History Primer 155: Colt 1905 Documentary

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  • Thank you Sven from Manticore Arms who lent us this piece of history. Thanks to them we are able to begin the path to the 1911!
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    Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
    C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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    Colt .45 Service Pistols
    Models of 1911 and 1911A1
    Complete Military History Development and Production 1900 through 1945
    Charles Clawson
    The Colt Model 1905 Automatic Pistol
    Potocki
    Colt Automatic Pistols
    Donald B Bady
    US Military Automatics 1894 - 1920
    Edward Scott Meadows
    The Government Models
    The Development of the Colt model of 1911
    William H.D. Goddard
    Machinery Magazine - pg456
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ความคิดเห็น • 381

  • @nobodyyouknow1065
    @nobodyyouknow1065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Just 6 years left until the 1911 episode!

    • @mcintoshpc
      @mcintoshpc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Oh boy!!!!

    • @antitheta777
      @antitheta777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      6 years of colt models, or 6 years of Primer episodes? :p

    • @Nodus
      @Nodus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@antitheta777 yes

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Remember they already filmed the Villar Perosa a long long long time ago, don't be surprised if it derails the Colt series.

    • @johnkilcer
      @johnkilcer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The suspense is terrible.... I hope it lasts.
      Lol

  • @fainterdot
    @fainterdot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    the 1911 Primer episode will be more anticipated than the next MCU movie I swear

    • @fasdaVT
      @fasdaVT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This channel has teased the harder then the mcu did thanos

    • @RayTX1337
      @RayTX1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      People anticipate MCU movies?

    • @TheGM-20XX
      @TheGM-20XX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RayTX1337 they did for some strange reason.

    • @USS_Grey_Ghost
      @USS_Grey_Ghost 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 YEA

    • @Strawberry92fs
      @Strawberry92fs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what even is the next one... multiverse of madness? I hear the new spoderman came out, I need to watch it at some point but I heard you had to go to one of those big rooms full of people to watch it? some sort of Movie Opera House?

  • @JackDo-lu8ux
    @JackDo-lu8ux 2 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    Me; Comes back from almost three years of hiatus due to University, life, and burnout.
    Othias, Mae, and C&Rsenal Gang; Still exists and continues their work.
    Me; You are as beautiful as the day I left you.

  • @Hybris51129
    @Hybris51129 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I have to admit that I almost want to buy the cow just so I can leave a 5 star Amazon review gushing over how useful this plushie is for testing .45 ACP.

    • @ABrit-bt6ce
      @ABrit-bt6ce 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I'm calling mine Crozier after the mad f* not the whistle tater.

    • @patriot17764th
      @patriot17764th 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes! Do it.

    • @-Honeybee
      @-Honeybee ปีที่แล้ว +2

      .45 anti-cow pistol?

  • @aussiebloke609
    @aussiebloke609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    51:19 Never noticed it before, but when Othias waggles his eyebrows, his hat bounces up and down in time.
    And with that observation, normal programming can resume. :-D

  • @thegoldencaulk2742
    @thegoldencaulk2742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Lotta folks get hung up on the caliber that Thompson and LaGarde recommend, overlooking the fact that they also emphasize the importance of marksmanship, even suggesting to revise the pistol training target to better drill soldiers in hitting vital areas. They knew there was no replacement for shot placement.

    • @J.DeLaPoer
      @J.DeLaPoer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      A .22lr to the head or heart or a major artery will put you down much faster than a .45 to the lung or gut or... This is also why full auto was phased out for the average rifleman soldier after Vietnam, during which they found the average was something like 200 rounds fired per kill. Shot placement is key, but it's one thing on the range and another thing in actual combat when the pressure is on, adrenaline is flowing and people are trying to kill you. Big rounds were, I think, meant to sort of equalize that difference.

    • @silverjohn6037
      @silverjohn6037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If memory serves during the "single shot to muscle tissue" portion of the slaughterhouse evaluation the .32 ACP dropped the cow faster than any other round. After they did the post mortem they realized they'd unintentionally severed a vein and it had bled out as a result. So shot placement is the king.

    • @Centurion-st5pe
      @Centurion-st5pe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is no replacement for shot placement.

    • @jasonmartin1668
      @jasonmartin1668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the military "Marksmanship? That's crazy! It costs too much! Let's just go with big bullets!! "

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@J.DeLaPoer Yeah, shot placement is key above all else, but the reality of combat is you won't have perfect shot placement. That's because the average soldier isn't Robocop and can nail a small target like a CNS hit every time at all ranges under time pressure. Therefore, a larger round that can do more tissue damage means your shot placement can be more off and still do more damage, whether it's having a greater chance of nicking something important should your aim be off, or creating bigger holes in the target for faster bleed out and organ shut down.

  • @umbraelegios4130
    @umbraelegios4130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    You can really tell it is 2am and both of them are now suffering the "silliness". Love the "Why are there so few of these" " Because they came up with the 1911".

  • @thespecialbru
    @thespecialbru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I’m not saying you should always shoot at 0200AM, but this was a lot of fun!

    • @Dapstart
      @Dapstart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm glad that Mae told us, because otherwise I would've thought Othias had lost his mind

  • @JonManProductions
    @JonManProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    So we had Penguin slides to explain weird Russian magazine ideas and now good ol wooden reference figurine doll to explain US testing on Cadavers to settle on what the boomers call "God's Caliber". Also Fluffy Cows. And Horse Pinata.
    The Othais Way.

    • @Disinterested1
      @Disinterested1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      if Othais wants to monatize the video he has to be super careful of the almighty algorythm and it's total hatred of ANY gun channel ... even professional educational content because this stopped being TH-cam some time ago when it was decided corps should get to sensor our interests
      personally this channel is one of the best I have seen with very well produced content
      best wishes :)

    • @bradjohnson1627
      @bradjohnson1627 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is the way 😃

  • @maewinchester2030
    @maewinchester2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I hope y'all appreciated the "cownter".

  • @larrylapalm7481
    @larrylapalm7481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I remember seeing this in a old sears catalog. In the description it said that the 1905 colt was more powerful than a rifle and has a range of 1000 yds. 😂😂😂 still cool to see them as an option.

    • @DoctorProph3t
      @DoctorProph3t 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      God damn the cap was so big at the turn of the century.

    • @shatbad2960
      @shatbad2960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      False advertising was an unknown concept in the good old days.....

    • @PajamaPantsStudios
      @PajamaPantsStudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What rifle are they talking about? A .22 carbine?

    • @jonathanhudak2059
      @jonathanhudak2059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We can consider those declarations of the time on the Colt1905 as being woefully optimistic! Thanks for sharing that but of info, too cool!

  • @alexhemsath6235
    @alexhemsath6235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The 1904 grand opening of the Thompson-LaGarde Steakhouse in downtown Chicago was just a coincidence.

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The person finding the lump of lead was the prize winner!

  • @bobhunt4402
    @bobhunt4402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The very first time I saw a photo of a 1905 I was about 14 years old. I'd already been shooting my father's handguns for three years (Thanks, Dad) and remember thinking even at that age how horrible that grip angle was.

  • @bigmike9947
    @bigmike9947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Every day we grow closer and closer to the 1911 episode

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm surprised they haven't done the 1911

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Excalibur01 They did. The Swiss 1911 was covered a while ago.

    • @PhoenixFire2
      @PhoenixFire2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      What's a 1911? Must be a real obscure thing if it hasn't been covered yet.

    • @CountArtha
      @CountArtha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's hapenninggggggggggg 😁

    • @BluCappy419
      @BluCappy419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Excalibur01 They said a while ago that they wanted to do all the stages of the 1911 in order and didn't want to start until they had them all.

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It’s interesting that while the 1911 seems “obviously” the best design to many people, who see the design emerging in on piece from JMB’s brain, nothing could be further from the truth. The road to the finished design was full of fits, starts, halts, and head-scratchings.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is an overall good thing, since no design is usually perfect out of the box and being able to radically change the design based on feedback is what helped it become such a great gun. Meanwhile you look at the C93 Borschart where the designer just said "Nope, gun's perfect, I'm not changing shit" and it only truly became successful once Georg Luger came along and turned it into the Luger. And even that didn't have the staying power the 1911 did.

  • @KellEasy
    @KellEasy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Now I really want a Coen Bro's rendition of the Thompson LaGarde trials. It's just too whimsical and ridiculous to pass up.

    • @SlavicCelery
      @SlavicCelery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'd imagine a film with hints of "The Death of Stalin"

  • @brianknezevich9894
    @brianknezevich9894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    When do we get a full history of the toy suction cup dart gun?
    It's been featured, now we need to know...

    • @jasonmartin1668
      @jasonmartin1668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I demand an episode! Ylthis information is vital to national security and knowledge!

  • @patrickstanberry7302
    @patrickstanberry7302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    *Othais: Brings up the full feed ramp in the 1905 design* *Me: Laughs in Para-Ordnance P14-45* for real though, I've heard a lot of folks complain about the P14's.......I have either got lucky for once when buying the first one I had, and also the second one I currently have because both never gave/give me any trouble. Also I have had an obscene amount of "fudds" get excited knowing a young'in daily carrying a 1911, only to have their faces contort out of shear hatred and disgust when I tell them its a double stack while they are angrily saying the time tested phrase, "YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN 7 ROUNDS KID!" .....like.....okay, only I know for a fact the mag that is in your daily carry 1911 is a 8 round Chip McCormick mag and you have 3 10 round Wilson Combat extended mags because you were so excited to buy them from this exact shop when I was working here XD

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว

      My custom built 1911 was off a Para Ordnance frame. I love this thing. Got some 15+1 magazines for it and some Taylor Freelance extensions which add an additional 3 rounds. So I have a 15+1 flush fit for normal carry and 18+1 extended for reloads if need be, all in .45ACP. Definitely a lot of firepower there.
      I've haven't seen many Fudds complain about my gun, probably because outside of the double stack frame it keeps everything else good about the 1911. Does make the grip pretty thick, though, so I can understand complaints from people used to shooting strictly single stack 1911s. Doubling the capacity of .45ACP doesn't come with no downsides. But since I like shooting my Desert Eagle, that's not a problem for me. lol

  • @timothyackerman1215
    @timothyackerman1215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Why did I just buy a floofy cow?

  • @ElmCreekSmith
    @ElmCreekSmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My paternal grandfather carried a S&W Model 1917 as an officer in a machine gun company during The Great War in 1918 due to a shortage of M1911s. The shortage was the result of the massive expansion of the Army when we figured out it wasn't going to be "just another European war." My grandfather was a gas casualty and evacuated back to the US. He was invalided out of the service in late 1920/1. He was a county agricultural agent until he sickened with tuberculosis & died in 1928. My younger daughter has his officer's saber, and my older brother has the big S&W revolver. My father carried it during WW II as a USAAF bomber pilot.

  • @prycenewberg3976
    @prycenewberg3976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just bought Elmer Keith's book Sixguns and have to share a couple quotes from it.
    "Many times a mad Moro tribesman would absorb a whole chamber full of these little .38 slugs in his chest, then come right on in and clip off the officer's head with one swing of his bolo." That was concerning the .38 Long you discussed.
    "When a Moro collected a 250 grain .45 Colt slug in the chest he usually lost interest in all things earthly, then and there." That addressed the .45 Colt.

  • @marsrizzo2854
    @marsrizzo2854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Center mass bovines. Sounds like a metal band. Great upload

  • @Courier-Six
    @Courier-Six 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I know it isn't perfect design but i really have to say for Browning sticking with his toggle link concept, the dual function locking lugs is absolutely brilliant and so simple. The locking lugs have to be there anyway, why not make them dual function?

    • @xt6wagon
      @xt6wagon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Its likely the source of the brutal recoil? nice short trip back then BAM hard into the frame. I think its a great idea for something more sane in a pistol than .45 ACP if you don't want to tilt the barrel.

    • @Courier-Six
      @Courier-Six 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@xt6wagon i would have to disagree with ya on the influence on the recoil if only because it happens toward the end of operation when most of the recoil and muzzleflip would have taken effect. I think the increased recoil is from a number of factors. The weight of the pistol being a full half pound lighter than the 1911, the operating system being designed to handle a lighter projectile, and the angle of the grip being more shallow. All those would combine to really amplify the .45 ACPs recoil. Granted, the lower locking lugs may contribute but i think overall it is more the ergonomics and design of the pistol itself that lead to how fierce this pistols recoil is.

  • @vaclav_fejt
    @vaclav_fejt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    42:50 - "oh god" - if it's the infamous salty liquorice, I admire your restraint, Othais.

  • @brentkeller3826
    @brentkeller3826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    2AM Mae and Othais are hilarious.

    • @ES90344
      @ES90344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You think that's good, join Patreon and listen to the podcast.

  • @xt6wagon
    @xt6wagon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    .45acp, for when killing horses is a key factor in selecting a gun.
    9mm, for when you are shooting at mere men.

    • @Pcm979
      @Pcm979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was thinking much the same thing. "If the US army's ever in a war against cows and they only have handguns, this is ideal!"

    • @SlavicCelery
      @SlavicCelery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Pcm979 Diablo II has shown the sheer power of angry cows. One should plan for that possible bovine terror.

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If killing horses were the prime target, they could have stopped in 1847 with the Colt Walker!

    • @browngreen933
      @browngreen933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When your adversary is charging at you on a horse, shooting the beast out from under him is an important consideration.

  • @tacticalmanatee
    @tacticalmanatee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That Photoshop clip had me laughing out loud. I love you guys.

  • @TenaciousTrilobite
    @TenaciousTrilobite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’m not sure if y’all talking about how unpleasant it is to shoot makes me want one less, or if it actually makes me want one *more*

  • @ronmaximilian6953
    @ronmaximilian6953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Given the description of the testing of the various caliber bullets, I am very thankful for the existence of ballistic gelatin.

    • @gotsloco1810
      @gotsloco1810 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you forget the meat target. I like the meat target over ballistics gelatin.

    • @ronmaximilian6953
      @ronmaximilian6953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gotsloco1810 I pictured bullets hitting carcasses and the types of damage these would cause to bones, ligaments, and organs based on what I've seen from ballistic gelatin being hit by various pistol and revolver rounds. If picturing this makes you happy, good for you. It makes me slightly nauseated.

    • @octopussmasher2694
      @octopussmasher2694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ronmaximilian6953 they are referring to a method used by some, notably Paul Harrell, who use store bought meat and produce to simulate a living target

  • @peternicol3439
    @peternicol3439 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That Liquorice went straight to Othias' Head

    • @davidbrennan660
      @davidbrennan660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s nasty.

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidbrennan660 And I’m guessing it does a number on pistol finishes…

  • @leppeppel
    @leppeppel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    May this humble support comment feed the Almighty Algorithm as I slumber, ere returning here come morning.

  • @MartinCHorowitz
    @MartinCHorowitz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do we get the exploding bullet trials episode?

  • @MrTeijo
    @MrTeijo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now I want 1812 Overture played with various Colt automatics. Like a miniature version.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    ...thank you for the animation of the disconnector especially with its distinctive color that separates it from the sear...no one has ever shown the relationship of the 'connector' to the sear with that kind of clarity...I've been looking for a very long time for just such a description/animation of the disconnector/sear...

    • @baanimations3689
      @baanimations3689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're welcome, it's comments like yours that make my work rewarding.

    • @mohammedcohen
      @mohammedcohen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@baanimations3689 ....most if not all animations ignore the 'connector' (as IIRC, Layne Simpson, calls it)...I'd been looking for an animation that shows exactly HOW it operates and this is bloody EXCELLENT...thanx again)

  • @dococc5480
    @dococc5480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have one of these 1905's serial number 236. Still in 90-95 % condition with 2 mags. have had it for 10 yrs but have never fired it. Not sure if modern ammo would be ok. Different bluing on trigger and extractor. Beautiful firearm.

    • @ncc8327
      @ncc8327 ปีที่แล้ว

      Modern ammo is not you need low recoil 45acp.
      I use 230gr but a light powder load pushing a velocity of 675

  • @uncleroysmusic
    @uncleroysmusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    28:18 (Mae) whoa...nice kick. this one ain't messin' round...

  • @bashfull30
    @bashfull30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hey, I have a radical and entertaining idea: let's discuss (as forcefully as one would like, and whilst using as many apocryphal anecdotes as possible) the difference between a larger calibre and a smaller calibre. Just to get the ball rolling, let me suggest 9mm parabellum vs. 45 acp. Oh, and don't forget to impune the manhood of opposing proponents, and also slip in a few stereotypical insults about popular ridding apparel ie spurs, stetsons and such.

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      With the maturity, empathy and intelligence, discussions are done in our times and especially on the web, i can not imagine such a discussion to be anything but calm, civilized, and without mentioning any perceived personal attributes of the other debaters.

    • @bashfull30
      @bashfull30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nirfz Me too. I believe it will be just like the civil and fruitful discussions one reads about the efficacy of an external thumb safety over the triiger-dingus safety, when utilising a firearm for concealed personal protection.
      I look forward to it.

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bashfull30 Ah, yes.
      Of course i have to agree, one would not need to be an optimist in the slightest, to expect the behavior shown in those prime examples of "how one should conduct oneself in discussions", to be replicated for this matter.
      I too look forward to read/listen...

    • @bashfull30
      @bashfull30 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nirfz agree entirely. It should prove stimulating and cordial. Why would these discussions not be? I mean, it's not as though they'd bother arguing that the Garand wasn't an overrated POS now, is it.....

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bashfull30 I almost can't contain my anticipation for a well worded, flawless parlance. Incorporating finest projectile propelling devices and a complete absence of any cult like following of such and thus no blindness to probable weeknesses or obsolences.

  • @onyx9943
    @onyx9943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Longer, thicker, straighter, all the way to the end"
    -The Gospel of Richard 6:9

  • @Moondog66602
    @Moondog66602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As gruesome, horrible and unethical as the tests were, the did get the information the were looking for.

  • @SlavicCelery
    @SlavicCelery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The fact that John Thompson was born before the end of the civil war melts my brain just a little bit. He also saw the start of WWII.

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There were a handful of Civil War veterans that also served during WWI. Usually as higher ranking officers coming back from retirement, though.

    • @SlavicCelery
      @SlavicCelery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TenaciousTrilobite It's a bit like seeing that picture of the Civil War vet standing next to the F-86 Sabre. It's not that it didn't happen, but the fact it happened so close together is just weird.

  • @BumroyV2
    @BumroyV2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The details you shared of the cadaver and livestock testing were already horrifying. I can't imagine what reading the full report would be like.

  • @GeneralJackRipper
    @GeneralJackRipper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Scientifically speaking, terminal effect is measured by the interaction of two different things:
    1) Velocity at Impact
    2) Cross Sectional Area of the Projectile
    It's no surprise a larger diameter bullet, who is also heavier, would show good marks on a terminal effects test. The increase in diameter is already meeting one parameter, while the retention in velocity of a heavier bullet would meet the other. Of course modern bullets with their jacketed projectiles and expansion capabilities meet the requirements to attain desired terminal effects, but back in the day the large diameter pistol bullet did gain the edge in performance for a short time.
    I don't think it's a question anymore of which is better, but for a few decades there the .45 (and other types) was a clear winner in terminal performance.

  • @lawrencehudson9939
    @lawrencehudson9939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was fortunate and worked at a store that handled the sale of a collection of 45 automatics which contained a couple of the 1905s one with the shoulder stock holster and round hammer, the other had the spur hammer. The collection was a great educational opportunity as it also contained all the rare 1911s, Reminton/UMC, Union Switch & Signal, Singer and North American Arms as well as foreign contracts, 455 RFC, and the Russian British, I cannot remember all the details as this was in the late 1970s. It would be wonderful if you could get a Savage 45 and a reproduction 45 Luger and do your own trials comparison. I think Ian has had all 3 but I don't think he got to shoot the Savage. Wonderful presentation. Thanks.

    • @MCG55555
      @MCG55555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He has definitely shot a Savage in .45. It is one of his oldest videos.

  • @Khanclansith
    @Khanclansith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I honestly thought that you guys had that stuffed cow laying around the house already....
    And Mae and Othias trying to keep straight faces when she started into Meme Territory was priceless.

  • @lorrinbarth1969
    @lorrinbarth1969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You don't explain this gun's heavy kick. This requires me to tell a story. I was a skeet club member and was using a very slick, gunsmith-ed pump. However, I noticed my cousin had a beautiful double in skeet & skeet and I asked to borrow it. He said, "You don't want to shoot that gun, it kicks like a mule." Unconvinced, I took it to the range. It kicked like a mule. Part way around the course I noticed I was having trouble seeing. The recoil had knocked a lens out of my glasses. So, what made this gun so different from any other 12 ga.?

    • @MisterOcclusion
      @MisterOcclusion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Weight and stock geometry? I have a double that beats me horribly, and yet I can shoot any pump with a hard butt plate no problem. Winchester 1897 riot gun is my favourite shits n giggles skeet gun. That or an 870 with the police barrel. I had the police barrel threaded for chokes just so I could be That Guy on the trap field too.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ..Thompson pronounced his middle name as 'Tolliver'...I often think of the character in Kipling's short story "The Man Who Would be King", Peachy Taliafero Carnehan (along with his companion, Daniel Dravot)...I wonder if Kipling pronounced his character's name in the same way...

  • @tiortedrootsky
    @tiortedrootsky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best looking colt pistol imo. I wish somebody would make a new version, modernised internally, but very true to the looks of 1905.

  • @Danheron2
    @Danheron2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Human cadavers, gruesome but understandable didn’t exactly have ballistic gel back then, horses are just fucked up 😂

    • @SonOfTheDawn515
      @SonOfTheDawn515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      While cadaver usage is very valuable in forensics, and certainly pig cadavers are used when other better mediums aren't available, the issue with using dead tissue is that depending on any preservatives used on the body, lack of preservatives and/or freshness of the body certainly affects results. Dead tissues don't react and lack proteins and other valuable resources that affect how tissues operate with a live animal. However, "close enough for government work" and certainly preferable to murdering and torturing quadrupeds.

  • @IRMentat
    @IRMentat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    47:30 this made me chuckle :p
    as did the entire eyebrow waggle session just after

  • @ja0298
    @ja0298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In some alternate universe, there is a US gov’t that still uses .45 but kept chasing the “muh stomping powah” train.
    They eventually wound up with the 45 win mag.

  • @spooge1oh1
    @spooge1oh1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The 1905 is the perfect General Officer's pistol, made to carry often and shoot seldom.

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Too big and heavy for that. The 1903 hammerless is what they actually used.

  • @sonparabailar
    @sonparabailar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    48:31 🤪
    51:17 🤣

    • @garreth629
      @garreth629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Those moments had me dying, especially the way Othias raises his eyebrows at one point. This is easily one of my favorite episodes, and its only partially because I love learning about the 1911 precursors.
      Apparently to Mae size does matter. She just prefers them less girthy. 😆. We still love you Mae.

  • @Charon-5582
    @Charon-5582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really enjoy my 7.63x25 mauser +p chambered browning model 33 russian lol. But seriously there are so many design similarities between these guns and the TT33.

    • @jonathanhudak2059
      @jonathanhudak2059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure the Russians copied some of the design features for their classic Tokarev

    • @Charon-5582
      @Charon-5582 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanhudak2059 the only major differences are the removable trigger group and caliber... otherwise its just piece meal colt pistol parts...

  • @ayychrissy1749
    @ayychrissy1749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had a permanent grin the last 20 minutes. Pure Othais/Mae magic 😂😂

  • @illegalclown
    @illegalclown 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I could have done without all of Mae's dirty talk. Some of us have kids in the room! 🤣

    • @ketchman8299
      @ketchman8299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trust me if your kids watch ANY commercial TV they have seen much worse. And your old enough to understand the double meanings.

  • @Kar-wm5on
    @Kar-wm5on 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That suction cup dart Luger is a thing of beauty !

  • @leecrt967
    @leecrt967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe the Luger with its steeply angled more "pointable" grip in the US Army pistol trials was a big influence in the ultimate creation of the 1911 Colt.
    Anyone here agree? Disagree?

  • @stamfordly6463
    @stamfordly6463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't mean to nitpick old chap and I know it's a cuddly toy but "HE was the cutest looking COW"? One or t'other but not both.

  • @CommanderFillmore
    @CommanderFillmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for all your hard work in Firearms history

  • @Arbiter099
    @Arbiter099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, cool someone historically influential from Thibodaux… oh, never mind. Let me forget everything I just learned about him.

  • @ALRinaldi
    @ALRinaldi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hmm, y'all might want to get your hands on a LugerMan .45 ACP repro... Maybe a special comparing the big 3 from the trials... Just a thought!

  • @JenniferinIllinois
    @JenniferinIllinois 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Othias: Mae's too weak for .45ACP
    Mae: Hold my T-Gewehr!

  • @ditzydoo4378
    @ditzydoo4378 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ah yes, the continuing saga of the Colt Automatics development. ^~^ And Mae gets to make the Boom-Stick go Boom... >~< always a treat.

  • @andik.4235
    @andik.4235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You have earned your sleep with this one. Fun to watch (to ease up this cruel testing with your props was nicely done), great in detail and I understand now why we go C&Rsenal-style till a particular hand gun. Thank you for the effort.
    Testing the 1905 and sticking with this beast of a cartrige, you need as ordanance board and as manufacturer some real determination to make this work. I`m looking forward to get there with you.
    By the way, in my personal experience, I didn`t like any .45 ACP in any modern hand gun. It made me flinch, and it took some time to put the next shot on target, and every 9mm with the same weight was much easier to shoot and is always the prefered choice as I`m not willing to pretend I would like to handle that much recoil.

  • @jorgechalub8930
    @jorgechalub8930 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina

  • @prjndigo
    @prjndigo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "more upward ejection" Well yeah... or do you think a horse hit in the face with a cartridge is even going to care that its only a cartridge?

  • @justinvance007
    @justinvance007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Incredible video. What kind of .45acp did you use to shoot the M1905? Some say standard modern ammo is too powerful???

    • @justinvance007
      @justinvance007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m still wondering what kind of ammo you shot. There are very few videos of these actually being shot.

    • @ncc8327
      @ncc8327 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would love to know that too

  • @DeerHunter308
    @DeerHunter308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Although I don't think i've ever missed an episode, this is the first time I have seen Mae so animated in her reaction to the recoil and Blast of the pistol. A mixture of surprise, happiness and joy. She is such a cool chick. In a very platonic way from this 73 Y/O man

  • @piatpotatopeon8305
    @piatpotatopeon8305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $2.86 per 100 rounds!? I pay more than that in bottle caps for a single round! Wow, what a century of inflation will do.

  • @WasatchGarandMan
    @WasatchGarandMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:31 The Fat Controller was very Cross! "You are far to weak for the job at hand .38 Colt!" He said.

  • @lairdcummings9092
    @lairdcummings9092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Getting all the historical details in, before the great iconic version...

    • @TenaciousTrilobite
      @TenaciousTrilobite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don’t worry, we’ll get to the Norwegian 1914 eventually

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TenaciousTrilobite heh! Well-played!

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They said they will do the 1907 beforehand.

  • @hockeytownluv2012
    @hockeytownluv2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    John Moses Browning

  • @Ace0Spades17
    @Ace0Spades17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    35:02. Think there’s any relation between me and Samuel Merrill?

  • @octopussmasher2694
    @octopussmasher2694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has like 8 pistols uses hammer for humane dispatch. Genius

  • @jimbo5896
    @jimbo5896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best part about working 3rd shift is new episodes are released while I'm awake, so I get to watch them right away.

  • @matthaught4707
    @matthaught4707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Punch-drunk 2am Mae and Othias are best Mae and Othias.

  • @renngretsch
    @renngretsch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    51:16 You two need to watch some of the old "Carry On" movies...if you haven't already????????

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or Benny Hill…

  • @niklasaskham4208
    @niklasaskham4208 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All my troubles are so far away. Thanks c&r team😘

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "The most important thing is good hits!" okay, so a cartridge suited to taking many rapid accurate sho- "And the bullet had to be huge, heavy and unjacketed!" well... kinda getting mixed signals here.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah, because given how many people miss outright in combat, the idea that the hits you do land will always be well placed will be questionable at best. So having rounds that are more effective even with less than perfect shot placement is warranted.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gameragodzilla People aren't missing arbitrarily, they're missing because of the qualities of the firearm, I think the best improvement the 1911 offered was a better trigger and sights that weren't mere scratches on the top of the frame.
      With expanding ammunition a .45 unjacketed bullet has a lot more potential but with the tech of that time it was impossible in an auto-loader even without the Hague convention.
      With jacketed round nose bullets there's really not much difference between .45 and .38 bullets, the main effect of .45 is much much greater penetration through soft tissue which is relevant when shooting horses used by cavalry but not much else.
      That's the basis of the preference for .45 cal (hardball), its better penetration on very large animals.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Treblaine No, there is a difference. .45ACP mathematically has a 60% larger wound channel size vs. 9mm. Hollow point expansion may vary, but generally it’s still 60% larger. The difference isn’t big in absolute terms, but it is big enough to override 9mm’s difference in speed and capacity, since 2 .45s would do more tissue damage than 3 9mms.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gameragodzilla Yeah, it's got a 60% larger cross section and I used to presume that would mean a 60% larger wound cross section but that's not what happens because body tissue doesn't act like paper against round nose bullets.
      When a round nose bullet pierces through tissue there is a small tear then the tissue elastically expands to let the bullet pass then elastically contracts. The result is a small hole like an ice-pick even with .45 round nose bullets.
      If you have a wide flat meplat then up the velocity much more then you start getting a wound channel as large as caliber.
      But it's worth reiterating that ice-pick like wounds are still extraordinarily debilitating because you don't exactly have to entirely completely obliterate someone's internal organs, it's like getting a puncture in your tire, as long as it's above a critical size the pressure will drop and the tire will just cease working. Ditto for lungs, heart, arteries, etc.
      The important thing was hitting internal organs. For a long time it was thought that it was hopeless to aim a handgun in combat you just had to pump out more rounds and hope at least one hit but separately many found that fast center mass hits were practical with the suitable weapon and training.
      Not the case with expanding bullets, you can get .45ACP rounds with one inch diameter expansion! I'm just talking about the bad old days when auto-loaders needed round nose bullets to function.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Treblaine Eh, that’s basically what you get since pistol rounds move too slowly for the temporary stretch cavity to mean anything, so the only damage a pistol bullet does is the permanent crush cavity.
      And yeah, you don’t need to obliterate something. So long as the organ is shut down and you get enough bleed, the target will go down. But to use your tire analogy, the larger the puncture hole on the tire, the faster it’ll deflate.
      And for the very last point, fair, but that does show the general point that larger bullets cause more bleed than smaller bullets assuming similar shot placement, whether it’s a hollow point expanding more or just a physically larger bullet.

  • @kevinsullivan3448
    @kevinsullivan3448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    C&Rsenal After Dark: The Thickness.

  • @mauserinchinaaaronzou88
    @mauserinchinaaaronzou88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's quite disturbing to test cartridge back to 1900s. France even used corpse in examination of bullet damage to real human body.

  • @balancedfordaylight1
    @balancedfordaylight1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    just when I thought I was getting to bed at a decent time

  • @Sturm01
    @Sturm01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    34:55 $2.86 for 100 rounds of .45acp?! NOW I want a time machine!

    • @mencken8
      @mencken8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What would the weekly wage be in 1905?

    • @ketchman8299
      @ketchman8299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Basically crappy reloads, less than 1/2 of them met specs so...... maybe that was why so cheap?

    • @Sturm01
      @Sturm01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ketchman8299 I'd just donate it the alphabet guys for their use 😉

    • @stephenkissinger4434
      @stephenkissinger4434 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Bureau of Labor Statistics' inflation calculator only goes back to 1913, but $2.86 in 1913 would be equivalent to $82.80 now. Taking it back another 8 years would make it slightly higher, so maybe ~$85 or so in modern dollars.

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephenkissinger4434 Also at $2.86 per hundred, you had to buy 10,000! Still want that time machine? Call up a Ammo company and ask what kind of deal you can get NOW for an order of 10,000.

  • @timinwsac
    @timinwsac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kinda off topic but I gotta wonder what's in Mae's gun safe.

  • @patrickwentz8413
    @patrickwentz8413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kudos to your cow and pistol props.

  • @robertprueter3292
    @robertprueter3292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mae being done with Othias at the end, gold

  • @Gunner40Five
    @Gunner40Five 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is such a awesome series. You guys are the best.
    Keep up the good work. Can't wait for the next videos.

  • @armorer94
    @armorer94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All that and a salmiakki reference? Sign me up!

  • @chibicascade
    @chibicascade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need that cow..

  • @J.DeLaPoer
    @J.DeLaPoer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These early Colts are my favorites; the steep, near-vertical grip angle is much better for my hand than the 1911's, or really 99% of pistols period. Something like a 1905 with forward slide serrations, stub hammer, standard mag release and a manual safety like the 1911's would be the absolute perfect auto pistol for me -- if such a thing existed. As it is, the 1905/stub hammer seems as good as it gets (besides being more comfortable, the grip angle seems to make the biggest impact on my shooting, and accuracy is always the key factor). I'd CCW it instead of my 1911, but just don't like the lack of manual safety in a carry gun. Yes half-cock is a thing, but it's slow, awkward, and really not actually that safe to use.
    I like a vertical grip on my AR too.

  • @bullpupgaming708
    @bullpupgaming708 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm watching Mae's explain it and all I'm thinking is that scene from Dbz Abridged with imperfect cell.
    Cell: "My overwhelming power Piccolo, it's weight, it's......girth..." lol

  • @MrJonathandcrow
    @MrJonathandcrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Siri Should Change To Hey Mae With That Robot Voice . You Guys Are Great

  • @impliedtomato8760
    @impliedtomato8760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was some bend to her wrist, holy crap

  • @awokado5710
    @awokado5710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally a new episode! Glad you guys never disappoint with the quality!

  • @Youcannotfalter
    @Youcannotfalter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those poor animals.

  • @adamjpotatos8271
    @adamjpotatos8271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think simple history already covered the Honomintados tribesman also i forgot to mention the forgotten weapons channel covered the evolution of the m1911

    • @markknife1
      @markknife1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ah yes. The Juramentados. . .(and the Philippine "Insurrection" or campaign in general)
      the basis for the 45acp, the 12 gauge shotgun, and .30 caliber use in military service.

  • @crankygunreviews
    @crankygunreviews 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha ha the Cownter is great. Love the dry humor.

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    More fine work Othias but are you still having trouble pronouncing Woolwich (wool-itch)? Good thing it wasn’t Woolfardisworthy or Loughborough………

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Best current book in print if you want to learn more on the Philippines-American conflict is Honor in the Dust by Greg Jones. Yes there are other better books out there, but tracking copies of those down can be a pain. And also the fact it's one of those areas of US History that gets skipped over because it's icky sticky grey to black complex web of factions, racism, tribalism, colonialism, realpolitik with other great powers and Americans hate learning about complex subjects that challenge their feelings, I say this as an American.

  • @kirkmooneyham
    @kirkmooneyham 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tend to stay away from saying anything remotely political on here because thankfully so do Othais and Mae. However, I take exception to calling the Philippines a US "colony". Did the US occupy that nation? Yes, most certainly. But a colony would imply that the US was trying to settle major numbers of Americans there, and that did not happen. More accurate to consider the Philippines as a US possession.