As a professional designer...super appreciative of your personal experience with these products..as I spec them out in my designs....always listen to those in the field actually using them.....love all three brands...very informative and helpful...
Thank you for the in-depth details on how the Blums work -- they have frustratingly little information on their own site. Also thank you for using a stabilizer, this video is so much more comfortable to watch than most!
Hi Alistair. I'm trying to decide between Hafele and Sugatsune bifold pocket door hinges for the kitchen. The latter seem much more affordable. Do you have thoughts?
Hi I suggest you consult both company’s technical departments and describe your exact usage - door weight and size etc. See what they advise. You may find there is a hidden benefit to one or the other that wasn’t immediately apparent. Both have technical departments who are happy to receive emailed images and give advice over the phone - find details online
Thanks for your video, here in Chile we have Hettich Sensys and Blum Blumotion available from two importers. Watching yout video was very helpful as I selected Hettich which was considerably cheaper without any regrets. Very easy to install with the BlueJig tool. Thanks again and keep the good work!
Hi. Really helpful. Do you know which brand/model allows for biggest adjustment range. Especially door height adjustment. It's so annoying if you need to re drill new holes to get extra couple mm of aligning. Many thanks 🙏
Hi as far as I'm aware they all have 2mm up or down vertical adjustment on the mounting plates (4mm total travel) though I can't say for 100% sure. You will find this information in their technical documentation. One thing to be aware of with the Sugatsune OIympia hinges though is that the side to side adjustment on the door (ie left or right movement of the door as you look at it from the front) is unusual - from the factory they come set at a maximum adjustment position towards the cabinet side, with adjustment moving the door inwards to the cabinet. Other hinges come from the factory at a sort of central zero position with adjustment possible about 2mm either left or right. For the blum this zero position places the door 16mm overlaying the carcase, which is usually about right for us (though this varies depending on the distance that the 35mm cup hole was drilled from the edge of the door - we place them 5mm from the edge); whereas the olympia hinges land at 18mm overlay prior to adjustment. When fitting lots of doors, this means that blum hinges place the doors in the correct position with minimal adjustment required, whereas with the sugatsune olympia hinges every door has to be adjusted in to avoid fouling, and this is a bit annoying. I think the reason for this is that 20mm board thickness is common in japan (so an 18mm overlay is desirable)
Great comparison! As you know I use the grass brand. I have actually switched to the Tiomos line, which is also has a soft close option. I have looked at the Sugatsune hinge in there catalog so it was good to see them up close. I buy my knock in shelf standards from Sugatsune. Also I tried the dowelled hinges and not a big fan as of now. They would be perfect for you though seeing how you use allot of MDF. The holding power is great. I'm going to start to use tool less hinges.
Brian Needham is Tiomos made by Grass or a Hafele own brand? I did try them once; similar to the Hettich I thought but I think they were pretty expensive and even bulkier.
Thanks for great share. Btw do you know inside of Hettich's catalog you can find hinge with cup's drilling patterns of blum? Those hinges come with code TB left side of the pages.
I got a bit confused when editing up the video in a rush, thought I’d never turned the Blum soft close back on and made a note to that effect... but turns out I did!
Hi Alastair, I have purchased blum hinges and they did not come with screws for the cup side of the hinge. I have struggled to find nickle plated screws. Do you buy your screws direct? or could you point me in the right direction to purchase. Many thanks Jonathon
iBuild Interiors hi Jonathon we buy most of our hardware mail order from Hart Wholesale down in Essex(mainly because they are a single supplier who do both Blum and Hafele products). We use 17mm ‘Hospa’ screws from Hafele. I think they are these ones linked, although I must say that I find the Hafele site strange sometimes, hard to find things that should be easy to find! www.hafele.co.uk/en/product/hospa-screw-chipboard-countersunk-head-with-pz-cross-slot-fully-threaded-steel/01535646/?MasterSKU=00000001000020a300010023
If the hettich ones stop working, can they be repaired or do they have to be replaced? They are very difficult to find now, and I dont want to replace the whole system for a couple that wont work. Also does Hettich have adjustable feature to turn on and off. Thanks
Hi, Hettich quality seems really good to me, and you very rarely hear about hinges like these breaking unless misused. It's a shame they don't seem the easiest brand to get hold of. The soft close can be turned off on their sensye hinges, but the magic of them is they seem to work fine for any door weight, better than the blum ones do
@@Alastair_Freebird tell me one thing sir if we kept aside closing action of hinges means if closing action does not matter Then which hinges is good blumotion or hettich quality of which hinges is best Tell me rating between blumotion or hettich Which is on 1st or 2nd according to you
@@vickygupta1174 both are very good. But I have been using Sugatsune more since this video and I am actually starting to like THEM best!!! because: multi stage damper. screw hole position integrated into mounting plate for the purpose of joining adjacent carcases. superior opening angle limiter insert (clips into the hinge so you can preload it, unlike the Blum one). Superior engagement mechanism between hinge and mounting plate which makes mounting tall doors easier.
Which of these work to soft close the door if you don't open the door fully? I've found there are some on the market which only do the soft close once you open them at least 30 degrees or more. So I'm interested in something which has soft close that works even with an opening of 10 degrees let's say. Thanks for your time.
I do remember hearing about activation angles and 30degrees sounds familiar . I’m not sure if or how much that varies between brands but their technical departments could probably tell you. I imagine it has to open so far to reactivate the mechanism before it will dampen again on closure.
Hi Alastair. I use Hettich. Have you ever seen the Hettich Catalogue? It is huge (3000 pages +) and full of really valuable information. Also - the sensys range is done in black now. David
Hi David yes I have it on my shelf! I love Hettich products. As I may have said in this video, I think the Sensys hinge is the best soft close hinge available. I didn't know they did it in black! I decided to stick with Blum mainly for easy availability of their products, combined with them also being quality products.
@@dpepke That's interesting. Remind me where you are based? Is it Denmark? I think we connected on instagram first right? And is Hettich German, whereas Blum is Austrian?
@@Alastair_Freebird yeah, we talked on Instagram. And yes I'm in Denmark. And yes, hettich is german. There is a local dealer of blum in Denmark, but hettich is carried in a few stores, so some things are possible to get in a pinch. I usually order in bulk, so I always carry spares though - except for special door system and such. Häfele have black hinges too - and I think that blum do too. Much better look on both painted doors and oak - in my opinion.
Thanks for a great video. I have worked for both companies and they are both engineered slightly different but both are absolutely amazing in their own right. Hettich Being German, they are extremely good at engineering and providing technical data and information. Hettich Sensys hinge uses a real dampener behind the arm which assists with small to large heavy doors without a worry of adjustment on the silent system. No turning on and off. The dampener adjusts its self to the size and weight of door. The hinge is also slightly heavier with thicker steel and slightly bulkier design with great adjustment. The silent system engages at 35 degrees at closing doors which results in only needing a gentle push to close the door and the silent system catches nice and early. Sensys hinge also operates perfectly in +5 to +40 degrees in hot or cold environments/ kitchens. Blumotion hinge the blumotion hinge designed with a spring loaded soft close system designed into the cup of the hinge. (Not a dampener)Brilliant design giving the user the option to turn off and on the blumotion and adjust the soft close according to the size and weight of door. Sleek smaller design hinge with great adjustments. The blumotion engages closing doors at 22 degrees. The temperature which the hinge has been tested to work in is unknown to me and unfortunately there are not a lot of data on this. Blum being such highly trusted brand probably sees no reason. I wish I could explain the blumotion a little better but sometimes less is more. Both hinges are available in chrome steel plated and dark colour for wood grain and dark cabinets. Hettich calls it Obsidian. Blum calls it Onyx. Both available with cross mounting and inline plate. Both are excellent and amazing to work with. In my opinion what makes a great hinge system is also the variety of angles and different applications available like 15, 30, 45, blind corner, zero protrusion, thick and thin doors. This is what separates Hettich and Blum from the rest. Both carry a lifetime of the furniture warranty and I have certainly helped both brands with warranty claims as both are also none rust proof. Hope this helps guys.
Yes they do, like blum, hettich does it with one excentric screw too if you got the right plate. Hettich has more power in closing the door in every adjustment so I choose Hettich. Blum must be drilled 13.5, Hettich 12.8mm. I also use crossplate 8099, the nylon 5mm are inline but the screws are +&- 2.5mm out of line from the 37mm, so you can put two plates on each side and the screws are not touching. Good thinking by Hettich. Salice, from Häfele has variable soft close too
Very interesting comparison. We are distributor of Grass and Sugatsune fittings in Poland. I wonder, where would you rank these three producers after one year from recording this video if you will add Tiomos from Grass? Once again. Beautiful job. I discovered your videos by accident because I was looking for something Sugastune that would help me to menage our website, but I will definitely come back on this channel.
Hi! I used to use a lot of the basic Grass hinges. I have only used the Tiomos once. They seems quite fancy, seemed a bit big and bulky though. They have a little lever on the arm for soft close change is that right? Or maybe I’m thinking about a different one. I’m sure they can from Hafele though. I still think Hettich Sensys have the best soft close
Hi you can order Hettich hinges with the Blum drilling pattern, try talking the Emma in sales at NEY they do the full range and next day delivery to tell Jon form Jon Joseph interiors gave the info really helpful at
Great video as usual. I’m no professional but I’m planning to make a fitted storage unit that will look like a modern panel wall where I’ll have to put big doors of around 1800x700 made of mr mdf 18mm with panels of about 12mm. What would be a recommendation of concealed hinges for such heavy doors? I see a lot of projects like this with modern layouts in other countries but it's been hard to see some examples here in the UK. Thanks in advance and forgive my ignorance.
Douglas Lopes I’d probably go up to 22mm to reduce possible bending on a wide door like that. But you might manage with 18mm. You could fit a lot of standard Blum overlay hinges - 4 or 5, but they usually recommend up to only 600mm door width. So you could step up to an oversize concealer hinge like the ones Sugatsune do
Hi, this is the video I have been looking for quite some time. Thank you for publishing. I have a follow-up question: I have about 4 different kitchens I would like to upgrade by adding a soft-close mechanism to. However, since they have not been made by the same manufacturer (neither are the hinges a known brand), I doubt all of the hinges are the same dimensions, so in order to add a soft close mechanism, I would prefer to add an external piston of some kind (some are even made by Blum). My question is: Have you noticed any difference in terms of reliability and how well an external piston holds up compared to these hinges with the soft close being integrated? To my understanding, the pistons use air to dampen the force, but I doubt these hinges would use air - maybe a string of some kind. Thank you
Miroslav Peška I don’t think you will get a good result with pistons and If you are going to do it at all I would recommend swapping out the hinges for ones with integrated soft close. I tried those pistons once and they were terrible. Admittedly they weren’t the Blum ones but one thing I can say for sure is the results will be poor if you put a piston on the opening side of the door - a proper soft close action would need to start activating long before the door swings so near to the closed position. If a general purpose piston is available that can be mounted on the hinge side that could work (like the clip on ones made for certain hinges) but again I would recommend just swapping out the hinges for ones with integrated soft close! Or possibly sourcing the clip on dampeners for each of the 3 brands. It will be a question of how much do you value your time vs just spending a bit more money and getting a better result!
@@Alastair_Freebird Just so you know, I contacted Hettich and just got a response. The technician said that the Screw On Hettich Damper (60579) works, but mainly on heavy doors, and that the adjuster does not do much for light doors. Also, since it is not integrated in the hinge, there are external forces pushing the hinge out of the wood when closing. The integrated soft close in the Sensys hinges is oil-based and the internal design is not the same as the one in the external dampers (which I was told have been discontinued - although you can still find them in my country). The only time they would recommend to use an external damper is when it is not possible to replace the whole hinge, just as you said.
You may be interested in another video I will be releasing shortly looking in more detail at the Sugatsune range of hinges. I wonder can you buy them over there?
Stuart Cairnie I’m paying £1.69 ex vat each for the Blumotion blum hinges shown, from Hart Wholesale (HI71B3550). I haven’t actually bought the Hettich Sensys in some time (had some old ones in stock) and I haven’t had a quoted price yet on the Sugatsune Olympia hinge as I received those as samples, but was told they would compete with Blum.
Hi. Good comparison thanks for taking the time to do it. One thing though, didn't your customer mind having different hinges on their new cupboard doors? That would mess with my OCD!!
Possibly it was a bit cheeky of me to do that!! It has been my observation that most customers hardly think about such details, at least not if the different hinges are adjacent. And I knew all hinges were high quality. In fact I have been amazed at how little I myself sometimes notice such things in furniture I use daily at home that has always been there; until I am thinking about the particular issue because of a project I'm working on at the time.
@@Alastair_Freebird I have an eye for detail that everyone else probably doesn't have. Re the hinges I'll stick with Blum for the projects I have planned. Would you recommend the ecodrill?
Gareth Collins the ecodrill has one idiotic design flaw - no extraction port. I keep meaning to drill a hole in the side like others do to receive the vac but haven’t got round to it yet (it’s a hard metal body). It’s also difficult to set and adjust the drilling depth - 2 very flat locking nuts that can’t be accessed with a normal spanner!! So it may be worth looking at other ones on the market... I know Hettich do one (but then the screw hole marks would be in the wrong place for Blum!)
I’m very interested in the Sugatsune hinge, I may give this a try if I can get hold of them, just looking at the wardrobes again, are you building your carcasses with birch ply now.
Nicholas Fox you mean a wider range of hinge types like inset, half overlay, different angles? I don’t know for sure how the range compares. My personal opinion is that Hettich’s soft close mechanism is the best on the market because it adapts somehow to any door weight. It’s easy, reliable and silent. I haven’t seen a better one, but I accept that other fitters will consider adjustability etc a plus point, and I wasn’t commenting on the range available.
Thanks for your video, here in Chile we have Hettich Sensys and Blum Blumotion available from two importers. Watching yout video was very helpful as I selected Hettich which was considerably cheaper without any regrets. Very easy to install with the BlueJig tool. Thanks again and keep the good work!
Late reply, but as a fitter I absolutely hate Hettich hinges. Doors only go on when the hinge screw is fully undone. This means if you put the door on, adjust it, but then have to take it off again. The WHOLE damn thing will need adjusting again because it won’t go back on. One of the only brands that do this and it’s so frustrating. Blum all the way for me, they’re so far ahead of all the competition imo
Hi Alastair, I have purchased blum hinges and they did not come with screws for the cup side of the hinge. I have struggled to find nickle plated screws. Do you buy your screws direct? or could you point me in the right direction to purchase. Many thanks Jonathon
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Literally love watching these videos! I must be sad, I’m a chippy all day at work then I come home and watch someone else do it 😂
Well I’m glad you like them!!
As a professional designer...super appreciative of your personal experience with these products..as I spec them out in my designs....always listen to those in the field actually using them.....love all three brands...very informative and helpful...
It’s nice to hear that feedback thanks!
Excellent video. Been trying to decide what to buy to replace our cabinet hinges and this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Subscribed. Thanks!
Thank you for the in-depth details on how the Blums work -- they have frustratingly little information on their own site. Also thank you for using a stabilizer, this video is so much more comfortable to watch than most!
Craig Kovatch you’re welcome I appreciate the comments!
Hi Alistair. I'm trying to decide between Hafele and Sugatsune bifold pocket door hinges for the kitchen. The latter seem much more affordable. Do you have thoughts?
Hi I suggest you consult both company’s technical departments and describe your exact usage - door weight and size etc. See what they advise. You may find there is a hidden benefit to one or the other that wasn’t immediately apparent. Both have technical departments who are happy to receive emailed images and give advice over the phone - find details online
In always uses the Hettich. About the sizes compared to the Blum. Hettich also has there system with the Blum size. The sliders are called Arcitech.
Thanks. Someone else did tell me it's possible to get a hettich cup fitting with the blum spacing.
Thanks for your video, here in Chile we have Hettich Sensys and Blum Blumotion available from two importers. Watching yout video was very helpful as I selected Hettich which was considerably cheaper without any regrets. Very easy to install with the BlueJig tool. Thanks again and keep the good work!
Hi. Really helpful. Do you know which brand/model allows for biggest adjustment range. Especially door height adjustment. It's so annoying if you need to re drill new holes to get extra couple mm of aligning. Many thanks 🙏
Hi as far as I'm aware they all have 2mm up or down vertical adjustment on the mounting plates (4mm total travel) though I can't say for 100% sure. You will find this information in their technical documentation. One thing to be aware of with the Sugatsune OIympia hinges though is that the side to side adjustment on the door (ie left or right movement of the door as you look at it from the front) is unusual - from the factory they come set at a maximum adjustment position towards the cabinet side, with adjustment moving the door inwards to the cabinet. Other hinges come from the factory at a sort of central zero position with adjustment possible about 2mm either left or right. For the blum this zero position places the door 16mm overlaying the carcase, which is usually about right for us (though this varies depending on the distance that the 35mm cup hole was drilled from the edge of the door - we place them 5mm from the edge); whereas the olympia hinges land at 18mm overlay prior to adjustment. When fitting lots of doors, this means that blum hinges place the doors in the correct position with minimal adjustment required, whereas with the sugatsune olympia hinges every door has to be adjusted in to avoid fouling, and this is a bit annoying. I think the reason for this is that 20mm board thickness is common in japan (so an 18mm overlay is desirable)
Great analysis.
Great comparison! As you know I use the grass brand. I have actually switched to the Tiomos line, which is also has a soft close option. I have looked at the Sugatsune hinge in there catalog so it was good to see them up close. I buy my knock in shelf standards from Sugatsune. Also I tried the dowelled hinges and not a big fan as of now. They would be perfect for you though seeing how you use allot of MDF. The holding power is great. I'm going to start to use tool less hinges.
Brian Needham is Tiomos made by Grass or a Hafele own brand? I did try them once; similar to the Hettich I thought but I think they were pretty expensive and even bulkier.
@@Alastair_Freebird yes it's made by Grass.
Thanks for great share. Btw do you know inside of Hettich's catalog you can find hinge with cup's drilling patterns of blum? Those hinges come with code TB left side of the pages.
Hi this has been mentioned to me, I still haven’t broken the Blum habit but it’s good to know I could order the Blum pattern from Hettich. Thanks
I got a bit confused when editing up the video in a rush, thought I’d never turned the Blum soft close back on and made a note to that effect... but turns out I did!
Hi Alastair, I have purchased blum hinges and they did not come with screws for the cup side of the hinge. I have struggled to find nickle plated screws. Do you buy your screws direct? or could you point me in the right direction to purchase. Many thanks Jonathon
iBuild Interiors hi Jonathon we buy most of our hardware mail order from Hart Wholesale down in Essex(mainly because they are a single supplier who do both Blum and Hafele products). We use 17mm ‘Hospa’ screws from Hafele. I think they are these ones linked, although I must say that I find the Hafele site strange sometimes, hard to find things that should be easy to find! www.hafele.co.uk/en/product/hospa-screw-chipboard-countersunk-head-with-pz-cross-slot-fully-threaded-steel/01535646/?MasterSKU=00000001000020a300010023
If the hettich ones stop working, can they be repaired or do they have to be replaced? They are very difficult to find now, and I dont want to replace the whole system for a couple that wont work. Also does Hettich have adjustable feature to turn on and off.
Thanks
Hi, Hettich quality seems really good to me, and you very rarely hear about hinges like these breaking unless misused. It's a shame they don't seem the easiest brand to get hold of. The soft close can be turned off on their sensye hinges, but the magic of them is they seem to work fine for any door weight, better than the blum ones do
Sir, in your opinion which is the best for kitchen cabinet
Blum or hettich?
Blum mechanism or hettich mechanism?
Hettich because it always feels soft and smooth regardless of the door size
@@Alastair_Freebird my kitchen cabinet door size is 40 inch length and 20 inch width
Whatever the size, the Hettich soft close mechanism gives a nice closing action
@@Alastair_Freebird tell me one thing sir if we kept aside closing action of hinges means if closing action does not matter
Then which hinges is good blumotion or hettich quality of which hinges is best
Tell me rating between blumotion or hettich
Which is on 1st or 2nd according to you
@@vickygupta1174 both are very good. But I have been using Sugatsune more since this video and I am actually starting to like THEM best!!! because: multi stage damper. screw hole position integrated into mounting plate for the purpose of joining adjacent carcases. superior opening angle limiter insert (clips into the hinge so you can preload it, unlike the Blum one). Superior engagement mechanism between hinge and mounting plate which makes mounting tall doors easier.
Which of these work to soft close the door if you don't open the door fully? I've found there are some on the market which only do the soft close once you open them at least 30 degrees or more. So I'm interested in something which has soft close that works even with an opening of 10 degrees let's say. Thanks for your time.
I do remember hearing about activation angles and 30degrees sounds familiar . I’m not sure if or how much that varies between brands but their technical departments could probably tell you. I imagine it has to open so far to reactivate the mechanism before it will dampen again on closure.
Hi Alastair. I use Hettich. Have you ever seen the Hettich Catalogue? It is huge (3000 pages +) and full of really valuable information. Also - the sensys range is done in black now. David
Hi David yes I have it on my shelf! I love Hettich products. As I may have said in this video, I think the Sensys hinge is the best soft close hinge available. I didn't know they did it in black! I decided to stick with Blum mainly for easy availability of their products, combined with them also being quality products.
@@Alastair_Freebird yeah - I get that. Blum is not readily available here while hettich is somewhat easy to get. It's all about systems, right?
@@dpepke That's interesting. Remind me where you are based? Is it Denmark? I think we connected on instagram first right? And is Hettich German, whereas Blum is Austrian?
@@Alastair_Freebird yeah, we talked on Instagram. And yes I'm in Denmark. And yes, hettich is german. There is a local dealer of blum in Denmark, but hettich is carried in a few stores, so some things are possible to get in a pinch. I usually order in bulk, so I always carry spares though - except for special door system and such.
Häfele have black hinges too - and I think that blum do too. Much better look on both painted doors and oak - in my opinion.
Thanks for a great video. I have worked for both companies and they are both engineered slightly different but both are absolutely amazing in their own right.
Hettich
Being German, they are extremely good at engineering and providing technical data and information.
Hettich Sensys hinge uses a real dampener behind the arm which assists with small to large heavy doors without a worry of adjustment on the silent system. No turning on and off. The dampener adjusts its self to the size and weight of door. The hinge is also slightly heavier with thicker steel and slightly bulkier design with great adjustment.
The silent system engages at 35 degrees at closing doors which results in only needing a gentle push to close the door and the silent system catches nice and early.
Sensys hinge also operates perfectly in +5 to +40 degrees in hot or cold environments/ kitchens.
Blumotion hinge
the blumotion hinge designed with a spring loaded soft close system designed into the cup of the hinge. (Not a dampener)Brilliant design giving the user the option to turn off and on the blumotion and adjust the soft close according to the size and weight of door. Sleek smaller design hinge with great adjustments.
The blumotion engages closing doors at 22 degrees.
The temperature which the hinge has been tested to work in is unknown to me and unfortunately there are not a lot of data on this.
Blum being such highly trusted brand probably sees no reason. I wish I could explain the blumotion a little better but sometimes less is more.
Both hinges are available in chrome steel plated and dark colour for wood grain and dark cabinets. Hettich calls it Obsidian.
Blum calls it Onyx.
Both available with cross mounting and inline plate.
Both are excellent and amazing to work with.
In my opinion what makes a great hinge system is also the variety of angles and different applications available like 15, 30, 45, blind corner, zero protrusion, thick and thin doors. This is what separates Hettich and Blum from the rest.
Both carry a lifetime of the furniture warranty and I have certainly helped both brands with warranty claims as both are also none rust proof.
Hope this helps guys.
Very educational and interesting, thanks!
Robert Hatcher thanks for taking the time to comment 👍
I'm doing my house and it's blum all the way from kitchen to bedroom
Not a bad choice
@@Alastair_Freebird where i live, it's that or chineese made
Haflele do the up and down adjustment with a screw. That’s why I like them
On the mounting plate? To be fair I think most brands do have a mounting plate option like that
Yes they do, like blum, hettich does it with one excentric screw too if you got the right plate.
Hettich has more power in closing the door in every adjustment so I choose Hettich.
Blum must be drilled 13.5, Hettich 12.8mm.
I also use crossplate 8099, the nylon 5mm are inline but the screws are +&- 2.5mm out of line from the 37mm, so you can put two plates on each side and the screws are not touching. Good thinking by Hettich.
Salice, from Häfele has variable soft close too
Very interesting comparison. We are distributor of Grass and Sugatsune fittings in Poland. I wonder, where would you rank these three producers after one year from recording this video if you will add Tiomos from Grass?
Once again. Beautiful job. I discovered your videos by accident because I was looking for something Sugastune that would help me to menage our website, but I will definitely come back on this channel.
Hi! I used to use a lot of the basic Grass hinges. I have only used the Tiomos once. They seems quite fancy, seemed a bit big and bulky though. They have a little lever on the arm for soft close change is that right? Or maybe I’m thinking about a different one. I’m sure they can from Hafele though. I still think Hettich Sensys have the best soft close
Hi you can order Hettich hinges with the Blum drilling pattern, try talking the Emma in sales at NEY they do the full range and next day delivery to tell Jon form Jon Joseph interiors gave the info really helpful at
Thanks for that Job, I have been told that but never got round to trying them!
Great video as usual. I’m no professional but I’m planning to make a fitted storage unit that will look like a modern panel wall where I’ll have to put big doors of around 1800x700 made of mr mdf 18mm with panels of about 12mm. What would be a recommendation of concealed hinges for such heavy doors?
I see a lot of projects like this with modern layouts in other countries but it's been hard to see some examples here in the UK.
Thanks in advance and forgive my ignorance.
Douglas Lopes I’d probably go up to 22mm to reduce possible bending on a wide door like that. But you might manage with 18mm. You could fit a lot of standard Blum overlay hinges - 4 or 5, but they usually recommend up to only 600mm door width. So you could step up to an oversize concealer hinge like the ones Sugatsune do
See this video from 14:55 th-cam.com/video/R7xh2F-UHxY/w-d-xo.html
Very nice demonstration and comparison
Lee James glad you liked it, thanks
I always thought the position of those holes were a standard, and not manufacturer specific :o
Daniel Coates it is a shame they’re not! But I have been told Hettich can provide a Blum pattern option
Blum have screw covers for both door and cupboard sides
Thanks 👍
These are awesome
Thank you for explaining
David Grider you’re welcome
Hi,
this is the video I have been looking for quite some time. Thank you for publishing.
I have a follow-up question:
I have about 4 different kitchens I would like to upgrade by adding a soft-close mechanism to. However, since they have not been made by the same manufacturer (neither are the hinges a known brand), I doubt all of the hinges are the same dimensions, so in order to add a soft close mechanism, I would prefer to add an external piston of some kind (some are even made by Blum).
My question is: Have you noticed any difference in terms of reliability and how well an external piston holds up compared to these hinges with the soft close being integrated? To my understanding, the pistons use air to dampen the force, but I doubt these hinges would use air - maybe a string of some kind.
Thank you
Miroslav Peška I don’t think you will get a good result with pistons and If you are going to do it at all I would recommend swapping out the hinges for ones with integrated soft close. I tried those pistons once and they were terrible. Admittedly they weren’t the Blum ones but one thing I can say for sure is the results will be poor if you put a piston on the opening side of the door - a proper soft close action would need to start activating long before the door swings so near to the closed position. If a general purpose piston is available that can be mounted on the hinge side that could work (like the clip on ones made for certain hinges) but again I would recommend just swapping out the hinges for ones with integrated soft close! Or possibly sourcing the clip on dampeners for each of the 3 brands. It will be a question of how much do you value your time vs just spending a bit more money and getting a better result!
@@Alastair_Freebird I see your point. Thank you for your response and best wishes from the Czech Republic!
@@Alastair_Freebird Just so you know, I contacted Hettich and just got a response. The technician said that the Screw On Hettich Damper (60579) works, but mainly on heavy doors, and that the adjuster does not do much for light doors. Also, since it is not integrated in the hinge, there are external forces pushing the hinge out of the wood when closing. The integrated soft close in the Sensys hinges is oil-based and the internal design is not the same as the one in the external dampers (which I was told have been discontinued - although you can still find them in my country).
The only time they would recommend to use an external damper is when it is not possible to replace the whole hinge, just as you said.
Miroslav Peška I appreciate you feeding that back to me, it’s all interesting to hear 👍
You may be interested in another video I will be releasing shortly looking in more detail at the Sugatsune range of hinges. I wonder can you buy them over there?
Hi, great video, just wondering how they all compare cost wise?
Stuart Cairnie I’m paying £1.69 ex vat each for the Blumotion blum hinges shown, from Hart Wholesale (HI71B3550). I haven’t actually bought the Hettich Sensys in some time (had some old ones in stock) and I haven’t had a quoted price yet on the Sugatsune Olympia hinge as I received those as samples, but was told they would compete with Blum.
@@Alastair_Freebird Thanks for the reply.
Hi. Good comparison thanks for taking the time to do it.
One thing though, didn't your customer mind having different hinges on their new cupboard doors? That would mess with my OCD!!
Possibly it was a bit cheeky of me to do that!! It has been my observation that most customers hardly think about such details, at least not if the different hinges are adjacent. And I knew all hinges were high quality. In fact I have been amazed at how little I myself sometimes notice such things in furniture I use daily at home that has always been there; until I am thinking about the particular issue because of a project I'm working on at the time.
@@Alastair_Freebird I have an eye for detail that everyone else probably doesn't have. Re the hinges I'll stick with Blum for the projects I have planned. Would you recommend the ecodrill?
Gareth Collins the ecodrill has one idiotic design flaw - no extraction port. I keep meaning to drill a hole in the side like others do to receive the vac but haven’t got round to it yet (it’s a hard metal body). It’s also difficult to set and adjust the drilling depth - 2 very flat locking nuts that can’t be accessed with a normal spanner!! So it may be worth looking at other ones on the market... I know Hettich do one (but then the screw hole marks would be in the wrong place for Blum!)
@@Alastair_Freebird ok thanks, I'll look into further. 🤔
Thanks...Very helpful indeed!!!
DE S I’m glad you liked it!
I’m very interested in the Sugatsune hinge, I may give this a try if I can get hold of them, just looking at the wardrobes again, are you building your carcasses with birch ply now.
Des Brown I generally avoid using MDF now wherever I’m fixing a hinge, so I use Birch ply instead
Blum make a range of this type of hinge so it may be stretching the point to say that Hettich is the best.
Nicholas Fox you mean a wider range of hinge types like inset, half overlay, different angles? I don’t know for sure how the range compares. My personal opinion is that Hettich’s soft close mechanism is the best on the market because it adapts somehow to any door weight. It’s easy, reliable and silent. I haven’t seen a better one, but I accept that other fitters will consider adjustability etc a plus point, and I wasn’t commenting on the range available.
Pronounced Blaahm or Bloom?
Actually probably Bloom really
I was talking with my Blum representative and he gently corrected me and said it’s like flowers in May-“bloom.” 🌸
@@WelshRabbit OK, old habits may die hard though!
Ask your hettich supplier for blum pattern I use them in Ireland
Chris Doyle oh really - they have a Blum pattern hinge boss option??
Freebird Interiors they do I’ll get the product code for you tomorrow when I’m nun work
Chris Doyle thanks please do, others will be able to refer to it here too 👍
Freebird Interiors 9073570 is the code I use to order them
Chris Doyle thanks for that
These probably cost a lot more.Bottom line
Yes not the cheapest
Thanks for your video, here in Chile we have Hettich Sensys and Blum Blumotion available from two importers. Watching yout video was very helpful as I selected Hettich which was considerably cheaper without any regrets. Very easy to install with the BlueJig tool. Thanks again and keep the good work!
Late reply, but as a fitter I absolutely hate Hettich hinges. Doors only go on when the hinge screw is fully undone. This means if you put the door on, adjust it, but then have to take it off again. The WHOLE damn thing will need adjusting again because it won’t go back on. One of the only brands that do this and it’s so frustrating. Blum all the way for me, they’re so far ahead of all the competition imo
Hi Alastair, I have purchased blum hinges and they did not come with screws for the cup side of the hinge. I have struggled to find nickle plated screws. Do you buy your screws direct? or could you point me in the right direction to purchase. Many thanks Jonathon