I remember how Phil Fish would constantly get into an argument with people and go silent for some time only to return and get into another argument. He was like a phoenix that didn't come out quite right, that would raise from the dead and then immediately smack his head on the ceiling, killing itself each time.
I do feel for that guy. I really loved Fez and absolutely thought it was worth the wait, but he got so much flak for making sure it lived up to his very high expectations.
I mean, hearing his comment about Japanese games then looking over at EA, Activision, Ubisoft, 2K, and Bethesda...I don't think he actually knew anything about not his game
I remember a particularly nasty tweet from Phil Fish about how he didn't authorize Steam to include Fez in a Steam sale and the thousand or so people who bought it during the sale had effectively stolen the game. Oh how he hated those thousand or so players. The sheer vitriol.
Imagine being rich as fuck from your game taking off which doesn’t happen to a lot of indie devs and then going and sticking up the middle finger to fans who paid for your game just because it was on sale
Phil Fish is the reason Judas, from the game Binding of Issac, is wearing a fez. I thought this anecdote would be mentioned here, but here it is: Edmund (creator of The Binding of Issac) added the fez to Judas because Phill voted against Edmund Mcmillen and his comrades during the Independent Games Festival, therefor becoming a "Judas".
Phil Fish cancelling Fez 2 after being called "Tosspot" was not only one of the funniest moments in gaming, but also made me start randomly throwing that insult into my own vocabulary.
@@InfernosReaper maybe he was having problems with his team that he didn't want known? I read that apparently he was more of an ideas guy when it came to Fez while other people did the actual programming, art, ect. That isn't really a bad thing on it's own, but it's a bit odd knowing that and then seeing everyone call it a one man indie masterpiece.
There is quite convincing theory that Phil Phish couldn't actually make the game on his own and mostly relied on his partner, who he later broke agreement with and parted ways. Since he couldn't make Fez 2 he found an excuse to tell everyone he's not going to develop it without admitting that he literally can't.
I almost expected to see Digital Homicide and the Romine brothers blowing up, dmcaing folks, and trying to sue Jim Sterling for millions but then I realized that this is game dev meltdowns and that would mean referring to the Romines as game devs and that would just be factually incorrect.
Thing is, you could do an entire episode on them because they are still around. Yep, they are now attempting to sell their games on itch.io and posting paragraph long rants about Jim in an attempt to gain sympathy from NOBODY.
The whole hoopla with Jonathan Blow can be summed like this. If enough people "didn't get it", it means you did a poor job of getting across what "it" was meant to be.
Johnathan Blow has more than a little stench of pretentiousness to him. I seem to remember him getting really bent out of shape about people saying they liked The Witness but had trouble with some of the puzzles and looked up the answers online, saying something to the tune of those people "Not deserving it".
The Jonathan Blow formula is to take a perfectly good puzzle game who's mechanics and narrative serve each other, and then slather an extra layer of insufferable pretentiousness on top of it (i.e. the nuclear bomb ending in Braid and the completely superfluous quotes in The Witness) to let the player know that Johnathan Blow reads more books than you.
It's funny. I mean, people interpret art in different ways, because they are different people and have experienced life differently. Even the creator cannot dictate how a person should see their work, because they may have subconsciously seeded in other meanings themselves without realising it. I don't think Jonathan Blow 'gets it', now I think on it more.
@@SuperLlama42 Ahaha, I definitely understand. Braid is one of my favorite games of all time, for several reasons... and as much as I love it, I also very lovingly call it pretentious as fuck. My light obsession just sees it as another endearing trait by now.
Honestly, I doubt Phil could have made Fez 2 by himself. He never came across as the brains of the operation compared to his partner, who left, and all of a sudden Phil got extra annoyed. Phil didn't cancel Fez 2. You can't cancel something that never had a chance to start.
@@SegaCDUniverse Though I know I should be wary, still I venture some place scary! Join us now, you grumpy fart! Derek Smart, Derek Smart, DEREK SMAAAAARRRRRRT!!!
Hadn't heard about it, but cancelling your planned sequel... That's either god-tier levels of pettiness, or just him finding an excuse for a project he never wanted to sign up on IRL.
Probably both. The man thought himself a god and believed his Paper Mario Clone was some grand declaration of his superiority. I still laugh that he never bothered to notice that the main character on the box art has two right hands before approving it, though.
@@ForeverLaxx *Super Paper Mario, which didn't had too much time of being released when FEZ was a thing if my memory doesn't fail me (and it probably does) Internet aristocrat did made a point of flaming him in his "Quinnspiracy Theory" series by mentioning that Fish was probably scared of overselling his sequel and just grabbed the first excuse to cancel it, knowing it wouldn't survive the hype.
I remember hearing about this years ago on the Co-Optional Podcast and I immediately thought, “Wow, Phil seems like a real prick.” Good to know that my personal boycott of FEZ has aged rather well over the years.
@@NathanCassidy721 I got FEZ during a Humble Bundle sale...and made it so that none of the money from that bundle went to FEZ. So I still have it, but he didn't get a cent out of it.
@@NathanCassidy721 I always wanted to try the game out for a while. Looked fun. Now I hear about the dev and go...eh...if i must play it I'll buy secondhand if I can or just go without. Longer list of games to play than lifespan expected and only geting worse, so losing 1 is no big deal.
@@pferreira1983 Because he doesn't want people to get it, he wants to be this oh-so-misunderstood genius just too far advanced for the rest of us monkeys. He basically thinks he's Rick IRL.
Maybe this was a bad clip but it didn't seem like he was ragging on the game. Well, it sounded like he may have been saying that your actions have no consequence in the game because you can just rewind time and undo something like overjumping, so there's no punishment for your actions. I've not played the game before, though, but from what I saw in the video and going by his tone, that's a fair assessment. I'm sure you can die in the game but if you can rewind to undo mistakes, it also sounds very forgiving
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley It kind of misses the point of the game if you finish it though: SPOILER WARNING The game's protagonist is actually one of the scientists who created the Atom bomb and his regret that he can't 'undo' what he has done.
@@AMVpurgatory If you knew that Earthbound was hurriedly reprogrammed in two weeks by a single man using a custom scripting language shortly before release, would you be more impressed?
@@XanthinZarda I'm not saying that isn't impressive. I'm just saying that there's a certain smugness to the game that always rubs me the wrong way. I mean there are even multiple characters who do nothing but tell you how great the game is, not to mention the tea breaks that give you a slow text crawl telling you things along the lines of "Your life is exponentially better for playing this game. It's made you a better person. You love this game. You think it's the only true religious experience you've ever had." It's just a wee bit self-indulgent is all I'm saying.
@@AMVpurgatory Not having played Earthbound, I'm not really qualified to say anything, but that tea-time bit sounds like a gag. I mean, it sounds like they're over-exaggerating with the intention to make fun of themselves. If you feel that I have no idea what I'm taking about and that I should shut up, you're probably right.
Phil Fish is exactly the kind of guy who will sit there daydreaming about beating someone up but when the actual confrontation happens he will just timidly say something passive aggressive.
Phil Fish is the kind of person who talks about how much he wants to do stuff "in Minecraft" but would never do such a thing. And then complains about being put in Twitter Jail for violating the ToS rules on advocating terrorism.
He’s a little weasel btch. Definitely the Nintendo switch meme personified. Sits at home making indies while his wife is getting her back blown out by Chads.
The funny thing about Indie Game: the Movie is now it's all a bit outdated. The indie game industry has matured a lot more and most creators have become far more grateful. In fact the ones who are struggling more are those who used to be part of corporate studios and now have gone indie.
@@bazboyd44 well, the dev of Braid made The Witness in 2016, a very unique puzzle game that I personally really liked. He also works on some new programming language called Jai apparently, and supports the development of other indie games. Tommy Refenes (bald guy making SMB) was a part of new SMB:Forever recently. Basically only Phil Fish lost everything he had over a tantrum, others are still relevant in the industry, but yeah, Egg is the biggest of them all, currently doing a 5mil+ kickstarter for an addon for his Isaac Card Game.
@@bazboyd44 Despite my disagreements over Repentance, I feel proud. The guy seems genuinely good, and his more secondary titles like The End is Nigh seriously kick (your) ass.
As I drift off into a deep sleep, I am suddenly shaken awake from a voice coming from my closet. As I turn around to see what the noise was, I hear a voice say "But, hello you." as I finally turn around to see Larry peaking out from the crack between the closet doors.
Wow Larry called it, this guy really does have nothing better to do than scouring TH-cam comment sections lol. Predictable, but i guess it beats working on gaming mediocrity.
He seems to have this mindset that he can use the cancelation of his projects as punishment to...someone?...but in reality he's really just punishing himself. Like I get it if you want to exit the games industry, but very few people are going to care if you cancel a project no one has heard about lol
@@orangeslash1667 I guess ultimately that's good. I can't honestly make any sweeping judgements on his character that hold any weight, but I do hope he's better now if that's true.
I always get a kick out of people who loudly declare how much smarter they are than you and how little they care about what you have to say when it's obvious that they're sitting in a dark office scouring the internet for any mention of them in order to start an internet slap fight.
Sean Murray is a good example of how to take criticism of your work. He buckled to publisher pressure and started hyping up his indie art game as a AAA MMO, then when faced with underwhelmed players, got the team back to work and changed and improved it, for free.
In all fairness, much of Sean Murray's work had been lost to a flood that rendered the stored data unusable, so him underdelivering was due to the constraints Hello Games had to cope with rather than a lack of vision or dedication. He was a good developer to begin with, just in a very bad situation.
To all the people who are seeing this comment thread, if you haven't already, i urge you to see the internet historian's video "the engoodening of no man's sky"
I'm shocked that Phil Fish wasn't first. Until you showed me who was first. In fact, I feel like the thing on Tyler 1 should've been 3rd to Phil Fish at least.
If there was a particular order and you were active in the 90s PC gaming scene, then yes you'd see why Derek Smart was #1. He was the poster boy of online tantrums. Phil Fish could have just been his heir apparent. At least Fez was playable at its launch state. Battlecruiser 3000 AD was released by 2K at an unplayable state and that's what started Smart's legendary Usenet flame war.
@@annabella1650 But also that was the fault of the developer, not Tyler. Not saying Tyler is a good guy, but wishing a terrible death on the guy wins no sympathy points.
@@jbzhummerh2gamer True, and he was wrong for doing that, but I’d say Fish and Smart still beat him out due to how big an ego each of them had. The LoL dev lost it because he kept having to explain why unbanning Tyler wasn’t happening, despite the answer being obvious.
@NessieNip No worries, I think Larry’s saving Andrew (I think that was his name, anyway) for a future episode of Fact Hunt, especially since YIIK isn’t the only dumpster fire he’s made as a game developer. (The other was Two Brothers, if I recall correctly)
The best part about Dino dinny and Mister metokur was the fact that halfway through him ranting and blaming Publishers, he got a phone call from his publisher and had to end the Stream
If you still have interest in getting FEZ, Phil Fish has left gaming all together and the company that makes FEZ and its ports doesn't give him royalties. This means that if you purchase a copy of FEZ nowadays, not a single penny will fall into Fish's pockets.
@@Eicee-yg6jh Because the game isn't directly owned by Phil Fish himself, it's his company that owns it. Because he left the company, he's not entitled to earning any additional bank from copies sold after his departure unless the new higher ups of his former company allow it, which they don't. As an additional example, Minecraft's creator, Notch, is in a similar situation, so it's not as if this sort of thing happens rarely where directors/producers who leave a company don't get payed additional revenue from.something they made years ago.
Honorable mention goes out to the developer of the slaughtering grounds for suing Jim sterling for $15 million after Jim made a video saying his game sucked.
Larry only mentioned some of Phil's escapades. Such as the time he claimed anyone who showed footage of his game owed him money. But if he listed all of them it would take up the whole video. Great job by the way Larry. :)
That calls to mind Masahiro Sakurai's infamous temper tantrum about cutscenes being posted online and refusing to ever include a story in his games again because of it.
I was young when I watched it. Other than the bullshit Larry pointed out, what made it so bad? I remember enjoying it, but as I wasn’t necessarily versed in Indy Game Lore at the time, I didn’t exactly have deep insight and just kind of took it at face value.
'the indie crew' by JamFaze covers it well. In short they used the imagery of popular indie games, but the focus was on pretentious hipsters with little to no talent hyping up their college projects thinking their 'interactive' stories about their political ideologies were more amazing than anything produced by the AAA industry.
Phil Fish was an insufferable tool on all fronts, and I'd like to say the gaming sphere was made better by his departure. Couldn't take criticism; lashed out on Twitter nonstop; horrible hot takes. He could have his own video.
I like how the gaming press rolled with the idea that Phil FIsh cancelled Fez 2 because of people calling him a cunt, while the reality was probably closer to him having no clue how to make Fez 2, since the core design of the game wasn't even his idea to begin with. Gotta love an industry that blames its consumers for everything.
That guys has remarkably thin skin. He thought he was a genius and when the world informed him to the contrary, he threw a pissy fit. He reminds me of the idiot who made that Half Life fan game, thinking he was so deep and creative.
As someone who's working on a (spicy) game with a friend i salute Phil Fish for his self immolating exit from videogames, thanks to him i think four times about what i say to people when talking about the game so there's no misunderstandings even if the interaction i get from them is negative. Right now interest is minuscule but i dont want to go down in history as the man who surpassed Phil Fish.
I got to personally witness Derek Smart getting banned in real time, once. Frantically refreshing the thread. Good times. Everyone should do that at least once. Like going to Disney World or seeing the Aurora Borealis.
When I saw Blow on the list, I legitimately thought you were going to repeat the Indie Game narrative, but it was all just a clever way to roast the movie. You have both bamboozled and entertained me once again.
Surprised we had no Neil Druckmann, like or hate his games but DMCAing all negative reviews, encompassing everyone as haters to say your game deserves all the awards at the show run by your friends and then making jokes about the abusive work environment you're creating is pretty bad.
6:26 My computer Programing 1 teacher forced us to watch that documentary in an attempt to get us to understand Indie Devs. All it did was remind me why I hate Phil Fish.
That might have at least been part of the point your teacher was trying to make, lol. In all 3 cases presented, you got a good mix of how things tend to be for most of your typical aspiring indie devs, and it generally isn't good or enviable in any way, you got to have some serious flaws in most cases to see an indie game through. With Blow you got the introverts who are always over thinking things and too caught up in their own nonsense ideals that always come across as pretentious convoluted shit to anyone who can look deeper than the surface level pretty paint and gimmicks that keep it all afloat. With Fish you got the unqualified narcissists who are so full of themselves and getting their ego fellated that they can never admit out loud that they are pretty incompetent and don't know what they are doing most of the time, and they absolutely hate it when anyone else says those quiet parts out loud to draw attention to their shortcomings. And finally you got the SMB guys, they've been making flash games for years before coming together to work on their hit, and they were willing to make big personal sacrifices and bet everything on seeing their game through. However they can be a bit OCD and antisocial at times. To some extent, all of them kinda made it through on a bit of dumb luck with being in the right place at the right time with the right contacts. But there was also something off about all of them that allowed them to dump crazy amounts of time and effort into something with no guarantee of paying off. More often then not, you've got to be a bit of a misfit/malcontent who doesn't tend to fit so well into society. As indie game development can often be a fairly antisocial activity if you want to see things through, as they take a tremendous amount of time and effort and a boat load of disparate skills that often have very little overlap, so you got to be a jack-of-all-trades if you want to go it alone - artist, programmer, fiction author, music composer, sound designer, business manager, spokes person/advertiser/promoter, customer server specialist, etc. It can take decades to get to a decent level of mastery with any one of those, and making a game on your own, or even with a partner, means taking on many, if not all, of those hats yourself. With all the great engines available these days and the huge library of free knowledge available on the web, it is more accessible than ever before, so there are a growing number of devs who are a bit more well adjusted or doing game dev as a hobby in their spare time. But that also means tons more competition these days and a huge drowning flood of mediocre titles that make it harder than ever to gain attention and traction, even compared to a decade or so back when the devs in that movie were in the limelight. Basically, I think there is a fair chance that your teacher wanted to disillusion you all of your romantic notions of game development being some easy and fun thing that anyone can do. That movie does a good job of showing the ugly and dark side of indie development that most don't really know about. Showing how much it can take from you and how success can leave you your flaws and dirty laundry exposed for all to see if you do manage to pull off the near impossible and release a game that becomes a big hit. If you aren't passionate about a project to an almost unhealthy level and possessing nearly delusional levels of confidence, it isn't very likely you will manage to come up with something of compelling enough quality that can make you stand out from the crowd in such an over-saturated market these days.
I'm grateful to Fish because, IMO, he singlehandedly ended hipster culture by being _such an annoying, whiny and famous hipster,_ he made it extremely uncool with the youth. _Not like hipsterism was ever cool to begin with,_ but he made it look like total dogshit to casual gamers and normies. "$90 dollars for FEZ", hahahahahaaahehehehe *he can go fvск himself.*
@@glidershower dont forget that he also thinks little games like his are better than any japanese game Fez is an ok little game but if i go to the "best selling video games of all time" list, i see a lot of Japanese games....oh and whats this? Fez is nowhere on it
I really liked Fez and was mad when Fish had his little meltdown and cancelled Fez 2 but one positive thing is that I didn’t have to give that fruitcake another dollar and he’s faded into irrelevancy.
@@jamescarrino3696 oh did he really? Then it’s not much of a coincidence as I’ve thought. Just his transition theme/song alone evokes those early 2000 feels.
I was halfways expecting to see the salt from the pretentious hipsters behind YIIK, but even without it this list is still brimming with unwarranted self-importance and punchable faces.
The greatest philosophers of our time are still trying to determine how much of YIIK is supposed to be ironic and how is supposed to be earnest. From RunningShine to Tehsnakerer, nobody can find the right side up arrow on that box of lunacy.
At least the YIIK devs updated the game so the main character can be muted. Honestly if a person’s first reaction to criticism is something like “you just don’t get it”, they’re either in need of growing up or a lost cause. Sure maybe some people are missing the point, but some of that falls on them for not communicating it well and not considering if the point is clear. Sure YIIK’s protagonist was meant to be an ass of the highest order, but that doesn’t make it any better.
@@annabella1650 That is true. They also didn't wish death upon their critics as far as I know, which alone elevates them somewhat above some of the guys on this list.
One lesser know dev breakdown is a writer for guild wars 2. After a sugestion from a fan she went on a tyrade about her credentials and how she doesn't need people telling her how to do her job in her private space (completely public twitter). The mentioned fan acted cordial but the writer's tirade got the whole fanbase angry at her and she got fired. Gaming urinalists then picked her up so she can push a narrative of sexist game publishers bowing to the mob, refusing to acknowledge that she was being an awful person while representing the company.
Oh I remember that. Wasn't that like an odd year of stuff like that. Like little petty blow ups then the audience don't like it and denounce it and game journals basically going "Mansplaining." Or "gamergate is the reason for this." Well they're still blaming the slightest thing on GG.
@@LadyBern As I understood it, many of the players hated that she was turning nearly every male character in the story into a whimpering baby, closeted gay, or openly gay, while making her favorite big-name female NPC some kind of savior that every other NPC and player-character loved and deferred to. Basically, the early warning signs of the agenda infiltrating gaming. Hilariously, her blow up had nothing to do with this and instead she got mad at someone bringing up how difficult it can be to make a narrative compelling in an MMO, suggesting dialog trees, and she decided that person was telling her how to do her job. Everyone I talked to regarding her firing though was glad she was gone because she was ruining the established lore and story in order to shove in her Mary Sue fanfic in its place.
@@ForeverLaxx i didn't know that much. All i knew was the unwarranted rant. And i just remembered that the colleague that white knighted her git the boot too. I mostly remember it as a warning of what happens when you use your company position for those social media points. Then your otherwise dumb hottake can nab you actual consequenses
@@ForeverLaxx "she got mad at someone bringing up how difficult it can be to make a narrative compelling in an MMO" Clearly she wasn't taking any notes from the FFXIV story team. lol But then, she couldn't have as those notes would've clearly indicated her narrative was garbage, and I'm sure she was hellbent on keeping her crap story.
On the bright side, at least Tyler did change. Funny how the person that got banned is better than the dev that complained about him. Also once Yandere Simulator releases in 2057, Yandere Dev is definitely getting on this list.
@@Jessica-yl2gu Back in 2018 I tried running it. that was a bad idea as I had to crank the settings down just to even exit the game. You know a game is a scam if you can't even exit.
As soon as I saw the title, I thought, "Okay, the Fez guy and who else?" I don't understand how he and Blow didn't have social media advisors/directors/whatever. If the face of your company is very talented but is otherwise horribly toxic, why would you keep allowing him to speak out and destroy your company? Did they really think all publicity is good publicity?
I forgot just how much of a tool Phil Fish actually was/is. He continually talked shite, and then left the industry when he was called out for it. So spineless.
But remember, he didn't do it because he got called out for it. He did it to get out of gaming! Pfft. What a fucking loser. I wonder how many times Mr. Fish has been thoroughly beaten in life??
@@Jazzypants2007 He's a tosser whose ego was inflated by the success of Fez. It's almost as if he though that making one well received game gave him the right to criticise anyone he wanted.
Speaking of developer tantrums. Have you heard about David Cage's recent one in court? To quote the Kotaku article "Cage allegedly cried on the stand, stomping his feet, screaming about interferences to his business and damage to his honor, and eventually storming out of the court room altogether." Edit to add some clarity: This happened on the may 27/28 trial. Was originally reported by Solidaires Informatique (A French workers union) on the 31st. Kotaku and screen rant did articles on it on June 4th (2 days ago, so when I say recent I mean it). Also to add fuel to the fire the other CEO of quantic Dreams, Guillaume de Fondaumiere, asked the judge if he could lie in court because he wasnt under oath
Wow. I've never hear of that incident, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. He has the whole "I'm not like other girls" thing going whenever he mentions his games.
It's still fresh news so I imagine when the details become a bit more clear (afaik all of the info comes from translations of french publications) we'll get a proper guru larry video on it.
Yeah, I wanted to play it as a huge fan of Super Paper Mario which is one of those awful Japanese game Fez was clearly inspired by but Phil being a prick made me not even pirate it.
What are you on about? I play games. You play games. We would've played it. If people on Twitter weren't such assholes, poking hornet nests with pointy sticks, we may have had a Fez 2.
Yeah I was quite surprised to hear that it's reportedly well known as being a crap documentary - Until this point I was under the consensus that it was quite well liked. (i also like it - though not seen it for a couple of years !)
@@mcbpete Everyone who was deep into 'the scene' watched it and loved it. Just about everyone else didn't bother. And the few that did couldn't even make it through the entire thing.
@@maybeitsneato Saying that he's "developing" anything is a bold choice of words. He's just pretending to, so he can continue to gather Patreon scraps. All he's developing is memes and speedruns about how toxic his communities are, and like most other things under his name, he's not even doing the actual work.
Honorable mention to Tale of Tales for their response to poor sales of their game Sunset. I actually like some of their games but that reaction was frankly embarrassing.
I clicked the video hoping to see Tale of Tales on the list. They had 8, a Myst like puzzler story revolving around a sleeping beauty like theme. It wouldn't have been the big trending game they wanted but it would've done decently if they had finished it. But nope they though afro American college student working as a maid in Cuba during the revolution would be their fnaf of niche indie games. Worst is that actually sounds amazing... If anyone other than ToT was doing it. what's the point of putting it during that time when the game is about cleaning up an apartment and making minor choices that means nothing rather then, idk exploring Cuba and taking to the people during the revolution! It could've been during the civil rights era and nothing wouldn't changed because you're in one semi surreal setting cleaning up a damn apartment!
They've been doing that since the jump, they made an MMO where you play as human-faced deer who can only scream and when people started playing the game just to spam the scream button they shut it down
They are a prime example of not only vastly overestimating their importance, but also vastly failing at understanding on how to make a product that people actually want, and will pay money for. Not finding a demographic for anything you do, should have been a wake up call on what you're doing not working. Instead, they doubled down and retreated to pedantic name calling and salt, by being entitled to success.
Tale of Tales are the Uwe Boll of game developers. Pretty much all their games were funded via a loophole where they got grants from a public funding program in their country by saying their games were "experimental media", a big part of why they ragequit beside the failure of Sunset was said program being shut down, and of course who else did they blame for their misfortune but eeeevil right-wingers
It's difficult to draw the line between arrogance and genuine mental health problems sometimes, especially since the two aren't mutually exclusive and innocent people can be caught in the crossfire if either are handled badly. Being a public figure in any capacity should entail needing a psychologist as a matter of course and assuming that it shows weakness instead of responsibility should be called out as behaviour that is childish and harmful.
My first college roommate played a ton of league of legends, one time he smashed a key board as I was sleeping. It was a really nice gaming one. When I came back from class that day he was using a shity key board from the school store, back to playing league.
thanks for making me feel old because i thought this list was about "modern tantrums" but yes, he has to make a more updated one, i still have ooblets on my wishlist lol
What is it about being an "indie" dev that makes someone love the smell of their own farts? Although if I remember correctly the main drama was that Ooblets was crowd funded, and set to release on Steam, then they turned around and took an Epic exclusive deal, then made a really shitty blog post abput it then wondered why the bees attacked after they kicked the nest.
@@BunnaySango And I feel like there was a "one step deeper" given they've apparently vanished off the face of the earth, given there's not even any user reviews for it yet.
@@BunnaySango Maybe it has to do with the fact that most of this IndieDevs come from a time when being indie was so much more difficult. Now anyone with a PC can make one and you don't actually need to invest your own money or to court a publisher in order to release a videogame.
Think about how many fantastic games have come from Japan since Phil Fish has said that Japanese games suck. Even doing just a general google for Japanese games from 2012, there seemed to be a few good games from that year too.
Catherine was very innovative when it came out (which would be around the time or so if his tweet). A puzzle platformer with a relatable adult story plus amazing music. Japan-made games like Bayonetta, Nier:Automata and of course Persona 5, has been on the rise on the years that followed and have seemingly gone over the proverbial creativity hump.
In my opinion, i think Fish was reffering to the state of Japanese games at that time, as games with japanese flavor have lost its lust in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
I remember years ago the dev behind Meme Run posted a huge twitter thread about how reviewers didn't "get" his game, and they were killing his business by calling it the worst wii u game. Some youtuber stepped in to back him up and everything. It was really embarrassing and the whole thread was deleted the next day. Wonder if there's any shred of evidence that it happened still out there.
The guy also almost got sued for using the troll face in their game without permission and the troll face creator's on record saying that the developer's basically a manchild, he also cancelled a whole other game after being caught plagiarizing someone else's sprite art
I remember that Marcus Beer 'BlowFish' video, and he was 100% right. These two put themselves in the public eye (including the aforementioned high profile documentary film) back in 2013 when the term 'indie game' had certain connotations and there weren't 1000 games released on Steam every day, it's not totally unreasonable to be asked your opinion on the subject.
This video helped remind me of another form of recent irony: Fez was finally added to the Nintendo switch. I guess Japanese developers finally caught up to Phil's level of excellence, huh? Yeesh
@@Superluigi881 Damn right i'm serious, you're making a total ass of yourself troll, let me guess you're one those fools that thinks Disney paid for positive reviews for Last Jedi right? I can smell you bozos from light years away.
I really liked Braid. But what I think a lot of people missed, even the creator himself, is that what made the game great was the gameplay and not the "artiness" as I call it. Also, the game seemed to help create the "Games as Art" movement that has seemed to destroy the indie game scene ever since.
An honourable mention is Mike "Murderback" Maulbeck, who was so tilted that Steam accidentally listed his co-created game Paranautical Activity as Early Access that he went on a Twitter tirade and even tweeted death threats of Gabe Newell. Needless to say Valve pulled the game from the platform entirely, and Mike has since left both his company and the gaming industry as a whole.
I always like that the people with the fewest games under their belt are the most defensive about it and tend to tie their entire personality around that one game. Dini has en entire shelf in his house dedicated to a single game. How sad is that?
@@fernie-fernandez Toby Fox also made or contributed to a few other things long before Undertale took the world by storm, if mostly in his capacity as a composer. He's no one-trick pony, despite what some have (mostly jokingly, but some seriously) said.
Reminds me that we have a case of these crazy devs here in Brazil too, the one from Miner Ultra Adventures (hilariously bad game) went apeshit on negative reviews on Steam calling all kind of cuss words and such, it's about as hilariously stupid as the game itself
Derek Smart's redemption ark was "star citizen". I remember his comments on the game, where he said something to the effect of "yeah, this is the game i have always wanted to make, but it's just not possible", and he gave what i found to be sound reasoning so i avoided star citizen. This was like 5 or 6 years ago, and that game is still under development. I think he was spot on, and star citizen will probably be finished a decade from now when the tech exists....
@@noisyboyuk Nope, not Derek Smart. I am working on some video ideas, and if i can follow through with them you will see some insane min maxing on my channel.
God the Fish shit is still so fun to talk about because it’s so bonkers like...the dude literally seemed to not like gaming at all like if everyone is inferior just make the game for just you XD it’s like he made it just to dunk on everyone even though he was getting a bunch of praise...even saying it was the best game of all time didn’t seem to be enough
5:58 I can get not being too happy when people make fun of your game... but hey, they're having fun. Even if they're shitting on it. I'd count that as a win.
What Derek Smart should do are Let's Plays of his own games executing it perfectly and going through explaining why he thinks it's great. That would at least be respectable.
I remember that livestream with mr.metokur! it was so funny he went to say "it's usually the producers who screw over games" then he got a call and comes back saying "that was my producer..."
Reminder that Phil Fish wasn't involved in making the bulk of code for Fez, and was incapable of producing the sequel on his own. His twitter meltdown was a convenient excuse to "cancel" the thing he wasn't skilled enough to develop.
I remember how Phil Fish would constantly get into an argument with people and go silent for some time only to return and get into another argument.
He was like a phoenix that didn't come out quite right, that would raise from the dead and then immediately smack his head on the ceiling, killing itself each time.
XD
I do feel for that guy. I really loved Fez and absolutely thought it was worth the wait, but he got so much flak for making sure it lived up to his very high expectations.
I mean, hearing his comment about Japanese games then looking over at EA, Activision, Ubisoft, 2K, and Bethesda...I don't think he actually knew anything about not his game
@@aaronbasham6554 that was back in what, 2013? Back then he wasn’t wrong
I mean Mario Zelda Pokemon...just nintendo alone trumps the majority of american games so fish bait there had no fucking clue what he was on about
I remember a particularly nasty tweet from Phil Fish about how he didn't authorize Steam to include Fez in a Steam sale and the thousand or so people who bought it during the sale had effectively stolen the game. Oh how he hated those thousand or so players. The sheer vitriol.
Obviously somebody authorized it, as Factorio has never and will never go on sale according to the developer...
You sold the rights to sell it to Steam, Phil. They can put it on sale if they want. Clearly he didnt read the contract.
@@BunnaySango no steam can't they have to ask permission
@@jsmith3946 which means that Phil must've given permission and then acted like a baby because "but muh moneyyyy"
what an absolute turd
Imagine being rich as fuck from your game taking off which doesn’t happen to a lot of indie devs and then going and sticking up the middle finger to fans who paid for your game just because it was on sale
Phil Fish is the reason Judas, from the game Binding of Issac, is wearing a fez. I thought this anecdote would be mentioned here, but here it is: Edmund (creator of The Binding of Issac) added the fez to Judas because Phill voted against Edmund Mcmillen and his comrades during the Independent Games Festival, therefor becoming a "Judas".
Ooph he's even worse than I thought. I can't believe he even had friends to betray anyway!
Also, he fits his name perfectly. Shitty.
now if only edmund could stop making his game worse and worse by taking out everything fun.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 cry harder lmao
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 git gud
Phil Fish cancelling Fez 2 after being called "Tosspot" was not only one of the funniest moments in gaming, but also made me start randomly throwing that insult into my own vocabulary.
Well they're not wrong
Petition to change Phil Fish's name to Tosspot
It almost makes me wonder if that was just an excuse to kill the game for some other reason
Can't deny us brits have some of the best insults. Toss pot, cockwomble, and quite simply... Twat.
@@InfernosReaper maybe he was having problems with his team that he didn't want known? I read that apparently he was more of an ideas guy when it came to Fez while other people did the actual programming, art, ect. That isn't really a bad thing on it's own, but it's a bit odd knowing that and then seeing everyone call it a one man indie masterpiece.
There is quite convincing theory that Phil Phish couldn't actually make the game on his own and mostly relied on his partner, who he later broke agreement with and parted ways. Since he couldn't make Fez 2 he found an excuse to tell everyone he's not going to develop it without admitting that he literally can't.
I believe it.
I bet he tried Unity course on youtube before canceling the game
I would believed he didn't even make FEZ either considering he looks and talked like a twat.
Then who made the Switch port...? Where'd it come from?
@@Leebondoop I don't think Phil even works at that company anymore, and even if he was, ports are often farmed out to other studios.
I almost expected to see Digital Homicide and the Romine brothers blowing up, dmcaing folks, and trying to sue Jim Sterling for millions but then I realized that this is game dev meltdowns and that would mean referring to the Romines as game devs and that would just be factually incorrect.
Yeah, they’re “asset cobblers” more like.
Who are they?
@@HamazuraGOD search for “Jim Sterling Digital Homicide” on TH-cam or Google. It’s a shit show for sure.
Thing is, you could do an entire episode on them because they are still around.
Yep, they are now attempting to sell their games on itch.io and posting paragraph long rants about Jim in an attempt to gain sympathy from NOBODY.
@@NathanCassidy721 omg no way. After all that money they lost to litigation? That’s fucking wild!
Dino Dini, Jonathon Blow and Derek Smart look like they were all made with the same character creation tool
Fall Out New Vegas?
They were.
RIGHTTT?????? I was hoping someone would point this out LOL
Bald, angry little men.
RPG Maker?
The whole hoopla with Jonathan Blow can be summed like this. If enough people "didn't get it", it means you did a poor job of getting across what "it" was meant to be.
Johnathan Blow has more than a little stench of pretentiousness to him. I seem to remember him getting really bent out of shape about people saying they liked The Witness but had trouble with some of the puzzles and looked up the answers online, saying something to the tune of those people "Not deserving it".
The Jonathan Blow formula is to take a perfectly good puzzle game who's mechanics and narrative serve each other, and then slather an extra layer of insufferable pretentiousness on top of it (i.e. the nuclear bomb ending in Braid and the completely superfluous quotes in The Witness) to let the player know that Johnathan Blow reads more books than you.
@@SuperLlama42 Lmao even as someone who liked The Witness, this sums it up pretty well.
It's funny. I mean, people interpret art in different ways, because they are different people and have experienced life differently. Even the creator cannot dictate how a person should see their work, because they may have subconsciously seeded in other meanings themselves without realising it.
I don't think Jonathan Blow 'gets it', now I think on it more.
@@SuperLlama42 Ahaha, I definitely understand. Braid is one of my favorite games of all time, for several reasons... and as much as I love it, I also very lovingly call it pretentious as fuck. My light obsession just sees it as another endearing trait by now.
Honestly, I doubt Phil could have made Fez 2 by himself. He never came across as the brains of the operation compared to his partner, who left, and all of a sudden Phil got extra annoyed. Phil didn't cancel Fez 2. You can't cancel something that never had a chance to start.
Well said
I'll never forget Phil Fish. Only person I've ever seen rage quit the industry in real time. Made awful takes then cried at the criticism.
He does pop his head up every now and then, he made a really expensive PSVR game a few years ago.
The guy is just one big manchild.
@@Larryfez also got a switch port
@@LarryWait, he's still relevant?
Derek Smart: I answer to no one
Also Derek Smart: *answers to literally every forum possible*
@Derek Smart The irony in that being a reply is beautiful
@Derek Smart Sup?
@@Kalvinjj i wish it was genuinely him and not a fake account would make me laugh
@Derek Smart Wasssssssssup?
@Derek Smart Wasssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuup
I love how Derek Smart is apparently the Candyman of Game Development. His post must be pinned if he replies here.
Yes!
@@SegaCDUniverse I've been staring at the comment section hoping he shows up. Dare we try summoning him? Derek Smart, Derek Smart, Derek Smart!
@@AMVpurgatory do it!
@@SegaCDUniverse Though I know I should be wary, still I venture some place scary! Join us now, you grumpy fart! Derek Smart, Derek Smart, DEREK SMAAAAARRRRRRT!!!
I'd say he's more like Candlejack. But then again, I haven't heard anyone mention Candlejack in years so I'm sure it's safe to talk about him aga
Hadn't heard about it, but cancelling your planned sequel...
That's either god-tier levels of pettiness, or just him finding an excuse for a project he never wanted to sign up on IRL.
Probably both. The man thought himself a god and believed his Paper Mario Clone was some grand declaration of his superiority. I still laugh that he never bothered to notice that the main character on the box art has two right hands before approving it, though.
@@ForeverLaxx *Super Paper Mario, which didn't had too much time of being released when FEZ was a thing if my memory doesn't fail me (and it probably does) Internet aristocrat did made a point of flaming him in his "Quinnspiracy Theory" series by mentioning that Fish was probably scared of overselling his sequel and just grabbed the first excuse to cancel it, knowing it wouldn't survive the hype.
I remember hearing about this years ago on the Co-Optional Podcast and I immediately thought, “Wow, Phil seems like a real prick.”
Good to know that my personal boycott of FEZ has aged rather well over the years.
@@NathanCassidy721 I got FEZ during a Humble Bundle sale...and made it so that none of the money from that bundle went to FEZ. So I still have it, but he didn't get a cent out of it.
@@NathanCassidy721 I always wanted to try the game out for a while. Looked fun. Now I hear about the dev and go...eh...if i must play it I'll buy secondhand if I can or just go without. Longer list of games to play than lifespan expected and only geting worse, so losing 1 is no big deal.
Man, Phil Fish is the textbook definition of a narcissist.
Maybe he should just tell us what to think of the game and then he could stop complaining we "just don't get it."
@@pferreira1983 Because he doesn't want people to get it, he wants to be this oh-so-misunderstood genius just too far advanced for the rest of us monkeys. He basically thinks he's Rick IRL.
@@philiphart4146 I know. Letting players know what the game really means would mean he's not the superior overlord of knowledge any more.
you spelled Notch wrong
@@philiphart4146 Phil said the reason fez2 what is canceled is because he lost interest.
Imagine taking anything that Soulja boy says “seriously”. Such a foreign concept to me...
He said he "brought" Atari and then Atari told him to take down that and he got pissed lol
He’s still to blame for the old school vs new age rap war
ngl if Soulja Boy hates your game, use that in your advertising.
"Soulja Boy thinks braid is idiotic" ....i have never played braid, but even to me this smacks of pot calling kettle
Or more like, if even a complete wanker like Soulja Boy thinks that Braid is stupid... maybe it's stupid?
Don’t say that about our lord and savior soulja boy
@@Seoul_Soldier As far as I can tell the game is well reviewed, and highly rated, though. More likely, soulja boy just isnt the target audience.
Maybe this was a bad clip but it didn't seem like he was ragging on the game. Well, it sounded like he may have been saying that your actions have no consequence in the game because you can just rewind time and undo something like overjumping, so there's no punishment for your actions. I've not played the game before, though, but from what I saw in the video and going by his tone, that's a fair assessment. I'm sure you can die in the game but if you can rewind to undo mistakes, it also sounds very forgiving
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley It kind of misses the point of the game if you finish it though:
SPOILER WARNING
The game's protagonist is actually one of the scientists who created the Atom bomb and his regret that he can't 'undo' what he has done.
Fez's puzzles always felt like someone who was far too impressed with themselves. Then you listen to him online, and aaaaahhhhh OK.
What, inventing a cypher alphabet and and using a glorified coded input system wasn't subtle enough for you? ;p
"Someone who was far too impressed with themselves." Saying so is the unpardonable sin, but I feel this way every time I've tried to play Earthbound.
@@AMVpurgatory If you knew that Earthbound was hurriedly reprogrammed in two weeks by a single man using a custom scripting language shortly before release, would you be more impressed?
@@XanthinZarda I'm not saying that isn't impressive. I'm just saying that there's a certain smugness to the game that always rubs me the wrong way. I mean there are even multiple characters who do nothing but tell you how great the game is, not to mention the tea breaks that give you a slow text crawl telling you things along the lines of "Your life is exponentially better for playing this game. It's made you a better person. You love this game. You think it's the only true religious experience you've ever had."
It's just a wee bit self-indulgent is all I'm saying.
@@AMVpurgatory Not having played Earthbound, I'm not really qualified to say anything, but that tea-time bit sounds like a gag. I mean, it sounds like they're over-exaggerating with the intention to make fun of themselves. If you feel that I have no idea what I'm taking about and that I should shut up, you're probably right.
I'm shocked Yandere Dev isn't here. You could make an entire video on him and his BS alone
I'm guessing Larry defines a "game developer" as someone who has actually *released* a finished game.
Also it's been covered to death elsewhere
@@guntherhermann4225 touche
@@guntherhermann4225 I know your killphrase. It's "Laputan Machine".
@@sozaj I AM NOT A MACHI
Phil Fish is exactly the kind of guy who will sit there daydreaming about beating someone up but when the actual confrontation happens he will just timidly say something passive aggressive.
So, the typical high school nerd with resentment issues and revenge fantasies
@@Damian_1989 or as tiktok would call it "fatherless behavior"
Phil Fish is the kind of person who talks about how much he wants to do stuff "in Minecraft" but would never do such a thing. And then complains about being put in Twitter Jail for violating the ToS rules on advocating terrorism.
He’s a little weasel btch. Definitely the Nintendo switch meme personified. Sits at home making indies while his wife is getting her back blown out by Chads.
@@ashkitt7719 huh? No
The funny thing about Indie Game: the Movie is now it's all a bit outdated. The indie game industry has matured a lot more and most creators have become far more grateful. In fact the ones who are struggling more are those who used to be part of corporate studios and now have gone indie.
Also a lot of the creators that were in Indie Game have aged about as well as milk.
@@XanthinZarda pretty sure the only one still doing anything is egg mcmuffin
indie games suck ass nowadays
@@bazboyd44 well, the dev of Braid made The Witness in 2016, a very unique puzzle game that I personally really liked. He also works on some new programming language called Jai apparently, and supports the development of other indie games.
Tommy Refenes (bald guy making SMB) was a part of new SMB:Forever recently.
Basically only Phil Fish lost everything he had over a tantrum, others are still relevant in the industry, but yeah, Egg is the biggest of them all, currently doing a 5mil+ kickstarter for an addon for his Isaac Card Game.
@@bazboyd44 Despite my disagreements over Repentance, I feel proud. The guy seems genuinely good, and his more secondary titles like The End is Nigh seriously kick (your) ass.
This 'Heeeellllooo Yoooouuu" hit different. I'm now locking my doors and changing my passwords.
Lol. Getting my house ready home alone style after that.
As I drift off into a deep sleep, I am suddenly shaken awake from a voice coming from my closet. As I turn around to see what the noise was, I hear a voice say "But, hello you." as I finally turn around to see Larry peaking out from the crack between the closet doors.
Quick, grab the simpsons season 4 DVD and put it on his bum
Dino Dini is a funny name
Lmao they always weirded me out a little, but I love his content even if his intro is kinda weird
That Japanese game suck comment from Phil is quite hilarious in hindsight considering how well a lot of Japanese developers are doing right now.
DmC5, RE: Village, FF7 remake, just to name a few.
Maybe because he said that. His words changed the world. Amazing right.
Fez is just a Super Paper Mario clone
@@DevilDante92 Pfft.
I thought he said that about Japanese indie games that (dojin shmups aside) do kind of suck to this day.
"it was as if Derek has his own bat signal,
or *twat* signal."
I'm dying.
RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS!!!
Best line Larry has uttered
Wow Larry called it, this guy really does have nothing better to do than scouring TH-cam comment sections lol. Predictable, but i guess it beats working on gaming mediocrity.
This time he didn't get his coat.
I once reported a bug on the official forum for Universal Combat, and he took the time to personally insinuate it was my fault his game was crashing.
Reminder that Phil Fish once came out of retirement just to cancel a game nobody knew he was making.
That's just hilarious
He seems to have this mindset that he can use the cancelation of his projects as punishment to...someone?...but in reality he's really just punishing himself. Like I get it if you want to exit the games industry, but very few people are going to care if you cancel a project no one has heard about lol
@@tatertot64 I heard he was very depressed when making fez to begin with. So him leaving may be for the best.
@@orangeslash1667 I guess ultimately that's good. I can't honestly make any sweeping judgements on his character that hold any weight, but I do hope he's better now if that's true.
@@tatertot64 The no one heard of Fez 2 is because Phil confirmed it's nothing but concept art.
For some reason I'm imagining a Yugioh card called Dino Dini featuring a t-rex kicking a football.
Y E S!
Now imagine a t-rex trying to make a bed and we'll understand why Dino was such an angry man
They say if you put your ear to the ground you can hear Derek Smart rage typing on a keyboard.
The irony of his last name.
Or punching out a Coke machine.
*typing intensify*
I always get a kick out of people who loudly declare how much smarter they are than you and how little they care about what you have to say when it's obvious that they're sitting in a dark office scouring the internet for any mention of them in order to start an internet slap fight.
@Derek Smart nothing you super smart and sexy person. I would never say anything negative about you.
Sean Murray is a good example of how to take criticism of your work. He buckled to publisher pressure and started hyping up his indie art game as a AAA MMO, then when faced with underwhelmed players, got the team back to work and changed and improved it, for free.
Also, Scott Cawthon.
Bless Sean and people like him. If I'm in his position, I would have a nervous breakdown and have a stare-off at the bottom of the cliff.
In all fairness, much of Sean Murray's work had been lost to a flood that rendered the stored data unusable, so him underdelivering was due to the constraints Hello Games had to cope with rather than a lack of vision or dedication. He was a good developer to begin with, just in a very bad situation.
Kinda feel bad about dunking on him. Still, props to Sean for soldiering on.
To all the people who are seeing this comment thread, if you haven't already, i urge you to see the internet historian's video "the engoodening of no man's sky"
I'm shocked that Phil Fish wasn't first. Until you showed me who was first. In fact, I feel like the thing on Tyler 1 should've been 3rd to Phil Fish at least.
"in no particular order"
If there was a particular order and you were active in the 90s PC gaming scene, then yes you'd see why Derek Smart was #1. He was the poster boy of online tantrums. Phil Fish could have just been his heir apparent.
At least Fez was playable at its launch state. Battlecruiser 3000 AD was released by 2K at an unplayable state and that's what started Smart's legendary Usenet flame war.
To be fair the Tyler 1 incident got the developer fired, which is worse the Fish volunteering to leave the gaming scene.
@@annabella1650 But also that was the fault of the developer, not Tyler. Not saying Tyler is a good guy, but wishing a terrible death on the guy wins no sympathy points.
@@jbzhummerh2gamer
True, and he was wrong for doing that, but I’d say Fish and Smart still beat him out due to how big an ego each of them had. The LoL dev lost it because he kept having to explain why unbanning Tyler wasn’t happening, despite the answer being obvious.
I've met Phil Fish a few times and he's exactly as much a pretentious baby as you'd think him to be.
Did you punch the Hipster bastard in the chin like I would have done?
I'm sorry, I couldn't imagine how awful that must have been.
Gives me the willies...
No you didnt
The Virgin Phil Fish VS The Chad Toby Fox, Dan Salvado, Scott Cawthon, David Szymanski etc.
@@NoahDaArk phil fish is a chad
I can't believe Fez was made by a 7-year-old.
I would have been surprised if Fez wasn't on here
Good thing the thumbnail exists, eh?
I'm surpirsed YIIK didn't make it tbh.
@NessieNip No worries, I think Larry’s saving Andrew (I think that was his name, anyway) for a future episode of Fact Hunt, especially since YIIK isn’t the only dumpster fire he’s made as a game developer. (The other was Two Brothers, if I recall correctly)
The best part about Dino dinny and Mister metokur was the fact that halfway through him ranting and blaming Publishers, he got a phone call from his publisher and had to end the Stream
I feel like the publisher was watching the stream
Derek Smart. Derek Smart........ Derek Smart!
“It’s showtime!”
@Derek Smart Aggggghhhhhh
The legends are true!
@Derek Smart Hopefully the real one shows up now.
@Derek Smart Gonna need proof. No way that you only just made a youtube account in 2016.
J h crist, run
FEZ creator is insane.
I want to play it eventually but I’ll torrent it just because of his stupid meltdown.
If you still have interest in getting FEZ, Phil Fish has left gaming all together and the company that makes FEZ and its ports doesn't give him royalties. This means that if you purchase a copy of FEZ nowadays, not a single penny will fall into Fish's pockets.
@@aaronhussey8522 how that is possible?
@@Eicee-yg6jh Because the game isn't directly owned by Phil Fish himself, it's his company that owns it. Because he left the company, he's not entitled to earning any additional bank from copies sold after his departure unless the new higher ups of his former company allow it, which they don't. As an additional example, Minecraft's creator, Notch, is in a similar situation, so it's not as if this sort of thing happens rarely where directors/producers who leave a company don't get payed additional revenue from.something they made years ago.
@@aaronhussey8522 wow that minecraft dude must be bitting his tounge on his situation! Well, now I get it, thanks man!
@@Eicee-yg6jh Nah Notch sold Minecraft to Miscrosoft for 2.5 billion dollars so he's set for life
That fish dude seems like an incredible tool. The arrogance of some programmers is insane
The part is how he never actually wrote a damn line of code. He didn’t program his only game.
@@jameskowanko7574 Oh, that explains why he said Asian games are bad right after making a Jpanese doujin game.
@@jameskowanko7574 Imagine if he can code..
@@generalbutz8477 he didn't code his game😜🤣?
he's 100% soy
Honorable mention goes out to the developer of the slaughtering grounds for suing Jim sterling for $15 million after Jim made a video saying his game sucked.
And trying to sue an entire Steam group for negatively reviewing their games.
The word "developer" means you have to actually develop something.
Not just slap together stolen assets from the asset store.
Those clown Digital Homicide don't deserve to be called developer. They're blatant parasite.
uuummmm ackshually it was ONLY $10 million
Larry only mentioned some of Phil's escapades. Such as the time he claimed anyone who showed footage of his game owed him money. But if he listed all of them it would take up the whole video. Great job by the way Larry. :)
That calls to mind Masahiro Sakurai's infamous temper tantrum about cutscenes being posted online and refusing to ever include a story in his games again because of it.
He showed the tweet of that
@@corncake4677 Did he? I didn't notice. In either case, definitely another infamous developer tantrum.
@@AMVpurgatory i was refering to phil’s game footage tweet
@@AMVpurgatory that explains why Smash 4 had no story mode
Glad someone else recognises Indie Game the movie as the pile of self-indulgent wank it clearly was.
I was young when I watched it. Other than the bullshit Larry pointed out, what made it so bad? I remember enjoying it, but as I wasn’t necessarily versed in Indy Game Lore at the time, I didn’t exactly have deep insight and just kind of took it at face value.
Yeah, always found it overrated and pretentious
Yeah, it really was the gateway for a host of idiots.
'the indie crew' by JamFaze covers it well. In short they used the imagery of popular indie games, but the focus was on pretentious hipsters with little to no talent hyping up their college projects thinking their 'interactive' stories about their political ideologies were more amazing than anything produced by the AAA industry.
Yep, I pretty much lost all desire to ever play anything by those developers after seeing that movie.
Phil Fish was an insufferable tool on all fronts, and I'd like to say the gaming sphere was made better by his departure.
Couldn't take criticism; lashed out on Twitter nonstop; horrible hot takes. He could have his own video.
I like how the gaming press rolled with the idea that Phil FIsh cancelled Fez 2 because of people calling him a cunt, while the reality was probably closer to him having no clue how to make Fez 2, since the core design of the game wasn't even his idea to begin with. Gotta love an industry that blames its consumers for everything.
The developers of YiiK also had a pretty infamous meltdown on a podcast
"My mistake was thinking games were art"
What a nonce.
@@ForeverLaxx Aren’t games are arts like Tetris Effect and Art of Rally?
yick
I was expecting something related to YiiK be on here ngl.
That guys has remarkably thin skin. He thought he was a genius and when the world informed him to the contrary, he threw a pissy fit. He reminds me of the idiot who made that Half Life fan game, thinking he was so deep and creative.
Was honestly expecting the Jim Sterling kerfuffle to be number 1. I mean, Sueing somoene for a bad review???? yikes
I assume Larry was trying to cover actual game developers, and not hacks who hastily threw together a bunch of pre-made assets and called it a day.
Also he covered it in a different video I think...
@@Magneto411 Yeah asset flipping doesn't really count as game dev, it's more of a money making scheme
@@kronemerj He did. I think it was the Pointless Feuds in Gaming.
@@Magneto411 Does that preclude Gilson B Pontes then?
As someone who's working on a (spicy) game with a friend i salute Phil Fish for his self immolating exit from videogames, thanks to him i think four times about what i say to people when talking about the game so there's no misunderstandings even if the interaction i get from them is negative. Right now interest is minuscule but i dont want to go down in history as the man who surpassed Phil Fish.
Good on you
Good luck on your game!
@@travisbishop782 thank you!
Words only have as much power as you'll grant them to have, and it can be hard to remember that.
I got to personally witness Derek Smart getting banned in real time, once. Frantically refreshing the thread. Good times. Everyone should do that at least once. Like going to Disney World or seeing the Aurora Borealis.
When I saw Blow on the list, I legitimately thought you were going to repeat the Indie Game narrative, but it was all just a clever way to roast the movie. You have both bamboozled and entertained me once again.
Surprised we had no Neil Druckmann, like or hate his games but DMCAing all negative reviews, encompassing everyone as haters to say your game deserves all the awards at the show run by your friends and then making jokes about the abusive work environment you're creating is pretty bad.
No, it's taboo to point out what a pos he is because he's still making sony money.
6:26 My computer Programing 1 teacher forced us to watch that documentary in an attempt to get us to understand Indie Devs. All it did was remind me why I hate Phil Fish.
That might have at least been part of the point your teacher was trying to make, lol. In all 3 cases presented, you got a good mix of how things tend to be for most of your typical aspiring indie devs, and it generally isn't good or enviable in any way, you got to have some serious flaws in most cases to see an indie game through.
With Blow you got the introverts who are always over thinking things and too caught up in their own nonsense ideals that always come across as pretentious convoluted shit to anyone who can look deeper than the surface level pretty paint and gimmicks that keep it all afloat. With Fish you got the unqualified narcissists who are so full of themselves and getting their ego fellated that they can never admit out loud that they are pretty incompetent and don't know what they are doing most of the time, and they absolutely hate it when anyone else says those quiet parts out loud to draw attention to their shortcomings. And finally you got the SMB guys, they've been making flash games for years before coming together to work on their hit, and they were willing to make big personal sacrifices and bet everything on seeing their game through. However they can be a bit OCD and antisocial at times.
To some extent, all of them kinda made it through on a bit of dumb luck with being in the right place at the right time with the right contacts. But there was also something off about all of them that allowed them to dump crazy amounts of time and effort into something with no guarantee of paying off. More often then not, you've got to be a bit of a misfit/malcontent who doesn't tend to fit so well into society. As indie game development can often be a fairly antisocial activity if you want to see things through, as they take a tremendous amount of time and effort and a boat load of disparate skills that often have very little overlap, so you got to be a jack-of-all-trades if you want to go it alone - artist, programmer, fiction author, music composer, sound designer, business manager, spokes person/advertiser/promoter, customer server specialist, etc. It can take decades to get to a decent level of mastery with any one of those, and making a game on your own, or even with a partner, means taking on many, if not all, of those hats yourself.
With all the great engines available these days and the huge library of free knowledge available on the web, it is more accessible than ever before, so there are a growing number of devs who are a bit more well adjusted or doing game dev as a hobby in their spare time. But that also means tons more competition these days and a huge drowning flood of mediocre titles that make it harder than ever to gain attention and traction, even compared to a decade or so back when the devs in that movie were in the limelight.
Basically, I think there is a fair chance that your teacher wanted to disillusion you all of your romantic notions of game development being some easy and fun thing that anyone can do. That movie does a good job of showing the ugly and dark side of indie development that most don't really know about. Showing how much it can take from you and how success can leave you your flaws and dirty laundry exposed for all to see if you do manage to pull off the near impossible and release a game that becomes a big hit. If you aren't passionate about a project to an almost unhealthy level and possessing nearly delusional levels of confidence, it isn't very likely you will manage to come up with something of compelling enough quality that can make you stand out from the crowd in such an over-saturated market these days.
It's been seven years, but people dunking on Phil Fish still makes me howl with laughter. Pretentious Wanker.
I'm grateful to Fish because, IMO, he singlehandedly ended hipster culture by being _such an annoying, whiny and famous hipster,_ he made it extremely uncool with the youth. _Not like hipsterism was ever cool to begin with,_ but he made it look like total dogshit to casual gamers and normies.
"$90 dollars for FEZ", hahahahahaaahehehehe *he can go fvск himself.*
Now we dunk on the guy that shat out Thundercats Roar
@@glidershower dont forget that he also thinks little games like his are better than any japanese game
Fez is an ok little game but if i go to the "best selling video games of all time" list, i see a lot of Japanese games....oh and whats this? Fez is nowhere on it
@@mrroboshadow fez has some really awful features which make it horroble to play unless you're a hipster.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo it has some innovative ideas so its not a bad game per say
But what ideas it had, have since been done better by other games
I really liked Fez and was mad when Fish had his little meltdown and cancelled Fez 2 but one positive thing is that I didn’t have to give that fruitcake another dollar and he’s faded into irrelevancy.
Hes disappeared from the gaming industry. Doesnt own fez at all anymore
@@avernales121 Who owns Fez now?
"If games had terrorists..."
That only works in the context of the Counter Strike games. Not when complaining against somebody that gets a bit angry.
I love your videos man, they have that early 2000s feel like the gaming shows I used to watch as a kid on TV.
Guru Larry used to help make those gaming shows on G4 and the British equivalent back in the 2000s.
@@jamescarrino3696 was it guru gaming?
NOW TV and TechTV, for one. Guru Larry feels like he was transported out of time.
@@jamescarrino3696 oh did he really? Then it’s not much of a coincidence as I’ve thought. Just his transition theme/song alone evokes those early 2000 feels.
I was halfways expecting to see the salt from the pretentious hipsters behind YIIK, but even without it this list is still brimming with unwarranted self-importance and punchable faces.
The greatest philosophers of our time are still trying to determine how much of YIIK is supposed to be ironic and how is supposed to be earnest. From RunningShine to Tehsnakerer, nobody can find the right side up arrow on that box of lunacy.
@@jamescarrino3696 Philosophy then: God is dead, we killed him.
Philosophy now: Your sister is dead, but nobody cares about that right now!
At least the YIIK devs updated the game so the main character can be muted.
Honestly if a person’s first reaction to criticism is something like “you just don’t get it”, they’re either in need of growing up or a lost cause. Sure maybe some people are missing the point, but some of that falls on them for not communicating it well and not considering if the point is clear. Sure YIIK’s protagonist was meant to be an ass of the highest order, but that doesn’t make it any better.
I was expecting to see those YIIK whackjobs too. Hipster nobodies like that fit in well with these god-complex losers.
@@annabella1650 That is true. They also didn't wish death upon their critics as far as I know, which alone elevates them somewhat above some of the guys on this list.
One lesser know dev breakdown is a writer for guild wars 2. After a sugestion from a fan she went on a tyrade about her credentials and how she doesn't need people telling her how to do her job in her private space (completely public twitter).
The mentioned fan acted cordial but the writer's tirade got the whole fanbase angry at her and she got fired. Gaming urinalists then picked her up so she can push a narrative of sexist game publishers bowing to the mob, refusing to acknowledge that she was being an awful person while representing the company.
Oh I remember that. Wasn't that like an odd year of stuff like that. Like little petty blow ups then the audience don't like it and denounce it and game journals basically going "Mansplaining." Or "gamergate is the reason for this." Well they're still blaming the slightest thing on GG.
@@LadyBern As I understood it, many of the players hated that she was turning nearly every male character in the story into a whimpering baby, closeted gay, or openly gay, while making her favorite big-name female NPC some kind of savior that every other NPC and player-character loved and deferred to. Basically, the early warning signs of the agenda infiltrating gaming. Hilariously, her blow up had nothing to do with this and instead she got mad at someone bringing up how difficult it can be to make a narrative compelling in an MMO, suggesting dialog trees, and she decided that person was telling her how to do her job.
Everyone I talked to regarding her firing though was glad she was gone because she was ruining the established lore and story in order to shove in her Mary Sue fanfic in its place.
@@ForeverLaxx i didn't know that much. All i knew was the unwarranted rant. And i just remembered that the colleague that white knighted her git the boot too.
I mostly remember it as a warning of what happens when you use your company position for those social media points. Then your otherwise dumb hottake can nab you actual consequenses
@@ForeverLaxx "she got mad at someone bringing up how difficult it can be to make a narrative compelling in an MMO" Clearly she wasn't taking any notes from the FFXIV story team. lol But then, she couldn't have as those notes would've clearly indicated her narrative was garbage, and I'm sure she was hellbent on keeping her crap story.
On the bright side, at least Tyler did change. Funny how the person that got banned is better than the dev that complained about him.
Also once Yandere Simulator releases in 2057, Yandere Dev is definitely getting on this list.
"once Yandere Simulator releases"
thinking that scam game will ever release XD
@@Jessica-yl2gu Back in 2018 I tried running it. that was a bad idea as I had to crank the settings down just to even exit the game. You know a game is a scam if you can't even exit.
As soon as I saw the title, I thought, "Okay, the Fez guy and who else?" I don't understand how he and Blow didn't have social media advisors/directors/whatever. If the face of your company is very talented but is otherwise horribly toxic, why would you keep allowing him to speak out and destroy your company? Did they really think all publicity is good publicity?
I forgot just how much of a tool Phil Fish actually was/is. He continually talked shite, and then left the industry when he was called out for it. So spineless.
But remember, he didn't do it because he got called out for it. He did it to get out of gaming!
Pfft.
What a fucking loser.
I wonder how many times Mr. Fish has been thoroughly beaten in life??
"I wish the games industry was a building so I could burn it down" Didn't he say something like that?
@@Jazzypants2007 He's a tosser whose ego was inflated by the success of Fez. It's almost as if he though that making one well received game gave him the right to criticise anyone he wanted.
@@zenksren8206 I can't remember exactly, because it was such a long time ago now, but it was words to those affect.
>calls Japanese games shit for having bad graphics
>his game is literally pixel art
Speaking of developer tantrums. Have you heard about David Cage's recent one in court? To quote the Kotaku article "Cage allegedly cried on the stand, stomping his feet, screaming about interferences to his business and damage to his honor, and eventually storming out of the court room altogether."
Edit to add some clarity: This happened on the may 27/28 trial. Was originally reported by Solidaires Informatique (A French workers union) on the 31st. Kotaku and screen rant did articles on it on June 4th (2 days ago, so when I say recent I mean it). Also to add fuel to the fire the other CEO of quantic Dreams, Guillaume de Fondaumiere, asked the judge if he could lie in court because he wasnt under oath
Wow. I've never hear of that incident, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. He has the whole "I'm not like other girls" thing going whenever he mentions his games.
Kotaku being what it is I would take that article with a beerstein of bleach.
We all should let him treat his employees like crap, because he's trying to make movies! I mean, video games! Actually, I mean *art*.
It's still fresh news so I imagine when the details become a bit more clear (afaik all of the info comes from translations of french publications) we'll get a proper guru larry video on it.
Biggest hack in gaming. And that's saying something.
Gonna be honest
I haven’t played FEZ purely out of the creator and his pissy arguments.
Only reason I played it is because I got it for free.
It is decent, but you miss out on nothing tbh.
It is literally nothing to write home about. Phil Fish is a giant hack
Yeah, I wanted to play it as a huge fan of Super Paper Mario which is one of those awful Japanese game Fez was clearly inspired by but Phil being a prick made me not even pirate it.
I got it from PS+ and still haven't played.
Horrible, arrogant little man.
”Dinosaur dinisaur” genuinely made me laugh out loud. 😂 Mr Biffo’s the best.
Imagine getting mad over literally playground "insults".
Honestly surprised Randy "I left my USB full of porn at a Medieval themed restaurant" Pitchford isn't on the list.
I think Larry talked all about Randy's f*ck ups in another vid, such as that time he 'wrote' a song about who he perceived as bigots and such.
"FEZ II is cancelled"
and nothing of value was lost.
Why? I would definitely have bought that
What are you on about? I play games. You play games. We would've played it.
If people on Twitter weren't such assholes, poking hornet nests with pointy sticks, we may have had a Fez 2.
@@SiisKolkytEuroo fez was really fun tho
It could have been a good game. What bothers me more is all the people that were put out of a job because of Fish.
@@Fakan Put out of a job? Polytron is still around you know
I like Indie Game The Movie but it makes me realise how hilarious in hindsight given what game developers are like.
Yeah I was quite surprised to hear that it's reportedly well known as being a crap documentary - Until this point I was under the consensus that it was quite well liked. (i also like it - though not seen it for a couple of years !)
Same, I love that doc! Rewatch it on the regular!
I enjoyed it. But I like video games and game development.
@@mcbpete it was very well received and is a well-made documentary.
@@mcbpete Everyone who was deep into 'the scene' watched it and loved it. Just about everyone else didn't bother. And the few that did couldn't even make it through the entire thing.
We need a part 2 with Neil Druckmann and YandereDev.
Yanderedev is the DSP of game development. Nothing can ever be his fault.
Druckmann and The last of us 2 could have an entire episode for everything that went on
Putting YandereDev on this list would imply that he's ever actually developed a game.
@@maybeitsneato Saying that he's "developing" anything is a bold choice of words. He's just pretending to, so he can continue to gather Patreon scraps.
All he's developing is memes and speedruns about how toxic his communities are, and like most other things under his name, he's not even doing the actual work.
yanderedev: IT'LL BE FINISHED WHEN IT'S FINISHED!
everyone: it's been 7 years and you haven't even started on one rival.
Every time you say "Hello you" I always say "Oh, hello Larry"
Manners and all that.
I love how many Bullfrog games there were in this episode's opening, when dear old Mr. Molyneux gets let off the hook.
When the whole intro is one long subtle Peter Molyneux joke
Honorable mention to Tale of Tales for their response to poor sales of their game Sunset. I actually like some of their games but that reaction was frankly embarrassing.
I clicked the video hoping to see Tale of Tales on the list.
They had 8, a Myst like puzzler story revolving around a sleeping beauty like theme. It wouldn't have been the big trending game they wanted but it would've done decently if they had finished it.
But nope they though afro American college student working as a maid in Cuba during the revolution would be their fnaf of niche indie games.
Worst is that actually sounds amazing... If anyone other than ToT was doing it. what's the point of putting it during that time when the game is about cleaning up an apartment and making minor choices that means nothing rather then, idk exploring Cuba and taking to the people during the revolution!
It could've been during the civil rights era and nothing wouldn't changed because you're in one semi surreal setting cleaning up a damn apartment!
They've been doing that since the jump, they made an MMO where you play as human-faced deer who can only scream and when people started playing the game just to spam the scream button they shut it down
They are a prime example of not only vastly overestimating their importance, but also vastly failing at understanding on how to make a product that people actually want, and will pay money for. Not finding a demographic for anything you do, should have been a wake up call on what you're doing not working. Instead, they doubled down and retreated to pedantic name calling and salt, by being entitled to success.
Tale of Tales are the Uwe Boll of game developers. Pretty much all their games were funded via a loophole where they got grants from a public funding program in their country by saying their games were "experimental media", a big part of why they ragequit beside the failure of Sunset was said program being shut down, and of course who else did they blame for their misfortune but eeeevil right-wingers
Havent even watched and I'm expecting Randy Pitchford
Whomp whomp
Not enough room for *that* ego.
It's difficult to draw the line between arrogance and genuine mental health problems sometimes, especially since the two aren't mutually exclusive and innocent people can be caught in the crossfire if either are handled badly.
Being a public figure in any capacity should entail needing a psychologist as a matter of course and assuming that it shows weakness instead of responsibility should be called out as behaviour that is childish and harmful.
My first college roommate played a ton of league of legends, one time he smashed a key board as I was sleeping. It was a really nice gaming one. When I came back from class that day he was using a shity key board from the school store, back to playing league.
There needs to be another list of this, you still haven't touched more modern dev tantrums, like the ooblets devs
thanks for making me feel old because i thought this list was about "modern tantrums" but yes, he has to make a more updated one, i still have ooblets on my wishlist lol
Oh dear, whatever happened to Oob---
_OH, RIGHT._
Golly, it feels like a distant faded memory!
What is it about being an "indie" dev that makes someone love the smell of their own farts? Although if I remember correctly the main drama was that Ooblets was crowd funded, and set to release on Steam, then they turned around and took an Epic exclusive deal, then made a really shitty blog post abput it then wondered why the bees attacked after they kicked the nest.
@@BunnaySango And I feel like there was a "one step deeper" given they've apparently vanished off the face of the earth, given there's not even any user reviews for it yet.
@@BunnaySango Maybe it has to do with the fact that most of this IndieDevs come from a time when being indie was so much more difficult. Now anyone with a PC can make one and you don't actually need to invest your own money or to court a publisher in order to release a videogame.
Think about how many fantastic games have come from Japan since Phil Fish has said that Japanese games suck. Even doing just a general google for Japanese games from 2012, there seemed to be a few good games from that year too.
Catherine was very innovative when it came out (which would be around the time or so if his tweet). A puzzle platformer with a relatable adult story plus amazing music.
Japan-made games like Bayonetta, Nier:Automata and of course Persona 5, has been on the rise on the years that followed and have seemingly gone over the proverbial creativity hump.
The guy doesn't know shit about game if he said that.
(pulls out really thick book of Japanese developed games) I beg your pardon?
In my opinion, i think Fish was reffering to the state of Japanese games at that time, as games with japanese flavor have lost its lust in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
I remember years ago the dev behind Meme Run posted a huge twitter thread about how reviewers didn't "get" his game, and they were killing his business by calling it the worst wii u game. Some youtuber stepped in to back him up and everything. It was really embarrassing and the whole thread was deleted the next day. Wonder if there's any shred of evidence that it happened still out there.
The guy also almost got sued for using the troll face in their game without permission and the troll face creator's on record saying that the developer's basically a manchild, he also cancelled a whole other game after being caught plagiarizing someone else's sprite art
I remember that Marcus Beer 'BlowFish' video, and he was 100% right. These two put themselves in the public eye (including the aforementioned high profile documentary film) back in 2013 when the term 'indie game' had certain connotations and there weren't 1000 games released on Steam every day, it's not totally unreasonable to be asked your opinion on the subject.
This video helped remind me of another form of recent irony: Fez was finally added to the Nintendo switch. I guess Japanese developers finally caught up to Phil's level of excellence, huh? Yeesh
given that japanese devs literally did the concept five years before fish doesn't really help his case at all.
The passive aggressive ones are the funniest ones
I read the title and said, _"Okay, Phil Fish and who else?"_
He's in the thumbnail goddamit
@@Nov-5062 I hadn't looked at the thumbnail yet because they're so tiny on the mobile notifications page, goddammit.
Fair enough. Phil fish really is a douche
Neil Druckmann desperately trying to get TLOU2 to win player's choice only to make a tweet so cringe it cost him the award instead.
And yet still he managed to bribe his way into GOTY.
that wasn't a tantrum at all nazi troll
I don't hate TLOU2 but he single handedly made it put a bad taste in my mouth
@@jadedheartsz Hahaha! Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
@@Superluigi881 Damn right i'm serious, you're making a total ass of yourself troll, let me guess you're one those fools that thinks Disney paid for positive reviews for Last Jedi right? I can smell you bozos from light years away.
I really liked Braid. But what I think a lot of people missed, even the creator himself, is that what made the game great was the gameplay and not the "artiness" as I call it. Also, the game seemed to help create the "Games as Art" movement that has seemed to destroy the indie game scene ever since.
An honourable mention is Mike "Murderback" Maulbeck, who was so tilted that Steam accidentally listed his co-created game Paranautical Activity as Early Access that he went on a Twitter tirade and even tweeted death threats of Gabe Newell. Needless to say Valve pulled the game from the platform entirely, and Mike has since left both his company and the gaming industry as a whole.
Top 10 dev oof moments
How hard is for him to be nice?
Phil Fish could cry enough tears to fill up a whole new ocean on the planet 😆
I always like that the people with the fewest games under their belt are the most defensive about it and tend to tie their entire personality around that one game. Dini has en entire shelf in his house dedicated to a single game. How sad is that?
Was their one developer who made one game that ended badly?
Toby Fox came to my mind with Undertale, but I think Fox moved on with Delta Rune…
@@fernie-fernandez Toby Fox also made or contributed to a few other things long before Undertale took the world by storm, if mostly in his capacity as a composer. He's no one-trick pony, despite what some have (mostly jokingly, but some seriously) said.
People are talking about "things" and "stuff" but you won't catch me playing that game
The fact that alot of comments only speak about Phil Fish means the guy was the most hated out of all in the list
Hey Mr Larry, I really enjoy your videos and the vibe you put out. Keep making more please.
Will do, new video will be up Saturday in fact!!! :)
Awesome!!
Sweet a Larry Bundy Jr video! Thank you for your book it is amazing!
Ah wow, you bought it? Thank you!!!
@@Larry Bought it? I backed it! Got the signed copy
@Derek Smart Unfortunately not no :( But I'd be honored if you'd ever consider writing a foreword for the second :D
12:01 Mario Strikers Charged Football music.
Thanks for reminding me of this awesome ost larry you legend :D
Reminds me that we have a case of these crazy devs here in Brazil too, the one from Miner Ultra Adventures (hilariously bad game) went apeshit on negative reviews on Steam calling all kind of cuss words and such, it's about as hilariously stupid as the game itself
Can't say I'm shocked lol
Derek Smart's redemption ark was "star citizen". I remember his comments on the game, where he said something to the effect of "yeah, this is the game i have always wanted to make, but it's just not possible", and he gave what i found to be sound reasoning so i avoided star citizen. This was like 5 or 6 years ago, and that game is still under development. I think he was spot on, and star citizen will probably be finished a decade from now when the tech exists....
@@noisyboyuk Nope, not Derek Smart. I am working on some video ideas, and if i can follow through with them you will see some insane min maxing on my channel.
God the Fish shit is still so fun to talk about because it’s so bonkers like...the dude literally seemed to not like gaming at all like if everyone is inferior just make the game for just you XD it’s like he made it just to dunk on everyone even though he was getting a bunch of praise...even saying it was the best game of all time didn’t seem to be enough
5:58 I can get not being too happy when people make fun of your game... but hey, they're having fun. Even if they're shitting on it.
I'd count that as a win.
Soulja Boy roasting Braid just sounds hilarious
What Derek Smart should do are Let's Plays of his own games executing it perfectly and going through explaining why he thinks it's great. That would at least be respectable.
Let's be real, he'd just call you a numpty or something for even positing the idea and make excuses not to.
You forgot to mention the poor Coke machine that Derek vented his frustration at. Any mention of that always gets his flying into a rage!
Your accent in The Routledge Rant was an absolute piece of art.... pure gold.👌⭐️👍
Thanks, took me a couple of tries to get it right :D
I remember that livestream with mr.metokur! it was so funny he went to say "it's usually the producers who screw over games" then he got a call and comes back saying "that was my producer..."
I bet YandereDev is in this.
If not, MAKE PART 2 NOW.
I would've put Yuji Naka on that list too. He basically threw a tantrum because Sega Technical Institute got permission to use his NiGHTS engine.
@@Clbull118 you watched that video about sonic xtreme as well?
@@Clbull118 Was that a public meltdown, though?
Can you really be called a game dev if you haven't released a game?
I'm just gonna say IGNORE HIM, He feeds of ANY attention.
Reminder that Phil Fish wasn't involved in making the bulk of code for Fez, and was incapable of producing the sequel on his own. His twitter meltdown was a convenient excuse to "cancel" the thing he wasn't skilled enough to develop.
Didn't he steal the code from one guy, steal the graphics and code from another, then vilified them in the indie game documentary?
Agreed, Fish was a total knob... but man I was super obsessed with Fez. That game was pixellated gold.
Knob is putting it politely, he screwed over a lot of people to get where he is, even knifing his best friend and his family in the back.
The way you read Riot’s remark on Tyler1, as if you were him & the emphatic nature, is just comedic GOLD