Awesome! No one ever explained this for metal use. The whole no gain thing but boosted tone and level! I used to use my treble and mid EQ on the amp itself. Thanks man \m/
I have a XXX peavey head, and yesterday I asked Matt Heafy (Trivium) on twitch what I should use with it to get better tone. He said just a noise suppressor and a Tube Screamer. Can’t wait to try this out.
Thank you for doing this video dude. This has to be one of the only good Tube Screamer demos that actually shows its functionality for metal. Until now, I wasn’t sure if it would really do much for my tone. I’ve been plugging straight into a Peavey 6505 MH with nothing boosting the front. I tried using my MXR EVH 5150 OD in the same fashion as a TS-9, but that’s not what that particular pedal was designed for. The EVH pedal was designed to simulate an “amp in a stomp box”. It doesn’t really tighten up the bottom end very well, and the gain is so high that it ends up over saturating the tone instead of enhancing it. This video has absolutely sold me on the Tube Screamer; it will be added to my signal chain very soon! Keep it metal, cheers man!!!
Thank you for your comment Cory! Yeah I felt the same, like everybody uses it but nobody explained why, it’s just one of those things that you eventually pick up if you’re delving into metal tone. It makes a huge difference, you almost can’t go back to just using the amp distortion afterwards! Stay metal, friend! \m/
@@Krufs You’re so right dude! After I posted that comment, I dove right into research mode to figure out exactly which type of tube screamer I wanted. There are so many highly regarded TS-style pedals out there; all of which sound a little different. Aside from the actual TS-9 and the 808, I wanted to learn about some of the other top rated alternatives as well; just to cover all bases. The ones that kept popping up on top ten lists included the MXR GT-OD, the JHS Bonsai, the Mesa Grid Slammer, the Earthquaker Devices Dunes, among many others. Ultimately though, I chose the one that the TS-9 is descendant from: The MAXON OD-9. And it works amazing with my setup; I couldn’t be happier. ALSO, I wanted to share with you a really awesome little toy I bought in the course of my research. Have you ever played with the MXR Raijin Drive? Don’t know if you’re familiar with that one, but it’s essentially a 2-in-1 pedal. There’s a selector switch on the pedal lets you toggle back and forth between an overdrive or distortion style clipping. The two types of clipping were designed after arguably the two most legendary pedals in rock: The distortion is based on the Boss DS-1, and the overdrive is based on the TS-9. Both modes are 100% true to the original pedals, but with more range! I’d highly recommend checking that one out. I could talk pedals all day; I gotta get back to work! Thanks again dude! Cheers from Denver! 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Hey Andrew if you don't mind me asking how do you get that tone when your doing metal in that video I just can't find that tone and I love it I'm trying though lol..thanks
Thanks for explaining. I know a lot of metal guitarists use these, probably most famously Kirk Hammett, but I never knew exactly how they used them because the overdrive from the pedal itself isn't heavy metal at all.
I had one in 82 along with the flanger. I recently bought this re issue tube screamer and got an original vintage Ibanez flanger so I’ve got my 80s rig back. Added to my Space Echo pedal for me a great sound and pretty flexible too.
@@Krufs I’ve just added a Clone Theory Chorus which is another cool 80s pedal although it’s a modern improved version. Peter Hook used a Clone Theory in Joy Division & New Order.
It depends! If I want a clean tone with just a ‘lil bite (great for chords!) I’ll leave it on but if I want really clean for picking for example it’s better to turn it off :)
What effects is used for metal? I am beginner to metal and want to move to that genre. I hope someone will answer me. I am studying on basics of shredding.
I can help you with anything you need. An overdrive pedal is a good start, or a high gain amp. Wah is another pedal common in metal. It all depends on what artists you enjoy listening to and which effects they use.
@@Shevchenko_DBR9 Thank you so much for the info hmmm the genre i want to learn is progressive metal like dream theater. I like john petrucci's distortion or overdrive i think?
@@asuka8951 John Petrucci has the most confusing tone I know. He changes distortion pedals like his skin sheds dead cells. He’s used an Ibanez Tube Screamer TS9 ( a great pedal) and he’s used a custom TC Electronic Raijin Drive pedal. He used very expensive Mesa amps but those aren’t necessary if you can’t afford them. It’s good to try to tone seek but always remember that you are you and you aren’t John, you’ll never sound exactly like him.
Yes, you most definitely can. Most any overdrive can be used as a boost when you have the gain turned down or almost all the way down. You will just get slightly different coloring on your tone with different pedals.
Do you still use TS808? After 5 years later, would you pick up TS808 now, or any other TS/OD you'd prefer? I liked the Plumes, but not in stock where I live, also like Fortin 33 and Fortin Grind a lot, but they are pricey... Maybe I'll go with TS Mini, I am not sure... Cheers
Honestly these days I use a Helix. Way less error prone for live use and more compatible with our in ears. In studio I use the VST version to be able to tinker with the sound post recording. I DO use a tube screamer inspired plugin in the chain so the idea is still the same. I have been tinkering with Helix's Horizon Drive Emulator instead of the TS though. It's got more parameters as well as a built in noise gate so I'd recommend looking into that one if you play metal :) Ibanez's mini pedals are friggin cool tho ;)
Honestly for this purpose it probably doesn't matter. Andertons did a great comparison video of those and the ts-808 and the differences becomes more apparent when it is being used as your main OD source
@@Krufs thanks for the reply! i finally upgraded from boss katana to randal tube combo, first tube amp ever. its a beast, but i want MORE mids and growl im looking for a nice pedal for 90s death/thrash metal sound. pickups are bridge: dimarzio x2n, neck: dimarzio super distortion. any recommendations? cheers
@@simaszaidimas6213 I'm not much of a tone wizard but a friend of mine plays in a old school death metal band called Gravebomb and he swears by the boss hm-2. It's become a bit of a meme but for 90s dm it's kind of like the secret sauce. I've gotten a decent gothenburg sound out of a Marshall Valvestate and a tube screamer but getting a shittier amp probably wasn't the tip you were hoping for ;) Best of luck!
Did you have your amp on a lead channel? I'm hoping I can do this by turning on the pedal while the amp is on clean to easily switch back and forth. Thanks.
Yes I did, an OD won’t give you enough gain to serve as a lead replacement. There are pedals that can do that though, depending on what genres you’re looking to play. RAT, HM-2 or something like that might be more what you need. Search for distortion pedal and go from there :)
@Krufs thank you man I appreciate the replies no one else has bothered if you don't mind one more question do you scoop the mids at the dial or would you think it would be better to do it with the built in eq on the boogie and keep the dial turned up?
Ha ha you have a reverse picking attack. Must be a German/Dutch thing. I live in the USA but I was born in Germany and I pick that way too. Although this month I’ve been practicing with a standard attack after 30 years of picking reverse. It’s tough going to a standard attack for me. But I want to be able to do both for versatility 🤘🏻
Toby Travis Same here. I started playing long before TH-cam was a thing. But I have noticed a few players holding the pick this way. I thought I was alone for a while. It works great for chugging . You get a killer sound that you cannot get with a standard pick attack. But, playing complex solos and stuff can be tricky. That’s why I’m learning the “regular” way now too. I tend to favor upstrokes because of the way I hold the pick. When most lead solos are played from a downstroke dominant perspective. These means I have to deconstruct and reverse engineer a lot of stuff . And it’s time consuming. So, I’m going to try a standard attack on the treble strings, and keep my reverse attack (like you) on the bass side strings 🤘🏻
Look man, if you think it sounds good then that's all that matters. Straying away from the conventions of a genre can help you find your own unique voice :)
DOME NIGHT WATER IS THE BEST.and HM-2 CULT.OLA's cool and great but he's into the trendier side if things and popular things.im not.abd could care less who's popular or popular music in general.thats for all the sheep and followers..not leaders.
Nightbearer....my phone is fucking retsrded and spells everything wrong th second before I hit th button to send sometimes ..it's bullshit.but Dome Nightbearer is the shit and the man.he KNOWS high gain better than anyone else almost in this whole TH-cam plane.
good video, i have vox vt20x its modeling/hybrid tube driven amp it has tube screamer simulation in the insider tone room software, i came here to know how to use it, now it obviously sound tighter, ofc not like a real amp with a real pedal but still gives their taste and making a difference hahah
I'm 26 and just used a tube screamer for the first time on my 5150 3. It was like the first time I had sex without a condom. I thought protected sex was awesome but that was because I didn't know any better.
Derek You probably don't know a lot about guitars, first of all if u believe in your ears then it doesn't really matter what guitar or pickup he uses if the tone is good and i can tell you this metal tone is pretty sick once he turn tubescreamer on(like really good, at least to me), and yeah he uses high end single coil pickup which behave somewhat like humbucker and it's pretty good for metal especially for lower tunings which is drop c in this video
I swear this is the only video covering OD from a metal perspective. I was close but you cleared some things up. Thanks for that!
Glad I could help! :D
There's so many other videos though...
lol no it aint
Why does everyone always gotta give you a history lesson of the pedal instead of getting to the point of the video?
Because viewers like me like to know
Video length = more money
Awesome! No one ever explained this for metal use. The whole no gain thing but boosted tone and level! I used to use my treble and mid EQ on the amp itself. Thanks man \m/
Yeah me too man, glad I could help!
I have a XXX peavey head, and yesterday I asked Matt Heafy (Trivium) on twitch what I should use with it to get better tone. He said just a noise suppressor and a Tube Screamer. Can’t wait to try this out.
It’s a classic combo! \m/
My dog got excited when you kicked on the TS and had the squeaky toy noise in there.
Haha that's hilarious man! I should probably reconsider my sfx choices! 😅
Mine too. Had to calm him down.
Im a beginner so I just crank up the amps gain and crank up the overdrive gain as well.
😂
Im glad I found this video.
Turn it to 11! \m/
Most people do this when starting out. Eventually you will learn that most metal actually uses a lot less gain than you would think.
Used to do that when I was starting to learn.
Lows 10, Mids 0, Treble 10.
Now I play metal in a band, with the gain halfway and mids turned up.
Thank you for doing this video dude. This has to be one of the only good Tube Screamer demos that actually shows its functionality for metal. Until now, I wasn’t sure if it would really do much for my tone. I’ve been plugging straight into a Peavey 6505 MH with nothing boosting the front. I tried using my MXR EVH 5150 OD in the same fashion as a TS-9, but that’s not what that particular pedal was designed for. The EVH pedal was designed to simulate an “amp in a stomp box”. It doesn’t really tighten up the bottom end very well, and the gain is so high that it ends up over saturating the tone instead of enhancing it. This video has absolutely sold me on the Tube Screamer; it will be added to my signal chain very soon! Keep it metal, cheers man!!!
Thank you for your comment Cory! Yeah I felt the same, like everybody uses it but nobody explained why, it’s just one of those things that you eventually pick up if you’re delving into metal tone. It makes a huge difference, you almost can’t go back to just using the amp distortion afterwards! Stay metal, friend! \m/
@@Krufs You’re so right dude! After I posted that comment, I dove right into research mode to figure out exactly which type of tube screamer I wanted. There are so many highly regarded TS-style pedals out there; all of which sound a little different. Aside from the actual TS-9 and the 808, I wanted to learn about some of the other top rated alternatives as well; just to cover all bases. The ones that kept popping up on top ten lists included the MXR GT-OD, the JHS Bonsai, the Mesa Grid Slammer, the Earthquaker Devices Dunes, among many others. Ultimately though, I chose the one that the TS-9 is descendant from: The MAXON OD-9. And it works amazing with my setup; I couldn’t be happier.
ALSO, I wanted to share with you a really awesome little toy I bought in the course of my research. Have you ever played with the MXR Raijin Drive? Don’t know if you’re familiar with that one, but it’s essentially a 2-in-1 pedal. There’s a selector switch on the pedal lets you toggle back and forth between an overdrive or distortion style clipping. The two types of clipping were designed after arguably the two most legendary pedals in rock: The distortion is based on the Boss DS-1, and the overdrive is based on the TS-9. Both modes are 100% true to the original pedals, but with more range! I’d highly recommend checking that one out.
I could talk pedals all day; I gotta get back to work! Thanks again dude! Cheers from Denver!
🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
@@MetalBaller83 Oh the Maxon is a beast! Great choice dude! The Raijin sounds like a really cool pedal, would be perfect on a fly-gig pedalboard! ^^
Great, make one video using the tube screamer in front of a distortion pedal please
Thank you, that's a great idea! :)
He sounds either like he's having a stroke or drunk
When you do both at the same time you truly feel alive.
He just sounds like he has a northern European accent to me.
Where to put it in my chain
I imagine it would come first if you don’t have a tuner pedal. Don’t take my word for it but that only makes sense to me.
@@Shevchenko_DBR9 thanks man thats where she is🤘
@@johnpainter4313 No problem. Just thought I’d make an attempt.
Hey Andrew if you don't mind me asking how do you get that tone when your doing metal in that video I just can't find that tone and I love it I'm trying though lol..thanks
Took me a while to figure out I had to use an overdrive pedal and my amp gain turned on. I assumed it was supposed to be either or at first.
Thanks for explaining. I know a lot of metal guitarists use these, probably most famously Kirk Hammett, but I never knew exactly how they used them because the overdrive from the pedal itself isn't heavy metal at all.
I had one in 82 along with the flanger. I recently bought this re issue tube screamer and got an original vintage Ibanez flanger so I’ve got my 80s rig back. Added to my Space Echo pedal for me a great sound and pretty flexible too.
That sounds like a really cool rig, man! :)
@@Krufs I’ve just added a Clone Theory Chorus which is another cool 80s pedal although it’s a modern improved version. Peter Hook used a Clone Theory in Joy Division & New Order.
That sounds awesome! I have to look into that, I've been trying to achieve a nice post punk tone for quite a while!
You look like Elton John
Do you leave it as an always on pedal? Even on clean sounds?
It depends! If I want a clean tone with just a ‘lil bite (great for chords!) I’ll leave it on but if I want really clean for picking for example it’s better to turn it off :)
Thanks man
Hi is this pedal good for Punk ? Thanks.
Sure, but you're gonna want to dial it in differently than in the video :)
howay the lad. haha thanks for the video. needed to hear the tone of ts-808 as a boost. now I know which one to go with. thank you.
What effects is used for metal? I am beginner to metal and want to move to that genre. I hope someone will answer me. I am studying on basics of shredding.
I can help you with anything you need. An overdrive pedal is a good start, or a high gain amp. Wah is another pedal common in metal. It all depends on what artists you enjoy listening to and which effects they use.
Also what music you would enjoy writing.
@@Shevchenko_DBR9 Thank you so much for the info hmmm the genre i want to learn is progressive metal like dream theater. I like john petrucci's distortion or overdrive i think?
@@Shevchenko_DBR9 As a beginner what can you advice for me?
@@asuka8951 John Petrucci has the most confusing tone I know. He changes distortion pedals like his skin sheds dead cells. He’s used an Ibanez Tube Screamer TS9 ( a great pedal) and he’s used a custom TC Electronic Raijin Drive pedal. He used very expensive Mesa amps but those aren’t necessary if you can’t afford them. It’s good to try to tone seek but always remember that you are you and you aren’t John, you’ll never sound exactly like him.
Thank God(s) for you posting this! 🙌🏻 🙏🏻 I’ll have to dig my old tube screamer out and try it!!
Happy chugging! 🤘
It was the Marshall JCM800 and an Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer that you hear on Ride the Lightning, and Master of Puppets.
What is the settings on that orange crush amp
Could you have a similar effect a boss overdrive?
Yes, you most definitely can. Most any overdrive can be used as a boost when you have the gain turned down or almost all the way down. You will just get slightly different coloring on your tone with different pedals.
This convinced me to buy it, thank you
Do you still use TS808? After 5 years later, would you pick up TS808 now, or any other TS/OD you'd prefer? I liked the Plumes, but not in stock where I live, also like Fortin 33 and Fortin Grind a lot, but they are pricey... Maybe I'll go with TS Mini, I am not sure... Cheers
Honestly these days I use a Helix. Way less error prone for live use and more compatible with our in ears. In studio I use the VST version to be able to tinker with the sound post recording. I DO use a tube screamer inspired plugin in the chain so the idea is still the same.
I have been tinkering with Helix's Horizon Drive Emulator instead of the TS though. It's got more parameters as well as a built in noise gate so I'd recommend looking into that one if you play metal :)
Ibanez's mini pedals are friggin cool tho ;)
whats the difference between ts9 and ts mini?
Honestly for this purpose it probably doesn't matter. Andertons did a great comparison video of those and the ts-808 and the differences becomes more apparent when it is being used as your main OD source
@@Krufs thanks for the reply! i finally upgraded from boss katana to randal tube combo, first tube amp ever. its a beast, but i want MORE mids and growl im looking for a nice pedal for 90s death/thrash metal sound. pickups are bridge: dimarzio x2n, neck: dimarzio super distortion. any recommendations? cheers
@@simaszaidimas6213 I'm not much of a tone wizard but a friend of mine plays in a old school death metal band called Gravebomb and he swears by the boss hm-2. It's become a bit of a meme but for 90s dm it's kind of like the secret sauce. I've gotten a decent gothenburg sound out of a Marshall Valvestate and a tube screamer but getting a shittier amp probably wasn't the tip you were hoping for ;)
Best of luck!
Nice video. My Behringer Tube Overdrive does a good job as well.
The tube monster can be killer with a good boost pedal...
OMG!!!! Thank you!!!
Did you have your amp on a lead channel? I'm hoping I can do this by turning on the pedal while the amp is on clean to easily switch back and forth. Thanks.
Yes I did, an OD won’t give you enough gain to serve as a lead replacement. There are pedals that can do that though, depending on what genres you’re looking to play. RAT, HM-2 or something like that might be more what you need. Search for distortion pedal and go from there :)
What's the EQ on your amp?
I can't remember, but I usually go pretty low on the bass, about 12 o' clock on mids and pretty high on the trebs :)
Thanks man! I love my Orange Crush but as soon as you hit it with some bass it just seems overkill. Lol
Haha yeah it's a beast! ^^
I'm gonna have to get this pedal. It will go great with my 35rt.
I bet it will, but any overdrive will do! :)
Thanks for the video man!!!
Is it good for thrash?
thank you
Cool video man glad to see someone doing the TS for metal \m/ also please say "grampas guitars"
You can obtain this with other OD or Just TS???
I think any OD would do but they will most likely color the sound differently. I you already have an OD, try it out! :)
@@Krufs ty TT
What amp settings help with this tone whenever using the pedal?
It depends a little bit on what you're going for but you don't want too much bass or you'll loose the tightness :)
@Krufs I appreciate that I'm going for a master of puppets ish tone if you could maybe help I'm using a mesa boogie mark 5 25
@@TheZombified316 I would reckon you'd have to scoop the mids for that sound, there's likely a tutorial or two on YT. Good Luck!🤘
@Krufs thank you man I appreciate the replies no one else has bothered if you don't mind one more question do you scoop the mids at the dial or would you think it would be better to do it with the built in eq on the boogie and keep the dial turned up?
@@TheZombified316I’d think the built in eq, fix the audio at the source :)
Great tone. Great video. Loved the nintendo sounds 🤣. You have attitude lml
Thank you friend! 🤘😁
U use it in the Pre amp section or the effects loop?
Preamp :)
Maxon IS the owner of the tube screamer. they made it for ibanez.
Good explanation dude
Thanks a lot man this actually really helped me
Thank you for watching
But first, make sure there's a Hot Topic in your city, otherwise sue your mayor and all his council!:-7
Cool
What do you have your tone nobs set to on the crush pro 120?
i found an old ibanez metal screamer from 1985 that a buddy gave me 10 yrs ago.
good video
Ha ha you have a reverse picking attack. Must be a German/Dutch thing. I live in the USA but I was born in Germany and I pick that way too. Although this month I’ve been practicing with a standard attack after 30 years of picking reverse. It’s tough going to a standard attack for me. But I want to be able to do both for versatility 🤘🏻
Haha yeah, I'm self taught so I dread to think too hard about my technique! 😅
Pick each strong for 10 minutes straight. You won't have to think about picking patterns. A trick I learned from Penner brown vids😉
Toby Travis
Same here. I started playing long before TH-cam was a thing. But I have noticed a few players holding the pick this way. I thought I was alone for a while. It works great for chugging . You get a killer sound that you cannot get with a standard pick attack. But, playing complex solos and stuff can be tricky. That’s why I’m learning the “regular” way now too. I tend to favor upstrokes because of the way I hold the pick. When most lead solos are played from a downstroke dominant perspective. These means I have to deconstruct and reverse engineer a lot of stuff . And it’s time consuming. So, I’m going to try a standard attack on the treble strings, and keep my reverse attack (like you) on the bass side strings 🤘🏻
I think I'll sub.
Appreciate it :)
Are you Danish or why do you pronounce jazz like that Jens Larsen guy does?
I swear this guy is Heavy Metal Christopher Walken. 😂
🎸 🤘🏻
Metal for single coil???
Look man, if you think it sounds good then that's all that matters. Straying away from the conventions of a genre can help you find your own unique voice :)
Will this pedal make me sound like nickel back??
My guitar sounds nothing like that when I use the pedal 👎
Death metal on a Telecaster? Now this guy has balls!
on a telecaster is diabolical 😭😭
sick metal tone telecaster xd
This is cool Man but Ola Englund is the best Channel for me for high gain users i learned best gain for guitars
Yeah man, Ola is awesome ^^
DOME NIGHT WATER IS THE BEST.and HM-2 CULT.OLA's cool and great but he's into the trendier side if things and popular things.im not.abd could care less who's popular or popular music in general.thats for all the sheep and followers..not leaders.
Nightbearer....my phone is fucking retsrded and spells everything wrong th second before I hit th button to send sometimes ..it's bullshit.but Dome Nightbearer is the shit and the man.he KNOWS high gain better than anyone else almost in this whole TH-cam plane.
good video, i have vox vt20x its modeling/hybrid tube driven amp it has tube screamer simulation in the insider tone room software, i came here to know how to use it, now it obviously sound tighter, ofc not like a real amp with a real pedal but still gives their taste and making a difference hahah
Knowing is half the battle! :)
I'm 26 and just used a tube screamer for the first time on my 5150 3. It was like the first time I had sex without a condom. I thought protected sex was awesome but that was because I didn't know any better.
Haha yeah, it really is the way it's meant to be played! 🤘😍
Grandpas guitarsl lolz!! 🤣🤣🤣
The soul of SRV are burning seeing that video. Please dont use TS for metal, and please, Dont Play Metal
These days I use a Helix but just because of your comment I’m getting a TS just to put in front of it.
Hyrule!
Не понравился обзор, много пустой болтавни, мало по делу 😏
Good video but the guitar is the least metal-looking guitar ever. It looks like something you use to play achy breaky heart
Listen with your ears, not with your eyes 👌
"sick, metal tone!!" - *pulls out a telecaster....* 🤨
Loaded with a high output Bareknuckles cobra T pickup! The look of the guitar doesn't affect the tone :)
Architects
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Derek You probably don't know a lot about guitars, first of all if u believe in your ears then it doesn't really matter what guitar or pickup he uses if the tone is good and i can tell you this metal tone is pretty sick once he turn tubescreamer on(like really good, at least to me), and yeah he uses high end single coil pickup which behave somewhat like humbucker and it's pretty good for metal especially for lower tunings which is drop c in this video
@@davolthe1261 still as far as "metal" pickups go...it's not great
There are better overdrive pedals nowadays. Plenty of clones, plus a few that went their own route and came out with something better.
For example?
You look like a pretty lesbian. Im wondering if the glasses help that much
"SICK" ??? Where was the sickness ? I was looking forward to you throwing up but saw nothing !! Where is the sickness ??
Haha down with the sickness!
I'm a "doom metal" and metal fan, so I really like both tones, brother! 🤘🏻
Thats why I'm here. Trying to build a micro bedroom rig of doom.
@@johnymartin5411 i just picked up a monoprice 15 combo....now i have a tubescreamer.
I ended up getting a vox tonelabs se and a orange cr120c.