Is The DJI O3 Air Unit Worth It? Dynamic Range? Quality? - FPV Questions
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This reminds me of when the original AU came out and many dismissed it. A year later, everybody’s got the system.
There are not many people returning their 03 equipment.
If money were no object, I would definitely upgrade even though I’m sure the 03 has challenges just as my piloting skills do.
Going from analog to a CADDX Vista is more than enough for me. Out of my 40 FPV drones I'm keeping over half analog and loving it.
To have a fair impression of the dynamic range of the camera you'd need to import a frame/still from the camera into photo. A screen grab is already been subjected to all sorts of compression and distortion and scaling having been processed by the graphics output. I'd be interested to see the same image from the camera downloaded and opened in photoshop side by side
Just switched to the O3 and goggles 2. Never flown digital before. I was concerned about latency. I was completely surprised to find the increased latency a non issue for me. I honestly don’t notice it at least for freestyle. The bigger issue is the fit of the goggles 2 on the bridge of my nose 😂. Screens and form factor make it worth it to me still.
The new foam padding that is now available fixes a lot of the 'fit' problems of these goggles. Also, make sure your flying in one of the 100fps modes. Took me a while to realize this is the key to low latency mode. The 60fps modes are north of 40ms, which can be noticeable with freestyle or racing.
In my opinion, "goggles 2" are much less comfortable than the V2. Especially after testing the Walksnail goggles, which are very comfortable for me.
Yes! Definitely! I have the V2 Goggles and no regrets at all!!
5:17 NO, you are taking a “photo” of your screen and put it in PS. This is NOT a frame from the video. Open the video in a video editor and adjust the exposure there. Now you have (or haven’t) the dynamic range of the video to play with. What you’re doing is not representative of the dynamic range.
I mean, it can't increase the dynamic range. So if the detail is there in a screen shot, it's there in the original video. Anyway, I just pulled it into photoshop to demonstrate the concept of dynamic range and was surprised the detail was there.
I believe that the real test must be in davinci, witn cinelike 10 bits and color grading. From snapshot only capture bit information of result image, without info of shadows and others.
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you for all you do. you can not test dynamic range without pulling up the original video file in DiVinci
Dynamic range is the number of stops the sensor can handle- each stop is double of half the light, so it is how many degrees of gray you have between absolute white 100IRE and absolute back 0IRE
Coming from analog FPV and FPV from a 3yrs hiatus the 03 unit made FPV a whole new world flying FPV!!
So yes! the 03 unit is WORTH it to me and if your coming from analog..... like most people said don't worried about latecy you'll get use to it and the picture makes up for it.
lol, same here. I took a break for 5 years because analog was so terrible and I just wasn't getting any enjoyment out of it. The O3 is mind blowing.
Im new to digital, and got the V2 goggles. Made the mistake, and updated firmware so I did not root them. The 03 air unit for me was a game changer. The video on any digital was better, but the OSD working is what sold it for me. Now I have rooted goggles, and tried the Runcam Link and Vista again. The 03 air unit is still better imo. It just seems to work better for me. Combine that with USB power on so I don't have to put a battery on to test.... yea. Both are great, but Im selling my vista/runcam and will stick with the 03.
I have v2 goggles and I heard you can use them with the o3 air unit, but I know people were saying that v2 goggles have been hacked and root is available and to not update through dji because they will block?
Is there a way where I can not get blocked out from root, while also being able to use o3 and o2 air units? Or can v2 goggles only use o3 or o2 air unit?
Look up the wiki. Bardwell had a video showing how to root along with uav tech has a video. To rollback the firmware you use ‘butter’ and then root. Not too hard, I just did this the other day
The answer is YES in most everyway!
For video to the eyes with the goggles 2, I’d say a big YES, it’s really amazing to me. For all the hassle of getting good stabilized video footage out of it, that’s a maybe. So much out there on how much work is going into getting non jittery footage, even on BNF from various manufacturers. For longish range I’m a bit disappointed and I would say NO. I think that could be resolved as soon as someone releases a much longer antenna but right now the short antenna is a problem. I tried going to 2 longer separate antennas but that introduced horrible vibrations in the stabilization of the O3 that wasn’t there with the short stock antenna. I’ve gone out 3 miles no problem but upon turning around immediately lost video and it struggles even under 2 miles as well. I’ve been out over 5 miles with the old air with unit the two short antennas pointed mostly backwards and kept video which actually makes me wonder if a longer O3 antenna would do any good at all 🤷🏽♂️ Overall I’m kind of meh beyond the wonderful view I get in my goggles 2.
I initially got started with an O3 unit and G2's with the thinking of potentially replacing the need for a Gopro entirely. Then, despite the G2's having the ability to audio out from the goggles, I realised the air unit itself doesn't have a microphone like the original did. Making the system unable to both transmit live audio nor record it to the onboard SD. Difficult to understand why they would scratch the onboard mic when they had that functionality before, but but I'm sticking with O3 just because of the image quality being brilliant.
I missed this one but was literally thinking this morning of not buying anything until it can be an 03
i think you can get more range and what not, but one thing ive learned ;). the latency is horrid for that extended range, almost unusable for me. vista never gave that bad latency that the o3 does. i also think o3 doesnt do as well behind walls. i fly around my house all the time, the o3 gives me worse signal. totally agree, dyn range is HORRID. i really wanted this to replace my gopro. no way could i make videos for a customer with this crap dyn range where shadows just suck. whats worse, even the live goggles feed, the shadows are SO dark.
IMHO, the video compression between H264 and H265 explains the difference of performance. MAYBE, DJI did something a bit clever things for extra performance boost here and there, but I think the majority of performance can simply be explained by the efficacy of the compression algorithm of H264 to H265.
I'd say if you struggle to afford this hobby and you've never had a video loss where you fly, it's not worth it. At the very least it's not necessary to buy one. But if you can afford an o3 air unit or you lose video, need more range or penetration, sure. It's worth it. Vista units are still fantastic video systems that almost never break.
Yes!
I'm guessing the dark shadows are with the OLED screen's in mind, they will display them where lcd the detail would be lost so they would stretch it.
Glad i waited this long to make the switch.
YES!
And for us non US folk paying $340 for a O3 air unit?
Damn. I complained about $230
Daym I complained at £200
@@GregQuillen yeah it`s crazy,super expensive for us, like a new Hero11 goes $640, and we can`t get insurance, if you break it...buy a new one
@@slapstickfpv 209 was a hard hit for the wallet but damn was it worth it
@RaynerFPV who Is us? Where you from?
For now I gotta stick with the gopro, because at this point the O3 is not safe to fly in a lot of areas where i should not have bad dynamic range. I have to set in auto just to adjust the exposure just to see where I'm flying in areas where it should not be that dark compared to every other action camera or fpv camera.
Excuse my ignorance but isn't taking a screenshot of the video kinda useless when testing dynamic range? A screenshot doesn't take any of the information from the actual video, it's just a copy of a copy. I can take a screenshot of a 10-bit color image and throw it in photoshop and not get the same dynamic range as I would from manipulating the actual source footage itself in premiere.
So you need to turn the contrast down. I suspect the D Cinelike will solve most of it as it's essentially lowering the contrast.
What holds me back in upgrading is the issue with the DJI controller 2. I don’t want to add a RX, love the simplicity of air unit and old radio. Waiting a little more.
@@jeffdughman9741
You sell radios I bet 😂. Been trying enough, I know what I want. Happy with V2 for now.
Seriously just the controller? Lol you're better off without that thing anyway. Doesn't that thing limit you to sbus only?
The stand alone Rx will lend you a better experience and locked in feeling if you flew something like express lrs. Sounds like a guy would pay 2k for a $500 machine lol. Maybe it's better you don't know what you're missing after all lol. i don't even fly dji and I know. But anyway if you like it you like it. Shrug
@@elxero2189
What was the point of your reply then? 😂 you don’t even fly DJI. Just to spray your opinion?
4:28 isn’t the dynamic range much better in the goggles than on recorded footage? I saw Bob Roogi demonstrating this on his review video
Bought one to try and Goggles V2... Had to see for myself... The advantages are right in line with my flying style...we'll look and see. Thanks for your objectivity!
Having on board 4k recording not having to mount Go2 is nice. But u r paying $60 more than Vista with nebula pro I believe adds up on multiple quads. But u save weight on small quads. Extra 10g (some quads some reason have weighed like 20 to 30g more guess frame got bigger to hold it)
I'm get O3 for a quad but not buying getting goggle 2 yet
YES 100% never look Back
How about penetration and long range compared to v2?
Does the O3 unit work with DJI fpv controller the big black one ????
O3 is worth it to me because of the on board recording. No need for a goofy runcam naked or insta360 camera on smaller quads. All in one, elegant.
By the way, using a non-linear camera raw exposure slider, on a screenshot you dragged into photoshop from wherever else, is not how rendering software and the exposure algo in the decoder works.
In the actual file there will be much more detail than in your screenshot, and camera raw isn't really for this and your test doesn't really say anything about the range of the camera itself.
The low light sensitivity is going to suffer because of how dense the photosites are, as you say. More noise at higher ISO's.
I'd much rather have a 2k image with better noise and low light, but then we lose pixel real estate for gyroflow to use.. as well as 4K being a better marketing proposition than 2K, when aimed at people who always think bigger better.
Thanks for the thoughts 🙏🏻
Iso settings have an impact on dynamic range.
Waiting for dynamic range update
I think the 03 is absolutely worth it in nice clear weather. And yes, it records in 4K. However, I fly quite a lot indoors in the evening, with artificial light and dark areas. Especially in dark areas, the 03 really can't compete with the 1st Dji Air Unit or the Caddx Vista, you really can't see where you're flying 😞 😞
wait what? the o3 air unit has even worse low light performance than the vista? My analog cams have way better low light than my vista (like a polar or better)
I was gonna get o3 on my next quad but if the low light is even worse that's a bit of a down side
@@definingslawek4731 Sorry, but this is my experience. Have many Drones, with the DJI Air Unit and the Caddx Vista, and will keep them :-) :-)
@@definingslawek4731 I put the O3 on an RC car and drove into my living room where I only had the kitchen light on. Any and all analog cams I've tried gave me very good visibility that only got much more clear with more lights on. I couldn't see a damn thing with the O3. Complete and total blackness.
I'm not upgrading .
Knoxville, Tennesse fpv.
I have 6 03 air units and new frames and stacks. Just waiting o. My goggles.
the best the 4k 60 ultra wide is by far the best image so smooth I do not want to fly my vista because of the binding back and forth is so annoying so all 03 air units in all my quads cannot fly anything else through my V2 goggles the smoothness is crazy by far the best system I cannot fly analog either now I was flying analog more with the vista , vista gets that stutter the 03 has almost eliminated it with the V2 144 hz goggles will get the goggles 2 for cinematic and the v2 for freestyle i think would be the ideal combo I really cant wait everyday to fly the 03 in these new frames out just an awesome experience
What setting do you use on the O3 camera for the best latency, low light footage, and picture quality? 2.7k 120fps 4:3? I am using the Goggles V2
You cannot correct the dark areas of jpgs, never and nowhere. 8 Bit color depth doesn‘s allow that, what will you gain of 20-30 different dsrk values when you pull them up? For this you need tiff or raw, 12 or even 16bit.
But beside this not usable way of showing the problem - it remains to be at least a bad color curve, more likely a bad dynamic range.
If it would at least have a usable OSD for non-Betaflight FCs (Arduplane…), but currently this thing is just „not ready“ :-(
Is the latency better on o3 compared to V2? :)
All looks very good. I have a dji air unit that wouldn't show a picture in my goggles. I put another one in the drone and it worked so no issues with setup or wiring of the quad. I put the the first one back in and nothing. I took the antennas off (under a fan) and powered it up and there was a picture again. Plugged the antennas back in and powered up and no picture again. They are original dji antennas. I did this ten times and the result was the same every time. Anyone have any idea what is going on? Thanks.
Does the 03 have a baked in altitude lock or can I hypothetically fly as high as I want?
The O3 doesn't know how high you are. There's no lock.
Why my dji o3 doesnt record with audio
Is there a noticeable difference in the latency using the 03 with the V2 goggles compared to the Vista and V2 goggles running on 120 FPS
Chris Rosser has a great video comparing the latency differences. On average, its about 5ms difference. For me at least, I would rather have 1080p 100fps than 810p 120fps. Especially in 4x3 modes, the extra 270 lines of resolution is a night and day difference.
@@matthewbradley8971 👍
So with the air unit do I have to use the dji transmitter or cam I use a different one like the tx16
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about latency
The only people I've seen 'complain' about it are the ones running in one of the high latency modes (60fps) which is the default. Its a 10-12ms difference between high and low latency modes. I think around 28ms is your sweet spot where its barely noticeable. Now switching back and forth between this and HDZero would be tough on muscle memory. 3ms is latency is almost cheating.
Would nd filters help? Ive seen some clip on camera filers for the o3
@jousha can u suggest me a best not a long range if I ask like that u will that will differ according to place and situation it will differ so that y am asking to know about how to get a best range with dji goggles integra and o3 unit with Elrs rp1 and Tx16s. Please give me some suggestions about your knowledge
How do we record with a radiomaster zorro with the 03 air unit
Mine shakes 😢
if anyone has a good hydrophobe gopro 9/10 mount with the 03 with no mount in viuew please send my way! im a dji fanboy so not a good person to comment lol. i still dont think it gets rid of gopro but man oh man is it fun to fly
I have the O3 and the range is poor compared to my vista
Most pilots frees, dont need o3
100% yes because it is black ;-)
To not completely praise the 03 is insane, this video DEFFO didn’t age well.
No INAV, so not worth it.