Never really cared for Haslab. It always felt so grossly insulting, like was does such a large corporation need to crowdfund playsets when not only they just used to sell these, but other companies still do it? (and I know why designers explain why, they're given small budgets, but it's not them that makes Hasbro so evil, it's the higher ups that do nothing but layoff talented and passionate individuals so they can give themselves a bigger bonus). With Haslab, not only do they feel overpriced, but the limited release and artificial scarcity add to the FOMO overpriced manipulative evil that is Haslab.
Technically they aren’t crowdfunding. They’re made to order, and require enough orders to make a profit, but they aren’t confident in them getting the necessary sales at retail. From a business perspective it makes sense. And the customer gets the closest Hasbro will ever get to making Masterpiece figures.
While i mostly agree with your point about how the deluxe versions shouldn't exist, i want to give a slight correction on the Mos Eisley cantina. The base version does have the booth wall, the deluxe version just has a second booth wall to box the room off.
Thinking about the possibility of Gigatron being a Haslab, there's a few ideas that immediately come to my mind. This is purely speculation based on past figures and the trends in the recent Haslabs that you brought to my attention: The figure's height would be difficult to determine since the "source bible" for the series just describes character traits instead of measurements. I also couldn't use the TFWiki page because no sources were cited for the entries (it said Optimus's Super Mode is 6.5 meters while Gigatron himself is at 7 meters). Instead, I used Skybyte standing next to Devil Gigatron during the reformatting scene of the Decepticons where he stood at waist height. We already have a leaked Voyager Class Skybyte due out in July, so I used another voyager like Vector Prime for an approximation. The head-to-head scale in one the mentioned shot puts Devil Gigatron at ~10in figure scale, which means he'd be about as tall as Legacy Armada Optimus Prime in his super mode. This also makes him slightly shorter than Haslab Optimus's Super Mode (not Omega) unless the designers want to adjust his height. In terms of figure improvements over the original I own, there's a few very likely things. Proper ankle joints as well as firm ratchets in the hips are a given (can't have it fall over like the original). A hip swivel is questionable since he'd need to arch his back for the claw mode. Arms are mostly the same, though I can't imagine an occasion where he'd need poseable fingers to hold something. The head can get a new joint to look up/down. The most improvements will be on the back. The wings can get ratchets at the base of the joint to maintain their angle better than the original, a new ratchet in the middle of the wing joint, as well as a way to "peg" in the extending wing flaps so that they can stay fixed. I'd also be interested to see a locking assembly for the dragon head+neck so that it isn't loose anymore. For the other modes, everything else is mostly unchanged aside from locking mechanisms that make the conversions feel solid and not fall apart (car mode, boat mode, etc). The twin swords would lose the firing mechanism but gain blast effect compatibility at the hilt and along the blades. For paint, they'll follow similar cues from Optimus and not use chrome on contact surfaces. If possible, I'd also not want translucent red pieces for the claws and the sword. (I will get to Devil Gigatron down below). Just assume the standard paint scheme is his black armor. For tier unlocks, I'm not optimistic. He WOULD need a stand so that he can fly in his various modes, as well as support for his standing robot mode. For a higher tier, he might include large-scale fire blast effects for his dragon modes to use. He might also include an Autobot protoform pod so that you can recreate him "stealing" it and reprogramming it into another figure. **I don't think the three Predacon goons are likely** because Transmetal 2 designs haven't been touched aside from Megatron and Tigerhawk. They'd also demand their own sprues/paint to raise the price. Something more likely are the Autobot spy changers at Micromaster scale (whether they use new tooling or repaint existing ones are up in the air). One last idea is a red car shell you can put over his car mode to recreate the scene where he catfishes Sideburn. Based on the trends you showed me in the video, a "base" package would just include Gigatron in his normal colors while a "deluxe" package includes two figures (One for Gigatron, the other for Devil Gigatron). Knowing how greedy Hasbro is, they'd likely throw tiers on top of the purchase so there's no guarantee to getting everything offered. It's a nonzero chance that he becomes a Haslab since the reuse potential doesn't have anything striking come to mind and that his size would demand a commander pricepoint. Outside of Megatron/Galvatron, I don't see either the BW Megatron nor Deathsaurus repaints being likely. We'll have to wait and see what next year's haslab will bring, my money is on it being something related to the Primes since the new line is about to start.
The Star Wars one did fully funded, but it didn’t break all the stretch goals. The very last one wasn’t meant so People who are getting that werewolf alien figure
I agree that RiD Galvatron doesn't need a HasLab UNLESS you want him to be roughly the same size as Omega Prime. He isn't normally that big, but he was in the finale after being pumped up on Fortress Maximus juice. However, given that you can repaint him into RiD Megatron, Deathsaurus and Beast Wars Megatron, I don't want him locked behind a HasLab either. FWI: I was the one that coined the term "Predacon Stoogies" back in the day, super cool to see the term still being used for them! 🤩
I'm pretty sure the reason for the for the base version vs the deluxe version is so that if the deluxe version (which would be the "regular" version) is too pricey, there is a (slighty) less expensive version you can get instead and still get the HasLab funded.
I just thought about this right now but if we are getting gigatron as a haslab the deluxe model will probably be a galvatron inclusion. Either that or with the new price adjustment of titan class figures we may get a mainline release and then a selects release. Edit: while this may sound good at first for a deluxe model this could potentially evolve into something where you only get 1 out of the 2 figures needed for a set and you will have to pay extra.
@@solsticeburst787 i imagine he'd be a titan now. If anything, just for a selects Galvatron release. If he is a Haslab, I'd hope the Deluxe version would include the last 3 Predacons (slapper, gas skunk, dark scream)
Never backed a Haslab. Never will. Hasbro is a really scummy company. Haslab is an obvious rip-off. Marvel Legends Giant-Man crowdfunded = $199.99. Transformers Titan Class regular retail = $199.99. ????WTF?????
It still feels wrong that Hasbro is in the crowdfunding game. Ive backed quite a few Kickstarters for boardgames in the past and this "new" trend they are experimenting with you are talking about is very common. A publisher will offer a base product, and a deluxe package. In gaming it might be one version has cool miniatures and what not to enhance the experience while the other just has standees or something. The projects will still have tier unlocks, typically little expansions or maybe component upgrades that everyone can enjoy. Hasbro is simply copying this method, as it increases the appeal and the fomo thus encouraging more people to back. The feel of an event vs what this actually is. A preorder. And thats where i get sketchy on my feelings for this because a small publisher doing this on Kickstarter makes sense, they literally can't make the product without crowdfunding. But Hasbro ... Can. They just don't see a need because well. We along with the other fandoms have proven we will buy this stuff for whatever reason. Ive backed 3 now, because they are characters i want and this is the only way to get them. It sucks but its whats going on. I will say Unicron did seem to make sense as a haslab. Victory saber... Did not Deathsaurus ... Did not BUT he certainly felt like a premium product that was worth it. Omega prime ... Well to quote wheelie. "have no doubt we'll soon find out."
@@TTMMH42 i agree with Star Saber and Deathsaurus. It really felt like those could've been retail, especially Star Saber. The "Haslab" portions of characters like Victory Saber and Omega Prime are the combination guys. I would bet if Star Saber/Fire Convoy was a commander, we wouldn't have seen Victory Leo/God Magnus at retail. I'm happy we're getting the full package and the TF ones at least FEEL like they're worthwhile but if they're expecting people to fork over 300 for a Gigatron thats just BIGGER when he's less than 60 online...its gonna be a tough sell
I don't know how I feel about that. As a Victory fan I've wanted Star Sabre and Deathsaurus for a while. If HasLab is what it took to get them well... I'm fine with that. My issue with HasLab is.... well... what this video is about. When they start gating "normal" and "deluxe" versions off. If you're going to do crowdfunded products then it needs to be very straightforward and transparent.
Rancor, Extended times, patches, short 100 to tier screw jobs, odd number fudging. Hasbro doesn't have to be held to any rules like kickstarter and gofund me, which is really scummy. Tully totally should have been a 14k tier. Hasbro screwed over tens of thousands of prior haslab backers. Does Hasbro really need 3 million to fund a project... they can fund it themselves and they can do made to order, they can beat the mold and make the 4 or 5 variant models and make 10x the money. Hasbro doesn't need 3 million. I cancelled 3 Giantman because it took me almost 30 days through calling and multiple emails to get them to tell me we would NEVER get the skrull face plate. I honestly would like to have seen if the Ecto 1 would fail if they couldn't get Tully. Haslab should not be doing early birds, they should do made to order. They make 200 to 400 dollar retail helmets, props and masterpieces. Haslab is just scummy especially when we are mostly getting retail product, or at most exclusive made to order product. Hasbro has guaranteed done at least 1 or 2 scummy things with every lab.
I'm not one for Haslab for it seems overprice for the majority of the stuff they do and have never have supported it. Cantina is the only one that I can see justified due that I 3D print playsets for my TFs. Its time consuming and there is cost to it with equipment and materials. Also the little glasses and all with it.
Yea, the transformers haslabs are way better so far. If you break them down, they aren't really upcharged at all. Idk about unicron, tho, he was really expensive. I think Gigatron is perfect for a haslab, he has to be massive and have 11 alt modes that need to be better than the original toy, if he was anything less than a titan, the figure would suffer
Though I agree with the title of this, your video is just gaslighting. If you can't figure out which wall you're getting, look at the pictures. You've never heard of tiers? They've done it quite frequently for 4 years. The only difference between this years and the last ones is the deluxe versions with Ecto and the Cantina. That is the least confusing aspect of your attempt at gaslighting to figure out. You are just complaining about anything and everything. Pick a reason and back it up. Don't just be a Karen.
Someone doesn't understand the definition of gaslighting and clearly has never actually experienced gaslighting before (good for you. Hope you never have to go through it. Just shouldn't be a Karen and throw out big trauma words that have real meaning and real impacts just because you happen to disagree with someone else's opinions)
In what way is this gaslighting? The "Wall" that you're talking about isnt shown in the Basic vs Deluxe images, which I point out. I clearly state how I feel about previous haslabs and the tiers associated with them and how I think this is different from those. Go ahead and rewatch the video, I'll take the watch time. The "reason" btw is the video title
I think you misunderstood of the videos point, he's not being a Karen and complaining he's actually showing concern for the future of the Transformers, i see no Gaslighting in this Video...Honestly the only one Gaslighting in your words is you saying things that isn't even their
Never really cared for Haslab. It always felt so grossly insulting, like was does such a large corporation need to crowdfund playsets when not only they just used to sell these, but other companies still do it? (and I know why designers explain why, they're given small budgets, but it's not them that makes Hasbro so evil, it's the higher ups that do nothing but layoff talented and passionate individuals so they can give themselves a bigger bonus). With Haslab, not only do they feel overpriced, but the limited release and artificial scarcity add to the FOMO overpriced manipulative evil that is Haslab.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile feeling that way lately
I can see a HasLab PowerMaster Prime with a deluxe including Godbombet
Gigatron probably won’t be a HasLab. They could easily do him at a Commndet price
Technically they aren’t crowdfunding. They’re made to order, and require enough orders to make a profit, but they aren’t confident in them getting the necessary sales at retail.
From a business perspective it makes sense. And the customer gets the closest Hasbro will ever get to making Masterpiece figures.
@@misterdarwinthey said he’d be a titan class.
4:27 so the good news is they will not lock these figures to the haslab. They willl just have slight differences in retail.
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While i mostly agree with your point about how the deluxe versions shouldn't exist, i want to give a slight correction on the Mos Eisley cantina. The base version does have the booth wall, the deluxe version just has a second booth wall to box the room off.
@@coldbrain9899 i didn't know. Thank you
Thinking about the possibility of Gigatron being a Haslab, there's a few ideas that immediately come to my mind. This is purely speculation based on past figures and the trends in the recent Haslabs that you brought to my attention:
The figure's height would be difficult to determine since the "source bible" for the series just describes character traits instead of measurements. I also couldn't use the TFWiki page because no sources were cited for the entries (it said Optimus's Super Mode is 6.5 meters while Gigatron himself is at 7 meters). Instead, I used Skybyte standing next to Devil Gigatron during the reformatting scene of the Decepticons where he stood at waist height. We already have a leaked Voyager Class Skybyte due out in July, so I used another voyager like Vector Prime for an approximation. The head-to-head scale in one the mentioned shot puts Devil Gigatron at ~10in figure scale, which means he'd be about as tall as Legacy Armada Optimus Prime in his super mode. This also makes him slightly shorter than Haslab Optimus's Super Mode (not Omega) unless the designers want to adjust his height.
In terms of figure improvements over the original I own, there's a few very likely things. Proper ankle joints as well as firm ratchets in the hips are a given (can't have it fall over like the original). A hip swivel is questionable since he'd need to arch his back for the claw mode. Arms are mostly the same, though I can't imagine an occasion where he'd need poseable fingers to hold something. The head can get a new joint to look up/down. The most improvements will be on the back. The wings can get ratchets at the base of the joint to maintain their angle better than the original, a new ratchet in the middle of the wing joint, as well as a way to "peg" in the extending wing flaps so that they can stay fixed. I'd also be interested to see a locking assembly for the dragon head+neck so that it isn't loose anymore. For the other modes, everything else is mostly unchanged aside from locking mechanisms that make the conversions feel solid and not fall apart (car mode, boat mode, etc). The twin swords would lose the firing mechanism but gain blast effect compatibility at the hilt and along the blades.
For paint, they'll follow similar cues from Optimus and not use chrome on contact surfaces. If possible, I'd also not want translucent red pieces for the claws and the sword. (I will get to Devil Gigatron down below). Just assume the standard paint scheme is his black armor.
For tier unlocks, I'm not optimistic. He WOULD need a stand so that he can fly in his various modes, as well as support for his standing robot mode. For a higher tier, he might include large-scale fire blast effects for his dragon modes to use. He might also include an Autobot protoform pod so that you can recreate him "stealing" it and reprogramming it into another figure. **I don't think the three Predacon goons are likely** because Transmetal 2 designs haven't been touched aside from Megatron and Tigerhawk. They'd also demand their own sprues/paint to raise the price. Something more likely are the Autobot spy changers at Micromaster scale (whether they use new tooling or repaint existing ones are up in the air). One last idea is a red car shell you can put over his car mode to recreate the scene where he catfishes Sideburn.
Based on the trends you showed me in the video, a "base" package would just include Gigatron in his normal colors while a "deluxe" package includes two figures (One for Gigatron, the other for Devil Gigatron). Knowing how greedy Hasbro is, they'd likely throw tiers on top of the purchase so there's no guarantee to getting everything offered. It's a nonzero chance that he becomes a Haslab since the reuse potential doesn't have anything striking come to mind and that his size would demand a commander pricepoint. Outside of Megatron/Galvatron, I don't see either the BW Megatron nor Deathsaurus repaints being likely.
We'll have to wait and see what next year's haslab will bring, my money is on it being something related to the Primes since the new line is about to start.
The Star Wars one did fully funded, but it didn’t break all the stretch goals. The very last one wasn’t meant so People who are getting that werewolf alien figure
@@the_collector_of_different_toy typical for Star Wars
I agree that RiD Galvatron doesn't need a HasLab UNLESS you want him to be roughly the same size as Omega Prime. He isn't normally that big, but he was in the finale after being pumped up on Fortress Maximus juice. However, given that you can repaint him into RiD Megatron, Deathsaurus and Beast Wars Megatron, I don't want him locked behind a HasLab either.
FWI: I was the one that coined the term "Predacon Stoogies" back in the day, super cool to see the term still being used for them! 🤩
They said he would be a Titan class. Likely to get that necessary size as well as the engineering and stability.
I'm pretty sure the reason for the for the base version vs the deluxe version is so that if the deluxe version (which would be the "regular" version) is too pricey, there is a (slighty) less expensive version you can get instead and still get the HasLab funded.
@@mrsamaritan6881 seems a little backwards to me as if you're already spending an absurd amount of money on a toy, why not just go all in?
I just thought about this right now but if we are getting gigatron as a haslab the deluxe model will probably be a galvatron inclusion. Either that or with the new price adjustment of titan class figures we may get a mainline release and then a selects release. Edit: while this may sound good at first for a deluxe model this could potentially evolve into something where you only get 1 out of the 2 figures needed for a set and you will have to pay extra.
@@solsticeburst787 i imagine he'd be a titan now. If anything, just for a selects Galvatron release. If he is a Haslab, I'd hope the Deluxe version would include the last 3 Predacons (slapper, gas skunk, dark scream)
Never backed a Haslab. Never will. Hasbro is a really scummy company. Haslab is an obvious rip-off. Marvel Legends Giant-Man crowdfunded = $199.99. Transformers Titan Class regular retail = $199.99. ????WTF?????
I feel like they created different entry points in order to make them more accessible while not compromising for the fans that want to go all out
It still feels wrong that Hasbro is in the crowdfunding game.
Ive backed quite a few Kickstarters for boardgames in the past and this "new" trend they are experimenting with you are talking about is very common. A publisher will offer a base product, and a deluxe package. In gaming it might be one version has cool miniatures and what not to enhance the experience while the other just has standees or something. The projects will still have tier unlocks, typically little expansions or maybe component upgrades that everyone can enjoy.
Hasbro is simply copying this method, as it increases the appeal and the fomo thus encouraging more people to back.
The feel of an event vs what this actually is. A preorder.
And thats where i get sketchy on my feelings for this because a small publisher doing this on Kickstarter makes sense, they literally can't make the product without crowdfunding. But Hasbro ... Can. They just don't see a need because well. We along with the other fandoms have proven we will buy this stuff for whatever reason.
Ive backed 3 now, because they are characters i want and this is the only way to get them. It sucks but its whats going on.
I will say Unicron did seem to make sense as a haslab.
Victory saber... Did not
Deathsaurus ... Did not BUT he certainly felt like a premium product that was worth it.
Omega prime ... Well to quote wheelie. "have no doubt we'll soon find out."
@@TTMMH42 i agree with Star Saber and Deathsaurus. It really felt like those could've been retail, especially Star Saber. The "Haslab" portions of characters like Victory Saber and Omega Prime are the combination guys. I would bet if Star Saber/Fire Convoy was a commander, we wouldn't have seen Victory Leo/God Magnus at retail. I'm happy we're getting the full package and the TF ones at least FEEL like they're worthwhile but if they're expecting people to fork over 300 for a Gigatron thats just BIGGER when he's less than 60 online...its gonna be a tough sell
I don't know how I feel about that. As a Victory fan I've wanted Star Sabre and Deathsaurus for a while. If HasLab is what it took to get them well... I'm fine with that.
My issue with HasLab is.... well... what this video is about. When they start gating "normal" and "deluxe" versions off. If you're going to do crowdfunded products then it needs to be very straightforward and transparent.
what in the good mythical morning intro was that
@@razatare you're welcome
Rancor, Extended times, patches, short 100 to tier screw jobs, odd number fudging. Hasbro doesn't have to be held to any rules like kickstarter and gofund me, which is really scummy. Tully totally should have been a 14k tier. Hasbro screwed over tens of thousands of prior haslab backers. Does Hasbro really need 3 million to fund a project... they can fund it themselves and they can do made to order, they can beat the mold and make the 4 or 5 variant models and make 10x the money. Hasbro doesn't need 3 million. I cancelled 3 Giantman because it took me almost 30 days through calling and multiple emails to get them to tell me we would NEVER get the skrull face plate. I honestly would like to have seen if the Ecto 1 would fail if they couldn't get Tully. Haslab should not be doing early birds, they should do made to order. They make 200 to 400 dollar retail helmets, props and masterpieces. Haslab is just scummy especially when we are mostly getting retail product, or at most exclusive made to order product. Hasbro has guaranteed done at least 1 or 2 scummy things with every lab.
Way things are going, everything will be a haslab. I've already given up on hasbro, it was a fun 40 years, but everything dies.
I promised myself to never support haslab, and this only vindicates me even more
if i dont want an ecto 1A and only want stuff from the first movie then im saving like 70 bucks, no problem for me
Wait till we get Voyager Model Haslabs...
I'm not one for Haslab for it seems overprice for the majority of the stuff they do and have never have supported it. Cantina is the only one that I can see justified due that I 3D print playsets for my TFs. Its time consuming and there is cost to it with equipment and materials. Also the little glasses and all with it.
Yea, the transformers haslabs are way better so far. If you break them down, they aren't really upcharged at all. Idk about unicron, tho, he was really expensive. I think Gigatron is perfect for a haslab, he has to be massive and have 11 alt modes that need to be better than the original toy, if he was anything less than a titan, the figure would suffer
@@Soup_man347 i don't even think you need all the modes. 2 Headed Dragon, Jet, Car, Bat, Hand, and Robot are really all thats needed
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That play set is no different than the deluxe lol
Never heard of haslab but this is just a log on the fire that is hasbro's buiness model. WOTC is evil.
Though I agree with the title of this, your video is just gaslighting. If you can't figure out which wall you're getting, look at the pictures. You've never heard of tiers? They've done it quite frequently for 4 years. The only difference between this years and the last ones is the deluxe versions with Ecto and the Cantina. That is the least confusing aspect of your attempt at gaslighting to figure out. You are just complaining about anything and everything. Pick a reason and back it up. Don't just be a Karen.
Someone doesn't understand the definition of gaslighting and clearly has never actually experienced gaslighting before (good for you. Hope you never have to go through it. Just shouldn't be a Karen and throw out big trauma words that have real meaning and real impacts just because you happen to disagree with someone else's opinions)
In what way is this gaslighting?
The "Wall" that you're talking about isnt shown in the Basic vs Deluxe images, which I point out. I clearly state how I feel about previous haslabs and the tiers associated with them and how I think this is different from those. Go ahead and rewatch the video, I'll take the watch time. The "reason" btw is the video title
"gaslighting"
This word doesn't mean what you think it means.
I think you misunderstood of the videos point, he's not being a Karen and complaining he's actually showing concern for the future of the Transformers, i see no Gaslighting in this Video...Honestly the only one Gaslighting in your words is you saying things that isn't even their
@@p1ggy141 I gave actual reasons. You only said, "Nuh uh." You are dismissed, pig.
The base cantina clearly includes the booth wall, while the deluxe cantina includes a 2nd booth wall for the other side.
Yeah, another comment said that. I went to the page and the only place I could clearly see both walls was at the very bottom in the product video.