Hi Mike that type of filter has been used by Scania trucks since the early 70s as a teenager when we helped my father and uncle to service our scania 110 model and 140 v8 we would take out the centrifugal filter and dismantle it as it was made to disassemble and use a knife to lose that black stuff 😂😂, as that is the carbon to keep the engine oil at its best, love watching you Chanel as I have a 110 defender and have learnt a few things from you. All the best from Ireland
Never heard of a centrifugal oil filter before so there you go. Learn summit new everyday, and also learned not to bother trying to get into one! Quite effective certainly.
That reminds me i have to order a new one for my next service. As it takes a while here in australia. Love all your vids, you have been a big help with holding my landys together 👍
I'm a agricultural engineer in the UK some Massey Ferguson tractors have them for the gearbox filter and there designed to come apart just unscrew the head of the filter do a good job never had to replace one just give them a good clean also run a disco 2 td5 as my workhorse change oil and both filters every 5 thousand miles and use 5w40 not 30 better oil pressure keep up the good work
Made by the Glacier Filter company in Ilminister, Somerset. I used to be the Quality Manager at the launch of this filter, known as GF016. Glacier made a series of Bypass centrifugal filters in various sizes for Massey Fergusson, Scania , Renault trucks, Wartsila marine engines. Filter was invented by Glacier, working in bypass taking approx 10% of the oil, spinning in excess of 6000 rpm, the soot particles in the oil , less than 1 micron in size, are spun out into a cake, which on most variants can be removed and burnt.
I wasn't aware that the Beetle ever had one - I thought they always just had a gauze strainer. Certainly from the 60s on they just had a strainer. Edit: although from a quick google, it looks like Fiat 500s had centrifugal oil filters. I'd never even heard of centrifugal oil filters until watching this video!
I bought a cheap Fiat 500 donkeys years ago - had no oil pressure - got the engine out and found the core plug had come out of the crank! Hammered back in and a few punch marks to prevent it coming out again - problem solved! Flogged it pretty quick!
One of my first vehicles was a Honda K4 250cc bile , sorry bike ! Anyway it had a centrifuge oil filter that was spun on a shaft not conveniently mounted behind the clutch body . There was no other oil filter if I remember rightly , senile old git that I am ! You just changed the oil regularly and sang happy birthday . The filter I assume was a main dealer handled issue , but me and my mates did not trust , in other words could not afford , bike dealers so we learnt things ourselves . My oh my did that filter work , it needed a special tool to grip the castellated nut ( or a sawed up socket ) to remove , but you needed a stiff drink to get over what had been 'filtered ' out ! I reckon it would not take much effort to copy this idea as a modification . Another , much easier , quicker and less risky mod is to use magnets attached to your renewable oil filter . The downside is that magnets only attract ferrous particles , so no carbon chunks get caught . I remember a mate , who was very , very clever , not being able to replace his Triumph Midget oil filter . For ages he lay in the street in the rain cussing whilst failing to wind the new filter on . Yes , he had the old rubber seal left on the filter mounting ! Bloody hell John could drive that Midget though !
ive had a td5 defender for five year and not done any work on it yet everytime i put a battery on it it just starts and it sounds lovely i have a couple of 300 tdis which i love but i am deffo gonna put a td5 i have laying around into my daughters motor i am gonna build for her on a range rover classic chassis
Hi Mike, FYI on the Discovery TD5 they fit flat side down and the service intervals are every 12k miles/ 36k for the canister filter. Most owners do them more frequently. Always wondered what's inside. Regards from Shropsire UK
That reminded me of me poking around with a screwdriver. "Oh look, a hole. Oh another one, and another. Oh, were is that red liquid coming from. Oh b*ll*cks, where are the plasters.
The biggest issue is replacing the cap over the filter. The threads are notorious for stripping. I think the torque settings are c. 23nm. My TD5 has a M5x100 bolt and nut holding the cap in place as the threads were stripped by the previous owner (the RAF) and stuffed with Plumbers tape 😅
@BritannicaRestorations Thanks Mike. That is the plan....once I have fought my way to the Td5's reverse switch....removing the transmission tunnel cover so far I have had to drill out 3 screws, one fell apart when I touched it, one I hammered out and one actually unscrewed! Five more to go then I can look at me threads!
Blimey, I would never have thought just how effective they are. Be interesting to know how long it had been in. When I replace my filters I use a tin opener to check regular filter but never even thought about opening up the centrifugal one. Looks like I’ve been looking in the wrong place to judge how worn my engine is!
@@BritannicaRestorations Well you do go and spend your days working on the green oval! 🤣 Some video idea, can we have your take and thoughts on the Landrover brand demise by that company "3 letters not to be mentioned?" And that new "soldier" 4 wheel drive spin off? 👍
Looks like it does nothing. Never changed it on my Defender because I didn't know about it 😂 my engine ran flawlessly like a Rolex until I swapped it with a 440 HP LS engine and 6 speed. The guy who bought the engine told me about it so he bought it cheap 😅 he still has the engine and very happy with it in fact 😶
They get noisy as they get dirtier. You can normally tell how full they are by how long they carry on spinning after you shut the engine down. Rest your hand on the housing you can feel it spinning.
@@jasonboyes1 that was a brand new filter, I had two of them from JGS4x4, booth noisy, I fitted the old one and it was quiet. Ended up getting one from the local independant LR garage whihc was silent.
My head just got onto a crazy idea of retro fitting an oil filter to an LT77, I know there was a version with an oil cooler, so it could be fitted onto the ports for that? Would be interesting to see how much that would pic up.
They have been fitting them for decades to scania engines. When I worked for Scania sometimes when we stripped them during service they hadn't been done for years and were almost full & totally blocked. Most times tho the carbon was only about 3/8" thick.
@@jasonboyes1 As you know they do need to be serviced however, this is minimal down time and no expense, just time. Centrifugal oil filtration is universal on big marine power plants.
This production is WAY, WAY, WAY over do! Centrifuges have been around for many many decades and yet we, the consumer, get very little information and essentially no marketing of the product. I'm looking for one for my 2015 Duramax, today I stopped by a performance diesel shop and he had never heard of one. but locating the right spot is a challenge. None the less, it's going to happen. The Chinese system is around $200 USD's, The German and USA versions run about $500 and that's if you can find one for your vehicle. I'm looking at Diesel Craft, they utilize a small air pump to push the oil back into the case. Most use gravity flow and I'm a fan of this however, some vehicles don't allow for this because of the under hood congestion.
I just ordered this www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Risun-RG020-high-speed-micro-main_1600483931615.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.77135943zdCbQs just to have a look at how it could be retro fitted
Check your big ends, the oil pump wears out and big ends 4 and 5 go . Mine went at 180k, was sweet as a nut as well until I tried to pull a loaded trailer up hill. Didn't end well and cost me about a grand for a rebuild and that was doing it myself
Hi Mike that type of filter has been used by Scania trucks since the early 70s as a teenager when we helped my father and uncle to service our scania 110 model and 140 v8 we would take out the centrifugal filter and dismantle it as it was made to disassemble and use a knife to lose that black stuff 😂😂, as that is the carbon to keep the engine oil at its best, love watching you Chanel as I have a 110 defender and have learnt a few things from you. All the best from Ireland
Thank you!
Never heard of a centrifugal oil filter before so there you go. Learn summit new everyday, and also learned not to bother trying to get into one! Quite effective certainly.
That reminds me i have to order a new one for my next service. As it takes a while here in australia.
Love all your vids, you have been a big help with holding my landys together 👍
Cool, thanks
I'm a agricultural engineer in the UK some Massey Ferguson tractors have them for the gearbox filter and there designed to come apart just unscrew the head of the filter do a good job never had to replace one just give them a good clean also run a disco 2 td5 as my workhorse change oil and both filters every 5 thousand miles and use 5w40 not 30 better oil pressure keep up the good work
Zetor tractors had a centrifugal filter on the engine, I remember coming across one for the first time on a zetor 6911….
I think the original Beetle had them too
Made by the Glacier Filter company in Ilminister, Somerset. I used to be the Quality Manager at the launch of this filter, known as GF016. Glacier made a series of Bypass centrifugal filters in various sizes for Massey Fergusson, Scania , Renault trucks, Wartsila marine engines. Filter was invented by Glacier, working in bypass taking approx 10% of the oil, spinning in excess of 6000 rpm, the soot particles in the oil , less than 1 micron in size, are spun out into a cake, which on most variants can be removed and burnt.
Did you make them for the old Zetor tractors and early VW Beetle too as they had a similar system?
I wasn't aware that the Beetle ever had one - I thought they always just had a gauze strainer. Certainly from the 60s on they just had a strainer.
Edit: although from a quick google, it looks like Fiat 500s had centrifugal oil filters. I'd never even heard of centrifugal oil filters until watching this video!
I bought a cheap Fiat 500 donkeys years ago - had no oil pressure - got the engine out and found the core plug had come out of the crank! Hammered back in and a few punch marks to prevent it coming out again - problem solved!
Flogged it pretty quick!
One of my first vehicles was a Honda K4 250cc bile , sorry bike ! Anyway it had a centrifuge oil filter that was spun on a shaft not conveniently mounted behind the clutch body . There was no other oil filter if I remember rightly , senile old git that I am ! You just changed the oil regularly and sang happy birthday . The filter I assume was a main dealer handled issue , but me and my mates did not trust , in other words could not afford , bike dealers so we learnt things ourselves . My oh my did that filter work , it needed a special tool to grip the castellated nut ( or a sawed up socket ) to remove , but you needed a stiff drink to get over what had been 'filtered ' out ! I reckon it would not take much effort to copy this idea as a modification .
Another , much easier , quicker and less risky mod is to use magnets attached to your renewable oil filter .
The downside is that magnets only attract ferrous particles , so no carbon chunks get caught .
I remember a mate , who was very , very clever , not being able to replace his Triumph Midget oil filter .
For ages he lay in the street in the rain cussing whilst failing to wind the new filter on . Yes , he had the old rubber seal left on the filter mounting ! Bloody hell John could drive that Midget though !
The pre-filter centrifuge is a great idea! Gets all the gunk out!
ive had a td5 defender for five year and not done any work on it yet everytime i put a battery on it it just starts and it sounds lovely i have a couple of 300 tdis which i love but i am deffo gonna put a td5 i have laying around into my daughters motor i am gonna build for her on a range rover classic chassis
Hi Mike, FYI on the Discovery TD5 they fit flat side down and the service intervals are every 12k miles/ 36k for the canister filter. Most owners do them more frequently. Always wondered what's inside.
Regards from Shropsire UK
Cool, thanks
That reminded me of me poking around with a screwdriver.
"Oh look, a hole. Oh another one, and another.
Oh, were is that red liquid coming from.
Oh b*ll*cks, where are the plasters.
The biggest issue is replacing the cap over the filter. The threads are notorious for stripping. I think the torque settings are c. 23nm. My TD5 has a M5x100 bolt and nut holding the cap in place as the threads were stripped by the previous owner (the RAF) and stuffed with Plumbers tape 😅
Yes they are rather small considering they are supposed to be removed frequently - maybe some helicoils will save the day?
@BritannicaRestorations Thanks Mike. That is the plan....once I have fought my way to the Td5's reverse switch....removing the transmission tunnel cover so far I have had to drill out 3 screws, one fell apart when I touched it, one I hammered out and one actually unscrewed! Five more to go then I can look at me threads!
All part of the fun!
Blimey, I would never have thought just how effective they are. Be interesting to know how long it had been in.
When I replace my filters I use a tin opener to check regular filter but never even thought about opening up the centrifugal one. Looks like I’ve been looking in the wrong place to judge how worn my engine is!
TD5 in Canada? 🤩 Happy Friday Mike 😀
I wish!
@@BritannicaRestorations Well you do go and spend your days working on the green oval! 🤣 Some video idea, can we have your take and thoughts on the Landrover brand demise by that company "3 letters not to be mentioned?" And that new "soldier" 4 wheel drive spin off? 👍
Any idea on how fast it spins ?
If you cant hear them spinning down, time to change.
Usually every second oil and filter change.
by removing the soot particles, which cannot be removed by normal oil filters, the life of the engine oil is greatly increased.
And this shit is more expensive then the other filters which is using on TD5.!
Looks like it does nothing. Never changed it on my Defender because I didn't know about it 😂 my engine ran flawlessly like a Rolex until I swapped it with a 440 HP LS engine and 6 speed. The guy who bought the engine told me about it so he bought it cheap 😅 he still has the engine and very happy with it in fact 😶
And they ,ake a cool noise when you turn the engine off, and they spin down.
I have replaced some of these and some have been really noisy.
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They get noisy as they get dirtier. You can normally tell how full they are by how long they carry on spinning after you shut the engine down. Rest your hand on the housing you can feel it spinning.
@@jasonboyes1 that was a brand new filter, I had two of them from JGS4x4, booth noisy, I fitted the old one and it was quiet. Ended up getting one from the local independant LR garage whihc was silent.
Must of been out of balance. The Scania ones simply strip down you clean them then re assemble and fit. 👍🏻
My head just got onto a crazy idea of retro fitting an oil filter to an LT77, I know there was a version with an oil cooler, so it could be fitted onto the ports for that? Would be interesting to see how much that would pic up.
Remote centrifugals do exist - I may buy one to test
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-OEM-RG020A-oil-centrifugal-filter_62106698948.html
scania do one on trucks which has a strip of paper which catches all crap there great
They have been fitting them for decades to scania engines. When I worked for Scania sometimes when we stripped them during service they hadn't been done for years and were almost full & totally blocked. Most times tho the carbon was only about 3/8" thick.
@@jasonboyes1 As you know they do need to be serviced however, this is minimal down time and no expense, just time. Centrifugal oil filtration is universal on big marine power plants.
This production is WAY, WAY, WAY over do! Centrifuges have been around for many many decades and yet we, the consumer, get very little information and essentially no marketing of the product. I'm looking for one for my 2015 Duramax, today I stopped by a performance diesel shop and he had never heard of one. but locating the right spot is a challenge. None the less, it's going to happen. The Chinese system is around $200 USD's, The German and USA versions run about $500 and that's if you can find one for your vehicle. I'm looking at Diesel Craft, they utilize a small air pump to push the oil back into the case. Most use gravity flow and I'm a fan of this however, some vehicles don't allow for this because of the under hood congestion.
I just ordered this
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Risun-RG020-high-speed-micro-main_1600483931615.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.77135943zdCbQs
just to have a look at how it could be retro fitted
We have a td5, 230k on it…..sweet as a nut
Check your big ends, the oil pump wears out and big ends 4 and 5 go . Mine went at 180k, was sweet as a nut as well until I tried to pull a loaded trailer up hill. Didn't end well and cost me about a grand for a rebuild and that was doing it myself