My new Porsche... is already broken.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- I wanted to talk about some of my initial impressions of my new 2024 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 so far… what I like and don't like about the car and the ownership experience so far. But then, the car broke down on me on the freeway. It's only a month old, with just 333 miles on the odometer.
Has your brand new Porsche broken down or have to be taken back to the dealer early in its life? Share your experiences in the comments section. What do you think is wrong with the car and what can I expect from Porsche? Let me know your thoughts.
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That dealer experience is not acceptable. Contact Porsche North America. As for the car, I had a 991.1 S with similar symptoms when the car was about 7 years old. Fuel pump went bad. To Porsche's credit, they covered it even though the car was out of the 6-year extended warranty. My current 718 Spyder is about 3.5 years old. 6k miles on it. Zero issues.
Your first call should have been to your Porsche Sales Person & Service Manager. My 718 GTS 4.0 arrived with a small scratch on the paint surface. I completed the purchase, and they offered to provide me with a loaner to take for a week (2022 911 Carrera S). I didn't need a loaner, but I was definitely tempted to accept it.
A couple of things to note:
If you let the car sit for some time, you will get the dreaded 'Charging System' warning light at some point. I suggest purchasing a battery trickle charger.
Take a look at Matt's TH-cam video on 'Obsessed Garage.' He has a good video on installing the Y-Connector for the battery charger/conditioner, or you can use the connector for the cigarette charging port.
Hopefully, the PPF shop reviewed the disclaimer with you for PPF'ing the Porsche headlamps and the potential delamination issues. Also, most shops give a 10%-30% discount for PCA members. In this case, it makes the entire car less expensive to PPF versus the cost for the 1/3.
Finally, you might consider purchasing a set of grill screens/protectors for the front radiator opening. I've personally witnessed the result of a 718 GT4 radiator catching a pebble at highway speeds and causing a radiator leak ($1,450).
Is there a way to search a list of those shops you claim give discounts for PCA members?
thanks for the tips! I did consider a lot of those things, and discussed the potential headlight issues with both mysalesman and the PPF installer. It kind of came down to, do you want the headlights protected from rocks and debris, or risk that for an issue that might or might not come up (the delamination)? For what its worth, I had same installer (Premier) do the headlights of my Lexus some 18 years ago, and have not regretted it. The headlights still look amazing and clear and I have had no reason to remove the film. Same for my 2016 Subaru BRZ, they did the headlight PPF and they look great 8 years later. So my money is on the PPF.
I'm still considering the grill protectors, have to do some research on it to see what the options are.
@@malinois71, Some companies advertise it, some you have to ask. The PCA member site also has a list of companies that offer discounts.
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Yeah. A magic mic would be helpful. And balance the levels when you're doing the voice over.
Yeah DJI mic 2
I heard it all.
Yes, you are correct, it's dreadful
I had a very expensive annual service (brake pads, oil change, etc) and minor warrantee work on a 2022 STO from Walnut Creek. I asked about a loaner car and they said, 'Well there is a Hertz across the street." Looking forward to hearing what happens next with hopefully a happy ending. Thanks for sharing it's a beautiful car.
Geez, yeah I keep hearing stories about people who paid far more for an exotic car and also get treated poorly, so perhaps I am still ahead of the game? LOL perhaps I have high expectations, I think we all should be treated better. Appreciate your thoughts!
Sorry to hear about the new Cayman. Had a 2018 CPO Cayman that i purchased in 2020, the turbo charger and water pump went out on it 2023, Porsche replaced in two days, gave me a 2023 911 with less than 500 miles on it. I recommend talking to the dealer manager, they need to make it right.
yeah I want to give them the chance to make it right, if the car can be fixed quickly I'll let it go, but if this becomes a drawn out thing I will definitely be more vocal about it.
There is a 12V access port in the passenger foot well. Invest in a Porsche trickle charger, plugs into a standard wall outlet, the other end in the foot well port & forget about it. Mine is currently being stored like that for the winter as I live in the NE.
I have the same engine in my GT4 and I’m used to the clack noises you pointed out but not the hiss. I was alarmed when I heard it and suspect that is not normal. I will be interested in what the verdict is on the issue. I’ve had a number of Porsche products and they all have been bulletproof. Sorry you are having the problem out of the gate. It will get fixed and don’t despair. They are worth the wait.
so sorry to hear about your terrible experience, I got my Boxster 2 years ago, and luckily my ownership experience is flawless! Watching your video, I think when you heard the hissing and clacking sounds when you opened or unlocked this door, that indicated something wrong, mine doesn't have that, and I would contact Porsche dealer and service center immediately to check what's going on.
I've never seen or heard that on any review before and was wondering wtf that was!
I have a 2023 gts 4.0 and an engine mount went bad after 1000miles. It was changed at a dealer at no cost very quickly, approximately 2 hours. I still think its a great car! These things happen. In your case, it is most likely not a big deal. Maybe a faulty coil plug if the car went to limp mode, although you will usually have a red code, your car in the video showed a yellow code, so it should not have gone into limp mode. You can also sometimes have condensation in the vaccum hoses causing this yellow code. I have had this happen in my other cars, and then the code goes away.
Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Drive and enjoy your car! But then again, Porsches are not for everyone.
The suspense is killing me! Do you have a diagnosis yet? Very sorry to hear about the problems. The disappointment is palpable. Was the car built on the new Osnabrűck production line?
It’s the TH-camr Porsche curse, Nick Murray had issues with both of his new Porsches too.
Also happened to Sam Fane from Seen Through Glass. Stuck on the side of a French freeway with a broken brand new GT3! It all got fixed though and he’s delighted.
That blows...sorry about this experience. PCNA will take care of you...give them a call. I connect a Schumacher 3 amp 12V battery maintainer to my 2016 GT4 when not driving... there is a 12V socket located in the passenger footwell just below the center console. This works flawless...had my car for 5+ years now.
My 2024 CGTS needs a brand new transmission at 2600 miles and has been sitting at my dealer for almost a a couple weeks now waiting for the new part to arrive from Germany. The dealer at least gave me a loaner.
Sorry to hear about your experience. I’ve been in a similar boat with my 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0
I’ve had constant issues since quite literally day 1.
Airbag warning light, pressure plate failure, lane change assist module failure, leaking CV axle, leaking engine oil from improperly torqued timing chain tensioner bolt at the factory.
aww man that sounds awful. Is your dealership/Porsche taking care of you?
These are mass produced, high performance machines. Sometimes it’s just bad luck - but the reality is .1% of new cars are going to have issues in the first 1k miles.
Reach out to Porsche USA customer care team. They’ll sort you out faster than TH-cam commenters. GL
Thanks, I actually called Porsche USA today and although the lady I spoke to was very nice and sympathetic, she said she actually couldn't do anything for me at the moment. 1) She said that with regard to loaner cars or rental cars, that is the choice of the individual dealership whether they can provide them or not; 2) their ticketing system or database was completely down and they could not open a ticket or register any complaints on my behalf at this time. She didn't take my name or car info down at all, just told me to call back on Monday. Unbelievable... I'm truly dumbfounded.
@@86drive86well, if their system is down, is understandable that she advised you to call back instead of jotting down your information on paper. Don’t give up.
Here in the uk its part of an insurance package included for recovery and assistance at least with new or dealer purchased used for 2 years.
Sorry to say I’ve also had experience of it.
I totally agree with the poor dealer service and not getting a loaner......
Cigarette trickle charger that plugs into footwell, use it every winter for my 992. Easy fix.
Sorry to hear your day got ruined. I agree that Porsche should have done better to mitigate the problem. The only disappointment I had from ordering my first Porsche early 2022 was they took away the option for the LA delivery experience for $500. It was only offering it to 911’s and Taycan’s purchases at the time. After delivery I took my Cayman down to LA for my own experience. As I was approaching the grapevine I noticed that I had just gone pass the 1000 mile mark and as the Porsche gods had intend two cars suddenly appeared in my rear view a 2nd gen R8 and a Dodge Challenger hellcat for a gentleman’s race. Long story short I smashed on both of them and was surprised how quick the 4.0 is. Maybe it was the massive hills or the curvy stretch on roads up and down the grapevine that gave me an advantage but it was amazing. The whole week in LA I was driving it like I stole it. I did some nice Canyon runs at Angeles Crest and Mulholland Drive. I did notice after coming home that I had burned a whole quart of oil maybe it was the multiple triple digits days or the constant redlining. 😮
I think at one point I saw that the PECLA experience was available for $200 ... I totally would have done it for that price but now it is priced at $2000. For that much yeah I can skip it and do my own track day instead. Love your story, sounds like you had a great time down there. Hope I can do something similar someday.
Yeah that is very disheartening. My sub-$40k Lexus, the cheapest model they sold, had me treated very well. If they were out of loaners, whether for service or minor warranty work, they would get me a rental from the next door Hertz. Porsche really dropped the ball. I would be reaching out to corporate.
oh bad, i have exactly the same car (I have PDK) since June 2023 and have now 2100km after I drove it gently not over 3000 Rpms. I had absolutely nothing to complain so far and I hope it will stay like this.
For your front PPF is there any seams along the leading edges? Had mine done in Fremont too but at another vendor and the front bumper has a seam on the passenger side between the wheel arch and passenger side air intake
No seams on mine that I can see. You really cannot tell that the front is PPF'd. I obviously don't have the car right now but you can see in all the video footage I shot of the front end. The place I use (Premier) is very very meticulous and one of the best installers in the industry as far as I am concerned. They do seamless wraps that others cannot do because of their skill and experience. People with million dollar cars bring their cars to them. I probably paid more than you did for my PPF, they are not cheap. But I have used them for my previous cars so I know they are worth it for the quality install they do.
@@86drive86When you say Premier do you mean Wilson's shop? If so, do you get ClearGuard Alpha? Also what did you pay? I'm waiting on my CGTS to get on a boat and I tried to get a hold of them and no replies on email and one time on the phone it was super rushed and no quote at all. I think your car might be on their TH-cam channel Shorts.
@@malinois71 yes Premier in Fremont. I dealt mostly with David in scheduling the appointment, perhaps Wilson was busy or not around when you reached out to them. I did meet Wilson when I dropped off the car, they've both been great. For the coverage I got (as described in the video), I paid about $4150.
@@86drive86 I must have missed where you described that. Was that full PPF or like the common track pack...aka high impact areas?
That is so crazy man I have owned four different 718s two Cayenne and two Macan and I have never had not one single problem with any of them not one nothing. My dealership is so amazing when I going for service even if they don’t have a car they give me a manager car, you need to complain to the general manager and to Porsche directly. This is unacceptable.
Awww…gts4.0 was my dream car!
Where did you get the metal Cayman silhouette that you have on your wall?
it's from www.petrolvibes.com/ - really nice and well made but a bit on the expensive side. Also it ships from Europe so it can take a few weeks to make and arrive. Really happy with it though and it gets a lot of compliments. I got the 31"/80cm size. I also got one for my MR2, they have lots of popular cars to choose from.
my 4 mr2s have never left stranded. over 200k miles combined… mr2 the only choice :D… sucks though hope everything turns out okay
I want a mr2 but can’t fit. The one time I hate being tall
Say it isn’t so! Sorry to hear the news. Now I have anxiety about my 718 that’s due for delivery in March. I also agree with you and the commenters that say Porsche dropped the ball. I’ve had a Jag, Bimmer and currently a Merc and ALL have done me right when it came to a loaner. If they didn’t have one, they’d set me up with a local rental. I’ve never been left “stranded”. That said… sadly, I’m not surprised. I haven’t even recieved the car yet but the experience with my dealership from the beginning has been underwhelming compared to the level of support I’ve gotten at other manufacturers. Best of luck! Hope this all gets resolved quickly for you so you’re able to get back on the road and enjoy this beautiful machine.
Sorry to hear about your initial disappointing experience, I have a 2015 BGTS and it has been flawless (one recall for rear suspension mounting part with suspicious metallurgy quality) and Newport Beach gave me a Macan for a few days so it's been a great experience so far, 24,000mi.
Low battery voltage causes weird things to happen, it will be very interesting to find out your problem.
I wish I could have advised you before the PPF, at least for the 981 there was a Tech Bulletin on not putting it on the headlights because it interferes with coatings applied in manufacture if/when it must be removed. Mine was purchased Certified in 2017 and they had removed previous PPF (because they don't want to warranty PPF) but they left it on the headlights so we'll see what happens. The paint that seems to take the most punishment is around the side air intakes (esp. aft edge) and areas aft of the wheel wells.
NOCO makes a Genius5 battery charger, reconditioner, maintainer with available cigarette lighter plug that will simplify that task. It's high quality and cheaper than the Porsche unit, and probably more versatile. Glad to see you bought a Porsche that "needs" you (manual), who wants to pay all that money and let R2D2 have half the fun? Beautiful color, congratuations! predicting better times ahead.
If it makes you feel any better, my neighbor’s Tesla Model Y is only a year old and is on its third battery pack. Also no loaner, no car, but the payments continue. At least your car is cool! First world problem, but the Cayman 4.0 is pretty much the best sports car money can buy and worth waiting for.
my upgraded leather came with slices and some warps. youre right that its not what you expect when you finally get one. hope they sort yours out quick.
What leather option did you get? Did Porsche fix it?
@@malinois71 they replaced one panel but I’m ignoring two panels because I don’t want them further pulling apart a brand new car. It is what it is.
@@carminered Was this this natural leather option?
@@malinois71 yea full natural leather. Small 3-5mm clean slices in 3 separate panels.
@@carminered wow, I'd either want it all replaced or some money taken off the price
I've got a '22 CGTS 4.0 with over 10K miles now. Mine makes the exact same noises as yours when you unlock it and open a door - that's totally normal according to all my research. It seems to be more noticeable when the car sits in the garage for a week without being driven.
I'm sure that Porsche will get your car back on the road as quickly as they can. One time my car went into limp mode after a short stop (so the engine was still warm). Freaked me out, but the car was fine after I stopped and restarted it. Oh, and one other time the A/C didn't work...same fix (restart the car). Other than that, no issues! I love the car, and the sound between 4K and 8K is glorious, especially if you get aftermarket OAPs (I got Akra ones). My car has done 8 track days and at least that many autocrosses. I'm on my second set of tires (Michelin Cup2's this time) and brakes (Porsche OE).
As for the trickle charger, just plug it into the cigarette lighter socket in the passenger footwell and close the door on the cord. That panel hiding the battery just unsnaps and lifts out...just give a tug on those two small handle/slots at either side of the cover. When you put it back, you have to pinch the rubber seal around the top side of the frunk with your fingers to get the cover to sit under the rubber seal. I usually leave that cover off when I'm going to the track, since I want to be able to do a quick visual check on the brake fluid reservoir.
Ctek 5.0 tender with the cig adapter is the way to go
Looks like you have the smoking package, so you can run a battery tender through the lighter in the center console.
That sucks. You should be able to push for a rental if loaners are all out. Looks like we have similar builds. I'm at 5k without any issues so far. I make it a point to either trickle chage it or drive it every few weeks.
Sorry to hear about the car. My 718 GTS 4.0 needed a new sensor system for the rain sensors. Finding a place to deal with it under warranty was a pita with a 1+ month wait in 2022. Service appointment for the annual oil change was a 3+ week wait but I managed to score a loaner Macan from Stevens creek. Many other dealers had 1-2 month wait in 2022.
You’ll likely love it to death once you break it in. The engine sounds are absolutely divine.
I’ll note I did sell the car and flipped the funds into a gr86 and a type r which both individually see a lot more daily miles. Less worries. Less anxiety over the car. I still deathly miss it.
yeah it's a bittersweet feeling, I do hear about some owners who love(d) driving their cars but the anxiety and aggravation of dealing with reliability and mechanical issues led them to sell or return their cars. Waiting 3-8 weeks for routine maintenance seems wild, but perhaps that's unfortunately consistent with the experience you have while waiting to buy one? Ugh.
I always envisioned the exotic car ownership experience to be like that, but I had hoped that something more attainable like Porsche was going to be different. We'll see, it's still early days and I haven't given up yet.
@@86drive86could be worse from a dealer support standpoint. Imagine if you ran into a problem with a lotus emira. There’s like 3 Bay Area dealers? Compared to nearly a dozen Porsche dealers and countless independent shops.
Beautiful car.
Theres a Porsche trickle charger that plugs into the cigarette lighter. super easy to use and don't have to pop the front plastic cover ever. I run it whenever I leave my car for longer than a week. the cayman interior is a little dated tbh, but the exterior looks great! Sorry to hear the car stopped working :(.
yeah I already have a Noco Genius 1 trickle charger that I did a video review for a few years back, it supports AGM batteries so I was planning to use that. But perhaps if it becomes too much of a hassle to remove the cover I may get the proper charger that goes into the cig lighter plug.
@86DRIVE, what was the diagnoses of the 718?
The next video goes into the details, but they were not able to determine cause of the fault. The code said throttle body malfunction, but they inspected everything and could not find any issues. So they reset the computer and gave it back to me.
Really sucks that this happened. Hopefully the issue is fixed easily and not a precursor to more issues like mine had. Porsche is supposed to be a super reliable brand but my and your experience both has shown that its maybe not as reliable as people make it out to be. It sucks as these are our dream cars and unfortunetly i had to get rid of mine. Lets hope yours doesnt get to that point and you have a trouble free ownership after this gets resolved.
thanks, yeah I still have a lot of love for Porsche but this experience (and hearing about yours) is putting a sour taste in my mouth. Fingers crossed that this is resolved without too much pain and we can put it behind us.
@@86drive86 crossing my finger for you. I hope to get back into another Porsche soon as i didnt get enough of that amazing driving experience. I hope you'll get to keep yours for as long as you want it.
Man, that sucks. I know the feeling. I bought a new VW and when I pulled into my driveway a CEL came on. I was sick to my stomach.
seriously, when you bring home a brand new car you expect it to be perfect or nearly perfect. This kind of issue should not be happening in the first month of ownership.
No loner? Can't look for days? Porsche of Walnut Creek should be embarrassed. I feel for you bro.
I had this same issue when I got my Porsche and had to take it in the first month. No loaner either. I was disappointed as BMW gives me a loaner for flat tires and oil changes.
I suggest you contact Porsche customer service (not the dealer but corporate), and give them a them your feedback. Be fair but firm in your feedback. They may offer some form of compensation for your inconvenience. Hopefully this is a one off and your GTS has nothing but trouble free miles after this. I had a 2019 Audi RS3 that was on the verge of becoming a lemon due to repeated failures of the virtual cockpit .Long story short, my consistent communication with Audi corporate, plus good documentation had Audi pay me $4300 asides from repairing the issue under warranty. I did sell back that car to the Audi dealer after that to get rid of it.
I second this suggestion about contacting Porsche corporate. I understand even new cars sometimes fail but the lack of offering a loaner or rental for the inconvenience is absolutely ludicrous. The dealership you brought this to should be embarrassed for not offering a loaner on a car with 300 miles that needed to be towed in. Keeping my fingers crossed I never have to go through this with my new Porsche.
Very aggravating. Sorry to gear. I have a 22 718 S manual and zero issues 5k miles and track. Much of the experience is the dealer support so hope they step up. We get loaners at our dealership even for reg maintenance.
Just bought at 24 gts 4.0 so I am leery-wish I watched this before.
yeah I don't understand how they can not have loaners or step up to give a rental in such circumstances. maybe only the squeaky wheels get the grease. Still hopeful that it is a quick and easy fix but we'll see.
I don't know man you might have just gotten bad luck on bad luck, obviously any brand but especially Porsche should be prepared for stuff like this but you can't be too mad, it definitely seems like you got the short stick in this situation as other people talk about how Porsche gave them loaners during services.@@86drive86
You schedule your maintenance weeks in advance, so the dealership can allocate you a loaner. They do not have loaners lurking around. My 22 GTS 4.0 has been totally trouble-free in the past 19k miles.
Balance the sound please!
Love the color of your car!! Shark or Voodoo? BTW, as a creator I would suggest you turn your background music down a bit. I had a tough time hearing you on a few parts of the video! What a car!!
yes, Shark Blue. I know it's hard to tell the difference, and to be honest I would have loved Miami Blue if it was still available on the Cayman. But not at PTS prices lol. Thanks for the feedback on the sound, I did struggle with getting that mixed properly this time.
Disappointed to hear your story with your new Porsche Cayman. It’s supposed to be a great time and you were heading out for what was going to be a nice lunch… wishing you all the best.
I have a 2015 981 GTS and had no technical issues so far. If I had your experience, I would feel 100% the same as you do. Nobody should ever experience a technical issue, resulting into getting towed with just 300 miles on the clock. This is totally unacceptable for a premium car.
Thank you, glad I am not out of line here. What makes it especially frustrating is, this was the first roadtrip I was taking in the new car with my wife up to Napa, we were supposed to be having a wonderful trip up to wine country and a nice lunch, and instead we are stranded on the side of the freeway and waiting for a tow truck. I'm just incredibly disappointed with how things have gone so far.
@@86drive86 I have total sympathy for your situation. I drive my 981 mainly on the weekends for fun times - thus I have only 16,000 miles on the clock for a 2015 car. I do oil changes every 2500 miles, and maintain the car in like new conditions. I have a skilled mechanic who comes to my house and does all the service work. I do believe (based on the reliability ratings), that the Cayman is a rather reliable car. So, let's hope, you have a very minor issue that gets fixed, followed by peace of mind and a good ownership experience. My experience with Porsche dealers has been rather disappointing. I always sense some sort of arrogance or entitlement on their behalf (feels like "we are Porsche and you can be lucky that we still service you". Since most of their clients are well off, they charge high prices, knowing that there is no resistance - just an easy signature since their customers do not want to pick a "petty fight". There is very little "salesman ship" and "the customer is king" attitude. I find this totally unacceptable as well. The brand arrogance is outrageous.
@@86drive86 First of all: you have a beautiful car! I feel your pain and frustration, but try to be positive: Porsche will fix your car and you will be taking countless trips to Napa with your wife. I drove a 2010 Cayman S PDK for 130K miles without major issues. It was my daily for 11 years. My current car is a 2022 GTS 4.0 PDK, very similar to yours: Shark blue/Espresso. 19K miles and no problems so far.
U live in stonebrae? Im in stonebrae.
Yes! What do you drive? If I spot you I'll wave hi!
@@86drive86 I love cars too, I drive i4 m50.
This is very bothersome. I was going to order a 718 this weekend but this happening to you and others will cause me to pause and investigate further. Please keep us updated and so sorry for the experience so far.
im looking for a 718 also, its hard to look at other cars even with stuff like this happening though 😂.
Fully appreciate that you are disheartened but please don’t turn this into an anecdotal rant. Look at JD Power for the data. Not to say i don’t feel your pain but it will be fixed all under warranty then just drive and enjoy what is an amazing driving experience
Aren't most videos on TH-cam essentially anecdotal rants? LOL in all seriousness I will try to be cautiously optimistic that this will get resolved and I can forget about the negatives when I have the car back. I will try to focus on facts and not feelings most of the time, but let's be real, most of TH-cam is about entertainment and sharing an experience, not news or journalism. I think those who are watching this video, are curious and want to know what the ownership experience is like, and I'm going through it as a first time Porsche owner, and I guess some people are interested in hearing about it. Appreciate your feedback.
Two thumps up! We need reports like this for perspective.
its tyres im having trouble with
You are riding hard on your disappointment, how is the law in the US ?
You don’t have a mobility warranty?
Here in Germany they have to keep you mobile (if you are covered under the warranty) but there is still a few days given to them to sort it out to organise a solution, it’s absolute unrealistic that all dealers need to have cars waiting around at any time for all possibilities.
But I can tell you that all these sounds are not normal, none of our 981 and 982 had any issues and none of these had made any of that „clack“ noises
Maybe you are one of the unlucky 1-2% of new car owners
Make the dealer take it back re: lemon Law
the Lemon Law is a little different in each state, but here in CA I think it requires that you have brought the car in for the same problem multiple times, or have your car sitting in the shop for over 30 days before you can return it under the Lemon Law. My car was at the dealership for a week, so it doesn't quite meet the eligibility yet and hopefully it never will.
Lower the background music
I've owned a 911 of most Models since 1971.I'd demand a Full Refund. VERY Disappointing. No Quality since 2010.Since VAG took over.
Should have bought an LC500
My new Overpriced Porsche... is already broken.
on the one hand, yeah it's overpriced. on the other... there are plenty of people waiting in line to get one.
@@86drive86 Yep I was one of those but I regret. Hope your car is fixed.
Man, if you don't like Porsche switchgear, just wait until you experience Ferrari
Bro, ditch that clunker and buy the LC.
LOL I love my Lexus (I assume you're talking about the LC500) but as sports cars go Lexus doesn't make anything really comparable to a 718. An LC is sweet but it's a grand tourer/cruiser not a sports car. If they ever made a Lexus version of the Supra I would totally consider that.
@@86drive86 For your trips to Napa, the LC500. For the pure sporting experience, the ND Miata. I was looking at a 2015 Cayman S, but went with the reliable and fun ND, and I'm totally happy.
Cars have so much plastic components that they will 💩 out At some point 😢
VW Quality,💩, Porsche is the cash cow for them, unfortunately, making me think if I should go ahead with my allocation and skip it
If you decide to skip your allocation let me know.
Just California owner things.. film yourself for attention like a girl. Best of luck on it getting fixed but come on..
He’s letting us know that he spent $100k + on a new vehicle and what happened. It’s called TH-cam. Don’t like it? Don’t watch.
I’ll take the “California owner thing” over your useless stereotypical comment that provides nothing in return any day.
Damn bro, where did California touch you?
@@Haloruler64😂😂😂
time to go for Supra..... Shame on you, Porsche!