Developing Mixed Voice, Distortion & Better Range For BARITONES & Lower Voices w/ Guest Ian Thornley
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When it comes to advanced singing techniques like mixed voice, distortion, grit and better range, it's best to go to the source and pick the brains of people who have actually achieved what you want to achieve!
Ian Thornley from Big Wreck has had a phenomenal career as a vocalist who's live range spans D2 - F#5 ...!!! And he uses that range with a dialed-in mixed voice and healthy, consistent vocal distortion!
Ian is a Baritone, someone with a naturally lower, thicker voice who can sing higher than most Tenors because he has learned to feel out different resonances and care for his voice in ways that encourages perpetual growth and discovery!
Join me as I learn how Ian has crafted a voice over the years that just keeps getting better (when other voices in similar styles seem to be getting worse)!
You'll learn some best practices for your own voice and pursuits in the process! - เพลง
Just noticed (and some of you did too... SORRY) that the audio cuts out from about 1:45 - 1:57... The rest of the video sounds fine. So sorry for that glitch! I was asking him in that section if there was ever a time when he felt like his voice was very limited, and he says "yes, mainly when I just wanted to be a guitar player and didn't experiment that much) Then we get back on track!
Great singer. Please can you tell what the first song in the video is before Albatross. I am listening to more and more of this and it's probably the first band, music and voice I have naturally connected with for a long time. As a guitarist that has always struggled with my voice, it's a huge thing and so glad you actually got him to chat to! Thank you
@@noreasonduo4960 that was Wolves on the Albatross album.
Find someone who looks at you like Chris looks at Ian. 😍
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Life goals 🥰
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Love to see Ian give props to Myles Kennedy. Myles is such a student of the voice. I’ve heard Kennedy often pump Thornley’s tires too. They obviously have a mutual respect for each other and are both fantastic top tier rock vocalists. Would be great to see/hear a collaboration some day!👍
This is good content, hope it goes up to a million and it reaches out all my broritones out there. After I found my mixed I no longer feel the need to be a tenor really.
RIGHT!!?! You have the girth and the range once you figure out mix as a baritone!
That’s very reassuring. I think I’m still trapped in the phase where I can hit the notes (for the most part), but it tends to fall apart when I try to actually articulate some by adding the consonants. Did you experience similar? Is this common, for the notes first to be accessed, then the ability to flesh it out and turn it into actual words coming much later down the line? I’m guessing it breaks down to part coordination, part strength?
Oh damn -- recorded my band's first record right underneath Ian's practice space in TO. Wish I could have had his vocal tips then since I had no actual clue in hell what I was doing .
You know what Chris? I think Chris Cornell would have given you an interview also if he was still here. This is golden content!
I can't describe how excited I was when I seen this thumbnail 😁🤘
Hooollllyyy shiiiiiiiiit. This is amazing! Been a huge Big Wreck/Thornley fan since the 90's. Can't wait to check this one out. His vocal style has so much texture. Cheers Chris!
Thanks for watching and being excited about it!! :) I can't believe I got to talk with him!
Such a killer conversation with helpful tips for us baritones! Way to go, Chris! Maybe Ian can hook you up with Myles to interview him next. 🤞🏼 I’ve seen him do a couple in depth interviews about his approach to singing and think you could get a lot out of him.
This is great, Ian is a big guitar and voice influence. One of the best singers in music right now.
This was absolutely glorious!!! I am now going to apply Ian's pursuit of CLEAN vocals first, and than add heat to curtain parts!
HOLY SHIT!!!! NO WAYYYYYY! THORNLEY
YESSSSSSSS
Great singer. Really has that Chris Cornell vibe and sound to his voice. It took me awhile to get comfortable sounding like an idiot. Great stuff.
This was so cool! I hope this trend continues with your channel. I love getting to hear the sides of people we've all looked up to. It seems like a lot of times they don't get a chance to get too technical about their voice and platforms like this give them that chance. I'm deeply grateful for this. Not gonna lie I was straight up giddy the whole way through. Thanks!
Some of the best insights a singer can hear. Your voice is your voice.
I came across them 3 days ago.... I am soaking them up. Downloading all. At 55 never heard of them.
Oh my god, you actually did it you legend
I notice that you can see when you find something he mentions that you really want to talk about and I really appreciate that you let him finish what he was saying before you go into it. This video was very informative and I love getting the raw process of how he became a great singer. It feels very motivating to see how normal it was. One nit pick, I don't understand why baritones are often referred to as a "low voice". As an example, you can be called a baritone if your lowest note is a G2 but as a low bass, G2 is my speaking voice and I can go at least an octave lower. I would love something similar with an actual low voice
My favorite videos of yours have of course been of my favorite singers. Two of them being Ian and Myles. Thank you so much for this Chris!! I loved the unique questions you asked that I've never heard him talk about, and as always, your enthusiasm and passion for the art of this craft! I hope you get to interview Myles next!
It'd be great to have Myles on!
Have been a fan for a long time, saw him live a few years ago, great performance.
That's crazy he was confident they'd find a singer for all the music he was writing. I've been waiting 28 years and I've finally come to the conclusion I just have to do it myself.
Omg I have been WAITING for this one!
This guy has a killer voice
One of my favorite vocalists of all time!
Should hear it live!
Just wanna say that I find these videos really helpful! I’ve been sitting around making music on my own for about 2 years now. I’m a guitarist and that’s what I really want to be within a band, but I’m pushing 30 and finding band members these days is merely impossible. Your content has encouraged me to start singing on my songs, even though I’m still self conscious about my voice.
Thank you Chris! Keep doing what you do!
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have wanted this for so long. Huge Ian fan. Oh, Ian goes for it live vocally but he seems to pick and choose where he spends that vocal budget. He is amazing.
That guy is a very interesting guitar player as well.
Strive for authenticity!!! That’s the biggest message of this video!!!! Thanks Chris for giving us the chance to hear this pearl from one of the greatest vocalist of all time!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Ian, you are a true Artist 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
IAAAAAN ON THE SHOWW!!! WOOHOO!!
Ian Thornley is one of my all time musical heroes, you must be so pumped to pick his brain. Great content, thanks a lot Chris. 🤘🏻
Thanks so much for this. Ian, to my eye (ear), is just such an incredible songwriter, guitarist, and vocalist. This was a real treat.
Great interview! 😊
Its sad to see there's just 9.8k views (until now). This is certainly your most accurate videos for us who have a lower tone and didn't developed our voice because of that.
Thank you chris. I hope you remake this video idea one day
That was really great Chris! It’s a side of Ian that is rarely discussed! Now on to Beato for an exploration of the songwriting prowess! Thank you!
This is great. Been a bass/baritone thinking I could never do things like this. At least now I have hope that maybe I can!
Good Video 👌. Thank You For Uploading this Chris! 🙏👨🏫👨🎤
Thx for this!!!! Great
Great conversation. Chris you made some amazing points for all singers!
Thanks for watching Jamie!
Great content as always Chris!
Appreciate it!
Great content, master! I would never achieve distortion and mixed voice without your advice. Ever think of making a video for warm ups focused on mixed voice?
Omg omg omg omg!
17:20 hes talking like F#5 right? He hits those during the song Diggin' In. And thats about the highest I can do, stretching. Haha. Thats actually his highest recorded note.
YEP!! He is a beast!!
As a person who was gotten into music much later than most (early 20's), I can"t help but be demoralized by people of seeming godly gifts and talent like this guy. It's unfathomable to me how anyone could sound as good as he did from the start without even knowing anything about vocals just by having a strong musical background and upbringing... However I stay motivated and grinding nonetheless, learning what I can from this video!
Practice, practice, practice. The number of times you do something matters. The interesting thing about talent is, the harder you work and the more you practice, the more talented you become. Early 20s is the perfect time to learn to sing :)
@@officialWWM yes that is the plan, to overcome with work ethic!
@@kampybballer21 just don’t give up, you will be great!
It finally happened!
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Awesome great lnterview
great video! i reckon you should do a video on the part at 13:45 , how over use of voice or wrong techniques can change the timbre of your voice and strip you of range and technique in the long run. elton john and bono are both good examples of it, elton more from substance abuse and a surgery in the 80s but still interesting to compare his baritone opera sound today to his iconic early 70s twang, then bono who used to belt out high notes as loud as he could night after night and often with grit until the 90s, where he became more 'dry throat' sounding, and slowly lost his range thru the 2000s until 2009 it miraculously came back for the 360 tour, then disappeared again by the following tour along with his grit, vocal fry, falsetto etc and now sings very simply, some songs in lower keys and without as much power. of course age has a play in it all as well but then theres guys like steven tyler who still has the same timbre and all the technique as he always has and could sing everything in the same key until only very recently. would be cool to see a comparison video on this kinda thing with references on ways to maintain your timbre and sing easily with technique without losing it from improper support etc
How exactly whenever I need the particular information and Chris pops up at me right now?
Look at Chris Liepe with his big arms. So jacked
Thornley: Mix like Chris Cornell.
Also Thornley: "I don't like the way I sound."
Well I guess we got to get Myles on next ;)
I hope so!
Yeah 👏🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
This was fascinating. He finds hitting high notes clean more challenging than hitting them with distortion. At the same time, (if I understood correctly), sometimes people cut back on the distortion live compared to on the album to save their "vocal budget." It's so complex!
Is there any advantage to being a baritone in hard rock or metal? People don't sing low because it would get buried by the loud guitars and bass, right? The only guys I know of that sing low sing low are found in mellower music, like Johnny Cash, where he didn't have to be heard over a wall of Marshalls.
That does seem to be the common wisdom. However, with a smart setup and a good sound engineer, particularly with today's gear, a lower voice type should be able to be mixed and monitored well enough to cut through the jam. The easiest example I can think of is the dude from the band HIM, definitely a hard rock sound, but piercing low vocals that cut through the mix. It can be tough to avoid feedback, but if everybody's going digital and/or using in ear monitor systems you can get the low voice mic dialed in more easily than with the old fashioned "marshall stacks and wedges" approach.
@@nostringsattachedmusic What's the key to getting vocals like the vocalist from HIM to cut through the mix when recording?
Well, I must admit I'm not very knowledgeable about mixing, but I'm often in the studio when the engineers are doing their thing! My guess would be that the key concepts are good mic and preamp selection and clever EQ. Also I think that being clever about the choice of instruments could help. For example, sprinkly guitar sounds that come from Vox style amps, Ricks, and other semi-hollows will pair well against a lower voice. You don't want too many things competing for the same sonic space, right? Mind you I could be totally wrong here, but I've noticed that this balanced approach works in performance. If I'm singing in the lower register I go high with my chord voicings, this gives me some room to play in without getting nudged out by the honking mids.
Oh, and another thing, sometimes it might be less about mixing and more about composition. I was the low guy in my band back in the day with three singers. How to cut through? Just create space in the instrumentals during the verses, then fill it up with harmonies during the loud choruses! Here's a couple examples:
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PLEASE MAKE AN ANALYSES OF THE OFFSPRING- THE KIDS ARENT ALL RIGHT. (Its a song that i have hard times doing do "high parts")
Thanks!
First thing I said, when I heard him for the first time at the intro of the video, "Woah! Dude sounds like Cornell."
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Another good vocalist with these kind of vocals is Richie Kotzen. I always loved the way these guys sing.
It’s always strange as a soprano hearing the struggle of baritones/ basses wanting to sing like tenors. Sopranos often struggle to get the tones of altos, baritones, and grit. I find it’s better to find the best option to get the note you want in the mix, in my case it might mean doubling my vocal with a gritty acoustic violin, or playing the sustained midrange on guitar instead of singing it or using an octave effect. Another thing to consider is higher notes become irritating much faster, there are a lot of professional successful artists I prefer not to listen to because they seem to dwell in a frequency range that I find sufferable, I might even like the song but can’t bear to listen to it because of the key it’s in and their note selection 🤷♀️
Well, 99% of kick ass rock and roll is in the tenor range. Sure there are some outliers here and there. But the overall majority is tenor. Hence the quest of the baritone
Its a simple matter. Most famous rock and even pop songs are in the tenor range. It is what it is. In an ideal world that wouldnt be the case, but thats what we have in this one. I dont understand why some people get so puzzled, the reasons are very, very evident. Even in opera tenors are the most generally praised singers. Some people just don't want to be niche singers so they will try to adapt. Its the same reason so many people want to be conventionally attractive. Its the state where you will get more direct benefits, and unfortunately, no amount of good intentions and wishful thinking can change that.
Oh man... maybe? Axl Rose, Chris Cornell, Dio, Halford... THORNLEY!! All baritones, and pretty amazing!
@@chrisliepe they are baratones, but they sing in the "tenor range", which is awesome and proves it can be done
@@timothyvonvictory7105 Oh I see what you're saying... DEAD ON! Baritones singing in "tenor range" IS the key to kick ass rock!! :)
Great content. Stay a little flexible though and be mindful about about fixed ideas...... Some people really do well with exercises and actually enjoy them .... In the same way people can get rigid with classical approach to voice..... And don't explore and play..... You can get overly rigid against more traditional vocal conditioning approach. Which is actually fun and musical for some people.
estado hola,me parecen estupendos tus consejos. Te queria preguntar si las lecciones de voz gratuitas, pueden ser en español o son en ingles??? gracias
Learning how to mix is weird for baritones and lower. I think we get accustomed to singing super chesty and dark (a lot of us sing bass for vocal groups) and as a result we have a harder time understanding that you can thin out your voice up high and create a bridge between head and chest. It’s a process
Ian's speaking voice is very much like Chris Cornell's, so it's no wonder he shows similarities to him in his singing tone.
My vocal budget is often flat busted so I have arranged for a loan for a voice by arranging my songs also as solo guitar pieces. that way the bad sounds don't need to be made. The result is guitar parts that are far too difficult to sing along to and play accurately at the same time. I use synth string, flute and choir pads to back ground the noise floor (GR 20/ Mel 9). reverb, EQ, delay (slap back) Chorus. I'm a guitar guy but I get sucked into singing and end up sounding like cats being abused. You say that around 70 the male voice changes again? I'm almost there, I have wrestled the vocal Demond for many decades. I will just continue to struggle because if I don't get it by now I never will and if I stop trying I will just die.
Hey Chris. Since you are interviewing so many great singer/musicians can u do an interview with Jared Leto ? I'm pretty sure he would love to talk to you about his music journey. He has an interesting musical journey as a singer and his voice/scream evolution....
I'm sure this will happen 😉
I’d love to do that! But I can’t get a hold of him. That would be amazing though
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I said it once and I’ll say it again, best vocal coach on TH-cam. You helped me so much over the past year with my voice and my music. If your interested in my progress at all search my name up on Spotify. I’ve come along way since I came across Your videos so thank you
I couldn't find you on spotify by searching your name as it appears on this comment. Is there something different I should be searching?
@@chrisliepe did you look up “ breydon stout “ ?
@@breydonstoutarchive9860 Found it! :) Thanks for sharing!!
Of course, thank you for all the great tips and videos !!
Audio cuts off @ 1:45
1:45 to 1:57
so sorry about that... my bad! Check my pinned comment to see what was missed!
So a change in tone is indication you are switching from chest voice to head voice? I am cool with my tone until I hit about a C3 or so, then I start to sound kinda like a not good version of Axl Rose unless i use some distortion. Is there anything you suggest I look into to try to remedy this? I don't really know anything about chest voice, head voice, mixed voice. Thanks!
For what it's worth, my speaking voice is a lot deeper than Ian. Not sure if that changes anything.
It's really all about airflow and resonance targeting! Maybe you're ready for this? www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/the-aggressive-vocalist-s-master-plan-of-attack
@@chrisliepe thanks Chris. Just saw your comment. I'll check that out.
the audio is lost at like 1:44 to 2:00 for me... anyone else?
Ya, just saw that... sorry, the rest of the video is solid... see my pinned comment for what was missed :)
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