I am Aaron Thomas mentioned about 7 minutes in. While I did hear from the whole world that they weren’t happy about my Ratchet & Clank score, Jeff did his job as EIC and did his best to insulate me from the business pressures he received as a result of this “horrible” score. Jeff’s boss was not as professional and because of him I could tell there was some fallout. I do remember hearing that Sony canceled some advertising and an appearance in On The Spot that week because of the score. Fun fact: Several years later I went on to work for PlayStation for 5 years, and one of my interviews took place in the “Ratchet” conference room, and the other in “Clank.”
Person: "So what do you have to say for yourself?" Filip Muicinex: "I did not have sex with that woman." Person: "...Did you just steal your apology?" Filip Muicinex: "....no."
"It was really fun and charming and it did what it set out to do. It's very enjoyable, and is well worth the money. It has a good framework on which future features can be built. It could very well be a timeless classic, and I can see myself going back to this in 5, 10, or even 20 years. But it isn't perfect. It has problems, but _nothing_ is perf--" *_FIRED._*
How is it possible that Jim Sterling's case where he received similar backlash for giving 'Zelda: Breath of the Wild' a 7 out of 10 seems less dumb in comparison? I thought it was pathetic when Zelda fanatics cried and complained over a 7/10, and the MetaCritic score dropping by literally 1%, but complaining, harassing and getting angry over an 8.8 out of 10? That's beyond sad. I guess Jim Sterling was right: Zelda fanatics are so fragile that they should all be swords in Hyrule.
videogames have always skewed ridiculously high in review scores people think 70 = c = average so 7 is a *purses lips sideways raising eyebrows posing with copy of game* "mehh" type game when on an actually accurate scale 7 is a very respectable score
He deserves so much more hatred than Jeff did from that huge angry mob of Nintendo and Legend of Zelda fans, so much so that both Death and Hell are a fitting punishment for his punishment in gaming industry standards
@@iami3rian394 A good reviewer or journalist doesn't plagiarize especially not from the company that hired him. He may have caused for you to find the original, the controversy ultimately involved brought you to boomstick review as well as myself.
He did both at the same time. The 3rd season of Burnistoun was aired in 2012 when this happened. I'm with Rab though. It's one of the things I hate most about gaming.
@@InsideSmoke I finally realized where I'd seen him before. Not from anything game-related, but the hilarious Scotsman in a voice activated elevator sketch.
your job or your opinion? they all unfinish anyhow so just said... it fine give it 7 and move on.... viewer in today world don't just buy a game becuase it got good review... they want to know what they aleady decided... it not a charity.....
Even as someone who adores Twilight Princess, I feel that 8.8 was too generous, even. It had a lot of things - especially on its original Wii release - that made it kind of a slog at points to get through, so I hardly see how his review was unfair.
2007 - journalist fired for having a honest opinion 2019 - review site freezes user scores because studio does not want the actual user score to be seen. _And it's at 86% to this very day!_
@@ScrewAttackEurope I never saw about that despite enjoying your content for a good few years. Congratulations on the willpower for a healthier lifestyle, long may it continue.
@@ScrewAttackEurope You look great Larry! Perhaps you may possibly try a new hair style? Just a suggestion, please dont get your pitchfork and go after me lol, but none the less it is great to see and hear you are taking care of your health :)
This made me realize I haven't read real game reviews in ages and instead see Let's Plays on the rare occasion I'm actually considering dropping money on a new game. Seeing actual gameplay beats the old days of "hoping for the best."
I don't know what i find more crass: that games publishers (and occasionally even developers) insist that reviews and articles should be free promotion rather than, you know, actual journalism and critiques, or that such a large part of the consuming public agrees with that. Also, I swear, Zelda fans may well be even more lunatic than Sonic fans.
To be fair thanks to the rabid Zelda fan base I can now tell how good a reviewer is by their reaction. I mean I already trusted good old Jim Sterling but the hate he got for saying he hates breakable weapons in Breath of the Wild and gave it quite a low score led to them going crazy on him, enough to tell me it was probably spot on.
Games Journalists: "Gamer's are babies." Also Games Journalists: *Creates enough controversies that it's hard to keep track of just how many there are*
@@warpzone8421 Oh, you poor lamb. You probably shouldn't trust everything ZOE QUINN says about the "conspiracy" against ZOE QUINN. How do you suppose she just happen to be there when this was being "planned"?
@@nobodyinparticular9640 You can be your own boss and say whatever you want, just don't be like Jim Sterling. For the love of all what is holy, please don't.
You will have way more credibility by recording yourself in the toilet pants down with a walmart mic talking about why Splatoon is kids shooting themselves with piss for 20 minutes, than a game journo.
I'll never understand the Filip one. Imagine having the enviable job of writing about games for a living, but apparently not being arsed to do the leg work? Absolutely threw it away.
@@RoseTintedSpectrum self-delusion acquired over time. Probably started with small acts of plagiarism but they grew more bold as he continued to go completely unchecked. People who do stuff like this also tend to have a mental illness.
He has been looking better and better every video I've watched. Looking great, Guru Larry! I've also been enjoying your awesome content too much to really say anything. I love your content.
Update from the man himself: he's down by 130 lbs! Damn near 10 stone for those across the pond. XP twitter.com/LarryBundyJr/status/1257106976934449164
@@overweightactor You can do a LOT just by managing your calorie intake. Body weight is managed in the kitchen, not the gym. Get a good routine going and you can slowly but steadily hit any (BMI >18) goal weight you want.
Man I remember the 8.8 outrage, though some of it was also just trolls throwing more fuel into the flames because even back then watching fanboys lose their shit was prime entertainment
It’s funny because it happened again with a 7.5 Skyward Sword review from Gamespot several years later, and then again when Jim Sterling “dared” to give BOTW a 7.0. Every series has its fans, but I swear Zelda fans are the most toxic. Inevitably, several years down the road once all of the hype and fanboy fervor dies down, people always come around to agree with these more balanced reviews too. People claim that reviewers are biased and/or paid off, and then go into full on hivemind outrage if a reviewer gives virtually any Nintendo game less than a 9. The fans and outrage culture probably actually has more control over these review sites than the actual publishers do.
@@bass-tones Zelda fans are nothing compared to the GTA crowd. If I remember right, some critics were actually getting death threats for giving GTA IV (or was it V?) a 9 out of 10. Apparently 9 isn't good enough, lmao.
@@bass-tones I think that the companies themselves influence these comments and outrage, themselves, in order to influence the journalists to print favorable reviews. The best and most informative of comments are those that treat the software fairly, but do raise the points where weak programming and lazy assed efforts were displayed. Today this is nearly every software company. Today the bugs are features, and the devs do not give a shit about our complaints.
how long you had to watch they play the game before you will buy them... since when you got them you know what to do.... which lost half the fun already..... i would just look at review... and look at do i had time to play this? or just wait until price go down...
For me, if I'm actually waffling on whether or not to buy a game and have to seek out some reviews, I know that I'm really just super bored and wouldn't even consider buying the game if I had anything better to do.
@@GiordanDiodato Yeah, but I can generally tell if I'm interested in a game by looking at it. I also used to watch my older brothers play games while I messed around on an unplugged second controller. So watching a game is a good entry point for "is this something I want to play in the future"
Wait. Jeff Gerstmanh received insults and death threats for giving 'Zelda: Twilight Princess' an 8.8 out of 10? Wow. How is it possible that Jim Sterling's case where he received similar backlash for giving 'Zelda: Breath of the Wild' a 7 out of 10 seems less dumb in comparison? I thought it was pathetic when Zelda fanatics cried and complained over a 7/10, and the MetaCritic score dropping by literally 1%, but over an 8.8 out of 10? That's beyond sad. I guess Jim Sterling was right: Zelda fanatics are so fragile that they should all be swords in Hyrule.
Thing is though, this isn’t a purely Zelda thing, it’s an issue where you take things like game reviews too seriously. Immediately what comes to mind is when a reviewer for Uncharted 4 gave it a negative review and prevented it from getting a perfect score on Metacritic. Once again, people sent death threats directly to him and petitioned for him to re-review the game. Fact is, when you have a large fanbase like Zelda and Uncharted do, you are going to have nutcases who respond like this
I'm a rather big fan of Zelda, but that is absolutely pathetic. Mind you, it's more of a fanboy thing than a pure Zelda thing - look at any game with a crazy fanbase. Undertale immediately comes to mind.
@@Spore9996 I'm aware, hence why I said 'fanatic' instead of 'fan'. Yes, I'm aware that fan is short for fanatic, but apparently the two words have different meaning these days (which I don't get why).
When I was writing reviews for Spectrum games in Crash magazine back in the day my opinions good or bad generally went into print. We did occasionally have software houses try to influence our scores, but they generally accepted them. I think I awarded a Crash Smash accolade or two in my time there :-)
Yep. Well said Mark. Some software houses were angrier than others when their game didnt get 100% but generally they settled down in time for the next game release. And the main thing was that we had the support of the seniors to back us up.
Wow at people getting so angry at “low” reviews (8.8/10 wtf). Seriously mental problems. Or at least complete lack of anything important in their life if something so small can make them that upset.
You should have seen the shit tsunami that hit when someone gave Breath of the Wild less than 8 out of 10. I counted ten heart attacks, fifteen strokes and enough high blood pressure to give all of us the first stave of diabeetus. It was sad.
@@KingSigy That's why I like to read reviews from people who aren't a fan of the genre they are playing. I find if you like a style of game it is easy to overlook the flaws in it, flaws that might irritate someone who is not a fan but willing to dip their toes into the water.
@@voteDC But then you get stuff like IGN's review of God Hand. A 3/10 because the guy reviewing it didn't like any beatemups and they handed him the most mechanically deep one on the ps2.
@@Jeranhound There were also lots of reviews elsewhere that praised it. I want to see reviews from people who don't like a genre because it gives a far better picture of what the game is like when combined with the reviews from people who do like the genre.
I agree. 8.8 is a perfectly reasonable score for Twilight Princess. I absolutely love the game, but it does have some flaws that keep it from being perfection. He did NOT deserve the hate he got over that.
@@TheXenoxen Hehe. I remember the crap Rooster Teeth talked about him, questioning his integrity… …all while showing off their collector's edition Pip-Boys. They got called out on that hypocrisy.
Huh... I agree with Jeff about Twilight Princess. It ain't perfect, but I know some who'd give it even less. I really liked it, and I'm a massive fan of Zelda, but I'm not blind.
I mean, that's generally the consensus the game has now. Not quite squeezing into the Zelda A-list, but really solid in its own right. People just get blinders about a new hotness in an established lineage, especially when they haven't gotten to play it yet (which I think was true at the time for Twilight Princess). You can see much the same thing even today. The FFVII remake's probably around an 8.8/10 (I'd even say that's generous), but it's at least a year until you get to say that without the knives coming out.
@@crumpetface The wolf transformation gimmick was kinda cool, but it needed something extra. Although I know a lot of people were not fond of it (or were possibly just being negative about it to annoy people 🤔). I mean, especially considering you've got a shape shifting imp on your back XD How closed off the map was with those weird barriers didn't help either.
@@EinDose I know some of the way they padded out the thing was a bit much, but yeah, 8.8 sounds about right. I'm slightly concerned about the fact that SqueEnix don't quite know which direction they're going to take now though... I'd like to see them open it up a bit, but not if it's going to turn into the confusing road trip that was FF15... and I mean... they'll have to return to Midgar eventually, so they can't change it too much. 🤔
I remember seeing one review of Ocarina from Time in the UK. "A tour-de-force, one of the best games ever written. 89%." I don't know how they survived tbh
As person that sees Zelda Twilight Princess has one of the best games ever I think his review it totally fair so I want to distance myself from those fans as if they where coughing right now.
granted, some video game journalists have stupid reasons for giving a game a lower score. For instance, some guy at Game Informer gave Sonic Generations 6.75/10 because it "reminded him of how far Sonic has fallen." Even though that had nothing to do with the game. And let's not forget the IGN ORAS review
@@GiordanDiodato honestly,I never take reviews from videogame websites seriously. I remember this ign reviewer giving a lower score to Ducktales Remastered and a questionable high score to the Ellen Paige game ( I even forgot the name of the game). People were mad, but I didn't mind. Saw the articles and went to get Ducktales on ps3 right after it. Videogamedunkey did a great editorial on game reviewers. Watch it if you can.
I'm sure glad Zelda fans have grown up now and nothing like that ever happened again. Oh who am I kidding? I couldn't even keep a straight face typing that.
Great vid, Larry. Nice to see my brother briefly, too! (He was on the right chatting to Gerstmann in that one "interview" clip.) Sadly, this is a subject fairly close to my heart, as I regrettably know first-hand how easy it is to get pushed out the door of the commercial games press if you have the "wrong" opinions on things -- even if said opinions are completely innocuous, just "wrong". But I won't bore you with the details right now.
4:38 R.I.P. Ryan Davis (another subject entirely) anyway the whole Jeff Gerstmann thing was BS, however it was part of the reason Giant Bomb was formed and I liked giantbomb
Working a desk job and have this LBJ playlist saved for a random watch to pass the time and although I knew it was coming when you dropped the, “Nigel,” during the Gerstmann portion bout had me on the floor 🤣😂 how in the hell ur not sitting at millions of subs is an absolute injustice… keep living the dream my man!
I love that you used the words "Half Inched" at 10:50 Larry. I've not heard that said by anyone in many many years, but it still remains my favourite way to say Pinched, stolen, nicked, ripped off, taken without permission etc.. Last time I personally heard anyone use 'Half Inched' was Norman Lovett Portraying Holly on Red Dwarf.
@@Kylehudgins To be fair,gettign a haircut unless you're accurate with a pair of scissors isn't exactly possible right now. He does look like he's trimmed down quite a bit!
@@whitesquirrel4131 It's called sarcasm. Seeing you're oblivious to any sort of subtlety, I can't expect much enlightenment from you. Rethink your comment.
Peter Glagowski I value the opinion more of people who are adding the impact of their lost funds on the experience they received from those funds over people who have no financial investment added to their opinion
Peter Glagowski you’re KIDDING right? Have you ever been on an Internet forum? There’s no more powerful cry of complaint than I SPENT MONEY FOR THIS. FIX THIS TRASH!
*The ones who should be fired are the clowns from IGN who said Sonic was never good.* Now that I’ve got your attention. What would happen if the Sonic Twitter took potshots at the people who still beat the dead horse known as Sonic 06?
I worked with Rab a good few years ago now and got to say the guy is a gentleman.... His enthusiasm for what he did then, and still does now, shines through.
@@Larry hey we are just glad you pulled through bud, I've been a fan and subscriber for many years and hope to have you around making us laugh for many years to come!
You're looking good Larry, except for the mopatop (like us all), looks like lockdowns been treating you well mate! Another nice video to get stuck into. Although I'm still waiting for the excuse for you to make a "Mike Hunt" episode. Maybe you could wriggle it into a "All the Mikes at Watch Mojo" special or something... hehe... keep up the great work mate.
I hate how people keep talking about how "it's a true open world!" meanwhile the amount of sacrifices they had to make to the combat system with the shitty 4 enemy types that get stronger universally are pretty much as good as having no enemies at all, it's an open world where you can go anywhere but do nothing.
This reminds me of the reeeeing of certain wing of the internet and media after Black Panther got a review that wasn't an unbridled praise and a perfect score. And it was over a week before the movie even came out in theatres, all the rotten tomatoes reviews were from "critiques" and "movie journalists".
I use to watch & miss X-Play with Adam Sessler & Morgan Webb where they would talk about and play various video games and giving a rating based on if it was good or not and worth picking up.
I miss the anime and M.X.C. from that channel...at least I think M.X.C. was on that channel. --Edit-- Never mind MXC was on Spike while X Play, and Anime Unleashed were on Tech TV/G4.
For those wondering the sweet sweet bony sounds in Larry's backing track towards the end was from much underappreciated PS2 game 'gitaroo man' and i love this video all the more for including it! All the best Larry!
I was visiting gamespot every single day. All I ever did was watch and read gamespot. So when Gerstman got fired I did know about it until years and years after the fact. All I knew was "woah, none of the guys I liked watching are still around. What gives?"
And I thought Zelda fans only got this rabid towards review scores less than 10/10 in more recent times. It's honestly depressing to know that none of them have grown up at all in these years.
I vividly remember trying to describe Consolevania to mates when it first came out and being completely unable to describe the format and why it worked so well. Great video, Larry!
So. One guy you'd already covered. One guy was fired for plagiarism. And one guy wasn't fired, rather he decided to quit. Wow, if that's all you got then I guess it's damn near impossible for a Game Journalists to be FIRED for Having an Opinion.
This is why I laugh when people say game reviews are "just opinions." They aren't. THIS is what happens when journalists give their honest opinions about games.
1:55 What a weird collection of Cut-Outs! We got Queen Elizabeth II, Stone Cold Steve Austin (I think), Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory, Michaelangelo's David, the Space Shuttle, The Leaning Tower of Piza, ...I don't actually know who that is but he looks like Bob Barker, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Master Chief! What the hell was going on?
I am Aaron Thomas mentioned about 7 minutes in. While I did hear from the whole world that they weren’t happy about my Ratchet & Clank score, Jeff did his job as EIC and did his best to insulate me from the business pressures he received as a result of this “horrible” score. Jeff’s boss was not as professional and because of him I could tell there was some fallout. I do remember hearing that Sony canceled some advertising and an appearance in On The Spot that week because of the score.
Fun fact: Several years later I went on to work for PlayStation for 5 years, and one of my interviews took place in the “Ratchet” conference room, and the other in “Clank.”
Replying to myself because I was logged into the wrong account when I made the comment. Anyway, yep that’s me.
Neat
@@AT-qu6gk cool
@benjamin whitaker it wouldn't cost you anything to not be a dick, and here you are spending energy typing that comment you probably liked yourself.
Person: "So what do you have to say for yourself?"
Filip Muicinex: "I did not have sex with that woman."
Person: "...Did you just steal your apology?"
Filip Muicinex: "....no."
I have to admit... that made me laugh far harder than it had any right to do.
Good job
But dose he likes beer?
How do you steal your own apology?
I am not a crook!
Where do you put your cigars, Filly?
Watch Mojo: Plagiarized Guru Larry Episodes
Filip Muicinex: *Writes plagiarized notes*
Right? I dunno how that happened that watch mojo didn't fire the person primarily involved for that.
WatchMojo did that? Not surprising.
What video?
@@keylimepython641 th-cam.com/video/eHYCZw8DsYw/w-d-xo.html
Yay capitalism
"flops at 8.8"
A combination of terms that only makes sense in context.
"It was really fun and charming and it did what it set out to do. It's very enjoyable, and is well worth the money. It has a good framework on which future features can be built. It could very well be a timeless classic, and I can see myself going back to this in 5, 10, or even 20 years. But it isn't perfect. It has problems, but _nothing_ is perf--"
*_FIRED._*
8.8/10 is only a bad score in video games and boxing.
How is it possible that Jim Sterling's case where he received similar backlash for giving 'Zelda: Breath of the Wild' a 7 out of 10 seems less dumb in comparison? I thought it was pathetic when Zelda fanatics cried and complained over a 7/10, and the MetaCritic score dropping by literally 1%, but complaining, harassing and getting angry over an 8.8 out of 10? That's beyond sad. I guess Jim Sterling was right: Zelda fanatics are so fragile that they should all be swords in Hyrule.
@@neonnwave1 that was I was going to say
videogames have always skewed ridiculously high in review scores
people think 70 = c = average so 7 is a *purses lips sideways raising eyebrows posing with copy of game* "mehh" type game
when on an actually accurate scale 7 is a very respectable score
Filip was awful, he deserved everything he got.
Sami A agreed especially since it wasn’t the first time he plagiarized
To be fair, he helped me find boomstick. Been subbed since, and I regret nothing. Good reviewer.
He deserves so much more hatred than Jeff did from that huge angry mob of Nintendo and Legend of Zelda fans, so much so that both Death and Hell are a fitting punishment for his punishment in gaming industry standards
@@iami3rian394
A good reviewer or journalist doesn't plagiarize especially not from the company that hired him. He may have caused for you to find the original, the controversy ultimately involved brought you to boomstick review as well as myself.
@@joefrew1614
Yeah Jeff should've gotten a raise, not the axe.
It's a shame how Robert Florence got screwed over for his honesty. The "powers that be" really bummed him in the gob on that one.
Robert Florence went on to make a comedy show on BBC; Burnistoun. its very funny. i didn't actually know he was a games journalist until now.
@@InsideSmoke Rab was done with Burnistoun by the time he got fired wasn't he? The EG thing happened in 2012
@@SamH94 doesn't seem that long ago burnistoun ended
He did both at the same time. The 3rd season of Burnistoun was aired in 2012 when this happened. I'm with Rab though. It's one of the things I hate most about gaming.
@@InsideSmoke I finally realized where I'd seen him before. Not from anything game-related, but the hilarious Scotsman in a voice activated elevator sketch.
Game Reviewer: *Has an opinion*
IGN: That isn’t very cash money of you
your job or your opinion? they all unfinish anyhow so just said... it fine give it 7 and move on.... viewer in today world don't just buy a game becuase it got good review... they want to know what they aleady decided... it not a charity.....
Or in Philip's case: Has someone's else's opinions.
This is how IGN died lol.
Trump: "You're Fired." - any episode of The Apprentice
Vince: "You're FIRRRREEEEDDD!" - Monday Night Raw (Various Dates)
I've always liked what Ryan McCaffrey did from them with interviewing big industry figures and such to be fair. IGN can be a mixed bag.
Even as someone who adores Twilight Princess, I feel that 8.8 was too generous, even. It had a lot of things - especially on its original Wii release - that made it kind of a slog at points to get through, so I hardly see how his review was unfair.
As they said to the journos, “but Goodbye you, and welcome to unemployment”
Anthony G or “Learn to code”
@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio He could walk into a used car dealership and make 6 figures
Needs patent leather shoes and aviator glasses though
@Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio Doesn't surprise me. I doubt the man has made an honest dollar in his entire life, so why start now?
Lol ,ouch !
2007 - journalist fired for having a honest opinion
2019 - review site freezes user scores because studio does not want the actual user score to be seen. _And it's at 86% to this very day!_
What's at 86%?
@@stevedoidoultimate4815 God, that fucking movie was so goddamn boring. Just pure Disney "one helping of entertainment," if you get what I mean.
Damn Larry, looking good! Good job getting healthy. We want you around for a long time.
Thanks, well you almost lost me last year, so I'm sorting my health out big time ATM.
@@ScrewAttackEurope What happened??
@@ScrewAttackEurope I never saw about that despite enjoying your content for a good few years. Congratulations on the willpower for a healthier lifestyle, long may it continue.
@@ScrewAttackEurope You look great Larry! Perhaps you may possibly try a new hair style? Just a suggestion, please dont get your pitchfork and go after me lol, but none the less it is great to see and hear you are taking care of your health :)
Guru Larry Gaming - Looking good, Larry!
This made me realize I haven't read real game reviews in ages and instead see Let's Plays on the rare occasion I'm actually considering dropping money on a new game. Seeing actual gameplay beats the old days of "hoping for the best."
I don't know what i find more crass: that games publishers (and occasionally even developers) insist that reviews and articles should be free promotion rather than, you know, actual journalism and critiques, or that such a large part of the consuming public agrees with that.
Also, I swear, Zelda fans may well be even more lunatic than Sonic fans.
SsnakeBite look up some Sonic fanart, and I feel you'll find that your last sentence is utter nonsense.
Nicholas Farrell Zelda has the same stuff, though. All the same weird fetish art, which is why you just don’t look up fandoms on DeviantArt
To be fair thanks to the rabid Zelda fan base I can now tell how good a reviewer is by their reaction. I mean I already trusted good old Jim Sterling but the hate he got for saying he hates breakable weapons in Breath of the Wild and gave it quite a low score led to them going crazy on him, enough to tell me it was probably spot on.
Hell for youtubers in order to get a review copy from companies you have to basiclly praise the game and encourage people to buy it
As a Zelda fan I apologize for the toxic side of our fandom.
Games Journalists: "Gamer's are babies."
Also Games Journalists: *Creates enough controversies that it's hard to keep track of just how many there are*
Gamergate intensifies
@@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler Gamergate was a 4chan op to troll women. They published the chat logs. Google it.
@@warpzone8421 Oh, you poor lamb.
You probably shouldn't trust everything ZOE QUINN says about the "conspiracy" against ZOE QUINN. How do you suppose she just happen to be there when this was being "planned"?
@@warpzone8421 dat you, Nathan?
Let's be real, a lot of "gamers" are trash.
Usually the gatekeepers, though.
Note to self: Don't try game journalism, will most certainly get fired sooner or later for not pulling punches
Or do like Jim Sterling, be your own boss and say whatever the hell you want.
@@nobodyinparticular9640 You can be your own boss and say whatever you want, just don't be like Jim Sterling. For the love of all what is holy, please don't.
You will have way more credibility by recording yourself in the toilet pants down with a walmart mic talking about why Splatoon is kids shooting themselves with piss for 20 minutes, than a game journo.
@@genyakozlov1316 Why?
Don't do Automotive Journalism either, same shit there
I'll never understand the Filip one. Imagine having the enviable job of writing about games for a living, but apparently not being arsed to do the leg work? Absolutely threw it away.
Right?? People'd kill for a job like that. What a moron!
He only got the job in the first place by plagiarizing others' work. It's clear that it was a bad habit, probably life-long.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour ahhh, well that... Sort of makes sense. I still find it odd that that you'd even attempt it
@@RoseTintedSpectrum self-delusion acquired over time. Probably started with small acts of plagiarism but they grew more bold as he continued to go completely unchecked. People who do stuff like this also tend to have a mental illness.
Is no one gonna talk about how great Larry is looking lately? Gotta give him props for that weight loss!
Yes, I noticed that too. Good for him!
The color of his teeth scare me though
@@weegle. think its just the camera lol
@@NarcoticDimension Or the UK dental plan lol
He has been looking better and better every video I've watched. Looking great, Guru Larry! I've also been enjoying your awesome content too much to really say anything. I love your content.
Well, the second guy kinda was fired for not having any opinion at all.
He had opinions, they just weren't HIS opinions.
Wow, Larry, you're looking great! That's a hell of a lot of weight lost.
Holy SHIT did he cut down. I would have thought it was old footage somehow but Displate hasn't been advertising long enough for that.
Update from the man himself: he's down by 130 lbs! Damn near 10 stone for those across the pond. XP
twitter.com/LarryBundyJr/status/1257106976934449164
Damn. Now I really have no excuse.
@@overweightactor You can do a LOT just by managing your calorie intake. Body weight is managed in the kitchen, not the gym. Get a good routine going and you can slowly but steadily hit any (BMI >18) goal weight you want.
I initially thought that was Wez.
Man I remember the 8.8 outrage, though some of it was also just trolls throwing more fuel into the flames because even back then watching fanboys lose their shit was prime entertainment
It’s funny because it happened again with a 7.5 Skyward Sword review from Gamespot several years later, and then again when Jim Sterling “dared” to give BOTW a 7.0. Every series has its fans, but I swear Zelda fans are the most toxic.
Inevitably, several years down the road once all of the hype and fanboy fervor dies down, people always come around to agree with these more balanced reviews too. People claim that reviewers are biased and/or paid off, and then go into full on hivemind outrage if a reviewer gives virtually any Nintendo game less than a 9. The fans and outrage culture probably actually has more control over these review sites than the actual publishers do.
I find it pathetic, especially since it cost a person their job and at the end, Those same idiots will keep on flaming with no karma on their end.
@@bass-tones Zelda fans are nothing compared to the GTA crowd. If I remember right, some critics were actually getting death threats for giving GTA IV (or was it V?) a 9 out of 10. Apparently 9 isn't good enough, lmao.
Was? More like it is.
@@bass-tones I think that the companies themselves influence these comments and outrage, themselves, in order to influence the journalists to print favorable reviews. The best and most informative of comments are those that treat the software fairly, but do raise the points where weak programming and lazy assed efforts were displayed. Today this is nearly every software company. Today the bugs are features, and the devs do not give a shit about our complaints.
In all honesty we're now in an age where I'd rather watch a let's player "review" a game and decide if I want to play it on my own.
how long you had to watch they play the game before you will buy them... since when you got them you know what to do.... which lost half the fun already..... i would just look at review... and look at do i had time to play this? or just wait until price go down...
Imo lets play can be paid to promote the game .
For me, if I'm actually waffling on whether or not to buy a game and have to seek out some reviews, I know that I'm really just super bored and wouldn't even consider buying the game if I had anything better to do.
to be fair, there is a difference between watching a game and playing a game.
@@GiordanDiodato Yeah, but I can generally tell if I'm interested in a game by looking at it. I also used to watch my older brothers play games while I messed around on an unplugged second controller.
So watching a game is a good entry point for "is this something I want to play in the future"
Wait. Jeff Gerstmanh received insults and death threats for giving 'Zelda: Twilight Princess' an 8.8 out of 10? Wow. How is it possible that Jim Sterling's case where he received similar backlash for giving 'Zelda: Breath of the Wild' a 7 out of 10 seems less dumb in comparison? I thought it was pathetic when Zelda fanatics cried and complained over a 7/10, and the MetaCritic score dropping by literally 1%, but over an 8.8 out of 10? That's beyond sad. I guess Jim Sterling was right: Zelda fanatics are so fragile that they should all be swords in Hyrule.
its the reason why there is an 8.8 article on tvtropes
Say it out loud "Zelda fanatics"
Thats pretty pathetic already.
Thing is though, this isn’t a purely Zelda thing, it’s an issue where you take things like game reviews too seriously. Immediately what comes to mind is when a reviewer for Uncharted 4 gave it a negative review and prevented it from getting a perfect score on Metacritic. Once again, people sent death threats directly to him and petitioned for him to re-review the game. Fact is, when you have a large fanbase like Zelda and Uncharted do, you are going to have nutcases who respond like this
I'm a rather big fan of Zelda, but that is absolutely pathetic. Mind you, it's more of a fanboy thing than a pure Zelda thing - look at any game with a crazy fanbase. Undertale immediately comes to mind.
@@Spore9996 I'm aware, hence why I said 'fanatic' instead of 'fan'. Yes, I'm aware that fan is short for fanatic, but apparently the two words have different meaning these days (which I don't get why).
The last time I was this early Peter Molyneux was still respected in the industry
The last time i was this early Peter Molyneux was a future star in the industry!
Stop gaslighting me, you clinical narcissist!
Last time I was this early, Neji was alive.
mayborneflower ouch
The last time I was this early Peter Molyneux still had a hair line.
"This is a man who had lots of opinions, and most of them belonged to other people"
Okay, that one was savage.
I feel this is true for most people to a certain extent
When I was writing reviews for Spectrum games in Crash magazine back in the day my opinions good or bad generally went into print. We did occasionally have software houses try to influence our scores, but they generally accepted them. I think I awarded a Crash Smash accolade or two in my time there :-)
Yep. Well said Mark. Some software houses were angrier than others when their game didnt get 100% but generally they settled down in time for the next game release. And the main thing was that we had the support of the seniors to back us up.
Headcanon: Larry's bedtime stories were from a Thesaurus, that's why he has so many synonyms for words
Nah, just a proper education
Cant say 'months' though "momps"
To quote the best reviewer/critic in the world...
"It stinks!"
When your ethical standards are too low for Kotaku, you have some serious issues.
Man that "Hello You" felt especially passionate in this one
"Rick and Morty" made me lol. Great video as always mate!
Wow at people getting so angry at “low” reviews (8.8/10 wtf). Seriously mental problems. Or at least complete lack of anything important in their life if something so small can make them that upset.
The worlds children are retarded. Dictionary definition of the term. You expect these morons to be thoughtful?
You should have seen the shit tsunami that hit when someone gave Breath of the Wild less than 8 out of 10.
I counted ten heart attacks, fifteen strokes and enough high blood pressure to give all of us the first stave of diabeetus. It was sad.
What a way to upload this while Naughty Dog/Sony tries to silence people's opinions for Last of Us 2 leaks. Good timing.
@@KingSigy That's why I like to read reviews from people who aren't a fan of the genre they are playing. I find if you like a style of game it is easy to overlook the flaws in it, flaws that might irritate someone who is not a fan but willing to dip their toes into the water.
@@voteDC But then you get stuff like IGN's review of God Hand. A 3/10 because the guy reviewing it didn't like any beatemups and they handed him the most mechanically deep one on the ps2.
@@Jeranhound There were also lots of reviews elsewhere that praised it.
I want to see reviews from people who don't like a genre because it gives a far better picture of what the game is like when combined with the reviews from people who do like the genre.
gerstmann is a bit cynical but i'll always trust his word on the industry due to his actions at gamespot
I agree. 8.8 is a perfectly reasonable score for Twilight Princess. I absolutely love the game, but it does have some flaws that keep it from being perfection. He did NOT deserve the hate he got over that.
He deserves the respect. Especially all the flak he even got for Fallout 4 and so many other games he reviewed.
@@TheXenoxen Hehe. I remember the crap Rooster Teeth talked about him, questioning his integrity… …all while showing off their collector's edition Pip-Boys. They got called out on that hypocrisy.
Guru! You look so good! Congrats on the weight loss man! You're an inspiration
"Being honest may not make you many friends, but it'll always make you the right ones" -- John Lennon
It feels like something is missing from this video…
18:53
There it is!
Huh... I agree with Jeff about Twilight Princess. It ain't perfect, but I know some who'd give it even less. I really liked it, and I'm a massive fan of Zelda, but I'm not blind.
Yeah was just missing something.
I mean, that's generally the consensus the game has now. Not quite squeezing into the Zelda A-list, but really solid in its own right. People just get blinders about a new hotness in an established lineage, especially when they haven't gotten to play it yet (which I think was true at the time for Twilight Princess).
You can see much the same thing even today. The FFVII remake's probably around an 8.8/10 (I'd even say that's generous), but it's at least a year until you get to say that without the knives coming out.
@@crumpetface The wolf transformation gimmick was kinda cool, but it needed something extra. Although I know a lot of people were not fond of it (or were possibly just being negative about it to annoy people 🤔). I mean, especially considering you've got a shape shifting imp on your back XD How closed off the map was with those weird barriers didn't help either.
@@EinDose I know some of the way they padded out the thing was a bit much, but yeah, 8.8 sounds about right. I'm slightly concerned about the fact that SqueEnix don't quite know which direction they're going to take now though... I'd like to see them open it up a bit, but not if it's going to turn into the confusing road trip that was FF15... and I mean... they'll have to return to Midgar eventually, so they can't change it too much. 🤔
I remember seeing one review of Ocarina from Time in the UK. "A tour-de-force, one of the best games ever written. 89%."
I don't know how they survived tbh
Jeff Gerstmann is the most important person on the list.
lysandus still a threat.
And filip mucin is the least
He's the man
TL;DR. One was recycled, one was for plagiarism, and the other wasn't technically fired.
Game reviewer: The game was OK.
Sony: REEEEEEEEE!
ok Xboner
Wait for it...
Wait fooorrrr iiiiit...
1:03 YESSSS the part of every video I look forward to most, HELLO GURU LARRY!
Saw this video appear in my feed seconds ago. What a treat for my Sunday evening 😎
As person that sees Zelda Twilight Princess has one of the best games ever I think his review it totally fair so I want to distance myself from those fans as if they where coughing right now.
I remember the 8.8/10 Zelda "controversy"...what a mess.
granted, some video game journalists have stupid reasons for giving a game a lower score.
For instance, some guy at Game Informer gave Sonic Generations 6.75/10 because it "reminded him of how far Sonic has fallen." Even though that had nothing to do with the game.
And let's not forget the IGN ORAS review
@@GiordanDiodato honestly,I never take reviews from videogame websites seriously. I remember this ign reviewer giving a lower score to Ducktales Remastered and a questionable high score to the Ellen Paige game ( I even forgot the name of the game). People were mad, but I didn't mind. Saw the articles and went to get Ducktales on ps3 right after it.
Videogamedunkey did a great editorial on game reviewers. Watch it if you can.
I'm sure glad Zelda fans have grown up now and nothing like that ever happened again.
Oh who am I kidding? I couldn't even keep a straight face typing that.
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Do we need to say more?
@@nobodyinparticular9640 that is actually outrageous and hilarious at the same time.
Great vid, Larry. Nice to see my brother briefly, too! (He was on the right chatting to Gerstmann in that one "interview" clip.) Sadly, this is a subject fairly close to my heart, as I regrettably know first-hand how easy it is to get pushed out the door of the commercial games press if you have the "wrong" opinions on things -- even if said opinions are completely innocuous, just "wrong". But I won't bore you with the details right now.
4:38 R.I.P. Ryan Davis (another subject entirely) anyway the whole Jeff Gerstmann thing was BS, however it was part of the reason Giant Bomb was formed and I liked giantbomb
I think you repeated a name accidentally
@@Whiskeyklone oops yeah thanks
NONONO PLEASE DONT SHAKE THE BABY
Damn dude, great job on your weight loss!
Thanks bud!!! Got a bit more to go, but feel tons better now!
i was going through a guru larry marathon before this was uploaded what a really nice surprise
you can't get angry at journalists for having the exaggerated swagger of a black teen, larry
you silly
"Bummed in the gob?" Everyone knows you never go bum to gob.
Nice one Larry! I was a young teenager when Jeff was fired from Gamespot. This video brought me back to the past haha.
Larry: *Labels Doc and Marty as Rick and Morty*
Some 90s Kids: *triggered*
*80s kids
Althought it DID start as a back to the future satire, that's all they really have in common. That and dan harmon isn't right on the head.
Justin Roiland is the one with the weird ideas. Not harmon
@@ScottJoC Tell that to Community
@@Lurmmings Community fucking slaps
LOL @11:57 - are we not gunna talk about Larry calling YongYeah "Yong Yee"? Haha
"They may not be the most photogenic..." - switches to Alex Navarro. Poor Alex! xD
I happen to think he was a handsome chap. Back then.
How does he look today?
@@JunKurosu DAMN fucking fine!
Alex Navarro was probably the most photogenic of the Gamespot Old Guard.
Downright sexy
Working a desk job and have this LBJ playlist saved for a random watch to pass the time and although I knew it was coming when you dropped the, “Nigel,” during the Gerstmann portion bout had me on the floor 🤣😂 how in the hell ur not sitting at millions of subs is an absolute injustice… keep living the dream my man!
That one guy that had a thread about how an 8.8 isn't a bad score deserves a cookie.
I love that you used the words "Half Inched" at 10:50 Larry. I've not heard that said by anyone in many many years, but it still remains my favourite way to say Pinched, stolen, nicked, ripped off, taken without permission etc..
Last time I personally heard anyone use 'Half Inched' was Norman Lovett Portraying Holly on Red Dwarf.
Aww, poor guy - it's almost like lying and stealing for years really destroys people's confidence in you. T_T
I spit coffee everywhere when you said maize based snack. 😂🤣😂🤣
Blimey, Larry, you're completely unrecognisable. You've put on a bit on the eyebrows though, I see 😉
I think his long hair looks cool. What are you, my mom?
He's going to have to change the series name to Think Hunt!
@Jimmy De'Souza He doesn't need to do anything. One's personal appearance is just that - personal. No-one else gets a say.
@@Kylehudgins To be fair,gettign a haircut unless you're accurate with a pair of scissors isn't exactly possible right now. He does look like he's trimmed down quite a bit!
I don't think the length is the issue. More so, that it's more of a mullet.
4:17
Alex Navarro:
Yes please, Larry?
Is there anything you want to tell me?
You gotta love it when gaming journalists are sacked for doing their own jobs.
Except Philip
Should have subscribed to GameJournoPros.
They should call themselves paid for reviewers. At least be honest.
uh... no? Can you rephraise that so it makes sense? Who the fuck loves it?
Rethink your rhetoric.
@@whitesquirrel4131 It's called sarcasm. Seeing you're oblivious to any sort of subtlety, I can't expect much enlightenment from you. Rethink your comment.
I can always turn to Larry for the facts. Games journalism is still trying to recover from the past decade.
I think the year I lost faith in “mainstream” review organizations was 2010
Peter Glagowski It wasn’t that I felt they were dishonest. They don’t pay for their games.
Peter Glagowski I value the opinion more of people who are adding the impact of their lost funds on the experience they received from those funds over people who have no financial investment added to their opinion
Peter Glagowski one would assume that with a financial burden a reviewer would be even more objective
Peter Glagowski you’re KIDDING right? Have you ever been on an Internet forum? There’s no more powerful cry of complaint than I SPENT MONEY FOR THIS. FIX THIS TRASH!
2 Larry Bundy videos in one week?! Thanks man for working hard to keep us entertained during these times. Hope you're going well
*The ones who should be fired are the clowns from IGN who said Sonic was never good.*
Now that I’ve got your attention. What would happen if the Sonic Twitter took potshots at the people who still beat the dead horse known as Sonic 06?
That's NOT the only thing they said. And that's just ONE of the MANY reasons to distrust IGN.
Too bad we had a bad Sonic game as recent as 2017 with Forces
@@rat9625 Forces wasn't that bad.
at least not Sonic 06 or Rise of Lyric bad
@@rat9625 Forces was fine.
I worked with Rab a good few years ago now and got to say the guy is a gentleman....
His enthusiasm for what he did then, and still does now, shines through.
Jeff Gerstmann looked a lot like someone who ate a few Doritos and Gushers while listening to Limp Bizkit on his 2000s walkman CD player.
>B-roll flips to Alex Navarro.
"They may not always be the most attractive of people"
DEEP CUTS LOL
Can't believe how much healthier Larry looks these days, really happy for him!
Thank you, I literally couldn't live for much longer like that.
@@Larry hey we are just glad you pulled through bud, I've been a fan and subscriber for many years and hope to have you around making us laugh for many years to come!
"...some of whom paid the ultimate price."
Not even fired. Just straight up executed! 😂
Surf Wisely.
"Rick and Morty"
lol
"Jeff GERTSMANN (Gamespot)" You may wanna spell check that one Larry 🤣
You're looking good Larry, except for the mopatop (like us all), looks like lockdowns been treating you well mate! Another nice video to get stuck into. Although I'm still waiting for the excuse for you to make a "Mike Hunt" episode. Maybe you could wriggle it into a "All the Mikes at Watch Mojo" special or something... hehe... keep up the great work mate.
What are you talking about, the longer hair the better
Dude where is he in the video. Everyone's talking about his weight but I have no idea what he looks like lol
2:14 ...did you go back in time and bring a young Terry Gilliam with you? XD
Last time I was this early...
was never. I haven't been early to a Fact Hunt video yet until now.
Same.
That would be funny if it was funny
Your my hero
You had me sold at “woody boy”. Lol
Cant wait to see the salty fanboys when breath of the wild 2 gets a 9 and they go crazy because the review was bad. Lol
cosplayfan 88 I’m a nintindo fan but I don’t like Zelda does that make me weird?
@@craftergamer9058 no. Theres lots of nintendo fans that dont like zelda
cosplayfan 88
Hi. I’m one of them.
I hate how people keep talking about how "it's a true open world!" meanwhile the amount of sacrifices they had to make to the combat system with the shitty 4 enemy types that get stronger universally are pretty much as good as having no enemies at all, it's an open world where you can go anywhere but do nothing.
This reminds me of the reeeeing of certain wing of the internet and media after Black Panther got a review that wasn't an unbridled praise and a perfect score. And it was over a week before the movie even came out in theatres, all the rotten tomatoes reviews were from "critiques" and "movie journalists".
Looking Good Larry!!! Keep up all the hard work!
I use to watch & miss X-Play with Adam Sessler & Morgan Webb
where they would talk about and play various video games and giving a rating based on if it was good or not and worth picking up.
And some of the short clips they made too were great.
I miss the anime and M.X.C. from that channel...at least I think M.X.C. was on that channel.
--Edit--
Never mind MXC was on Spike while X Play, and Anime Unleashed were on Tech TV/G4.
For those wondering the sweet sweet bony sounds in Larry's backing track towards the end was from much underappreciated PS2 game 'gitaroo man' and i love this video all the more for including it! All the best Larry!
Man imagine how scummy a company would be if they did this these days *cough* naughty dog *cough*
Metacritic scores are “agreed upon” meaning that if the vast majority of people like something, then you have to like it as well, and vice versa.
I'm just here for all the Neo-Geo games in the intro.
I was visiting gamespot every single day. All I ever did was watch and read gamespot. So when Gerstman got fired I did know about it until years and years after the fact. All I knew was "woah, none of the guys I liked watching are still around. What gives?"
Goddammit, seeing Ryan Davis made me miss him so hard.
RIP Duder
*God damnit
Best duder. Miss him so much. _No, no, no! Please don't shake the baby!_
Another awesome video, Larry! Loved the way you spun Filip Miucin in there. And you're looking good, sir!
That Adam Sessler clip is so old, I don't even know who the hell Kate Botello is!
Adam Sesseler was the shit back then.
Filip Miucin: "Go ahead, see if I plagiarized anything else!"
Kotaku and the Internet: "Okay"
I wish we got to see more of larry's lovely mug
I'll be appearing on camera a lot mor soon, don't worry! :)
His teeth are decidedly British.
It's pretty cool that after losing the weight Larry started looking like he could rock a good Joker cosplay.
Looking good Larry! I am proud of you!
thanks bud!
And I thought Zelda fans only got this rabid towards review scores less than 10/10 in more recent times. It's honestly depressing to know that none of them have grown up at all in these years.
And you wining here like that is more grown up how?
Not even Game Journalists are allowed to have an opinion.
Pleasantly surprised. When I read a sentence like "FIRED for having an opinion", I'm used to the said opinion being something grossly bigoted
I vividly remember trying to describe Consolevania to mates when it first came out and being completely unable to describe the format and why it worked so well. Great video, Larry!
These days those numbers would be so much higher
In the old days those numbers would be so much lower
And today nobody looks at review
Finally nobody will read your comment because there to good for this world
So. One guy you'd already covered.
One guy was fired for plagiarism.
And one guy wasn't fired, rather he decided to quit.
Wow, if that's all you got then I guess it's damn near impossible for a Game Journalists to be FIRED for Having an Opinion.
Pretty sure gamergate proved that.
@@Emogeta oh look, another incel bringing up shit from the past and thinks it's still relevant.
This is why I laugh when people say game reviews are "just opinions." They aren't. THIS is what happens when journalists give their honest opinions about games.
They are though, this shit is an anomaly, not the norm.
@@stapuft It's an anomaly that they get CAUGHT being shady.
@@KingSigy Suuure... And your "direct and honest opinion" has never ONCE been swayed by the almighty dollar?
@@Carsonj13 and since when is doing your job "shady"?
@@stapuft When it's your job to BE shady.
1:55 What a weird collection of Cut-Outs! We got Queen Elizabeth II, Stone Cold Steve Austin (I think), Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory, Michaelangelo's David, the Space Shuttle, The Leaning Tower of Piza, ...I don't actually know who that is but he looks like Bob Barker, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Master Chief! What the hell was going on?
Damn, Three Vids in a Month? That's gotta be a new record for ya!!!