The '92s still feel quite new and modern to me, even now some 30 (oh god) years later. It's kind of breaking my brain a bit realising that they're actually this old.
It's sort of futuristic that's why. Meanwhile the mid 90s trains (95 and 96 stocks on Northern & Jubilee) don't have that futuristic feel to it. Notice the 92's have black tinted windows and a very cool sounding motor.
@@JohnnyZenith by the mid 30s when the new rolling stock comes in. But I doubt it will be that near especially when the '72 rolling stock is still used
Somehow I think this could really be good advertising. Do a tube themed lingerie show on the vectoria line (but better outside of normal operating hours). There will almost certainly a market for it (even if rather small)
I remember going to a special event somewhere east on the Central Line where we could look at all three models (Red, Green and Blue) and give feedback. They even gave us coffee which was fine until people started putting half-full cups in the built-in litter bins on the trains. They hadn't been waterproofed so the coffee leaked out through all the seams! The other obvious snag was the lighting, which had a metal plate to protect the tubes but with rounded rectangular holes to let the light out. Unfortunately these holes were positioned on the ceiling and shaped just like a hand hold, so during the day a couple of people (probably slipping on the coffee) tried to grab one of these "handholds" and put theirs hands straight through the fluorescent tubes behind - bit of a design failure... The other element of the new designs that worried some people were that the doors were on the outside - what would happen if a train hit the side of a tunnel? As you mention there was such an incident at Chancery Lane and I believe the doors were ripped off as predicted.
I went to Woodford to see the 3 trains on display. As a regular user I found that the outside doors on the 1992 stock would occasionally freeze up in very bad weather on surface stations.
Don't worry about remembering the 1992 stock when new,I can remember the 1926 stock (although not when new)!rattling through the tunnels with bulb lights flickering and going out.The Brown Boveri interior seems a bit reminiscent in interior design to the old WC/SR stock.That newest design of tube stock looks ok and hopefully will be reliable.
The name Brown Boveri seems vaguely familiar to me. I could be mistaken but I think there's a connection with public transport in Wellington, New Zealand, possibly the cable car.
"Although Clarke was dismissed in 2007 for making parody announcements on her personal website" Guess you could say her career reached... *the end of the line.* Also, "Tube announcements are serious business, y'all" Y'all? Jago's turning American! Where is Charles Yerkes holding you hostage? 😂 I don't know about the voice of the Tube, but the voice of the NYC Subway who says "Stand clear of the closing doors, please!" is Charlie Pennett, who is a veteran news anchor for Bloomberg Radio. Another voice of the NYC Subway who says the station announcements for approaching trains is Carolyn Hopkins, whose voice can also be heard at more than 200 airports worldwide from Charles de Gaulle to Incheon. She does it all from the comfort of her home in northern Maine. Sometimes they let NYC celebs like Jerry Seinfeld and Awkwafina do the subway announcements
After the face reveal in Jay Foreman Video i can say that Jago is literally a Victorian man in his 60s trapped somehow in a body of a 21st century millenial thanks to some Doctor Who level space magic. Jokes aside i was glad he made that cameo Also the 1986 stock is giving me the feeling of an alternate reality london (maybe the one where Broad Street station is still active). Excellent video
Loved the Jago-like peeve. "Well I hope you enjoyed the decades of hard work I gave you. You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service." 😂
In the future, tube train cabs will have a member of staff, and a dog. The member of staff will be there to feed the dog, and the dog will be there to prevent them touching the controls.
I was on a 92 stock in 1993 when they were being introduced and got chatting with a driver. He told me that they couldn't break down. He was less than impressed when I laughed and said that we on the Piccadilly had been told the same thing about the 1973 stock. 🤣
Hardly a financial embarrassment, TfL were in great financial health until the pandemic, completely self financing with no public subsidy. I would say covid triggered income downturn.
I always preferred the green 1986 stock Metro Cammel due to the nice humps in their seats. When I was young the 1938 stock seemed very modern, the Northern line also being pretty hot late on Friday nights in those days.
"Maybe they'll find use elsewhere" what a polite way of saying the Bakerloo, well known dumping ground of geriatric Tube trains. I well remember 1923/27 stock groaning there in 1968 alongside the positively modern 1938 stock...
@@Dungeonfreak Isle of Wight upgraded their 1938 stock (Class 483) with a positively modern D78 stock (Class 484) from the District line only last year. Bakerloo uses the oldest EMU stock in Britain nowadays (1972 aka Class 499/2) - and pretty much the very oldest passenger rolling stock in Britain in general, outside some heritage railways. Now, if we were talking about the Alderney Railway, then it would be a good place to dump the 1972 stock...
As a tube-wandering 10 year old in the sixties, I loved those pre war trains! Incandescent lamps with shell shaped glass shades iirc. And the smell of the motors...
"I don't know what the hottest line in the figurative sense. The Victoria's Secret line perhaps?"....your innocence is one of a kind. Bless your heart. As small as the Waterloo & City line is, it's still a line with its own neat history and unique in its own way. Also turquoise is the best Tube color hands down
I can remember when the 1927 stock on the Bakerloo was replaced with 'new' stock, new to the bakerloo but only 10 years or thereabouts younger, it still rocked, rattled and rolled but without the early Art Deco style. That was the early 1970's. Tube carriages had comfy seats then and the kinked armrests so one didn't bump elbows with the passenger sitting next to one. Flickering incandescent light bulbs and tobacco stained ceilings until all carriages became no smoking, memories.
The thing about "Sonya" reminds me of the recorded voice warning systems on, e.g., airliners and American nuclear-powered submarines, which are collectively known among the professionals who have to deal with them on a regular basis (at least in the US) as "Bitching Betty". Also, I think I remember listening to some of Emma Clarke's parody announcements, way back when. I had no idea that TFL fired her over them. What a typically governmental thing to do.
When the '92 stock first arrived on the W&C I took a ride. On arrival at Bank I was taken aback to hear the announcement. "Grange Hill, this is Grange Hill." Sadly that was a glitch which was soon ironed out.
The Sonia joke was apparently exclusively in reference to Janet Mayo, which confused but amused her! Emma Clarke was indeed dismissed due to parody announcements, hence why you can hear Sarah Parnell at some stations, notably Bank. The CLIP (Central Line Improvement Programme) is adding Passenger Information Screens and speaker improvements if you’re curious.
I really really like that green train livery. As iconic as the red white and blue of the underground has become, it makes me wish there was a bit more variety in the colour schemes of tube trains.
Regarding Sonia: On the Northern line we call it Celia for two reasons: the original voice was supplied by Celia Drummond, and it’s supposed to stand for Computer Emulated Line Information Announcer.
I accidentally stepped into one of these on a vacation in London, such a cramped train and tunnel, felt like extreme cost cutting. I would call it the hobbit class.
Another interesting one.... I see the shot of the class 66 standing at the semaphore signal at Greenford is a reused shot, i've seen it on another of your vids! When i worked the Bakerloo & Jubille line in the mid to late 1980s, the Bakerloo was like a sauna, travelling on the Central was quite cool in comparison, so i don't know who deemed that the hottest line? Someone who never ventured on to the Bakerloo i'm guessing? By 2002 i was a bus driver with Blue Triangle, we had some of the Central Line rail replacement work, Barking to South Woodford and Newbury Park to Ilford i seem to recall working, allowing passengers to connect with national rail and District line services... lots of overtime and rest day working i recall.... Probably a good time all around for transport drivers, Central Line crews with nothing to do all shift except watch tv, drink tea or read a book, and bus crews coining it in!.... Happy days.......
There is a great interview with Emma Clarke where she talks about the process of doing the announcements. For this testing process her voice was given the name "Marilyn" and when her voice was picked the rumours spread that Marilyn Monroe was the voice of the underground trains...
@@JohnnyZenith really? the A60/62 fleet were 50 years old when finally taken out of service, the 1972 and 1973 fleets are literally almost 50 years of service too, the 1992 stock is still quite young, especially when you consider 1938 stock was still operating until 2021 on the Isle of Wight so old trains can keep on going, the 2009 stock on the Victoria Line will have a shorter lifespan than the 1992 stock cos modern technology makes new trains have a shorter lifespan, with the right maintenance on the 1992 stock they could easily last 50 years, however maintenance is the issue, LU never looked after them from the outset as they were procured on the cheap hence the issues but thats why they need work, cos theyve had a decade plus of neglect
Talking of replacement tube stock, I completely missed the 1938 stock on the IOW: I last visited the island in 1986, when it was all 1920’s ‘Standard’ stock. I was planning to visit just before the ‘38 stock was withdrawn but Covid travel restrictions put the kybosh on that plan.
I'm old enough to remember the red 1938 tube stock on the Underground! Back in the late 1950s it was used on all the deep level lines I think, and only disappeared on the Bakerloo in the late 1980s.
I am not that old (yet) but I remember the T stock on the East London Line. That was nearing 60 years old. And when the 1992 stock came in there was a suggestion aged stoned characters might be totally thrown by the outside sliding doors suddenly covering the exterior.
These trains suffered from terrible body corrosion around the windows which was the subject of legal action by LU against the manufacturers. This could be seen with paint bubbling up and eventually falling off. Thats why they have added-on external frames around the windows. The W&C dont have these are still have their original clean lines as they are used in dry conditions.
Jago, this video is one of many that makes me feel old, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Excellent technical content, too. Now, I'll start with remembering the CP stock on the District Line. I'm sure that there are people who go back further. :)
Sighs.... yes.... same for me... memories of the late 1970s.... The final years of red-painted CO/CP surface stock and then there were the 1938 stock trains still roaming the Bakerloo and Northern lines (I never saw them on the Piccadilly line - they were all gone before the final stretch out to Heathrow opened).
I can remember my first tentative exploration of London by Tube in the seventies. (Balham to the Embankment for my first McDonald's!) Wooden escalators and those strange dangling balls on springs hanging down in the carriages that had varnished wood window surrounds. The whole Tube had its very own smell back then! That glorious warm waft that preceded the trains! The next time I visited that smell had changed sadly.
I think the Central Line must be the most "we are not the rest of the Tube" mentality, with the test track bits on the Hainault Loop even with commonish stock to Picc and Northern it still felt different. Maybe it is its east west alignment compared to the north south of the Northern Bakerloo and Piccadilly ( yerkes group effectively) , the Jubilee feels like it is the shrunk Met Line (which it was in a way) and the Victoria proudley says I am the worlds longest shuttle twixt Brixton and Walthamstow and nothing is sharing my tracks. Of the Deep Tubes the Central Also gives you the impression you have travelled somewhere as Loughton different in feel to Greenford ( Morden and Edgware are sort of mirror images of each other )
I recollect that when the 92TS was introduced on the Central Line ( I was a member of the electrical design team in Derby for this stock before coming down to London to play with the LU radio systems), Caxton curves near White City had to be 'shaved' so that the train would go around them.
When I was working on the Underground, there was a joke going around following the motor dropping out from under the train at Chancery Lane. What do you do if you see a Central line coming? Make a bolt for it.
@@JagoHazzard Seconded. I remember all that very well - in fact daily - because our end of the Central Line was the last stretch to come back into service and the ?>£300 refund I got on my annual season ticket paid for a very nice new dishwasher thank you. And that’s never mind that I mostly went in on the mainline from Manor Park anyway so it was in fact pure bunce, deep joy.
I remember all that very well - in fact daily - because our end of the Central Line was the last stretch to come back into service and the ?>£300 refund I got on my annual season ticket paid for a very nice new dishwasher thank you. And that’s never mind that I often went in on the mainline from Manor Park anyway; so it was mostly bunce, deep joy.
3:13 The infamous "TOX" graffiti from Daniel Halpin that plagued TfL property for a while back in the 90's-00's and was the feature topic on a TV series about "The Tube." That's a topic worth making a video of. Or vandalism on TfL in general.
Yeah. Couldn't help noticing the lesser-spotted "Shen Yun" poster in one shot, too. I used to think they seemed cool, but found out it's run by some homophobic cult. Hm, "tube adverts" might surprise as a fun topic. Must be some stories there...
It sounds like I have been lucky but I have travelled extensively on the Central Line since using it to get to school in the, ahem, 1960s and I have found the 1992 stock to be very reliable but yes, they do get very hot in the tunnels in the summer. I heeded TFL's advice and always took a bottle of water with me but on more than one occasion I ended up giving it away to somebody who looked like they were about to pass out!
I generally find the Central line is the most reliable line now, very rarely goes wrong now unlike when these trains started out. The 1992 stock refurb suggests to me that they’ve now changed their mind on replacing these with new trains, I don’t see this coming off the Central line anytime soon.
Great video Jago. Like you, I remember when the 1992 Stock first came into service, looked very futuristic at the time compared to other stock didn’t they?
“Victoria Secret line” was superb. I’m here just as much for your hilarious quips, as I am about the informative content about the tube network. Keep up the good work, Sir.
As a man who, in the early 70s, used to sneak into depots to collect Underground train numbers, the 1992 stock still looks incredibly modern. I travelled regularly on the old 1938 Northern Line trains as well as District Line R stock (and when I was very young the Q stock). In fact the old Vic line 1967 stock felt very modern as well. The idea of a single class of stock across all deep level lines has been a long time coming. Of course they have it now on the sub surface lines.
Anyone else remember the intermittent door closing glitch when the tone didn’t stop and the shrilling kept going until your ears were ringing? Horrible. I started work in late 1991 as an eager young teenage, so remember the excitement of commuting in the modern Central line carriages - and I remember the arm rests gradually disappearing. I still think of them as ‘new’ except when I actually travel on them. Dingy and dirty now.
What the designers fail to realise is that longitudinal seating is not liked by the passengers. I was on the Elizabeth Line on Monday and the crosswise seats were the ones that got taken first. Is it Sonia who does the terminating announcements on the Jubilee? Those I find most irritating, especially the Stanmore ones. I much prefer the Westminster announcements.
I can remember when this rolling stock was first introduced on the Central Line, the doors could be opened independently and they were much faster than the previous generation; it didn't take long for all that to change, the doors were soon only operated by the driver, no doubt insisted upon by the Unions for 'safety reasons', (the same people who told us that removing the guards from trains would result in terrible accidents), but in reality to give the drivers something to do as the trains are fully automated. The trains were then slowed on various sections, particularly from Bank, presumably because the track couldn't cope with the increased speeds. As to the heat issues, I think the rolling stock was never designed to carry the number of passengers it now does, at all times of the day and night; it is simply unbearable during the Summer, when I avoid using it whenever possible.
The reason the door operation was changed from passenger open/close (once the doors were activated by the driver) to operator open/close was because of either intentional or accidental misuse of the doors by members of the public. There were a number of injuries caused by this, so quite rightly so on the grounds of health and safety, full door operation was handed over to the driver. This was for all lines and not just the Central Line, unless the policy has changed since my retirement as a Central line driver in 2021. Also the 92 stock is NOT fully automatic, they have full manual speed operation, (under ATP), restricted manual speed operation (no ATP protection), and of course Automatic Train Operation. ATO is the preferred operating mode. The requirement is to drive the trains on Sundays and bank holidays on certain sections of the line, or if there is a problem with the train or the signaling system. The trains maximum acceleration from standstill (on the whole of the line) was governed down a numbered of years ago now, again on the grounds of health and safety. Their maximum speed was also reduced from 100kph to 80kph where parts of the line permits those speeds.
In around 1986, the Victorian Railways reluctantly ceased running the wooden Tait trains that were built in the VR workshops in the 1920s. At around sixty years were claimed to be the oldest rolling stock in current revenue service in the world. At the time I was envious of other cities which replace rolling stock after 30 years. Now the space-age Comeng trains are approaching 40 years old.
Great video as always Jago. However (don’t sigh), you did leave out the important, yet annoying glitch of the ‘92 stock’s emergency breaks kicking in when a numpty leans on the doors at rush hour.
Always great, as usual. Please do a video about the earth-shatteringly loud Northern line southbound into Euston, and what they're going to do about it.
Hiya Jago @ 0:52 - Of course the Blue was bult by B. R. - The give-away is 'The Blue' -cos they always painted their stock 'Blue' - 'Dirty Blue' or 'Boring Blue' or something like or words to that affect!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
Extremely interesting subject and video, Jago. Thanks, as always. I guess one thing I've always wondered is how do they get trains down to lines like the Waterloo and City and Victoria Lines. I suppose all the other lines have surface access at their extremities. That would be interesting to learn. 👍🏾⭐👏🏾
@@damianpenfold3314 You can see it on Google Street View at the eastern end of Spur Road. The crane has 1.5t painted on it so is obviously just used for small items such as motors to replace ones which fall off.
When I first moved to London from the East Midlands the D stock was in the process of being introduced. Travelling to work via the District line I would occasionally find myself stepping onto one of the older trains that were being phased out.
The 'Sonia' joke has been around for at least 20 years or so, I remember reading that in some 'tube facts' someone (my aunt?) sent me in an email in the early 2000s.
I like how lightweight the trains are. It shows in the acceleration. Although as the top speed of the trains are currently restricted to 85 km/h, it would make more sense to regear the motors rather than implement a safety braking system. Better acceleration and less resistive power loss via heat.
When the digital announcing system was first introduced at Manningtree Station in Essex ( I know, I know, it's not a tube station) it was affectionately called Digital Doris. Just thought I'd mention it.
Still at school, I saw the prototypes at Woodford, went to work in City, 92 stock was being introduced. Thats what I went to work on when it was brand new. Went on one recently, looks and sounds exactly the same. Cannot believe thats 30-40 years ago.
If replacement was based on how old the trains are, then the order would be Bakerloo then Piccadilly with Central much later - so a refurbishment of the 1992 stock would make sense.
I didn't know they were that old, they always looked so new to me. I was used to those ones that ran on the district line, and the current one on the picadilly line. I don't think I saw these trains in the video until about around 2009
"Let's give some 30 year old trains an extensive refurbishment including old motors, then plan to replace them a few years later." "I wonder why we have no money."
Yep, and there it is, the moment fellow commuters look over at a guy (me) laughing out loud in the quietness of a tube carriage - the Victoria('s Secret) line joke at 5:50. Brilliant
If they're being refurbished so close to going away, I wonder if that suggests there's a plan afoot to use them to replace the very ageing Bakerloo stock?
Yes Sonia is known as "get Sonia nerves"- also heat on the central lines is caused by the clay soil in London absorbing the heat for decades not the open sections- the derailment at chancery lane was one of two - the other was at loughton -comments from an tube driver on the central line -
I remember when it was new too! It's almost traditional that major stuff will be done just a short while before demise. In fact it's endemic throughout any parts of the multiverse where bureaucracy has evolved. The Vogons are merely symptomatic (though quite probably more symptomatic of a solar system without a decent asteroid belt to reset evolution).
The problem is...... Its not the trains, its the line they are allocated to Think about their predecessors, the 1973, 1983 and The D Stock. Those trains were all built on the principle of 6 longer cars instead of 7 short length cars, which was fine for the 3 lines that they were allocated to Ideally the same principle should have been applied to the 1992's, (7 long instead of 8 short cars) with those tight curves at Bank its so out of the question. The 92s could be better, I suggested so many times that seat bays need to be set back more to allow more space......No ones taken any notice yet.😮
Talking of glitches, did you know that Vivarail has gone bust? They supplied recycled tube stock. Bedford-Bletchley services have already been suspended as a consequence. The Island LIne also recently acquired Viviarail stock. There's a lanonic video for you to make about the demise of Vivarail! Thank for uploading.
brilliant, currently i use a japanese train announcement as my basic ringtone, when i get calls on the train no one seems to mind the noise, but using emma for one one two might be fun.
According to Wikipedia, the 92 stocks are actually staying until the late 2030s. Same time as the bakerloo line, which I just don't know why the bakerloo line is getting new trains that late
I used to commute on the Central line and for the first few years of the new trains there were so many problems it wasn't funny. Back then you could get a refund in the form of a printed voucher and I accumulated over a hundred pounds' worth at one point. The signalling system seemed to be a big factor, and I'd be interested to know if that was a coincidence. Sitting on a hot, motionless train wasn't fun, and was even less fun when the power went as well. My dad also travelled part of his commute on the Central line and he had to be walked through the tunnels when that was the only way to get people off the train; and his journey was on the section east of Liverpool Street station where the distance between the stations is greater. I think they must have had some usually hidden access to get them out of the tunnels between the stations, though. Only a relatively short commute (in theory) but an unpleasant one. The reliability did eventually begin to improve. I'm over 6 feet tall and one thing I appreciated about the new trains was no longer having the risk of my head making contact with a naked light bulb at the end of a carriage! Amazing today they were ever allowed to do that.
This British rail where you don't expect inflected video has reminded me to wonder if you will ever cover The Ultimate. Sadly now deceased but surely the least expected British Rail involvement ever.
Still smoother than the Moorgate branch though. For those reading and asking 'The Ultimate what?', The Ultimate was a rollercoaster up in Yorkshire which was abandoned during the pandemic. Still holds the record for world's second longest rollercoaster, and when it ran it wanted to kill you in the best way possible.
I hope they replace those terrible dim orange destination signs at the front, with clear white letters. It would be nice to know where the train is going sometimes, especially at Stratford, going east, where the platform sign tells you about trains going to Shenfield, and the on-train announcer is too busy going on about everything obvious, that we already know, apart from where the train is actually going :-)
Didn't the 92 stock also have a habit of displacing the positive conductor rail in their early years thanks to the slightly different placement of the rail on Central line post-tunnel enlargement?
Somewhere on TH-cam there's footage of some Class 482s passing Stratford on a test run. It's so bizarre that those units retained the old Network Southeast colours for over a decade after becoming part of the LU fleet. As for the line's future, I can't imagine it will ever get upgraded to have ATO; to me it doesn't make sense on such a short line. Either way the Waterloo & City still has a fascinating history, and incidentally I recently made an (unexpectedly successful) video about the older Class 487 units.
ive seen that footage too th-cam.com/video/MhUDyX4DKXQ/w-d-xo.html that is the video where at the end it has them running at Stratford, there is another video where they (Waterloo & CIty fleet) are seen at Leyton station while on Test runs
The '92s still feel quite new and modern to me, even now some 30 (oh god) years later. It's kind of breaking my brain a bit realising that they're actually this old.
It's sort of futuristic that's why. Meanwhile the mid 90s trains (95 and 96 stocks on Northern & Jubilee) don't have that futuristic feel to it. Notice the 92's have black tinted windows and a very cool sounding motor.
Lol in Paris we have metro trains from 1955
When are '92 stock being replaced?
@@JohnnyZenith by the mid 30s when the new rolling stock comes in. But I doubt it will be that near especially when the '72 rolling stock is still used
For me they feel way more dated than even the 73 stock. I'd even rather take a ride on the 72. These should be the first to go imo.
Now I want Harry Beck to add Victoria's Secret line to the map!
I have recently discovered that Jago IS Harry Beck.
Jago IS Harry Beck! 😀
Somehow I think this could really be good advertising.
Do a tube themed lingerie show on the vectoria line (but better outside of normal operating hours).
There will almost certainly a market for it (even if rather small)
I see we are all people of culture here :p.
Ideal for those that miss strap hanging
Jago remembers when the 1992 stock was new, because his mum made him hold her hand when she told him "don't worry Jago you can jump the gap"
I remember going to a special event somewhere east on the Central Line where we could look at all three models (Red, Green and Blue) and give feedback. They even gave us coffee which was fine until people started putting half-full cups in the built-in litter bins on the trains. They hadn't been waterproofed so the coffee leaked out through all the seams! The other obvious snag was the lighting, which had a metal plate to protect the tubes but with rounded rectangular holes to let the light out. Unfortunately these holes were positioned on the ceiling and shaped just like a hand hold, so during the day a couple of people (probably slipping on the coffee) tried to grab one of these "handholds" and put theirs hands straight through the fluorescent tubes behind - bit of a design failure... The other element of the new designs that worried some people were that the doors were on the outside - what would happen if a train hit the side of a tunnel? As you mention there was such an incident at Chancery Lane and I believe the doors were ripped off as predicted.
"They even gave us coffee" From my recollections of British coffee circa 1992 I'd have taken that as a threat more than a reward. 🙂
They were on display at Steam on The Met at Amersham too
I remember that derailment at Chancery Lane because I should have been on the train but for some reason missed it. A lucky escape, methinks...
The display was at Woodford. I went to see it too. I never saw any of the 1986 stock again.
I went to Woodford to see the 3 trains on display. As a regular user I found that the outside doors on the 1992 stock would occasionally freeze up in very bad weather on surface stations.
Don't worry about remembering the 1992 stock when new,I can remember the 1926 stock (although not when new)!rattling through the tunnels with bulb lights flickering and going out.The Brown Boveri interior seems a bit reminiscent in interior design to the old WC/SR stock.That newest design of tube stock looks ok and hopefully will be reliable.
The name Brown Boveri seems vaguely familiar to me. I could be mistaken but I think there's a connection with public transport in Wellington, New Zealand, possibly the cable car.
"Although Clarke was dismissed in 2007 for making parody announcements on her personal website" Guess you could say her career reached... *the end of the line.* Also, "Tube announcements are serious business, y'all" Y'all? Jago's turning American! Where is Charles Yerkes holding you hostage? 😂
I don't know about the voice of the Tube, but the voice of the NYC Subway who says "Stand clear of the closing doors, please!" is Charlie Pennett, who is a veteran news anchor for Bloomberg Radio. Another voice of the NYC Subway who says the station announcements for approaching trains is Carolyn Hopkins, whose voice can also be heard at more than 200 airports worldwide from Charles de Gaulle to Incheon. She does it all from the comfort of her home in northern Maine. Sometimes they let NYC celebs like Jerry Seinfeld and Awkwafina do the subway announcements
I believe y'all might be related to the parody announcements. Not that I want to cause a diplomatic incident.
mind the gap.
Have you ever been in Penn Station when Daniel Simmons called a Florida train? He was awesome! You can find him on YT.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch In Toronto, it's " Stan clear the doors." That guy Stan is a busy fellow.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch When such a sticker is put up, the powers that be have to expect that they will be improved, one way or another.
After the face reveal in Jay Foreman Video i can say that Jago is literally a Victorian man in his 60s trapped somehow in a body of a 21st century millenial thanks to some Doctor Who level space magic. Jokes aside i was glad he made that cameo
Also the 1986 stock is giving me the feeling of an alternate reality london (maybe the one where Broad Street station is still active). Excellent video
Which video revealed Jago?
@@Ross.Cavendishjay foreman’s latest video
@@Ross.Cavendish "What went wrong with the tube map" th-cam.com/video/jaEhvWXmLyk/w-d-xo.html
Jago is playing Harry Beck
@@LunaDragofelis Thank you.
Loved the Jago-like peeve. "Well I hope you enjoyed the decades of hard work I gave you. You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service." 😂
In the future, tube train cabs will have a member of staff, and a dog. The member of staff will be there to feed the dog, and the dog will be there to prevent them touching the controls.
I was on a 92 stock in 1993 when they were being introduced and got chatting with a driver. He told me that they couldn't break down. He was less than impressed when I laughed and said that we on the Piccadilly had been told the same thing about the 1973 stock. 🤣
Hardly a financial embarrassment, TfL were in great financial health until the pandemic, completely self financing with no public subsidy. I would say covid triggered income downturn.
Wtf are you on about? They have always got public monies.
@@rumelahmed4539 I remember reading that Boris axed that while he was mayor, or something along those lines.
@@itskdog yes that's right, one of the final acts of Boris as mayor was to end the subsidy to TFL
I always preferred the green 1986 stock Metro Cammel due to the nice humps in their seats.
When I was young the 1938 stock seemed very modern, the Northern line also being pretty hot late on Friday nights in those days.
"Maybe they'll find use elsewhere" what a polite way of saying the Bakerloo, well known dumping ground of geriatric Tube trains. I well remember 1923/27 stock groaning there in 1968 alongside the positively modern 1938 stock...
Or the Isle of Wight
@@Dungeonfreak Isle of Wight upgraded their 1938 stock (Class 483) with a positively modern D78 stock (Class 484) from the District line only last year. Bakerloo uses the oldest EMU stock in Britain nowadays (1972 aka Class 499/2) - and pretty much the very oldest passenger rolling stock in Britain in general, outside some heritage railways.
Now, if we were talking about the Alderney Railway, then it would be a good place to dump the 1972 stock...
As a tube-wandering 10 year old in the sixties, I loved those pre war trains! Incandescent lamps with shell shaped glass shades iirc. And the smell of the motors...
Isle of Wight is the bakerloo line of the bakerloo line
the bakerloo would be better off just keeping the 72s
"I don't know what the hottest line in the figurative sense. The Victoria's Secret line perhaps?"....your innocence is one of a kind. Bless your heart. As small as the Waterloo & City line is, it's still a line with its own neat history and unique in its own way. Also turquoise is the best Tube color hands down
Herro!
God you're EVERYWHERE!
The hottest line is on the Pyongyang metro
I can remember when the 1927 stock on the Bakerloo was replaced with 'new' stock, new to the bakerloo but only 10 years or thereabouts younger, it still rocked, rattled and rolled but without the early Art Deco style. That was the early 1970's. Tube carriages had comfy seats then and the kinked armrests so one didn't bump elbows with the passenger sitting next to one. Flickering incandescent light bulbs and tobacco stained ceilings until all carriages became no smoking, memories.
Happy memories.. cough, cough
The thing about "Sonya" reminds me of the recorded voice warning systems on, e.g., airliners and American nuclear-powered submarines, which are collectively known among the professionals who have to deal with them on a regular basis (at least in the US) as "Bitching Betty".
Also, I think I remember listening to some of Emma Clarke's parody announcements, way back when. I had no idea that TFL fired her over them. What a typically governmental thing to do.
Breach of Contract probably
"Thou shalt not make fun of anything related to your job".
That somehow reminds me of the stereotypical jokes about Germany.
When the '92 stock first arrived on the W&C I took a ride. On arrival at Bank I was taken aback to hear the announcement. "Grange Hill, this is Grange Hill." Sadly that was a glitch which was soon ironed out.
The Sonia joke was apparently exclusively in reference to Janet Mayo, which confused but amused her! Emma Clarke was indeed dismissed due to parody announcements, hence why you can hear Sarah Parnell at some stations, notably Bank. The CLIP (Central Line Improvement Programme) is adding Passenger Information Screens and speaker improvements if you’re curious.
How did they make Parnell sound so similar to Clarke? It sounds like exactly the same person
@@sydneyda it really doesn’t.
Yes, I have also seen the Jay Forman where you stared in the lead role :)
I really really like that green train livery. As iconic as the red white and blue of the underground has become, it makes me wish there was a bit more variety in the colour schemes of tube trains.
Regarding Sonia: On the Northern line we call it Celia for two reasons: the original voice was supplied by Celia Drummond, and it’s supposed to stand for Computer Emulated Line Information Announcer.
The Jubilee line was also Celia Drummond.
The Piccadilly, Northern, District, and Metropolitan lines: Are we a joke to you?
My favourite part of your videos are the analogies that you draw at the end. Brilliant!
Like our sincere replies to Jago's invites to make a comment?
I accidentally stepped into one of these on a vacation in London, such a cramped train and tunnel, felt like extreme cost cutting.
I would call it the hobbit class.
Another interesting one.... I see the shot of the class 66 standing at the semaphore signal at Greenford is a reused shot, i've seen it on another of your vids! When i worked the Bakerloo & Jubille line in the mid to late 1980s, the Bakerloo was like a sauna, travelling on the Central was quite cool in comparison, so i don't know who deemed that the hottest line? Someone who never ventured on to the Bakerloo i'm guessing? By 2002 i was a bus driver with Blue Triangle, we had some of the Central Line rail replacement work, Barking to South Woodford and Newbury Park to Ilford i seem to recall working, allowing passengers to connect with national rail and District line services... lots of overtime and rest day working i recall.... Probably a good time all around for transport drivers, Central Line crews with nothing to do all shift except watch tv, drink tea or read a book, and bus crews coining it in!.... Happy days.......
There is a great interview with Emma Clarke where she talks about the process of doing the announcements. For this testing process her voice was given the name "Marilyn" and when her voice was picked the rumours spread that Marilyn Monroe was the voice of the underground trains...
A refurbishment at 30 with new motors is probably meaning TfL is cancelling the replacement for now and is delaying it until the 2040s or so
What the hell? Really? 30 years should be the minimum.
@@JohnnyZenith really? the A60/62 fleet were 50 years old when finally taken out of service, the 1972 and 1973 fleets are literally almost 50 years of service too, the 1992 stock is still quite young, especially when you consider 1938 stock was still operating until 2021 on the Isle of Wight so old trains can keep on going, the 2009 stock on the Victoria Line will have a shorter lifespan than the 1992 stock cos modern technology makes new trains have a shorter lifespan, with the right maintenance on the 1992 stock they could easily last 50 years, however maintenance is the issue, LU never looked after them from the outset as they were procured on the cheap hence the issues but thats why they need work, cos theyve had a decade plus of neglect
Talking of replacement tube stock, I completely missed the 1938 stock on the IOW:
I last visited the island in 1986, when it was all 1920’s ‘Standard’ stock. I was planning to visit just before the ‘38 stock was withdrawn but Covid travel restrictions put the kybosh on that plan.
'I Travelled the IoW 20's' is a t-shirt you should get made.
I'm old enough to remember the red 1938 tube stock on the Underground! Back in the late 1950s it was used on all the deep level lines I think, and only disappeared on the Bakerloo in the late 1980s.
These are my favourite tube stock because of the curving glass.
Great video as usual. There is nothing worse than losing your traction motor; extra undercarriage support is sometimes needed!
Apparently Kryton from Red Dwarf had a similar problem once...
I am not that old (yet) but I remember the T stock on the East London Line. That was nearing 60 years old. And when the 1992 stock came in there was a suggestion aged stoned characters might be totally thrown by the outside sliding doors suddenly covering the exterior.
These trains suffered from terrible body corrosion around the windows which was the subject of legal action by LU against the manufacturers. This could be seen with paint bubbling up and eventually falling off.
Thats why they have added-on external frames around the windows. The W&C dont have these are still have their original clean lines as they are used in dry conditions.
Jago, this video is one of many that makes me feel old, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Excellent technical content, too.
Now, I'll start with remembering the CP stock on the District Line. I'm sure that there are people who go back further. :)
Sighs.... yes.... same for me... memories of the late 1970s.... The final years of red-painted CO/CP surface stock and then there were the 1938 stock trains still roaming the Bakerloo and Northern lines (I never saw them on the Piccadilly line - they were all gone before the final stretch out to Heathrow opened).
I can remember my first tentative exploration of London by Tube in the seventies. (Balham to the Embankment for my first McDonald's!) Wooden escalators and those strange dangling balls on springs hanging down in the carriages that had varnished wood window surrounds.
The whole Tube had its very own smell back then! That glorious warm waft that preceded the trains! The next time I visited that smell had changed sadly.
I think the Central Line must be the most "we are not the rest of the Tube" mentality, with the test track bits on the Hainault Loop even with commonish stock to Picc and Northern it still felt different. Maybe it is its east west alignment compared to the north south of the Northern Bakerloo and Piccadilly ( yerkes group effectively) , the Jubilee feels like it is the shrunk Met Line (which it was in a way) and the Victoria proudley says I am the worlds longest shuttle twixt Brixton and Walthamstow and nothing is sharing my tracks. Of the Deep Tubes the Central Also gives you the impression you have travelled somewhere as Loughton different in feel to Greenford ( Morden and Edgware are sort of mirror images of each other )
this guy sounds like harry beck
I recollect that when the 92TS was introduced on the Central Line ( I was a member of the electrical design team in Derby for this stock before coming down to London to play with the LU radio systems), Caxton curves near White City had to be 'shaved' so that the train would go around them.
When I was working on the Underground, there was a joke going around following the motor dropping out from under the train at Chancery Lane. What do you do if you see a Central line coming? Make a bolt for it.
Nice!
@@JagoHazzard Seconded. I remember all that very well - in fact daily - because our end of the Central Line was the last stretch to come back into service and the ?>£300 refund I got on my annual season ticket paid for a very nice new dishwasher thank you.
And that’s never mind that I mostly went in on the mainline from Manor Park anyway so it was in fact pure bunce, deep joy.
I remember all that very well - in fact daily - because our end of the Central Line was the last stretch to come back into service and the ?>£300 refund I got on my annual season ticket paid for a very nice new dishwasher thank you.
And that’s never mind that I often went in on the mainline from Manor Park anyway; so it was mostly bunce, deep joy.
3:13 The infamous "TOX" graffiti from
Daniel Halpin that plagued TfL property for a while back in the 90's-00's and was the feature topic on a TV series about "The Tube." That's a topic worth making a video of. Or vandalism on TfL in general.
Yeah. Couldn't help noticing the lesser-spotted "Shen Yun" poster in one shot, too. I used to think they seemed cool, but found out it's run by some homophobic cult. Hm, "tube adverts" might surprise as a fun topic. Must be some stories there...
It sounds like I have been lucky but I have travelled extensively on the Central Line since using it to get to school in the, ahem, 1960s and I have found the 1992 stock to be very reliable but yes, they do get very hot in the tunnels in the summer. I heeded TFL's advice and always took a bottle of water with me but on more than one occasion I ended up giving it away to somebody who looked like they were about to pass out!
'Victoria's Secret Line' made me cackle, thanks Jago
I remember usig the tube around 1995 and thinking how modern the Central Line stock seemed compared to the Northern Line stock which had wooden floors
I generally find the Central line is the most reliable line now, very rarely goes wrong now unlike when these trains started out. The 1992 stock refurb suggests to me that they’ve now changed their mind on replacing these with new trains, I don’t see this coming off the Central line anytime soon.
“Strongest bolts to my loose traction motor” genius
Purely aesthetics I guess but the central line trains always feel like the newer stock compare to other lines.
Great video Jago. Like you, I remember when the 1992 Stock first came into service, looked very futuristic at the time compared to other stock didn’t they?
That will have been around the time when that picture of you as a delightful toddler on Trafalgar Square arose, Rob me old lad. 😛
@@1258-Eckhart Oh no! Ha ha! That was quite a few years before then!! Early 80s ;-)
“Victoria Secret line” was superb. I’m here just as much for your hilarious quips, as I am about the informative content about the tube network. Keep up the good work, Sir.
As a man who, in the early 70s, used to sneak into depots to collect Underground train numbers, the 1992 stock still looks incredibly modern. I travelled regularly on the old 1938 Northern Line trains as well as District Line R stock (and when I was very young the Q stock). In fact the old Vic line 1967 stock felt very modern as well. The idea of a single class of stock across all deep level lines has been a long time coming. Of course they have it now on the sub surface lines.
I remember when those joined the fleet. It was a nice surprise to come to London and take the Central line to Bank (ugh) in new trains.
Liked the look of the green 1986 stock
To make you feel even older: 1992 was two years before Aldwych tube station was closed.
Great video, amazing to think those are 30 years old, remember them as brand new
Anyone else remember the intermittent door closing glitch when the tone didn’t stop and the shrilling kept going until your ears were ringing? Horrible.
I started work in late 1991 as an eager young teenage, so remember the excitement of commuting in the modern Central line carriages - and I remember the arm rests gradually disappearing. I still think of them as ‘new’ except when I actually travel on them. Dingy and dirty now.
Thanks Jago, for another great video.
What the designers fail to realise is that longitudinal seating is not liked by the passengers. I was on the Elizabeth Line on Monday and the crosswise seats were the ones that got taken first.
Is it Sonia who does the terminating announcements on the Jubilee? Those I find most irritating, especially the Stanmore ones. I much prefer the Westminster announcements.
I can remember when this rolling stock was first introduced on the Central Line, the doors could be opened independently and they were much faster than the previous generation; it didn't take long for all that to change, the doors were soon only operated by the driver, no doubt insisted upon by the Unions for 'safety reasons', (the same people who told us that removing the guards from trains would result in terrible accidents), but in reality to give the drivers something to do as the trains are fully automated. The trains were then slowed on various sections, particularly from Bank, presumably because the track couldn't cope with the increased speeds.
As to the heat issues, I think the rolling stock was never designed to carry the number of passengers it now does, at all times of the day and night; it is simply unbearable during the Summer, when I avoid using it whenever possible.
The reason the door operation was changed from passenger open/close (once the doors were activated by the driver) to operator open/close was because of either intentional or accidental misuse of the doors by members of the public. There were a number of injuries caused by this, so quite rightly so on the grounds of health and safety, full door operation was handed over to the driver. This was for all lines and not just the Central Line, unless the policy has changed since my retirement as a Central line driver in 2021. Also the 92 stock is NOT fully automatic, they have full manual speed operation, (under ATP), restricted manual speed operation (no ATP protection), and of course Automatic Train Operation. ATO is the preferred operating mode. The requirement is to drive the trains on Sundays and bank holidays on certain sections of the line, or if there is a problem with the train or the signaling system. The trains maximum acceleration from standstill (on the whole of the line) was governed down a numbered of years ago now, again on the grounds of health and safety. Their maximum speed was also reduced from 100kph to 80kph where parts of the line permits those speeds.
In around 1986, the Victorian Railways reluctantly ceased running the wooden Tait trains that were built in the VR workshops in the 1920s. At around sixty years were claimed to be the oldest rolling stock in current revenue service in the world.
At the time I was envious of other cities which replace rolling stock after 30 years.
Now the space-age Comeng trains are approaching 40 years old.
I've seen some video clips of restored sets. Awesome!
Great video as always Jago. However (don’t sigh), you did leave out the important, yet annoying glitch of the ‘92 stock’s emergency breaks kicking in when a numpty leans on the doors at rush hour.
Always great, as usual. Please do a video about the earth-shatteringly loud Northern line southbound into Euston, and what they're going to do about it.
Hiya Jago @ 0:52 - Of course the Blue was bult by B. R. - The give-away is 'The Blue' -cos they always painted their stock 'Blue' - 'Dirty Blue' or 'Boring Blue' or something like or words to that affect!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
Extremely interesting subject and video, Jago. Thanks, as always. I guess one thing I've always wondered is how do they get trains down to lines like the Waterloo and City and Victoria Lines. I suppose all the other lines have surface access at their extremities. That would be interesting to learn. 👍🏾⭐👏🏾
There’s a big hole and a lift at Waterloo.
@@damianpenfold3314 You can see it on Google Street View at the eastern end of Spur Road. The crane has 1.5t painted on it so is obviously just used for small items such as motors to replace ones which fall off.
As others have said, the W&C stock has to be craned out. The Victoria line has crossovers to the Piccadilly at Finsbury Park.
@@caw25sha Additional Crane brought in for carriage changeovers
Great videos Jago. Binged watched a load of them today and subscribed. 👍
Welcome aboard!
1:00 that could look like a brand new train today!!🤯
When I first moved to London from the East Midlands the D stock was in the process of being introduced. Travelling to work via the District line I would occasionally find myself stepping onto one of the older trains that were being phased out.
At my visit to London I was so surprised by the narrow metro tubes and the curved roof of the metro's
I filmed the 3 prototypes in 1986 when they were unveiled at Woodford.
Really love your video of the 92 stock Jago.
Sonia - Gets son ya nerves 🙄🤔😇🤣
Worked for LU in 1999 - can confirm that 'Sonia' was a name commonly used.
I like the look of them.
This model I like the most from all existing trains in London Underground.
The 'Sonia' joke has been around for at least 20 years or so, I remember reading that in some 'tube facts' someone (my aunt?) sent me in an email in the early 2000s.
I like how lightweight the trains are. It shows in the acceleration. Although as the top speed of the trains are currently restricted to 85 km/h, it would make more sense to regear the motors rather than implement a safety braking system. Better acceleration and less resistive power loss via heat.
When the digital announcing system was first introduced at Manningtree Station in Essex ( I know, I know, it's not a tube station) it was affectionately called Digital Doris. Just thought I'd mention it.
Features an iconic appearance in the super 90s film Sliding Doors!
Still at school, I saw the prototypes at Woodford, went to work in City, 92 stock was being introduced. Thats what I went to work on when it was brand new. Went on one recently, looks and sounds exactly the same. Cannot believe thats 30-40 years ago.
30 at most as the 92 stock after just 2 years older than me.
6:00 I definitely want to know more about the Victoria’s Secret Line🤔
London Underwired
If replacement was based on how old the trains are, then the order would be Bakerloo then Piccadilly with Central much later - so a refurbishment of the 1992 stock would make sense.
Can we all take a moment and think of those poor seats having to put up with so many farts.
A term I've heard referring to the DVA voice is Ann (as in Ann-ouncement)
7:15 that North Acton station 😊
That reveal on Jay’s channel was exactly why I love the community of TH-cam.
I didn't know they were that old, they always looked so new to me. I was used to those ones that ran on the district line, and the current one on the picadilly line. I don't think I saw these trains in the video until about around 2009
"Let's give some 30 year old trains an extensive refurbishment including old motors, then plan to replace them a few years later." "I wonder why we have no money."
Yep, and there it is, the moment fellow commuters look over at a guy (me) laughing out loud in the quietness of a tube carriage - the Victoria('s Secret) line joke at 5:50. Brilliant
"...the Victoria Secret Line"...Nuk, nuk, nuk. With apologies to Curly Howard.
If they're being refurbished so close to going away, I wonder if that suggests there's a plan afoot to use them to replace the very ageing Bakerloo stock?
Yes Sonia is known as "get Sonia nerves"- also heat on the central lines is caused by the clay soil in London absorbing the heat for decades not the open sections- the derailment at chancery lane was one of two - the other was at loughton -comments from an tube driver on the central line -
God, how I wish the Central line ran 2009 stock.
I was on that Chancery Lane derailment on the way to my first ever Arsenal match. Still got there in time for kick off!
I remember when it was new too!
It's almost traditional that major stuff will be done just a short while before demise. In fact it's endemic throughout any parts of the multiverse where bureaucracy has evolved. The Vogons are merely symptomatic (though quite probably more symptomatic of a solar system without a decent asteroid belt to reset evolution).
The problem is......
Its not the trains, its the line they are allocated to
Think about their predecessors, the 1973, 1983 and The D Stock. Those trains were all built on the principle of 6 longer cars instead of 7 short length cars, which was fine for the 3 lines that they were allocated to
Ideally the same principle should have been applied to the 1992's, (7 long instead of 8 short cars) with those tight curves at Bank its so out of the question.
The 92s could be better, I suggested so many times that seat bays need to be set back more to allow more space......No ones taken any notice yet.😮
Talking of glitches, did you know that Vivarail has gone bust? They supplied recycled tube stock. Bedford-Bletchley services have already been suspended as a consequence. The Island LIne also recently acquired Viviarail stock. There's a lanonic video for you to make about the demise of Vivarail! Thank for uploading.
Oof, I didn't know about that. I was almost meant to travel that route today so good thing I went with a different route instead.
The 1992 stock is a lemon
4:54 - The gap between the plattform and the train if HUGE! 😮
brilliant, currently i use a japanese train announcement as my basic ringtone, when i get calls on the train no one seems to mind the noise, but using emma for one one two might be fun.
Dont need to remind me about the 92's unreliability when i'm sat on one that's currently very delayed
According to Wikipedia, the 92 stocks are actually staying until the late 2030s. Same time as the bakerloo line, which I just don't know why the bakerloo line is getting new trains that late
I used to commute on the Central line and for the first few years of the new trains there were so many problems it wasn't funny. Back then you could get a refund in the form of a printed voucher and I accumulated over a hundred pounds' worth at one point. The signalling system seemed to be a big factor, and I'd be interested to know if that was a coincidence. Sitting on a hot, motionless train wasn't fun, and was even less fun when the power went as well. My dad also travelled part of his commute on the Central line and he had to be walked through the tunnels when that was the only way to get people off the train; and his journey was on the section east of Liverpool Street station where the distance between the stations is greater. I think they must have had some usually hidden access to get them out of the tunnels between the stations, though.
Only a relatively short commute (in theory) but an unpleasant one. The reliability did eventually begin to improve.
I'm over 6 feet tall and one thing I appreciated about the new trains was no longer having the risk of my head making contact with a naked light bulb at the end of a carriage! Amazing today they were ever allowed to do that.
There does not seem to be so much short turning at White City these days , which must be some sign of better reliability
This British rail where you don't expect inflected video has reminded me to wonder if you will ever cover The Ultimate. Sadly now deceased but surely the least expected British Rail involvement ever.
Still smoother than the Moorgate branch though. For those reading and asking 'The Ultimate what?', The Ultimate was a rollercoaster up in Yorkshire which was abandoned during the pandemic. Still holds the record for world's second longest rollercoaster, and when it ran it wanted to kill you in the best way possible.
I hope they replace those terrible dim orange destination signs at the front, with clear white letters. It would be nice to know where the train is going sometimes, especially at Stratford, going east, where the platform sign tells you about trains going to Shenfield, and the on-train announcer is too busy going on about everything obvious, that we already know, apart from where the train is actually going :-)
Didn't the 92 stock also have a habit of displacing the positive conductor rail in their early years thanks to the slightly different placement of the rail on Central line post-tunnel enlargement?
Somewhere on TH-cam there's footage of some Class 482s passing Stratford on a test run. It's so bizarre that those units retained the old Network Southeast colours for over a decade after becoming part of the LU fleet. As for the line's future, I can't imagine it will ever get upgraded to have ATO; to me it doesn't make sense on such a short line.
Either way the Waterloo & City still has a fascinating history, and incidentally I recently made an (unexpectedly successful) video about the older Class 487 units.
ive seen that footage too
th-cam.com/video/MhUDyX4DKXQ/w-d-xo.html
that is the video where at the end it has them running at Stratford, there is another video where they (Waterloo & CIty fleet) are seen at Leyton station while on Test runs