Extra curricular data (will go in Mega Charts update on the site!): For those interested in power consumption, the 5700X3D is about 82-86W in Blender all-core and 5800X3D is about 20W higher in all-core Blender. They draw closer in gaming. The power mostly shows differences from the frequency bump on the 5800X3D, so silicon quality is a lesser consideration compared to frequency. Use code "STAP" for 10% off the GN store while it lasts! store.gamersnexus.net/ We're almost sold out of our Limited Disappointment Tour PC T-shirts! Grab one while they're still around: store.gamersnexus.net/products/disappointment-pc-2023-heather Find our high-quality, durable soldering mat on the store: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-project-soldering-mat Learn about the AMD STAPM tests here: th-cam.com/video/MFzegmwHxPM/w-d-xo.html Learn about our CPU test methodology in our CPU Sample Size test, where we benchmarked 68 CPUs! th-cam.com/video/PUeZQ3pky-w/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for this. This was a massive concern of mine since I'm still in a Node 202 with its infamously terrible CPU cooling. Just further confirmed my decision to go with the 5700 instead of the 5800.
@@GamersNexus Not only my bet is, that the last golden piece in the AM4 mozaik will be an "5950 X3D" and then Lisa will allow this platform go to the deserved retirement 😎
8 months later this CPU is now $180, and the 5800X3D is nearly non-existent or priced near $400. It's hard to pass up the value of the 5700X3D at this point.
The 5800x3d has become so expensive now that is isnt even remotely viable anymore. I just bought a 5700x3d for 200 bucks. The other one goes for 400+, IF it is even available.
According to the webpage Videocardz, AMD discontinued the 5800x3D and 5600x3D, they are out of production, however the 5700x3D has continued to be manufactured.
Looking at it the same wat here in northern Europe. I don't need the latest and greatest for what I do so the 5700X3D is a great bang and not overspend on an older platform which still runs great
Just ordered it. Was waiting for the 5800x3D to hit $250 but I’m tired of waiting lol. Going from a 3800x and 2070S to a 5700x3D and 4070S. Super excited for my parts to come in.
I expected the review once we saw the 5700X3D being announced. Of course, it's the 5700X3D itself that nobody expected. Perhaps we could even see a 7700X3D for AM5 in the future?
@@auturgicflosculator2183 That slab of cache is about 2/3rds the size of an 8 core CCD, so it costs real money to produce. Intel has segmented on cache size since forever (leading gamers to belive that games benefitted from more cores than was actually the case) by artificially cutting the L3 on the i7s and i3s (both are cut down from i9s and i5s). AMD has given the full amount the CCD has to offer for all SKUs regardless of core count or clock bin, and then decided to offer an upgrade, for a price, that also costs more to make. TL;DR: You won't see X3D on the ultra low end parts, as the cost increase doesn't warrant it.
Funny timing - this video dropped about an hour after I finally went for a 5800x3d! Here in the EU the pricing for these 2 parts is a little off. The 5800x3d is around €290, the 5700x3d is around €275. At that difference it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I actually didn't realise this SKU existed until very last minute; the most positive thing about the 5700x3d launch over here is that it's actually brought down prices on the 5800x3d - they're actually down by 10%. Very nice! Thanks for the review GN! Regardless of our weird pricing right now, I expect it'll go down in the near future and be a competitive choice given those benchmarks.
@@turtleneck369I don't know the monthly wages in Slovakia but your CPU won't change for a few years so $30 over a few years is almost nothing. Go for the better cpu
As someone with a r5 3600 who doesn’t plan on going AM5, I’m happy GN is reviewing this for us budget pc builders. I’m definitely buying this with my RTX 3070 and keeping it till AM6.
The one thing I'm worried about is my motherboard kicking the bucket before then. Still, AM5 Boards and DDR5 should have gotten cheaper/better at the very least by that time.
I don't doubt that the AM4 platform will have relevance in another 4-5 years. And I bet some of the top tier chips will perform amazingly well for a long, long time! A 2-15 year run would be neat to see! Lol!
@@fvdeddriftOf course it will. All that matters is if it still does what you actually need it to do. If AM3 chips didn't lack newer instructions I know many people who would still try to rock them with a hefty overclock. For my home rig I skipped DDR4 entirely going from X79 to AM5. Lack of AVX2 was never a notable issue and this oc'd, 8-core xeon from 2012 can match or even beat 8700K/2700X levels of performance.
@@fvdeddrift I think it will go faster with time if you think of it.. Over 2-3 years 16 cores instead of 8 will be the main cpu to buy. Anything with lesser cores, wouldnt count anymore due lesser performance. I think 2- 3 years is the time AM4 will last.
Great insight, thank you! When I bought my PC in 2021 I was a bit disappointed knowing I'd built on a discontinued platform. I'd never have imagined parts still being released for it in 2024, given how long it had already been supported.
Ali express belive it or not, done all benchmarks its above average so i won the cpu silicon lottery and paid$110 less then my localpc shop@@markoholic_
@@alcapone154I don't know about any others outlets but for gamers nexus they probably just chose to prioritize the recent gpu launches instead. As in general there is more interest in new GPUs than CPUs
Yeah the power of cache is insane. I just wish we had some real 5600x3d and 5500x3d cpus (if the latter will ever exist) that you could buy outside of certain parts of the us.
@@Oneiric_Benevolence An 8600X3D CPU is something that AMD should definitely consider to try grabbing the mid tier market of CPUs as much as possible while being as affordable as possible. It's getting harder for people to have the disposable income to sink money into a computer, so more affordable but high performing X3D CPUs would be a great option for the various budget constrained gamers out there.
It’s absurd that nvidia and intel has let L2 and L3 cache so meager after all these years and only had rtx 4000 series increase it up to 64mb on L2 and intel only giving more L2 and L3 cache for higher than xx600 cpus; its ridiculous that amd comes in and focuses on the exact thing the market needs instead of crap that doesn’t matter
For people like you incapable of changing a motherboard it is a god send. If you ever need technical advice from my 9 year old son he is happy to assist
@@saricubra2867no it didn’t. There’s not that much difference between them and there are tons of people already on AM4. The 5900x is still a great CPU and if you’re already on AM4 it’s a great value upgrade from older Gen CPUs. I upgraded to a 5950x without needing to change anything else and it’ll do me a few extra years easily. There’s no way I would have been better off switching to intel.
My guess is that 5700X3D and 5600X3D stock is coming from server silicon that didn't make the cut. Don't forget AMD still has to make server silicon of this generation for its customers who bought Milan X Epyc. I wouldn't be surprised to see these stay in stock until server production stops.
@@BBWahoo I went 2600X to 5950X... and then 7950X3D because the 5950X3D didn't become a thing. I doubt AMD will release such a high-end product for AM4 at this point, for this very reason.
I remember watching "The Computer Chronicles" and hearing about how "now" they needed to worry about cooling CPUs since before Intel did Pentium(?) cooling wasn't really even a concern in servers let alone personal computers.
@@paulct91 Yeah lol, my first couple of PCs were bare PCB everywhere, with a couple of little aluminum passive heatsinks the size of an NVME drive or smaller. 😄
@@GrayEyesWorld Built it back in 2017 when Ryzen was first launched, and I am running an Asus Crosshair IV x370 board. Doing a full clean out of my rig, and will see if I run into any issues. Before I powered down, I updated the BIOS to the latest version.
@@GrahamDoesStuff You'll be fine! Just make sure your BIOS is up to date with your older Ryzen chip, and you should be all set. I finished all my upgrades yesterday, and the system feels brand new again! AM4 still kicking! Good Luck!
5700X3D has "aged" incredibly well in 5 months or so after release. Like, in central EU it's around 30-35% cheaper than 5800X3D, which is insane for a chip that's either almost the same, or insignificantly slower in most applications.
Wish they did a widespread release of the 5600X3D But they know if they did those & a 7600X3D, there'd be little reason for gamers to buy anything more.
That’s crazy. You could build the rest of your system there for probably less than 600 dollars total and it would still be a killer system. Great value.
@g00bergob94 I originally wa Ted just the CPU, but for $20 more I got a motherboard that was better than what I had, and an extra kit of Ram I didn't need. So now I have almost a whole system I can pass along to someone else.
I really love your videos. They are super detailed and have almost German precision. I'm just missing a little thing. I would be happy if there was a comparison table with the temperatures of the individual CPUs. Best regards from Berlin.
@@GamersNexus Yup, sold and shipped by Amazon Canada during pre-order. Apparently, they forgot to convert $250 USD to CAD hence why I got it at the price of a 5700X 😂
I set up my rig in 2019, just before Covid-19 wreaked havoc on the market... Even for that time, the setup wasn't the most expensive, but it offered the best cost-performance ratio I could find: R5 3600X, 5700XT, 16GB RAM, B450 Aorus M, EVGA 500W PSU... I'm considering upgrading a bit now, but unfortunately, jumping to AM5 isn't feasible for me since I'd need to buy new memory, motherboard, CPU, etc. I live in Brazil, and unfortunately everything here is ridiculously expensive, especially when it comes to gaming electronics =( I plan to upgrade in two phases, starting with the processor (5700X3D) and PSU (a 750W Gold), and then upgrading the GPU, probably to the 4070 Ti. I think with this upgrade, I'll be able to play games at good quality and frame rates for another 2 or 3 years. The release of the 5700X3D was a pleasant surprise for me, as the 5800 would have been well above my budget :) Just to give you an idea, here in Brazil, you can find the 5700X3D for around USD 250.00 (when on "sale"), while the 5800X3D goes for about USD 390.00 to 400.00. The 7800X3D is around USD 460.00. This prices are from Google Shopping, 07/2024
Love the username. Done any tunneling? 😉. They film with the A7R5 these days. It's not really a good video camera but the files are very well encoded and survive transcodes like a champ.
Upgraded last year from an RX570 4GB to a RX 6700XT 12GB for $300 and snagged an R7 5800X (non-3D) on black Friday for $180, which was a good jump from my old R5 2600. I don't see an AM5 upgrade in my future for at least a few years. AM4 just stays good.
If you stayed on 1080p that's a combo that will keep you set for a good long while. I was on 5950X + 6700XT at 1440p until November last year (where a bonus and complete lack of sanity enabled a 7950X3D + XTX upgrade) and it was chucking along nicely. 90FPS-ish in everything recent with mixed settings, so at 1080p you should be able to ride this console generation out without ever having to enable upscaling. (EDIT: Typo)
Oh hell yeah, i also upgrade my RX 570 8GB to RX 6700 XT (second hand cuz cheaper). Oh man the best feeling ever. Will save money to up my CPU to this new 5700X3D or 5800X3D
I bought into AM4 in 2020 initially with a Ryzen 5 5600x. I upgraded to a 5800x3d last year and gave my 5600x to my nephew to replace the 3600 he had. I ended up getting a cheap motherboard and paired his 3600 to retire a motherboard I had for another nephew that was still rocking an i5-7500
@@smoksta I game at 1440p with a rtx 3070 and the upgrade to me from the 5600x to the 5800x3d didn't feel as significant as the jump from the i7-6700k i had previous to the 5600x. i would've kept the 5600 but I got a really sweet deal on it from doing 2 years of searches with bing and using the points i got there to redeem Amazon cards and got the $350 cup for $212 after taxes. If you got a 3000 series Ryzen the 3D CPU's are worth not sure if I can say as much if you got a base 5k series. already unless you're playing games like microsoft flight simulator. The 5700x3d doesn't feel worth it compared to the 5800x3d because they're both 105w TDP cpu's if the 5700x3d was like it's non 3d cousin that used closer to 65wtdp it'd be more worth it because of lower heat output. That's honestly the biggest grip I have with the x3d CPU's is how hot they run. My office / pc gaming room turns into a sauna when playing couter strike 2 using a 5800x3d paired with a noctua single stack cooler and two fans.
Just wanna say thanks for continuing to show FFXIV! Seems like almost nobody else benchmarks an MMO, which is a real shame. As long as you guys keep FFXIV in your benchmark suite, I'll keep watching every video!
@@GamersNexus Oh, we're getting the Dawntrail benchmark in a few months. It'll be interesting to see how different it behaves with the graphics update against the same hardware.
@@GamersNexus To be fair it's impossible to choose a benchmark suite that will keep everyone if anyone happy. If you go full "popular" games we have to endure laughable 700fps Counterstrike, Fortnite, and R6 benches that are horrible for portraying limitations in demanding games. (Which are really only popular because they're free and many of those players aren't buying hardware.) If you go full demanding AAA games you're tiptoeing through a minefield of sponsored games that are optimized for one vendor over another and constant patches. For every niche title like F1, FF14, or FIFA (that's a lot of Fs in the chat) you know 90% of your viewers skip right past that content while 10% are deeply engaged. The best you can do since you obviously can't benchmark 73 games is try and spitball a mixture of them all while giving a nod to more CPU demanding ones for CPU reviews, and vice versa for GPUs. I wouldn't want to be in the meeting room while trying to update the roster. Heated words, chairs thrown, lifelong friendships ruined then reconciled over a case of beer after. Sounds like a Lifetime drama.
The problem with MMO benchmark is that the usual performance target is in raids and other endgame content, and that's not really accessible to a reviewer just looking to do a few benchmarks. The 7800X3D is the single most important piece of upgrade you can make if you raid bleeding edge in WoW for example, but its only people who play at that level will know that, if you ask around for a new PC for WoW most people will suggest you pair a modest CPU with a beefy GPU when that's the last thing you need.
@@dumpsterplayer5133 Not really. For a game like WoW that supports multithreading once you bury it under 87 mods in a raid environment I'd guarantee a 14700k would be superior for less money. I haven't raided in a while but I know WoW loves cores in heavy situations over single core performance and my 12 core absolutely destroyed my 8 core last time I played even though they're pretty close in single core performance. If you look at the benchmarks here even the lowly i5 is beating the mighty 7800X3D in FF14 and it's only going to get worse as you add mods, effects, and spells flying everywhere. Don't fall for the "OMGX3D" hooplah. When you watch all the reviews you only see them paired with a 4090 at 1080p, when absolutely _no one_ using a 4090 is gaming on a 1080p display. The X3D is great in very specific situations with games that love vcache but the second you turn up the resolution it falls to Zen4/13th gen levels because you're GPU limited. But the real insult is the second you _aren't_ gaming (you know, the most common time that you aren't GPU bound) it falls flat on it's face compared to non-X3D Zen4 and 13th gen. I'd just about guarantee the 7700x would match the X3D in WoW and the 14700kf would dominate it and both cost less without failing hard at CPU heavy workloads. The X3Ds are cool technology, don't get me wrong, but $400 is laughably overpriced for an 8 core in 2024 that only shines at low rez with a $2000 GPU which _no one_ is playing at. Not when Intel gives you 8p+12e and AMD gives you 12 for less money.
People want competition in the lower to mid CPU market and Dr Su goes "Fine... I'll compete against myself then!". People who aren't convinced to go AM5 by now (after boards and RAM has come down from the stratosphere) are stubborn little critters who insist on value (aka your traditional AMD user)... So if those quarterly sales numbers have to keep looking good, wringing out another $250 is better than nothing I suppose :P
@@andersjjensen people that can upgrade themselves would almost always get the 5800x3d. The market for this is prebuilt manufactures to move their old stock of often cut down am4 mobos by giving them a cut down 5800x3d at cheaper price the can advertise and sell as a new shiny
@@andersjjensen The goal is to allow older Zen users an upgrade path without breaking the bank. Lisa has managed just that by offering more budget friendly options to the mid-high end market. As shown, both the 5700X3D and 5800X3D stack up quite nicely with current gen offerings, making it relevant to continue support for the most versatile socket to date. If that's what it takes to bring more competition to the market? Then by all means, keep at it. It's working, and that's all that matters.
@@joshuapicarello The goal is to wring more money out of people. They're a company. There's a very good reason it took this long for it to come out... as I stated above. AMD, it seems, are just more willing to try to compete against the used market, which is where many will go if there are no proper value new options.
Would have been nice to see more comparisons between the 5700X3D and the Ryzen 5600X since its a chip that makes the most sense as an upgrade to current AM4 users.
As someone who builds computers for little profit, I'm glad to see AM4 continue even for a little bit - you'd be surprised the performance you can squeeze out of a good AM4 system without it costing an arm and a leg.
I'm writing this July 14th, 2024. On Amazon, the 5700x3d is on sale for $187. I currently have a 5600X and I'm strongly considering the upgrade at that price
I have a 5800X3D, B450 motherboard (MSI Gaming Pro Carbon), and a RTX 4080 and really, that is enough for me. I haven't been into gaming in the last couple of months, but probably about to go back to it in some capacity. I am satisfied with AM4 until I feel it's necessary to upgrade, and right now, I don't! It all depends on if it's important to you personally. AM4 platform does not equate to obsolescence to me AT ALL!! Thanks Steve! "
The 5700X3D probably the best mid-tier CPU available on the market right now for anyone on a strict budget if you're talking purely about gaming. For its price to performance, ideal 8 core/16 threads layout, efficient power usage that comes from 3D cache AMD CPUs, and being in a $250 price range where someone on a budget could stretch it just enough for this CPU, it seems like a clear choice. Being $70 cheaper than the 5800X3D puts it in a much more affordable price category. I really love how this CPU could be great for people who are more financially constrained and are saving up for a computer. A number of people may only have the budget to save up for a reasonable computer once for a good period of time (like college students), and the 5700X3D fits much better for those sorts of budget constraints with AM4 parts while aging much better than the non-X3D CPU alternatives.
My Intel build broke had DDR4 10700 locked. Updated to AM4 5700x3d and it's really strong. Next build with be AM5 but budget constraints. Had some people shaming me cause I didn't update to current gen but as a dad of 2 and the price of everything this was the build that made sense for my wallet.
2am for me lmao. Im hyped for this CPU since I need a CPU to push my 4080 at 1440p Ultrawide on my AM4 setup. My current 5600x does the job in most of my games, but FPS games like PUBG leave so much on the table. I was waiting for the 5800x3d to finally drop to 250-270 Euros and I am excited to see if the 5700x3d might be a better fit. I have a pretty compact case and I am limited to a single top mounted 240mm AIO. Im hoping the 5700 runs a bit cooler than the 5800 and I dont have to undervolt it :D
These exist because Milan and Milan-X still exist. As long as AMD still has contracts to maintain supply and Warranty SLAs, AMD will continue to make Zen3 and Zen-x3d chiplets. If it doesnt make the Milan/Milan-X binning requirements, it goes onto an AM4 chip.
Yeah... I think I am gonna get the 5700x3D as a last upgrade on my AM4 PC. I was thinking at 5800x3D but it got more expensive in the last 3 months, and it seems to be hard to find in stock in my local market.
thanks Amd for doing this and coming up with more cpus for same mobo , keeps our mobo nd rigs relevant - still clocking a 3700 xt i think i should upgrade
...is that really upgrading, feels like just waiting for AM6 would be better than scoring "older" AM5 bundles for "cheap" from MicroCenter would be good too.
Upgraded my AM4 rig with 3600 to the 5800X3D and an Asus Rog Strix 4080 after 4.5 years and it runs everything I need on High or Ultra at 1440p under 35db (all my fans are 140mm Chromax). Such a good investment/upgrade.
Lumen/Nanite isn't going to run as well as it should on Nvidia for a hot minute, don't blame your card or the dev if it's slow in some random UE5 game. Your card is blazing, incredibly fast, and even the next gen won't change that. It's just that Nvidia isn't playing ball with Epic for optimizations yet. Normal UE5 should be fine. I genuinely feel like the 80 ## card from the 40 series is going to feel like 1080 Ti part 2, even though the broader series is stinky
in your head to head comparison charts perhaps consider using color to indicate a negative effect (red) e.g. % less frames 5700x3d and positive effect (blue) % value for frame vs 5800x3d
Was looking on the list of processors my 7 year old motherboard could handle as a last leg upgrade, and surprised to see the x3d chips on there. So i upgraded from the 2600 to the 5700x3d. And man the gains are so good. Like the chart suggests it’s almost twice as better than the 2600. Stellaris endgame is no longer a dread, i could build ridiculously massive factories in dyson sphere program, and adding more players in beyond all reason won’t cause the game to crawl. I think i can hold on to this pc for another 5 years easily. What a damn good platform
I'm thrilled to see AMD keeping AM4 alive. This is really great for budget builders who want a smokin' machine and now can afford a better GPU. Really awesome to be able to upgrade your 4 or 5 year old rig for a couple hundred bucks and be top performing (close at least) AND have way more to put into a video budget.. So nice. I went 5800x3d last year and got super lucky I grabbed one for 289 brand new from Amazon it was an awesome deal, brand new FROM Amazon... it was like 3 days and I nabbed one.. SO nice because they're back to 329 again.. What an amazing upgrade from a 2600x. Such an upgrade!
I gotta say i really appreciate putting in the r5 2600 in the video because that's EXACTLY the processor I'm uphtading from, it feels like in videos like this no one ever considers the persoective of someone jusr doing a simple upgrade without warning to switch motherboards like in this channel
I just upgraded from the 1600af so I appreciated that 2600 benchmark as well! Just put the 5700x3d in yesterday and the little bit I played around on it it was such a significant difference over 1600af😂😂
I've been wanting to upgrade my 3600x to a used 5800x3d...but its just too good of a chip, nobody wants to sell it! Maybe I'll end up with this chip but will keep an eye out for a sale first.
I'm about to upgrade from r5 3600 to r7 5700x3d and I'm glad to see that even tho is wasnt built for productivity it will still be a really good upgrade , thqnks for the video
In all-core load for Blender: 86W 5700X3D vs 108W 5800X3D. There is nothing to learn of silicon quality from the test this time, as the lower frequency means lower power to sustain the frequency.
@@GamersNexus Okay - thank you! That is very important. I was worried it was using same or even slightly more power to achieve the worse result. That would indicate that it is complete junk that AMD is peddling on people. 22W in sustained workload might not seem like much, but it is decent saving. I was afraid that it would be much worse. And honestly first thing that comes to mind with your reviews is "Power Measurement" and "Efficiency". I thought that in my sleepy state I simply didn't notice the graphs, since you basically always put them in CPU reviews. And since you did Blender run, you almost certainly had the data.
I just upgraded my 3800x to 5800x3d along with a 4080 Super. Was on the fence about the 5700x3d and figured the price/performance would be about where it turned out. Good option for folks who need to maximize fps/$! Long live AM4!
My son gets my hand me down computers and I'm twitching about getting him a 5800X3D as a "this will hold you for a long time" upgrade. It's already running an AM4 3900X and EVGA 3080 FTW so he really doesn't have much to complain about now, but I do want something for one more bump without having to shell out for a whole new platform. REALLY pleased AMD is still breathing some life into AM4!
Also for people who buy a new computer every 5-8 years and just run it into the ground. I help a lot of people build computers, and there are actually a fair number of non-enthusiasts who operate like that. For those the current AM4/DDR4 discounts are a godsend as it means one or two tiers of GPU higher for the same budget.
@@andersjjensenI think most people who don't buy new GPU's every two years do exactly that. It only gets replaced when it's hopelessly inadequate or broken.
@@stangamer11517500f is so far down the line it's easy for a $300-500 GPU to be choked by the CPU. Just because a game is GPU bound doesn't mean a slower CPU will produce the same FPS, Black Desert Online is a great example.
@@stangamer1151 Plus a DDR5 bill then your value per dollar for this is no contest, especially considering this is stronger than the 7500f no questions asked if your focus is gaming.
Socket AM4, the Eternal Platform, fourth of its name. King of the Pins and the Chiplets, and the first Ryzens, Lord of the Lanes, and Protector of the Board.
I'm excited as the 5600X3D isn't available over here in Germany which means I can now decide between at least two CPUs once I upgrade my 3700x. Right now they are obly 20 bucks apart but hopefully it will get cheaper over time
I bought B550 Tomahawk and 5800X3D last winter. Fantastic platform. Not sure why people saying its a dead platform. They act like this wont last 3-4 more years
I went from 2700x to 5600x to 5800x3d over 6 years same motherboard ram and changed GPU from 970 SSC to 1080TI to 3080FTW3 Ultra. My other systems were Intel and I changed everything every time I got a new CPU. Kind wild to think about that. about every year and a half to two years I built new comps and Intel was on a new socket every time.
@@Oneiric_Benevolence yeah I mean with that and something like an rx7600XT, you could get away with sticking with it for at least until the next console generation.
Extra curricular data (will go in Mega Charts update on the site!): For those interested in power consumption, the 5700X3D is about 82-86W in Blender all-core and 5800X3D is about 20W higher in all-core Blender. They draw closer in gaming. The power mostly shows differences from the frequency bump on the 5800X3D, so silicon quality is a lesser consideration compared to frequency.
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Thanks Steve ! 😎👍
With PBO and CO, 5800X3D, NH14s, +-80C, games +- 70C, max 72w, 4463Mhz All cores..NO BRAINER at 265 euro
Nice, sounds like a pretty good efficiency bump in return for the reduction in performance.
Thanks for this. This was a massive concern of mine since I'm still in a Node 202 with its infamously terrible CPU cooling. Just further confirmed my decision to go with the 5700 instead of the 5800.
AM4’s longevity has been legendary. I hope AM5 strives try to match.
Unlikely.
No proof or anything, but I'm doubtful that it'll last the whole 5 years.
I wish they relase am4 cpu in 2026 for a decade of am4 as a little publicity stunt just 4 the lolz
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5950x3d :D@@vfctffu3797
At this point if it's half as venerable and long lived, we'd be looking at a success
AM4 shall remain a legendary platform for years to come.
It will definitely be regarded as a revolutionary platform within the CPU world!
@@GamersNexus Not only my bet is, that the last golden piece in the AM4 mozaik will be an "5950 X3D" and then Lisa will allow this platform go to the deserved retirement 😎
Agreed! I'm going to be rocking my am4 for 2-4 more years.
Wasn't this series also supposed to be AM5 only until the community got mad? It's crazy (in a good way) that they're still now supporting AM4.
@@muizzsiddiqueI’m still waiting for lower priced am5 chips
Steve from Hardware Unboxed asked us to inform you that he in fact had a Genuine box for the 5700X3D, making his review superior! Back to you Steve.
We all know that Steve is the better benchmarker.
Thanks, Steve.
You wrote Steve, but I think you meant Steve, right?? @@TheKazragore
Get wrecked, Steve. Steve is the superior Steve.
so much Steve on Steve violence, here. As a Steve, I hate to see Steve reduced to this. Leave Steve alone!
I second that! They have the box, so their review is better. 😁
8 months later this CPU is now $180, and the 5800X3D is nearly non-existent or priced near $400. It's hard to pass up the value of the 5700X3D at this point.
And what do you think of the 5900x at $200?
@@TheWorstGamerr It's still a great CPU if you do more than gaming.
Just got mine for $165 😄
i can't find the 5800X3d on amazon XD. I just want the best cpu for am4 as i emulate.
@@robertoaltuve4145same, ended up going with 5700x3d as it is just easier to get and great value.
The 5800x3d has become so expensive now that is isnt even remotely viable anymore. I just bought a 5700x3d for 200 bucks. The other one goes for 400+, IF it is even available.
Same here in Brasil, more then double the price if available
According to the webpage Videocardz, AMD discontinued the 5800x3D and 5600x3D, they are out of production, however the 5700x3D has continued to be manufactured.
How have you been liking your 5700x3D and what gpu/s have you paired with it?
same! I just opted for the 5700x3d. Ebay prices are pushing 400-500 bucks!
Looking at it the same wat here in northern Europe. I don't need the latest and greatest for what I do so the 5700X3D is a great bang and not overspend on an older platform which still runs great
Was able to pick up a 5800X3D at microcenter for 289 in store, it was a no brainer buy.
I got mine back in October and couldn’t be happier, it’s so fast
maxes out my 4080 in 1440p and 4k easily
@@thecrimsonkid3574 yeah no it doesn't bud
@@g0tsp33d giga rude for no reason, classic internet
Summer 2023 was the time to buy; $350 CAD without tax or $260 USD without tax
Just ordered it. Was waiting for the 5800x3D to hit $250 but I’m tired of waiting lol.
Going from a 3800x and 2070S to a 5700x3D and 4070S. Super excited for my parts to come in.
That 4070S is perfect for the 5700X3D.
You made a grand decision regardless, you'll feel no difference from a 800X3D unless you emulate PS3 games.
Nice upgrade! I have a very similar system with a 5800X3D & a 3090. 100+ fps on modern dx12 titles and very high settings @ 1440p
bought 5800x3d with the 4070super and the performance is nuts, since 5700 isnt much less you wont be disappointed i promise, such a nice comb
Just made the same upgrade! Excited to take advantage of 1440p. Been running low to medium settings on my 2060 + 3600 for 3 years!
5800x3d for 250 aint going to happen.
Huh, I didn't expect another AM4 review video from GN in 2024!
Neither did we!
I expected the review once we saw the 5700X3D being announced. Of course, it's the 5700X3D itself that nobody expected. Perhaps we could even see a 7700X3D for AM5 in the future?
@@leonro I hope the X3D CPUs someday become a full spectrum line-up on AM5+, from budget(vs the 14100) to high end.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 That slab of cache is about 2/3rds the size of an 8 core CCD, so it costs real money to produce. Intel has segmented on cache size since forever (leading gamers to belive that games benefitted from more cores than was actually the case) by artificially cutting the L3 on the i7s and i3s (both are cut down from i9s and i5s). AMD has given the full amount the CCD has to offer for all SKUs regardless of core count or clock bin, and then decided to offer an upgrade, for a price, that also costs more to make.
TL;DR: You won't see X3D on the ultra low end parts, as the cost increase doesn't warrant it.
As AMD is still manufacturing Zen 3 x3d for server, they will have chips to supply am4 for maybe a year or two.
The Hardware Unboxed's review was better because they had the real, genuine box!
Thanks anyway ❤
Hahaha beat me to it.
Funny timing - this video dropped about an hour after I finally went for a 5800x3d! Here in the EU the pricing for these 2 parts is a little off. The 5800x3d is around €290, the 5700x3d is around €275. At that difference it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I actually didn't realise this SKU existed until very last minute; the most positive thing about the 5700x3d launch over here is that it's actually brought down prices on the 5800x3d - they're actually down by 10%. Very nice!
Thanks for the review GN! Regardless of our weird pricing right now, I expect it'll go down in the near future and be a competitive choice given those benchmarks.
right now where i live svk i can get 235€ for 5700x3d and around 270€ for 5800x3d idk if its worth that 30 € diffence what do u think ?
@@turtleneck369I don't know the monthly wages in Slovakia but your CPU won't change for a few years so $30 over a few years is almost nothing. Go for the better cpu
Ist 75€ today - very nice price adjustment
Rn the price of the 5800x3d is 320 euro while the 5700x3d is 199 euro so im sure 5700x3d is much better for its price
got a 5700x3d today for 180. 5800x3d sits at 300
As someone with a r5 3600 who doesn’t plan on going AM5, I’m happy GN is reviewing this for us budget pc builders. I’m definitely buying this with my RTX 3070 and keeping it till AM6.
I was on r7 3700x and 3070 but switched to the 5800x 3d. I'll also be waiting till next gen to see what new gpus and cpus come out with.
you could always use the budget to get a really good gpu instead of a full build.
The one thing I'm worried about is my motherboard kicking the bucket before then. Still, AM5 Boards and DDR5 should have gotten cheaper/better at the very least by that time.
When 330$ cpu is budget
@@Roland_Deschain this cpu isn't 330 dollars that's the 5800x3d
20:32 - Wow, 8 years have passed already? Glad I got into the AM4 platform from the start.
I don't doubt that the AM4 platform will have relevance in another 4-5 years. And I bet some of the top tier chips will perform amazingly well for a long, long time! A 2-15 year run would be neat to see! Lol!
@@fvdeddriftOf course it will. All that matters is if it still does what you actually need it to do. If AM3 chips didn't lack newer instructions I know many people who would still try to rock them with a hefty overclock. For my home rig I skipped DDR4 entirely going from X79 to AM5. Lack of AVX2 was never a notable issue and this oc'd, 8-core xeon from 2012 can match or even beat 8700K/2700X levels of performance.
It started in 2016 with some athlon CPUs and zen 1 in 2017
@@Luke-pp2lw Amazing, you went AM4 before the RYZEN arrived, that was keen. Also what an amazing upgrade from Athlon to Zen.
@@fvdeddrift I think it will go faster with time if you think of it.. Over 2-3 years 16 cores instead of 8 will be the main cpu to buy. Anything with lesser cores, wouldnt count anymore due lesser performance. I think 2- 3 years is the time AM4 will last.
Great insight, thank you! When I bought my PC in 2021 I was a bit disappointed knowing I'd built on a discontinued platform. I'd never have imagined parts still being released for it in 2024, given how long it had already been supported.
grabbed 5700x3d for 114$, my board has been using 3600-5600.
am4 is so goated
Where did you buy it from?
So jealous, i just got mine for 200
wow thats a good deal! where i'm from it's $280 lol
Ali express belive it or not, done all benchmarks its above average so i won the cpu silicon lottery and paid$110 less then my localpc shop@@markoholic_
Looking for one now. Its $220 here in my country
The name is AM4, but you can call it the GOAT.
As someone who does not play games on PC, I really cant relate
@@muhammedalitoya1505As someone who also doesn't play games, AM4 is amazing.
@@muhammedalitoya1505 Not sure if serious..
Finally. Been checking everyday for this review.
Exactly! There are no reviews at all. Why did it take so long?
@@alcapone154I don't know about any others outlets but for gamers nexus they probably just chose to prioritize the recent gpu launches instead. As in general there is more interest in new GPUs than CPUs
If I’m right, I don’t think these were seeded out to reviewers. That’s why there was no reviews at launch.
The fact that this cpu trades blows with the 7600x and 7700x which are clocking a whole GHz higher and on newer architecture is incredible!
Yeah the power of cache is insane. I just wish we had some real 5600x3d and 5500x3d cpus (if the latter will ever exist) that you could buy outside of certain parts of the us.
@@Oneiric_Benevolence An 8600X3D CPU is something that AMD should definitely consider to try grabbing the mid tier market of CPUs as much as possible while being as affordable as possible. It's getting harder for people to have the disposable income to sink money into a computer, so more affordable but high performing X3D CPUs would be a great option for the various budget constrained gamers out there.
It’s absurd that nvidia and intel has let L2 and L3 cache so meager after all these years and only had rtx 4000 series increase it up to 64mb on L2 and intel only giving more L2 and L3 cache for higher than xx600 cpus; its ridiculous that amd comes in and focuses on the exact thing the market needs instead of crap that doesn’t matter
AMD should just launch the X3D as default cpu
It's crazy how well these "old" chips do in gaming compared to a newer $600 part (14900k).
The Hardware Unbox review was better because they had the real genuine box. Steve from HBU said that GN Steve will appreciate this 😁
This review of hardware was UN-boxed. UN-acceptable 😂
As always though, Steve's review was the best 😉
For people like you incapable of changing a motherboard it is a god send. If you ever need technical advice from my 9 year old son he is happy to assist
AM4 really refused to die coz Ryzen 5000 SKUs are just that dang good for its price.
With the exception of the Ryzen 5s and Ryzen 9s (i7-12700K made the 5900X obsolete).
@@saricubra2867 sure buddy
@@saricubra2867no it didn’t. There’s not that much difference between them and there are tons of people already on AM4.
The 5900x is still a great CPU and if you’re already on AM4 it’s a great value upgrade from older Gen CPUs.
I upgraded to a 5950x without needing to change anything else and it’ll do me a few extra years easily. There’s no way I would have been better off switching to intel.
@@saricubra2867Hooray, a chip released a year later that uses more power for more performance.
What a cool chip. /s
@@rustler08 That's why i don't have an i9.
My guess is that 5700X3D and 5600X3D stock is coming from server silicon that didn't make the cut. Don't forget AMD still has to make server silicon of this generation for its customers who bought Milan X Epyc. I wouldn't be surprised to see these stay in stock until server production stops.
That'd be great if they stick around for a while.
5500x3d is around the corner.
@@Poseidonios_Bellerophon
I want a 5950X3D. I have a 3950X and I want some cache for my 16 core AM4 part please!
@@BBWahoo I went 2600X to 5950X... and then 7950X3D because the 5950X3D didn't become a thing. I doubt AMD will release such a high-end product for AM4 at this point, for this very reason.
@@andersjjensen
I'm gonna keep DREAMING, don't let the dream die until there's an EOL announcement for AM4! ✌️
This is like back in the mid-late 1990s when you could get brand new CPUs with higher clock speeds and 5th gen features for 486-based sockets lol.
Pentium Overdrive ftw, it was expensive but still a lot cheaper than building a whole new setup
I remember watching "The Computer Chronicles" and hearing about how "now" they needed to worry about cooling CPUs since before Intel did Pentium(?) cooling wasn't really even a concern in servers let alone personal computers.
Socket 7 supported intel, amd and Cyrix.
I WAS THERE MAN! 😬😅
@@paulct91 Yeah lol, my first couple of PCs were bare PCB everywhere, with a couple of little aluminum passive heatsinks the size of an NVME drive or smaller. 😄
Talk about timing! Upgrading my system from a 1700 to 5700x3d while watching this! Thanks GN!
I gotta know, when was your system with the 1700 built and what motherboard is it running?
@@GrayEyesWorld Built it back in 2017 when Ryzen was first launched, and I am running an Asus Crosshair IV x370 board. Doing a full clean out of my rig, and will see if I run into any issues. Before I powered down, I updated the BIOS to the latest version.
@@djtribo8925 Wow! That is incredible! Good luck with your upgrades!
About to do the exact same thing! Im terrified of screwing up😅
@@GrahamDoesStuff You'll be fine! Just make sure your BIOS is up to date with your older Ryzen chip, and you should be all set. I finished all my upgrades yesterday, and the system feels brand new again! AM4 still kicking! Good Luck!
5700X3D has "aged" incredibly well in 5 months or so after release. Like, in central EU it's around 30-35% cheaper than 5800X3D, which is insane for a chip that's either almost the same, or insignificantly slower in most applications.
Am4 just won't die 😂
Oblivion Imperial Guard voice: WHY... WON'T... YOU... DIE?!
The RX580 8GB of sockets. I went 2600X to 5950X on mine.
@@GamersNexus Nanomachines, son
I have 2 5600 for gaming builds and a 2600 that went to an office PC build and is overkill 😂
@@nate-lin Wrong game, but I'll allow it 🤣
With the Microcenter mobo and RAM combo, I paid $156.81 for my 5600x3d. Major discounts on the other parts also. AMD is killing it
More like they are getting rid of old stock
@@Splarkszter ...while still killing it. There's demand for lower priced parts, PC hardware has gotten too expensive
@@thelegendaryklobb2879Well. That's true.
I'd love to have gotten a 5600X3D but they're pretty much unobtanium anymore unless your Microcenter is one of the half dozen that has one still.
Wish they did a widespread release of the 5600X3D
But they know if they did those & a 7600X3D, there'd be little reason for gamers to buy anything more.
I went to Micro Center last Thursday and they were selling 5800 X3Ds with a B500 Motherboard and 16GB of Ram for $349.
NUT
That’s crazy. You could build the rest of your system there for probably less than 600 dollars total and it would still be a killer system. Great value.
@g00bergob94 I originally wa Ted just the CPU, but for $20 more I got a motherboard that was better than what I had, and an extra kit of Ram I didn't need. So now I have almost a whole system I can pass along to someone else.
Well GOOD FOR YOU THAT YOU LIVE NEAR THE PROMISE LAND (microcenter) lol 😂so jealous
@@estevenn_ 45 min drive to the one in Madison Heights, MI from my house.
Thanks for showing all of the competition on the bar graphs plus upgradable cpus!
I really love your videos. They are super detailed and have almost German precision. I'm just missing a little thing. I would be happy if there was a comparison table with the temperatures of the individual CPUs. Best regards from Berlin.
I got this for $250 CAD/$185 USD due to a price error, pretty happy with it!
Wow! That's insane. Retailer pricing error?
@@GamersNexus Yup, sold and shipped by Amazon Canada during pre-order. Apparently, they forgot to convert $250 USD to CAD hence why I got it at the price of a 5700X 😂
Damn, nice snag!
Nice Price! Now you can give AMD a little more for the gpu x)
I only ended up getting a 6650 XT for $230 USD since I only play CPU-intensive games like Dota 2 and CS2 😂
I hope AMD go fully insane and release an Athlon 300GX3D
I always wondered how a 4c/8t X3D chip pushing 4.6/4.7ghz would do..
Man i remember my first AMD Athlone a single core 64bit processor which had had get released back in 2001. Good old times!
@@jayruka2508 if they ever released a Ryzen 3 5300X3D they would have made anything below the 5800X3D obsolete. Shame they never did really..
Watch them make a 5950X3D
Ain't no way they made that.
Remember ryzen 3 long forgotten.
LOL Newegg has a advertisement that says "The more you add to your cart, the more you save!"
Kind of reminds me of Jensen's speech last year.
Man, I automatically have a slightly worse opinion of someone if they work on marketing. How to scam people the most legal way possible, what a job.
"The more you buy, the more you save." lololol
69th 👍 😅😂🤣😂🤣
I set up my rig in 2019, just before Covid-19 wreaked havoc on the market... Even for that time, the setup wasn't the most expensive, but it offered the best cost-performance ratio I could find: R5 3600X, 5700XT, 16GB RAM, B450 Aorus M, EVGA 500W PSU...
I'm considering upgrading a bit now, but unfortunately, jumping to AM5 isn't feasible for me since I'd need to buy new memory, motherboard, CPU, etc. I live in Brazil, and unfortunately everything here is ridiculously expensive, especially when it comes to gaming electronics =(
I plan to upgrade in two phases, starting with the processor (5700X3D) and PSU (a 750W Gold), and then upgrading the GPU, probably to the 4070 Ti.
I think with this upgrade, I'll be able to play games at good quality and frame rates for another 2 or 3 years.
The release of the 5700X3D was a pleasant surprise for me, as the 5800 would have been well above my budget :)
Just to give you an idea, here in Brazil, you can find the 5700X3D for around USD 250.00 (when on "sale"), while the 5800X3D goes for about USD 390.00 to 400.00. The 7800X3D is around USD 460.00.
This prices are from Google Shopping, 07/2024
That 65$ gap is actually nice you can end with a better gpu. Like 4070 to 4070 super.
I know this is out of topic but damn the video quality is so good, i think that youtube compresses the hell out of videos as time goes by.
Love the username. Done any tunneling? 😉. They film with the A7R5 these days. It's not really a good video camera but the files are very well encoded and survive transcodes like a champ.
ive noticed this too
Every time TH-cam changes the transmit/decode codec, it recompresses existing videos during low load at very lossy settings
It’s the lighting
Upgraded last year from an RX570 4GB to a RX 6700XT 12GB for $300 and snagged an R7 5800X (non-3D) on black Friday for $180, which was a good jump from my old R5 2600.
I don't see an AM5 upgrade in my future for at least a few years. AM4 just stays good.
If you stayed on 1080p that's a combo that will keep you set for a good long while. I was on 5950X + 6700XT at 1440p until November last year (where a bonus and complete lack of sanity enabled a 7950X3D + XTX upgrade) and it was chucking along nicely. 90FPS-ish in everything recent with mixed settings, so at 1080p you should be able to ride this console generation out without ever having to enable upscaling.
(EDIT: Typo)
Oh hell yeah, i also upgrade my RX 570 8GB to RX 6700 XT (second hand cuz cheaper). Oh man the best feeling ever. Will save money to up my CPU to this new 5700X3D or 5800X3D
You over-paid for 5800x . But it's YOUR money and if YOU are happy then it is a happy upgrade
@tilapiadave3234 They're listed on Amazon $230 for a new one right now, and it was higher before that sale so I'm not sure what you mean by overpaid.
@@TheApatheticGuy You missed the point : 5700x even here in Australia is far cheaper and just as good ,, even better value is the 5600
I bought into AM4 in 2020 initially with a Ryzen 5 5600x. I upgraded to a 5800x3d last year and gave my 5600x to my nephew to replace the 3600 he had. I ended up getting a cheap motherboard and paired his 3600 to retire a motherboard I had for another nephew that was still rocking an i5-7500
How was the performance boost? I have a 4070ti and 5600x and really trying to figure out if it would be a worthy bump in performance
@@smoksta If you're playing competitive games at 1440p low settings, it'll be a very measurable boost.
@@gsuhz41 thank you!
@@smoksta I game at 1440p with a rtx 3070 and the upgrade to me from the 5600x to the 5800x3d didn't feel as significant as the jump from the i7-6700k i had previous to the 5600x.
i would've kept the 5600 but I got a really sweet deal on it from doing 2 years of searches with bing and using the points i got there to redeem Amazon cards and got the $350 cup for $212 after taxes.
If you got a 3000 series Ryzen the 3D CPU's are worth not sure if I can say as much if you got a base 5k series. already unless you're playing games like microsoft flight simulator.
The 5700x3d doesn't feel worth it compared to the 5800x3d because they're both 105w TDP cpu's if the 5700x3d was like it's non 3d cousin that used closer to 65wtdp it'd be more worth it because of lower heat output. That's honestly the biggest grip I have with the x3d CPU's is how hot they run. My office / pc gaming room turns into a sauna when playing couter strike 2 using a 5800x3d paired with a noctua single stack cooler and two fans.
@@smokstayour 5600x bottlenecking the 4070 ti
Upgrading the cpu would give you higher fps
Absolutely loving your reviews GN. Cheers from Chelyabinsk!
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5700X3D is down to $182.99 what a deal.
Link? Here is $220
@@juan180p that was a month ago it went back up. You need to be fast to get the deals like me.
@@JayzBeerz sorry fast boy 😓
Has the 5800x3d been discontinued? It’s hard to find in Europe, and the stores that do have it only stock 2-3 units, and the price is extremely high.
@@neven9051 no they still make it
I have waited for this review specifically from you guys can’t wait to see it love all the work done thanks a lot!
Just wanna say thanks for continuing to show FFXIV! Seems like almost nobody else benchmarks an MMO, which is a real shame. As long as you guys keep FFXIV in your benchmark suite, I'll keep watching every video!
That's the plan - hoping they release something new to test with soon!
@@GamersNexus Oh, we're getting the Dawntrail benchmark in a few months. It'll be interesting to see how different it behaves with the graphics update against the same hardware.
@@GamersNexus To be fair it's impossible to choose a benchmark suite that will keep everyone if anyone happy. If you go full "popular" games we have to endure laughable 700fps Counterstrike, Fortnite, and R6 benches that are horrible for portraying limitations in demanding games. (Which are really only popular because they're free and many of those players aren't buying hardware.) If you go full demanding AAA games you're tiptoeing through a minefield of sponsored games that are optimized for one vendor over another and constant patches. For every niche title like F1, FF14, or FIFA (that's a lot of Fs in the chat) you know 90% of your viewers skip right past that content while 10% are deeply engaged.
The best you can do since you obviously can't benchmark 73 games is try and spitball a mixture of them all while giving a nod to more CPU demanding ones for CPU reviews, and vice versa for GPUs.
I wouldn't want to be in the meeting room while trying to update the roster. Heated words, chairs thrown, lifelong friendships ruined then reconciled over a case of beer after. Sounds like a Lifetime drama.
The problem with MMO benchmark is that the usual performance target is in raids and other endgame content, and that's not really accessible to a reviewer just looking to do a few benchmarks. The 7800X3D is the single most important piece of upgrade you can make if you raid bleeding edge in WoW for example, but its only people who play at that level will know that, if you ask around for a new PC for WoW most people will suggest you pair a modest CPU with a beefy GPU when that's the last thing you need.
@@dumpsterplayer5133 Not really. For a game like WoW that supports multithreading once you bury it under 87 mods in a raid environment I'd guarantee a 14700k would be superior for less money. I haven't raided in a while but I know WoW loves cores in heavy situations over single core performance and my 12 core absolutely destroyed my 8 core last time I played even though they're pretty close in single core performance. If you look at the benchmarks here even the lowly i5 is beating the mighty 7800X3D in FF14 and it's only going to get worse as you add mods, effects, and spells flying everywhere.
Don't fall for the "OMGX3D" hooplah. When you watch all the reviews you only see them paired with a 4090 at 1080p, when absolutely _no one_ using a 4090 is gaming on a 1080p display. The X3D is great in very specific situations with games that love vcache but the second you turn up the resolution it falls to Zen4/13th gen levels because you're GPU limited. But the real insult is the second you _aren't_ gaming (you know, the most common time that you aren't GPU bound) it falls flat on it's face compared to non-X3D Zen4 and 13th gen. I'd just about guarantee the 7700x would match the X3D in WoW and the 14700kf would dominate it and both cost less without failing hard at CPU heavy workloads.
The X3Ds are cool technology, don't get me wrong, but $400 is laughably overpriced for an 8 core in 2024 that only shines at low rez with a $2000 GPU which _no one_ is playing at. Not when Intel gives you 8p+12e and AMD gives you 12 for less money.
AMD stays winning with am4
People want competition in the lower to mid CPU market and Dr Su goes "Fine... I'll compete against myself then!". People who aren't convinced to go AM5 by now (after boards and RAM has come down from the stratosphere) are stubborn little critters who insist on value (aka your traditional AMD user)... So if those quarterly sales numbers have to keep looking good, wringing out another $250 is better than nothing I suppose :P
@@andersjjensen people that can upgrade themselves would almost always get the 5800x3d. The market for this is prebuilt manufactures to move their old stock of often cut down am4 mobos by giving them a cut down 5800x3d at cheaper price the can advertise and sell as a new shiny
@@andersjjensen The goal is to allow older Zen users an upgrade path without breaking the bank. Lisa has managed just that by offering more budget friendly options to the mid-high end market. As shown, both the 5700X3D and 5800X3D stack up quite nicely with current gen offerings, making it relevant to continue support for the most versatile socket to date. If that's what it takes to bring more competition to the market? Then by all means, keep at it. It's working, and that's all that matters.
@@joshuapicarello The goal is to wring more money out of people. They're a company. There's a very good reason it took this long for it to come out... as I stated above.
AMD, it seems, are just more willing to try to compete against the used market, which is where many will go if there are no proper value new options.
You missed one of the most impactful use cases of a X3D CPU - Factorio. Just like the factory, your reviews must grow!
Would have been nice to see more comparisons between the 5700X3D and the Ryzen 5600X since its a chip that makes the most sense as an upgrade to current AM4 users.
As someone who builds computers for little profit, I'm glad to see AM4 continue even for a little bit - you'd be surprised the performance you can squeeze out of a good AM4 system without it costing an arm and a leg.
if you told me back in 2017 that am4@ddr4 would compete with intel@ddr5 seven years later. i would call you a madman!
people tried but they were called fanboys
Competes in what? A handful of games?
Gets rings run around them on everything else.
@@griffin1366No it competes in most games, look at the GN and HUB tests.
Bruh, it also competes with AMD@ddr5. And intel ddr4 comepetes with it's own ddr5. Wrong comparison.
AMD only competes with themselves.
I hope Intel won't delay/cancel everything this year again.
I am excited to ride my 5600X3D all the way to AM6.
You are amazing for benchmarking CPU-heavy games like Stellaris and FFXIV ❤
I'm writing this July 14th, 2024. On Amazon, the 5700x3d is on sale for $187. I currently have a 5600X and I'm strongly considering the upgrade at that price
Have you decided? If yes, did it worth it? I am also considering a similar upgrade.
@@redraven1189 hell no its not worth it! 5600x alone is a sick fking chip. if u gonna upgrade, get the very best! thats 5800x3d!
Imagine 5800X3D refresh on 5/4nm with higher clocks, still AM4. That would be awesome :)
5800X3D+
5ghz
5800XTX3D
That is not a bad idea actually
I have a 5800X3D, B450 motherboard (MSI Gaming Pro Carbon), and a RTX 4080 and really, that is enough for me. I haven't been into gaming in the last couple of months, but probably about to go back to it in some capacity. I am satisfied with AM4 until I feel it's necessary to upgrade, and right now, I don't! It all depends on if it's important to you personally. AM4 platform does not equate to obsolescence to me AT ALL!! Thanks Steve!
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When I think about AM4 the first thing that comes to mind is Queen's song "Who Wants to Live Forever".
or maybe "We Are The Champions" 😉
That song is about dying soon LOL
The 5700X3D probably the best mid-tier CPU available on the market right now for anyone on a strict budget if you're talking purely about gaming. For its price to performance, ideal 8 core/16 threads layout, efficient power usage that comes from 3D cache AMD CPUs, and being in a $250 price range where someone on a budget could stretch it just enough for this CPU, it seems like a clear choice. Being $70 cheaper than the 5800X3D puts it in a much more affordable price category.
I really love how this CPU could be great for people who are more financially constrained and are saving up for a computer. A number of people may only have the budget to save up for a reasonable computer once for a good period of time (like college students), and the 5700X3D fits much better for those sorts of budget constraints with AM4 parts while aging much better than the non-X3D CPU alternatives.
My Intel build broke had DDR4 10700 locked. Updated to AM4 5700x3d and it's really strong. Next build with be AM5 but budget constraints. Had some people shaming me cause I didn't update to current gen but as a dad of 2 and the price of everything this was the build that made sense for my wallet.
Time to watch a 5700x3d review at 11pm
2am for me lmao. Im hyped for this CPU since I need a CPU to push my 4080 at 1440p Ultrawide on my AM4 setup.
My current 5600x does the job in most of my games, but FPS games like PUBG leave so much on the table.
I was waiting for the 5800x3d to finally drop to 250-270 Euros and I am excited to see if the 5700x3d might be a better fit.
I have a pretty compact case and I am limited to a single top mounted 240mm AIO. Im hoping the 5700 runs a bit cooler than the 5800 and I dont have to undervolt it :D
@@onedriftyboyI'll buy Ryzen 7 5700X3D and RTX 4070 to play games in 1440p
@@davidlucas9503 I did this combo. It's nice.
These exist because Milan and Milan-X still exist. As long as AMD still has contracts to maintain supply and Warranty SLAs, AMD will continue to make Zen3 and Zen-x3d chiplets. If it doesnt make the Milan/Milan-X binning requirements, it goes onto an AM4 chip.
Yeah... I think I am gonna get the 5700x3D as a last upgrade on my AM4 PC. I was thinking at 5800x3D but it got more expensive in the last 3 months, and it seems to be hard to find in stock in my local market.
Yeah，weirdly it went out of stock or almost doubled in price by almost fifty percent where I live, while this has just appeared at MSRP.
thanks Amd for doing this and coming up with more cpus for same mobo , keeps our mobo nd rigs relevant - still clocking a 3700 xt i think i should upgrade
Thank you for this, this will be super helpful for my upcoming pc build
Nice. Maybe I will make the upgrade to this one. Still holding to my AM4
...is that really upgrading, feels like just waiting for AM6 would be better than scoring "older" AM5 bundles for "cheap" from MicroCenter would be good too.
AM4, what a platform. You can start with a low end IGP gaming with 2200G and scale up to a high end dedicated GPU with the X3D parts.
Upgraded my AM4 rig with 3600 to the 5800X3D and an Asus Rog Strix 4080 after 4.5 years and it runs everything I need on High or Ultra at 1440p under 35db (all my fans are 140mm Chromax). Such a good investment/upgrade.
You have dream come true machine bro enjoy
Lumen/Nanite isn't going to run as well as it should on Nvidia for a hot minute, don't blame your card or the dev if it's slow in some random UE5 game. Your card is blazing, incredibly fast, and even the next gen won't change that. It's just that Nvidia isn't playing ball with Epic for optimizations yet. Normal UE5 should be fine.
I genuinely feel like the 80 ## card from the 40 series is going to feel like 1080 Ti part 2, even though the broader series is stinky
Not like it matters since you had $1500+ budget. But unless you got the 5800x3d on a sale, it's actually the same price to get AM5 platform.
The day the 9800x3d reviews went live I ordered it.Upgrading from a 3600.AM4LIFE
Thanks. I have bought the 5700x3d. Great value, 100 euros cheaper than the 5800x3d.
And cheaper to run too!
@@fuzzydunlop7154 genau!
in your head to head comparison charts perhaps consider using color to indicate a negative effect (red) e.g. % less frames 5700x3d and positive effect (blue) % value for frame vs 5800x3d
5900 X3d next year would be so funny. I just purchased a 5800x3d resently, and really enjoying it.
5950X3D pls... maybe they'll do it as AM5 ages further and AM4 is not directly conflict with lower-end AM5... who knows... just a hopeful thought 🙏
@@whitemoses7913 Makes no sense. At that price point it's competing with the 7800X3D.
@@griffin1366 Yep, plus at that point youd run into the 2 ccd issues that the 7950X3D runs into
The spiritual 4790k now has a spiritual 4770k to go along with it. Its almost poetic
Except that the 4790k came out 11 months after the 4770k.
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@@whiteofsoul We don't talk about baby broadwell. Even my 4820K makes fun of him.
@@whiteofsoul Ah yes, the Ryzen 3 5400X3D
Was looking on the list of processors my 7 year old motherboard could handle as a last leg upgrade, and surprised to see the x3d chips on there. So i upgraded from the 2600 to the 5700x3d. And man the gains are so good. Like the chart suggests it’s almost twice as better than the 2600. Stellaris endgame is no longer a dread, i could build ridiculously massive factories in dyson sphere program, and adding more players in beyond all reason won’t cause the game to crawl. I think i can hold on to this pc for another 5 years easily. What a damn good platform
GOAT Platform
You are litterally me, I have a 2600 and want to upgrade to 5700x3d.
Currently on a 2700
Looking for a sale on the x3d
At this moment is $227 dollars in my country
@@juan180p that’s not bad, i got mine for $200
I'm thrilled to see AMD keeping AM4 alive. This is really great for budget builders who want a smokin' machine and now can afford a better GPU. Really awesome to be able to upgrade your 4 or 5 year old rig for a couple hundred bucks and be top performing (close at least) AND have way more to put into a video budget.. So nice. I went 5800x3d last year and got super lucky I grabbed one for 289 brand new from Amazon it was an awesome deal, brand new FROM Amazon... it was like 3 days and I nabbed one.. SO nice because they're back to 329 again.. What an amazing upgrade from a 2600x. Such an upgrade!
Why didn't you have the actual box like they did over at Hardware Unboxed?
Great review! But where's the box?
I like AMDs long term support for its platforms
Wild that I bought my AM4 MB years ago and with a drop in CPU upgrade it’s still keeping up with newly released high end processors.
I gotta say i really appreciate putting in the r5 2600 in the video because that's EXACTLY the processor I'm uphtading from, it feels like in videos like this no one ever considers the persoective of someone jusr doing a simple upgrade without warning to switch motherboards like in this channel
I just upgraded from the 1600af so I appreciated that 2600 benchmark as well! Just put the 5700x3d in yesterday and the little bit I played around on it it was such a significant difference over 1600af😂😂
I've been wanting to upgrade my 3600x to a used 5800x3d...but its just too good of a chip, nobody wants to sell it! Maybe I'll end up with this chip but will keep an eye out for a sale first.
Just bought the 5700x3D for 200. Gonna blow my ryzen 3600x out of the water and I can't wait.
Man as I went all in and built 2 am5 PCs in the last year I hope it has
Legs like the am4 does
Don’t buy, build.
I'm so glad you guys test stellaris on cpus!
I'm about to upgrade from r5 3600 to r7 5700x3d and I'm glad to see that even tho is wasnt built for productivity it will still be a really good upgrade , thqnks for the video
Steve form Hardware Unboxed say his review of R7 5700X3D is better becouse he have retail box version not send by AMD :D Back to you Steve.
Did I miss power consumption test? I know they have the same TDP, but it could shed light on silicon quality.
In all-core load for Blender: 86W 5700X3D vs 108W 5800X3D. There is nothing to learn of silicon quality from the test this time, as the lower frequency means lower power to sustain the frequency.
@@GamersNexus Okay - thank you! That is very important. I was worried it was using same or even slightly more power to achieve the worse result. That would indicate that it is complete junk that AMD is peddling on people. 22W in sustained workload might not seem like much, but it is decent saving. I was afraid that it would be much worse. And honestly first thing that comes to mind with your reviews is "Power Measurement" and "Efficiency". I thought that in my sleepy state I simply didn't notice the graphs, since you basically always put them in CPU reviews. And since you did Blender run, you almost certainly had the data.
I just upgraded my 3800x to 5800x3d along with a 4080 Super. Was on the fence about the 5700x3d and figured the price/performance would be about where it turned out. Good option for folks who need to maximize fps/$! Long live AM4!
Ty
AND all for reviewers saying it is a deal Thank you so much.
My son gets my hand me down computers and I'm twitching about getting him a 5800X3D as a "this will hold you for a long time" upgrade. It's already running an AM4 3900X and EVGA 3080 FTW so he really doesn't have much to complain about now, but I do want something for one more bump without having to shell out for a whole new platform. REALLY pleased AMD is still breathing some life into AM4!
Value for money, this is an outstanding release, especially for current AM4 owners
Also for people who buy a new computer every 5-8 years and just run it into the ground. I help a lot of people build computers, and there are actually a fair number of non-enthusiasts who operate like that. For those the current AM4/DDR4 discounts are a godsend as it means one or two tiers of GPU higher for the same budget.
$250 old gen CPU? Still a bit too expensive, when ~$160 7500f exists. You can literally get cheapest B650 and 7500f for the price of a single chip.
@@andersjjensenI think most people who don't buy new GPU's every two years do exactly that. It only gets replaced when it's hopelessly inadequate or broken.
@@stangamer11517500f is so far down the line it's easy for a $300-500 GPU to be choked by the CPU. Just because a game is GPU bound doesn't mean a slower CPU will produce the same FPS, Black Desert Online is a great example.
@@stangamer1151 Plus a DDR5 bill then your value per dollar for this is no contest, especially considering this is stronger than the 7500f no questions asked if your focus is gaming.
For the Am4 10 year anniversary, I want a 16 core vcache chip
YESSSSSSSSSSSS, PLEASE AMD. YOU'LL BE THE BUDGET GOD.
My enthusiasm is skyrocketing!!
man at this point I'm kind of bummed I went ahead and upgraded to the AM5 socket. They have really given am4 a lot of love. It's nice to see.
Socket AM4, the Eternal Platform, fourth of its name. King of the Pins and the Chiplets, and the first Ryzens, Lord of the Lanes, and Protector of the Board.
Wish the 5600X3D was included in charts
Yes, it's Limited at retail... But that doesn't make it rare enough to ignore.
When I look at GN's benchmark website it is included now
I'm excited as the 5600X3D isn't available over here in Germany which means I can now decide between at least two CPUs once I upgrade my 3700x.
Right now they are obly 20 bucks apart but hopefully it will get cheaper over time
Best decisions in my life have been: meeting my spouse, having a family, building on AM4 platform. AMD delivers again and again
I bought B550 Tomahawk and 5800X3D last winter. Fantastic platform. Not sure why people saying its a dead platform. They act like this wont last 3-4 more years
I went from 2700x to 5600x to 5800x3d over 6 years same motherboard ram and changed GPU from 970 SSC to 1080TI to 3080FTW3 Ultra. My other systems were Intel and I changed everything every time I got a new CPU. Kind wild to think about that. about every year and a half to two years I built new comps and Intel was on a new socket every time.
Upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x3D last year and I've been very happy so far! Hopefully it serves me well for another year or two
Pretty sure it would serve well anyone for many years.
@@Oneiric_Benevolence yeah I mean with that and something like an rx7600XT, you could get away with sticking with it for at least until the next console generation.
Hardware unboxed’s review was better because they got the real box
Steve at HUB has the real genuine box, clearly a better review.
Ayo, new AM4 processors have been announced. Intro aged like fine wine(AMD gfx driver nod)
Still the best channel for pc advice . Really appreciate how much work you guys put into these reviews.