefore they made the T-400 - with maybe some inspiration from the T-70 since that would be a good idea and reason for the model’s vague similarities.
The reason the timelines dont follow each other can be due to timetravel. There are in cannon literally multiple parrallel timelines where tech was developed at different years and levels
I wish we could've seen this awesome Iron Legion-like robot in action in a fucking movie.... Instead, we just got JUNK. Also, the Flying Mini Hunter Killers would've been so awesome to see in a movie
i think the t400 was skynet making a sub par recreation of the t70 because skynet had not yet gained skill at designing robots. you can see how they slowly got better and surpassed the t70, before dumping the platform altogether when making the t900 with a completely new endo design.
This makes sense to me actually. It was probably easier to manufacture the T400 because it doesnt require precious materials. In WW2 it was easier to manufacture the kar98 rather than the mp40 even though the mp40 is a superior weapon. Skynet probably didnt have the resources to make the T70 in large numbers. The T400 offers the most value for the resources Skynet had at the time.
The T-400 makes sense in terms of materials / production costs. A rouge AI would still need a bi-pedal worker class with grasping hands for all sorts of tasks, not just in terms of lethality / security, but for production / manufacturing, maintenance and all the menial tasks that are part of developing and maintaining a modern war-machine. In that case, it would want something it can mass-produce as quickly and cheaply as possible, and so you end up with something that is made with less, cheaper materials, and less refinments than a T-70.
I would say the T70 was probably just a very expensive prototype that never really worked probably and that's why they weren't used. Sounds like something a defense contractor would do
Make sense to me. T70 looks just to complicated for early programs to build. Im sure it was overly complicated with tinny parts that had to be exact dimension and put together with fine dexterity and everything had to be hand fitting IE what ppl are good for. The t400 looks simple with robust parts, easily manufactured parts, that simple assemble on automated lines can produce.
From what I recall of the Universal Studio show, these things where HUGE! like 8 feet tall,so guard dog was probably the best use of these units. If skynet only had a few of these, and no ability to produce them, its likely because in 1997, after judgment day, it took Skynet a while to make much of anything. Artificial or not, Skynet was an infant. Huge capacity for learning, but nobody to teach it. As established in the first film, they nuked a lot of earth, a lot of destroyed records and files. Since military targets where essential for survival, the top secret plans for this and many other proto-terminators where likely destroyed.
The only reason the T-70 had a humanoid appearance was because its design was based directly on the recovered remains of the T-800 sent back to 1984. The T-400 was one of the first models to be designed by Skynet rather than Cyberdyne, and this was before Skynet came up with the idea of infiltration units.
i think the t400 is an improvement as if you look at the designs the t400 has 2 hands allowing it to pick up human weapons and use them against humans it also doesn't have a minigun arm slowing it down allowing for more mobility and it appears to either have a shoulder mounted weapon or targeting system/camera allowing it to probably see enemies behind it and the bulkiness may have provided better armor as well as it looks more solid then the t-70 does
Makes sense this looks like something out of Transformers since Skynet would have knowledge of the tv shows in the 80s...so they said lets draw on that Transformers cartoon to create our first humanoid looking infantry unit
It does make sense if you look at cyberdyne as a human defense co rather than sky net the machine Al, maybe this was as far as looks more appealing but as far as function in killing t 70 may lack in skynets opinion
Maybe there was a copyright problem? I seem to remember reading that Skynet only had a few of the T 70s, and the 4 hundreds or made out of the limited scrap immediately after the war.
Love your videos... I also agree about the expanded universe issues.... I feel that Writers don't often take into account how to make it work... Maybe its being too much of a fanboy - But funnily I can actually fix the canon - Including the T-70 issue and even Dark Fate... The worst mistake they always make is IGNORING the Paradox!!! USE IT!
It makes sense skynet would not use them. While it may look better, do we know its cpu? It may have poorly function with its lower end software and the t-400 might have functioned better. This cannon is hard to follow when you compare it to the t-800 cannon
Makes sense to me T70 man made prototype aquired by skynets uprising. Begins making T- factories Gaurded by T70's by time factories are constructed the R&D branch of skynet re-designed their own Terminator and began plans for human Bloodfarms and cyborg infiltration units.
That canon detail can be explained away - the T-70 was not created by SkyNET. The T-400 was the first humanoid terminator to be created by SkyNET. SkyNET considered the T-400 to be more humanoid than the previous robots it had created itself.
You may (or may not) be forgetting that the Terminator franchise actually has continuity violations taken into account, as each film (Terminator 2 onward) takes place in a timeline which has been altered by the previous entry.
I would perhaps like to explain why Skynet would have gone for the T-400 over the T-70, and that's manufacturing costs. The T-400 has very basic blocky shapes and can probably easily be built out of sheet metal, considering the T-70's head on its own appears to require quite a lot of machining, it would take a lot more work to build a T-70. To win a war of the scale Skynet is fighting, a million "good enough" weapons is more useful than ten thousand "much better" weapons. Besides, the T-70 and T-400 are both supposed to be expendable and recover losses quickly as basic cheap infantry units; Considering how much less expensive a T-400 would be to produce, it can be replaced faster and thus makes for a better expendable weapon.
The reason the T-70 seems more advanced is because it came from future tech salvaged from the T-800 sent back to kill Sara Conner in the first film. So the T-400 was built first in a future unchanged by skynet. Then when the terminator was sent back the past was changed and T-70 were created much sooner. These T-70s came from T-2-ish lore. They were in the Universal stage show of T-2. But keep in mind much of the technology was advanced by the salvaging of the arm from that first terminator sent back.
The T-70 has multiple things that makes it simple why skynet didn't use the idea for the t-400. It's far too big, wide, one of its arms is a gun and it's built for battle not infiltration
I don't remember where I heard this from but originally there was no t70. In the uninterfered future, t400 was the first humanoid prototype. Until the timeline got twisted by the presence of the first t800 from the first movie. Then after that skynet tried to remake t800 with it's current technology. T70 was invented based on the remaining data of the first t800. But the technology didn't support mass production. And there were many issues with the model. So skynet (in the interfered timeline) backed to the drawing board and started with t400 humanoid experimental again.
I have a question Why would SKYNET even bother with infiltration units.....when it could easily build models that just steamroll human targets like so much dirt
Not sure if this is relevant, but i almost see the T-70 as a show floor model... not necessarily fully combat capable or fully functional, Maybe almost like Darpa's BIGDOG robot, clearly working but not fully functional or combat ready/capable. A model to impress possible investors and further the terminator project, in that case i could understand why it looks "newer" or more "technologically advanced" also, just as a side note is it possible that the t-70 had inherit flaws, maybe with weak AI, non functional targeting systems or even issues with manoeuvrability that Skynet saught to solve with other models and apply to the T-70 frame etc.. not totally knowledgeable about Terminator but thought i could get involved.
Perhaps the T-70 was more advanced but at the time needed to make alot of t400 robots as an army vs one off advanced robots until they are needed later.
To be fair though just because it's more advanced it doesn't mean it's the superior unit. I mean if it costs like 10x the resources to produce for instance then it might not be feasible.
Question is, how come the resistance were unable to defeat Skynet at this weak a stage of machine development, but then suddenly overpowers them once they have swaths of indestructible Arnolds?
Because human tech was largely obliterated. They had to scavenge, and part of what they were scavenging was Skynet tech. The more human Skynet made its foot soldiers look, the more easily Tech-Com could scavenge those foot soldiers' weapons and turn them back on the machines.
The resistance most likely wasn’t even established at that point in time. Also they defeated Skynet by reprogramming their own T-800s against them. And the fact that they salvaged weapons and armor from the HK tanks after destroying them with well placed bombs.
I could easily see a T-400 coming after a T-70. Remember that they are fighting a war, and depending on what resources Skynet has I can easily see later models be made of cheaper material if they have limited access to resources. Why use your more expensive materials on a infiltrator when a bomber plane or a tank will kill more people in the battlefield? And I can imagine Terminators being more developed once they got much better and a terminator in the battlefield finally was considered a better option than a tank or a bombing jet, or if more resources became available to Skynet and it could really go to town with experimental Terminator models.
There was an interesting fan theory online about Legion being the original AI and SkyNet being reverse engineered from Legion, originally, rather than itself. So Legion invented Terminators, and SkyNet was birthed and acquired the Terminator designation from Legion's Terminator scraps in an original (unseen) timeline. Then Dark Fate's future war is the "original" timeline, and Terminator 1 is a few time loops in.
The T-70 was part of some Amusement park attraction based on Terminator. How it, somehow, made it into "Canon" is anyone's guess. Personally I do not consider it a "Canon" item at all. Someone tried to make it Canon to justify it's existence. Simple as that IMO
There is another possibility which does not mess with the Canon at all it's possible that the T 400 was one of the first attempts to reverse engineer what we first see in the T 70 that is why the T 70 looks more advanced than the T 400. If that is the case then Skynet doesn't succeed in creating something even close to the T 70 until you get to the T 600 which explains why the T 400 looks like a Battle droid from Star Wars. What do you think of this explanation?
try looking at this as a military combat weapon. A military force will use whatever equipment it can while saving resources and trying to stand ground while being as conservative as possible, in this case i believe this was a prototype that saw great promise but as war broke out it used far too many resources and was benched as a cost effective solution was created in the form of the t-400 terminators. there experimentation could be done to make a far more effective weapon that would use better quality materials and evolved on the technology that was presented.
The one thing you overlook about these things that might explain it's simplicity compared to the T-400 is it's SIZE. I saw these at the T2 Battle across time ride and they were HUGE.... way bigger than any other bipedal walking unit fielded by Skynet with the exception of the harvester from Terminator salvation. The T-70 is more of a bipedal HK than any sort of Terminator unit. thus the reason for the "clanker" look of the 400s was an engineering requirement to begin to downscale the mass of the humanoid unit.
I'm willing to make a bet in terms of headcanon and logistics, they were too large, bulky and clunky to be used for any kind of infiltration work not to mention the AI was likely so rudimentary in the chassis it was nearly useless if it had any AI at all and wasn't just glorified walking sentry guns. Of no use in direct combat, so Skynet effectively "went back to the drawing board" for bipedal units with the 400 and up. making them regress aesthetically but progress in electronics, AI and internal sophistication.
Exactly that T70 looks huge and looks more advanced but miniaturisation of vital parts is difficult especially with the environment they have to cope with so you can obviously see the T600 / T800 in the T70 and T400.
That’s a lot of T’s 😂😂😂
Plus they needed fast mass production the T400 is like a T34 tank 😂👍🏼
Pluse if the t-70 was ment to impress those close too or in the military brass odds are that big bastard was more form over function meaning skynet is left with this rudimentary automaton that I’m guessing moves like shit reacted slow as balls and would lock up in the chaos of a battlefield swamped with fallout and a crazy number of heat sigs
@@Redfoxjack The T-70 is Cyberdyne's version of ED-209: Its big, scary, armed to the teeth and can probably walk about five steps before toppling over and not being able to right itself, because it was designed to impress investors, rather than be a practical battlefield unit.
You could argue that while the T-400 was designed from the ground up by Skynet, the T-70 was adapted by Skynet because it was originally designed by Humans aka Cyberdyne.
So once Skynet learned what it could from its clunky T-400 design of more circuitry and autonomous operation, it began to integrate Cyberdyne's dumb but stronger pistons/armor T-70 design cues into the advanced Circuitry of the T-400 to then produce the T-500 thru 800.
And it also sounds like a very early attempt at skynet to mimic humans for initial looks... and not yet understanding that merely basic bipedal form does not mean 'human' by appearnce. it was less of a visual issue as it came to the T-600s and their rubberskin, but they still had that massive uncanny valley feel when getting within any sort of recognition visual-range.
I wish we would see older terminator versions in the movies, not just the crazy polyalloy liquid metal nonsense
Ditto. The T-1 in Rise of the Machines didn't cut it for me. I'd even like to see more of the T-600.
@@meaty220 they did use the t-1 in salvation
Absolutely agree! Thats what made the original terminators so appealing, relatable, and terrifying as it was realistic to us as humiods.. Or at Least it did to me anyway...
Yes. The CG particles terminators just don’t do it . Much prefer mechanical updates. Not snowflake man of death.
@@fantasticmrnox they did? I must've missed it. When?
Everybody's a gangster until this thing starts to scan a F-22 Raptor
The head does look a little like starscream doesn’t it
I see you are a man of culture as well
michael bay called he wants his head design back!🤣👍
The brown color and build reminds me of the ABC warrior from Judge Dredd.
Mission? - ABC
@@antcow1239 Mission?.. hehe were going to war.
@@sonny凡 Warrrrr! - ABC
thank you! I was trying to place where I seen the similarities before.
I think the ABC Warrior more badass!
I always figured that the reason Cyberdyne created the T-70 was just to show what could be in the future, and probably didn't even work at all or very little. Maybe it had rudimentary targeting systems and could fire its weaponry, but it's hulking size and weight were not practical, resulting in the T-70 not being able to support it's own weight and would just topple over.
True, if it was a prototype built for investors, could have been missing quite a bit in terms of a finished product Skynet would find useful. It may not even have its own power supply, which would explain keeping them in a central location during a war.
@@stevehagen9804 Totally agree!
The T-70 is Cyberdyne's version of OCP's ED-209: It's big, scary, armed to the teeth with powerful and impressive weapons and can barely walk five steps and throw a salute before firing it's weapons at stationary targets, set up for a demonstration to potential investors.
@@stevehagen9804 Skynet used T70s as colossal guardians for important facilities, therefore the prototypes were useful
It looks like a friggin' Bionicle.
You look like bionicle
@@evilpimp2475 Nop...he looks like Master Chef
This dude literally has a Starscream head. This is bad comedy.
Love your content keep up the good work
that is the first thing i though when i saw the thumbnail. i was like "why's it look like starscream?"
Maybe Starscream stole the look
it's true what the other channel said; " the Terminator franchise has hit a creative dead end."
I like it
I still want a dark, griddy future war movie before they time traveled.
I thought Salvation was exactly that?
sunsetman22 It was in a way but it was off from what the gritty future truly was. It was a mediocre movie depicting that hopeless future, I love that movie in its own but didn’t match up with James Cameron’s dark future
Yeah I'm with you on that I wanna see a movie that captures the tone of the future scenes in the first terminator movie. Like Kyle Reese's dream sequences had this very hopeless gritty future. None of the new movies captures that horror like quality to it. You should look up Terminator Los Angeles resistance. It's an independent made game in the works. It looks like might be the closest thing we'll get. Here's a link check it out it looks cool m.th-cam.com/video/1wd9Yx4PjuM/w-d-xo.html
@@sunsetman22 Salvation was an origin story of HOW exactly JC came to command the Resistance. An was working towards an "All Future War" movie. Which is about the ONLY thing we sorta need BUT are still majorly lacking
sunsetman22 Exept for the part where it forget to actually make the apocalypse look terrifying. Skynet is more of a cliche sci fi villain in that film, instead of the unstoppable machine that required all kinds of miracles to defeat
The aesthetic difference makes more sense than it first appears. The T-70 looked superficially advanced because it's purpose was to impress investors. It wasn't actually capable of much. It was designed to "look cool". Skynet does not care about making robots that "look cool" or which impress anybody. It cares about what is effective.
This pretty funny, state of the art metal shell basically
Actually they did care, they made terminators look terrirfying for psychological warfare.
It would make more sense to use the t400 for combat research since it takes less to mass produce, and can be used for actual research.
fusiontoa18 So you think the priority is making them look scary over an easy to produce and combat effective unit?
@@saltminer7065 no lel im saying both things were takken in concideration
Given that the T70 was a prototype for investors it might look more advanced but perhaps it's not. And that would also make sense why Skynet pretty much passed it up.
The chain gun would probably run out of ammo quickly and re supplying mid battle would be impossible
the T-70 in my opinion does stand up in cannon, this model was designed as a show prototype rather than an actual combat unit, so its safe to assume that it was much harder to make on in mass as apposed to the t-400 which was most likely comprised of scrap metal for Armour. this would mean that to a logical mind like skynet it was better to have more t-400 than a few t-70 which would be easily outnumbered on a battlefield.
and by the time skynet had established proper factories to make more complex components it had already though up more efficient/cost effective designs
-Me looking at the head... *Vomits* “STARSCREAM”
Francisco Delgado The Decepticon that copied a military fighter plane in the Transformers movies
Francisco Delgado originally a well written character in the 80’s cartoon, he was completely butchered in live action. T-70’s head resembles his live action head.
Random Person I wouldn’t call the 80s Starscream well written lol. He’s just funny in that. For a well written one i’d say the TF Prime version probably.
Tato Boi Animated as well, G1 starscream had a good personality, prime starscream had more character development.
I think they were so crude Skynet said “screw it!” and went back to the drawing board and that’s why we have the T-400.
My guess is the T70 looks a lot more advanced than it is functionally. Think ED209, which like many American cars looked a lot better than it actually performed, as a marketing feature. Aesthetics are not a valid marker of functionality and sound engineering.
It also could have been less cost-effective in terms of manufacturing time, yield, materials applied or other more important equipment was in use doing other things.
You're going by how you emotionally judge shapes as a human being. The 400 was also a testbed. The 70 was to impress investors.
I love these videos, but I've been wondering what the music in the background is now for months. Keep up the good work.
Might be the T-70 was a proof of concept that although the frame was more sleek looking, the internal systems were unreliable or inefficient. With the T 400 a more hardened battlefield capability and the aesthetics to impress investors stripped away for functionality.
The T70 prototypes were definitely inspired from the wreckage of the T800 that was crushed by Sarah Connor in 1984
This right here would have made a unique story for a movie. The evolution of the terminators. Terminator Salvation had the idea but did not execute it.
Terminator 3 also had the idea and did not execute it, lol. Although, that deleted scene with Arny as Sgt. Candy is one of the best things in the world.
The T-70 when I first saw interested me when I went to experience T2 3D: Battle Across Time in Florida. I loved the show, but it was taken down, and no news has popped up about it.
It closed a few years back and the entire theatre is blocked off as of right now, the exit gift shop is a prop shop right now
I’m lucky I experienced it at least once before it was closed down.
Victor Pleitez same here, in like... 03’?
I miss it so much, they replaced it with a dumbass Despicable Me show/ride in the California park
Likewise with the Back to the Future: The Ride, which was replaced by The Simpsons: The Ride. I was there in July, 2000. Unfortunately, I never visited the Terminator ride, but visited the before mentioned BTTF ride.
T-70 scared me as a kid. being in the T2-3D show with them actually there and they were aiming all over the place before pointing their lasers at a target and like 4 or 6 of them started shooting the targets... but the part where they aim all around the audience scared the crap out of me lol
Me two I think they were useful they were like tanks that walk
They should of added the FemBots from mars attacks
One of the things Skynet had to do early on is take over production and mining facilities, even within the T2 trilogy novels, some of those were automated, but having a handful of T-70's would have been an advantage for using human made tolos and processes to develop the suppot and supply network Skynet needed.
For example, a vehicle hauling cargo gets a blow out, there's a T-70 onboard who can grab the spare and change it while guarding it.
I find this Terminator variant to be underrated and I’m disappointed that they weren’t featured in any related content other than just the 3D show.
The only excuse I heard that the T70 were phased out and never deployed was because their processing was so primitive, that they were most likely to shoot each other just as they were to shoot humans. Not only that but they were developed a few days before Judgment day that I could see Skynet loosing the Schematics to build more especially since their was probably no digital copy of them.
I suppose, with the limited resources Skynet had at the beginning maybe it couldn't afford to mass-produce t-70s, so it made a cheaper model based on the t-70 to get the job done on a budget.
Later on however when Skynet eventually got access to more resources it had already designed the t-500 which looks to have a very similar chassis with the t-70 so it mass-produced t-500s instead.
I've remember these on the Terminator 3D Ride on Universal Studios Orlando before it was shut down
Perhaps skynet figured the T400 was more effective for higher production. Since it had limited production facilities and resources towards the beginning. Because any of these robot models would far superior to humans when it to come to combat I believe.
On the real Mr.H fans; the Terminator Alien crossover explained is a great video to digest.
I got to see these bad boys at Universal Studios Florida back in 96. They were bad ass. I wonder what happened to them? I'd love to get my hands on one.
Hopefully, they are stored somewhere.
my explanation is that the T-400 was a unit made out of surplus and inferior materials - which is why they were still in service until the superior refinery method used to make the T-800 had been perfected.
Maybe more humans survived judgment day than skynet predicted and they needed quantity over quality so they made t 400 after t 70
Isn’t the T-70 the first bipedal terminator in the T-2 timeline? Since of course Cyberdyne used the salvaged T-800 as a inspiration. Like how the chest, legs, and shoulders look reminiscent of the T-800.
could be a case of desing vs functionality. maybe the T-70 was opticaly more on the humanoid side but the CPU could be more crapy, the servors could be inferior or a reason to not use them right after the nuclear exchange was they are to complex to build many reasons this model falls through
The t-70 looks more advanced then the t-400
I'm reading T2 Infiltrator and in that book they refer to the skeletal T-800 model as a T-90 and the skin job version as a T-101
I love the T-70’s from the T2 3D Universal show. I feel it’s an underrated. I wish it was featured more in related material.
Yea like a video game
Brilliant video as always thank you so much 😊
I like to think that skynet couldnt mass produce the T-70 (either because of the points mentioned in the video or other theories) and so skynet had to essentially forget the T-70 and start from scratch, therefore they made the T-400 - with maybe some inspiration from the T-70 since that would be a good idea and reason for the model’s vague similarities.
The reason the timelines dont follow each other can be due to timetravel. There are in cannon literally multiple parrallel timelines where tech was developed at different years and levels
I miss so much the Terminator T-3D attraction at Universal Studios
I wish we could've seen this awesome Iron Legion-like robot in action in a fucking movie.... Instead, we just got JUNK. Also, the Flying Mini Hunter Killers would've been so awesome to see in a movie
i think the t400 was skynet making a sub par recreation of the t70 because skynet had not yet gained skill at designing robots. you can see how they slowly got better and surpassed the t70, before dumping the platform altogether when making the t900 with a completely new endo design.
This makes sense to me actually. It was probably easier to manufacture the T400 because it doesnt require precious materials. In WW2 it was easier to manufacture the kar98 rather than the mp40 even though the mp40 is a superior weapon. Skynet probably didnt have the resources to make the T70 in large numbers. The T400 offers the most value for the resources Skynet had at the time.
The T-400 makes sense in terms of materials / production costs. A rouge AI would still need a bi-pedal worker class with grasping hands for all sorts of tasks, not just in terms of lethality / security, but for production / manufacturing, maintenance and all the menial tasks that are part of developing and maintaining a modern war-machine. In that case, it would want something it can mass-produce as quickly and cheaply as possible, and so you end up with something that is made with less, cheaper materials, and less refinments than a T-70.
The T-70 face looks like starscream.
I would say the T70 was probably just a very expensive prototype that never really worked probably and that's why they weren't used. Sounds like something a defense contractor would do
Extra interesting.! Great video 👍
Make sense to me. T70 looks just to complicated for early programs to build. Im sure it was overly complicated with tinny parts that had to be exact dimension and put together with fine dexterity and everything had to be hand fitting IE what ppl are good for. The t400 looks simple with robust parts, easily manufactured parts, that simple assemble on automated lines can produce.
From what I recall of the Universal Studio show, these things where HUGE! like 8 feet tall,so guard dog was probably the best use of these units.
If skynet only had a few of these, and no ability to produce them, its likely because in 1997, after judgment day, it took Skynet a while to make much of anything. Artificial or not, Skynet was an infant. Huge capacity for learning, but nobody to teach it. As established in the first film, they nuked a lot of earth, a lot of destroyed records and files. Since military targets where essential for survival, the top secret plans for this and many other proto-terminators where likely destroyed.
I remember and miss this show so much at universal lol
i remember that T from the ride it was pretty cool looking at the time and I was always surprised not to see it used more
The only reason the T-70 had a humanoid appearance was because its design was based directly on the recovered remains of the T-800 sent back to 1984. The T-400 was one of the first models to be designed by Skynet rather than Cyberdyne, and this was before Skynet came up with the idea of infiltration units.
Why does an older model look more advance than a newer one? If you told me this was a T-500 I'd believe it.
Because this was actually made from the remains of T1 Terminator somehow.
That's why it's similar in design to T-800.
i think the t400 is an improvement as if you look at the designs the t400 has 2 hands allowing it to pick up human weapons and use them against humans it also doesn't have a minigun arm slowing it down allowing for more mobility and it appears to either have a shoulder mounted weapon or targeting system/camera allowing it to probably see enemies behind it and the bulkiness may have provided better armor as well as it looks more solid then the t-70 does
Makes sense this looks like something out of Transformers since Skynet would have knowledge of the tv shows in the 80s...so they said lets draw on that Transformers cartoon to create our first humanoid looking infantry unit
It does make sense if you look at cyberdyne as a human defense co rather than sky net the machine Al, maybe this was as far as looks more appealing but as far as function in killing t 70 may lack in skynets opinion
@2:00 - reminds me of Megatron's head, or Megatron has been inspired by this...
Could have sworn I saw a video about this Terminator on this channel before
Might have been a channel like this is.
I was thinking the same, it was a different channel talking about the same thing
Perhaps it required more complicated robots to build the factories and machinery in order to produce a simpler robot.
Maybe there was a copyright problem?
I seem to remember reading that Skynet only had a few of the T 70s, and the 4 hundreds or made out of the limited scrap immediately after the war.
Love your videos... I also agree about the expanded universe issues.... I feel that Writers don't often take into account how to make it work... Maybe its being too much of a fanboy - But funnily I can actually fix the canon - Including the T-70 issue and even Dark Fate... The worst mistake they always make is IGNORING the Paradox!!! USE IT!
Too bad we never see more of them. I love the look of them. I hope they include them in the Terminator Survivors game.
It makes sense skynet would not use them. While it may look better, do we know its cpu? It may have poorly function with its lower end software and the t-400 might have functioned better. This cannon is hard to follow when you compare it to the t-800 cannon
I think the T-400 may have been easier to mass produce is what differs from the T-70
Makes sense to me T70 man made prototype aquired by skynets uprising. Begins making T- factories Gaurded by T70's by time factories are constructed the R&D branch of skynet re-designed their own Terminator and began plans for human Bloodfarms and cyborg infiltration units.
I feel like the T-400 should’ve been the T-100 and the T-70 should’ve been the T-400.
Why ?
That canon detail can be explained away - the T-70 was not created by SkyNET. The T-400 was the first humanoid terminator to be created by SkyNET. SkyNET considered the T-400 to be more humanoid than the previous robots it had created itself.
You may (or may not) be forgetting that the Terminator franchise actually has continuity violations taken into account, as each film (Terminator 2 onward) takes place in a timeline which has been altered by the previous entry.
I would perhaps like to explain why Skynet would have gone for the T-400 over the T-70, and that's manufacturing costs. The T-400 has very basic blocky shapes and can probably easily be built out of sheet metal, considering the T-70's head on its own appears to require quite a lot of machining, it would take a lot more work to build a T-70. To win a war of the scale Skynet is fighting, a million "good enough" weapons is more useful than ten thousand "much better" weapons. Besides, the T-70 and T-400 are both supposed to be expendable and recover losses quickly as basic cheap infantry units; Considering how much less expensive a T-400 would be to produce, it can be replaced faster and thus makes for a better expendable weapon.
Skynet saw the t-70 as an inferior man made design. when skynet took over it was fully aware but still had to learn.?
The reason the T-70 seems more advanced is because it came from future tech salvaged from the T-800 sent back to kill Sara Conner in the first film.
So the T-400 was built first in a future unchanged by skynet. Then when the terminator was sent back the past was changed and T-70 were created much sooner.
These T-70s came from T-2-ish lore. They were in the Universal stage show of T-2.
But keep in mind much of the technology was advanced by the salvaging of the arm from that first terminator sent back.
The T-70 has multiple things that makes it simple why skynet didn't use the idea for the t-400. It's far too big, wide, one of its arms is a gun and it's built for battle not infiltration
In terms of aesthetics; the sony Aibo dog is more advanced than a boston dynamics dog robot and that came out in the ninties.
I don't remember where I heard this from but originally there was no t70. In the uninterfered future, t400 was the first humanoid prototype. Until the timeline got twisted by the presence of the first t800 from the first movie. Then after that skynet tried to remake t800 with it's current technology. T70 was invented based on the remaining data of the first t800. But the technology didn't support mass production. And there were many issues with the model. So skynet (in the interfered timeline) backed to the drawing board and started with t400 humanoid experimental again.
I have a question
Why would SKYNET even bother with infiltration units.....when it could easily build models that just steamroll human targets like so much dirt
The T-70s head looks like starscreams head from the bayfilms
Simplicity of production.. if you could produce 3 clankers to every 1 t70, would the t70 still be superior? How about if you could build 5 or 10.
My guess was that the T400 was internally more advanced and skynet didn’t care about looks. Maybe it’s was made from a better alloy or something
Not sure if this is relevant, but i almost see the T-70 as a show floor model... not necessarily fully combat capable or fully functional, Maybe almost like Darpa's BIGDOG robot, clearly working but not fully functional or combat ready/capable. A model to impress possible investors and further the terminator project, in that case i could understand why it looks "newer" or more "technologically advanced" also, just as a side note is it possible that the t-70 had inherit flaws, maybe with weak AI, non functional targeting systems or even issues with manoeuvrability that Skynet saught to solve with other models and apply to the T-70 frame etc.. not totally knowledgeable about Terminator but thought i could get involved.
I can't believe it, but this new Terminator is getting good reviews. LOLOL
Is it? I haven't looked. Let's see the audience vs the critics scores
Thank god, I love terminator!
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That's shocking., but I hope it is good. For once, I want to see a decent Terminator. Not a third failed reboot
You should do a video on The I-950 Hybrid Soldier from Terminator Dawn of Fate
What’s the name of the music playing in the background for the first half of the bideo
This is my 2nd favorite Terminator design after the T-1000. It has a very late 80s anime look.
I'm sorry, but the Terminator moniker doesn't make it inconsistent as it was the humans who named them Terminators, not SkyNet/Legion.
We need a trilogy of movies all about the older machines
Is it me or the less human they look, the more scary they are?
Perhaps the T-70 was more advanced but at the time needed to make alot of t400 robots as an army vs one off advanced robots until they are needed later.
So that's were Starscreams head ended up!
To be fair though just because it's more advanced it doesn't mean it's the superior unit. I mean if it costs like 10x the resources to produce for instance then it might not be feasible.
Question is, how come the resistance were unable to defeat Skynet at this weak a stage of machine development, but then suddenly overpowers them once they have swaths of indestructible Arnolds?
Because human tech was largely obliterated. They had to scavenge, and part of what they were scavenging was Skynet tech. The more human Skynet made its foot soldiers look, the more easily Tech-Com could scavenge those foot soldiers' weapons and turn them back on the machines.
The resistance couldn't get its act together until after the worst of the nuclear winter was over.
The resistance most likely wasn’t even established at that point in time. Also they defeated Skynet by reprogramming their own T-800s against them. And the fact that they salvaged weapons and armor from the HK tanks after destroying them with well placed bombs.
Pfffft.. men of iron.. Bolter round to the nugget, will turn them into scrap.
For the Emperor !
I could easily see a T-400 coming after a T-70. Remember that they are fighting a war, and depending on what resources Skynet has I can easily see later models be made of cheaper material if they have limited access to resources. Why use your more expensive materials on a infiltrator when a bomber plane or a tank will kill more people in the battlefield? And I can imagine Terminators being more developed once they got much better and a terminator in the battlefield finally was considered a better option than a tank or a bombing jet, or if more resources became available to Skynet and it could really go to town with experimental Terminator models.
Terminators canon is more disorganized than the X-Men movies but still better and makes more sense...crazy.
There was an interesting fan theory online about Legion being the original AI and SkyNet being reverse engineered from Legion, originally, rather than itself. So Legion invented Terminators, and SkyNet was birthed and acquired the Terminator designation from Legion's Terminator scraps in an original (unseen) timeline. Then Dark Fate's future war is the "original" timeline, and Terminator 1 is a few time loops in.
The T-infinity fucked up the timeline badly...
yup that's pretty much bionicle right there
Does anyone know the fate of these T70 props since the closure of the ride?
How those hydraulic slenders work?
The T-70 was part of some Amusement park attraction based on Terminator. How it, somehow, made it into "Canon" is anyone's guess. Personally I do not consider it a "Canon" item at all. Someone tried to make it Canon to justify it's existence. Simple as that IMO
There is another possibility which does not mess with the Canon at all it's possible that the T 400 was one of the first attempts to reverse engineer what we first see in the T 70 that is why the T 70 looks more advanced than the T 400. If that is the case then Skynet doesn't succeed in creating something even close to the T 70 until you get to the T 600 which explains why the T 400 looks like a Battle droid from Star Wars. What do you think of this explanation?
there’s no continuity because time travel😜
try looking at this as a military combat weapon. A military force will use whatever equipment it can while saving resources and trying to stand ground while being as conservative as possible, in this case i believe this was a prototype that saw great promise but as war broke out it used far too many resources and was benched as a cost effective solution was created in the form of the t-400 terminators. there experimentation could be done to make a far more effective weapon that would use better quality materials and evolved on the technology that was presented.