House of the Dragon Family Tree
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One more comment, the Targaryens didn't become kings of the Rhoynar until Daeron II merged them into the kingdom, some 5 generations after Viserys.
*was gonna ask, but of course youre already on it!* beautiful. also, rings of power: under what circumstances is a queen a "queen regent"? bc she dont have no kid (& in the bks is never queen...& not black. & not just a little not black, story relevant & well described). just wondering how bad they are messing things up. gr8 vid. -JC
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Interesting stuff 🤔
Could you pleeeasse do a family tree based off of the time travel series "Dark?" It's confusing AF! Danke
BTW in the books Alicent was way older and Rhaenyra was younger.
Also, it wasn't a choice between saving the mother or the baby. It was a choice between trying to save the baby, or let them both die.
Yeah, and Viserys was a lot younger, only about 30. Paddy Constantine is great as an actor, but I wish he could have been closer in age to Alicent (age 18 when they married).
They definitively made them the same age so they could queercode their relationship.
I mean, look at those handholding by the fire closeups. That's some sapphic bait if I've ever seen it.
@@termagant.trompette to be fair, the age difference doesn’t stop the portrayal of Daemon and Rhaenrya’s relationship that starts right away in episode 1 when she’s young. I doubt Alicent being 18 would have prevented anything.
Also keep in mind while watching the "source" material was written by Maesters ... AKA unreliable narrators.
Rhaenya was only 10 years older than her half brother Aegon.
No Baratheons or Arryns listed? Rhaenys was half Baratheon the reason for her comment during the tournament. Aemma is half Arryn.
I'm guessing Matt will include them in the chart as he updates it to include the events of future episodes. Just as of episode 3, we've only had one brief appearance by Boremund Baratheon and none at all by the Arryns.
thats because we only care about house targaryen in the show
Sor Criston Cole was never considered to marry, he is a king's guard, they serve for live and are forbidden to mary and have a family. Even if he wasn't a kind's guard, he is from a very irrelevant house, almost a low born.
Yeah...I honestly don't know why he's even mentioned in the family tree.
Viserys set the precedent of choosing personal desire over political advantage in Alicent vs Laena. When he told Rhaenyra to seek out her own match, find one which pleases her, like he did, he's indicating that he's ok with Rhaenyra choosing someone not powerful, as long as she's happy.
It's true Ser Criston is off the list the moment he was sworn into the Kingsguard, but don't forget that the King has the power to release him from his oaths, so technically he can brought back (although realistically I doubt Viserys would be willing to).
If Ser Criston had never joined the Kingsguard, however, I do think he's a frontrunner. Rhaenyra definitely likes him, he's proven his worth as a warrior after besting Daemon, and he's an anointed knight. The realm might not agree to this match, but Viserys would probably be cool with it if Rhaenyra asks.
@@thegreatjedi309 better yet, she could say that him being father of any of her children would make sure they will be able to fight well in the Song of Ice and Fire Prophecy.
@@thegreatjedi309 I think being a Kingsguard and backstabbing the King comes hand in hand. He's gonna side with the Greens!
i think he meant ‘considered’ in terms of by the fans, not in terms of the show canon, if that makes sense.
As I see some others have pointed out Rhenys mother was Joceyln Baratheon her father's half-aunt. I think it would be great content for viewers to understand that Targaryens often married house Velaryon whenever they didn't have an appropriate Targayen siblings, or cousins available. For example Aegon the 1st mother was a velaryon. So was king Jaeherys mother.
There's a parallel to be made between Rhaenys who has Baratheon ancestry but is mostly Targaryen getting slighted for the throne and Robert who has Targaryen ancestry but is mostly Baratheon taking the throne by force. Don't know what exactly but something's there.
@@PineappleLiar A Targaryen was Stannis and Robert and Renly's Grandmother.
@@sophiawilson8696 Rhaelle Targaryen
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk Thank you!
@@Nate-uf4xk that's not true, in the books Rhaenys had black hair
Viserys’ choice wasn’t to save the mother or child, but to either actively try and save the child or do nothing and hope for the best.
Yep! I believe that as well until they played the behind scenes explanation of the first episode.
A correction. Aemon didn't marry his sister. He was married to Jocelyn Baratheon, daughter of Rogar Baratheon and Alyssa Velaryon, the mother of the Old King Jaehaerys.
So Aemon didn't marry his sister, he married his aunt.
Correction at 6:15, Viserys is told that Aemma is dying but the baby might be saved by the procedure. He is not presented with a choice that would save Aemma. Indeed, breech births were a death sentence for the mother before the advent of modern medicine.
Breech births were not a death sentence for the mother at any point in history. They were higher risk for the baby before the advent of the modern c-section, not necessarily the mother. This scene was not medically accurate, even by medieval standards.
@@zofindlay9191 Perhaps, but that's how it was presented to Viserys, so at the very least the way the "choice" was described was inaccurate. We can't assume Viserys has the medical knowledge to know otherwise. Also, this isn't *real* medieval history, so it doesn't necessarily have to follow the same rules.
@@zofindlay9191 It's pretty clear that she was also having pre-eclampsia, so the birth was already a risky thing, with the breeched baby she wouldn't have survived, could also be that the baby was laced too, i have no doubt stuff similar in the show happened.
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Actually, surprisingly enough I don't believe any foul play killed baby Baelon. Not even in the books is there any mention or allusion to it.
The chart we have all been waiting for 😂
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the chart's wrong though. Rhaenys' mother was a woman named Jocelyn Baratheon who was the younger half-sister of King Jaehaerys (they shared a mother, Alyssa Velaryon)
2:38 Aemon was NOT married to his sister... he was actually married to his half-AUNT, Jocelyn Baratheon, daughter of his father's mother Alyssa with the head of House Baratheon, Rogar
Side note, Aemon did not marry his sister, but his half-aunt Jocelyn Baratheon, younger half-sister of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne. That is why in the show Rhaenys and Corlys have close ties to the Baratheons. I actually like that they changed some things from the books, like Laenor being older then Laena Velaryon.
The show is off to a good start and I cant wait for the next episode. I still get triggered when that awesome Targaryen theme makes me think of how dreadfully butchered the last few seasons were.
Came here to make this correction
@@displacerkatsidhe Would have also added Queen Alysanne and Alyssa just to have the full incestuous family tree, but did not want to be nitpicky 😁
@@Alex-mn1fb In fairness, it's almost impossible to draw the *full* Targaryen family tree without it turning into indecipherable spaghetti. 🤣 The one in the back of Fire and Blood is still confusing even when you know what's going on.
Is it confirmed that Laenor is older than Laena? We had several time jumps, Laena was only shown in episode 1 and 2. Episode 3 takes place 3 years after episode 2 and we have yet to see Laena.
@@silvazoldyck4233 I think so. I first noticed that the young Laenor looks a year or two older, and I think they mentioned it officially, but for the life of me I dont remember where I saw that 😬
I'm so happy you're doing this, Matt! 😃 Targaryen genealogy is almost like "I'm my own grandpa."
A correction, the choice Viserys had was not between his wife and his son but saving his son or losing them both.
That's what the Maesters said, but how would they even know? And which would they prefer?
and the world's most incompetent doctor overseeing it.
@@peterwindhorst5775 I don't think you could have done any better than what that doctor did in that situation.
@@greywolf7577 you don't get what I am saying -> Maester's conspiracy theory. The Maester's conspiracy is that the Maesters purposely manipulated the events to kill the Dragons first then the Targaryians. If you assign the world's most incompetent doctor to the king, you set up the situation without anyone knowing it. The fact later he is speaking about the 4 humors suggests clearly that he might be a quack.
@@peterwindhorst5775 thats a completely baseless conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence, if you're an incompetent doctor, people notice and you get replaced, the maesters of the citadel are considered some of the finest healers and scholars of the known world, look at Aemon and Luwin. And the 4 humors was a totally valid idea at the time even Tyrion and Barristan talked about it
I feel like it deserved to be mentioned that in the book canon the two (final) candidates in the council of 101 were Viserys Targaryen and Laenor Velaryon, not Rhaenys Targaryen, his mother. Laenor even superseded his sister Laena, who is the older sibling in the book.
In the original story, "The Rogue Prince" & "The Princess & the Queen", it was Viserys against Rhaenys, but in "Fire & Blood" Rhaenys was replaced by Laenor.
I disagree. I believe that the book canon is that the final two candidates in the council of 101 were Viserys and Rhaenys. The idea that Laenor was considered more of a candidate over his mother is absurd especially given the support Rhaenys had from TWO of the Great Houses + Velaryon.
it was rhaenys vs viserys
I’ve heard that said in other videos. We all are aware that women were AUTOMATICALLY passed over.
@@RedEyeLordofFire I'm reading F&B currently, it was Laenor and Rhaenys. Rhaenys had already being passed over by Jaehaerys who named Baelon over her, so the argument for Laenor was that "if Rhaenys can't take the Throne because she's a woman despite being from the most senior line, then how about Laenor? He's from her line and male", but the Council chose Viserys because they also preferred a strict male line.
Perfect video, there’s just a small error (9:50) Criston Cole is a royal guard, he’s not allowed to take wife, land, title or having any legitimate heir.
Why?
@@gennaronarducci1333 cause he’s a royal guard lol, it’s the rule
@@theraghy5323 but why? why he couldn't marry or have children?
@@gennaronarducci1333 it’s the oath of royal guards, pretty the same as the Night Watch we saw in game of thrones with Jon and friends.
They’re are not the same order of course, but the oath and the meaning of it is similar.
You should do a full House Targaryen Family Tree from Lord Aenar Targaryen back in Old Valyria to Daenerys Targaryen.
Considering recent events, perhaps a list of oldest Heir Apparents to inherit the throne from their predecessors? Since Charles is the oldest English heir to inherit. Curious to see who else in history outside of England had to wait so long.
Galba comes to mind, becoming the 6th roman emperor at 71 year old
@@josephguillerey4391 he wasn’t heir though. He usurped the throne.
I Just wanted point in Dorne only the eldest that rule and doesn't matter what the gender is.
Finally been waiting for this! The reason I found your channel was because of your video about GoT Houses family tree… stayed because the channel is informative.
I love this channel for always being my go to for maps and family trees I need but you’re truly the realest for this one bc you also put in so much lore. Amazing channel as always!!!
This greatly helps someone such as myself, who, decided to start GOT and HOD at the same time... lol
As well as waited too long to indulge in GOT, I figured at some point, the 2 will intersect and reveal the rest. But this chart is super appreciated, Thank you.
I think a certain episode in season 4, I believe 3 or 4, spoils something huge! So ... if I were u lol I would wait maybe now 3/4 years to finish GOT unless you're ok with a spoiler
@@TheGassy92 I remember there's a scene in the books where Stannis talks to Davos and he basically reveals the fate of one of the most important characters in HotD, I don't know if they included it in the GOT series though.
this is actually crazy timing, i have been getting loads of GOT recommendations for some reason for the past three days, never even watched the show ! But I have been watching some of the vids I am being recommended and must say it looks like a very complex yet intriguing show
I love how this is, in a way, coming full circle, with Useful Charts' 2nd posted, and most viewed video being the Game of Thrones family tree.
As a suggestion, you could follow this up with a "line of succession" video at the end of the season, showing what the line of succession after Viserys would be under each of the different succession laws that each side advocated (essentially absolute vs. agnatic primogeniture). That would be a nice end-of-season video, since HotD season 1 will undoubtedly end with the big succession war just beginning.
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Aemon was actually married to his half-aunt Jocelyn Baratheon, daughter of Jaehaerys’s mother Alyssa Velaryon and Lord Rogar Baratheon
OMG!! As always your explanations are excellent! Now I understand way more of the show.
Aemon was not married to his sister. He was married to Jocelyn Baratheon, who was his half aunt and cousin. Jocelyn was the half sister of king Jaehaerys I, being the child of Rogar Baratheon (great great grandson of Aerion Targaryen) and Alyssa Velaryon.
Jaehaerys wasn't made king after his grandfather's death. He was made king when his uncle Maegor the Cruel died and he was the grandson of Aegon I. Thus he is Jaehaerys I.
His son Baelon was married to his sister Alyssa, but Aemon was married to his father's (Jaehaerys') half-sister Jocelyn. So Jocelyn was Aemon's half-aunt.
Jocelyn Baratheon was the daughter of Rogar and Alyssa (Alyssa was the mother of Jaehaerys and Alyssane, the grandmother of Alyssa, Baelon and Aemon).
In the show, Viserys can either save the baby or let both of them die. Most of us think the maesters lied about that, but it's what we know.
Criston Cole isn't a possibility for Rhaenyra to marry because he is a kingsguard. These men are sworn to chastity and their life is their king.
Great video, cleared up a lot of confusion. I hope you do one on the tree for the rest of the season.
I’ve watch a couple of other videos, yours are by far the best.
In the original story, "The Rogue Prince" & "The Princess & the Queen", it was Viserys against Rhaenys, but in "Fire & Blood" Rhaenys was replaced by Laenor.
I can't remember where I read this but didn't George RR Martin say that the show was supposed to represent what ACTUALLY happened during Fire and Blood? Which seems to be pointing to "The Rogue Prince" & "The Princess & the Queen" provided more accurate information in this instance. As the show states several times Jaehaerys and the Council were the ones who set into place the male heir taking precedence over the female heirs? "Queen who never was" also seems to heavily imply that it was Rhaenys who had a claim to the throne not Laenor.
@@khairi26 this is shit bro. In the show they didn't even include famous mushroom. Aegon's youngest brother Daeron the "daring", many may claim that "show is canon book is fake!" but that won't make it happen. although i like it it too, that is was Rhaenys not Laenor.
@@V1ert man I really wish Mushroom woulda showed up, I was really hoping to see the dwarf
@@khairi26 I keep seeing people say this and it's not true. It's just something people keep on repeating and no proof. Another problem is if GRRM himself said this then what would be the point in writing the book? He could have just written it from one perspective of what happened.
The book is instead written as a history book which relies on different sources that contradict each other. You come to your own conclusions.
The show is not canon, the characters are not the same ages as they were, the years are different, velaryons are black, Joffrey Lonmouth died after fighting at the tourney instead of a feast where he is beaten to death in the show and Cristen Cole faced no consequences, Harold Westerling was only mentioned once in the book and that was of his death in 112 AC but they have Graham McTavish playing him so he is still around, major change there. Rhaenys bursting through the ground and killing people was not a thing as she was not at KL at the time. These changes that I mentioned are not to do with the sources, so these are not things that are misinterpreted.
@@SorceressWitch obv the show is not cannon, Rhaenys doesnt even have her black hair. The show is only cannon with the game of thrones TV universe. The real cannon is the books, but ofc this specific books are writen from a historian point of view, and history is written by the victors and powerful. The real stuff is the first person POV books
Thanks...this was easy to follow and was just great
Your creative commentary and insightful graphics have once again brought order to the chaos which is history, whether imagined or factual. In this delightful expose' of the popular television series, House of Dragons, you have really excelled in bringing amusement to your many viewers. You are truly what TH-cam is supposed to be: entertainment and information at its finest.
Never thought that now I’ll have to watch series that include geopolitics and family trees of such extent, but in fact that’s quite interesting, because all of this is based on real history
Thank you! This was very informative ⭐️
Thank you for this video! It was very helpful when you highlighted the people & places as you spoke. 👍👏
Very crisp and clear information is provided in this video about the complex family tree of Targaryans. Kudos to the creator of this video.
This was amazing and so interesting to read, even for someone who has read all the books. Thank you so much
Queen dies, which means Useful Charts needs to upload a GOT video in response!
The analysis on the House of Dragons family tree is remarkable. Thank you. I'm looking forward for my information involving the characters' roles
Awesome video bro, as always 👍🏼👍🏼
Pls keep up the good work 💪🏼💪🏼
I love how you talk very clearly.
Didn't expect a speakly advert. But i use it and love it
I wish you made a full video of this with all the complete characters from the show/books.
Awesome video Matt, can you make a video about the procedures that occur after death of a Sovereign?
RIP Queen Elizabeth II
I think Matt has gotghat covered as he got that family chart which led us to William's son Prince George of Wales.
Only Baelon Targaryen married his sister, Alyssa Targaryen. The other brother Aemon, married his aunt, Jocelyn Baratheon, half sister of Jaehaerys through their mother Alyssa Velaryon.🤪
Love this video- thank you!! ASoIF genealogy and history can be so confusing at times. You explained a portion of the Targaryen family so clearly! 🫶🏼
Thanks for this video, it is hard to keep in mind every names specifically if they almost sounds the same not to mention repeated names for the 1st or 2nd and so on. I'll be waiting for the update since there's another group of grandchildren or generation with the latest episode.
Please make a new one of these videos as the episodes continue on 😁👍🏼
Anxious for a video about Middle-Earth lore, and the main family trees
Was just looking this up thank you
If you allow me an improvement suggestion, consider giving bottom margin for subtitles. Non English people like me have subtitles in case we miss something you say and they usually seat on top of the names of the charts. Great content 🙂
Good suggestion. Will pass it on to our animator.
Thank you for your video 👏
LOVED THIS!
Thank you
are you going to make another British line of succession video ?
Thanks for the video i would really like to see the entire Targaryen Family tree From beginning to the end
This was the most helpful video available
THANK YOU for the spoiler warning. I wish more channels did this.
please do an updated one 💖💖💖💖
i was hoping you woulde make a video like this :)
Have you done a video yet for the hypothetical line of succession for British throne if male primogeniture was discarded centuries earlier than 2011. That would be pretty interesting to imagine if Henry the 8th had declared it, how things would have rolled out.
Or say if some bold female monarch, say Queen Elizabeth the first, had declared female primogeniture that would so interesting too. Would love to see. Thanks!
I thinking the same thing Princess Anne can't be push back anymore.
we on to part 2 for season 1? you’re the only one who can put it good in words for understanding
Prince aemon actually married the daughter of a baratheon
Appreciated!
I am from Italy, i know a little bit of english, i activate subtitles because i was scaryed to not understand, but i want to compliments with you, because i really like your voice, is clearly, and relaxing ❤
I would LOVE to see this type of episode with the whooooole family tree from HotD to GoT - taking into it everyone from the books who are there. That would be so awesome. =D It would ofc have to be a complete spoiler, but still. It would be amazing. :D
There's this mod of a free pc game Crusader Kings 2 called a game of throne, almost all the family trees are there its incredibly detailed for generations, including their cause of death, their personality trait, weapons, dragons, etc, not to mention the amazing interactive map of the world of game of thrones
The family tree history I didn't know I needed but do
Any interest I had in GOT (which was not a lot, I don't tend to go for bleak an cynical) was thoroughly killed by news of how the show ended.
BUT, despite that, you make great, fascinating content and I hope the fans are having fun with this new beginning.
Matt I was looking for this 3 weeks ago
It would be neat to see you do the family tree of the characters of Dune.
Omg I was hoping you would do this! I can't understand the attempts of others at this family tree
Awesome video. Can’t wait for more GOT content.
What software did you use to make this awsome video?
would you consider doing a video on the full Targaryen family tree?
So, what I've understood of your videos on Royal houses and the succession of thrones is;
Unless otherwise forced by circumstance, males were preferred to take the throne
If there was no sons and only a girl, the girl would inherit the throne.
If a girl is the eldest legitimate child of the reigning monarch, but a younger boy is born, the boy inherits the throne.
This is very nice 👍
Thank you. It would be good to see the family trees for BOTH HoD and GoT connected. For example: How is Viserys related to the GoT characters. Thank you for the Speakly plug. I will be downloading it and checking in out. Trying to learn Spanish
Just finished episode 4. Will come back here once chart is updated.
I was just thinking today about wanting to see a family tree because I was a bit confused, haha
It will be much more confusing in the next episodes...
@@nadias.mariano2196 Oh sick, haha!
Wish granted. Still several characters who arent born yet in the show (remember Alicent pregnant for example?) remain to be seen in this tree haha.
@@Alejojojo6 Well true but I meant the connections to the Targaryen’s we’ve seen so far in both shows. I’ve never read the books (though I likely will one day) so I’m not very well-versed in the families.
You forgot to credit the creator of this family tree & this fictional universe - George R. R. Martin :(
Cool stuff
Will there be an updated version once season 1 ends
Hey, are you going to do a video about kingdoms and empires of Asia, similar to that about Europe? I recently rewach that video and I saw you liked a comment sugesting doing such video.
2:38 Aemon didn't marry his sister, only Baelon did. Aemon marry Jocelyn Baratheon that makes Rhaenys cousins with the Baratheons. In the first episode of the show, in the tournament that King Viserys held to joyfully announcing that Queen Aemma has gone into labor, just before a knight from House of Baratheon fight in the arena, he rides up to the royal box to receive the favor from Princess Rhaenys and call her "Cousin". Rhaenys and her husband, Corlys Velaryon, have a good relationship with the Baratheons.
Jocelyn Baratheon is actually Aemon's aunt, because Jocelyn is the daughter of Rogar Baratheon and Alyssa Velaryon who is also the mother of The Old King Jaeherys I. Alyssa Velaryon remarried to Rogar Baratheon after his husband, King Aenys I, passed away and her son, King Jaehaerys I, took the crown.
How can i get a black chart like this? I see you use this chart format for many family lines and i would like to use it for mine.
A minor bug: Aegon I did not have "Rhoynars" in his title, as he did not manage to conquer Dorne. The official title of the iron throne from Aegon I on had long been "King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of Six Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm", until Daeron II peacefully introduced Dorne into the Seven Kingdoms.
A minor bug: Aegon I was an arrogant piece of shit and the text states directly that he did use the title King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm. He claimed Dorne even though he failed to conquer it. The six kingdoms thing is a fan misconception that is textually wrong. The lorebooks directly point out Aegon used this title even though he hadn't actually conquered Dorne.
He did he was arrogant and petty asl I mean the man burnt Dorne down three times and still ain’t win nothing
Not a bug, he had Rhoynar in his title. English monarchs did something similar in claiming France when they didn't rule it.
This is from Fire and Blood. "Three days later, in the Starry Sept, His High Holiness himself anointed Aegon with the seven oils, placed a crown upon his head, and proclaimed him Aegon of House Targaryen, the First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. (“Seven Kingdoms” was the style used, though Dorne had not submitted. Nor would it, for more than a century to come.)"
So it is right to title him that way.
I would love to see you do a family tree of the silmarillion from the beginnings of Tolkien's ideas of creation by Eru illuvitar and the valar/maiar right up to the third age or even beyond
nice presentation
An interesting family tree would be the Buendia family from One Hundred Years of Solitude. I remember sketching one on an empty page of the book many years ago on my second reading. Edit: I just found one on wikipedia but surely explained by Mat would be way better!
Keeping up with the Targaryens
Criston Cole is not an option. The Kingsguard arent allowed to marry.
2:09 the Wars of the Roses aren't the best historical parallel for HotD, but the time period it's directly based on, The Anarchy, is so similar to how things play out that reading the actual history might constitute spoilers for the show
Please do a timeline for the monarchs and rulers in Tolkien's legendarium.
Aemon was married to Jocelyn Baratheon. She wasn’t his sister, but his aunt
I’m excited to see how or if Aemon the Maestor will be introduced in future seasons… if they get that far at least down the family tree
Think the Dance of the Dragons kinda mirrors The Anarchy in English history.
Yes, the Dance of the Dragons is based on the Anarchy period while Game of Thrones is very loosely based on the War of the Roses.
6:20 i remember viserys being specifically told by the maester that they could only save the baby? Realistically it was a choice between the mother or baby, and from what I understand historically the mother would be saved, but in the context presented in the show viserys was under the impression that it was lose the mother or lose both, with no option to save the mother
No in the show they say we either loose them both or we can just save one but saving the child was easier than saving the mother of course. Historically, the child was safe more than the mother cause in ancient times Kings can remarry.
I'm certain that Viserys wasn't given the choice to save the baby or Aemma.. but rather save the baby or lose them both.
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Nice. I want it