The last time we hear Ruby speak wasn't before she used her semblance, it was after the bird attacked the Jabberwock, she asked the cat 'What's he doing here?'. And I think by now Neo just wants Ruby dead, not kidnapped. Remember Neo's been hunting Ruby for two years, I think her patience has long worn thin. Also there is a strong piece of evidence for the fact that Roman is indeed dead in Remant. It has been two years since the Fall of Beacon and if Roman was alive why has he not done anything to get noticed so that Neo knows he's alive so she can come find him. I'm sure she spent some time looking for him after the Fall but she turns up a year later in Mistral looking for revenge.
Roman and Neo are two of my favorite characters and I would be really happy to see Roman again. And yeah, even if Roman’s dead in canon, in my heart I can believe he’s just chilling at Vacuo somewhere in hiding lol. I agree that the chances of Ruby being kidnapped in episode 5 would be tricky, so I don’t think she’s been kidnapped by Neo just yet. I definitely think there will be a confrontation though, and I hadn’t thought of how Neo getting a clone Roman to enact her revenge would actually be really fitting. I hope we get to learn more about Neo and her relationship with Roman before and after the events of Roman Holiday, so maybe that will come up at some point. Awesome video as usual; you’re defo my fave Rwby TH-camr :D
He wouldn't be in Vacuo. If he was, he'd probably be able to find Neo. Imagine if when he was swallowed whole it was like a way to get to the ever after?
I guess a plausible survival for him would be that he's comatose in some hospital back in Vale. Like maybe he shot his way out of the Griffin, survived the airship crash but due to injuries passed out only to be found and put in hospital under guard but still in really bad condition, hence the medically induced coma, or maybe a normal coma. Man, it'd be such a sad twist if Neo died trying to avenge Roman only for us to later learn he's been unconscious in hospital all this time.
With Neo creating near perfect clones, she can really hammer the psychological pain in addition to physical to Ruby. She can make her Ruby fight clones of her team mates, friends and family. I don't think Neo knows that Jaune mercy killed Penny but if by coincidence Neo creates Jaune and Penny to off each other and if Ruby learns the full truth with Penny's death, this might completely break Ruby.
Segundo ^^ Also (crackpot theory) Neo is going be the one staying behind in this volume. It's a fairytale world where she can bring anything or anyONE into existence... Would you leave if you had that option?
I think Neo would want to stay but Ruby and the others will choose to force her out and bring her back to Remnant even if she is a danger to Ruby. She's too dangerous to leave there since her Jabberwalkers are destroying the citizens of the Ever After.
Fun aside here: Crackpot theories are called such because the pot's ability to hold the merritt sloshing around inside is... lack luster😅 Maybe the pot should be re-made in the ever after too
@@lightdarksoul2097 Question though: Would Neo still be hellbent on hurting everyone after being shown the truth about Roman's death, or after knowing team RWBY has left the world altogether?
I feel that if he "revives" Roman, he will end up with revenge and a misunderstanding If her 'semblance' is to "revive" people and make them work properly then Roman would end up persuading Neo making her doubt her revenge if she revives him.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Ruby wasn't kidnapped. Little is probably just hiding in Ruby's hood and then fell asleep again, and Ruby reached behind her because she tried going for her weapon again even though she doesn't have it, like she did in the first episode. She saw the Jabberwalker as a threat, so it would be instinctual that she would try to reach for her weapon even though she knows she doesn't have it. I wear glasses to see, but when I'm not wearing them, I have tried to readjust them on my face despite knowing they aren't there, and I've done it multiple times.
It’d be really bittersweet if Neo somehow made a Roman clone to comfort herself since she’s in a new world. I doubt that would ever happen, but still. She could also use it to stun/shock Ruby into admitting she saw his death. I don’t think she fully believes Cinder on everything relating to that matter.
If she can make a jabberwalker, she can make a curious cat. That said I don’t know, I love the kidnapping theory though. I definitely want that to be the case.
Something I noticed was that Ruby never regained her emblem. If she was one of Neos illusions at the end, Neo wouldn’t have known she gave it up minutes before
Ya know that that I think about it, what if that scene with Neo at the table infront of the shadows. Is directed towards Ruby. Cause with Neo and Roman they were more along the lines of a mob boss. So maybe she’d do some flashy stuff to taunt and what not.
It's possible Neo would believe Ruby about what happened with Torchwick, if Ruby doesn't know she's facing a clone. If she was kidnapped and brought to Neo then she'll likely have the clone of Torchwick at the ready and Ruby would say something along the lines of "I saw you get eaten by a Griffin! How are you still alive?"
If Neo's semblance is this powerful, how powerful is Jaune's having spent all those years in the EA to hone it? Maybe he can provide an AOE boost to allies without having to touch them, or affect an area of the ground the way Neo's semblance did. Or maybe you have to go to the actual land of the jabberwalker to do that. I've decided that's what that land is - think about it, it's the only creature able to destroy people - it's basically the relic/god of destruction and matches the creature's colours and is where it seems to go when it's wounded so maybe it heals/respawns there and Neo's own creation semblance and destructive intentions interacted with the world's rejuvinating properties for restoring a creature of destruction.
Ruby may not have been the bullet but she most certainly was the gun, if Ruby had nothing to do with Roman's death then so does Cinder considering she put him in the safest option, 3 people are mainly responsible for Roman's death 1 is Cinder 2 is Ruby and 3 is Roman himself. Cinder for strong arming him. Ruby for drawing Roman out on the airship. Roman for losing his temper.
I wonder though if anyone’s semblance would get ‘supercharged’ if they went to the acre of darkness; the god of darkness was the one to give the 1st Gen humans magic, so maybe going there would also give Ruby an advantage as well.
If she is going to have Ruby at a tea party she is coming with every traumatizing figure in her life, not just Roman. She’ll bring summer, ironwood, cinder, penny, Ozpin, Oscar, salem… anyone and everyone to emotionally scar her before she practically begs for her to twist the knife in. As a neo fan. You have no idea how much I want to see those two resolve their issues together. It’s really just… crazy how much they mimic the other if you sit and look. Both had been thrown into their paths earlier than they were ready because of oddly colored eyes. Both have/had older men in their lives that they molded themselves with to the point they added on their aesthetics in their styles. Both lost the most important figure in their lives by means they don’t understand. If that isn’t warrant at least one heart to heart then clearly it shows that they didn’t really give much thought to Neo’s role in the volume than anything but a boss at the end. And I would hate the show for it if she goes out without a spec of respect. She’s not just the pointless waifu character.
If she took Ruby ,it could be she will bring her to the mad tea party. However I don’t think the absence of little here is an indication of her getting snatched. Little disappeared as soon as they started eating the parfait at the table. Doesn’t mean that it couldn’t have happened, there is a long delay from when they run away(and Ruby was behind everyone else, and her showing up to comfort Weiss, but she also comforted her so quick I’m not convinced it’s a Neo clone). Maybe Ruby will get pulled to the mad tea party later, though if she didn’t get got yet. Also honestly I want her to be there to bear Jaune’s story. I think it’s really gonna crush her and push her to the darkness every more.
I don't think Ruby will try to redeem Neo, who's basically remorseless in all that she does. I think the build up will instead be Ruby hitting Neo with a variation of Roman's final monologue, only the hero version in a similar format, something like "The real world is warm. The real world is place for love and happiness. You want to be a villain, then play the part and drop dead like the plague rat you are. As for me, I'll do what I do best, help people, fight evil, slay monsters and SAVE THE WORLD!" right before delivering the finishing blow. Well that or Ruby gets eaten by a gaint bird right at the end.
Yeah, I don't think blaming Roman's death on a Grimm is going to fly here. First, because Ruby was the one causing Roman to have those negative feelings that attracted the Grimm in the first place. Second, she was fighting Roman, distracting him from the surrounding Grimm. And third... third, Ruby absolutely would have killed Roman then and there if it meant saving innocent lives. Putting the responsibility on the Grimm is like saying, "Oh, no officer, I didn't kill him! He just accidentally fell into a pit of lions while I was trying my best to kill him!" If there's any chance of talking Neo down here, it's gonna be by Ruby understanding why Neo is mad at her and going for the sympathy/empathy play.
Hey phoenix/night, been enjoying your Rwby volume 9 content discussions! Keep up the great work! Btw what did you think of my theory that I posted in your episode 5 discussion video? What are your thoughts on my idea?
Hm, these were some very intriguing ideas, it would be interesting if this was the direction they went with, I guess we’ll see, You are pretty good at coming up with these.
Neo might listen to Ruby, because she's seen how Cinder betrays people and lies, besides betraying Neo she also took credit for Neo's work to Salem and found a way around Salem's orders, whereas team RWBY at least treat each other well and don't try to backstab each other. If Ruby repeatedly shows mercy to her, Neo might start to reconsider her assumptions and blame Cinder, who is clearly only out for her own best interests. If Ruby actually realises what Neo is after and says she didn't kill Roman, Neo may start to believe her (after some denial - because she's very wracked with grief right now - and a good fight for us the audience to see of course). I think that's when we'll hopefully see Neo start to get redeemed. The book Roman Holiday to me implies she's going to get that chance because it seems quite sympathetic to her.
Ruby tucked Little somewhere behind her back. Right before Ruby grabs her doll sized team and uses her Semblance to evade a charging Jabberclone, there's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment where you can see Ruby hand puts something behind her back while Little gives off an EEK.
Will so long for Jaune being able to change neo to the good side. However, Phoenix I think to make neo even more powerful is she personally uses her friends ability against her to get her perfect revenge.
Yeah, I doubt there will be any redemption for Neo, she's done too much, even before meeting Cinder she was a murderous little ice cream psycho, and unlike Emerald, Neo has zero remorse for anything she does and even seems to revel in her dark deeds. Best case she calls a truce and agrees to help kill Cinder.
@@dreadrath she's not a psycho murderer she just had a very bad childhood and only had one person in her life and now he's gone. Phoenix made a good point in one of his videos if neo did took the time to Cope her lost.
@@AaronS4 I dunno man. When she was standing over an unconcious Yang back in volume 2 she wore a pretty psycho bloodthirsty smile. She was also looking pretty pleased with herself in volume 3 walking among the corpses of all those Atlas soldiers she murdered on Ironwood's ship before freeing Roman. Neo just seems to enjoy killing even before she became motivated by revenge. That's just the kind of life she's lead. I get that she didn't start out a psycho, but she did become one. Though there's an argument to be made that "Neo" is actually just Trivia's semblance while Trivia is the other half of her personality. One half remorseless killer, and the other half a lost, lonely girl. Been awhile since I read Roman Holiday, but the impression I got was that "Neo" was her imaginary friend given form by her semblance, Neo being a mischievous little rascal even in their younger years. Thus I think if there's any redemption to be had, then it'll be Trivia finally letting go of the alternate persona that is Neo, and by extension, Roman.
It makes some sense that Neo would want recreate the setting of that day. High up in the sky with the land below them in crisis, surrounded by blood thirsty monsters devouring everyone in their path, and the titular criminal duo beating down a lone Huntress determined to stop them. Except this time said Huntress isn't as determined as she used to be and of the criminal duo, one half has gone mad and the other half is just gone.
So if Neo's enhanced abilities can give her the option to bring back Roman Torchwick, why do I feel like the first thing she does is give Roman a BIG OL' HUG?!!! I mean, it still won't bring back the real Roman (since he was eaten by Grimm), but at least this will heal some broken wounds she carried ever since the Fall of Beacon.
I don't think Ruby could've been kidnapped during the battle. At the end of the episode, when the Rusted Knight reveals himself, she reacts along with Black, Weiss & Yang. A Neo Clone wouldn't have reacted at the same time as everyone else. Maybe Ruby put Little into a back compartment on her belt for better protection. Just have to wait & see.
The problem with bringing a talking Roman back is that his VA left RT on less then positive terms, don't get me wrong I'd love to see Roman again but even if we do I doubt he will be talking, that alone may be what drives Neo further over the edge, either she will create a Roman doll that isn't working the way she wants it or she can't make a Roman clone for some reason
You know how the scene rwby volume 1 where pyrrha unlocks jaunes aura she said For it is in passing that we achieve immortality. Through this, we become a paragon of virtue and glory to rise above all. Infinite in distance and unbound by death, I release your soul, and by my shoulder, protect thee. Could that be why tyrian looked at jaune with curiosity not just he is desendant of salem he has 2 aura signatures his and pyrrhas Look at the clips where jaune shield is guided by pyrrha with her polarity in volume 1 look at where volume 8 episode 12 right where jaunes sword clashed with cinders and shattered the shield pulled him away from harm. Bonus You said cinder and pyrrha should share a body because of maiden powers. Jaune would get a familiar feeling from the way his aura is reacting towards cinder. his aura is key to awaken pyrrha within cinder. What are your thoughts give me good answer
I'm just gonna say this here because this a RWBY theory video, and because if it were anywhere else I'd be flamed for it but I'm really hoping Ruby and Neo come to some sort of consensus in this volume, NOW HEAR ME OUT! Ruby, who's clearly having self-identity issues, will eventually evolve into a more rational person, less optimistic and more reckless. Neo, who clearly wants Ruby and the team dead for revenge, has an evolved semblance which is far more useful than simple illusions. This is me coping but I feel like - if RT doesn't botch this - Neo won't die (I cope), but instead makes a deal with Ruby. What I'm theorising might happen is that - after coming from the recent episode - Ruby will eventually seek out Neo on her own without her team realising, feeling less hopeful of the future about fighting Salem and dealing with the fact that she hasn't been her "ideal" huntress self and comes to the conclusion that an ability like Neo's is far more useful against Salem then against them. Still with me? How Ruby and Neo come to bargain is up in the air for me, but I would like to think that Ruby comes up with the contract terms with the following: They all get out of the Ever After Neo helps from the shadows with her new semblance The contract ends when Ruby, Cinder, and Salem all bite the dust. It's a contract that's meant to benefit both. Neo won't send Jabberwocks to terrorise them and she won't have to interact with the team to help. Also, it benefits Neo in that if Ruby and her team die, she wins. If the team SOMEHOW defeats Salem and Cinder, that's also skin of her back. Finally, if all three of her enemies kill each other in the process, she kills three birds with one stone. This contract only lasts until either Neo and Ruby dies in the coming future. Obviously Neo is reluctant because it's extremely dangerous, but at this point Ruby would be willing to have any sort of help so long as Salem dies or at least Team RWBY won't have Neo hunting them. I imagine during negotiations that Neo clones all relevant parties (the team, Salem, Cinder) to act out in a play as dialogue with Ruby. This is a huge crackpot theory, but I really don't want this to be the end of Neo. RT has already wasted Cinder and killed off Arthur, but Neo has so much potential IMO. Ruby at this point would be mentally unstable and dangerous in this scenario which is something I think a lot of people will find interesting. But seriously tho I don't want Neo to die.
While I like the theory I don’t agree because of one thing, the song One Thing! “Kill for kill, eye for eye, blood for blood it’s time to die” Neo isn’t out to capture Ruby, she’s looking for blood. She wants Ruby dead so capturing her wouldn’t be enough in her eyes. Also she’s not a patient girl when driven like this.
I honestly don’t think Neo would care all that much that Ruby didn’t directly kill Roman. Neo might see it as Ruby being the reason they were up on the top of the ship and because Ruby since Neo ok a trip she wasn’t there to protect Roman.
I don’t think that Ruby was kidnapped by Neo. At least not yet. Though I do like the idea of it, and of her making a clone of Roman to let him (or the closest possible facsimile of him) get revenge on Ruby, as well as just generally messing with Ruby’s head. Though speaking of Neo and what’s she getting up to in the Ever After, it’s worth noting that in her cloning of the Jabberwalker, Neo may have inadvertently sealed her own fate. The Jabberwalker is the big threat to the people of the Ever After, the only thing that can perma kill them. Jaune, it would seem, has been battling the Jabberwalker ever since he fell. Killing it, hunting for it when it reincarnates, and killing it again. Repeat ad naseum for like 20-ish years. By creating who knows how many Jabberwalker clones, she’s put the whole Ever After at serious risk, and Jaune is the protector of the Ever After. While I think that Jaune will return to Remnant with team RWBY, I seriously doubt he’ll want to leave Neo in the Ever After where she could wreak havoc basically unopposed. Which means Jaune will either A: want to bring her back with them, or B: kill her before leaving. Now, could Jaune beat her in a one on one fight? I dunno. He’s had a loooong time where he’s probably not done much more than train and fight, so I think he’s stronger now than he was, but at the same time Neo’s semblance in the Ever After is mega OP please nerf. So she could probably just throw clones of herself and the Jabberwalker at him until he tires out. Course, he isn’t alone, and at this point I don’t see team RWBY having an issue with finishing off Neo once and for all before going home.
Believe the reason Ruby reached behind her was her reflex to grab crescent rose. Can definitely see Ruby being taken by Neo and having her go through a type of “tea party” with Roman being the mad hatter.
If Neo does confront Ruby with a Torchwick clone, I think Ruby would talk directly to Torchwick. In a confused manner, she'd exclaim, "How did you survive being swallowed by that Griffin Grimm?" I think Neo is smart enough to know that Ruby isn't that clever to lie that way.
So Neo is essentially the mad hatter right? So if she “dies” in the Everafter shouldn’t she come back (without memories) as the thing she always wanted to be? I wonder if that’s how she’s going to “join” Ruby’s side, assuming that’s the way the show wants to go
Nope lol I know he's probably going to be written as dead within the show but being swallowed alive is not instant death (Coco Adel was swallowed whole and survived just fine) and the griffin flew out of the ship before it crashed (we actually see that in the show). There is evidence to support the idea that Roman lived
(gasp!) OMG! Guys I had like a scary but mind blowing revelation, this may seem obvious, but hear me out…Neo is the Mad Hatter in this twisted version of Alice in Wonderland!!! It makes sense with her powers of illusion getting stronger and the hatter was kind of a trickster in our version of the story. Granted there is not one in the Alex version, but the stories in the Ever After are being reworked and rewritten as RWBY tries to escape this strange world! Anyone agree?
I think Neo will use a clone of Roman to break Ruby and get her to confess the truth. Then Neo will lash out at Ruby when she says Roman was killed by a Grimm. Also Neo will use her other clones to keep Weiss, Blake, Yang, Jaune, and anyone else from interfering her fight with Ruby.
My good youtuber, ever sense Roman died I have done nothing but make head cannon reasons on how they could bring roman back. Literally nothing could make me happier then if they bring roman back.
Yeah Roman dead since if Grimm in goo form is like acid to every thing I doubt the insides of a Grimm wouldn't be the same. Neo is not going to be redeemed. Most likely they are going to take her with them back to Remnant as a prisoner because they can't leave her in the Ever After. That's if she is not killed, eaten by the Jabberwalker, or fakes her death, a clone is killed and Neo just sneak with them to try again and gets back home. If Neo makes a fake Roman, Which I think she will, I HIGHLY doubt it will suddenly have all of Roman's memories even from Ruby. If anything Neo may use some local to get the truth out of Ruby but still want to kill them. After all is not for Ruby Roman wouldn't have been eaten. As For Kidnapping Ruby, I personally think no because there was no time and the jabberwalkers only seem to kill on site.
@@railgun676 It's not really about Roman being powerful. It's more about Roman's drive to survive at any cost and any means necessary. That's the scariest part about his concept.
@@justice8718 Once again. The only reason why Salem survived was because she was immortal curse given to her by the gods. Jin, the all knowing being or knowledge, confirmed that that is the only way a normal person or a person with magic could survive that. If Roman was a silver eyes warrior than maybe given the hound but since Roman was a normal guy he is dead from being eaten by the grimm, double dead when the grimm crashed into the ship and exploded, triple dead from that same ship crashing into the ground, quadruple dead when that ship exploded. No way in hell Roman would survive any of those. I wish there was but there isn't.
@@railgun676 In Salem's case, she was trying to die super brutally. In his case, his powers can literally manifest around it like it has for other characters in dire situations. It doesn't help that his character is largely a mystery for how ordinary he is. But even then, he's so ordinary that I can't help but notice how crazy and suspicious his feats really are. It's like Jar Jar Binks all over again.
Might end everafter jaune maybe neo join ravens crew might gets adult jaune had more experience & neo might not want to be near by rwby join ravens be separate did support
While I don't think Ruby was kidnapped at the end of episode 5, I do like the idea that Neo would try to kidnap her later. It would be a great opportunity to have a twisted version of the Mad Hatter's tea party from Alice in Wonderland. Neo was already been shown to be having some kind of tea party in the intro, so she's clearly being paralleled with the mad hatter. It would make sense for her to throw Ruby some messed up tea party to torture her with clones of ppl she knows before going for the killing blow
No! No, no, no, NO! Will Roman Torchwick appear/return in the ninth volume? He's *usually died* in public. Not gonna lie. 🙂 My apologies, I'm actually stunned/shocked. 🙏
The last time we hear Ruby speak wasn't before she used her semblance, it was after the bird attacked the Jabberwock, she asked the cat 'What's he doing here?'. And I think by now Neo just wants Ruby dead, not kidnapped. Remember Neo's been hunting Ruby for two years, I think her patience has long worn thin.
Also there is a strong piece of evidence for the fact that Roman is indeed dead in Remant. It has been two years since the Fall of Beacon and if Roman was alive why has he not done anything to get noticed so that Neo knows he's alive so she can come find him. I'm sure she spent some time looking for him after the Fall but she turns up a year later in Mistral looking for revenge.
We don't know everything about Roman. He might be way stranger than he appears. Inhuman.
He could have amnesia that’s one theory
Roman and Neo are two of my favorite characters and I would be really happy to see Roman again. And yeah, even if Roman’s dead in canon, in my heart I can believe he’s just chilling at Vacuo somewhere in hiding lol. I agree that the chances of Ruby being kidnapped in episode 5 would be tricky, so I don’t think she’s been kidnapped by Neo just yet. I definitely think there will be a confrontation though, and I hadn’t thought of how Neo getting a clone Roman to enact her revenge would actually be really fitting. I hope we get to learn more about Neo and her relationship with Roman before and after the events of Roman Holiday, so maybe that will come up at some point. Awesome video as usual; you’re defo my fave Rwby TH-camr :D
He wouldn't be in Vacuo. If he was, he'd probably be able to find Neo. Imagine if when he was swallowed whole it was like a way to get to the ever after?
I guess a plausible survival for him would be that he's comatose in some hospital back in Vale. Like maybe he shot his way out of the Griffin, survived the airship crash but due to injuries passed out only to be found and put in hospital under guard but still in really bad condition, hence the medically induced coma, or maybe a normal coma. Man, it'd be such a sad twist if Neo died trying to avenge Roman only for us to later learn he's been unconscious in hospital all this time.
With Neo creating near perfect clones, she can really hammer the psychological pain in addition to physical to Ruby. She can make her Ruby fight clones of her team mates, friends and family. I don't think Neo knows that Jaune mercy killed Penny but if by coincidence Neo creates Jaune and Penny to off each other and if Ruby learns the full truth with Penny's death, this might completely break Ruby.
Neo can create clones of Penny. In fact, she transformed into Penny while fighting against Ruby during the fall
Segundo ^^ Also (crackpot theory) Neo is going be the one staying behind in this volume. It's a fairytale world where she can bring anything or anyONE into existence... Would you leave if you had that option?
I think Neo would want to stay but Ruby and the others will choose to force her out and bring her back to Remnant even if she is a danger to Ruby. She's too dangerous to leave there since her Jabberwalkers are destroying the citizens of the Ever After.
Fun aside here: Crackpot theories are called such because the pot's ability to hold the merritt sloshing around inside is... lack luster😅 Maybe the pot should be re-made in the ever after too
Nah I wouldn't call that a crack theory, i for sure think Neopolitan won't make it out of the Ever After
@@lightdarksoul2097 Question though: Would Neo still be hellbent on hurting everyone after being shown the truth about Roman's death, or after knowing team RWBY has left the world altogether?
@@SliceOfRandom doubt she'd like them but she has no reason to make trouble. She would want Cinder
I feel that if he "revives" Roman, he will end up with revenge and a misunderstanding
If her 'semblance' is to "revive" people and make them work properly then Roman would end up persuading Neo making her doubt her revenge if she revives him.
I love Roman Torchwick and I love your video that talks about him, thanks about your beautiful work 🧡
Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos!
I guess next episode it's Tea Time
Also The Cat is ever so easy to distract and we know that Neo could easily distract the cat
Imma take a guess that ruby will get kidnapped by neo right after jaune tells her about him mercy killing penny.
Jaune did not mercy kill Penny. He murdered her in cold blood.
@@theguyof360 Penny made the choice by her will I really hate saying it but it's true
I can’t wait to see your breakdown for the next episode!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy my reviews! The next episode is set up to be a lot so I'm really looking forward to it as well 😊
@@PhoenixNight I think your mind is going to be blown.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Ruby wasn't kidnapped. Little is probably just hiding in Ruby's hood and then fell asleep again, and Ruby reached behind her because she tried going for her weapon again even though she doesn't have it, like she did in the first episode. She saw the Jabberwalker as a threat, so it would be instinctual that she would try to reach for her weapon even though she knows she doesn't have it. I wear glasses to see, but when I'm not wearing them, I have tried to readjust them on my face despite knowing they aren't there, and I've done it multiple times.
You did it! You've made another video about Roman Torchwick returning!!! Now I need to return.
It’d be really bittersweet if Neo somehow made a Roman clone to comfort herself since she’s in a new world. I doubt that would ever happen, but still.
She could also use it to stun/shock Ruby into admitting she saw his death. I don’t think she fully believes Cinder on everything relating to that matter.
If she can make a jabberwalker, she can make a curious cat. That said I don’t know, I love the kidnapping theory though. I definitely want that to be the case.
Something I noticed was that Ruby never regained her emblem. If she was one of Neos illusions at the end, Neo wouldn’t have known she gave it up minutes before
Hmmm,I can see that happening since Neo has some Unfinished Business but I don't think she'll listen when Ruby tells her that she didn't murder Roman.
I said that Neo could possibly due some WANDAVISION stuff with her Semblance in the Ever After, like create another Roman Torchwick.
Ya know that that I think about it, what if that scene with Neo at the table infront of the shadows. Is directed towards Ruby. Cause with Neo and Roman they were more along the lines of a mob boss. So maybe she’d do some flashy stuff to taunt and what not.
It's possible Neo would believe Ruby about what happened with Torchwick, if Ruby doesn't know she's facing a clone. If she was kidnapped and brought to Neo then she'll likely have the clone of Torchwick at the ready and Ruby would say something along the lines of "I saw you get eaten by a Griffin! How are you still alive?"
i feel like the words "I saw you get eaten by a Griffin! How are you still alive?" may feel like mocking to neo in my opinion.
its the markiplier clip: "How are you alive?!"
HES BACK
If Neo's semblance is this powerful, how powerful is Jaune's having spent all those years in the EA to hone it? Maybe he can provide an AOE boost to allies without having to touch them, or affect an area of the ground the way Neo's semblance did.
Or maybe you have to go to the actual land of the jabberwalker to do that. I've decided that's what that land is - think about it, it's the only creature able to destroy people - it's basically the relic/god of destruction and matches the creature's colours and is where it seems to go when it's wounded so maybe it heals/respawns there and Neo's own creation semblance and destructive intentions interacted with the world's rejuvinating properties for restoring a creature of destruction.
AOE like Boundless Jaune from Amity arena
It’s probably a stretch but I hope Neo and Ruby come to a truce. Mostly because I don’t want neo to die.
Ruby may not have been the bullet but she most certainly was the gun, if Ruby had nothing to do with Roman's death then so does Cinder considering she put him in the safest option, 3 people are mainly responsible for Roman's death 1 is Cinder 2 is Ruby and 3 is Roman himself. Cinder for strong arming him. Ruby for drawing Roman out on the airship. Roman for losing his temper.
I wonder though if anyone’s semblance would get ‘supercharged’ if they went to the acre of darkness; the god of darkness was the one to give the 1st Gen humans magic, so maybe going there would also give Ruby an advantage as well.
If she is going to have Ruby at a tea party she is coming with every traumatizing figure in her life, not just Roman. She’ll bring summer, ironwood, cinder, penny, Ozpin, Oscar, salem… anyone and everyone to emotionally scar her before she practically begs for her to twist the knife in.
As a neo fan. You have no idea how much I want to see those two resolve their issues together. It’s really just… crazy how much they mimic the other if you sit and look. Both had been thrown into their paths earlier than they were ready because of oddly colored eyes. Both have/had older men in their lives that they molded themselves with to the point they added on their aesthetics in their styles. Both lost the most important figure in their lives by means they don’t understand. If that isn’t warrant at least one heart to heart then clearly it shows that they didn’t really give much thought to Neo’s role in the volume than anything but a boss at the end.
And I would hate the show for it if she goes out without a spec of respect. She’s not just the pointless waifu character.
If she took Ruby ,it could be she will bring her to the mad tea party. However I don’t think the absence of little here is an indication of her getting snatched. Little disappeared as soon as they started eating the parfait at the table. Doesn’t mean that it couldn’t have happened, there is a long delay from when they run away(and Ruby was behind everyone else, and her showing up to comfort Weiss, but she also comforted her so quick I’m not convinced it’s a Neo clone). Maybe Ruby will get pulled to the mad tea party later, though if she didn’t get got yet. Also honestly I want her to be there to bear Jaune’s story. I think it’s really gonna crush her and push her to the darkness every more.
I need Roman in the Maya engine. I *neeeed* it!
Same! We have to see Roman again this volume!
I don't think Ruby will try to redeem Neo, who's basically remorseless in all that she does. I think the build up will instead be Ruby hitting Neo with a variation of Roman's final monologue, only the hero version in a similar format, something like "The real world is warm. The real world is place for love and happiness. You want to be a villain, then play the part and drop dead like the plague rat you are. As for me, I'll do what I do best, help people, fight evil, slay monsters and SAVE THE WORLD!" right before delivering the finishing blow. Well that or Ruby gets eaten by a gaint bird right at the end.
Yeah, I don't think blaming Roman's death on a Grimm is going to fly here. First, because Ruby was the one causing Roman to have those negative feelings that attracted the Grimm in the first place. Second, she was fighting Roman, distracting him from the surrounding Grimm. And third... third, Ruby absolutely would have killed Roman then and there if it meant saving innocent lives. Putting the responsibility on the Grimm is like saying, "Oh, no officer, I didn't kill him! He just accidentally fell into a pit of lions while I was trying my best to kill him!"
If there's any chance of talking Neo down here, it's gonna be by Ruby understanding why Neo is mad at her and going for the sympathy/empathy play.
Hey phoenix/night, been enjoying your Rwby volume 9 content discussions! Keep up the great work! Btw what did you think of my theory that I posted in your episode 5 discussion video? What are your thoughts on my idea?
Hm, these were some very intriguing ideas, it would be interesting if this was the direction they went with, I guess we’ll see,
You are pretty good at coming up with these.
Neo might listen to Ruby, because she's seen how Cinder betrays people and lies, besides betraying Neo she also took credit for Neo's work to Salem and found a way around Salem's orders, whereas team RWBY at least treat each other well and don't try to backstab each other. If Ruby repeatedly shows mercy to her, Neo might start to reconsider her assumptions and blame Cinder, who is clearly only out for her own best interests.
If Ruby actually realises what Neo is after and says she didn't kill Roman, Neo may start to believe her (after some denial - because she's very wracked with grief right now - and a good fight for us the audience to see of course).
I think that's when we'll hopefully see Neo start to get redeemed. The book Roman Holiday to me implies she's going to get that chance because it seems quite sympathetic to her.
Ruby tucked Little somewhere behind her back. Right before Ruby grabs her doll sized team and uses her Semblance to evade a charging Jabberclone, there's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment where you can see Ruby hand puts something behind her back while Little gives off an EEK.
Great video
Will so long for Jaune being able to change neo to the good side. However, Phoenix I think to make neo even more powerful is she personally uses her friends ability against her to get her perfect revenge.
Yeah, I doubt there will be any redemption for Neo, she's done too much, even before meeting Cinder she was a murderous little ice cream psycho, and unlike Emerald, Neo has zero remorse for anything she does and even seems to revel in her dark deeds. Best case she calls a truce and agrees to help kill Cinder.
@@dreadrath she's not a psycho murderer she just had a very bad childhood and only had one person in her life and now he's gone. Phoenix made a good point in one of his videos if neo did took the time to Cope her lost.
@@AaronS4 I dunno man. When she was standing over an unconcious Yang back in volume 2 she wore a pretty psycho bloodthirsty smile. She was also looking pretty pleased with herself in volume 3 walking among the corpses of all those Atlas soldiers she murdered on Ironwood's ship before freeing Roman. Neo just seems to enjoy killing even before she became motivated by revenge. That's just the kind of life she's lead.
I get that she didn't start out a psycho, but she did become one. Though there's an argument to be made that "Neo" is actually just Trivia's semblance while Trivia is the other half of her personality. One half remorseless killer, and the other half a lost, lonely girl. Been awhile since I read Roman Holiday, but the impression I got was that "Neo" was her imaginary friend given form by her semblance, Neo being a mischievous little rascal even in their younger years. Thus I think if there's any redemption to be had, then it'll be Trivia finally letting go of the alternate persona that is Neo, and by extension, Roman.
It makes some sense that Neo would want recreate the setting of that day. High up in the sky with the land below them in crisis, surrounded by blood thirsty monsters devouring everyone in their path, and the titular criminal duo beating down a lone Huntress determined to stop them. Except this time said Huntress isn't as determined as she used to be and of the criminal duo, one half has gone mad and the other half is just gone.
If Rwby got kidnapped then yes the curious cat would be there too, so curiosity killed the cat.
I haven't thought about that
The Ruby clone makes sense. If you look at the theme song you see that weirdly smiling Ruby on the bridge.
So if Neo's enhanced abilities can give her the option to bring back Roman Torchwick, why do I feel like the first thing she does is give Roman a BIG OL' HUG?!!! I mean, it still won't bring back the real Roman (since he was eaten by Grimm), but at least this will heal some broken wounds she carried ever since the Fall of Beacon.
The Jabberwalkers she sent can talk so Neo's creations can talk now.
0:40 Hopefully this part right here might be true.......
I wouldn’t be surprised of this happened although I still think that was Ruby at the end of the episode she used her semblance for quiet out loud
It's likely Jaune will get Team RWBY to come around on the idea of working with Neo to get out.
I don't think Ruby could've been kidnapped during the battle. At the end of the episode, when the Rusted Knight reveals himself, she reacts along with Black, Weiss & Yang. A Neo Clone wouldn't have reacted at the same time as everyone else. Maybe Ruby put Little into a back compartment on her belt for better protection. Just have to wait & see.
The problem with bringing a talking Roman back is that his VA left RT on less then positive terms, don't get me wrong I'd love to see Roman again but even if we do I doubt he will be talking, that alone may be what drives Neo further over the edge, either she will create a Roman doll that isn't working the way she wants it or she can't make a Roman clone for some reason
If he does return that be amazing
You know how the scene rwby volume 1 where pyrrha unlocks jaunes aura she said For it is in passing that we achieve immortality. Through this, we become a paragon of virtue and glory to rise above all. Infinite in distance and unbound by death, I release your soul, and by my shoulder, protect thee. Could that be why tyrian looked at jaune with curiosity not just he is desendant of salem he has 2 aura signatures his and pyrrhas Look at the clips where jaune shield is guided by pyrrha with her polarity in volume 1 look at where volume 8 episode 12 right where jaunes sword clashed with cinders and shattered the shield pulled him away from harm.
Bonus You said cinder and pyrrha should share a body because of maiden powers.
Jaune would get a familiar feeling from the way his aura is reacting towards cinder.
his aura is key to awaken pyrrha within cinder. What are your thoughts give me good answer
I'm just gonna say this here because this a RWBY theory video, and because if it were anywhere else I'd be flamed for it but I'm really hoping Ruby and Neo come to some sort of consensus in this volume, NOW HEAR ME OUT!
Ruby, who's clearly having self-identity issues, will eventually evolve into a more rational person, less optimistic and more reckless. Neo, who clearly wants Ruby and the team dead for revenge, has an evolved semblance which is far more useful than simple illusions.
This is me coping but I feel like - if RT doesn't botch this - Neo won't die (I cope), but instead makes a deal with Ruby. What I'm theorising might happen is that - after coming from the recent episode - Ruby will eventually seek out Neo on her own without her team realising, feeling less hopeful of the future about fighting Salem and dealing with the fact that she hasn't been her "ideal" huntress self and comes to the conclusion that an ability like Neo's is far more useful against Salem then against them.
Still with me?
How Ruby and Neo come to bargain is up in the air for me, but I would like to think that Ruby comes up with the contract terms with the following:
They all get out of the Ever After
Neo helps from the shadows with her new semblance
The contract ends when Ruby, Cinder, and Salem all bite the dust.
It's a contract that's meant to benefit both. Neo won't send Jabberwocks to terrorise them and she won't have to interact with the team to help. Also, it benefits Neo in that if Ruby and her team die, she wins. If the team SOMEHOW defeats Salem and Cinder, that's also skin of her back. Finally, if all three of her enemies kill each other in the process, she kills three birds with one stone.
This contract only lasts until either Neo and Ruby dies in the coming future. Obviously Neo is reluctant because it's extremely dangerous, but at this point Ruby would be willing to have any sort of help so long as Salem dies or at least Team RWBY won't have Neo hunting them. I imagine during negotiations that Neo clones all relevant parties (the team, Salem, Cinder) to act out in a play as dialogue with Ruby.
This is a huge crackpot theory, but I really don't want this to be the end of Neo. RT has already wasted Cinder and killed off Arthur, but Neo has so much potential IMO. Ruby at this point would be mentally unstable and dangerous in this scenario which is something I think a lot of people will find interesting.
But seriously tho I don't want Neo to die.
While I like the theory I don’t agree because of one thing, the song One Thing! “Kill for kill, eye for eye, blood for blood it’s time to die” Neo isn’t out to capture Ruby, she’s looking for blood. She wants Ruby dead so capturing her wouldn’t be enough in her eyes. Also she’s not a patient girl when driven like this.
I honestly don’t think Neo would care all that much that Ruby didn’t directly kill Roman. Neo might see it as Ruby being the reason they were up on the top of the ship and because Ruby since Neo ok a trip she wasn’t there to protect Roman.
I don’t think that Ruby was kidnapped by Neo. At least not yet. Though I do like the idea of it, and of her making a clone of Roman to let him (or the closest possible facsimile of him) get revenge on Ruby, as well as just generally messing with Ruby’s head.
Though speaking of Neo and what’s she getting up to in the Ever After, it’s worth noting that in her cloning of the Jabberwalker, Neo may have inadvertently sealed her own fate.
The Jabberwalker is the big threat to the people of the Ever After, the only thing that can perma kill them. Jaune, it would seem, has been battling the Jabberwalker ever since he fell. Killing it, hunting for it when it reincarnates, and killing it again. Repeat ad naseum for like 20-ish years. By creating who knows how many Jabberwalker clones, she’s put the whole Ever After at serious risk, and Jaune is the protector of the Ever After.
While I think that Jaune will return to Remnant with team RWBY, I seriously doubt he’ll want to leave Neo in the Ever After where she could wreak havoc basically unopposed. Which means Jaune will either A: want to bring her back with them, or B: kill her before leaving.
Now, could Jaune beat her in a one on one fight? I dunno. He’s had a loooong time where he’s probably not done much more than train and fight, so I think he’s stronger now than he was, but at the same time Neo’s semblance in the Ever After is mega OP please nerf. So she could probably just throw clones of herself and the Jabberwalker at him until he tires out.
Course, he isn’t alone, and at this point I don’t see team RWBY having an issue with finishing off Neo once and for all before going home.
I hope Jaune saves neo from her hate they both share the same pain in Jaune will pick that once they meet and exchange blows.
OH SHE'S THE MAD HATTER
HOW AM I SO DUMB
Believe the reason Ruby reached behind her was her reflex to grab crescent rose. Can definitely see Ruby being taken by Neo and having her go through a type of “tea party” with Roman being the mad hatter.
If Neo does confront Ruby with a Torchwick clone, I think Ruby would talk directly to Torchwick. In a confused manner, she'd exclaim, "How did you survive being swallowed by that Griffin Grimm?" I think Neo is smart enough to know that Ruby isn't that clever to lie that way.
This guy right here is the only man who can get me to have hope to see Roman again. Lol
So Neo is essentially the mad hatter right? So if she “dies” in the Everafter shouldn’t she come back (without memories) as the thing she always wanted to be? I wonder if that’s how she’s going to “join” Ruby’s side, assuming that’s the way the show wants to go
I just hope ruby rose talks to neo that she did not kill romantorchwick
i feel like people have forgotten that mantle and atlas citizens fall into the ever after as well
Yes I like your idea
I just want ruby to find h her crescent rose and get her mother emblem back from the teapot lady and get back her courage and hope back
As long as Roman reappears for more than a few seconds, I’ll be happy 😊
You really don't want to give up about this Roman Theory
Nope lol
I know he's probably going to be written as dead within the show but being swallowed alive is not instant death (Coco Adel was swallowed whole and survived just fine) and the griffin flew out of the ship before it crashed (we actually see that in the show). There is evidence to support the idea that Roman lived
(gasp!) OMG! Guys I had like a scary but mind blowing revelation, this may seem obvious, but hear me out…Neo is the Mad Hatter in this twisted version of Alice in Wonderland!!! It makes sense with her powers of illusion getting stronger and the hatter was kind of a trickster in our version of the story. Granted there is not one in the Alex version, but the stories in the Ever After are being reworked and rewritten as RWBY tries to escape this strange world! Anyone agree?
I think that they forgot to put in little is there screen
I think Neo will use a clone of Roman to break Ruby and get her to confess the truth. Then Neo will lash out at Ruby when she says Roman was killed by a Grimm. Also Neo will use her other clones to keep Weiss, Blake, Yang, Jaune, and anyone else from interfering her fight with Ruby.
if neo would have the chance to kill ruby even though it wasn’t her fault that Roman died, It won’t changed anything, it won’t bring Roman back
We saw Little run off immediately. That's why they weren't there.
If Roman back will he a new voice or is the same one
You just can't let Torchwick go 🫤
We never see Little until the plot/screen focuses on him. This is a very unlikely theory
Ruby was last in line, so while their running, she could get captured then.
My good youtuber, ever sense Roman died I have done nothing but make head cannon reasons on how they could bring roman back. Literally nothing could make me happier then if they bring roman back.
I don't think the cat really has any allegiance, if it had notices anything it's probably not going to mention it tbh
Actually even if Neo found out how Roman was killed she wouldn't care in her mind Ruby could have tried to save him but she just let him die
Yeah Roman dead since if Grimm in goo form is like acid to every thing I doubt the insides of a Grimm wouldn't be the same. Neo is not going to be redeemed. Most likely they are going to take her with them back to Remnant as a prisoner because they can't leave her in the Ever After. That's if she is not killed, eaten by the Jabberwalker, or fakes her death, a clone is killed and Neo just sneak with them to try again and gets back home. If Neo makes a fake Roman, Which I think she will, I HIGHLY doubt it will suddenly have all of Roman's memories even from Ruby. If anything Neo may use some local to get the truth out of Ruby but still want to kill them. After all is not for Ruby Roman wouldn't have been eaten. As For Kidnapping Ruby, I personally think no because there was no time and the jabberwalkers only seem to kill on site.
What if Roman got Salam'd and hasn't became sane enough to do anything?
@@justice8718 Salem only survived because she is immortal. Roman got swag but his swag ain't that powerful.
@@railgun676 It's not really about Roman being powerful. It's more about Roman's drive to survive at any cost and any means necessary. That's the scariest part about his concept.
@@justice8718 Once again. The only reason why Salem survived was because she was immortal curse given to her by the gods. Jin, the all knowing being or knowledge, confirmed that that is the only way a normal person or a person with magic could survive that. If Roman was a silver eyes warrior than maybe given the hound but since Roman was a normal guy he is dead from being eaten by the grimm, double dead when the grimm crashed into the ship and exploded, triple dead from that same ship crashing into the ground, quadruple dead when that ship exploded. No way in hell Roman would survive any of those. I wish there was but there isn't.
@@railgun676 In Salem's case, she was trying to die super brutally. In his case, his powers can literally manifest around it like it has for other characters in dire situations. It doesn't help that his character is largely a mystery for how ordinary he is. But even then, he's so ordinary that I can't help but notice how crazy and suspicious his feats really are. It's like Jar Jar Binks all over again.
Bruh
You called it
Boy do I have news for you
It's a good theory, But I don't think it will quite happen this way
The cat is not associated with Neo
Neo wasn't at that fight
This is where we learn that Roman was a clone the whole time.
Might end everafter jaune maybe neo join ravens crew might gets adult jaune had more experience & neo might not want to be near by rwby join ravens be separate did support
Neo kills Little.
While I don't think Ruby was kidnapped at the end of episode 5, I do like the idea that Neo would try to kidnap her later. It would be a great opportunity to have a twisted version of the Mad Hatter's tea party from Alice in Wonderland. Neo was already been shown to be having some kind of tea party in the intro, so she's clearly being paralleled with the mad hatter. It would make sense for her to throw Ruby some messed up tea party to torture her with clones of ppl she knows before going for the killing blow
maybe the final three when ruby regains her hoper again if she turned into alyx and changes back to ruby.
Seeing as RT doesn't know how to redeem characters properly (Adam, Ironwood, Emerald, etc), Neo will most likely die in this volume.
Nope
No! No, no, no, NO!
Will Roman Torchwick appear/return in the ninth volume?
He's *usually died* in public. Not gonna lie. 🙂
My apologies, I'm actually stunned/shocked. 🙏
What if Jaune is being coerced into helping Neo. His power does boost the powers of others. It would explain Neo doing more than one clone at a time.
nope
First