Well, the tire is approximately 1 inch taller, you have to measure from the hub for the radius, not the diameter, which means it’s only half an inch as others have said. So essentially you have a 2 inch lift with an additional lift of half an inch of tires of 2 1/2 inch total lift. I just want to make sure you know incorrectly advising others.
@@4Runner_4ever I guess that depends where you’re measuring from. But in essence you are correct, tires provide the truest form of clearance and lifting it for the most part is to help fit larger tires, as well as chopping the body, etc.
Drives me insane Toyota markets the TRD line as "off road" and then they make them with super small Fender wells. 4runner, Tacoma, Tundra. All of them. Then look at how much room Jeep gives. If you put a 2" lift on a wrangler of Gladiator you can clear a 37 with no rubbing at all
You're not wrong and understandably, I think Jeep was built with the intention of it being off-road first while the 4Runner was built with on-road comfort first in mind. To me, the 4Runner is perfectly balanced (with the exception of it lacking power and more gears). At the end of the day, the 4Runner works for me and it can be built to be as capable as a Jeep but Jeep isn't going to get anymore comfortable on-road due to the front solid axle.
@@francisngo land cruiser has always had that issue. Old jeeps did as well. They were build to go off road... and do it quite well even with 32s... Off roading has become a clown show of who can stuff 37s on a rig. A stock 4runner can go to moab and do very well. A 2005 Rubicon with its 33s can do very well... It's just a crazy arms race for bigger and better. Now 37s are super sexy but they are ridiculously oversized.
@@MrManic52001 You are 100% correct as the Jeep Rubicon stock from the factory is capable of the Rubicon Trail ! Yes bigger tires help off road but when is enough enough and no one with 37 wants to talk MPG and you put more miles on getting to the trail than on the trail.
Another option for those not wanting to do a ton of trimming but still want larger diameter tires is to look at the 255/80/17's - still a 33" tire, but you run less of a risk (at least with stock wheels) with rubbing on UCA's or body mounts. Also, the decreased weight and rolling resistance of the 255's usually will result in less of a mpg hit than the 285's.
I’ve seen these slim tires work just as well for regular terrain and even better in mud. Sand... not so sure but airing down can make that wide foot print. The foot front leg the will still be very large. It could be argued that for what a near stock 4Runner can do, wider tires don’t actually do much. (Like extreme rock crawling requires a highly modified vehicle well above. A 2-4” lift.
Hey thanks, man. First review I ever see where someone mentions that the stock TRD Pro wheels with a 2" lift may not rub if wrapped in 285/70R17s. I know that this is not a guarantee, but it gives me more confidence to consider replacing my stock 265s with 285s instead of the sure-fire 275s. Great review!
Yes something to always remember is every vehicle specification is different. Another thing to consider is getting an SPC upper control arm. It allows you to adjust the caster which a stock or other aftermarket UCA may not be able to do. Thanks for watching!
The 1st # (265, 275, 285) is tire width in mm. The second # is the height ratio. 285 doesn't necessarily mean a taller tire. Vehicle looks nice for sure.
The second # is tire side profile. The higher, the thicker side profile, in this case 70. that's what makes the taller tire. Standard tire is 265/60/r17 if I'm not mistaken. Because i own a Fortuner, which is comparable with 4runner.
@@lucky889s9 Stock is 265/70/r17. The 70 is the height of the sidewalll *as a percentage of the width* so a 285/70 is going to have a 14mm taller sidewall all around, so 28mm total so 1.1" taller diameter vs a 265/70.
I had K02s on my truck and really liked them. They held up really well over the 60,000kms I put on them before trading in the truck. I have Duratracs on my 4Runner and I'm quite happy with them as well. The Duratracs handled remarkably well in the recent snowfall we received in Southwest Ontario (Canada). In 4H, it made a foot of snow an absolutely breeze. I'm still torn on whether I prefer the Duratracs over K02s; I might give the Duratracs a sight edge in traction.
I don't do boulder crawling. Ever. I have benefited greatly by lifting and running 17 inch rims, 285's, on 2-track roads in the desert as well as the mountains. Sometimes the deep ruts in the trails would bottom-out most standard trucks. The crawl controls are great for steep inclines and declines and keep the 4Runner stable.
Instead of ruining your truck with all that expensive crap, just carry a shovel. Throw some rocks and dirt in the deep ruts and drive through. Problem solved.
I have these same tires and size on my 2017 TRD off road. I have a 3” Toytec lift so absolutely no rub. I am due for new tires & will be getting the same again. Best investment.
you're one of the lucky fews. every 4runner is different and so some will rub and some won't but it looks like for you, the extra inch lift might have helped.
Crazy as it sounds, different 285/70/17 manufacturer tires are actually different sized... Michelin's LTX are significantly smaller than KO2's and they are a true 60K mile tire that does surprisingly well in off road conditions
Good vid. With the front mudflap delete, I plugged the plastic pins into the open hole on the upper portion, where the pin was originally with the mudlfap. Don’t want to get water in there.
Just got my 2020 ORP (non-KDSS) back from dealership yesterday. Went with their recommendation as Toyota Warranty is very, very particular about changes, because I have the Southeastern Dealer Limited Lifetime Engine and Drive Train coverage. Dealership would only install a 3/2 ReadyLift kit (to retain warranty) and I chose the BFG K02 285/70/R17 upgrade. Came w/stock TRD Pro rims so did not option aftermarket rims. Excellent point that you mention them in your video as most people overlook the fact that aftermarkets (and other Factory rims!) can have different +/- offset. The TRD Pro's are designed for this size tire WITH a lift kit. Don't forget to do the 4-wheel alignment!!!!!! Have not been on the trail YET.....but have been jumping a few speed humps in the neighborhood (and crawled a couple of ditches) to exercise the travel trying to find any interference. Yep it is tight (maxed out tight!), however NO rubbing what so ever, still got the mud flaps, and the Warranty Department gave blessings. Oh, and replaced the spare with same, YES it does fit in the tire well. Any bigger you are definitely trimming and probably going to have to go with the external carrier rack. Thanks for the video and helpful info! Happy Trails!
Francis - REALLY appreciate you making this video. I am wanting to get the exact same 285/70-17 KO2's for my TRD Off-Road and I've been trying to find info on whether or not the tires will interfere with the upper control arm after I install a 3/1 leveling kit. Great job on the fender mods, nice and clean. It's reassuring to know you're not getting tire rub up front.
@3:19 If you increase the diameter of a tire by 2 inches you do not gain 2 inches in ground clearance. You only gain one half of the diameter or the radius which is 1 inch of ground clearance. You also add a tremendous amount of stress to every component from the bearings to the driveshafts to the transmission and engine.
You're not wrong... that said, people seem to get away with it with these without damages, provided you don't drive it like a maniac. They are very durable but it all depends on the driver and amount of care. Would not go bigger than 285's though. In fact, I'd favor a 175 for sure. One size up is minimal and no cutting needed so better if you dont want to start trimming.
You are correct on the ground clearance increase provided by solely doing a tire upsize. However, your claim of "tremendous amount of stress to every component" is flat wrong. Do you add some additional stress with lifts, larger tires, and accessories? Yes, you do. I've had several 4Runners over the last two decades and all have been properly lifted, tires upsized, supercharger added, and other accessories and gear placed on or in the vehicle. I've driven them all well into the six figures of mileage and have never had a major mechanical failure. A stock 4Runner will get you around town and do OK in winter weather. A properly lifted and accessorized 4Runner will leave the stock 4Runner in the dust however when the pavement ends or the winter weather is nasty.
id do 275 , wouldn't have to do any extra trimming or cutting the fender liners. also lighter tire just about the same height increase and better fuel economy
285/70 nitto recon grappler on 17x8.5 in wheel with -10 offset. All I had to do was heat gun the front fender liners. Enough clearance from the body mounts as well
So lock to lock all you had to do was heat gun the front and bend the wheel well liners? I’m asking because I was thinking about getting some 17x8.5 with nitro grapplers that are 285/70. Do you have a lift kit??
Super nice looking rig, but a 2" taller tire only gives you a 1" lift, as you can only take half of the increase in tire size due to measuring from the middle of the wheel to either top or bottom. Thanks for the info, I'm trying to figure out whether I need to switch to TRD Pro wheels versus my TRD Off Road based on off sets, since I'm going to try 255/80-17. Hoping to avoid any rubbing based on it being more narrow but they are slightly taller than the 285/70's.
Good video! You’re not getting as much ground clearance gain as you thought FYI, you get HALF the increase in tire size. 1” not 2” (radius value not diameter). Time to go bigger!
great vid! getting a 2021 4runner trd off road and putting 285 70 17's with method rims so gonna try and not do the body mount chop if possible and do minimal cutting for the time being lol
At the beginning, I thought, no way in chance I was going to cut the bumper or do any body modifications. But after some time, driving with bigger tires and now getting bigger wheels, I prefer having a peace of mind knowing that I can perform a full turn and off-road without rubbing. Because when I running 285s with no lift, the sound of rubbing was unbearable and I knew I was causing wear/tear. At the end of the day, if you don't want to worry about it driving, you got to pay the piper and CUT IT.
Why not go with 255 80? No modif, no rubs, no hassle, still taller, and surely greater MPG... i feel like going wider is only for looks without much purpose.
Thanks for the video! I have a 2020 TRD Pro 4Runner with factory Fox suspension and TRD Pro rims. There's ~13K miles on the stock 265 Terra Grapplers and my plan is to move to the same tire you have when those wear down a bit more. You mentioned that you've heard those with the Pro wheels didn't rub...is that because the skinnier wheel with similar backspacing doesn't come in as far?
I like it but with a lot of off-roading that I do, it requires service frequently (currently have Stage 7 shocks on). I am beginning to look into Dobinsons because they seem low maintenance and has high performance.
Yes, especially with wider tires. I try taking care of my paint, and mudflaps are underrated, even for street cars. Aside from the front end and mirrors, the paint behind the front wheels take the most beating. I keep my cars for a long time and really take care of the paint. So mudflaps/guards are a must if you you're not going to use PPF.
Hey man. The width of the tire has zero effect on the ground clearance of the vehicle. You said going from 265 to 285 increased your ground clearance, but you were describing the width of the tire.
Your 4runner looks good. You should paint the silver trim under the grill black. A lot of cars have that trim on the front and back and it looks like a diaper.
Yes if you take a look at the chart in the description, 275s tend to not rub but every vehicle is different due to weight, alignment, suspension, wheel size and etc. I even heard people not having any rub issues on 285s and some that do. I was hoping I didn't but I am going to do a BMC since the new wheels are wider and I am rubbing big time now.
Can you measure the height of tire on your truck tell me the height it is I’m thinking of buying 4 of them how close to 33 in are they thank you new subscriber 👍🇨🇦
Not when I had the Trail/ORP wheels. But since the recording of this video, I have upgraded to SCS wheels and had to get a BMC in order to stop the rubbing (SCS wheels are wider).
@@francisngo thanks for the reply. We just picked up a 2020 trd with the alloy rims. I ordered a eibach lift anticipating 285’s but I think I’m going to stick with 275/70/17.
prior to this video on 285's was it still on its Original suspension? or had you already modified that? i am new and just starting this process on my 2018 SR5
At the time of installation of 285s, the 4Runner was on stock suspension but as seen in video, I had installed the ICON suspension. The lift helped with a bit of the rubbing.
Hi, I have question I have a 23 4Runner trd off-road I want to put the ko2 285/70r17 with a -6 offset wheels but I don’t want to lift it, do you you think if I made the same modifications that you did and the -6 offset wheels it’s going to be enough to avoid rubbing?
I’ve got about the same amount of rubbing with a smaller 275 BFG T/A KO2 on an SR5 (not TRD). Why am I getting the rubbing with a smaller tire? Is it because I’m not TRD?
The wheel well shouldn't matter too much between 4Runner trims with the exception that the TRD Pro does have a 2" lift and does help a little but every 4Runner alignment is different and depends on various components such as wheel size, tire brand, suspension kits, and alignment. This is why some 4Runner owners will notice rubbing on size 275 tires while some might not get rubbing on size 285 tires.
This tire size is not really worth it other than for looks! Chopping, lifting, road noise and buying a spare to match are just a few setbacks! You can do just fine with an all terrain tire with stock wheel size.
Too bad the stock wheels (17"×7") on the T4R SR5 are too small for 285s (7.5" min width needed). I lifted my rig (~3" in the front and 2" in the back) and was seriously considering 285s. Will likely keep stock wheels and run 275s after I wear down my 265 duratracs. The bfs and new wheels look sweet on your runner. Nice trimming mod. Thanks for sharing.
I have not noticed any vibration or balancing issue. As long as you get an alignment when the tires are installed, I feel as though there shouldn't be any issues.
@@francisngo get pics on Instagram! I’m thinking about keeping my factory wheels and doing a 3” lift with 285s. Is there are issues under full compression?
@@TH-camMaster1611 No issues so far. You may still need to do some cutting and potentially BMC if you go with just a 3" on 285s. I've had issues when making a U-turn going down hill or coming out of a high sloped drive way. Ended up doing a BMC. I don't have any rubbing what so ever.
@@dp1643 Mine is a daily driver. With the 285s, I saw a decrease of 1-2 MPG from factory. With a rooftop tent and storage box on top, I get about 12-14 city, 14-16 highway nowadays.
@@dp1643 Every 4Runner will be different. I recommend if you decide to get 285s, to get them and drive around. If it runs then do the trimming. Drive again and and check to see if you’re running anywhere and trim accordingly. All in all, I recommend getting body mount chop to have a peace of mind. I was able to drive with no rubbing but the moment I made a tight U-turn, I rubbed hard especially when the U-turn is downhill so I went for the chop and trimmed more. If you are only daily driving, I would consider keeping 265 or going up to 275. But like mentioned earlier, some 4Runners will still rub with even 275 size tires due to alignment so it’s trial and error.
I haven't measured but as of this time of video, the lift was around 2.5 in the front and 2 in the back. I know this because the ICON rear springs gives it a 2" lift and the 4Runner was leveled leaving me to believe the front coilovers were set at 2.5". Since then, my rear is now 3" with a forward rake. Looking to go to a shop and lift the front to 3 or 3.5"
@@francisngo I installed a Dobbinsons 2.5/1.5 lift. I noticed that the rear went higher than 1.5 but more so about 2’ which left a little more rake than I wanted. For me to go from 2.5 front to 3’ what would be the best way? I really don’t want to have to buy new springs.
Just curious why you're talking about how the width of the tire (265 vs 285) gave you additional ground clearance. The width of the tire has nothing to do with that.
I said 265 and 285 to differ the difference between the stock tire size and the new tires that I bought. I could say 285/70R/17 and 265/70R/17 but I felt it was too redundant. Furthermore, I made a mistake by saying the new tires give 2" ground clearance, when I meant 1"
when I said I went two sizes up, I didn't mean I gained two inches. Based on the comments though, I did make a simple math error by thinking I gained 2" but in reality only gained 1" of ground clearance.
The 285 definitely plays a role in height because the 70 is a ratio of the 285. 285 is taller than 275. Look up the definition of the middle number in 285/70/17
I would say you would still need it if you plan to do some off roading and aren't on full lock turns all too often or don't mind if there is a little rubbing with the KO2s and stock TRD wheels. If you go with bigger wheels, it will likely begin rubbing.
Do you know what is the weight difference between the (D) load rating and the (C) load rating??? unless you're rock crawling you really don't need the "D" load it's a fcuking weight-hog!
I agree. With everything that I am doing (moderate off-roading, camping with roof top tent weight) load c is just enough. Anything more would be overkill for me. Thanks for watching!
Another mistake I had in the video - I mentioned I went with load range of C when my purchase history shows it was E. Regardless, I think load range of C would still be good enough as I don't carry a lot or have aftermarket bumpers. Stock Jeeps Wranglers do come with 285 tires with a load range of C
Thanks for all the comments. I know in the video I mentioned 2" ground clearance when it is actually 1" ground clearance.
Tires in reality only give you 0.5" over a 265.
I was going to say the same..
31.6" to 32.8" is not 2".
Well, the tire is approximately 1 inch taller, you have to measure from the hub for the radius, not the diameter, which means it’s only half an inch as others have said. So essentially you have a 2 inch lift with an additional lift of half an inch of tires of 2 1/2 inch total lift. I just want to make sure you know incorrectly advising others.
@@4Runner_4ever I guess that depends where you’re measuring from. But in essence you are correct, tires provide the truest form of clearance and lifting it for the most part is to help fit larger tires, as well as chopping the body, etc.
Drives me insane Toyota markets the TRD line as "off road" and then they make them with super small Fender wells. 4runner, Tacoma, Tundra. All of them. Then look at how much room Jeep gives. If you put a 2" lift on a wrangler of Gladiator you can clear a 37 with no rubbing at all
You're not wrong and understandably, I think Jeep was built with the intention of it being off-road first while the 4Runner was built with on-road comfort first in mind. To me, the 4Runner is perfectly balanced (with the exception of it lacking power and more gears). At the end of the day, the 4Runner works for me and it can be built to be as capable as a Jeep but Jeep isn't going to get anymore comfortable on-road due to the front solid axle.
that jeep sacrafised and will be in the shop in no time
@@francisngo land cruiser has always had that issue. Old jeeps did as well. They were build to go off road... and do it quite well even with 32s...
Off roading has become a clown show of who can stuff 37s on a rig. A stock 4runner can go to moab and do very well. A 2005 Rubicon with its 33s can do very well...
It's just a crazy arms race for bigger and better. Now 37s are super sexy but they are ridiculously oversized.
Difference is the 4Runner will keep on going. Jeep will break down.
@@MrManic52001
You are 100% correct as the Jeep Rubicon stock from the factory is capable of the Rubicon Trail ! Yes bigger tires help off road but when is enough enough and no one with 37 wants to talk MPG and you put more miles on getting to the trail than on the trail.
Another option for those not wanting to do a ton of trimming but still want larger diameter tires is to look at the 255/80/17's - still a 33" tire, but you run less of a risk (at least with stock wheels) with rubbing on UCA's or body mounts. Also, the decreased weight and rolling resistance of the 255's usually will result in less of a mpg hit than the 285's.
I’ve seen these slim tires work just as well for regular terrain and even better in mud. Sand... not so sure but airing down can make that wide foot print. The foot front leg the will still be very large. It could be argued that for what a near stock 4Runner can do, wider tires don’t actually do much. (Like extreme rock crawling requires a highly modified vehicle well above. A 2-4” lift.
For me this is a better option, i'm glad someone mentioned it.
But they are 10mm narrower from the stock. How can they hold on the stock wheels???
Your suggestion with the 255 has be thinkin. It might be the way I go
To check rubbing you should make it flex. In flat surface everything will work.
Hey thanks, man. First review I ever see where someone mentions that the stock TRD Pro wheels with a 2" lift may not rub if wrapped in 285/70R17s. I know that this is not a guarantee, but it gives me more confidence to consider replacing my stock 265s with 285s instead of the sure-fire 275s. Great review!
Yes something to always remember is every vehicle specification is different. Another thing to consider is getting an SPC upper control arm. It allows you to adjust the caster which a stock or other aftermarket UCA may not be able to do. Thanks for watching!
Go full body mount chop and viper cut on the front... you know 35s are in your future.
@@MrManic52001 With the way I am driving it, I don't have any desires to go any bigger than 33"
The 1st # (265, 275, 285) is tire width in mm. The second # is the height ratio. 285 doesn't necessarily mean a taller tire. Vehicle looks nice for sure.
The second # is tire side profile. The higher, the thicker side profile, in this case 70. that's what makes the taller tire. Standard tire is 265/60/r17 if I'm not mistaken. Because i own a Fortuner, which is comparable with 4runner.
@@lucky889s9 Stock is 265/70/r17. The 70 is the height of the sidewalll *as a percentage of the width* so a 285/70 is going to have a 14mm taller sidewall all around, so 28mm total so 1.1" taller diameter vs a 265/70.
I had K02s on my truck and really liked them. They held up really well over the 60,000kms I put on them before trading in the truck. I have Duratracs on my 4Runner and I'm quite happy with them as well. The Duratracs handled remarkably well in the recent snowfall we received in Southwest Ontario (Canada). In 4H, it made a foot of snow an absolutely breeze. I'm still torn on whether I prefer the Duratracs over K02s; I might give the Duratracs a sight edge in traction.
Toyo Open Country seem reputable too. I might want to try something different down the road.
I’ve had both and the KO2 lasted me much longer. I was lucky to get 25k miles on the Goodyear’s.
You can keep the mudflaps by carving the center where it rubs but leave the mounting bolts.....285's with a 2.5'' lift and 17x9 Mamba's
I don't do boulder crawling. Ever.
I have benefited greatly by lifting and running 17 inch rims, 285's, on 2-track roads in the desert as well as the mountains. Sometimes the deep ruts in the trails would bottom-out most standard trucks.
The crawl controls are great for steep inclines and declines and keep the 4Runner stable.
I use crawl control when I’m crawling through the cemetery. Those grave markers can be slippery.
@@johnmadsen37 LOL !!!! 🤪
Instead of ruining your truck with all that expensive crap, just carry a shovel. Throw some rocks and dirt in the deep ruts and drive through. Problem solved.
@@bassage13 That would be unwise where I live and where I go.
But YOU can do that.
Good luck. You're going to need it.
I have these same tires and size on my 2017 TRD off road. I have a 3” Toytec lift so absolutely no rub. I am due for new tires & will be getting the same again. Best investment.
you're one of the lucky fews. every 4runner is different and so some will rub and some won't but it looks like for you, the extra inch lift might have helped.
Crazy as it sounds, different 285/70/17 manufacturer tires are actually different sized... Michelin's LTX are significantly smaller than KO2's and they are a true 60K mile tire that does surprisingly well in off road conditions
Good vid. With the front mudflap delete, I plugged the plastic pins into the open hole on the upper portion, where the pin was originally with the mudlfap. Don’t want to get water in there.
Just got my 2020 ORP (non-KDSS) back from dealership yesterday. Went with their recommendation as Toyota Warranty is very, very particular about changes, because I have the Southeastern Dealer Limited Lifetime Engine and Drive Train coverage. Dealership would only install a 3/2 ReadyLift kit (to retain warranty) and I chose the BFG K02 285/70/R17 upgrade. Came w/stock TRD Pro rims so did not option aftermarket rims. Excellent point that you mention them in your video as most people overlook the fact that aftermarkets (and other Factory rims!) can have different +/- offset. The TRD Pro's are designed for this size tire WITH a lift kit. Don't forget to do the 4-wheel alignment!!!!!! Have not been on the trail YET.....but have been jumping a few speed humps in the neighborhood (and crawled a couple of ditches) to exercise the travel trying to find any interference. Yep it is tight (maxed out tight!), however NO rubbing what so ever, still got the mud flaps, and the Warranty Department gave blessings. Oh, and replaced the spare with same, YES it does fit in the tire well. Any bigger you are definitely trimming and probably going to have to go with the external carrier rack. Thanks for the video and helpful info! Happy Trails!
Pro wheels are too narrow and look weird sitting inside the fender. I recommend people with 4Rs go aftermarket every time.
Francis - REALLY appreciate you making this video. I am wanting to get the exact same 285/70-17 KO2's for my TRD Off-Road and I've been trying to find info on whether or not the tires will interfere with the upper control arm after I install a 3/1 leveling kit. Great job on the fender mods, nice and clean. It's reassuring to know you're not getting tire rub up front.
Hey question. First, where did u get your 3/1 leveling kit? And does it make the front end sit higher than the rear?
DLsGameGuides it will. get a 3/2
@@tb2044 that’s what I’m going for, I like the raised front end look
DLsGameGuides 😬
@@tb2044 not a fan? Lol
285's fit great as long as you don't turn. Good thing I am going to use my 4Runner for drag racing.
Your 4runner is looking sharp
@3:19 If you increase the diameter of a tire by 2 inches you do not gain 2 inches in ground clearance. You only gain one half of the diameter or the radius which is 1 inch of ground clearance. You also add a tremendous amount of stress to every component from the bearings to the driveshafts to the transmission and engine.
You're not wrong... that said, people seem to get away with it with these without damages, provided you don't drive it like a maniac. They are very durable but it all depends on the driver and amount of care. Would not go bigger than 285's though. In fact, I'd favor a 175 for sure. One size up is minimal and no cutting needed so better if you dont want to start trimming.
You are correct on the ground clearance increase provided by solely doing a tire upsize. However, your claim of "tremendous amount of stress to every component" is flat wrong. Do you add some additional stress with lifts, larger tires, and accessories? Yes, you do. I've had several 4Runners over the last two decades and all have been properly lifted, tires upsized, supercharger added, and other accessories and gear placed on or in the vehicle. I've driven them all well into the six figures of mileage and have never had a major mechanical failure. A stock 4Runner will get you around town and do OK in winter weather. A properly lifted and accessorized 4Runner will leave the stock 4Runner in the dust however when the pavement ends or the winter weather is nasty.
Its only 1" of ground clearance. You only get half of the total increase.
It's the clearance under that pesky 4runner fuel tank that takes the fun out of it.
Nice 4runner. I myself is contemplating if I should go 285. I have a 2.5 lift in the front and 3inch in the rear. Currently running 265/70/16.
I don't regret going 285s at all. I was hesitant at first but it's worth it to me.
You could try Mickey Thompson 19.5/54-20LT Tire, Baja Pro XS tires.
id do 275 , wouldn't have to do any extra trimming or cutting the fender liners. also lighter tire just about the same height increase and better fuel economy
@@rjcam Yeah that’s what I was also thinking
285/70 nitto recon grappler on 17x8.5 in wheel with -10 offset. All I had to do was heat gun the front fender liners. Enough clearance from the body mounts as well
So lock to lock all you had to do was heat gun the front and bend the wheel well liners? I’m asking because I was thinking about getting some 17x8.5 with nitro grapplers that are 285/70. Do you have a lift kit??
Also the wheels I’m thinking about getting have a -10 offset
I like my recons
Or get 275/70R17s that are perfect for the FJ and 4Runner without any Mods...32.5 inch
instead of the 33 inch 285's.
I've considered 275s but wanted to go slightly bigger.
Super nice looking rig, but a 2" taller tire only gives you a 1" lift, as you can only take half of the increase in tire size due to measuring from the middle of the wheel to either top or bottom. Thanks for the info, I'm trying to figure out whether I need to switch to TRD Pro wheels versus my TRD Off Road based on off sets, since I'm going to try 255/80-17. Hoping to avoid any rubbing based on it being more narrow but they are slightly taller than the 285/70's.
Good video! You’re not getting as much ground clearance gain as you thought FYI, you get HALF the increase in tire size. 1” not 2” (radius value not diameter). Time to go bigger!
Thanks! I realize I should have done some measurements.
@@francisngo it’s less measurements and more simple math. Radius is half of diameter.
@D.B. Cooper guess i still have a lot to learn 😅
D.B. Cooper what’s a radius and how do I get one?
Nice color!!! How did the bigger tire affect fuel economy
Personally, i like the 265 tires on the black 17” TRD wheels. Will probably get some 265 KOs after the Grapplers are worn.
Do you install a lift kit? Or is it stock height?
Nice T4R! That looks like the parking lot at the aquatic center at the Rose Bowl.
It sure is. AKA my work garage.
So you didn’t lift it? Just bought bigger tires?
@@TheReysinhell I have Icon Stage 2 kit.
Looks awesome bro just got some 275/70/18 and yes they look beefy
Appreciate that load range heads up Brotha!
great vid! getting a 2021 4runner trd off road and putting 285 70 17's with method rims so gonna try and not do the body mount chop if possible and do minimal cutting for the time being lol
At the beginning, I thought, no way in chance I was going to cut the bumper or do any body modifications. But after some time, driving with bigger tires and now getting bigger wheels, I prefer having a peace of mind knowing that I can perform a full turn and off-road without rubbing. Because when I running 285s with no lift, the sound of rubbing was unbearable and I knew I was causing wear/tear. At the end of the day, if you don't want to worry about it driving, you got to pay the piper and CUT IT.
@@francisngo exactly this. Unfortunately you will probably have to do a bmc and some trimmings !
Why not go with 255 80? No modif, no rubs, no hassle, still taller, and surely greater MPG... i feel like going wider is only for looks without much purpose.
Thanks for the video! I have a 2020 TRD Pro 4Runner with factory Fox suspension and TRD Pro rims. There's ~13K miles on the stock 265 Terra Grapplers and my plan is to move to the same tire you have when those wear down a bit more. You mentioned that you've heard those with the Pro wheels didn't rub...is that because the skinnier wheel with similar backspacing doesn't come in as far?
I would say the smaller width of the wheel helps.
The pro wheels have a 4mm more offset than the stock wheels
TRD Pro Wheels are 4mm offset.
Nice!!! thanks for the nuggets..btw how do you the Icon stage2?
I like it but with a lot of off-roading that I do, it requires service frequently (currently have Stage 7 shocks on). I am beginning to look into Dobinsons because they seem low maintenance and has high performance.
Dobinson site has Memorial Day 25% off.
Without the front mud flaps, wouldn’t rocks go on the side panel paint?
Yes, especially with wider tires. I try taking care of my paint, and mudflaps are underrated, even for street cars. Aside from the front end and mirrors, the paint behind the front wheels take the most beating. I keep my cars for a long time and really take care of the paint. So mudflaps/guards are a must if you you're not going to use PPF.
Great Video, thanks dude!
That red is tuff.
Cool - thanks for the vid. Just upgraded my tires to 285/70/17. Quick question - what phone mount are you using?
I use a magsafe car mount - here is the link: amzn.to/3wNsiqB
@@francisngo Thanks
Hey man. The width of the tire has zero effect on the ground clearance of the vehicle. You said going from 265 to 285 increased your ground clearance, but you were describing the width of the tire.
We have very similar 4Runners! :) 👍👊🏻
Your 4runner looks good. You should paint the silver trim under the grill black. A lot of cars have that trim on the front and back and it looks like a diaper.
Did you ever switch the wheels to the -10 offset?? Did you make a video? Thanks bro
Was that a stock height? Or with a lift kit?
275/70/17 (32") rub without removing mud flap, cutting, on factory suspension and no lift?
Yes if you take a look at the chart in the description, 275s tend to not rub but every vehicle is different due to weight, alignment, suspension, wheel size and etc. I even heard people not having any rub issues on 285s and some that do. I was hoping I didn't but I am going to do a BMC since the new wheels are wider and I am rubbing big time now.
Great video, thanks for sharing! I wasn’t able to find it in the comments but are you using a spacer to clear your upper control arms?
No spacers needed with my set up.
Can you measure the height of tire on your truck tell me the height it is I’m thinking of buying 4 of them how close to 33 in are they thank you new subscriber 👍🇨🇦
Have you had any rubbing off road or in 4x4? Thanks.
Not when I had the Trail/ORP wheels. But since the recording of this video, I have upgraded to SCS wheels and had to get a BMC in order to stop the rubbing (SCS wheels are wider).
@@francisngo thanks for the reply. We just picked up a 2020 trd with the alloy rims. I ordered a eibach lift anticipating 285’s but I think I’m going to stick with 275/70/17.
what rims are those love them!! look better than the black
prior to this video on 285's was it still on its Original suspension? or had you already modified that? i am new and just starting this process on my 2018 SR5
At the time of installation of 285s, the 4Runner was on stock suspension but as seen in video, I had installed the ICON suspension. The lift helped with a bit of the rubbing.
@@francisngo how much of a lift? is it = to 3" front and 2" in back?
ask ause im looking at 285 70R17 NITTO TERRA G2's
@@mattnichols9158 It was 2" in both the front and in the back (wasn't leveled before). Now, it's 3.5" in the front and 3" on the back.
What psi you running?
Around 32-35PSI on road and 15-18PSI off road
When you put your tires, do you have to put spacers on the wheels?
What psi are you running and what cleaning agent are you using?
Hi, I have question I have a 23 4Runner trd off-road I want to put the ko2 285/70r17 with a -6 offset wheels but I don’t want to lift it, do you you think if I made the same modifications that you did and the -6 offset wheels it’s going to be enough to avoid rubbing?
I’ve got about the same amount of rubbing with a smaller 275 BFG T/A KO2 on an SR5 (not TRD). Why am I getting the rubbing with a smaller tire? Is it because I’m not TRD?
The wheel well shouldn't matter too much between 4Runner trims with the exception that the TRD Pro does have a 2" lift and does help a little but every 4Runner alignment is different and depends on various components such as wheel size, tire brand, suspension kits, and alignment.
This is why some 4Runner owners will notice rubbing on size 275 tires while some might not get rubbing on size 285 tires.
It is car like Hilux Pick up ? I can install 295/70 R17?
I noticed your phone mount in the video. Which brand do you have? I don’t want to use one that requires me to drill into the face of the dash.
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Did you add any kind of lift?
Yes there is a 2 in lift
This tire size is not really worth it other than for looks! Chopping, lifting, road noise and buying a spare to match are just a few setbacks! You can do just fine with an all terrain tire with stock wheel size.
But he needs to look cool at the mall!
Jajaja like he said just for the look
Nice
Did you have any vibration issues, steering wheel vibrations?
Minor but because they’re bigger and more off-road tires. Have you got the wheels properly balanced after installing?
@@francisngo I got them Road Force balanced and it was a big improvement. Thanks for the reply.
What leveling kit did you install
Do u have stock suspension with no lift with 285 in this videos?
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Too bad the stock wheels (17"×7") on the T4R SR5 are too small for 285s (7.5" min width needed).
I lifted my rig (~3" in the front and 2" in the back) and was seriously considering 285s. Will likely keep stock wheels and run 275s after I wear down my 265 duratracs.
The bfs and new wheels look sweet on your runner. Nice trimming mod. Thanks for sharing.
SR5, Limited, and Pro wheels are 7" width. TRD Offroad wheels are 7.5" width. The wheels in this video are the TRD Offroad wheels.
Any vibrations or balancing issues with the 285 tires?
I have not noticed any vibration or balancing issue. As long as you get an alignment when the tires are installed, I feel as though there shouldn't be any issues.
Where do you put the larger size spare tire?
The larger 285 tire still fits under the spare tire housing.
Have you put the new wheels on yet?
Yes. Check out my instagram @sicrunner
@@francisngo get pics on Instagram! I’m thinking about keeping my factory wheels and doing a 3” lift with 285s. Is there are issues under full compression?
@@TH-camMaster1611 No issues so far. You may still need to do some cutting and potentially BMC if you go with just a 3" on 285s. I've had issues when making a U-turn going down hill or coming out of a high sloped drive way. Ended up doing a BMC. I don't have any rubbing what so ever.
@@TH-camMaster1611 IG is in the description
What window visors are those ?
They are AVS in channel visors
did your mpg went down?
Did you do this on a stock 4Runner?
Yes. I bought the car brand new and started to modify it within the first year.
@@francisngo thanks! I have a 2010 Trail……will I be able to daily drive (no off-roading) w 285s? I’m planning on adding a lift soon.
@@dp1643 Mine is a daily driver. With the 285s, I saw a decrease of 1-2 MPG from factory. With a rooftop tent and storage box on top, I get about 12-14 city, 14-16 highway nowadays.
@@francisngo and this is with no lift? Will I be able to daily drive without cutting or removing the mud flaps?
@@dp1643 Every 4Runner will be different. I recommend if you decide to get 285s, to get them and drive around. If it runs then do the trimming. Drive again and and check to see if you’re running anywhere and trim accordingly. All in all, I recommend getting body mount chop to have a peace of mind. I was able to drive with no rubbing but the moment I made a tight U-turn, I rubbed hard especially when the U-turn is downhill so I went for the chop and trimmed more.
If you are only daily driving, I would consider keeping 265 or going up to 275. But like mentioned earlier, some 4Runners will still rub with even 275 size tires due to alignment so it’s trial and error.
Nice Vid Francis,what are the Yellow fog lights? Are those a Factory option...
Thanks! They are Diode Dynamics SS3 Fog Lights (Pro)
Seems too much work and sacrifice. If I want to get only 1" lift, I'd go with 255 80. Better MPG, cheaper, lighter, no hassle, no modif
I have seen charts say the 255/75/17 will fit, no mods. But that when you go to the 80, you'd need spacers, a lift, or something.
@@cra2cra226 75 it is
Did you have any balancing issues?
No balancing issues
What Psi front and back tire?
275 70 17 my car is Colorado
Air anywhere psi?
I just wonder why people don’t run 275 70 17R they fit and are only 1/2 inch shorter so you lose 1/4 ground. Clearance. No big deal IMHO
I'm looking into the 275, but I found only a few tire manufacturers make 275 70 r17.
275/70r17’s don’t have many options out there
If your tire is 2 inches bigger then you gained 1 inch of ground clearance.
This is a great video!
Are you lifted or leveled at all?
At the time of this video, it was not lifted or leveled.
"if youre going to be turning..."
.... Anybody out there manage to avoid turning? 😂
Yeah don’t we all take our 4WD 4runner to a quarter mile race? 😆
What trimming tool is that?
It is a hook razor blade - can be found next to box cutters at home depot
Do you have a lift?
A lift can actually make fitting bigger tires worse, your narrowing your wheel track.
How much lift is in the front and back?
I haven't measured but as of this time of video, the lift was around 2.5 in the front and 2 in the back. I know this because the ICON rear springs gives it a 2" lift and the 4Runner was leveled leaving me to believe the front coilovers were set at 2.5". Since then, my rear is now 3" with a forward rake. Looking to go to a shop and lift the front to 3 or 3.5"
@@francisngo I installed a Dobbinsons 2.5/1.5 lift. I noticed that the rear went higher than 1.5 but more so about 2’ which left a little more rake than I wanted. For me to go from 2.5 front to 3’ what would be the best way? I really don’t want to have to buy new springs.
Huh? Tire size increase by 2 inches does not increase ground clearance by 2 inches. Tires are round so ground clearance increased by 1 inch.
Just curious why you're talking about how the width of the tire (265 vs 285) gave you additional ground clearance. The width of the tire has nothing to do with that.
I said 265 and 285 to differ the difference between the stock tire size and the new tires that I bought. I could say 285/70R/17 and 265/70R/17 but I felt it was too redundant. Furthermore, I made a mistake by saying the new tires give 2" ground clearance, when I meant 1"
It actually does. Use a tire size calculator, found online and compare the 265 to 285.
Hi, does the 285 fit in the spare tire well or does it hang lower?
do you have a lift on this truck?
In this video, no but I currently run a Icon stage 7 kit now.
285 is width not height and has nothing to do with your clearance. How is this still getting messed up
when I said I went two sizes up, I didn't mean I gained two inches. Based on the comments though, I did make a simple math error by thinking I gained 2" but in reality only gained 1" of ground clearance.
Yes, a 255 80 17 would be taller and require no modifications. Going strictly for looks is for women.
The 285 definitely plays a role in height because the 70 is a ratio of the 285. 285 is taller than 275. Look up the definition of the middle number in 285/70/17
So no BMC For 285?
I would say you would still need it if you plan to do some off roading and aren't on full lock turns all too often or don't mind if there is a little rubbing with the KO2s and stock TRD wheels. If you go with bigger wheels, it will likely begin rubbing.
Is this stock height with no mods??
Yes stock height and suspension at the time.
275’s can rub. Mine do.
How much lift is needed to clear 275's..?
@@karkule5919 Don’t know. Mine rub with the TRD wheels. KO2s
Mall crawler rub? Wgaf?
How about full compression and steering wheel lock?
Do you know what is the weight difference between the (D) load rating and the (C) load rating??? unless you're rock crawling you really don't need the "D" load it's a fcuking weight-hog!
I agree. With everything that I am doing (moderate off-roading, camping with roof top tent weight) load c is just enough. Anything more would be overkill for me. Thanks for watching!
Is re-gear required installing 285x70x17 on a 4 runner?
Nope. You do not need to re-gear for 285/70r17 tires
Only gained 1 inch not 2 nice 4runner
Yes I've learned that after making this video. Appreciate the watch.
Did you lift it?
I was wondering the same thing!
No power? You have a plug in the vehicle lol
Going to a low load range removes a lot of strength and ability to deal with heat and load.. not smart
Another mistake I had in the video - I mentioned I went with load range of C when my purchase history shows it was E. Regardless, I think load range of C would still be good enough as I don't carry a lot or have aftermarket bumpers. Stock Jeeps Wranglers do come with 285 tires with a load range of C
LMFAO
you lie