All the articles mention this tool, they say it is needed, so this is what i bought. Well after fiddling again with the siding it doesn't work, it is so tight in there it will not snap back into place. So this brings me to my Quesiton....you talk about removing the aluminum piece and then cutting off the top bit, and then drilling and putting in a nail and that 99% of the time the siding will not "snap" back in after removing it. I did not find this info anywhere else, glad i found it.
this was a fantastic video. Very informative. I am spraying cellulose insulation into my walls from the exterior of my aluminum sided house, and this was the best video I could find to deal with the whole removal and replacement issue.
I just tried this on some vinyl siding and I used small white nails and they're virtually invisible unless you're looking for them. This is the solution I've wanted for some time so belated thanks for posting. No more flapping in the wind and no worries about no longer having the starter strip at the bottom (would normally but I removed the bottom course due to changing the height of our deck)
This was really helpful. Thanks for explaining every little step that is involved. One thing I am curious about is where to find new aluminum siding and how to size it. Thanks again!
You can see 11:18 how they made holes in sheathing, ripped up the house wrap and then put nails through the siding; that guarantees rot/mold/termites/ you name it.
Great video. As I just bought a house with aluminum siding and am removing a huge wall air conditioner (that has not worked in years) and moving a door … this will be very helpful. Worst case, I may do what you suggested with a sheet metal and a break … but I am looking for about 60 feet of siding in the meantime. Thanks for the great instruction. I've done enough vinyl siding that I think I'll be OK.
When reinstalling, cutting off the flange and then drilling/nailing through both pieces from the outside just doesn't seem right to me. Why not flex/bend the lower lip of the upper piece (that wasn't removed) and then carefully hook/push/bend the same lip back into place (after the removed piece is secured back into place using the flange that you didn't cut off)? I'm just a DIY'er but have had success doing it this way. Granted, it was only a few pieces. How does the nail through the siding pieces compensate for expansion and retraction? In Boston you can expect +100 degree swings. The manufactured flange in the siding has slotted holes to allow for this. Not necessarily criticizing, but maybe I'm not understanding something.
I haven't worked with this siding and experience is limited. I have worked with aluminum quite often and maybe bending the lip back causes these guys much more time. Also, I would think aluminum would swell less than vinyl? Just my thoughts seeing no one has put in any inputs, theyre great questions.
I hate when people drill or nail through the siding. Especially the TV/Internet cable guys drill a giant hole in the wall instead of going through the crawl space. Anyways, your suggestion is showing the obvious, that the dude in the video doesn't care. You can see 11:18 how they made holes in sheathing, ripped up the house wrap and then put nails through the siding; that guarantees rot/mold/termites/ you name it.
This is the guy in the video and correct that you don't need to but a zip tool but when guys lose them five times a day you will end up using my idea. And this video is old and this system isn't always the best . Whenever we can zip the piece on withou cutting it we do
But i still don't understand why they won't snap back in, is siding made for a one time install and thats it? The method you mentioned is what i am probably going to have to do but just seems ridiculous that it works like this. Question 2: what was going on with the hoses in the walls in the video? Cheers!, good video, thanks.
Siding is installed starting at the bottom..each course locks in with upward movement..if you replace a piece in the middle course, you to eliminate the the flange at the top of the piece..( then the bottom of panel can snap in, in upwards direction)
Excellent Video. Well done - kudos to all. Helped out with Habitat for Humanity yesterday. Had to work with siding which I knew nothing about. Siding around the air vents I was working on gave me problems. Would have been very helpful to know what this video showed.
there is a way to put the siding back on without having to drill through the other siding,all you need is a zip tool and a siding nail.instead of using a wonderbar to unzip siding use your zip tool to start at one corner pulling down on the siding,then use your siding nail and pry it from underneath from one corner to the other.when putting back on bend the piece of siding where the lip is a tiny bit so it will hook back under lip of other siding then use a chisel to push the siding back into place . when done like this most people would never know what piece of siding you took off.
I definitely agree with many of the issues people have brought up. However, this is the only video I have found offering any other solution than removing the entire wall from the top down. I hope it works in the long term. If it works out and you save thousands of dollars in exchange for a few visible nails most people will be on board.
Truly A Craftsman.😂 I was holding my breath as he used his hammer nailing. If I had done this the Aluminum siding would have been destroyed. 😂 Hell including a black and blue thumb from missing the nailheads 😂 Damn good job Mr Carpenter!
You don't have to make your own zip tool to get the siding off. There is a tool called the "side swiper II". I think I got mine at home depot. Its got a nice rubber handle with a sturdy hook, and will save you LOTS of time, elbow grease, and risk of damaging the siding using just your hands. And no, I don't work for the company that makes them!
Why no mention of the other of the "two" ways to get the old siding back on? Small brad nailing can get up under the upper row of siding so you don't have to nail. Should mention that any siding can be matched, you don't have to go, 'get a piece of white vinyl or sheet metal to replace bent original siding. This video was useful to me a trick to get old siding off and little else.
thanks for the video. i do have a couple of quesitons though. My situation is very simple, i have a couple of places on my exterior aluminum siding that came apart. I have read several articles on the web (6 or 7) then i watched a bunch of youtube vids on repair. I tried fixing/repairing the loose areas myself for quite sometime without any luck. After searching 6 hardware stores i finally found a red handled Zip tool (very very hard to find in Canada?!?).
Can you renail the cut off nailing flange and zip the panel above it back on and then tuck the cut panel under that panel and silicone caulk the nailing flange on the panel below and press the bottom lip of the removed panel into the silicone caulk for no face nailing ?
Thanks for the video. I have a detached garage with aluminum siding just like in the video. I want to put a couple windows in the garage. Can this be done without taking all the siding off the garage? Can a window hole be cut from the inside and then a angle grinder be used to cut the aluminum from the outside, leaving room for the window nail fins and then trimmed out over where the aluminum was cut around the window?
Yes that's pretty much how to do it. I have installed windows with Hardy board and other siding. Usually I would cut a hole in the siding to attach the nail flange to the sheathing and then cut again to install 1x4 or 5/4 trim. You would also need to tuck in J channel to cover the cut edges of aluminum siding first. You probably won't be able to nail the J channel to the wall but you can go from the side and put a nail in the J channel into the side of the trim.
I have some vines growing under a back house's siding. The roots must be coming in along the perimeter bc there is a slab foundation. Is it okay to "pop off" the first couple of rows of siding so I can cut the vines? If not advisable I can dig along the perimeter as well.
Working in weatherization is not as focused on quality, although doing things in a professional and presentable manner is essential. Time is of the essence in WX work.
Can somebody guide me on how to repair the very bottom edge of aluminum siding? There was too much dirt close to the foundation of the house. So, the very bottom edge that was covered by dirt became like paper crumbling by even slightest touch. I removed all the dirt and am looking for options on how to repair the aluminum siding. It’s only one piece. 4 inches wide 44 inches in length. Somebody told me that I do not need to replace it as it is fine just the very bottom is damaged. They said that there is some kind of metal edge trim or lip that can be put under the siding. Advice please!
Nice video. I have a guy I do work for. He needs 3-12ft pieces of 8in aluminum siding replaced on his business. The pieces are 28.00 a piece. How much roughly would you guys charge for labor on 3 pieces of 12ft siding to install? Thanks in advance
Aluminum siding should not be in contact with what type of material? Wood... aluminum foil or what ? I need help - it’s a question on my GC exam. I can’t remember the other two answers...
@YzermanInOntario I think it was a cellulose spray insulation install. Thats what I am doing to my aluminum sided house....and the sprayer looks very similar to that hose.
Wow, I can not believe all the nails you guys are putting in that siding!!! Steel and aluminum can be zipped just like vinyl.... I guess here in Milwaukee we care a little more about the finished product. We really are leading North America... You should be careful what you say is impossible .....
Nun Urbuisness they're installing blown in insulation. What they didn't explain was that they were drilling holes in the walls behind the siding to install blown in insulation and then they were putting the siding back on the house that's why they were taking it off in the 1st place they were just using this part of the job as an example on how to repair aluminum siding they just didn't do a good job of explaining everything in its entirety
they make a zip tool to reinstall vinyl and aluminum siding...then I nail through the weep hole and the back piece of siding with a siding nail that you will struggle to see...
Knowledge is Power!! Can't find this info anywhere else. Can't find 8" Aluminum siding anywhere either. Even the Aluminum distributors the siding products companies buy from don't sell it. Scrap yards won't re-sell it. Running want ads on Craigslist doesn't work. Don't know if you can make your own with a siding brake? It's not looking to hopeful to do an authentic restoration on my old beauty. Thanks a boat load for the info.
+Larry T Ron: Thanks for the lead. Regarding the blown in cellulite insulation, can anyone confirm something for me? I was told by an older contractor that the old houses with the plaster and lathe construction don't need blown in insulation because that balloon/plaster/lathe construction by itself provides about an R-12 insulation factor. Does this sound right?
+Larry T - That is one of the craziest things I have ever heard. Balloon framed houses hemorrhage energy and heat loss/heat gain. Insulating walls properly can help to eliminate a lot of stack effect/chimney effect in the outside walls and in between floors. Another key component to improving a home such as that is to go to town on air-sealing in the attic and in the basement. Interior walls of a balloon framed home are a gateway to the attic and vice versa. Always, Always, Always air-seal first then properly insulate! I'm one that truly believes that there is something to be learned from every generation and every person, no matter how large or insignificant but feel free to remind those "older contractors" that we used to plow fields with horses.
There was no reason to cut the strip off the top. I snap it back into place the same way it came out, and put the exposed nails under the edge of the upper piece.
Those nails driven thru the siding are not the same as weeping holes. The holes are on the under side of the aluminum. The nail is basically a highway now for the water to get behind the siding, this into the wall. 😐
I'd start from the top and take it all off, that's what I did with mine when I decided to put in a patio door. To me that would be the right way. Not cut off the top off the aluminum panel
I hope this guy realizes HE is the goldmine, HE is the wellspring, HE should enjoy the product of his knowledge and labor to the fullest extent possible. He should be a king not the bankers.
What a joke. You should not cut the flange off. I will post a video of the professional way of doing it within the next month. No exposed nails either. They are ruining homes and should be sued.
Carl Sellers Carl, it’s Feb 9th 2018. I’m planning to paint my house come warmer weather in Pittsburgh (May, snows in April) Requires some repair/replace of aluminum siding. If there’s a better way, more weather tight, of doing metal siding repair/replace I would love to see it. Thank you.
Karl how is your video coming doing it the "professional way"? Has it been a month yet? Oh almost 2 years, must be a lot of production, we are all waiting Karl.
All the articles mention this tool, they say it is needed, so this is what i bought. Well after fiddling again with the siding it doesn't work, it is so tight in there it will not snap back into place. So this brings me to my Quesiton....you talk about removing the aluminum piece and then cutting off the top bit, and then drilling and putting in a nail and that 99% of the time the siding will not "snap" back in after removing it. I did not find this info anywhere else, glad i found it.
This was an excellent presentation and tutorial. It saved me massive amounts of frustration, work, time and money!
this was a fantastic video. Very informative. I am spraying cellulose insulation into my walls from the exterior of my aluminum sided house, and this was the best video I could find to deal with the whole removal and replacement issue.
I just tried this on some vinyl siding and I used small white nails and they're virtually invisible unless you're looking for them. This is the solution I've wanted for some time so belated thanks for posting. No more flapping in the wind and no worries about no longer having the starter strip at the bottom (would normally but I removed the bottom course due to changing the height of our deck)
He said don't drive the nails home. How are you supposed to secure it? Just try to get it flush as possible?
On vinyl? You should be able to replace it with no face nails
This was really helpful. Thanks for explaining every little step that is involved. One thing I am curious about is where to find new aluminum siding and how to size it. Thanks again!
You can see 11:18 how they made holes in sheathing, ripped up the house wrap and then put nails through the siding; that guarantees rot/mold/termites/ you name it.
Love this guy. We need more young men like this in our society!
video starts at 1:00
Great video. As I just bought a house with aluminum siding and am removing a huge wall air conditioner (that has not worked in years) and moving a door … this will be very helpful. Worst case, I may do what you suggested with a sheet metal and a break … but I am looking for about 60 feet of siding in the meantime. Thanks for the great instruction. I've done enough vinyl siding that I think I'll be OK.
When reinstalling, cutting off the flange and then drilling/nailing through both pieces from the outside just doesn't seem right to me. Why not flex/bend the lower lip of the upper piece (that wasn't removed) and then carefully hook/push/bend the same lip back into place (after the removed piece is secured back into place using the flange that you didn't cut off)? I'm just a DIY'er but have had success doing it this way. Granted, it was only a few pieces.
How does the nail through the siding pieces compensate for expansion and retraction? In Boston you can expect +100 degree swings. The manufactured flange in the siding has slotted holes to allow for this.
Not necessarily criticizing, but maybe I'm not understanding something.
I haven't worked with this siding and experience is limited. I have worked with aluminum quite often and maybe bending the lip back causes these guys much more time. Also, I would think aluminum would swell less than vinyl? Just my thoughts seeing no one has put in any inputs, theyre great questions.
I hate when people drill or nail through the siding. Especially the TV/Internet cable guys drill a giant hole in the wall instead of going through the crawl space. Anyways, your suggestion is showing the obvious, that the dude in the video doesn't care. You can see 11:18 how they made holes in sheathing, ripped up the house wrap and then put nails through the siding; that guarantees rot/mold/termites/ you name it.
I like your way better!
I’d love to know a better way. DIYR but aluminum siding bends when you remove it, so the butt lip is almost impossible to hook back in.
How did you get a hammer on the nails for the flange?
Really good instructional video. Will be doing some removal on the back of a dormer at my house. Glad i watched this first. Well done guys!
Thank you for this. This is what TH-cam is all about
This is the guy in the video and correct that you don't need to but a zip tool but when guys lose them five times a day you will end up using my idea. And this video is old and this system isn't always the best . Whenever we can zip the piece on withou cutting it we do
But i still don't understand why they won't snap back in, is siding made for a one time install and thats it? The method you mentioned is what i am probably going to have to do but just seems ridiculous that it works like this. Question 2: what was going on with the hoses in the walls in the video? Cheers!, good video, thanks.
Looks like they are blowing in insulation from the outside for the walls.
Siding is installed starting at the bottom..each course locks in with upward movement..if you replace a piece in the middle course, you to eliminate the the flange at the top of the piece..( then the bottom of panel can snap in, in upwards direction)
I don't see you put the metal shim back in. Did you leave it out and not reuse it at all?
Excellent Video. Well done - kudos to all. Helped out with Habitat for Humanity yesterday. Had to work with siding which I knew nothing about. Siding around the air vents I was working on gave me problems. Would have been very helpful to know what this video showed.
amazing video. I have to do this next week and it answered all my questions!
there is a way to put the siding back on without having to drill through the other siding,all you need is a zip tool and a siding nail.instead of using a wonderbar to unzip siding use your zip tool to start at one corner pulling down on the siding,then use your siding nail and pry it from underneath from one corner to the other.when putting back on bend the piece of siding where the lip is a tiny bit so it will hook back under lip of other siding then use a chisel to push the siding back into place . when done like this most people would never know what piece of siding you took off.
they wanna come back and fix it when those nails fail, so un professional, I wouldn't do that to my house
jonathan burke u
I definitely agree with many of the issues people have brought up. However, this is the only video I have found offering any other solution than removing the entire wall from the top down. I hope it works in the long term.
If it works out and you save thousands of dollars in exchange for a few visible nails most people will be on board.
I do think they should have resealed the holes the holes they drilled though for sure.
What a great video not just 1 min and everything missing just talking. Thanks
Thanks for that video. I really appreciate it and save me a lot of aggravation.
Truly A Craftsman.😂 I was holding my breath as he used his hammer nailing. If I had done this the Aluminum siding would have been destroyed. 😂 Hell including a black and blue thumb from missing the nailheads 😂 Damn good job Mr Carpenter!
Very good information about the siding of the house thank you for the video
You don't have to make your own zip tool to get the siding off. There is a tool called the "side swiper II". I think I got mine at home depot. Its got a nice rubber handle with a sturdy hook, and will save you LOTS of time, elbow grease, and risk of damaging the siding using just your hands. And no, I don't work for the company that makes them!
Why no mention of the other of the "two" ways to get the old siding back on? Small brad nailing can get up under the upper row of siding so you don't have to nail. Should mention that any siding can be matched, you don't have to go, 'get a piece of white vinyl or sheet metal to replace bent original siding. This video was useful to me a trick to get old siding off and little else.
Wouldn't a section being replaced with flat stock look hideous...I wouldn't last long in business leaving houses looking like a patch quilt.
Followed your instructions and solved my issues perfectly! Thanks.
Ah! What timing - VERY helpful - now I know how to proceed in this project - thanks so much!
@7:10 You can't pop that piece back in without trimming the top nailing flange just like you would vinyl?
The aluminum panel seems flexible enough.
I’d love to know if you were able to do this with bent aluminum.
thanks for the video. i do have a couple of quesitons though. My situation is very simple, i have a couple of places on my exterior aluminum siding that came apart. I have read several articles on the web (6 or 7) then i watched a bunch of youtube vids on repair. I tried fixing/repairing the loose areas myself for quite sometime without any luck. After searching 6 hardware stores i finally found a red handled Zip tool (very very hard to find in Canada?!?).
thanks for helping me figure out how to reapply the siding. Great!
Hy hometown...thanks buddy I'm going to a job right now and needed a refresher
Thank you very much ! I now have the answer to my question. I now understand how to remove a course of Aluminum siding ! Thank you, thank you.
Can you renail the cut off nailing flange and zip the panel above it back on and then tuck the cut panel under that panel and silicone caulk the nailing flange on the panel below and press the bottom lip of the removed panel into the silicone caulk for no face nailing ?
Any tips for hooking in the btm piece of aluminum siding back in to the track? It’s not vinyl it’s actual old school aluminum.
Thanks for the video. I have a detached garage with aluminum siding just like in the video. I want to put a couple windows in the garage. Can this be done without taking all the siding off the garage? Can a window hole be cut from the inside and then a angle grinder be used to cut the aluminum from the outside, leaving room for the window nail fins and then trimmed out over where the aluminum was cut around the window?
Yes that's pretty much how to do it. I have installed windows with Hardy board and other siding. Usually I would cut a hole in the siding to attach the nail flange to the sheathing and then cut again to install 1x4 or 5/4 trim. You would also need to tuck in J channel to cover the cut edges of aluminum siding first. You probably won't be able to nail the J channel to the wall but you can go from the side and put a nail in the J channel into the side of the trim.
@@notavailable3913 Thanks for the details!
why do you have to take off the siding and removing the flange? Can you drill a hole on the bottom edge and hammer a nail down directly?
I have some vines growing under a back house's siding. The roots must be coming in along the perimeter bc there is a slab foundation. Is it okay to "pop off" the first couple of rows of siding so I can cut the vines? If not advisable I can dig along the perimeter as well.
Working in weatherization is not as focused on quality, although doing things in a professional and presentable manner is essential. Time is of the essence in WX work.
lots of negative comments great info for the right need osha didn't see that ladder move
Can anyone tell me the name of the hook? Searched everywhere but can only find thick vinyl hooks. Thanks!
Can somebody guide me on how to repair the very bottom edge of aluminum siding? There was too much dirt close to the foundation of the house. So, the very bottom edge that was covered by dirt became like paper crumbling by even slightest touch. I removed all the dirt and am looking for options on how to repair the aluminum siding. It’s only one piece. 4 inches wide 44 inches in length. Somebody told me that I do not need to replace it as it is fine just the very bottom is damaged. They said that there is some kind of metal edge trim or lip that can be put under the siding. Advice please!
Nice video. I have a guy I do work for. He needs 3-12ft pieces of 8in aluminum siding replaced on his business. The pieces are 28.00 a piece. How much roughly would you guys charge for labor on 3 pieces of 12ft siding to install?
Thanks in advance
I think they went out of business.
What’s an insulation rod. I’d like to make a tool as I’m about to start stripping aluminum siding
what did you end up doing?
Aluminum siding should not be in contact with what type of material? Wood... aluminum foil or what ? I need help - it’s a question on my GC exam. I can’t remember the other two answers...
@YzermanInOntario I think it was a cellulose spray insulation install. Thats what I am doing to my aluminum sided house....and the sprayer looks very similar to that hose.
Wow, I can not believe all the nails you guys are putting in that siding!!! Steel and aluminum can be zipped just like vinyl.... I guess here in Milwaukee we care a little more about the finished product. We really are leading North America... You should be careful what you say is impossible .....
you must be a magician it doesn't usually work out well with aluminum
excatly how we do it in CT!
Fantastic video!!!!
Why remove it? Looks pretty good to me.
Home ownership, gotta love it !!!
I just don't understand why this siding was replaced at all it looks fine
Nun Urbuisness they're installing blown in insulation. What they didn't explain was that they were drilling holes in the walls behind the siding to install blown in insulation and then they were putting the siding back on the house that's why they were taking it off in the 1st place they were just using this part of the job as an example on how to repair aluminum siding they just didn't do a good job of explaining everything in its entirety
Looks like they destroyed a lot of the wrapping. A lot of moisture can get in there now and soak in that insulation.
they make a zip tool to reinstall vinyl and aluminum siding...then I nail through the weep hole and the back piece of siding with a siding nail that you will struggle to see...
Knowledge is Power!! Can't find this info anywhere else. Can't find 8" Aluminum siding anywhere either. Even the Aluminum distributors the siding products companies buy from don't sell it. Scrap yards won't re-sell it. Running want ads on Craigslist doesn't work. Don't know if you can make your own with a siding brake? It's not looking to hopeful to do an authentic restoration on my old beauty. Thanks a boat load for the info.
Menard's in Illinois sales it I think it cost $200.00 a box.
+Larry T Ron: Thanks for the lead. Regarding the blown in cellulite insulation, can anyone confirm something for me? I was told by an older contractor that the old houses with the plaster and lathe construction don't need blown in insulation because that balloon/plaster/lathe construction by itself provides about an R-12 insulation factor. Does this sound right?
+Larry T - That is one of the craziest things I have ever heard. Balloon framed houses hemorrhage energy and heat loss/heat gain. Insulating walls properly can help to eliminate a lot of stack effect/chimney effect in the outside walls and in between floors. Another key component to improving a home such as that is to go to town on air-sealing in the attic and in the basement. Interior walls of a balloon framed home are a gateway to the attic and vice versa. Always, Always, Always air-seal first then properly insulate!
I'm one that truly believes that there is something to be learned from every generation and every person, no matter how large or insignificant but feel free to remind those "older contractors" that we used to plow fields with horses.
Thanks from N.J. R&R ALUMINUM SIDING-NOW I KNOW THE PROPER WAY -SPECIAL THANKS
There was no reason to cut the strip off the top. I snap it back into place the same way it came out, and put the exposed nails under the edge of the upper piece.
You can buy aluminium siding from Menards.com.
Thanks Ron
Thanks for your video, you helped me a lot.
If you close your eyes and listen to this video, it sounds like Adam Sandler talking.
WOW! So cool!!!
Some shady business. They ruined the envelope on that house.
We created an envelope you knucklehead. We where insulating the house lol
You clearly don’t know what your talking about
How else would you do it?
Awesome. These guys are Pro s
Complete hack!! I’m no wind driven rain will blow up past the siding now that it’s not connected to the row above. SMH!
Those nails driven thru the siding are not the same as weeping holes. The holes are on the under side of the aluminum. The nail is basically a highway now for the water to get behind the siding, this into the wall. 😐
Not true
I'd start from the top and take it all off, that's what I did with mine when I decided to put in a patio door. To me that would be the right way. Not cut off the top off the aluminum panel
You're only doing it to one piece, and taking it all off is a lot of time.
No J channel?
really enough for beginners..thanks
Not good. Cutting pieces and nail holes. Wtf
Do you have a better way?
I've been a siding crew forman for 19 years. Have never seen any professional Sider use any of these techniques. Amateur hacks
Make a video
These guys' business is focused on insulation. So their expertise goes as far as removing one or two siding sections to get to their business.
Please make a video how you would do it .
Thanks
Cool story, bro.
@@njacob909 Agreed, make a video because this is the only one out there.
Wicked smaut
quincy ked
I hope this guy realizes HE is the goldmine, HE is the wellspring, HE should enjoy the product of his knowledge and labor to the fullest extent possible. He should be a king not the bankers.
More scabs hacking away at a home.
What a joke. You should not cut the flange off. I will post a video of the professional way of doing it within the next month. No exposed nails either. They are ruining homes and should be sued.
is that video up?
Still no video.
Carl Sellers Carl, it’s Feb 9th 2018. I’m planning to paint my house come warmer weather in Pittsburgh (May, snows in April) Requires some repair/replace of aluminum siding. If there’s a better way, more weather tight, of doing metal siding repair/replace I would love to see it. Thank you.
Karl how is your video coming doing it the "professional way"? Has it been a month yet? Oh almost 2 years, must be a lot of production, we are all waiting Karl.
Jeff adams Carl was probably just hating. Haha.
Your dead on about never looking original again lol sheesh once its dented its done