Everything about WATER - DarkSouls 1/2/3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Mechanically water does a shocking amount of things. From bonus lightning damage, elemental changes, cleaning and hidden moves. The only problem is each game decided to to it completely differently.... and it's not even consistent in each game either.... ʷʰʸ ᵐᶦʸᵃᶻᵃᵏᶦˀ
Timecodes for time travellers-
0:00- Intro & waterfalls
0:58- Dark Souls 1
3:37- Dark Souls 2
8:05- Bloodborne n' Demon's Souls
9:12- Sekiro
10:04- Dark Souls 3
13:04- Elden Ring?
Credits
Water&WaterWater by Springinthesky- • Crepe Sings The Hits
Boathead by ComradeAlpaca- www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/m...
Big thanks to my Patreons for comfy bath 🛀
/ limitbreakers - เกม
While it might not seem it, I trimmed out quite a bit of stuff. Most importantly that the hydra's water attack is physical. Not importantly was the games which that have water veil or rogue/brightwater items.
😢😢😢 noooo please upload a 12 hour videooo👴
Why though? It would've been cool if you did leave that part, imo
more is always better
Fuck the algorithm, give us 80 minutes of Faith build theorycrafting old man
Noooo why
Water influences lightning.
Lightning usually scales off faith.
MIRACLE BUILD RELATED VIDEO!
Psych! Final Fantasy XIII video!
Any day now
Dopest lure....
@@whyisblue923taken Hah! You thought! It's actually been a FFX video the whole time! The most powerful arcing at 9:12 proves it!
HOLY WATER?!!
Such MIRACLES of water. I wonder how can we abuse this MIRACULOUS mechanic. Really makes you wonder what kind of MIRACLES are out there still.
Maybe we could use these MIRACLES ourselves, we could even BUILD our character to use MIRACULOUS things such as these.
makes you wonder what would have happened in another timeline
I wonder what kind of MIRACLES could happen MIRACULOUSLY.
Insert obvious emphasized word in sentence.
You're BUILDING up to something downright... MIRACULOUS? I wonder what it could be.
Frog Rays are the most underused enemy in Souls games. They should be in every game. We want frog rays.
The first elden ring dlc will be nothing but frog rays
@@shipkipsamazingchannel3248 it'll just be the return of skeleton wheels just to make us suffer...
Just a Gatorade basilisk
@@theomegablade6415 But this time they don't even drop the BoneWheel shield if you kill them, just to add salt to injury.
ds1 had quite a few niche enemies. other games seemed to stick to humanoid or dog enemies with select miniboss enemies like crystal lizards but ds1 had mushrooms/frogs/vagrants/firebreathing statues and even a tentacle monster that spun you as it consumed you like a horrible swirlly
This confirms once and for all that Elden Ring really is Dark Souls 2 2.
No, it is Dark Souls 2 3
Darks souls 4
Dark Souls IIII
It's really just Dark Souls III 2
Its The Elder's soul 5
DS1 water: "Hehe water go splash splash"
DS2 water: "Water is friend, water is medicine, water is life, water is GOD, STAY HYDRATED!"
DS3 water: "Hehe water go splash splash" but in HD and water bonfire
Elden Ring water: RGB
@Malboro how am i supposed to process that information?
Cpt. Duck it was your house
Really Good Best water.
@@CptDuck i´m choking on my fruit gummy lmfao... the way you answered was so dry and perfect
You're a weirdo @@CptDuck
Those Ds3 lightning attacks look so cool, i wonder if there is some build to use them.
Miracles in DS3 aren’t even that bad, I had like a 75% win rate whenever I went into the Arena and it’s what I always use.
@@julianadams3710 Poise-casting lightning arrow alone would probably get you that winrate :D
@@TheLloydLightning it was actually mostly a faith infused drakeblood GS and some lightning spears, I absolutely loved that moveset.
@@julianadams3710 and pve?
@@tylerlackey1175 it did pretty good to, all the buffs make you almost impossible to kill and the damage is high if you use the right miracles and weapons.
In Sekiro, jumping into water will remove any weapon buff you currently have active (except divine confetti), and it will cure the burning status effect!!
On the other hand, when you jump there electrified
that makes so much sense that's sick
wow its like water could get rid of fire or smth
granted in some games the mechanics arent as in depth as other games
Can't believe I missed the burning trick
Will it cure the burning status effect of Gonorrhea tho?
finally, we figured out how to get the "in water" ending in Dark Souls
James honey, did something happen to you? After we got separated in that long hallway? Are you confusing me with someone else? You were always so forgetful, remember that time in the hotel? You said you took everything, but you forgot that video tape we made. I wonder if it's still there.
Ah yes, Silent Hill 2 references in DS videos, thank you
You know. I thought it was just gonna be another variant. I really didnt expect to walk into the Kiln and see Gwyn strapped to a bed flying around...
Ashen one… did something happen to you? After we got separated by that warp bonfire? You did always have such low intelligence
@@Slipperoni lmao no way it's James Silenthill
The Frog-Rays will forever be remembered as the most needlessly complex and overdesigned enemy From has ever created.
And I absolutely love them for it.
Heh.
also keep it mind they glide can you believe it they can glide they are gliding little frogs and it's so cute
It seems a bit of a waste of an enemy since you can only find them in that secret place in Deeproot Gardens, I quite liked them myself especially for the green herbs farm off them
The Frog-Rays... Will never be a memory.
@@divideit7844 We know Darkroot Gardens were severely cut before release. They were probably meant to feature more and be more important before the area was cut down in scope, thus remaining mostly as a relic of what could have been. Or they were supposed to have been scrapped before release but someone insisted that a few frogs should make their way into release. Whatever the case was, their presence in DS 1 is entirely out of place, just like some other enemies (dragon-butts, dozens of fire breathing statues, etc.).
@@yellow4633 I imagined a Frog-Ray in a Sephiroth wig saying that, truly a wonderous sight.
Heh.
Never gonna get tired of this channel.
and this channels never gonna give you up
Same! Honestly suprised there isn't more Elden Ring content though. The game is massive. I'm sure there's plenty he could uncover.
Old Man will never let us down.
I will never get tired of the way Old Man says "style"
True, but I miss the memey pvp build videos.
Water kills you. Except for the water that doesn't
Water kills you if you don't touch both ground and exposed air simultaneously.
Otherwise, it's safe-ish. This is best shown in Shrine of Amana, where the player can survive in water that reaches up to their head. But as soon as they hit the slope and aren't touching ground anymore - *blegh!* Dead.
says a lot about society
@@khajiitimanus7432 Amana water never reaches that high unless you do fall off a cliff. You may be thinking the Flexile Sentry.
@@ebonslayer3321 Nah, man. That water caps off at chest height.
There are some ledges right at the cusp of falling off wherein the water can reach around head height .
The frog-ray trivia blew my mind, I thought for sure that by now we'd know all there possibly is to know about this decade-old game, but it seems like there's always something new.
There's something oddly charming about how many obscure mechanics DS1 has. It took us years just to figure out how Miracle Resonance worked.
Or rather how miracle resonance didnt work lmao
I mean this shit was already known a decade ago. You're just late.
@@chaptap8376 where?
As a DS1 stan:
Spreading lightning actually has 3 levels of damage, one from each ring. The damage reduction gets pretty significant at the edges. Each Lightning Spear has its own set of Bullets/Attacks to draw from.
The Dragonslayer Spear's Lightning Spear is actually just a Lightning Spear, not even copy & pasted, just used directly. It deals reduced damage because the Spear has fairly poor FTH scaling.
The Serpent-Mage actually deals magic damage, and does not have the code to spread sparks on water, nor does the Titanite Demon.
In fact, only the Lightning Spear Miracles and the Sanctuary Guardian's lightning attacks have the code at all (though I might be missing one)
I assume this is all stuff you cut out of the script.
wait that deals magic dmg? the more you know.
I did not know this
@@LimitBreakers Gotta make a second video to save your honor!
Even more useless data, the 3 levels of damage from the shock in water also deal slightly different amounts of poise damage too. Which is uselessly niche. "Aha, I got you with my 2/3rds lightning spread damage, dealing enough poise damage to stagger and follow up with my, uhh, 2nd lightning because there's not many options in this game!"
But hey, explains why tanking vs sactuary guardian felt a little inconsistent. Actually taking slightly different stagger based on positioning.
Also lightning scaling is just wacky. DS1, Faith. Bloodborne, Arcane. Sekiro, regular attack power. Elden Ring, Dex. Meanwhile magic damage has just always been int, it seems.
4:54 I love the Helicopterman cameo
In Elden Ring, I saw that island in the distance from Limgrave's beach (the one with the Dragon Communion church on it) and took that as a sign that maybe we can swim in Elden Ring now. We can jump, that's pretty huge, so maybe we can swim. I drowned immediately.
Now, the worrying part is that I killed myself about two more times attempting the same thing over again at that same spot hoping for a different outcome. And worse yet, it would take another couple hours for me to finally stop attempting to swim in different places.
Oh yes the MIRACLE of water
I remember when this channel had useless data. This data is too useful.
indeed. i miss the old times.
This video just shows many more reasons on why I love ds2
Best souls 2
This channel is great for remembering just how good Dark Souls 2 is.
Best souls 2
Lmao
Ive never played or watched anything ds2, but from what ive heard, the biggest reason it gets slack is because its just so different from the other games, not because its directly bad.
@@likehowdudehelp Most of the hate came from it's release state(s). Being unpolished, the downgrade controversy and then re-releasing the game with the "DLC" which was integral to the story. Then the sluggish movement and mostly weak boss catalogue burned a lot of people. I love the game, even more than Ds3. It's better than 99% of Dark souls clones and shines more as a slow adventure game than an action rpg.
@@incius8341 is the game still as inplished as it used to be? From your words its pretty good so i might uave to try it, ove been on the fence, amd donylt really wanna waste 40 bucks on a game i wont enjoy. Thank you for the input
The water was always the scariest thing in these games. Ash Lake was scary, not because of the hydras, but because of that one slope that you couldn't tell from looking at whether it would slide you down into those deep dark damp depths or not.
ALSO, speaking of Deep, I think the whole Deep cult thing in DS3 is a metaphor/reference to antideluvian culture memes.
Honestly that happened to me a few times when I was fighting against the hydra. It’s the reason why you have to bait his attacks, because there’s no way you can get near his head without dying by greed.🐱
was always terrified of the hydra in ds1 tho. i think its just cuz of how huge it is but it still moves really quickly. and seeing it fly over ash lake is genuinely the scariest thing in any fromsoft game lmao
As someone with thalassophobia, Ash lake is the scariest god damn shit in any game I've ever played period. I'm thankful it's optional.
I would actually say that the water monsters andd areas in a lot of FS games are mythos influenced by H.P Lovecraft and other writers. The Deacons of The Deep almost seem like the beings from a book of HP's i just cant remember the book. Think it was Yaslagoth or something
@@lordsativa6481
i mean the person they follow is literally called "aldrich" (eldritch)
12:30 - „Water you doing, old man?“
You are just keeping the old parts of the franchise alive. Always loved to seek for hidden mechanics and the ways they work. Thank you so much for the content. eldne ringe miracolous assembly plz
6:30 okay old man, I'll accept that you provided a miracle build, that's 1 game outta 4. Keep up the good work.
As soon as i saw the title, my mind immediately went to the "FFX8 battle theme, but it's just some guy saying water"
and then it was used as the intro and now im not sure im not part of some greater hivemind
DS2 has so many intelligent mechanical differences from 1 and 3, like calculating lower defense when enemies are in water. Another nice one is that boosting your resistances doesn't bring the bar on screen and give you a little build up, especially when you reload an area. Even Elden Ring does this. It is really weird, because it makes it seem like they just lost the code for DS2 and went "oh well, let's just make it like DS1"
DS3 is basically just a slightly updated DS1, honestly. When you think of it like that, it's no wonder the little mechanics are just as boring.
Well that bar build up when you equip a ring/talisman is so you can't just panic equip something to stop from being poisoned, probably especially in pvp. That's more of a design decision than a flaw. But yeah dark souls 2 is honestly really impressive given that it basically does everything from scratch and still achieves so much
I'm honestly annoyed that Elden Ring still has the 30%/70% equip load system instead of the far superior DS2 system that changes every ten percent and also gives you increased stamina Regen the lower your equip load is. I always feel like I'm "wasting" equip load space when I don't go to 70%, which kills the fashion souls for me
@@frazfrazfrazfraz The worst part of the equip load system is how much the game railroads you into mid equip load. (Or kinda light load in ds1), by making the mid-roll so absurdly strong compared to losing all the weight for fast rolls, or the little bit more armor you'd get for fat rolls. Especially bad in Elden Ring where you don't even get more i-frames for fast rolling compared to mid-rolling. Which I think might have also been the case in DS3. Just makes the game always feel the same when light rolls are pointless, and heavy weight sucks. I actually tried a heavy roll only Elden Ring but honestly the only thing making me stop was the slow stamina regen, not even the rolls. As if being heavy weight needed yet more discouragement.
DS1 used to have an interesting trade off because the poise was so good it was viable to swap to fat rolls just to be tankier for a fight. But in the newer games poise is so weak that you're better off just wearing armor for defense up to 70% and rolling normally. Why even have Bull-Goat armor if all anyone is going to do with it is overlevel endurance till they can roll like they're naked anyway?
@@Winasaurus the problem with DS1 was that poise was TOO GOOD. All the Souls games discourage heavy weight, hell they even took the time to program in controller vibration whenever you fat roll, that's like the game blatantly telling you not to do that.
@@spinyslasher6586 Yes, but then why even have a difference between fat rolls and overloaded? It's quite clear that it was intended to be a trade-off to use heavy weight at least sometimes, maybe to slowly tank an area to clear it out. The problem is that NONE of the games, barring DS1, actually do that. There is no reason to fat roll in any of them at all, 70+% weight may as well be 800+% weight. Yes, poise was too good, but that's more down to poor enemy poise damage balancing. Huge enemies should deal huge poise. The only reason the famous strat of Havel's and never rolling vs 4 kings is because they have pathetic poise damage. If they were staggering you in 1 or 2 hits (as a sword the size of a bus should), it would be better to light roll.
All they need to do is make it more interesting to have fat rolls as a playstyle. They encourage low armor weight with flynn's and blue dancer talisman, they encourage mid rolls by making them the best for defense- ratio, they should encourage fat rolls too. Even if just some minor thing like dealing slightly more stamina/stance damage to enemies, due to heavier weight=more momentum. And because your mobility is so bad it slightly makes up for not being able to roll as well. Would be interesting at the very least. Because if you're good at the game and can time fat rolls, there's literally no benefit to it, since you only get 29% more armor weight to use, which is often barely enough for anything worthwhile.
"The production quality is staggering." - Havel
The ripples from the ds1 lightning miracles are the same damage percentages from each one. The difference in damage numbers is just because there's three different hitboxes based on how far away from the center of impact you are. It also changes the poise damage too.
Thanks old man. This just made my heart sink. Not even in water can a faith build be effective.
Nice! Always a pleasure to see an upload from the old man! (Now, where's our miracle build you old senile bastard??)
5:10 love the Happy Souls reference. :)
Yeah references of Dark Souls are so convoluted I wouldnt be surprised if VaatiVidya would pop up to share the lore of the land. :D
Remember to drop your entire inventory on the ground or you'll just sink straight down into the depths of the abyss.
Fake news
Easily the best editing of any Soulsborne content maker
So what you're saying is, DS2 is once again objectively the best game.
And here I was thinking I could do a viable DS3 miracle build by invading areas with water
I think this is the closest we are ever going to get to a miracle build video.
Ever since I've seen the hydra's spitting water at you in DS1 I always wanted a water-magic style school. I guess sorceries have become this, given that they're blue and you do get some magic frost spells in DS3 and Elden Ring.
It would have been way cooler if every elemental type had some kind of secondary effect, fire doing an arc move in tar, or on grass land. Maybe dark damage / spells doing an AoE if they hit a source of light like a torch or bonfire? Great video nonetheless!
Also that dark spells should have done more damage in dark areas (or especially areas with the presence of the abyss/the deep). Something similar also should have existed for miracles (miracles would do more damage in the sunlight and inside holy places, like the Cathedral of the Deep, even though that Cathedral has obviously been corrupted by dark/the deep).
The claymen use a bubble sorcery that's basically a water element spell. You can even find a sorcery for the homing, exploding bubble they have.
@@Cheshire_Cat137 That's true! I can be a hydromancer in Elden ring atleast!
9:12 The song is Otherworld by Bill Muir. The reference is Blitzball. And this is the best channel on TH-cam.
Indeed it is from the ps2 hit game final fantasy 10
Was not expecting a
FFX reference in this video
Ok, that intro for elden ring with the pirate from spongebob was unexpected lmao
I really think that in DS1 they made some intern animate all the water splashes and once he showed it to Miyazaki he was just too nice to say "redo it."
The swamp in the Ringed City DLC Probably doesn't arc because It's an abyssal swamp made of dark, not water.
The amount of work you put into these is very appreciated. Always super funny! Good music too
14:05 I love how hard Elden Ring flexes on the other games in this respect. Lmao
this video makes me miss my favorite Souls game, DS2. Its the perfect game
Apart from frigid and the entire back tracking in Iron keep to get items in lava pools, but other than that I agree
I absolutely love Dark Souls 2, but the only thing that truly annoys me in the game is that when you use any weapon (including bows, chimes, and staffs) in your left hand and you have a ultra greatsword, great hammer, or great axe in your right hand, then your character will start to walk with a weird stance like their head is tilted to the right and stuck to their right shoulder.
@@DavidDavidson587 wtf, I’ve never seen that! I rarely use great weapons though. I know DS2 has some crazy animation systems going on behind the scenes, it sounds like a residual bug from that. Game was truly ahead of its time though!
@@DavidDavidson587 Actually its correct way to hold something big on your shoulder as when you hold for long enough your arm starts to get stiff so when you run you position your head to the right because of your now stiff arm. The animation disappears when you interact with something or use bonfire.
Every animation in DS2 was motion captured so its realistic.
@@joshmay2944 Yeah I guess if you rarely used great weapons then you wouldn't know about that glitch, lol. DS2 does have a lot of unique animation stuff (going on behind the scenes), so I guess glitches like that were bound to happen. I wish they patched it out though. It's not that hard to discover if you use large weapons. The game was definitely ahead of it's time.
Interestingly in Liurnia in Elden Ring the enemies there take massive damage from any lightning attack. It was pretty sick to one shot the lobsters with the ice lightning spear.
OK was not expecting Final Fantasy 8 music, but I love it!
That hidden frog ray move blew my mind
I just binge all your videos like every month lol. They bring me comfort.
Ah water in DS2
If there is a personalized hell just for me it's definitely includes a replay of my memories from trying to beat shrine of amana with pyromaniacs only
Shrine of Amana is just all-around hell for everyone.
Love you grandpa. Please never stop.
12:57 This would've been a good time for the Korone "water in the fire" clip.
This video was another great one! Thanks for all the work ya'll do putting these together, it's always a treat to see a new one is out :)
What about a video on the special effects of the hollowslayer and Farron/Artorias greatswords? The wikis are very confusing and no one knows exactly on what enemies/bosses these swords are effective
Check the video on slave knights gael
So can we get that DS3 miracle build for lighting shooting now?
*WE WERE PROMISED.*
It feels like every other enemy in Dark Souls 1 has some ridiculously specific unique interaction, I can't believe I'm STILL learning new things about the game after 11 years. Masterpiece.
This was like so enjoyable to watch. So well edited. You’ve got a fan!
I love dogs, they're kinda slow but they get so much faster in water! The only thing is that they hide really well when they want to, I can't pet their head when they're hidden
My dude, I never thought something could make me happy today.
(they took all my sh*t, maybe I go to jail, heavy penalty, etc..)
But that intro, that tribute to FF8 hit me right in the heart.
As I'm watching my life go straight to hell, your stupid bit of stupid content with useless data, inpired my soul to force my mind to relax.
Thank you for your part in my life, all hail to the old man. :)
The chilling vibes in you videos are so good that I use them to sleep when I have anxiety.
So glad you’re still finding content in all the souls games, I could not live without these videos
You mentioned that storm always arcs, and while it's true, I don't think water DOESNT affect it. I looked at the footage you provided for it and it seems to me that the travel speed of the arcs increases in water. Could you double check that? Love the videos old man.
Edit: I also think I see it traveling farther.
Check it yourself
@@chaptap8376 no access to the game sadly. Computer OOC
@@willowwisp2420 i always hate it when my computer morphs itself into a copy of the hit video game "Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time"
Wow it really is a *miracle* you guys are still uploading. I wonder what kind of *builds* you've made for yourselves in Elden Ring, the game that came out after *Dark Souls 3*
I gotta say you make videos in a very unique way and I love it😂😂😂
I love how your music choices for this video is literally just the "relaxing nintendo music" playlist.
Dark Souls 2 yet again lords it's superiority.
Love the Ristar music 👍! That game has a great soundtrack
Lol i have the same float as the one in the thumbnail also good to still see limitbreakers content on my feed I need my daily dose of souls contents and this channel is one of my favorites for that
coming in hot with the trumpet guy clips. love it. another great video
I wonder if he switched some flat wall's textures with some basic green for easy in game greenscreening
damn Oldman this may be my favorite video you've ever done. the editing, the jokes, the music, all top tier. mad respect for the Ristar song 💛
A song I recognized from a relatively forgotten game. Song is 2-1 Splash Down from the Ristar soundtrack for those who are curious. In This video it is used at about 7:00.
Watching in the pool great time for this video to show up and great video can't wait for in depth Elden Ring water video next😉
The Lightning Returns bit got me, I loved the FF13 series music
Can’t wait for Dark Souls: Prepare to drown edition
Just play Monster Hunter: Tri
One of your best videos yet! The meme use is next level in this one.
I GOT SO FREAKING HYPED FROM THAT WATER INTRO SONG LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This was my randomly recommended introduction to... this.
I came back to this and realized that the intro earned my subscription for that 5/4 water music alone.
I keep saying that Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2.5. The water effects tell me so.
elden ring is what dark souls 2 tried and failed to be
@@Tulip_bip I think it was a great Souls game. It didn't fail at anything imo. The devs were just not able to do what they wanted to do initially. If they had more time and money Dark Souls 2 could have been even more successful (especially because DS2 originally was supposed to be a open world Souls game).
@@DavidDavidson587
that's what i mean. it tried to be an open world game, failed, and suffered the consequences
the game is a mess or randomly thrown together concepts cuz they had to use what they already made to make a different game
@@Tulip_bip Okay...that's a fair point. But I will still always think of DS2 as my favorite Souls game. Despite what they weren't able to do I don't think it's a "mess".
@@Tulip_bip Also while Elden Ring certainly is unique and innovative, it still is lacking a lot of things that the Souls games have (like covenants, more fleshed out worlds [in terms of like who is aligned with who and what's "good" or what's "evil", imo]), etc. Elden Ring will have to get updated a few times and then release some dlc's before I consider it a finished game.
the editing is better than the facts, and i think thats just because your editing stye has grown so good
Never thought I'd hear the dive theme in one of your videos that's awesome
Thank you for using the water level music from Ristar. Love this.
I can bet he is BUILDing something for us
Something... MIRACLEous
I see you have FAITH in a miracle build, but I don't think we will see another one for a very long time.
11 months later and we still dont have the useless elden ring lightning data why old man
You make the greatest content. Love you old man.
Ngl the "why can't you just be normal?" Part got me good.
8:29 I'm pretty sure this doesn't change anything, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that area in Bloodborne is oil, rather than water. But I could be misremembering of course
Finally, you’ve defeated pinwheel! That reminds of that psycho dude, what was his name?.. Jerga? Or was it Jenga? Hmm
Very interesting, thought I knew everything about dark souls 1 but that gliding frog ray was rad to see
"Screams in Adaptability" is perhaps the best thing ever recorded in a written language.
Finally! No elden ring. I'm broke as hell and I don't care how much time it takes but I'm playing that game spoiler-free. Also great video as always old man, you still got it.
Well worth it. I saved money and played it like 3 months later completely blind. Lots of fun.
too much water
This was such a wholesome and fun video.
Great stuff!
Nice, Dark Souls II showing again why it is BESTO Souls while giving us grace inheriting his awesome DNA into Dark Souls II-2.
Another video reminding us that Dark Souls 2 was mechanically ahead of his time and we didn't properly appreciate it when it came out 😔
I'll never get tired of the sound clips from Trumpet fight
What an intro...
Talk about awesome!!
Yep thats an instant click for me thank you limit
Honestly, I think they could implement quote-unquote "Water" levels. They can make minor adjustments to attacks, you automatically sink and can use Elden Ring 'jump' mechanic to swim up. And the weight system can effect it as well with the more 'heavy' you are the quicker you sink but harder to swim up. With 'Overloaded' making you sink like an actual rock and be unable to swim at all.
Sonic showed if a game has a very fast and cool gameplay a water level would be bad
Unless it's Hydrocity from Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Last two water levels were Shrine of Amana and that fucking Blitzball sniper. I'd rather they keep away from the concept.
Ah some good quality time with old man always makes my day
Ah! I've been waiting for the Limit Breakers beach episode!