History Primer 156: Swiss Revolver of 1878 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Liege Gunmakers through their Work 1800 - 1950
Alain Daubresse
Geschichte und Technik der Europaischen Militärrevolver
Rolf H. Muller
The Warnant Revolver
Daniel Casanova
Pistolen und Revolver de Schweiz
Christian Reinhart
The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols
Joachim Gortz & Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess
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The longer we delve into mid-to-late 1800's European revolvers, the more I appreciate how hard it can be isolate a single technical development.
Remember revolvers are simpler than automatics, right?
@@tenofprime most automatics. An open bolt full auto is simpler than a revolver
@@fyretnt Simpler would imply far less parts.... and even a "simple" bolt action full auto type gun has over 16-20 major parts and usually another 2-6 smaller parts for operations.
@@SasoriZert an open bolt only needs a bolt with a nipple to hit the primer, a trigger to move out of the way of the bolt and a mag. Take the luty sten or uzi, they are all very simple full auto firearms, also I said some revolvers, not all
It's sort of weird that the entire action of a Swiss revolver has fewer springs in it than the magazine of a Mosin-Nagant.
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Ah, yes. A 75 minute video on a gun that I never heard of.
Day made :3
European revolvers with long dead cartridges usually don't tempt me, but this strange clicky Swiss auto-ejector is veeeeery appealing
No such thing as a dead cartridge in my opinion. Generally; some maniac makes the round still, even if that maniac is you.
oh hey it’s you again!
It's like cheesecake. It is sweet and fulfilling but, you'll get sick from too much of it.
The next swiss revolver model of 1882 was used up to 1975, last users had been elderly military craftsmen, elderly auxillary policemen and elderly railway guards. The revolver cartridges had been 7,5 mm Swiss ordonance, similar to swedish revolver. For the reason that Switzerland had a large ammunition stock, for a long time Gouvernement could sell cartridges out of stock, but today they are rare, perhaps italian Fiocci company produces low numbers in their Historic Cartridge Line.
@@nipplecream3099 Fancy meeting you here
The whole smoke-obscuring thing reminds me of a shotgun match I shot a few years back. We had a guy show up with an original 1887 Winchester running BP handloads, and during the 'mad minute' stage he would fire off his magazine and hope the smoke cleared while he was reloading the tube :)
That mechanism is amazing. I have followed all of Bruno's excellent animations and they are a huge asset to the show.
The simplicity of the lockwork is really impressive
Still one of the weirdest revolvers I've handled, no gate, just believe in the gun and roll with it.
Where do you guys find the ammunition for these weapons? It boggles my mind thinking about it.
@@avian68tb the custom ammo for the odd guns is one of the reasons the show costs more to make than many TH-cam gun channels.
@@avian68tb reload basically.
@@That_NJ_guy I remember back when they did a ton of 32s one nice thing for the show was buying off the shelf ammo.
it's beautifuul
"So once more we've made room for Mae but in a shocking twist, Crozier is filling in. Let's see what the feral potato creature thinks of this weapon."
"*Weeeek weeeet WHEEK*"
"And there you have it, inedible and unappetizing. Just what the frontline potato creature needs to properly defend their burrow."
About 30 years ago I was taught how to work on Smith and Colt revolvers (I've since forgotten most of what I learned). I can't believe how simple this is comparatively speaking, and the pistol is so elegant. I love this gun! If only it had a swing-out cylinder.
The scholarship and integrity researching primary source material behind this show is matched only by the technical competency amd charisma of its team. You guys rock!
I must admit, with no small amount of shame, that I fell asleep sometime after Othias started talking about Smith&Wessons and woke up when Mae was loading the revolver to shoot it. So now here I am watching the episode Tuesday afternoon... like a noob
So in the end, after trialing a number of weapons, the Swiss settled on a service arm that doesn’t rapid load, doesn’t rapid eject, doesn’t auto eject, and is expensive to manufacture. It is beautiful, elegant to handle and a shiny object de art, that makes six rounds of ammunition go boom just like other less expensive options.
Kinda like a Swiss watch. It is beautiful, elegant to handle and a shiny object de art, that tells the time just like a Timex. Uh, Ya.
That being said, I want one!
But....... it's SHINY!
I love the simplicity of this revolver. The frames on these always look wonky to me, but the design is great. the thought that went into this- the gnurled cylinder, simplicity of design, simply elegant.
That's such a beautiful revolver. The lines and profile are gorgeous. It even has a throaty bark when firing.
For everyone who tends to skip the channel announcements at the end, you do yourself a great disservice if you do so this time. Do watch and enjoy to the end this time for sure!
Those Belgians and French really seemed to live that 12mm cartridge at least for a short while around this time period. Probably a good thing the Swiss 10.4mm request came along.
PS the only channel where we get to hear about a guns overall “clickiness” and yes it’s a good thing
Ah, the Swiss army... one of the first to adapt a semi-automatic pistol in 1900, and definitely the last to retire a black powder revolver in 1975.
What a charming bloke of a revolver! And another season of hand traps? Yes! The Kevin poster is amazing but that Mae sticker is fire...
Love this! Seeing revolvers inner working like this are probably why people love steampunk so much. I wonder how technology would be different if more clockwork was used and evolved rather than how electronics took over.
I love the the way you two skylark around like an old married couple lol! Also, very interesting revolver. Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
It is beautiful that all the internal parts are finely finished; no roughness anywhere. A good question for Mae would be; do you like this revolver over the Colt SAA revolver?
I bet she'd give this the nod based off the double action capability alone, based off of previous videos. Just a guess though.
I like your use of digital images and graphic design. it sets you apart and it really helps convey detail
Glad you like it!
Thanks for making such a comprehensive video on such a dream gun. No one else does this like you. I'm still pulling for your Pieper/Steyr 1893 revolver episode. Love you guys.
What an odd duck of a revolver, especially given the advanced rifles the Swiss had. Though given their fighting style of riflemen shooting from the mountains it makes a fair bit of sense they would find this good enough for as long as they did.
True but I think they realised it later with the Luger (Parabellum) and went bonkers on the P210.
This is a pretty interesting variation of the 1911!
These attached side plates on hinge are so cool. Few parts and still works well, less to lose, clean, easy to maintain.
The lockwork and takedown on this is absolutely genius level
One thing in regard to your hand trap episodes. Please, please continue them. They are one of the most relaxing, interesting things on TH-cam.
Another great episode, also I love the hand trap series and how much fun you have with it. Keep up the good work!
Very interesting. The internal mechanism is very, very similar to the internal mechanism of the redesigned 2020 Colt (CZ) Python.
Nothing like a tuesday morning and some C&Rsenal to listen at work!
A sidenote to Swiss cavallry. The last 6500 swiss dragons dismounted in 1972 the last time, when swiss cavallry dissapeared. Compared to other european armies , the before 1914 100000 men swiss army had few cavallry. This had been , in contrast to other armies only dragons ( Dragoner). Also, but not realy cavallry, there had been up to 1920s the ,Guiden', a number of mounted soldiers added to every regiment ( brigade) , their job was escorting transport or artillry columns, messengers, some patroling/ reconnaisance etc., but not charging . So swiss army had no need for a real large number of massive cavallry revolvers. A thing out of firearms context, was swiss Field Priests Sidesword of 1911, showing that swiss gouvernement allways tried to solve a military problem as good as possible.
There are "deep dives" and then there are C&Rsenal videos, which go to a whole other level. So deep, in fact, that Othias needs more videos to complete his tangents. Wild!
The just as the world gets ever crazier, C&Rsenal gives an episode on an old wheel gun...thanks guys.
You have got our back.
Hammer to Fall, and now Queen is stuck in my head. Thankyou?
Also, all the best clicks.
I love this pistol and I really love all Swiss firearms to this day!! I believe that every Swiss gun that I heard about is usually pretty good at the very least
Oh it's going to be a good night with this little beauty being uploaded
Beautiful, thank you
Love your pistol episodes!!
That action is Brilliant!
Gorgeous revolver and fantastic design, I want one, thanks for sharing
So, basically what your getting at is it operates like a swiss watch. Beautiful revolver, and yes, Cavalry we're and still are, very flashy and no it didn't spook the horses as they were trained to be shot off of and to ignore the flash of the sword.
Another awesome episode! You guys are seriously the best.
Keep up the good work.
Swiss army revolver, retrofitted with a small knife, fork, spoon & of course a toothpick; this little workhorse had it all. 😊
Such a beautyful revolver and such an amazing mechanism. Only overshadowed by the beaty of May.
Great video again, thanks @C&Rsenal
The carabiner on Mae’s headband makes it look like you transport her around suspended under a helicopter. 😄
Good work on this one. Have a nice day!
Well I wasn’t expecting this I think we were all expecting something more of the 1911. Now for me I could care less about the 1911 but I know a bunch of others seem to like it. Frankly,I’ll take this Swiss revolver episode :)
I am looking forward to them doing more on the 1911 as the team puts so much depth into the episodes. It is nice to get a break and see other stuff as well mind you
@@tenofprime Yup I want all the details on it. What I REALLY want is a follow up to it with the Hi Power. Gotta have both Brownings...
Second time watching this video. Wanted to say thanks for the replay value!
That's a pretty sweet smoke dispenser you've got there 😀
So nice to get home from work and find one of your excellent videos. Cheers 🥇🏆
Thanks for sharing 👍
Great Content... nice history basis
Very good video. I have always been partial to revolvers
Excellent!!
Such a beautiful revolver in my opinion. Has such a lovely thud with that cartridge
The checkering on cylinder appears to have been cut like a thread overlapping right and left. Relatively easy to do but 90 degrees from where it would give the best effect. An engineering masterpiece, one spring , rebounding hammer and all those satisfying clicks...I want one.
Looks like a very modern design. Of course, it would be prohibitively expensive with all the machining and hand fitting needed.
That revolver did NOT disappoint me in the least. Swiss precision and manufacture work!
Kinesthetics likened to Legos. What's next? Illustrating ammo pathing with some crazy demo, say, penguins? 🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧
Just picked up a Model 1872/78 today. Really interesting piece.
1:17 Off topic, perhaps, but I have to confess I was momentarily thrilled when I mistakenly thought you had Johnson rifles for sale in the C&R shop. I mean, I can appreciate a good poster as much as the next guy, but it was still quite an emotional roller coaster
It's amazing to me how simultaneously simple and complex these later military revolvers are.
The mechanism keeps getting refined into fewer parts, but the complexity of the actions those parts perform increase, each one having to do more than before.
Having carefully crafted shapes having to interact together to achieve multiple goals at different points in their travel instead of individual components operating in a clear specific function.
I love this channel... I feel like I could learn more complicated subjects quite easily if presented to me in this fashion.... 😄
you guys are the best
Love your work guys! Amazing production quality. I did almost go for a 1882 2 Weeks ago at the Gunshop, but sadly it was already taken. Anyways I did go with 2 other swiss beautys (P210 and a 1929 Parabellum)
Keep up the good work! We love to watch your show here in Switzerland!
Nathan Bedford Forrest supposedly never lost a cavalry engagement he was involved in. One of the reasons for this, I've heard from several books and small documentaries, was that his unit used shotguns. Some captured Henry rifles (or copies maybe) as well.
Is that true, first of all, and if so, why didn't other cavalry units in more armies do the same?
thank you for being the newer better version of pbs and the history Channel
History and a sight in engineering of old firearms is different and educational.
This one is elegant in its design which is quite rare.
Big fan of Mae !
Regarding Mae’s comments on what term to call it that can mean “ornate” but still useful, I prefer calling something “kinetic artwork.”
I might not fully understand how this thing operates but i can appreciate its elegance and its ingenius design
Mae, hehehe gun go clicky.
Also I kinda love this firearm
Love the videos
Aw dammit. Have to watch tomorrow.
I was real close to buying one of those.
Can't wait for the Schmidt M1882!
Honestly that action system is about as simple as you could make a DA revolver. If it had a rapid load system like a break open or Abadie it would be my favorite revolver. That loading method is quite awkward looking.
Have to admit when I saw the wall of smoke coming out of the gun all I could think of was a bunch of Swiss Ninjas using these guns.
Life changing interact
What a weird time to drop this video,
But I’m here for it
I enjoy the period music!
The lack of good visuals in the shooting segment is made up for completely by that firing noise. That thump is so satisfying.
The t shirt is a nice touch for the episode.
Please make a Mauser family tree poster, I will 100% buy it
Wooooh! Swiss!
Damn it I want one. Just because I ❤history.
Weird that they didnt take a look at the Gasser during the trials in 1870.
Cool. I guess I understand the logic behind the auto ejector. In my mind you keep shooting until you get a click instead of a bang, then the pistol reverts to a "single shot" where you load then shoot then load again then shoot again, ad nauseam. Probably over-complicated for the benefit you get, but I can understand the line of thinking that gets you there.
Ah, for want of a simple Abadie!
The only metric where the Reichsrevolver had the clear advantage in this era would be in its usefulness as a blunt weapon.
Of course this strange shiny steam punk looking things from Switzerland lol
And when you fire it you get some concealment.
Every country is re-inventing the wheel!
I think this gun is absolutely beautiful. For its time I would have taken it over anything on the market.
Dear Lord the Innuendo in this video is Intense!!! 🤠👍
Is it just me or is the half-turn after loading not strictly necessary? I can see why you'd want to do it if the revolver's going to be carried for a while after loading, to keep the last loaded round from potentially falling out. However, in an immediate-fire situation it looks like the hand would rotate the cylinder into firing position, either when the hammer is cocked for single-action or during the trigger pull for double-action.
34:15 The satisfying feeling of a well knurled part is .. it's own reward.
The logical next step would have been the Rolex Perpetual Revolver. Pity that the Swiss were distracted by the market potential of upscale watchmaking.
MOAR HANDTRAP YES!