Natsuiro Matsuri talks about love rules at Hololive, and her own ideal type [Eng Sub]
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- Natsuiro Matsuri talks about rules for Hololive Vtubers regarding love and relationships, and shares what her ideal partner would be like.
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Pinning some clarification up here for visibility as theres a raging debate going on in the comments. Matsuri's literal words referring to Hololive's "love ban" rule, is related to 社員/会社の人 (Employee/person form the company). While technically Holomem are under contract and "of the company" context is everything, and Matsuri brought it up to crush her fan's hopes of joining the company wanting to date her.
If I'm not mistaken, this Hololive rule came about around the time of the whole Mel incident, and is there to protect the talents from Cover staff itself, not other talents, and to avoid the Mel situation from happening again.
Are you talking about the harassment incident?
I'm not a super weeb but I do watch a few vtubers, who's Mel and what happened?
@@SlainByTheWire Mel is a Yozora Mel, a vampire from 1st Gen. She was viciously stalked and harassed by a former manager. The police got involved and the case was settled ouf of court. Cover changed a lot of policies and even paid for all of Mel's moving expenses.
@@SlainByTheWire Yozora Mel is another Hololive Vtuber from 1st gen. Someone stalked her for a while, I do not know if it was an employee from Hololive but that is what I've heard the most. She was on hiatus for a while trying to sort it out and she eventually did as she is still with us!
"Matsuri brought it up to crush her fan's hopes of joining the company wanting to date her." Say it again for the weebs in the back please!
Fun fact, that rule was created as all the hololive members tried to date best-girl Yagoo.
Source: Trust me bro
that actually makes sense
I would argue with you but it looks like the source is valid
I just searched up "yagoo" and all that came up was a guy who is the CEO of hololive,so am I wrong?
@@lethimdohisworkforyou1177 Yagoo is besht gurl
@@sharkydoko3593 So am I right or wrong?
“if they say let’s climb a mountain, I don’t think i’d be up for that”
Hikers: DAMMIT!
So, in other words, mountain climbers can go take a hike...
@@alexandercry5585definitely worse than not able to date matsuri
Mountain climbers would prefer Noel anyway. If you know what i mean
@@Natsuke1104 gotta climb thosw boing boings, i guess
@@alexandercry5585 good one
“Your one chance is a no-chance.” So, you’re saying... there’s a chance?!
When I read this, it immediately was voiced by Jim Carrey in my head.
@@CG-hf2cd is there anybody else fit for the job?
I can see Lloyd's big happy smile right now.
👀
Dran, I know your translations arent technically wrong, but I see this causing a huge misunderstanding in the comments. What Matsuri talked about here were specifically "employees of Hololive" not being allowed to date the talents. This is refering to the staff, not other Vtubers within the company.
The entire point of the line was that if someone was trying to be hired at Hololive or become a manager just to hit on their oshi, it wouldnt be allowed.
It's not your fault, but it would probably help if you clarified this in some way.
"Type?"
Definitely Hoshikawa. Hoshikawa. She's going to say Hoshikawa.
"Don't really have one... indoors?"
Errr, nevermind. No idea!
Actually, she also asked chat who would be okay for her to marry... Chat suggested Hoshikawa. She said, “Okay, maybe Ill marry her, then! Though maybe she may not be too keen on that.“
@@DranCh Months of loneliness and "menhera" after moving out on her own and falling hard for Hoshikawa summed up in the most innocent sounding of sentences.
it's me ngl
Luna is a pretty big shutin at least lol. Id say pekora but that would be a miserable existance for the shy and timid rabbit.
@@DranCh if my jp wasn't wrong, earlier she asked the chat to get married lol
It was during what kind of Matsuri's stream that the chat liked
Thats actually quite surprising. The obsessed fans will go wild from it but I'm glad that they're not restricted in that aspect as well. I just wish they'll be happy working as a Vtuber, as an idol.
yeah, can't wait for the time when those fanatic fans realized that their idol already have a bf
Finally an idol that can have a normal life
@@blackpepper2610 Those "Idol golden rules" era has slowly disappear, some peoples already knows this girls will have their own couple. Many ex idol member from real life group has their own bf rn, and yet their fans still support them.
@@hotkokoa Sure, that's why Towa had to take time off, apologize, and endure constant hate spam because there was a male voice on her stream one time.
@@hotkokoa this brings peace to my life, finally the humanity understands that what is behind such blessed entertainment is also human
The dislikes are from mountain climbers.
Nah, I liked it
Sad Hiker Dance...
Ah the classic you can't have relationship in workplace
ok
well, classic one but still relatable now.
some company still has that rules.
Dating within the team creates lots of issues.
@@OxygenC2 especially if they have a quarrel. It's like watching a drama show live
@@OxygenC2 Especially if one party is a superior to the other, it creates unbalanced power dynamic as well as causes nepotism
Besides, even if they do start dating someone, unless there's a snitch or they had a slip of the tongue, no one will ever know anyway. They're, at the end of the day, just using an avatar, and I think that that's wonderful
@@cikame lol same
Welp as long as entertainment exist in this both company and community we are happy hehe
For real. I've never understood the people that think there are "idol" rules in Hololive. I'm not even talking about the "idol fans" which is another thing but just regular fans who actually think they aren't allowed to be in relationships.
@@cikame that sounds like you need to work on yourself and not get sad about others
Assuming you're not just being melodramatic, it sounds like you actually might just be depressed
Although it would be kind of awkward if their boyfriend/girlfriend recognizes their voice...
"Hey, there's this one Hololive Vtuber that sounds JUST like you! Crazy, huh?"
"Haha, yeah, super crazy! [awkward laughing]"
Basically
Vtuver x vtuber (okakoro): possible
Vtuber x staff or manager :impossible
Vtuber x lovecraftian eldritch god?
@@ronggurabrahamsimanjuntak5538 maybe that works kusa
@@ronggurabrahamsimanjuntak5538 I don't think AO-chan has any real interest in dating... I also think they're basically permanently attached to Ina
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 uhh, i'm talking about literal lovecraftian eldritch god. Like, I think Matsuri would get along pretty well with Shub-Niggurath.
@@ronggurabrahamsimanjuntak5538 wwwwwwwwww
So Vtuber x Vtuber is fine? The whole company support NoeFure 😹😹😹😹
Me being here supporting MariRushi :sip:
but she said any fellow employees cant date so that means holo members. so there goes that noel/flare thing was never real. any of em. lol
I believe she mainly meant the staff. Relationships between people in different places in the company might cause a weird power dynamic that's problematic not just for them but also for the company. Vtubers are however on the same level, so that's less likely to create an issue.
Well, considering that Flare has stated in a stream that she doesn't consider Noel as a friend, but instead as a lover, I'd say that the rule very likely only applies for staff.
@CUTE ONION oh really?
Matsuri is honestly the best person to talk about this sort of stuff, a lot of people seem to forget the "Hololive is an 'idol' company" is a joke for a reason. their rules are incredibly lax in the best way possible
(why else would multiple ex honest-to-goodness idols join after retiring?)
It’s disappointing that some forget that it’s a joke when it’s so blatantly obvious
@@Squidward-jv7go i honestly think it's to do with the massive influx of fans because of HoloEN, they just don't know how well Hololive treats it's employees and talents. (especially for a japanese entertainment company)
People be making the most wild accusation about Hololive when they are actually pretty lax about things to an extent. It's like none of them watch any of the girls. There is a reason why the girls say they are always happy about joining Hololive. If their rules were very restrictive, we would see a lot of them leaving.
@@yokai1215 They're just watching some clips so they don't know lol
@@yokai1215 it's to be expected that people don't know the lax restrictions on them, they're the same people who spout "Yagoo dream dead" when they know nothing about AKB48 and that idols having to be "seiso" was almost 30 years, the same people who just say that marine is just horny or Matsuri ain't seiso, they just watch the popular clips and just don't go deeper.
me: matsuri's type would be the complete opposite of me
matsuri: an indoor person would be nice
me: *survival of the fittest*
Please change your name. I can't scroll the easy way. Please, I am shaking and crying.
more like *least fittest*
@@Ole_Rasmussen Towa should learn from this guy
Her type happens to be 99% of her viewerbase. What a surprise, lol
God: "Do Vtubers have strict rules? We have none"
Haato: _Haachama chama~_
So sad her content got nuked. They should have restricted it into 18+ instead.
To be fair, that was on youtube's side
@@animaker9 I thought Cover themselves took it down because of fear of TH-cam, ToS and all.
@@retrictumrectus1010 Cover did it themselves because if they waited for Haachama to get in trouble with TH-cam, it could be too late. A Vtuber's channel getting nuked is basically a career-ending blow because of the loss of subs/monetization, and making a new channel would be considered ban evasion. (It's for the same reason that Mio was on break for so much of 2020 after Capcom struck her channel twice, they wanted the strikes to expire before they could hit her with a third.)
Y'all, all of Haachama's lore vids are back. Whatever kind of problems those videos had before must've been solved.
Matsuri: My type is a fun, indoors, and someone who could go alone.
Me: On my way to read "how to be a fun person" and "how to go outside."
How about "How to endure the air outside of my room?"? lol
@@imerremi973 "how to face the sun and the moon"
"how to speak with wamen"
Welp, I'm sorry Amelia's 1st apostle. Seems like your dream won't come true...
Why 3st and not 3rd? Is it a big brain pub? (as in "thirst")
Oof
@@dariogutierrez6716 t h i r d s t
@@dariogutierrez6716 bcuz he is 3stty for the girls......(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
@sen touji funi
I wonder if people are going to come back to this clip after what happened Yesterday but i can say something with ease : warning shots were fired 10 months in advance.
lol
I've been out of the loop for a few months (fell down a FF14 Endwalker hole :P), what happened yesterday?
@@DranCh A holomember might have a bf ( i say might because it's unconfirmed as of writing this comments and the person is probably just a roomate she's very close to) and some hardcore gachikois are losing their shit over it (about 5% of said holomem fans are making drama over it)..
@@pierreyann1 Ahhh, the dark side of Idol gachikois. Over the "possibility" of a relationship, no less! xD Some things never change.
@@pierreyann1 I'm leaving this unnecessary looong, poorly written wall of texts here since people that may come check this clip can get a clearer context😕
Mafumafu, the guy's already been a famous Utaite (Japanese online celebs who mostly do cover songs) that known to attract so many female fans and being nice to all of them regardless, while said Holomem, well, Rushia, personally has been a fan of him for almost 10 years and often shows affection for him online. it seems she's the one who might've felt more passionate about it. Whether they actually date or not, it must've been felt disastrous how her personal emotion was just so happened to be accidently "exposed" like this, especially around days before the Valentine's Day. She even wrote a tweet saying she's in a deep desperation and can't decide what to do anymore. (and deleted it later)
The news quickly gotten on trend and now she's getting a huge amount of blatant hate and support from each sides of their fandoms. The way I see it, unlike the popular belief that only bringing up the "hardcore idol gachikois" of her, most of them simply victimized themselves and walked away, as in, no more support on money and enthusiasm wise. ("Unicorn" is the best example of a term to describe how they behave that heavily rooted in Idol/celeb culture.) The bigger trouble really is mostly coming from the obsessive, angry fans of him that accusing her for how she's at fault for causing the drama. (They despise Vtuber and its fandom in general as well, much similar to how some fans of irl celebs feel towards anime and nerdy stuff) They're insulting not only Rushia, but other Holomems who openly wished her well. Mafumafu had to come out and make the situation clear himself that they're not in fact in a relationship, but it didn't help much. At least Cover corp is now being supportive of her (a few days late and indirectly, but still)
and like I said many of her fans are too. They made a hashtag #るしあ大好きだよ (WeLoveRushia) and it got #1 trend in Japanese Twitter. Overall, it's a bit more complex than to see it only as a war among "hololive fans", as opposed to some bandwagoners make it out to be.
(onward is purely my own opinion) it's ultimately up to Rushia for how she'll handle the situation when she gets better and comes back. I think clearing their relationship is the least important priority at this point. The bait is already there. A simple denying won't satisfy the cesspool of turned fans/antis/trolls and cynical outsiders whatsoever, as already proven by Mafumafu's case. She needs to stand up and make a clear point on distinction between fantasy and reality, the selling point of her GFE that is. The worst I can think of is she simply "apologizes" and cries for everything as expected without any further insight on the matter and causes the whole swarm to target her once again, but twice the hostility.
I genuinely believe this whole fiasco can lead up to somehow a positive result for the betterment of the industry and everyone in it in the end if handled right, but we'll see. All the more power to Rushia, holomems, and their fans💪
No dating your coworkers unless they’re fellow Vtubers... Perhaps this was Yagoo‘s goal all along
Matsuri Bless You Yagoo 🙏
It definitely has to do with power dynamics. Cause while the talents may be the voice(or proverbial face) of the company, those behind the scenes wield significantly more power.
Also, probably has to do with a specific situation that happened a while back.
@Polimorpheus it has nothing to do with hitomi chris tho
@@kiggerst Literally does, that's kinda how her tenor ended before it started iirc.
@@casteanpreswyn7528 Yeh, think it's that and fair play.
@Polimorpheus thats actually not the situation I was talking about. Lol
Honestly, it's so nice to hear they're allowed to date and stuff. Watching and not being sure whether or not you're helping hold their love lives hostage just sucks. They should be able to attain happiness like everyone else.
You always translate the best stuff for hopeless romantics like myself, thank you.
Only allowed to date Vtubers out of of the company
One day a Hololive idol announces pregnancy
Yagoo: "We're introducing HoloBabies now."
A third member alongside Miko and Luna !
That means there's still a chance with best girl, a chance to date Yagoo.
I mean, he is married with kids so no.
@@FusionDjango i mean...
ntr exists...
he got a wife
@@129das I know man, its a joke.
@@FusionDjango That just sounds like a challenge
The simps who joined for Yagoo: The risks I took were calculated, but man am I bad at math.
Staff can date other staff, I guess.
Damn, I don’t want YAGOO to debut anymore…
Matsuri: i like people who are the indoor type and a shut in.
Me: allow me to introduce myself....
The problem with wanting another shut in is that there's no way to find them. I imagine appearing in Matsuri's house one day and asking her on a date wouldn't end in a date.
"Don't really have one... indoors?"
thats like every person watching
"...an indoor person would be nice!"
Ah, that explains everything. **Looks at Hikiko(Hime)mori Luna**
meanwhile a dragon is legally married to a gorilla
Hololive production: "no love between colleagues"
Kiara: *sad chicken noises*
Cover is different than many companies though, as there's a line drawn between members and staff. Relationships between staff can be problematic as there's a typical corporate hierarchy which can cause problematic power dynamics if love gets involved. Members are all technically equal in rank, so NoeFure would be okay for example.
I'm happy to hear that their members are given that freedom, though I'm a bit uncertain on what the best policy would be should one of them actually enter a relationship. Would it be something they have to keep a secret or would it be openly shared? Of course, there should be no obligation for them to share such details of their private life if they don't want to. But at the same time the potential repercussions for if it's kept secret and then found out could be much worse than if it were made clear from the start. I suppose it would be up to the individual member how much they plan to divulge.
“Theres no ban on love”: LEZ GOOOO
“Except with other members”: All hololive member ships become the Titanic
So, all ships will lead to Gura's hometown? Was it the masterplan all along?
@@renookami4651 The "getting Gura to return home via harem" plan has been initiated
You know, I'd been kind of afraid of the answer to this question ever since I got into watching Hololive. This answer+context puts my mind at ease. Thank you.
Damn, Yamagami Karuta is lucky she's in Nijisanji then with her thing going on with the staff lady.
I'm glad to hear this
people honestly don’t give cover enough credit in my opinion, it seems like a very positive place to work at and they truly try their best for all of them
They fucked up a lot, so it's not wierd to don't trust them.
Cover is better than most of other commpanies, but it's still a Japan corpo.
@@idrilek but a lot of their fuck up are outside their control's, mel incident and cocochama weren't exactly at the main fault of them (I'm still mad about the mel one, because cover couldn't possibly know a fucking staff member was gonna stalk her, It's not sorcery, they're not handing psychology test to each of their employees)
I do agree they are partly at fault for aloe tho
@Caio Coelho no, there's a context. Japanese law's do not take any kind of harassment or sexual stuff seriously. Cover needed concrete proof, aka caughting him in the act, most overseas knowledge of the situation is fucked because of language and cultural barrier
@Caio Coelho well the west is also like that, yvonne a twitch streamer has reported to the police about a stalker even with evidence, they stay they cant act until anything 'serious' happens, as in like harming
these situations suck because then itd be too late
@@goosechaser13 I have a feeling he wasn't actually a Cover employee either, just someone they worked with. Made it very difficult for them to do anything directly, though as they said later on they should have least hired her a lawyer.
I always like it when you use the talent's cover/originals in the outro to promote their songs, Dran. It's great!
I'm glad they don't have a rule against any romance outside. Work romance can make things complicated so I get that part. At least they are not super restricted like idols. Everyone needs some happiness and love I think.
The anonymity definitely helps here I imagine
@Caio Coelho why would you even be public about your relationship specially in a country that puts privacy first? Hell even famous youtubers and actors don't want their relationships being public. This is not about being an idol it's about putting boundaries for your work life and personal life.
@Caio Coelho Talking about your parents is a lot less invasive than talking about their public life. Not sure why you're under the assumption that they're just itching to tell thousands of random people online details about their private personal life, and when they're not in character.
Honestly idc if they have a relationship with other people if they are happy I'm also happy for them
Okay the play is to join Hololive to get to know Matsuri, and then quit so that you can date. Genius.
Very interesting
It's really nice to see Vtubers able to have romance like a normal human being
So this is why Matsuri chose Hololive, so she can date Hoshikawa. Unlucky for Matsuri, Hoshikawa is not interested xD
It was more mainly to see her as an entertainer then a colleague, the whole "don't meet you're "Hero"" thing
Yeah, I find the level of interference present in the idol industry really disturbing. I'm glad those weird rules aren't being imposed on the hololive members
i hope some of them already have a bf or even married
"So she can date Hoshikawa" seems unrelated, and staff or "shain" does not normally refer to talents in any case.
@@MickLawification oh really? First time hearing this. Very interesting.
It's great that Hololive treats them like actual people and doesn't restrict their personal lives to that degree. The no workplace romance stuff makes a lot of sense too.
2:23
Boys, we have a chance
"I'm kind of a shut-in type"
95% of Chat: **Raises Hand**
That's what I love about Hololive, Yagoo branded them as an Idol agency. My first reaction was I thought they were gonna be more industrial and "manufactured entertainment"
And then you actually get in the rabbit hole and there's a dragon selling drugs. Coco brought me in, thanks kaicho.
A lot of people commenting on this video should have started with Coco, which would have given them enough of an ironic distance to know when it's fun to play along with yuri kayfabe, etc. and when it starts to become creepy to take jokes & acts in earnest
Thats all over already, new rules came and told all edgy stuff forbidden.
Just so you know, Hololive has never been an idol agency. The clip where Yagoo said that they are running a group similar to AKB was explaining how their VTubers would truly be a group instead of a series of independents like Kizuna Ai or Sora/Miko/Roboco. But of course, we like to meme on our best girls and it is funny.
Amazing information thanks
"Indoor person is nice"
*My time has come*
Honestly, good on Yagoo and Cover Corp. for not implementing that toxic "No dating EVER" rule that has plagued idol culture. Just because they're technically idols doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to be happy with someone
That means if you join Hololive as a vtuber, you can kiss your chances with A-chan good-bye. But the forbidden part makes it exciting though lol
Oh that's actually such a good single rule Cover Corp sounds great
"I'd prefer a shut-in"
Every Hololive viewer: *poggers*
I think matsuri trying to explain is that employees or staff not allowing to have a relationship with the talents but talents to talents relationship are allowed especially norefure
I think that's what matsuri says about
Can I still marry A-chan tho?
That's a lot less stringent than I was expecting. Though the rule against relationships with employees sounds like a pretty solid one
no love ban but viewers will hang vtubers for even the slightest chance they're in a relationship.
look at what happened to towa and mano aloe. and even chris. they might not ban it but i think for their safety they have to be extra careful with their personal relationships
@@srkares this, Towa's and Aloe's case are a perfect example of what can antis do if given enough "fuel" to shit on them. And regarding Chris, thats a whole lot different case that i will take infos about her with a lot grain of salts.
don't throw your arm out patting yourself on the back
Not to be mean but just because Hololive's Vtuber gets flamed for being in a relationship/speaking to a male be it co-worker or other wise doesn't mean it applys to all Vtubers
With Towa the case might indeed be about the boyfriend stuff, but with Aloe and especially Chris you couldn't be more wrong.
People got mad at Aloe because she talked about "taboo" topics like a Nijisanji vtuber's retirement and complaining about her former workplace. Antis saw her as 'someone who talks about things that shouldn't be talked about' and were concerned that she'd do the same to Hololive. Unfounded worries ofc, but yeah. TL;DR Aloe's case did involve hardcore idol fans but not the 'purist' faction.
With Chris it's even murkier coz Hololive itself won't say anything about her. From what I understand Chris's case involved bribes, blackmail, and a sex scandal. We will never know what the truth is but I'd like to think they honored her somewhat: Gen 1 was originally 6 members. The subsequent gens only had 5. Ideally they should've helped her, but doing that would've likely sunk them.
Disclaimer: These are things I found out by being a curious SOB. I might be wrong.
Chris did something criminal that why she was fired. Aloe leaked her own info and got on the bad side of haters she left Hololive for her own mental well being, anyone similar to Aloe case be Coco but Coco is a lot stronger.
0:05 she said utanooneesan utanooniisan.
``Singing brothers and sisters'' are not ordinary singers, but teachers in educational programs for children on NHK, Japan's public broadcaster. Marriage and childbirth are not prohibited either.
The fact that there is no strict love in Vtuber is kinda good, but when some of fans know that their idol already have a boyfriend/husband then make them stop simping and hate the idol is kinda sucks man...
hating is not good. but you should stop simping whether they have bf or not
It's way worse than that, they harass the girls to the point of make them hate themself.. Don't forget the Towa incident
@@FedeRama Towa's accident was not because they thought he could be a boyfriend, it was because he blamed the hololive staff, he lied to save himself from something, the fans do not like lies.
*Kiara joined the chat*
"No love between employees."
NoeFlare, ShishiLamy, TakaMori: "We didn't hear that."
Okakoro: *intensive teetee moment in the distance*
and Ollie collection of wives
Between staff and talent. Management actually ships NoeFure and Takamori lol
Every shut-in in the chat: POGGERS!!!!
-Idols don't date. Love is forbidden.
-Hololive employees don't date.
..You get what I'm trying to say?
Hololive employees = Idol
so, hololive is an actual idol group?
@@zhjck7401 the management is the idol group
"Someone who's like 'Let's go to an event!' is fine. But if they say 'Let's climb a mountain!', I don't think I'd be up for that." - Matsuri
Bless Matsuri. that's exactly how I feel. Even though I always knew there were women that are also indoorsy, its nice to hear one express this.
Everybody is all happy that the VTubers can date, but don't you see how tragic this truly is? Yagoo had to make the biggest sacrifice. He created anime girls for us, but he could not obtain them for himself. Rest in peace Yagoo, you will go down as a lonely legend
Noah led his people to the promised land, but could not enter it himself.
@@draconite Indeed. We must remember the sacrifice he made, and love him forever for it
It's nice that they can have normal private lives unlike regular idols.
I don't care who she marries as long as she is happy, but what I do care is, HoloBabies
We already got 2 babies the elite and the princess
When you think about it. It basically similar to how some jobs "doesn't allow dating between employees".
"You cant date someone from the company"
Kiara the next day: i resign from the job.
That's good, I'm glad they aren't held back so harshly
"No love within co-workers"
Marine: sexual harrasment it is then
Matsuri : "You can't get into a relationship with colleagues apparently."
Me : *Goes to Hololive and applies so I can stop my delusions*
Yamagami Karuta be like: glad I'm not in hololive
Edit: EXCUSE ME, TH-cam WTF?! U GIVE 1 NOTIF FOR 24 LIKES SMH MAN. I WOULD BE SO EFFING HAPPY IF I GOT 24 LIKES
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Imagine being able to believe in something like love
Matsuri: You can't date a fellow employee!
NoeFure: I'll pretend I didn't see that.
Oh that Yuri couple ? Cover maybe considering this as joke and just ingnoring but in reality they real Yuri couple !
Noel said the talents can't have relationship with manager/staff so it doesn't really apply between streamers.
I almost couldn’t read the subs because I was so horrified that she walked forward when planting the crops instead of backward. Honestly I almost had a panic attack.
lol i feel you, but they changed crops a while back to only get destroyed if you run/jump iirc
@@Zades145 yeah but she missed some of them. If she had just walked backwards to plant them she wouldn’t have missed any 😫
I'm actually surprise that a lot of people thinks all of them are single where there are 4 people married and 1 with children in hololive, i mean you cant really take that freedom for them they are them outside their Avatars and even before becoming a vtuber they might already be in a relationship
Who're the ones married and with children?
@@NeonSwaglordChen im pretty sure the "no waifu only friends" one is married, the rest of your question is trivial and is left as an exercise for the reader.
@@TheRiquelmeONE That's nice to hear
I dont really want to say who because thats a private matter but if you watch all of hololive ark streams you'll know who slip and say about having a children, but i think its already deleted
Hikers: I know what I must do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it
Love is forbidden, but teasing and business yuri is fine. Yepo, standard stuff.
Thank you YAGOO
I think this means there's no written rules about it but like JP idol culture "unwritten rules" probably still apply. I mean someone got suspended before because there's a voice from a guy in the stream no? You would also notice most of the time when they tell stories like they went to the doctor they will specifically say the doctor is female.
This is where different cultures really show, I doubt it would affect overseas fans much if they enter a relationship but their popularity would prolly plummet in JP~
idol culture is really scary though, like there a clip of matsuri explain that she need to convince the management to let hololive join in Apex tournament because the risk of male player joining too
Your example is a bit more nuanced that you realize....
Technically the suspension you're talking about was because the Hololive talent (I don't want to name names) in question claimed the voice was Cover staff and it got out that it wasn't. So Cover had to apologize and lost face (as the talent was pretty new at the time and has just debuted). ... Of course part of the reason the talent felt the need to act as they hey did was because of the unwritten rules about idols that you're describing. They lost JP viewers out of the gate (though I believe have recovered since...), but saw growth from overseas viewers. (Who rallied to support them)
@@thegenregeek Ehhhh, My entire point is if it's not against the rules there wouldn't have been a need to explain in the first place. Whatever said talent (let's not name names) did is wrong or not isn't really something i want to touch on. I mean we agree for the most part but do you really believe the reason the talent was suspended or almost "cancelled" by JP bros was because she lied about who the voice belonged to? If so, let's just agree to disagree there as I believe no matter what she said then, JP fans would have been enraged. I live near Japan and I go there like 2-3 times a year and I have to tell you the Idol culture there is like a religion haha
@@muhammadamarzarkafar2216 omg it is! Hololive idols are somewhat lucky majority of the fanbase doesn't know their face because other idols can't even really go out with any male friends at all!
A lot of people need to watch this clip specially with the recent incident
oh yeah? 🤭
I can understand the no love allowed to employees since... That's not a good sign for others and they will spread lies about it. Unrelated but what about the time that Towa got suspended for having a malw voice being hear at the background? Most people thought she had a boyfriend and got mad which lead to her apologzing. I question if there are really no restrictions. Because i hope they are not restricted to love because if that makes them Hapoy then im happy. An idol is someone to admired to someone to be owned. Though, even if they did get in a relationship i am pretty sure they will avoid announcing it.
Edit: now I've think about it, they probably didn't suspend towa because of that but just to calm things down. Because of that suspension, she had way more loyal fans that actually cared for her. So basically the suspension thing worked out for Towa.
People often misunderstand what actually happened with Towa back then. She lied about the guy on the stream being a Hololive staff member, because she panicked. She had to apologize for that and was suspended for a short time. The manbabies getting angry that she interacts with men are irrelevant.
@@yoursonisold8743 Towa (and Luna) also had hate mobs because of their previous lives
don't throw your arm out patting yourself on the back
Towa did gain a large EN following because that. It less that she gained a lot of her JP following leaving but the overseas stayed because of that for a time he EN following may have been larger then JP for a time. Have an active EN chat made more overseas viewers show up as they felt included that how her Overseas following grew so much.
I be admiss to not admit Towa's JP viewer base has regrown sense but that time nearly a year ago was a interesting time.
The company relationship thing makes sense. It happened to Hololive in a way with Hitomi Chris.
Idk why people think hololive works like your average idol company. What yagoo said back then was that he wants to created a company for those who dream of becoming an idol witout the "restriction" of entertainment bussiness (good face, good personalities, showing up your personal life).
Basically they can be idol with the personalities which they've chosen, without revealing their personal life. That's why people respect the boundaries between the current them and whatever previous activities they did. Whether they date, has a familly, or whatev, doesn matter since you root for talent A that portray B character, not their real self. This is what we both agree when this whole things started.
This is also why you are an asshole if you go around tryana spread their previous activities. They want to be known for who they currently are not their previous one or their next one. You dont chase around your favorite artist/entertainer when they retired do you? Cause that's just borderline stalker and creppy.
Look at what happended to Mel after her debiut. Then you will know why. Cover is not better than any other entertainment company.
@@idrilek It is actually a proof that Cover is better than any entertainment company. They made bad choices (mostly because they were totally newbies in the entertainment scene) but they learn from the mistakes.
Look what happened after the Mel situation. Cover covered all the costs Mel got. No other entertainment company is willing to burn their profits into ashes for a single talent, when they can just dispose her.
@@retrictumrectus1010 They did that same thing with Aloe and Coco.
When one of their talens get into trouble they just send her on leave, hoping that problem will go away. It work with Aloe, problem disappered along with her
And they can't fire Coco, regardles if they want or not, or. This would crumble entire company.
I don't have any grudge against Cover, but i wonder why lot of people see them as some paradise company and will defend them regardles of context. Cover is not different than Ichikara or others companies.
@@idrilek Isn't Aloe graduate because of some angry and toxic Nijisanji fans decided to doxxed and stalked her because she say something about Nijisanji/Ichikara. It's neither Aloe or Cover fault Aloe graduate, it's those tribalist Niji stan.
@@thegreatlord7930
Yes. That was main reason why she was attacked and other 5 gen girls wasn't (all 5 gen info was leaked).
Coved did jack shit to help her and send her for 2 weeks leave for dumbest reason. They did't fired her, but her leaving was very convenient for them (you don't wanna "idols" with tarnished reputation in this industry).
Cover isn't the bad one here, they just act like normal corpo would act, cut ties with "problematic" employee. But people acting like Cover is some amazing and flawless company.
tbh relieved they dont have any of those strict rules, because stuff like real idol companies is strict asf with their rules on love
glad cover is letting their talents have freedom in what they want to do for their private life.
I never thought they did but I thought they have a rule of not talking about it
I personally wouldn't mind if they actually have boyfriends (or girlfriends for Holostars); I'm not *delusional* as some people are. They're just 'idols' on the surface; I treat them like characters with voice actors that have their own personal lives.
This is just my personal opinion. No offence to anyone.
Have a nice day.
don't throw your arm out patting yourself on the back
@@MegaZeta
Sure.
@Finn Fire
Oh, okay..
I really love Hololive, and I just didn't like the toxic backlash like with Towa's and Aloe's incidents before..
These amazing men and women brings very good content to us while we're facing a challenging pandemic time; and I don't want them getting cancelled only because they have relationships IRL..
Anyways. These are just my thoughts; sorry 😣
Have a pleasant day..!
why can't holostars have boyfriends
They are not even idols. We just perceive them as idols because of Cover's "hololive idol project". They are merely vtubers, but they now do idol things too because of the idol project.
My dream of working in Hololive at the Fuji summit was shattered mercilessly
NoeFlare though?
Noefure is safe. Even the staffers ship them, most certainly.
That's generic Yuri bait. If u want something real, check outside Hololive (Crossick).
@@AlexStorm3 If you think Noefure are just bait at this point ... you clearly haven't been paying attention.
Noel deserves a good man
@@gdg586 why not woman?
Matsuri talking about her type:
Me watching her put potatos in the furnaces: nice
Matsuri just destroy those Nijisanji stans who always associating and accusing Hololive with Idol stuff, and always comparing the Hololive girls with Niji vtubers.
Meanwhile those same Nijisanji stans is also the one who harassing and attacking 2 of the Niji vtubers (Kuzuha & Mikoto) because they suspected that Kuzuha & Mikoto live together.😂😂😂
But the thing it happens even to overseas streamers idk if you remember lily and albert thing when people were very retared about it
Blame the fujoshis, according to the chan forums most of the hate comes from them Since they ship to kuzuha y Kanae.
There is a lot of chip het in nijisanji and nothing ever happened, like gundo and kanda.
The amount of applications for joining Nijisanji must have skyrocketed
Looks Like Noel, Flare, Coco, Kanata, Korone, and Okayu are breaking the rules......
They arent. These arent hard and fast rules and are generally meant more for "talent x staff" relationships and the like. For example a talent dating a manager is a huge conflict of interest and would be severely shunned.
@Jay Cars Sure Jay, whatever you say bucko
@@sopadumacacoumadelicia5 ...........
@@yoursonisold8743 LOL okay and more importantly, yuri kayfabe is for the fans
@@MegaZeta Sure Mega Zeta, whatever you say bucko
That completely full inventory hurts my soul
"She says they can't date someone from the company....but what she actually means is..." Honestly, I find the whole jumping through hoops of analyzing and deconstructing what she meant just so people could continue to ship the talent together to be a little bit, a lot, off putting. They're not characters in your fanfictions to use as you please.
The avatars maybe, but the people behind them no way. Even then it's pretty weird given how blurred the line between irl person and their digital persona can get.
80% of chat: dang it
So yagoo can't date hololive members?
"An indoor person would be nice"
Ronaldinho Gaúcho: "tão deixando a gente sonhar"
no hard rule but they know a solid chunk of their income is going down the drain the moment they announce a boyfriend
Matsuri BGM is so catchy
Just to reiterate: Hololive's contract does not include a love ban on ANYTHING. What Matsuri is talking about here is probably just a company policy. She seems to personally think that's how it should be handled, but we know that's not gonna stop anyone if it actually happens. The potential fallout of a breakup is a true risk, but in the end these are mostly anonymous talents. And if we are just talking about staff, then them dating amongst each other is probably just discouraged like at most work places. It is exceedingly rare for it to be an actual proper rule that can get you fired.
NoeFlare are clearly straddling a fine line and taking the precautions necessary, but their relationship is supported. Yagoo isnt some tyrant.
Noel and Flare are a kayfabe yuri act between two colleagues & friends, and you sound like you're off your meds. Like it's okay to play along with the fun pretend parts here but when you start trying to telepathically interpret things that aren't there it becomes genuinely sick
@@MegaZeta How many hundreds of times do people need to laugh at you until you understand that your bait ain't working? lol
@@yoursonisold8743 Probably as many times as you trying to push your "it's real!" narrative lmao. Get a fucking grip.
Who keep saying it's fake they mostly don't even watch their stream and don't know anything about them.
It's so sad people like to comment about things they don't know....
@@lalalala3203 You are sadly correct. These people probably saw a handful of clips and think they are immediately experts on the relationships between people that developed over almost 2 years now.
There is this thing with the human brain where you get huge endorphin rushes if you think you figured out a trick or a lie. This is why so many people here get off on the "It's all fake, I have seen through them!" narrative. As if people who actually watch Noel and Flare for a long time cant tell apart genuine feelings from some superficial romance play like MariRushi or Takamori.
They dont watch streams... and even when it comes to clips they probably only go for the superficial attention grabbing stuff. How many of these geniuses actually watched the Tamaki interview? I bet zero.
That's a good personal rule to follow even if it's not written anywhere. Dating coworkers, especially those you work closely with, is risky business.