Great video. I found the same shortcoming of the komplete kontrol also to be the lack of dedicated screen, so i decided to put a smaller second screen behind of my s61 and drag the komplete kontrol interface over to it - the great thing is that every instance will pop up on that 2nd display when i click the browse button and now it doesn't block the main screen when you have the browser open. Its now a lot more like having the maschine studio browser inside ableton, in fact i would say without that 2nd display it would be a complete pain in the ass to use. I like the integration with ableton live, it works well when you put a few channels with blank komplete kontrol instances on them, move between them and arm clips for recording on the push 2. The akai does look like a better product in terms of layering and 3rd party support etc, but the lightguide on the kontrol is really useful for those large native instruments libraries especially for finding those hidden keyswitches (usually in red)
Nice setup man! Yeah, I mostly just use it with Maschine, but that definitely sounds cool. Now that they added browsing to the controller as well it's much better.
Fabulous review, man. I think you totally sold me on the Akai for the same reasons you like it. Plus it supports my go to synth: Omnisphere. Nuff said!
I tried the Komplete S49 and I have to say the integration with plugins is pretty amazing. I couldn't imagine if it had a display screen. I was able to load presets with ease. Still trying to decide on the 49 or the 61 key.
So I originally had the S61 MK2 Komplete Komtrol board. I sold it. But I did buy Komplete 11 because they gave me a voucher for 50 percent off. Thing is, browser for presets is still faster with the up and down key on your computer keyboard. I loved it, but I'm open to something like this now more because I use Ableton.
just adding some information : if you need some tutorials for Alesis VX49 and upcoming M-Audio CTRL49 and cannot find it, look for ADVANCE tutorial. it is basically the same thing. most of his review for Akai Advance is also apply to Alesis VX49 anyway, I have one VX49 if you ask. and also their software is getting more and more stable for now. They have pushed VIP update 2.1.
Much appreciated brother. I've been using more soft synths lately, and it's been tedious using the mouse/keyboard. I've searched high and low, and recently stumbled across these two. You've answered all the questions I've had concerning them, and then some.
lol I was exactly looking for a comparison between those two keyboards this week because I wanna buy one of those. I think I´ll buy the Akai Advance 49 basically because of the browser on the hardware/ software, the pads and because of the great integration with a LOT of 3rd party plugins I use all the time.
thank you guys being that i am an Akai MPC Renny User i think its a no brainer for me your video broke down important topics for me as far as how many plugins come with the Advance as well as how many programs i can intergrate with including kontakt .....im sold .. Great Video
Thanks for the review / Comparison, I love Native Instruments synths and libraries but I use a lot of 3rd party plug in's so I gonna go for the AKAI advance that give the opportunity to map any plug in, also the MIDI limitations of the Komplete Kontrol are definitely another reason to go for the Akai Advance. Thanks man!
Exactly what I needed to see! Thanks brother for your review and demo of both of these boards... I was on the fence between these 2, but now I'm leaning toward the Akai... Well done!!
In regard to a point you made about USB/MIDI use, I have easy access to BOTH software sounds AND hardware gear, simply by loading up my DAW (SONAR, in my case) and setting up a few tracks routed to the gear/softsynths I want to use - works out great, and it's so simple - and STILL, only the single USB cable!
I hear ya, but what if I'm not using a DAW? What if I just want to use it as a MIDI controller to play hardware without routing through software? I guess it just depends on how you're working, thanks for watching.
definitely one of the most insightful reviews/comparisons i've seen for anything. i can't afford either right now anyway but i'm so glad i watched the whole video.
I'm a fan of both products (currently own the Advance25) and I've been debating on adding the Komplete Kontrol 61 (because of LightGuide + Chords) to my setup; That way I'll have both technology and whatever improvement they will add in the future. However, I'm a bit skeptic on the route that N.I. took with integration of third party VST's. I mean, what if NKS doesn't take off? That will burn and stink a bit! Software wise at the moment, there's no denying it, V.I.P is the clear winner especially with their 1.1 update which automatically push new VST presets to the software as they become available. No need to even visit their forum looking for new stuff anymore. So much more is going in V.I.P; the Kontrol software is currently dull. Great detailed comparison. Keep up the good work!
+DRKLight DJ-Producer Yes I agree, if you have a lot of plugins Akai is the way to go. Also if you don't use Maschine Akai is definitely the way to go. As a Maschine user the KK does make sense, it's powerful with that combo but just comparing both keyboards the Akai is a better setup, more flexible, and supports more users due to how many plugins they support.
Excellent review. I think the answer (for me) is to wait until NI or Akai makes the updates you've recommended. I would also like to see the light guide and scale mode become an industry standard and see other manufacturers do this (because, let's face it... we all use Kontakt and this is extremely useful for it). Thanks, STJ!
+lb editor To be honest though, you can use the light guide and scale mode with all the VSTi's you have as long as you open them up in komplete kontrol software.
I actually don't use Kontakt much, so the light guide doesn't bother me, especially since it should be muscle memory. However, scales and chords features would be beneficial to most people, including me.
Bradley Olinger I would find the light guide more useful for key triggers, as my knowledge of scales is pretty good. Kontakt in particular often has multiple sets of triggers from different keyboard keys and it would be helpful to know when I am getting too far down the keyboard and start triggering sample changes rather than playing notes.
+lb editor, just saying after a while it should become memory. I use a few Kontakt instruments, but use EW and Sonivox primarily. It's a nice feature but not absolutely necessary. Both controllers are a stone's throw from being an entry level workstation. With VIP, you have three brands to choose from now as well.
Definitely leaning more toward an Akai now. I rely a lot on sound modules as well as virtual instruments for my sound(throwback 80s rock) so definitely need flexibility.
Joe, How do you add your own patches?...Say for Massive or Sylenth....Do they pick up the internal meta tags within each preset?...as having to go in & add your own patches & also their own individual Macro Controls...would for both keyboards send a user over the edge......fair enough for Standard Factory Banks...but what about your own presets?..
+Ally Mac You can go in and import your own/user content into the system, the Akai has an import button and the NI you can import user presets as to show up under the user bank. Tags would still depend on you though, if they are already set they will be imported if you haven't set them you'll have to do it.
Excellent comparative review...well, I pulled the trigger on Komplete Kontrol 61 from Native Instruments...the deciding factor was the ease in which you could map the keys, color code them and assign each mapping it's own MIDI channel output to distinct tracks inside your DAW. The other deciding factors were that I already have several plug-ins that support NKS, the simple user interface when CC assigning knobs and sliders and, lastly, the on-board arpeggiator. To me, it was a "no-brainer"...again, thanks, man!!
Im Glad that I Ended Up with The Akai Advance 49 reason being , I had my eye on the NI Komplete Kontrol, But Ended Up with The Akai and after watching Your Review It really Is a better controller for Me.
Now NI have redesigned their keyboards with dual colour screens and whatever else how do they compare? Akai have released v3 of their VIP. If you have both I'd be really interested to see how they are competing against each other
I tied them Bothe went with Akai I also own maschine maschine has the chord and scale mode built in I didn't really need it on my keyboard. I'm happy with my decision also the MPC touch has been released so it's going to have a great tightly with their software so I feel like I have the best of both worlds.
+Big Drop No doubt fam, definitely depends on what you're looking for. The Kontrol with Maschine is a dope setup, but just comparing keyboard to keyboard then the Akai feels more useful imo. I'm sure NI will update their software in the future too, but I still don't like the fact you can't browse while looking at the keyboards lol.
VERY good review bro...I have the Advance 61 for all of the reasons you mentioned. It intergrates quickly into both hardware and software environments. Thanks for this review...
I been looking for a review like this ever since the Akai Advance came out. For the longest I've been deciding on which one to purchase. I tried both. I'm leaning towards the Advance. One thing I didn't like about the Komplete Kontrol was the touch strips. Great review!!!!
Thanks for mentioning about power supply in NI Komplete Kontrol. I've been ready to buy it, but this moment is really crucial for me. Now looking for some other 49-keys with great keybed, USB powered.
Good review thanks! So it seems that NI have gone down the road of encouraging people to use all their hardware and software while hoping developers will jump on board to assist them with the growth of their own audio station monopoly. Well it worked for Apple phones and tablets I guess. Akai seem to have taken the more flexible road allowing you to use any of the instruments you already have and love which to me seems like a better buy for general music recording. Did you experience any problems with the Akai finding and mapping your instruments? I would also be interested to hear your views on the Novation Impulse controllers compared to the Akai Advanced.
+Geoff C They definitely have different approaches. Both can be used for sure, and really comes down to how you like to work, and if you use a lot of plugins. I didn't have any issues personally with the Akai outside of a graphical issue I mentioned in my review. I'm not a fan of the Impulse but think the SL MKII series feels incredible.
Digiphex Electronics hey! I just bought the ctrl 49 and I liked it but the knobs are very sensitive so sensitive they change setting without you even being near the knobs... its a great piece of equipment but it felt as though it had too much on the keyboard and lost simplicity for me in currently trying out the s49 and to me it seems a lot more simple and concise... the VIP might be better in terms of plug ins but I just feel like is too much that you don't necessarily need to have workflow happen
In the market for a 49 key controller. I was wondering if you've come in to contact with the Akai MPK249 at all and what your thoughts were on that one
Love your videos man. Your reviews are spot on and give a great unbias view of each product you are testing. You’re the reason I didn’t go with either the Push or APC40 MkII. I got both and they work GREAT side by side. That being said AKAI Advanced, definitely. Not taking anything away from the Native keyboard at all. It's a great controller but AKAI nailed it. I use quite a few different plug-in's along with Ableton and integration and the ability to layer sounds within every plug-in seamlessly with the Advance gave a whole new avenue for sound engineering. And that’s been one of the biggest complaints for all us in the world of VST’s, DAW’s and controllers. Integrating the controller with DAW’s and VST’s is a daunting task for these companies. We producers, musicians and sound engineers want that Synth feel where it’s all hands on. Someday a company is going to hit the home run and have the ultimate controller where you basically have a classic Moog synth in front of you with the ability to have massive, easy control over all your software. But for now the Akai Advance line has brought that dream much closer.
I just purchase a Advanced 49 I was looking into the Komplete Kontrol, Nektar P4 also and I came across this vid I just wanna say thanks Bro I really needed this. The Advanced 49 has everything I need. This vid narrowed it down for me.
Rinaldo Jonathan I saw the XV49 the same day I bought the Advance an I liked the Advance work flow and design a little more. Pretty much the same thing but the Advance was exactly what I was looking for.
+J. Troy I'm not sure, I never use plugins in that way, I don't think it did but I could be wrong. I know they also had an update recently so it could have been added in there as well.
I have a question: can sound come directly from the piano or does have to be connected to the computer? Because I want to buy a piano to practice learning but I don't want to have to buy two separate pianos. So can this one play like a regular keyboard? I'm talking about the NI Pianio.
Thanks for all your videos! Really helpful and well put together. I am considering one of these two keyboards atm and was initally going for the Komplete Kontrol and I like the light guide feature + I have the Maschine already. Was somehow disappointed to see they aren't supporting 3rd party VST's even though the list has expanded since this video. I really like the ability to browse all of your sounds on the AKAI. So me for as it stands is: Komplete Kontrol: + Light guide + Maschine integration - Price - Not supporting all 3rd party VSTs Akai Advance: + Ability to browse all sounds and instruments - No light guide I am also looking at the Alessis XV49 which is a bit cheaper. Looks like it has the same VIP software as the Akai Advance. Any thoughts on this?
+Zen6 I haven't used the akai since the review, ended up going with the NI. Honestly the main reason is the light guide, really helps with keyswitches and such when reviewing kontakt libraries lol.
How can you use multiple instances inside Maschine? Each new instance plays on the same midi channel. Can you create multi-layers with each opened instance? How would you set that up?
I went with Native instruments because of It's integration with Maschine. The light guide, with scale and chord functions hits specifically on my reasons for purchase. My music relies on chords heavily, and being able to access and use them so easily, is a no brainer for me. I still finish it all up through Ableton so I don't know if I should get off the grand for K11 Ultimate, but at this point just the regular version will do.
I already have maschine mk2 ,komplete 11, and mpk61 1st gen. Would it be more beneficial to buy the advance61 to expand my sound library versus buying the komplete keyboard?
Hi, the info about NI's MIDI is incorrect. The Native Instruments can be switched to midi-mode w/o unplugging by pressing SHIFT+INSTANCE, you can change the midi channel in the Controller Editor. That would be a deal-breaker if it could not, as many people have stated in the comments about going w/ the akai because of this. Thanks for the comparison video!!!
Maybe they updated it since this video was done (I don't use standalone mode), this was when they first added the MIDI out ability, (standalone/5 Pin output, not to be confused with general MIDI control mode) it it was definitely incomplete. Thanks for watching!
Just one simple question. Can I use those 8 knobs to control Waves plugins? So if KK can work as a regular midi controller it will be able to control plugins.
+SoundsAndGear.com btw how you put it into midi mode? And how about sensitivity of knobs? I mean sometimes a knob rotates a parameter too fast and not smooth. Do KK or AKAI give us an opportunity to change this?
I've also noticed with the NI 25 S keyboard controller, you don't get the extra software found in their larger keyboards. Akai Advanced 25 still comes with their included software in all keyboard ranges and Akai is slightly less expensive. I'm trying to break away from using a computer for music composition anyway as I'm considering something like the Roland FA-06 workstation you had earlier. Great review though, thanks.
Thanks so much for your succinct and comprehensive comparison of these two keyboards ... your video was a breath of fresh air compared to most! Thanks!
I use the Akai Advance49 myself, the only thing i really miss is the description below the knobs that the native instruments has, also the the light guide is something i would love to have on the akai. And ofcourse a 88 key with hammer action and the other features i mentioned on a akai keyboard and i'd get that in an instant! I think the scale function combined with the led support is something very useful for a new musician, it saves you a ton of time learning scales etc when you have everything you need at hand.
I forgot to ask, will the arpeggiator record the actual notes of the arppegiation or just the single note that you press? Similar to the gripe people have been having with Kontrol keyboards...do uou have to load the VIP software to utilize that feature?
+Chenyu Fan The arp is part of the keyboard and not the software. I want to say it recorded the notes but it's been a while since I tested it out so I forgot lol.
+Jonathan Vezina reallly depends on your workflow and what you need. Head to head just the keyboards I'd say Akai, but I use Maschine so the NI is more integrated into my setup that way.
You may have just talked me into the Akai. I have to replace my M-Audio Keystation 88, I am hoping Akai makes an 88 key version in the near future for now I think my next controller will be the Akai Advance 61 Professional. Thank you for proving such clear guidance.
I have an MPC LIVE I currently use it with an M AUDIO 49 in STANDALONE MODE Which you can use plugins provided by AKAI 3 they have are BASELINE ELECTRIC TUBE SYNTH My question is if I were to switch to an AKAI ADVANCE 49 would I be able to access the different sounds from Advance in Midi Mode While in STANDALONE Mode. ?
Right on, Maaan! Thank you for doing the side-by-side breakdown here. I was all but sold on the Kontrol. It DOES mesh up with a LOT of 3rd party plugins now, in 2019. Also, it's Mk2 Revision is PRETTY sweet. HOWEVER... I have always respected Akai from WAY back when I had the AX-80. That synth was PHAT! So.. Thanks to you, I get to go BACk and look at Akai's offerings. I will be using out board, or racked hardware samplers, that ALSO have to integrate with Logic Pro X. thanks dood! I'll get back here and let you know!!
thanks so much for replying :-)...did you get rid of it for komplete kontrol? Care to share what made ya switch. Lastly, how do these compare to the Nektar P which controls your whole daw.Im thinking thinking the akai and Komplete Kontrol are just more fun/ last mapping..your thoughts?
I had both at the time, and the Akai was just a review unit, though I think it's great if you're just comparing keyboards, I use Maschine so the NI ended up being better for me. Plus now the NI has on screen browsing so it makes more sense for me as a Maschine user. But it still doesn't have the external midi flexibility and the layering options of the Akai. I haven't tried the Nektar and they don't map to my main daw which is Ableton
+SoundsAndGear.com ...Thanks Saint Joe..extremely kind of you to take your time and explain; could not have been more helpful..God bless yah brother :-)!
I just ordered the Komplete 88 weighted for the key action and integration with Kontakt. But I will also get a smaller inexpensive keyboard for organs and synths that will work as a controller for multi-layering etc. To me that's the best of both worlds.
Nice man, I will say the s88 has the best keybed for my tastes. I've tried many weighted keys and I feel they got it right, it's not too heavy and not too light. I can still use it for decent synth stuff without any finger fatigue, but it has a nice weight to it for when you want that feeling as well. Not the best for drums of course, but you can get away with it better than on most weighted keybeds.
Quick Question: can you use an external weighted controller on the midi input of the akai so you can have a weighted feel and take advantage of the akai style control? thanks. KT
+James Jones I suppose you could, they are just drum pads. I prefer using dedicated drum pad controllers in general I rarely use the pads on a keyboard.
+KnockSquared but considering that the Akai cost about $100 less for each size and that the Akai is integrated with many more plug-ins and the Akai is completely bus powered puts it waay ahead IMO
SoundsAndGear.com true, but so far it seems like the Akai is capable of everything the Kontrol is capable of except for the light guide. so I can see some people wanting that feature.
planning to buy Akai Advance... gave up on NI komplete S61 when the £80 off deal expired on 08 Jan (hadn't made my mind until then)... i have komplete 9 ultimate - can i use it with akai advance to really make use of all the sound libraries
Great video, very informative. I did no know anything about a MIDI device but bought the AKAI Advance 49 for developing background music for my 3D animation movies. I would like to see a beginner video on the different DAWs and how to use them to get some cool sounds out. Thanks so much.
Thanks for the comparison. It's worth pointing out that the Akai has drum pads. Are they any good? NI clearly expects you to own Maschine. It seems quite naked without a screen or pads. And on that note, it's worth asking how well Maschine integrates with your MIDI devices.
+Django Flaherty The drum pads feel good, but that is never a decided factor for me on a controller personally as I have Maschine and/or other pad controllers. But they are probably the best pads I've felt on a controller over the years. I'm speaking physically about their feel. Maschine works fine with MIDI because you just route via software, not quite the same as what I'm looking for in a MIDI keyboard. I like to be able to switch and play my modules in realtime without having to route anything in software so I need a midi controller that does that easily. Most of them do, especially older ones, not sure why NI made this an afterthought.
Hi. I reinforce what most people say about your videos. You respect your audience's time and get right into it! I'll be using the Akai Advance in Pro Tools 12, and I'll post my comments on this combo. Thanks again.
+Too Future I mean, if you like them both I say why not, I'm all about whatever keeps a person creative. Both can be used to make music for sure, and each has their own strengths/weaknesses.
+Elite Beats - | Hip Hop Instrumentals | Rap Beats all depends on your workflow lol, some people have multiple guitars, or pianos, etc...these are just tools in the end, I say get whatever keeps you creative even if there may be some overlap in function as all devices have their own workflow.
I have really been considering the 61 key Komplete keyboard since I have the Maschine also and will soon have the Komplete 10 Ultimate at my fingertips. The Akai does have some interesting features though. Thank you for your break down of features. On a side note, or question; what desk or stand are you using in this video with both keyboards? This is exactly what I am looking for!
+Brad Penrod Yeah, the NI board is dope if you're using Maschine for sure. I can do all the layering in Maschine instead. My desk is custom, I had it built by azstudioworkstations.com
Dope video! (As is all your vids) A very fair comparison. The Akai joint is serious. I had one for a couple of weeks but for some reason I felt more at home with the Kontrol. Again...Real dope video. Salute!!
Hey saint joe hows it goin man? Hey im comming from the maschine platform as far as expantions and just trying to learn akais expansion s work flow can you do a video on how you would put a song together using the drums and one shots from expansion packs im so used to maschine where you load different kits onto different pads and using pad mode to spread the one shots out thanks i have seen anyone doing it so i can learn the work flow thanks
+SoundsAndGear.com Actually you cannot currently assign a name in place of cc# in a custom mapping on Advance but akai is considering it as I put in a feature request. that way you could properly map external synths and such.
Great review thanks. Would you say the arps is better on Kontrol as it seems to have the ability to vary them slightly with the 'sequence' function? If I had a Maschine mk2 are these same arps and chord facilities built in...so if using Maschine and akai would I have the best of both worlds?
I'm not an arp guy so I don't really use it, but there's definitely some useful stuff. The arp/chord features have the same functionality when hooked to Maschine. The chords are the same and arp options but it just looks a little different in the software compared to how it looks in Komplete Kontrol.
I use the NI S61 MK2 currently, I have not used their new A series keyboards. I like the MK2 series though, with the screens. I think NKS is a bit more integrated for my taste than VIP is, but I haven't tried VIP in a while.
I haven't used the m-audio so I can't say, and I generally control Live with Push or a dedicated Ableton Live controller. I mainly use the keyboards for playing/triggering sounds.
Hi bro. a question. I have seen that you have had the komplete control s and now you have the akay advance. I'm thinking of buying one of them. Which keyboard is best for you? I'm looking for semi-weighted key. Which one has the better key of the two? If you can help me please
I'm a Maschine user and prefer the integration of the NI keyboard as well as the feel of the keyboard overall. However if you need access to external MIDI control and such, the Akai handles that better as well as having a screen. Overall I like the feel of the NI better but I think the Akai is better as an all around MIDI controller...meaning if you need to control external gear directly from it without the computer, etc.
+Chanbeats Only with Kontakt libraries that have colors/keyswitches on them will show on the light guide. The scales and chords work with anything you have loaded through komplete kontrol, unless you route out of komplete kontrol software to another track. But you can load your plugins directly in there if you want to use the scales/chords on them now.
im a dedicated ableton live user. and im looking to branch into komplete because of the instruments(obviously). this being said i was wondering if you had had a chance to look at the M-audio Ctrl 49. its a vip based controller like the advance but with some extra faders and buttons. --would i be better off purchasing komplete 11 full (and trying to integrate my push) -- or should i get the advance, ctrl, or the komplete with select and opt to upgrade further down the road. the only reason im considering kontrol is because its made by native for native. however im absolutely in love with how VIP software functions. so that leaves me torn between the two(ctrl and advance) i feel like the akai team is way more responsive with their product support and growth, but m-audio isnt bad there either. so before i type 10 pages do you have any input.
If you really love VIP, then go for that. You can still use Komplete in the VIP software. Not the exact same experience but each keyboard has it's own workflow, so if you like one more than the other I say go for it. Especially if you're really just interested in Komplete software. I ended up rolling with NI in the end, I'm a heavy Maschine user and that workflow just fits for me. I really dug what Akai did though, and I'm sure it's even better since I did this video.
I have been playing my Maschine Mk2 for almost a year and I want to finally get a keyboard to go with it, would you recommend the Komplete Kontrol s49 to go with it?
i see you have an A4...how easy is it to map params of the A4 to the Akai? I've setup controls in Logic to control my A4, but its iffy at best. additionally, the pads on the Akai can select diff plugs right? can it be setup to load diff MIDI control groups? meaning, if assigning CC to the A4 werks well, can say, PAD 1 on the Akai be set to params on track 1 of the A4, and PAD 2 on the Akai to track 2 on the A4? if so....this is a done deal! how are the pads on the Akai, a lot of controllers have crappy stiff pads. basically unusable. how would KK handle mapping to the A4 params? lastly, the pitch and mod strips on the KK, useable? i prefer wheels, the strips are a huge deterrent. are they great, good enough or not worth it? thanks in advance
I got rid of the A4, and I no longer have the Akai after review, the akai pads were the best I've felt on any keyboard including their old keyboards. I usually never am impressed by pads on a keyboard. The pitch and mod strips are usable, but if you like playing that funky pitch wheel thing you can't really get the same feel.
They work with NKS format libraries, NI has many companies that support the NKS format. I also have custom NKS packs available on maschinepacks.com for Nexus, Omnisphere, and Serum that make them work with the NI boards and Maschine.
Thanks so much for this comparison. It is most helpful! Some have complained that the Akai Advance mappings for third party plug-ins are hit and miss, noting especially the Arturia V collection does not always map presets properly. Have you found that to be the case?
+Jim Buhler I haven't really ran into many issues with the mapping, just that there are only 4 pages of parameters. I do wish the names of the parameters were a little more descriptive as well.
Great Info Joe ..... Really in depth .... You really know your stuff since I suppose you use it regularly for production .... Lot of Reviews say a Lot of shit about the instability of the VIP Software ... poor quality control etc .... What is your opinion / take on this aspect .. ?
+Krishna Sadasivan I haven't had any stability issues outside of what I mentioned in my review of the Advance, mainly graphical issues which could be because I'm on windows 10. But no crashes or anything for me.
It looks to me that the NI keys might be a bit smaller in over all size compared to the Akai is this your observation as well.....Key size to me super important.
I haven't tried it, I still don't think the NI is as flexible in that regard but prefer it overall as a keyboard. I don't use it for external MIDI though.
Thanks, on another note, I saw your review of the Arturia Keylab board. It peaked my interest, however, looking for a 61 keyboard, I found that they are discontinuing the line in favor of a stripped down version.
Yeah they have a new "essential" version, seems to do the same stuff though. They actually sent one over I just haven't had a chance to check it out yet.
They just answered my prayers with a new Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 m.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansicht/preview-maschine-mk3-und-native-instruments-komplete-kontrol-mk2.html
Is it still worth getting one of these(advance 49 and s49 mk2) in 2018 or are there any alternatives? Looking for something that has 49 keys, a good software bundle and that works well with fl studio
so essentially the kk can't really play other vst besides native instruments software unlike a regular midi controller which you can play whatever vst am i correct. because i like the mk2 Komplete Kontrol but i don't want to be limited to only playing NI stuff
I bought the akai and its super amazing and works really good with ABLETON
+Jovan Thanks for checking out the video!
I bought it too. And it also works really good with Live.
can you tell me how to set that my play button in ableton reacts to play button on akai advance?
Great video. I found the same shortcoming of the komplete kontrol also to be the lack of dedicated screen, so i decided to put a smaller second screen behind of my s61 and drag the komplete kontrol interface over to it - the great thing is that every instance will pop up on that 2nd display when i click the browse button and now it doesn't block the main screen when you have the browser open. Its now a lot more like having the maschine studio browser inside ableton, in fact i would say without that 2nd display it would be a complete pain in the ass to use. I like the integration with ableton live, it works well when you put a few channels with blank komplete kontrol instances on them, move between them and arm clips for recording on the push 2. The akai does look like a better product in terms of layering and 3rd party support etc, but the lightguide on the kontrol is really useful for those large native instruments libraries especially for finding those hidden keyswitches (usually in red)
Nice setup man! Yeah, I mostly just use it with Maschine, but that definitely sounds cool. Now that they added browsing to the controller as well it's much better.
Fabulous review, man. I think you totally sold me on the Akai for the same reasons you like it. Plus it supports my go to synth: Omnisphere. Nuff said!
+Mike Rinehart Thanks for watching!
I tried the Komplete S49 and I have to say the integration with plugins is pretty amazing. I couldn't imagine if it had a display screen. I was able to load presets with ease. Still trying to decide on the 49 or the 61 key.
Yeah, pretty well done for sure. Thanks for watching!
It does have a screen now for the Komplete Mk2
So I originally had the S61 MK2 Komplete Komtrol board. I sold it. But I did buy Komplete 11 because they gave me a voucher for 50 percent off. Thing is, browser for presets is still faster with the up and down key on your computer keyboard. I loved it, but I'm open to something like this now more because I use Ableton.
Cool, thanks for watching!
just adding some information : if you need some tutorials for Alesis VX49 and upcoming M-Audio CTRL49 and cannot find it, look for ADVANCE tutorial. it is basically the same thing.
most of his review for Akai Advance is also apply to Alesis VX49 anyway, I have one VX49 if you ask.
and also their software is getting more and more stable for now. They have pushed VIP update 2.1.
+Rinaldo Jonathan thanks for the info!
Much appreciated brother. I've been using more soft synths lately, and it's been tedious using the mouse/keyboard. I've searched high and low, and recently stumbled across these two. You've answered all the questions I've had concerning them, and then some.
Thanks for watching fam, glad to help!
Dude I've been waiting for someone to do exactly this! Thanks a million dude! Leaning towards the Akai after watching this video...
+J. Troy Thanks for watching!
lol I was exactly looking for a comparison between those two keyboards this week because I wanna buy one of those.
I think I´ll buy the Akai Advance 49 basically because of the browser on the hardware/ software, the pads and because of the great integration with a LOT of 3rd party plugins I use all the time.
+Kolic Beatz Thanks for watching fam!
Got mine today
thank you guys being that i am an Akai MPC Renny User i think its a no brainer for me your video broke down important topics for me as far as how many plugins come with the Advance as well as how many programs i can intergrate with including kontakt .....im sold .. Great Video
+Rohn Wright Thanks for watching fam, glad to help!
Thanks for the review / Comparison, I love Native Instruments synths and libraries but I use a lot of 3rd party plug in's so I gonna go for the AKAI advance that give the opportunity to map any plug in, also the MIDI limitations of the Komplete Kontrol are definitely another reason to go for the Akai Advance. Thanks man!
Cool, yeah def depends on how you like to work, both are dope in their own ways just depends on your setup.
Exactly what I needed to see! Thanks brother for your review and demo of both of these boards... I was on the fence between these 2, but now I'm leaning toward the Akai... Well done!!
Thanks for watching fam, glad to help!
In regard to a point you made about USB/MIDI use, I have easy access to BOTH software sounds AND hardware gear, simply by loading up my DAW (SONAR, in my case) and setting up a few tracks routed to the gear/softsynths I want to use - works out great, and it's so simple - and STILL, only the single USB cable!
I hear ya, but what if I'm not using a DAW? What if I just want to use it as a MIDI controller to play hardware without routing through software? I guess it just depends on how you're working, thanks for watching.
Very informative my G, what you say about Alesis VX49? I think it's a nother competitor for the Akai Advance.
Thanks for watching, I haven't tried that one actually. But uses the same VIP software.
definitely one of the most insightful reviews/comparisons i've seen for anything. i can't afford either right now anyway but i'm so glad i watched the whole video.
+Teve Thanks for watching!
I'm mad I sold my Komplete 9 Ultimate... I really am!! That NI Bundle really is worth the money! you get a lot with it.
+ViceVersa Musik LOL, thanks for watching fam.
Great comparison man. Didn't realize Akai was supporting so many plugins!
+Sean Divine Thanks for the comment bro! Yeah, they seem to keep adding more as well.
I'm a fan of both products (currently own the Advance25) and I've been debating on adding the Komplete Kontrol 61 (because of LightGuide + Chords) to my setup; That way I'll have both technology and whatever improvement they will add in the future. However, I'm a bit skeptic on the route that N.I. took with integration of third party VST's. I mean, what if NKS doesn't take off? That will burn and stink a bit!
Software wise at the moment, there's no denying it, V.I.P is the clear winner especially with their 1.1 update which automatically push new VST presets to the software as they become available. No need to even visit their forum looking for new stuff anymore. So much more is going in V.I.P; the Kontrol software is currently dull.
Great detailed comparison. Keep up the good work!
+DRKLight DJ-Producer Yes I agree, if you have a lot of plugins Akai is the way to go. Also if you don't use Maschine Akai is definitely the way to go. As a Maschine user the KK does make sense, it's powerful with that combo but just comparing both keyboards the Akai is a better setup, more flexible, and supports more users due to how many plugins they support.
VIP is peace of S@#$!.
Excellent review. I think the answer (for me) is to wait until NI or Akai makes the updates you've recommended. I would also like to see the light guide and scale mode become an industry standard and see other manufacturers do this (because, let's face it... we all use Kontakt and this is extremely useful for it). Thanks, STJ!
+lb editor To be honest though, you can use the light guide and scale mode with all the VSTi's you have as long as you open them up in komplete kontrol software.
I actually don't use Kontakt much, so the light guide doesn't bother me, especially since it should be muscle memory. However, scales and chords features would be beneficial to most people, including me.
Bradley Olinger
I would find the light guide more useful for key triggers, as my knowledge of scales is pretty good. Kontakt in particular often has multiple sets of triggers from different keyboard keys and it would be helpful to know when I am getting too far down the keyboard and start triggering sample changes rather than playing notes.
+lb editor, just saying after a while it should become memory. I use a few Kontakt instruments, but use EW and Sonivox primarily. It's a nice feature but not absolutely necessary. Both controllers are a stone's throw from being an entry level workstation. With VIP, you have three brands to choose from now as well.
Definitely leaning more toward an Akai now. I rely a lot on sound modules as well as virtual instruments for my sound(throwback 80s rock) so definitely need flexibility.
+Bradley Olinger Cool, thanks for watching!
Joe, How do you add your own patches?...Say for Massive or Sylenth....Do they pick up the internal meta tags within each preset?...as having to go in & add your own patches & also their own individual Macro Controls...would for both keyboards send a user over the edge......fair enough for Standard Factory Banks...but what about your own presets?..
+Ally Mac You can go in and import your own/user content into the system, the Akai has an import button and the NI you can import user presets as to show up under the user bank. Tags would still depend on you though, if they are already set they will be imported if you haven't set them you'll have to do it.
Excellent comparative review...well, I pulled the trigger on Komplete Kontrol 61 from Native Instruments...the deciding factor was the ease in which you could map the keys, color code them and assign each mapping it's own MIDI channel output to distinct tracks inside your DAW. The other deciding factors were that I already have several plug-ins that support NKS, the simple user interface when CC assigning knobs and sliders and, lastly, the on-board arpeggiator. To me, it was a "no-brainer"...again, thanks, man!!
I hear ya, yeah it really depends on which features matter to you most. Thanks for watching and glad I could help!
You back from NAMM?? Any cool new plug-ins close to being released?
I'm back! Didn't see many plugins honestly.
Im Glad that I Ended Up with The Akai Advance 49 reason being , I had my eye on the NI Komplete Kontrol, But Ended Up with The Akai and after watching Your Review It really Is a better controller for Me.
Cool, glad you found something you like!
hey,,, now we have a competition with the new Komplete Kontrol MK 2 keyboard. Looking for ward for your comparison and review
Yeah, it's looking good. I don't have the Akai anymore but still looking forward to checking out the MK2
Is the mk2 much better for controlling your external synths? I remember the mk1 wasn't much good compared to the Akai.
Now NI have redesigned their keyboards with dual colour screens and whatever else how do they compare? Akai have released v3 of their VIP. If you have both I'd be really interested to see how they are competing against each other
I haven't used VIP in a while, I do not have the Akai currently so I can't compare.
nice reveiw brother
thanks for your help
was wondering if you could tell me where you got your studio Desk from? really like the look of it
peace
It's a custom desk from azstudioworkstations.com, great company!
I tied them Bothe went with Akai I also own maschine maschine has the chord and scale mode built in I didn't really need it on my keyboard. I'm happy with my decision also the MPC touch has been released so it's going to have a great tightly with their software so I feel like I have the best of both worlds.
+Big Drop No doubt fam, definitely depends on what you're looking for. The Kontrol with Maschine is a dope setup, but just comparing keyboard to keyboard then the Akai feels more useful imo. I'm sure NI will update their software in the future too, but I still don't like the fact you can't browse while looking at the keyboards lol.
VERY good review bro...I have the Advance 61 for all of the reasons you mentioned. It intergrates quickly into both hardware and software environments. Thanks for this review...
+edgemuzik Thanks for watching!
I been looking for a review like this ever since the Akai Advance came out. For the longest I've been deciding on which one to purchase. I tried both. I'm leaning towards the Advance. One thing I didn't like about the Komplete Kontrol was the touch strips. Great review!!!!
+DeeJay ReGg Word fam, everyone has their own workflow indeed, just trying to show some info on both.
Thanks for mentioning about power supply in NI Komplete Kontrol. I've been ready to buy it, but this moment is really crucial for me. Now looking for some other 49-keys with great keybed, USB powered.
Thanks for watching
Man! I was just going through the comparison and then... Bang! you're review popped up! excellent!
+Brian Holloway Ahahaha, thanks for watching!
im trying to decide between nektar panorama and akai advance , can you give me your opinion please?
I haven't used the Nektar but I know it has some great integration with various DAWs
cool, thanks man
no problem
Good review thanks! So it seems that NI have gone down the road of encouraging people to use all their hardware and software while hoping developers will jump on board to assist them with the growth of their own audio station monopoly. Well it worked for Apple phones and tablets I guess. Akai seem to have taken the more flexible road allowing you to use any of the instruments you already have and love which to me seems like a better buy for general music recording. Did you experience any problems with the Akai finding and mapping your instruments? I would also be interested to hear your views on the Novation Impulse controllers compared to the Akai Advanced.
+Geoff C They definitely have different approaches. Both can be used for sure, and really comes down to how you like to work, and if you use a lot of plugins. I didn't have any issues personally with the Akai outside of a graphical issue I mentioned in my review. I'm not a fan of the Impulse but think the SL MKII series feels incredible.
So how does the AKAI compare to the new MAUDIO ctrl ? I think they both use that VIP software.
I haven't used the MAudio, but they both use the VIP software for sure,
Digiphex Electronics hey! I just bought the ctrl 49 and I liked it but the knobs are very sensitive so sensitive they change setting without you even being near the knobs... its a great piece of equipment but it felt as though it had too much on the keyboard and lost simplicity for me in currently trying out the s49 and to me it seems a lot more simple and concise... the VIP might be better in terms of plug ins but I just feel like is too much that you don't necessarily need to have workflow happen
Interesting. Were there any options to adjust the sensitivity?
In the market for a 49 key controller. I was wondering if you've come in to contact with the Akai MPK249 at all and what your thoughts were on that one
+DirtyPossum23 haven't used that one
Love your videos man. Your reviews are spot on and give a great unbias view of each product you are testing. You’re the reason I didn’t go with either the Push or APC40 MkII. I got both and they work GREAT side by side.
That being said AKAI Advanced, definitely. Not taking anything away from the Native keyboard at all. It's a great controller but AKAI nailed it. I use quite a few different plug-in's along with Ableton and integration and the ability to layer sounds within every plug-in seamlessly with the Advance gave a whole new avenue for sound engineering. And that’s been one of the biggest complaints for all us in the world of VST’s, DAW’s and controllers. Integrating the controller with DAW’s and VST’s is a daunting task for these companies. We producers, musicians and sound engineers want that Synth feel where it’s all hands on. Someday a company is going to hit the home run and have the ultimate controller where you basically have a classic Moog synth in front of you with the ability to have massive, easy control over all your software. But for now the Akai Advance line has brought that dream much closer.
+Rak Hit Thanks for watching fam, I appreciate it!
I just purchase a Advanced 49 I was looking into the Komplete Kontrol, Nektar P4 also and I came across this vid I just wanna say thanks Bro I really needed this. The Advanced 49 has everything I need. This vid narrowed it down for me.
Cool fam, glad to help!
you should've purchased Alesis VX49. It is basically the same thing.
also Alesis VX49 price is the same as Akai ADVANCE 25.
Rinaldo Jonathan I saw the XV49 the same day I bought the Advance an I liked the Advance work flow and design a little more. Pretty much the same thing but the Advance was exactly what I was looking for.
Does the VIP software act as a multi out plugin in a daw? Like Kontakt or ominsphere would?
+J. Troy I'm not sure, I never use plugins in that way, I don't think it did but I could be wrong. I know they also had an update recently so it could have been added in there as well.
I have a question: can sound come directly from the piano or does have to be connected to the computer? Because I want to buy a piano to practice learning but I don't want to have to buy two separate pianos. So can this one play like a regular keyboard? I'm talking about the NI Pianio.
Hey Tarzan, this is a MIDI controller, so it would need to be connected to the computer in order to make sound.
YO Saint JO! Can you get a used akai and still use the VIP software joint?
I'm not sure if you can download the software without a proper license, you'd have to ask them or see if the VIP software is free on their site.
Thanks Great Video...does K Kontrol need the software to make arps, scales and auto chords to work?does the scale lights work with out software?
Yes, they are software features, not hardware based.
Does Akai software have chords feature (where you can play chords with 1 note)?
Not sure I haven't used the VIP software in a while, I thought it did but can't say for sure.
Thanks for all your videos! Really helpful and well put together.
I am considering one of these two keyboards atm and was initally going for the Komplete Kontrol and I like the light guide feature + I have the Maschine already. Was somehow disappointed to see they aren't supporting 3rd party VST's even though the list has expanded since this video. I really like the ability to browse all of your sounds on the AKAI. So me for as it stands is:
Komplete Kontrol:
+ Light guide
+ Maschine integration
- Price
- Not supporting all 3rd party VSTs
Akai Advance:
+ Ability to browse all sounds and instruments
- No light guide
I am also looking at the Alessis XV49 which is a bit cheaper. Looks like it has the same VIP software as the Akai Advance.
Any thoughts on this?
+Zen6 I haven't used the akai since the review, ended up going with the NI. Honestly the main reason is the light guide, really helps with keyswitches and such when reviewing kontakt libraries lol.
How can you use multiple instances inside Maschine? Each new instance plays on the same midi channel.
Can you create multi-layers with each opened instance? How would you set that up?
I opened multiple instances when I had it, there is a way to change instances but I forgot. I no longer have this keyboard.
I went with Native instruments because of It's integration with Maschine. The light guide, with scale and chord functions hits specifically on my reasons for purchase. My music relies on chords heavily, and being able to access and use them so easily, is a no brainer for me. I still finish it all up through Ableton so I don't know if I should get off the grand for K11 Ultimate, but at this point just the regular version will do.
Cool fam, thanks for watching.
Well Elvin, I am the opposite of you. I went with Akia 61 because of the intergration with the MPC Touch and the new MPC 2.0 program. Awsome sounds !
I already have maschine mk2 ,komplete 11, and mpk61 1st gen. Would it be more beneficial to buy the advance61 to expand my sound library versus buying the komplete keyboard?
If you already have Kokmplete, then I'd say the NI board makes sense
Hi, the info about NI's MIDI is incorrect. The Native Instruments can be switched to midi-mode w/o unplugging by pressing SHIFT+INSTANCE, you can change the midi channel in the Controller Editor. That would be a deal-breaker if it could not, as many people have stated in the comments about going w/ the akai because of this. Thanks for the comparison video!!!
Maybe they updated it since this video was done (I don't use standalone mode), this was when they first added the MIDI out ability, (standalone/5 Pin output, not to be confused with general MIDI control mode) it it was definitely incomplete. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. Your reviews are very inciteful and I hold them in high regard when I'm making a decision on what gear or software to buy.
+wickedstepchild Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it!
Just one simple question. Can I use those 8 knobs to control Waves plugins? So if KK can work as a regular midi controller it will be able to control plugins.
+Andrew Zeleno I don't see why not? You can put it into midi mode and use it as a generic midi device if you wish.
+SoundsAndGear.com Cool. Thanks!
+SoundsAndGear.com btw how you put it into midi mode? And how about sensitivity of knobs? I mean sometimes a knob rotates a parameter too fast and not smooth. Do KK or AKAI give us an opportunity to change this?
+Andrew Zeleno shift+instance to change to midi mode on the NI.
+SoundsAndGear.com thanks. I hope it's convinient to use
I've also noticed with the NI 25 S keyboard controller, you don't get the extra software found in their larger keyboards. Akai Advanced 25 still comes with their included software in all keyboard ranges and Akai is slightly less expensive. I'm trying to break away from using a computer for music composition anyway as I'm considering something like the Roland FA-06 workstation you had earlier. Great review though, thanks.
+Jim Shannon Yeah that's a good point too. I had the fa08, but I totally understand what you mean man. I generally tend to use hardware myself.
Thanks so much for your succinct and comprehensive comparison of these two keyboards ... your video was a breath of fresh air compared to most! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I use the Akai Advance49 myself, the only thing i really miss is the description below the knobs that the native instruments has, also the the light guide is something i would love to have on the akai. And ofcourse a 88 key with hammer action and the other features i mentioned on a akai keyboard and i'd get that in an instant!
I think the scale function combined with the led support is something very useful for a new musician, it saves you a ton of time learning scales etc when you have everything you need at hand.
+Lukasz Jaworski Word, thanks for taking the time to reply!
I forgot to ask, will the arpeggiator record the actual notes of the arppegiation or just the single note that you press? Similar to the gripe people have been having with Kontrol keyboards...do uou have to load the VIP software to utilize that feature?
+Chenyu Fan The arp is part of the keyboard and not the software. I want to say it recorded the notes but it's been a while since I tested it out so I forgot lol.
+SoundsAndGear.com no worries. I was actually messing around with the S61 tonight (2nd attempt) so I figure I'd ask. Appreciate the fast response!
+Chenyu Fan No problem!
which one the best akai or kontrol native?
+Jonathan Vezina reallly depends on your workflow and what you need. Head to head just the keyboards I'd say Akai, but I use Maschine so the NI is more integrated into my setup that way.
You may have just talked me into the Akai. I have to replace my M-Audio Keystation 88, I am hoping Akai makes an 88 key version in the near future for now I think my next controller will be the Akai Advance 61 Professional. Thank you for proving such clear guidance.
Thanks for watching!
I have an MPC LIVE
I currently use it
with an M AUDIO 49 in STANDALONE MODE
Which you can use plugins provided by AKAI 3 they have are
BASELINE
ELECTRIC
TUBE SYNTH
My question is if I were to switch to an AKAI ADVANCE 49
would I be able to access the different sounds from Advance in Midi Mode While in STANDALONE Mode. ?
The Advance doesn't have sounds, it's just a controller running software on your computer.
@@SoundsAndGear Thank you I appreciate that .
@@ricardofonseca3355 no problem
Right on, Maaan! Thank you for doing the side-by-side breakdown here. I was all but sold on the Kontrol. It DOES mesh up with a LOT of 3rd party plugins now, in 2019. Also, it's Mk2 Revision is PRETTY sweet. HOWEVER... I have always respected Akai from WAY back when I had the AX-80. That synth was PHAT! So.. Thanks to you, I get to go BACk and look at Akai's offerings. I will be using out board, or racked hardware samplers, that ALSO have to integrate with Logic Pro X. thanks dood! I'll get back here and let you know!!
Thanks for watching! Both can get the job done just depends on what you need to do.
Great comparison man! Hey that desk you've got there looks dope, what brand is it? Or is it a custom build? Cheers
+Dj Deeka Thanks for watching! It's a custom build by azstudioworkstations.com, check em out!
This review is still fresh
Thanks for watching bro!
Do the plugins that he used come with either of the controllers?
+Calvin Fondeur Depends on which plugins you're referring to. I mention what each one comes with as well.
thanks so much for replying :-)...did you get rid of it for komplete kontrol? Care to share what made ya switch. Lastly, how do these compare to the Nektar P which controls your whole daw.Im thinking thinking the akai and Komplete Kontrol are just more fun/ last mapping..your thoughts?
I had both at the time, and the Akai was just a review unit, though I think it's great if you're just comparing keyboards, I use Maschine so the NI ended up being better for me. Plus now the NI has on screen browsing so it makes more sense for me as a Maschine user. But it still doesn't have the external midi flexibility and the layering options of the Akai. I haven't tried the Nektar and they don't map to my main daw which is Ableton
+SoundsAndGear.com ...Thanks Saint Joe..extremely kind of you to take your time and explain; could not have been more helpful..God bless yah brother :-)!
Glad to help!
No problem fam!
Can I open an instance of VIP inside maschine 2.x software? mainly to browse the library's from non-NI/NKS plugins? can u do a demo video duing so?
Yep, I did that when I had it, I no longer have the akai board.
do you not have it because to prefer the KK?
As a maschine user I like the integration of KK better due to the Maschine browser and transport integration.
Solid review bro!.. thanks
Thanks for watching!
I just ordered the Komplete 88 weighted for the key action and integration with Kontakt. But I will also get a smaller inexpensive keyboard for organs and synths that will work as a controller for multi-layering etc. To me that's the best of both worlds.
Nice man, I will say the s88 has the best keybed for my tastes. I've tried many weighted keys and I feel they got it right, it's not too heavy and not too light. I can still use it for decent synth stuff without any finger fatigue, but it has a nice weight to it for when you want that feeling as well. Not the best for drums of course, but you can get away with it better than on most weighted keybeds.
is these plugin are inbuild ...or sperately ve to buy
and can we add or upgrade the new plugins
You can add plugins, and they come with some plugins as well that you can download/install once you register.
@@SoundsAndGearThnkuu.. :)
Do you have any idea why this keyboard was discontinued?
No I do not.
good video man, have you used the M-Audio Code or CTRL series? if so how do they compare to these two? Cheers
Thanks for watching. I haven't used either of those so I'm not sure.
Quick Question: can you use an external weighted controller on the midi input of the akai so you can have a weighted feel and take advantage of the akai style control?
thanks.
KT
I didn't try it but I don't see why not.
Is the Akai Advance 49 good for making drums as well with the pads? I have yet to see someone to use the pads for drums yet.
+James Jones I suppose you could, they are just drum pads. I prefer using dedicated drum pad controllers in general I rarely use the pads on a keyboard.
I was considering the Akai Advance but I heard it's not full on supportive with Logic Pro X which I use. Do you know If this is true?
I'm not sure, I use a PC so haven't tested it with Logic, sorry.
Great Review.... I see the Akai as ahead also...but not by much
+KnockSquared Thanks for watching bro!
+KnockSquared but considering that the Akai cost about $100 less for each size and that the Akai is integrated with many more plug-ins and the Akai is completely bus powered puts it waay ahead IMO
+Greg Serenade Definitely depends on the user and what they need. Everyone will have their favorites for sure.
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SoundsAndGear.com true, but so far it seems like the Akai is capable of everything the Kontrol is capable of except for the light guide. so I can see some people wanting that feature.
planning to buy Akai Advance... gave up on NI komplete S61 when the £80 off deal expired on 08 Jan (hadn't made my mind until then)... i have komplete 9 ultimate - can i use it with akai advance to really make use of all the sound libraries
Cool. The NI integration with Komplete is more smooth, but you can use Komplete with the Advance and VIP software.
Great video, very informative. I did no know anything about a MIDI device but bought the AKAI Advance 49 for developing background music for my 3D animation movies. I would like to see a beginner video on the different DAWs and how to use them to get some cool sounds out. Thanks so much.
Cool, thanks for watching!
Thanks for the comparison. It's worth pointing out that the Akai has drum pads. Are they any good?
NI clearly expects you to own Maschine. It seems quite naked without a screen or pads.
And on that note, it's worth asking how well Maschine integrates with your MIDI devices.
+Django Flaherty The drum pads feel good, but that is never a decided factor for me on a controller personally as I have Maschine and/or other pad controllers. But they are probably the best pads I've felt on a controller over the years. I'm speaking physically about their feel. Maschine works fine with MIDI because you just route via software, not quite the same as what I'm looking for in a MIDI keyboard. I like to be able to switch and play my modules in realtime without having to route anything in software so I need a midi controller that does that easily. Most of them do, especially older ones, not sure why NI made this an afterthought.
+SoundsAndGear.com I hear ya. More and more outboard gear is coming out these days. It's as relevant as ever.
+Django Flaherty No doubt
Hi. I reinforce what most people say about your videos. You respect your audience's time and get right into it! I'll be using the Akai Advance in Pro Tools 12, and I'll post my comments on this combo. Thanks again.
+Aidan Moore Thanks, I appreciate your support!
I'm considering getting the KK88 and the Advance 61 as a combination. Would you consider it worth it to get both?
+Too Future I mean, if you like them both I say why not, I'm all about whatever keeps a person creative. Both can be used to make music for sure, and each has their own strengths/weaknesses.
+Elite Beats - | Hip Hop Instrumentals | Rap Beats all depends on your workflow lol, some people have multiple guitars, or pianos, etc...these are just tools in the end, I say get whatever keeps you creative even if there may be some overlap in function as all devices have their own workflow.
I have really been considering the 61 key Komplete keyboard since I have the Maschine also and will soon have the Komplete 10 Ultimate at my fingertips. The Akai does have some interesting features though. Thank you for your break down of features.
On a side note, or question; what desk or stand are you using in this video with both keyboards? This is exactly what I am looking for!
+Brad Penrod Yeah, the NI board is dope if you're using Maschine for sure. I can do all the layering in Maschine instead. My desk is custom, I had it built by azstudioworkstations.com
Dope video! (As is all your vids) A very fair comparison. The Akai joint is serious. I had one for a couple of weeks but for some reason I felt more at home with the Kontrol. Again...Real dope video. Salute!!
+faces316 No doubt, it really depends on which feels better in your setup at the end of it all. Thanks for watching!
Hey saint joe hows it goin man? Hey im comming from the maschine platform as far as expantions and just trying to learn akais expansion s work flow can you do a video on how you would put a song together using the drums and one shots from expansion packs im so used to maschine where you load different kits onto different pads and using pad mode to spread the one shots out thanks i have seen anyone doing it so i can learn the work flow thanks
On the MPC you can load kits on tracks on the MPC, and use pad mode to spread individual sounds across the pads.
Can you map external gear CC with relevant names to control like LFO 1 Speed Rate and have that on the screen?
On which one? NI has a software editor you can name parameters I don't remember if the Akai had an editor like that, probably does though.
+SoundsAndGear.com Actually you cannot currently assign a name in place of cc# in a custom mapping on Advance but akai is considering it as I put in a feature request. that way you could properly map external synths and such.
Ahh ok, didn't think they had an editor but it's been a while lol.
Great review thanks. Would you say the arps is better on Kontrol as it seems to have the ability to vary them slightly with the 'sequence' function? If I had a Maschine mk2 are these same arps and chord facilities built in...so if using Maschine and akai would I have the best of both worlds?
I'm not an arp guy so I don't really use it, but there's definitely some useful stuff. The arp/chord features have the same functionality when hooked to Maschine. The chords are the same and arp options but it just looks a little different in the software compared to how it looks in Komplete Kontrol.
Does the Akai works with Protools 11? Any tutorials somewhere? Thks
You should be able to use it as a midi device
What do thing about the new NI Keyboard? Which one do you prefer now. ?
I use the NI S61 MK2 currently, I have not used their new A series keyboards. I like the MK2 series though, with the screens. I think NKS is a bit more integrated for my taste than VIP is, but I haven't tried VIP in a while.
Hey what do U thinks better with ableton the akai advance or the m-audio cntrl ?
I haven't used the m-audio so I can't say, and I generally control Live with Push or a dedicated Ableton Live controller. I mainly use the keyboards for playing/triggering sounds.
Hi bro. a question. I have seen that you have had the komplete control s and now you have the akay advance. I'm thinking of buying one of them. Which keyboard is best for you? I'm looking for semi-weighted key. Which one has the better key of the two? If you can help me please
I'm a Maschine user and prefer the integration of the NI keyboard as well as the feel of the keyboard overall. However if you need access to external MIDI control and such, the Akai handles that better as well as having a screen. Overall I like the feel of the NI better but I think the Akai is better as an all around MIDI controller...meaning if you need to control external gear directly from it without the computer, etc.
Oo thanks my bro
Will the chord/scale/light guide work on 3rd party vsti's out the box. I just want at least to be able to map those features myself if i wanted.
+Chanbeats Only with Kontakt libraries that have colors/keyswitches on them will show on the light guide. The scales and chords work with anything you have loaded through komplete kontrol, unless you route out of komplete kontrol software to another track. But you can load your plugins directly in there if you want to use the scales/chords on them now.
akai mpk 249 vs akai advance 49 which one is the best for creating music?
Really depends on what features you're looking for, both are capable. One comes with the VIP software.
Can you do this review again with the newer Komplete Kontrol 49 mk2, thanks
I don't have the Akai anymore
You would have to redo this comparison Komplete Kontrol S49 MK2 a whole different ball game.💪🏽💯
Yeah, the MK2 is nice, still lacks in the MIDI and layering, but the screens are dope!
im a dedicated ableton live user.
and im looking to branch into komplete because of the instruments(obviously).
this being said i was wondering if you had had a chance to look at the M-audio Ctrl 49.
its a vip based controller like the advance but with some extra faders and buttons.
--would i be better off purchasing komplete 11 full (and trying to integrate my push)
-- or should i get the advance, ctrl, or the komplete with select and opt to upgrade further down the road.
the only reason im considering kontrol is because its made by native for native.
however im absolutely in love with how VIP software functions.
so that leaves me torn between the two(ctrl and advance)
i feel like the akai team is way more responsive with their product support and growth, but m-audio isnt bad there either.
so before i type 10 pages do you have any input.
If you really love VIP, then go for that. You can still use Komplete in the VIP software. Not the exact same experience but each keyboard has it's own workflow, so if you like one more than the other I say go for it. Especially if you're really just interested in Komplete software. I ended up rolling with NI in the end, I'm a heavy Maschine user and that workflow just fits for me. I really dug what Akai did though, and I'm sure it's even better since I did this video.
SoundsAndGear.com you should check out the M-audio Ctrl though another neat vip based synth.
thanks for the response.
ill be subbing
Yeah I've seen it, I just haven't used it personally. Saw it at NAMM back in January I believe. Or maybe it was another one they had LOL
I have been playing my Maschine Mk2 for almost a year and I want to finally get a keyboard to go with it, would you recommend the Komplete Kontrol s49 to go with it?
+Jeremy Ron They integrate pretty well, especially if you're using the Maschine software.
+SoundsAndGear.com Okay thats good to hear then, appreciate the feedback! your videos are really helpful btw keep it up :D
+Jeremy Ron No problem, glad to help!
i see you have an A4...how easy is it to map params of the A4 to the Akai?
I've setup controls in Logic to control my A4, but its iffy at best.
additionally, the pads on the Akai can select diff plugs right? can it be setup to load diff MIDI control groups? meaning, if assigning CC to the A4 werks well, can say, PAD 1 on the Akai be set to params on track 1 of the A4, and PAD 2 on the Akai to track 2 on the A4?
if so....this is a done deal!
how are the pads on the Akai, a lot of controllers have crappy stiff pads. basically unusable.
how would KK handle mapping to the A4 params?
lastly, the pitch and mod strips on the KK, useable? i prefer wheels, the strips are a huge deterrent. are they great, good enough or not worth it?
thanks in advance
I got rid of the A4, and I no longer have the Akai after review, the akai pads were the best I've felt on any keyboard including their old keyboards. I usually never am impressed by pads on a keyboard. The pitch and mod strips are usable, but if you like playing that funky pitch wheel thing you can't really get the same feel.
thanks for the response
no problem
Are the Komplete Kontrollers only good for KONTAKT Libraries? Can you not use your kontroler on other VSTs like Nexus , Omnisphere , Serum?
They work with NKS format libraries, NI has many companies that support the NKS format. I also have custom NKS packs available on maschinepacks.com for Nexus, Omnisphere, and Serum that make them work with the NI boards and Maschine.
Thanks so much for this comparison. It is most helpful! Some have complained that the Akai Advance mappings for third party plug-ins are hit and miss, noting especially the Arturia V collection does not always map presets properly. Have you found that to be the case?
+Jim Buhler I haven't really ran into many issues with the mapping, just that there are only 4 pages of parameters. I do wish the names of the parameters were a little more descriptive as well.
Thanks for the reply! Very helpful.
+Jim Buhler No problem
Great Info Joe ..... Really in depth .... You really know your stuff since I suppose you use it regularly for production .... Lot of Reviews say a Lot of shit about the instability of the VIP Software ... poor quality control etc .... What is your opinion / take on this aspect .. ?
+Krishna Sadasivan I haven't had any stability issues outside of what I mentioned in my review of the Advance, mainly graphical issues which could be because I'm on windows 10. But no crashes or anything for me.
Great review, great reviewer - thanks for putting this together!
+Ryan Curtis Thanks for the support!
It looks to me that the NI keys might be a bit smaller in over all size compared to the Akai is this your observation as well.....Key size to me super important.
+Mike Dolsen I didn't really notice much difference in regards to the size of the keys themselves.
Have you reevaluated the external midi features since each keyboard has been upgraded? Is the Akai still the one to use for external midi instruments?
I haven't tried it, I still don't think the NI is as flexible in that regard but prefer it overall as a keyboard. I don't use it for external MIDI though.
Thanks, on another note, I saw your review of the Arturia Keylab board. It peaked my interest, however, looking for a 61 keyboard, I found that they are discontinuing the line in favor of a stripped down version.
Yeah they have a new "essential" version, seems to do the same stuff though. They actually sent one over I just haven't had a chance to check it out yet.
They just answered my prayers with a new Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 m.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansicht/preview-maschine-mk3-und-native-instruments-komplete-kontrol-mk2.html
no doubt lol
Thanks a lot for the video Joe. What's your take on Nektar Panaroma ?
Thanks for watching, I haven't really use that one.
Is it still worth getting one of these(advance 49 and s49 mk2) in 2018 or are there any alternatives? Looking for something that has 49 keys, a good software bundle and that works well with fl studio
Both can be used as MIDI controllers so I'd imagine working with FL shouldn't be a problem, I don't know if they have maps specific for FL though.
so essentially the kk can't really play other vst besides native instruments software unlike a regular midi controller which you can play whatever vst am i correct. because i like the mk2 Komplete Kontrol but i don't want to be limited to only playing NI stuff
+Storey Media you can play any software it's just premapped to NKS plugins.