Use headphones for the best audio. The empty track gives out that signature roar that can be heard from quite a distance, while the filled track is nearly silent without much of a change in ride experience.
@mme725 The second park, Knott's Berry Farm, was originally what it says -- a berry farm famous for its pies and fruit preserves. The amusement park was built to entertain customers while they waited for pies (and fried chicken too, I think), and it ended up becoming the primary business. The store that sells pies is still there, but they don't grow the berries on site any longer. Anyhow, the point is that in their case, the city was already there, and they bought two city blocks and built on them. It's a little like Disneyland that way, only worse (they're in the same general area but Disneyland is several times the size).
I loved the sound of the empty one but was amazed how much quieter the filled one is and you were so much closer to it. The filled one must require a lot more structural supports. It must be some kind of kiln dried sand inside or something. Great job 👍
@@TheLightningStalker shouldn’t they not put sand then to keep longevity? I don’t understand why they would fill up sand just to dampen sound if it would save them money.
An empty track B&M sounds like a low-flying fighter jet - Monster at Walygator Park is extremely loud, both off-ride and on-ride! This clone of Cedar Points "Raptor" might not look very nice, but the lack of a mid-course brake run makes this ride very intense - it's awesome!
For years I only knew the pretty much dead silent filled track from Black Mamba at Phantasialand. In 2017 I got hear my first screaming B&M in the form of Monster at Walygator Parc, which is the Mid Course Brake run lacking clone of Cedar Points Raptor, and that day I fell in love with the roaring sound.
Oh yeah, Monster at Walygator is the loudest coaster I ever experienced: You can hear that mighty roar over the entire park and when standing near Monster, it sounds like a fighter jet flying low - it's impressive 🤘🏻
Nemesis at Alton Towers in the UK is in a valley so the whole thing resonates even more, if they ever filled the track with sand it would be the beginning of the end for the ride.
Nemesis keeps its noise pretty contained, but when you're in the queue and you're down in the hole with it, it is ridiculous 😂😂 Imagine being in the hole when an oblivion train goes past
Some B&Ms are made to be loud even with a filled track, the parks want riders to be intimidated by the sound or the sound matches the ride theme. For example The Incredible Hulk at Universal was made to be loud to represent The Hulks roar. Ride theme example being Afterburn at Caroeinds, originally called Top Gun (movie) the trains are supposed to sound like a Jet.
The first time I really noticed the suppressed sound was at seaworld Orlando's Manta and Kraken. The wheel covers suppressed a lot of noise compared to my home park in Illinois batman the ride which is fairly loud. But nothing comes close to Kumba in the b&m family tree
ride quality wise there is not much of a difference. the "filled" coaster however is 10 years newer, around the time B&M started making rides a bit less snappy and more graceful, but they really don't track or ride any different.
The filled coaster is also part of an astonishingly small amusement park in the middle of a major suburban area. It's not even like people moved in after the park, the city was there first. Noise ordinances apply, and they have to shut down earlier than many other places (say, Disneyland or Six Flags Magic Mountain) that have a little bit of isolation between their noise and the city beyond. It's silent or nothing, unless they want to move the entire place.
Jesusdragon737 I get what your saying as in it’s a almost to muffled definitely would agree it should be muffled but not sound proofed all the way...to the point where it’s rides way different then it looks and sounds.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sound difference between Silver Bullet and Raptor is also (mostly ?) created by the type of wheels those two rides are using : nylon for Raptor, polyurethane for Silver Bullet. Nylon wheels are more rigid and are consequently noisier.
The track is probably filled because it's at knotts. Close to homes and businesses. The cedar point track is far away from anything, so it doesn't matter how much noise it makes. I guess parks try not to spend money on the sand to fill the track
chile i just came here ro tell yall that silver bullet will get u dizzy as fuck i rode that shit when i was 13/14 n i never been dizzy on a rollercoaster before but that shit shook my entire body to the core
The B&M roar is really loud, it's the same on Riddler's Revenge at Magic Mountain, they sound the exact same even though Riddler is a stand up coaster.
Man i remember when i went on the first time in 2015, i miss the roaring sound it made, then 2016 hits and universal (or b&m) was like "let's put sand in it, i don't think anyone liked the sound"
@@djrkcryt2568 More weight --> more support --> more $$. So Universal wanted it quieter for some reason. We should still be glad that the coaster still exist. Not that many coaster had received a full retrack. This shows how great that coaster was and still is.
These sound the same, and that is because Silver Bullet uses the empty track. The Filled track was introduced by re-doing some parts of Leviathan, and B&M started using a slightly different track design by filling the rails with sand. The modern filled track was introduced in 2014, which was 10 years after Silver Bullet opened.
@@pittsburghthrills1281 Defiantly not speed related. Nemesis at Alton towers is 5mph slower then Silver Bullet, but still sounds mean AF. 2014 was the first time retroactively filling B&M track, but they have been experimenting with filled track and supports from the factory since the 90's, using either a lightweight sand, foam, or gravel. In addition to Silver bullet, Medusa at SFDK in 2000, Talon in 01', Patriot at Worlds of Fun in '06, as well as parts of Gatekeeper in 13', All have filled track, and all have opened before 2014. Its not a new thing like the Engineering explained video would have you believe. Edit: Also, keep in mind that the recording setup i used to make this video was identical at booth parks: a Zoom h1n, with auto level on, no low cut, MP3 format, and the SP-TFB-2 in ear binaural mics. the ambient noise at Cedar point was MUCH louder, with the swelltones playing in the midway below, so even tho my video compares the sound, it doesn't capture how radically different they are in volume.
here after the video presentation that failed to compare the two sounds.
same :D
Kaliche same
lolll same
Idk why this is so funny. 😭 Everybody is really the same.
Must be deaf...
The empty track sound is an iconic sound. I love that roar it gives it just makes me smile lol
Empty track is better. Love that sound
LOL. People living nearby have different opinion.
People living nearby should have thought twice about moving smack next to a theme park!
@@mme725 urban sprawl and population density cares not for common sense.
@mme725
The second park, Knott's Berry Farm, was originally what it says -- a berry farm famous for its pies and fruit preserves. The amusement park was built to entertain customers while they waited for pies (and fried chicken too, I think), and it ended up becoming the primary business. The store that sells pies is still there, but they don't grow the berries on site any longer. Anyhow, the point is that in their case, the city was already there, and they bought two city blocks and built on them. It's a little like Disneyland that way, only worse (they're in the same general area but Disneyland is several times the size).
They had to change it because of Leviathan.
When it released there were too many noise complaints so they started filling the tracks with sand.
I loved the sound of the empty one but was amazed how much quieter the filled one is and you were so much closer to it. The filled one must require a lot more structural supports. It must be some kind of kiln dried sand inside or something. Great job 👍
They made the filled track quieter because Knott's is in a residential area.
It depends on the density of the sand itself that's used to quiet the roar.
@@tonyisreal446 More likely it's because the coaster is so close to two different entertainment venues plus goes over the horse trail.
It's way heavier with the sand so they have to use more support towers and/or slow down the ride and it can affect the longevity of the ride.
@@TheLightningStalker shouldn’t they not put sand then to keep longevity? I don’t understand why they would fill up sand just to dampen sound if it would save them money.
A coaster should sound like a screaming daemon from hell.
It sounds really cool
Daemon
Daemons just kinda hang around and give you advice. They don't scream.
Ikr
An empty track B&M sounds like a low-flying fighter jet - Monster at Walygator Park is extremely loud, both off-ride and on-ride!
This clone of Cedar Points "Raptor" might not look very nice, but the lack of a mid-course brake run makes this ride very intense - it's awesome!
You can hear the sand lol
An Otaku I heard some fall too 😂😂😂😂
@@JDdaFilmer ... you heard sand fall....
I honestly love the B&M humm and think it's a beautiful part of a park experience
For years I only knew the pretty much dead silent filled track from Black Mamba at Phantasialand. In 2017 I got hear my first screaming B&M in the form of Monster at Walygator Parc, which is the Mid Course Brake run lacking clone of Cedar Points Raptor, and that day I fell in love with the roaring sound.
You have to hear Kumba from Busch Gardens Tampa. The roar is so loud and actually hurts your ears XD.
Especially when you enter the tunnel
Oh yeah, Monster at Walygator is the loudest coaster I ever experienced:
You can hear that mighty roar over the entire park and when standing near Monster, it sounds like a fighter jet flying low - it's impressive 🤘🏻
Nobody:
Me watching TH-cam at 2:00 AM:
Rollet coaster expert also watch meme
The empty track defiantly wins.
definitely*
Nemesis at Alton Towers in the UK is in a valley so the whole thing resonates even more, if they ever filled the track with sand it would be the beginning of the end for the ride.
I could believe it. Raptor sits on a flat peninsula of land, and it is audible from the cabins at the back for the park, which is a solid mile away.
They better not dare touch my main man Nemesis
Nemesis keeps its noise pretty contained, but when you're in the queue and you're down in the hole with it, it is ridiculous 😂😂 Imagine being in the hole when an oblivion train goes past
SlopedOtter They would have to provide ear protection if the queue for Oblivion went in the tunnel 😂
Well 2 years later its having a complete retrack with filled with sand.
afterburn at carowinds is so loud you can hear it all over the park its great. can even hear it over fury and intimidator
Rip nemesis
Nothing, and I mean nothing, gets me more excited for a park visit than hearing that beautiful B&M roar from the parking lot.
Empty track is the best I swear in person empty B&M track sounds so good
gotta love the b&m invert sounds 👌👌
That is such a satisfying sound!
Great Bear’s is very unique it changes throughout the experience especially the straight track before the Immelmann
very nice comparison!
It’s supposed to roar
It’s so soothing
Love the B&M roar!
I love the empty tracks roar
There is quite a difference between the 2. Very interesting.
Some B&Ms are made to be loud even with a filled track, the parks want riders to be intimidated by the sound or the sound matches the ride theme. For example The Incredible Hulk at Universal was made to be loud to represent The Hulks roar. Ride theme example being Afterburn at Caroeinds, originally called Top Gun (movie) the trains are supposed to sound like a Jet.
That’s how I think of Medusa at great adventure
Amazing Roar
I love the unfilled track sound.
i love the roar
an example of what Nemesis is gonna sound like next year 🙁
Man i remember hearing that sound when i first went so cedar point 7 years ago.
Oh that heavenly roar... gonna put it as my alarm clock..
I love the B&M roar
EMPTY TRACK WHOS WITH ME!!!!
The first time I really noticed the suppressed sound was at seaworld Orlando's Manta and Kraken. The wheel covers suppressed a lot of noise compared to my home park in Illinois batman the ride which is fairly loud. But nothing comes close to Kumba in the b&m family tree
Filing the track really just neutered how the ride sounds. Gatekeeper and Valravn are both filled and you can't even hear them over Raptor.
The filled track almost sounds broken. It's not a smooth sound at all.
ride quality wise there is not much of a difference. the "filled" coaster however is 10 years newer, around the time B&M started making rides a bit less snappy and more graceful, but they really don't track or ride any different.
The filled coaster is also part of an astonishingly small amusement park in the middle of a major suburban area. It's not even like people moved in after the park, the city was there first. Noise ordinances apply, and they have to shut down earlier than many other places (say, Disneyland or Six Flags Magic Mountain) that have a little bit of isolation between their noise and the city beyond. It's silent or nothing, unless they want to move the entire place.
Jesusdragon737 I get what your saying as in it’s a almost to muffled definitely would agree it should be muffled but not sound proofed all the way...to the point where it’s rides way different then it looks and sounds.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sound difference between Silver Bullet and Raptor is also (mostly ?) created by the type of wheels those two rides are using : nylon for Raptor, polyurethane for Silver Bullet. Nylon wheels are more rigid and are consequently noisier.
Sadly nemesis at alton towers is soon to be silenced by the sand treatment
It seems like filled up B&M is more quiet than the ones that empty. No wonder empty B&Ms like Montu at Tampa Florida makes a roar sound.
I’m gonna miss Nemesis roar 🥹
same 😔
Wow this is a huge difference
I remember whenever I was like 6 I went to universal and I was at my hotel's pool and the hulk ride sounded like thunder and it scared me so much
Empty it all!
Empty is less expensive and more epic but I can understand the need for a quiet track to avoid mass noise complaints depending on a parks location.
Damn the difference is Insane
The track is probably filled because it's at knotts. Close to homes and businesses. The cedar point track is far away from anything, so it doesn't matter how much noise it makes. I guess parks try not to spend money on the sand to fill the track
You can tell the age of a B&M by whether it has a roar or a whoosh
The roar is awesome, but I prefer the sand filled so it doesn’t destroy your ears
B&m has the best sounding coasters. Like a roar.
Dragon khan has the best roar in Europe and it could be heard from the entrance
there aren't any nearby homes to Cedar Point. I kinda like the roar
Imagine a lion that only purrs. Imagine putting Godzilla on mute. Imagine a rottweiler that just whimpers. The intimidating roar is half the bravado!
chile i just came here ro tell yall that silver bullet will get u dizzy as fuck i rode that shit when i was 13/14 n i never been dizzy on a rollercoaster before but that shit shook my entire body to the core
the empty track sounds like a damn hurricane
Great Bear is the loudest coaster in existence
Nah I think Medusa at great adventure is
It’s deafeningly loud
Love the empty track sound, but I get that noise is an issue if your park is near houses.
The B&M roar is really loud, it's the same on Riddler's Revenge at Magic Mountain, they sound the exact same even though Riddler is a stand up coaster.
Green Lantern was also like Raptor and was a standup
Empty track is do Relaxing
Empty gang
Most places will keep it empty but some places like Dorney park and I guess knots are filled with sand because of the neighboring communities
you should hear montu at bgt... so loud
Raptor is also almost a decade older than Silver Bullet...
Omg raptor is fucking roarrrringggg 🤤
Empty track will always sound better.
Whats the name of this coaster?
Smiler sound be like
The hulk ride was probably filled after it was rebuilt because it doesn't really make sound
DJ RKCR YT they did sadly
Yep it was very disappointing
Man i remember when i went on the first time in 2015, i miss the roaring sound it made, then 2016 hits and universal (or b&m) was like "let's put sand in it, i don't think anyone liked the sound"
@@djrkcryt2568 More weight --> more support --> more $$. So Universal wanted it quieter for some reason. We should still be glad that the coaster still exist. Not that many coaster had received a full retrack. This shows how great that coaster was and still is.
Raptor CEDAR POINT
yea
You think Raptor is good, listen to Great Bear at Hersheypark, that thing is loud and makes a sound like a bear
I personally don’t like excessively loud rides like raptor. Quieter roars like steel vengeance has sound cooler
Is banshee empty or filled track?
I think it’s a bit of both it’s definitely not quiet like Talon and Silver Bullet and it’s not loud like Raptor and Great Bear
Raptor isn't raptor without the empty track
That's a lot of sand.
This is also because of the nylon wheels, imagine raptor with polyurethane wheels... oh sh*t I just imagine... I’ll throw up right now 🤢🤮
They should fill the track with water
Water moves too much that would be terrible for the structural rigidity of the ride.
@@MrDeeJayDaDJ was a joke
How would that sound
i love the empty roar
Silver bullet just doesn’t even sound right. If you’re gonna get a B&M, get the full package.
I'll take filled track. The roar is cool for about 5 minutes then it gets on your nerves.
The filled track isn’t really fun.
These sound the same, and that is because Silver Bullet uses the empty track. The Filled track was introduced by re-doing some parts of Leviathan, and B&M started using a slightly different track design by filling the rails with sand. The modern filled track was introduced in 2014, which was 10 years after Silver Bullet opened.
Maybe try watching again with sound on 😉
@@NEVAstopGAMER I watched with sound on. The difference is related to speed, i think. Silver Bullet doesn't have filled track.
@@pittsburghthrills1281 Defiantly not speed related. Nemesis at Alton towers is 5mph slower then Silver Bullet, but still sounds mean AF.
2014 was the first time retroactively filling B&M track, but they have been experimenting with filled track and supports from the factory since the 90's, using either a lightweight sand, foam, or gravel.
In addition to Silver bullet, Medusa at SFDK in 2000, Talon in 01', Patriot at Worlds of Fun in '06, as well as parts of Gatekeeper in 13', All have filled track, and all have opened before 2014.
Its not a new thing like the Engineering explained video would have you believe.
Edit: Also, keep in mind that the recording setup i used to make this video was identical at booth parks: a Zoom h1n, with auto level on, no low cut, MP3 format, and the SP-TFB-2 in ear binaural mics. the ambient noise at Cedar point was MUCH louder, with the swelltones playing in the midway below, so even tho my video compares the sound, it doesn't capture how radically different they are in volume.
The first filled track was Alpengeist in 1997.
I like noise, but the effect is eerie so sometimes cool.
Eww filled track is so boring
Rode raptor twice. Worst roller coaster B&M has ever made.
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