How dark money is influencing the general election | Peter Geoghegan interview

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  • Peter Geoghegan is an investigative journalist, author, and runs the Democracy for Sale Substack.
    He came by the studio to speak to us about dark money in politics, how political donations dictate party policy, and how Labour's time in power could be guided by super rich donors.
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  • @PoliticsJOE
    @PoliticsJOE  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

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  • @10gimp39
    @10gimp39 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    It should be illegal to accept money from any foreign country or person

    • @lukeyraptor6738
      @lukeyraptor6738 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How would parties get money to run? Solely from membership?

    • @musicmikemn
      @musicmikemn 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lukeyraptor6738 yes membership and donations from British citizens

    • @everest9707
      @everest9707 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lukeyraptor6738 from membership, crosschecked to the electoral roll, is a good start. However there should be no foreign money influencing a country's government.

    • @MCFCSeasonCardHolder
      @MCFCSeasonCardHolder 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      ​@@lukeyraptor6738crazy idea that parties should be funded by the people who support them

    • @andrewrushent2737
      @andrewrushent2737 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@lukeyraptor6738 Uhhhh yes? Or have parliament set them a budget from tax.

  • @mattym8038
    @mattym8038 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    I couldn't vote for Labour this year because they've put up a London based millionaire who works for a think tank, as candidate in my non-London constituency. Same shit different party flag.

    • @nathanaelsmith3553
      @nathanaelsmith3553 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@mattym8038 similar where I am. Why the hell would I want to vote for a non-local candidate that I only heard about the month before the election?

    • @user-hs1zh1se4c
      @user-hs1zh1se4c 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Then your sitting back and letting our human rights to be taken away
      Go and vote

    • @zakmorgan9320
      @zakmorgan9320 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      ​@@user-hs1zh1se4cthey didn't say they wouldn't vote just that they wouldn't vote for labour.

    • @nev3i
      @nev3i 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      At least its not the zionist Luke Akehurst thrust into North Durham by Labour

    • @perrymason866
      @perrymason866 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You voting for the Green Party then?

  • @lkyuvsad
    @lkyuvsad 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    The state funding politics with vouchers and outlawing private funding is such an obviously good idea.

    • @plebjames
      @plebjames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don't want to fund Reform, or the Tory party for that matter.
      Limiting donations and campaign spending is a better idea imo

    • @outofideas42
      @outofideas42 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@plebjames you're funding worse things right now, like a genocide. Funding democracy that we disagree with is a much lesser evil than allowing the rich to bribe them and effectively lock out honest parties from politics.

  • @chocolatesugar4434
    @chocolatesugar4434 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    21:58 TAX THE RICHHHHHH!!!! That’s all we need to see from our politicians.

  • @patrickbrowne3947
    @patrickbrowne3947 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Just stop the money going into politics … and please stop these corruptive practices … pass a law for heaven’s sakes .

    • @user-kc6pw7jd9l
      @user-kc6pw7jd9l 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No you stop it

    • @James-872
      @James-872 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Robin Williams once said for a start politicians should wear sponsor jackets like Nascar drivers.

    • @Harrier_DuBois
      @Harrier_DuBois 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's hard to get politicians to legislate to cut their own income.

    • @jclwhite
      @jclwhite 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Our system has always always been corrupt Patrick...it has always been against the people. Restricting money in politics would take a massive movement.
      The foxes aren't going to vote for chickens rights.

  • @darren_mcgarvey
    @darren_mcgarvey 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    One of the best journalists out there, anywhere.

  • @RandallSlick
    @RandallSlick 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Fascinating. Fully expect the subject to be examined in depth by the BBC soon. Would give 1000 likes if I could bribe YT.

    • @fiver4249
      @fiver4249 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I hope that happens but you don't think that's going to happen do you?

    • @RandallSlick
      @RandallSlick 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fiver4249 Alas, I'm afraid, no. Stay strong my friend Stay strong.

    • @DanPlimmer
      @DanPlimmer 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      BBC director is a Tory donator and is probably now donating to the Labour Party

    • @RandallSlick
      @RandallSlick 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DanPlimmer Is that the Goldman one or the Westminster Council one? I lose track.

  • @jnielson1121
    @jnielson1121 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Why isn't this front page news? Why isn't this ALL over the BBC?? Why isn't legally blocking ALL of this on Labour's manifest- oh...

    • @archvaldor
      @archvaldor 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because Labour are going to be in power and everyone in the media is desperate to curry favor with them. No matter how bad they may be in office. It was the same when Johnson got in-people were too scared to point any of the corruption out.

  • @Nexus804
    @Nexus804 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I need to say, I wish you would devote a much longer period to some of these guests - understand it might not work for everyone but some of the guys you have on I could listen to for at least an hour, if not too.
    Great interview, just wish it was longer!

  • @randomname3109
    @randomname3109 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    im more disgusted by JUST HOW CHEAP corruption is in the UK than the fact there is corruption.. Corrupt politicians is par for the course but just how cheap they are is appalling

    • @silvafox7719
      @silvafox7719 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      At least in the USA they charge a fortune for lobbying. The corruption needs to end

    • @James-872
      @James-872 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So why would Greedy self centered narcissistic people offer such great value for money? The only conclusion i can muster is for the most part our policy makers haven't got anything to offer because for the most decisions are already determined because the UK is part the 51st state! Our military bases are shared and you don't need to dig too much to realise our courts dances directly to the fiddle of the USA, just look at the recent Assange case whereby Julian is released on condition he signed a plea deal with American judicially.

    • @jessery475
      @jessery475 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm not sure if I agree. Maybe it's good that it's cheap, because it allows more people to buy in and creates a bit more diversity of ideas? Vs a very very expensive system that locks out anyone but multinational mega corps? Quite unfinished though of mine but that the way I'm leaning on that.

    • @randomname3109
      @randomname3109 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jessery475 look around. Think. And ask yourself, does what I see track to this thought?

    • @plebjames
      @plebjames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@randomname3109 it's a shocking thing, but is American size political donations better? If so, how?

  • @donttrip8282
    @donttrip8282 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Labour: So much change, it is the exact same donors getting what they want again. Starmer poses zero threat to this unsustainable status quo.

    • @archvaldor
      @archvaldor 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm not sure you understand. He IS the establishment candidate. That's why no one is challenging him in the media or in the corridors of power.

    • @donttrip8282
      @donttrip8282 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@archvaldor I understand, that is basically what I am saying.

  • @AshMundo
    @AshMundo 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    32:00 isn't Keith Starmer doing the opposite of this by bringing in big doners whilst the tons of members leave? So less democratic.

  • @lonelyone69
    @lonelyone69 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The issue with lobbying is its secrecy if the quid pro quo of politics became public and open it would be stopped because it looks disgusting to anyone.

  • @Coops5361
    @Coops5361 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    If only the issue of dark money got the same coverage as Flutter-Gate is currently getting.

    • @mickeypye2593
      @mickeypye2593 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      that - 'gate' suffix is one of the most tired headlines in journalism. In fact it's just plain fuckin' lazy lol !!!

  • @drdjnorg
    @drdjnorg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If only we had journalism in this country.

    • @JH-pi3hc
      @JH-pi3hc วันที่ผ่านมา

      You've just witnessed it. Mainstream? Perhaps not but it's out there

  • @Skylark_Jones
    @Skylark_Jones 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bottom line: it's all about the money, maintaining the wealth and the profits of big corporations. The government can see that the policies they've advocated for decades are impoverishing the nation, yet carry on with them because they get kickbacks! Declaring a vested interest in a register no longer cuts it. We need a politician that is willing to stand up and say "No" to this.

  • @evolassunglasses4673
    @evolassunglasses4673 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Look into Labour backer Trevor Chinn...

    • @zoranblackie5921
      @zoranblackie5921 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Look into Reform backers...

  • @BanterRanterr
    @BanterRanterr 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Let's talk about KGB money for Cambridge Analitica and A.Bqnks...

  • @SamUploads420
    @SamUploads420 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Whenever I heard 'isle of dogs' I think 'yes, I love dogs as well'

  • @LimeyRedneck
    @LimeyRedneck 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Agreed! I was shocked when I found out how little cheap our politicians can be bought for!! 😳

  • @bluejay6253
    @bluejay6253 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The new series of between two ferns has got a bit real hasn't it.

  • @fireh3211
    @fireh3211 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    What about insider trading, getting instant information about what legislation is going to be implemented and how that will affect the stock market.

  • @nathanaelsmith3553
    @nathanaelsmith3553 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Invasion of the panty bots. Where do they come from - and why?

    • @Solemme
      @Solemme 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Better than the crypto scam bots

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      There are also Arse Bots.

    • @JasonAtlas
      @JasonAtlas 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They are from low income countries and they are after your money. That's the where and why.

    • @nathanaelsmith3553
      @nathanaelsmith3553 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JasonAtlas I hope there is no link to modern slavery

    • @JasonAtlas
      @JasonAtlas 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nathanaelsmith3553 I hadn't considered it but I don't think that would be the case for these type of bots.

  • @disasterarea9341
    @disasterarea9341 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    this is great, we need more of a focus on money in politics. journalism is supposed to shine a light! this is helping me understand our electoral system so much better now. and you see the weakness of labour right now with their "ming vase strategy" while 20 points ahead is because this strategy appeases donors.

  • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
    @oldishandwoke-ish1181 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All roads lead to Rome, people: this is about rich people evading taxes. Tax 'em!!

  • @user-xt7pp5yy9w
    @user-xt7pp5yy9w 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great piece glad this is being covered

  • @gamerfreakout
    @gamerfreakout 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Eye opening.

  • @Chaoimbhin
    @Chaoimbhin 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant video very informative

  • @hashburystumble8808
    @hashburystumble8808 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Shouldn't opinion polls be prefixed by who commissioned the poll in large letters ?

  • @donnakibarb7066
    @donnakibarb7066 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great interview!

  • @perrin6
    @perrin6 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Corruption is THE biggest topic (eg climate denial) but is not high in the public's awareness.

  • @jakeblair4215
    @jakeblair4215 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cap all donations at £200. Give instead voters "vouchers" for each political party, and move to a PR system like D'hont. Oh and a written constitution. The establishment wins every turn, it's the citizens/subjects that suffer at every election despite the party voted in

  • @roberttaylor7462
    @roberttaylor7462 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Could this be the reason politics has run out of ideas its more an art of back-room deals at Davos.

  • @LuftWaffle89
    @LuftWaffle89 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aaron Banks is a name I havn't heard in a while. Didn't he give Farage £450k, a house and car after the Brexit referendum? Such a good friend...

  • @cloudymccloud00
    @cloudymccloud00 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tax the rich properly. Then they won't have so much to "donate". Also: they'll have less wealth to protect in the first place and so less incentive to "donate".

  • @tersecwalsingham5778
    @tersecwalsingham5778 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Good interview.

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Money doesn't talk, it swears." Bob Dylan 1963. ( We've come a long way, haven't we? )
    🤔( "Green Fire", geoff nelson hill, IngramSpark & bookshops ) 🌈🦉

  • @seebarry4068
    @seebarry4068 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don't know if I'm more surprised over dark money, or that Joey is a tory.

  • @CatNostril
    @CatNostril 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That thumbnail made me think you got Keir on

  • @davidwilson1171
    @davidwilson1171 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great contributer. ❤

  • @mirosawurbaniak5577
    @mirosawurbaniak5577 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We don't live in feudal system any more... really? I mean really? :D

  • @Oharadanny123abcdefg
    @Oharadanny123abcdefg 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Longford represent!

  • @karlowens5632
    @karlowens5632 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's funny that farage accepted over a 100 thousand pounds from a donor who has business in Russia

  • @stewartjones2173
    @stewartjones2173 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So not a shed load but a tent load.

  • @zoranblackie5921
    @zoranblackie5921 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So we 'kind of' held Liz Truss to account, so why not the IEA... can they not be sued in a class action for every mortgage holder in the country?

  • @ScotMcFadyen-kp3jd
    @ScotMcFadyen-kp3jd 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What do they want....the best government money can buy 💷 💷💷💷

  • @suburbanyobbo9412
    @suburbanyobbo9412 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Reminder that PoliticsJoe is owned by a venture capital fund.

  • @cohen855
    @cohen855 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I imagine they want tax breaks ,obes ,money laundering and corrupt information oh and to shit on the average paid worker

  • @rosemariemchugh988
    @rosemariemchugh988 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lovely Irish lilt. Very interesting conversation.

  • @connorwilloughby1696
    @connorwilloughby1696 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    As a donor I'd like you to come back to the left a bit more ta

  • @RobinHarris-nf4yv
    @RobinHarris-nf4yv 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Labour want to stop MPs getting money for lobbying advocacy and 2nd jobs with vested interests.
    Labour also want to investigate VIP lanes and reform HoL
    So they do want to improve things

    • @rohanharridge5579
      @rohanharridge5579 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Some people in Labour have said that.
      What they say, what they want, & what they actually end up doing are all very different things.
      And what they say keeps changing.

    • @RobinHarris-nf4yv
      @RobinHarris-nf4yv 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rohanharridge5579 what they has kept changing over the last 4 years because the economic outlook keeps changing.
      Are you voting for the greens?
      They have a manifesto that according to the IFS is complete fantasy…..

    • @markwelch3564
      @markwelch3564 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@RobinHarris-nf4yvthe IFS have said that about every party
      If they're all fantasy, I'll pick the fantasy that gives me hope!

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    SPIVOCRACY 😎

  • @CharlieL292
    @CharlieL292 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gary Barlow has let himself go

  • @ZER0--
    @ZER0-- 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Beware the Fanny Bots...

  • @hephaestion12
    @hephaestion12 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder if its cheap enough to pay for entry that a paper might be able to afford an undercover journalist for it. Would love to know what happens in there....

  • @dotsgrey
    @dotsgrey วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tax wealth or we are all heading for Gotham city

  • @Dean-vl7ot
    @Dean-vl7ot 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think he will soon be prime minister of little Israel the amount of jewish money in the labour party

  • @m.j.nicholls
    @m.j.nicholls 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a brilliant interview??

  • @donkey_oaty
    @donkey_oaty ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    So it's a kind of patreon subscription for private interests...

  • @Relisysification
    @Relisysification 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Only just struck me, what if gamblegate used donner money rather than their own

    • @Sdakouls3
      @Sdakouls3 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah, they were only placing a few bets of £100. Standard Tory greed, idiocy and corruption, but very low level stuff.

  • @tammyjanjan2892
    @tammyjanjan2892 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you are idealistic enough to believe any political party, with the way things currently are, can win anything without taking this sort of money then show me which party has managed to successfully do it.
    This is just another reason why robust lobbying laws and PR are needed. Considering every political party does this, voting for one over the other based solely on that is a bit nonsensical. Vote for whoever you think is the most likely to implement PR and change lobbying laws if you want real change.

  • @simonerossi6074
    @simonerossi6074 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Facebook blocks this video

  • @malaydhar917
    @malaydhar917 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is dark money legal or illegal ? 🤔-bmd

  • @Matteesside
    @Matteesside 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Disturbing stuff

  • @kennycube5126
    @kennycube5126 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Politics Joe: Behind the curve.

  • @banchiaoman
    @banchiaoman 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I find it unbelievably offensive that you are only half listening while you are scrolling on your phone. For god's sake switch your phone off!