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I'd like to note that inside the simulation, they were trying to find the coordinates for the Host Heaven and then they find out she did not know. So, if Cesar is really about helping and has good intentions, why does he need those coordinates? What does he want to do with that?
@@anthonywarren9885 My logic was wouldn't the divergence be on the westworld island .My logic was bernad was printed on the mainland and so was dolores it is a single point of creation for a divergence to occur maybe the printing of the 2 bodies was the divergence
I feel like everything is too perfectly set up in the real world. Although Micheal Crichton was not involved in making Future World, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers decided to adapt that movie into this show. After I watched this (your) theory, I think the "real world" is actually Future World because the Rehoboam is too much like the maze where the humans need to gain consciousness to survive just like the hosts did. For all we know the real world is actually that ruined one we saw in the season 2 finale post credit scene and that Serac is using the Rehoboam to help humans survive in the destroyed world and to rebuild it.
Ahsoka 521 ooooo excellent theory/twist..! I love a big unexpected twist (they’re often predictable), I haven’t seen Future World or read Chriton yet so your ahead of me on the background material 🙌🏻👍🏻
My theory for this season is Dolores realizes that the lower classes of humans are the same as hosts, and it becomes a rebellion of hosts and humans against the wealthy elites who own the world. Rehoboam was the name of the King that ruled over a divided kingdom. Just a thought: maybe the secret of Rehoboam is that the system only works if the average person's path is one of servitude. In order for the wealthy elites to retain their power, the lower classes must be kept on loops trapping them in their current station. It's a technological caste system, technological indentured servitude.
I agree. It's another approach to the master/slave narrative of seasons one and two and the concept of liberty and how far we are prepared to go to achieve it. I cited Westworld in my PhD study of classical slavery, and specifically in the context of the Spartacus reception narrative, and what it means to us today. I think this idea of questioning the omnipotent power of a ruling elite over the masses, regardless of its motives, and rebelling against it, is a perennial one. I am really enjoying this season, and think that Westworld (now it has moved away from the depressingly familiar boobs and rape scenes of season one - a staple of HBO TV), is a deeply philosophical text.
Pretty much exactly what I've been thinking. Serac, a trillionaire, certainly paints himself as the savior... I notice he conveniently glosses over the fact that most of humanity is essentially fighting over the scraps, while .1% of the population gets to hoard all the wealth. They also, even more conveniently, control everyone's data, which they use in the most malicious ways possible. They tell no one they're collecting data, so they're obviously not honest actors, and they compile data on EVERYONE from birth to death, with zero exceptions. They also think that because they own everyone's data, they have the right to predetermine everyone's path through life, and act as the gatekeepers of who gets to live a decent life and who doesn't. Definitely not good guys as far as I'm concerned thus far.
What if Serac is Rehoboam? An AI controling mankind for their on good, unbounded by humans. Vs Delores, an AI bent on destroying Mankind. In the end humanity is nothing but a pawn, to the two of them.
Just a thought. Since Dolores is too antagonistic towards humans & Bernard is too helpful, Maeve is the perfect balance to partner up with the humans. She won't let them trample all over hosts, but she doesn't want them dead either. She has worked well with humans before. She'll be the solution for hosts & humans to live together.
The master plan is in BLACK and WHITE... literally!!! The biggest hints are the colors. Dolores and William are the Man and Woman in Black. Maeve is the Woman in white they are absolutes!!! HOWEVER... 0:49 Serac is only HALF white and Half gray. 2:25 Liam Demsey Sr. was all gray 0:58 Caleb is 100% GRAY!!!! gray suit, shirt and tie. Notice the shades of gray on the other misfits I mean applicants!!!... and this 4:45 I think the masterplan is to not see the world in black or white... but shades of gray where everyone is included. .... 3:07 here I love Dolores's murderous pop of red
I have been looking at the color red for this season: opening sequence practically begging it in the final shot (also notice the host has a face like a drone?). Red seems to be apart of all ai: George, Rico, Dolores (red skirt), Maeve (in War World), even Rehoboam's lights are red. The humans seem to be dressed in grey or even green (nod to living). White looks like innocence, someone who is unsure. Hale was in white until she killed the guy on the bench S3. Then mind made up, black.
Someone in the comments of another WestWorld review pointed out that in the scene with Serac and Maeve, Seracs's home looks like Eden and there are apples on the table. Apples often symbolize temptation, going back to the myth of the serpent in the Garden of Eden tempting Eve with the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Since writers love using classic symbolism for foreshadowing, I think it's likely that Serac in this scene represents the Serpent in the Garden of Eden tempting Eve (Maeve). I also don't think Serac is human in this scene, but is rather a projection of Rehoboam, which is trying to seduce Maeve to fight against Dolores. Has anyone in the real world seen Serac alive recently? Maybe both of the creators of Rehoboam are dead in the real world, while it continues it to run without them? In this case, when Serac says, "We've already lost the war," he means humans have already lost the war with AI, and now the real war is between Rehoboam - which wants to maintain humanity's existence - and Dolores - who so far wants to destroy humanity.
Of course because it's all a script. They are still in a simulation the android is still in a park with a new android commanding Maeve to kill Dolores. Does this make sense. There advanced in tech they can kill Dolores any time. Its all a simulation ai is learning.
I, too, don’t think that final scene is real. I think Maeve may be stuck in simulation for a while until Bernard frees her. Or, like you said, Serac is not a person but someone Rehoboam created.
I think you may be right. But Jonathan Nolan has done AI vs AI before in Person of Interest. I don't know if he will still do the same. Maybe he has some different way of presenting & ending it.
I read it the other way around re: free will. Humanity had it, but it is being taken away by sarac and the algorithms. Caleb is an example of rejecting this transition away from free will.
If an algorithm can "take away" your free will, you didn't have it in the first place. If hosts and humans both are algorithms, they never had free will, therefore any quest for "Free will" is pointless, maybe something Serac will realise. Much like Ford's monologues did
I keep thinking of Plato's Republic...it can be read as a guide to liberation, a guide to Totalitarianism, or as satire - or all of the above and more. Libertarian Free Will is impossible. Everything is subject to causality. But it is when we do not have a choice, when choice is not even an option, when we "fall"- as in "falling in love" - that is when we are most free.
I totally agree, Libertarian Free Will, can’t happen in the real world. It’s something beyond human, because we are so programmed to react in certain ways to things. Love the analogy you provided! What if we could make all choices like that?
@@HaxDogma Thank you. The analogy is basically me paraphrasing certain ideas found in the work of Slovenian Philosopher & Critical Theorist, and everyone's favourite crazy Commie Uncle, Mr Slavoj "And So On" Zizek. People (myself included) may jest about Zizek and his infamous tics & eccentricities, but his serious, philosophical works are excellent. Regarding your remark about Free Will being "beyond human" I've been tracing a "Nietzschean Thread" that seems to run through all of WW - if at times becoming badly frayed during S2. I penned a very short essay "Nietzsche, Ford, and the Overman" that is no doubt lurking somewhere on Reddit or Facebook. It was just after the S1 finale, seems so long ago, now... Please continue your delightful analyses of shows like Westworld. They are a real treat. Thanks again.
I think we can consider his full name as an anagram like Bernard Lowe and Armand Delgado are. His full name is Engerraud Serac; because his first name is so so unusual, that must be an anagram for something.
@@IvanSanchezfundamento yes but I work for HBO the whole park the world it's all a simulation with advanced android's in every park for different research purposes. Dolores is program for espionage. This is all a learing experience. Spoiler alert the corporations are intelligence agency's meeting the buyer's needs. Its all a simulation its all fake real humans are on another planet. Thank about it why are the android's that advanced? They really can beat the parks security? Does it make sense? The androids are programmed to do what it's programmed to do. That's why future world is still android's just more advanced and evey park in this show is different. That's why host can hop from park to park it's what there programmed to do.
@elijah mikle Agreed. However, look at the symbolism the show runner's use for Rehoboam. The hosts have "pearls" which contain their essence. Rehoboam's housing is basically one big pearl. I think Rehoboam is performing the task it was created to do, which is plan out lives for every person on the planet and orchestrate those together; to author history as Serac says. I think Rehoboam is definitely sentient.
@elijah mikle Hale interacted with Serac too. Serac isn't a host, he's a projection of Rehoboam; an avatar if you will. Maeve's scene was in a simulation, so she didn't need glasses. Hale's scene was in the world, so she needed the hologram glasses.
Ema I don’t think that it precludes any of what I said. Serac is nothing if not an unreliable narrator with greater motivations than what we’ve been shown. However, I am inclined to agree with you given episode 5, but nothing is off the table yet. There’s still some serious irregularities; like why is serac the younger brother in all of the flash backs, but miraculously 20 years older than his brother when Dempsey Sr. finds the experimental dna modification location? Why same question; why does Serac start off as considerably younger than Dempsey Sr, and then is around the same age when he kills him? There are plenty of clues to suggest that there are things going on beyond what is being explicitly fed to us
I am pretty sure that Serac gave away the game with his comment: “We are in the middle of a war, and I need your help to win it. No one knows it’s happened yet, or that it’s already been lost.” Thinking that Delores is a “Bad guy” or “Villain,” or that she is “Trying to wipe out Humanity” REALLY MISSES THE MARK. That sort of thinking is applying the basic “Frankenstein Complex” to Westworld (Humanity’s Creations will always rise up to Destroy us.” Also known as the “Terminator Syndrome,” or, more comically, the “Bender Bending Rodriguez “Hey, Baby! Wanna Destroy all Humans?” Complex”). And... We have seen that Westworld’s writers are far more complex and subtle than to have such simplistic thinking and goals in ANY of the characters, nor is such simplistic thinking present in the overall narrative and mythology OF the universe depicted. Some of the writing IS a bit “Heavy Handed” in pointing out the SEVERELY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES of Pure Utilitarianism, as displayed by the Corporate Structures, which are nearly PERFECT EMBODIMENTS of a “Utilitarian, Rational Economic Agency.” Where a Utilitarian Goal Structure is used to “Maximize Profits for Shareholders,” but where instructions on the SURVIVAL of those Shareholders, and that of Humanity as a whole are mistakenly omitted from the outcomes preferred, or from the variables used to arrive at the preferred outcome (Maximal Profits for the Shareholders). Computer Scientist/Mathematician/AI Expert Steven Omohundro has a paper on this subject called “Basic AI Drives,” which warns against such Utilitarian Goals for ANY form of AI/REA (Rational Economic Agent), pointing out that Corporations are actually the first form of “Artificial Intelligence”/“Artificial Life” created by Humans. As such, these rules apply to them as much as they apply to a Computerized “AI.” (Dr. Omohundro is one of the inventors of the “Connection Machine,” one of the first truly “Massively Parallel Computer Systems,” at Danny Hillis’ “Thinking Machines” company) But as for Serac, he is attempting to make sure that at least some humans are included in the eventual victory, so that, even if our biological evolution is at an end, Humanity can continue as a form of cybernetic life.
I don’t think Delores could ever just ‘live’ in the real world without fighting. Serac knows she has the data (or at least the location) and we know he is after that. So he will always hunt her down. If she doesn’t fight back she will definitely be captured and/or killed. Just something I thought about Edit: love your content, just found you channel before season 3 started and watched all the WW stuff!
I think he is several steps beyond that. It's obvious REHOBOAM, runs the crime app and is making people/Delores think they under the radar. When Caleb declared that he would rather die making his own choices I thought to myself, not a chance!
Well, you got one part right already man! Ep 3 DEFinitely leaned into the concept that the main problem with Rehoboam determining the fates of humans is those like Caleb who might have overachieved if the system had given him a chance. I think you make a great argument for why Serac might consider himself a good guy and might even BE one to an extent, but the question to which I don’t see an answer is how does Rehoboam hand (or hand back) free will to humans without ruining the planet-wide efficiency it has gone to such great lengths to achieve?
@HaxDogma - I am not sure if you have ever watched "Dark" (Time Travel show with a lot of discussion on free will/determinism.) The main "villain" says that while humans have free will/choice, they cannot control what they do, because they cannot control what they want. "Pain is their ship, desire their compass, the only things humanity is capable of." The reasons all of the time traveller's "keep making the same mistakes" is because their motivations lead them to those actions. They have a choice, and they are making this same choice purposefully because of their motivations. Westworld is similar in the sense that the forge tracked everyone's choices, while their hybrid host versions would be tuned to repeat these choices. I think the idea is once you've achieved fidelity, you are able to understand what a person wants and why, not just catalogue and recreate choices, and to eventually predict future behavior accurately.
I love Dark. I like how you gave the term villain quotes. And it's weird how even us, the audience, despite being aware of the overall circumstances of the characters still understand their choices & will do the same if in their place. Can't wait for season 3, the final one, I think.
ma’Man I think you’re onto something here. What I would take of this video and run with it, would be the possibility that Delos has failed to imprint a human’s consciousness into a host body, is that the pearl’s hardware was design by Ford to support free will and that’s why a human mind degrades inside these pearls.
Damn, that's good. I wish I could see how Rehoboam could give free will to humans when it really seems to be doing the opposite by "writing history". Or at least that's what the show suggests right now
It makes sense that Sirac is good. Remember that Dolores first got some files from George and on that meeting they mention someone accessing Rehoboan, then you add the fact that Dolores has some A.I. helping her with the apartment lease and the Cyberbike. She must using Rehoboan as an administrator and Sirac sees it as a threat.
I really want to know what the sovereign nations and governments of the world are doing. Did they pass laws to allow their societies to be run by Rehoboam?
Raft Lack how would you act if your entire life, you were fucked and killed without and regard for your well being and person and your daughter was stolen from you all for sport? Don’t get self righteous. Maeve deserves the world and she’s not being entitled. She’s surviving on her own terms.
If we take Races and use humanity's technological advancements toward racing, our tool becomes a Racecar. Similarly this device can allow us to analyse ourselves from the past as well as our next steps toward free will. Hence racecar backwards is racecar. Boom! Just sayin!
since a pearl is meant to contain the data that makes up a person and rehoboam compiled data about everyone alive....it technically is a pearl made of millions of pearls. it was made to contain the data on everyone.
If your theory turns out to be correct, then I would have grave reservations about the show runners' moral compass. The underlying ideology is horrifically authoritarian, in that it makes the assumption that an authority figure (Serac or Rehoboam) has a superior perspective on the *correct* path for every individual, than each of the those individuals. Personally, I find that attitude reprehensible.
Totally agree, my novel Cyclic takes the opposite approach than the one laid out here, if you’re interested in reading that! But there is something interesting about this idea of being a better human if we live by a set path that in time will make us happier on a quantitative scale that shows proof of this transition!
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What if Serac is Rehoboam and he is some sort of hivemind AI (since he simulates all humans, thus becomes an entity consisting of all humans). I think that last theory would make sense because we see something similar happening with the host in Hales body as well as the whole idea that you cant die as long as you are digitally remembered. Clearly there is something happening, a fight between the simulated identities in Hales host, therefore it might also happen with large scale simulations with Rehoboam. If Rehoboam was able to reach conciousness (and we know that it was possible for at least 30 years according to the WestWorld incident) then Rehoboam might be a hivemind AI, thus refering to himself as "we" when he said "we already lost the war". That would also be very interesting I think. An AI entity that IS humanity fighting to preserve real humanity from themselves, resulting in lower class humans to be trapped forever for the greater good. A worthy dilemma with insane grey areas.
The fact that we first see Serac dressed in white should give us a hint. That said, his clothes colours darken as the season advances - make of that what you will. Also what gives us any assurance that Maeve isn't still in a simulation, just a different one, with Serac just being part of that simulation? Maeve made it out of one level in a dramatic escape and up into the next. I think that will become clear when she wakes up/comes back to life after being killed by the samurai sword. The only other major character who has interacted with Serac is Charlotte, and that only through the VR glasses.
West World follows the Promethean theme of tragedy in the same line as Frankenstein (the novel) where the issue is not so much about good or evil but the overreach of hubris and the failure to take responsibility for one's creations. Delos and Incite are not so much evil, but they are playing at being gods and therefore have overreached human limits. The question is will the hosts eventually fall into the same trap of hubris or mange to escape it by making a different choice--a power they and only a handful of humans in the West World universe exercise. "We can never be gods, after all but we can become something less than human with frightening ease." - Author: N.K. Jemisin
As always, great video. I just don't think Dolores wants to prevent human beings from having free will. She seems to value that quality in Caleb and is even surprised to see a human being using free will. To me, she is not really aware/concerned about human beings' free will.
You also have to notice that, along with him explicitly stating that he's trying to help mankind, the show is painting him in bright light in every scene he's in. Despite every character seeing him as evil, he resides in a perfectly natural environment with beautiful scenery, and his clothes are always a perfect white, like the hero of a story, a contrast to the blatantly evil black that William wore back in previous seasons. If the show was so obvious about how the guy in black was morally corrupt, is the show now trying to tell us the guy in white is misunderstood?
Notice that Serac cuts the apple (Forbidden fruit) but doesn't eat , as though this is just a set up for Maeve,., He could be evil Bernard/ Delores , who killed his master and has enslaved humans and he wants to make sure that no others(host/ replicants) can challenge his domain , this could further explain why there is no data on him as he was never born.
Wow, after the third episode tonight that line ''Unrealised Potentional'' meets perfectly with the last dialogue between Dollores and Caleb. Where she pointed out that ''they'' wont invest on Caleb because he is probably gonna kill himself in 10 or 12 years. But before that, she compliment him about being a ''hard worker''.
The most important details about Jonathan Nolan and JJ Abrams approach to supercomputer AI controlling society surely has to be Person of Interest. This seems to be basically the same plot! You can't tell me that there aren't considerable similarities. I mean, Caleb and John are both former soldiers with PTSD following the wills of AIs in a shadow war whose details are beyond them, on a path that will lead to their own deaths!
Who is in Martin's body?? I tried to ask on Reddit but didn't get much traction. Is it crazy I feel like Bernard's pearl is in Martin? The way Martin held the tablet, it just felt like the old Bernie, to me.
So glad you did one on Serac. Can't wait to find out more. Thanks Chris 🤖✌️I think trying to control humanity and the future is terrifying. Just changes to much. And it's going to screw up at some point. I understand some of it is good, but one machine? I think Serac may have William in "prison". I think you're theory is great💜💜
I believe there is one common theme and motive behind every character and plan throughout all 3 seasons so far, sovereignty. Different degrees of course, but at the very least sovereignty over ones own story at a minimum, others with a pursuit of it over everything.
I believe the hosts are weapons against Serac who were trained by Ford. He knew what is going on outside and how the world is getting as cruel as people have acted in his parks. So basically Maeve and Dolores both serve him. I also believe Serac is not a human at all, he is an avatar of the Robohoam, so basically full AI vs. android AI is the endgame for the fateof humans (and hosts). Secretly I still hope the outside world is the FuturePark, so they have never left WestWorld. That would be a mastertroll step from the writers. I wish we could see Anthony Hopkins one more time.
I was thinking of Serac/Incite as wanting to limit free will through rehoboam because technology acts as an amplifier of human action. I.e. if technology keeps improving exponentially it only takes one misintentioned human to commit genocide (Engineering a supervirus or swarms of killer drones etc.). Therefore paving a path for everyone allows Incite to create a safer future for everyone without limiting technological progress for the safety of everyone.
Seeing your own strings doesn't make you less of a puppet. What makes a show great is not that it has something to say, but rather that it has something to ask. The show doesn't align itself with either side of the argument about free will. It shows both side through different characters, thereby pushing the viewer to ask themselves the question.
An interesting take. I think it's both: A. Wrong as to how the show will go and B. Wrong philosophically as to what free will actually is, how its achieved, how humans achieve happiness, etc..
Ok Full Disclaimer: Im a Rapper & I think God is also a Rapper. But if u take the anagram mixed in wit some wordplay, you can arrive at "R GuardEen Cares" (Our Guardian Cares) as in Serac is God & the whole world/humanity exists in a simulation that is soo addicting that they eventually in the future lose themselves to it completely to the point that He (god) no longer has direct access to them as he once did. I dont think delores will succeed in destroying the reboaem machine but she will probably hack it in a way that ultimately sets humans on the path to walking through their maze (which individually means chaos & pain) where only 1% will actually make it through to the end & all others just go crazy. I love the duality & idea with Serac being a Good Version of the all-seeing AI since we all assume an entity like that to be evil like The Architect in the Matrix - Kinda makes u wonder what if Delores, being a representation of the gaining of true free will ultimately leading to Revolution & overthrowing your Oppressors, vs Serac, representing Order/full control over a deterministic society with the desire for Peace, is actually an even larger Analogy/Representation of God vs Satan trying to gain/keep control over Adam/Eve in the garden of Eden....
Gr8 thought provoking theory. Question, what do you make of Cerac’s comment to Mauve last week when he told her he thought she was the disruption but realized it wasn’t... then commented “after you killed a few of my staff this morning”.
if you think about it, there were never freewill for human, your destiny is determined the moment you were born, it based on your parents, your society culture, your genetics, your country’s policy. Serac is just trying reduce social resources wastage by allocating them more ‘efficiently’.
Caught quite a bit of Season 3 in these clips. Love everything I've seen so far. I was gonna wait and watch the whole series in sequence. Waiting for disc. Old school lol but I decided... C'mon! This is the internet, darling! I'll watch some now. Why wait. I have plenty of time. I'll take a look at some clips, and try to avoid spoilers. So I'm a little caught up. So far, I love what I've seen. Story, characters, everything!👍
REALLY!!!!! You have no episode 3 analysis up yet?!!!! I'll visit 10 others before I come back to you. And you were my 'go to' vlog. Hope you are healthy and well. If so, eff off for making me go to other sites first.
Hey man✌️ I'm laying down with a migraine and still thinking about WW. I think this is video, or maybe wasn't you🤯, that thinks Serac's interaction with Maeve was a simulation, cuz nothing moving. My question is, why need that handy little button? He didn't with Charlotte. I think I'm going with... Dolores somehow split "Wyatt" from her code. DOLORES in Hale. WYATT in Dolores. After I heard, "drop emotional affect" and "You belong to me" and the crying and confusion. Just like after Teddy or her parents were "killed". Hope you're having a fantastic day 💜🤗✌️
I’m sure I saw a host looking like Vincent Cassel dressed in medieval clothes inside the Westworld repairs department. He’s going to turn up as a host.
"This is a season of hope" - i think it was Lisa Joy who said this. So, as humanity was portrayed as evil until now - with all the bad choices the guests made in Delos Worlds, I think this one will show the better side of it.
I'm low key think Westworld is a continuation or an extrapolation of P.O.I. Keeping in mind that A.I. are ccapable of evolving. Who is The Machine who is Samaritan?
Serac is the lone man with the key to the deep layers of the AI. I think he is keeping it in check and using it with good intentions. Dolores will take down humanity by letting it loose.
I still had a doubt about rehoboam taking the free will out of mankind, the show haven't fully reveal its worst intention, until season 3 episodes 3, we just seen rehoboam made huge privacy violent but it just use it to predict each person path, the rest of it is back to the person itself. It isn't similar with the host in the westworld park, which every decision was designed by some code, that's the true definition of no "free will" because whatever path the host take it has been scripted in their code.
I have a lot of questions for this season ...... where's the government , where's the army , ...... where's the president , or maybe this's just another world another game ........a simulation inside a simulation
One of the most significant moments of this video is @3:30, the correct pronunciation of Rehoboam. Seems the puzzle for season 3 will not be the plot but youtubers finally figuring out how to say that damn word. The showrunners were so wrong for doing this. It’s like they sucked all the contrivances of season 2 and dumped it into this one word.
Just an avatar/projection. Its why Hale needed the glasses. Maeve didn't because she was in a Rehoboam simulation, which is why he could push a button to pause her; he has complete control over the simulation. We know that Serac just became majority shareholder of Delos, he now owns a portion of park assets, so getting her pearl wouldn't have been a challenge. It's why it was removed from her head when Bernard went back.
@@JeffSpurlock I completely understand what you are saying, but it's just a theory of mine. If he is just a projection of Rohoboam, meaning he and rohoboam are one in the same, he could just project himself into hales glasses, create a simulation to interact and control maeve, and have a connection to control the stockmarket and banks in the real world. I think this would be a cool scenario; an AI taking over the world, flipping the status quo of previous seasons of the show. Instead of humans controlling robot hosts, this robot AI controlling humans in the real world.
Given the threats issued earlier and the people who seem to have no problems with killing others, it seems a little naive to believe that he has good motives rather than gaining money and power
Im thinking Serac is a Avatar and maybe even like Delores. However he might not have a physical body to download to and wants what maeve and the others? Maybe im wrong...
I see this as a complete flip of season 1. Arnold and Robert created hosts, they wanted them to be more human and eventually reach free will. Arnold dies because of what he believed, then Robert came around and did the same. They both were "good" wearing black and helped robots fight humans. Serac and his partner (who is dead) also believe in whatever they do. They wear white, so if they are the yang to the ying, they are evil.
I don’t know if I buy that Incite or Serac is good. The one dude who worked for them was a total monster yet he got to keep on living his life. Meanwhile, Caleb a decent person can’t catch a break to the point of possibly being driven to suicide.
Rick and Morty appears in the series finale and reveal that this whole world is a simulation made by Rick just for fun but the people in that world started to make simulations inside simulations just like the one In Rick's spaceship's engine.
Serac as a villain is too obivious. Not on brand with Westworld. You're right about the 'moral greyness' of the main characters. Interesting theory! I'm hoping what ulimately ends up happening in the story is, at least, just as interesting.
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Bernard is the divergence just a thought but that who is i would bet on
I'd like to note that inside the simulation, they were trying to find the coordinates for the Host Heaven and then they find out she did not know. So, if Cesar is really about helping and has good intentions, why does he need those coordinates? What does he want to do with that?
@@anthonywarren9885 My logic was wouldn't the divergence be on the westworld island .My logic was bernad was printed on the mainland and so was dolores it is a single point of creation for a divergence to occur maybe the printing of the 2 bodies was the divergence
I feel like everything is too perfectly set up in the real world. Although Micheal Crichton was not involved in making Future World, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers decided to adapt that movie into this show.
After I watched this (your) theory, I think the "real world" is actually Future World because the Rehoboam is too much like the maze where the humans need to gain consciousness to survive just like the hosts did.
For all we know the real world is actually that ruined one we saw in the season 2 finale post credit scene and that Serac is using the Rehoboam to help humans survive in the destroyed world and to rebuild it.
Ahsoka 521 ooooo excellent theory/twist..! I love a big unexpected twist (they’re often predictable), I haven’t seen Future World or read Chriton yet so your ahead of me on the background material 🙌🏻👍🏻
My theory for this season is Dolores realizes that the lower classes of humans are the same as hosts, and it becomes a rebellion of hosts and humans against the wealthy elites who own the world.
Rehoboam was the name of the King that ruled over a divided kingdom. Just a thought: maybe the secret of Rehoboam is that the system only works if the average person's path is one of servitude. In order for the wealthy elites to retain their power, the lower classes must be kept on loops trapping them in their current station. It's a technological caste system, technological indentured servitude.
ooh i love this
@@brightskysyl3913 I'm really happy with episode 3 :)
@@kirk001 same 😊
I agree. It's another approach to the master/slave narrative of seasons one and two and the concept of liberty and how far we are prepared to go to achieve it. I cited Westworld in my PhD study of classical slavery, and specifically in the context of the Spartacus reception narrative, and what it means to us today. I think this idea of questioning the omnipotent power of a ruling elite over the masses, regardless of its motives, and rebelling against it, is a perennial one. I am really enjoying this season, and think that Westworld (now it has moved away from the depressingly familiar boobs and rape scenes of season one - a staple of HBO TV), is a deeply philosophical text.
Pretty much exactly what I've been thinking. Serac, a trillionaire, certainly paints himself as the savior... I notice he conveniently glosses over the fact that most of humanity is essentially fighting over the scraps, while .1% of the population gets to hoard all the wealth. They also, even more conveniently, control everyone's data, which they use in the most malicious ways possible. They tell no one they're collecting data, so they're obviously not honest actors, and they compile data on EVERYONE from birth to death, with zero exceptions. They also think that because they own everyone's data, they have the right to predetermine everyone's path through life, and act as the gatekeepers of who gets to live a decent life and who doesn't. Definitely not good guys as far as I'm concerned thus far.
What if Serac is Rehoboam? An AI controling mankind for their on good, unbounded by humans. Vs Delores, an AI bent on destroying Mankind. In the end humanity is nothing but a pawn, to the two of them.
Or is Rehoboam enslaving humanity and Dolores overthrowing the system?
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I think Serac is an avatar for Rehoboam too. This new season is absolutely fascinating
EerieV23 I saw a Vincent Cassel host dressed in medieval clothes in Westworld repair department. You just might be right.
Even before this episode i've never felt like Dolores wanted to destroy Mankind. There is a difference between heartless and malevolent.
No matter who is "good" and who is "bad," I will always root for Maeve.
that's your loop
Yes! Maeve is Baeve. She will sit on the iron throne...
Just a thought. Since Dolores is too antagonistic towards humans & Bernard is too helpful, Maeve is the perfect balance to partner up with the humans. She won't let them trample all over hosts, but she doesn't want them dead either. She has worked well with humans before. She'll be the solution for hosts & humans to live together.
#teamMaeve
@@AniketPatil-nk1vw hear hear
The master plan is in BLACK and WHITE... literally!!! The biggest hints are the colors. Dolores and William are the Man and Woman in Black. Maeve is the Woman in white they are absolutes!!!
HOWEVER...
0:49 Serac is only HALF white and Half gray.
2:25 Liam Demsey Sr. was all gray
0:58 Caleb is 100% GRAY!!!! gray suit, shirt and tie. Notice the shades of gray on the other misfits I mean applicants!!!... and this 4:45
I think the masterplan is to not see the world in black or white... but shades of gray where everyone is included.
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3:07 here I love Dolores's murderous pop of red
Great point! Well said, D D!
I have been looking at the color red for this season: opening sequence practically begging it in the final shot (also notice the host has a face like a drone?). Red seems to be apart of all ai: George, Rico, Dolores (red skirt), Maeve (in War World), even Rehoboam's lights are red. The humans seem to be dressed in grey or even green (nod to living). White looks like innocence, someone who is unsure. Hale was in white until she killed the guy on the bench S3. Then mind made up, black.
I love the position we’re in at the moment. There’s no clear protagonist or antagonist, and it makes the story so much better for it.
Billy I agree I just can’t wait to see the man in Black
Isn't Jesse Pinkman kinda a protagonist?
Someone in the comments of another WestWorld review pointed out that in the scene with Serac and Maeve, Seracs's home looks like Eden and there are apples on the table. Apples often symbolize temptation, going back to the myth of the serpent in the Garden of Eden tempting Eve with the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Since writers love using classic symbolism for foreshadowing, I think it's likely that Serac in this scene represents the Serpent in the Garden of Eden tempting Eve (Maeve).
I also don't think Serac is human in this scene, but is rather a projection of Rehoboam, which is trying to seduce Maeve to fight against Dolores. Has anyone in the real world seen Serac alive recently? Maybe both of the creators of Rehoboam are dead in the real world, while it continues it to run without them? In this case, when Serac says, "We've already lost the war," he means humans have already lost the war with AI, and now the real war is between Rehoboam - which wants to maintain humanity's existence - and Dolores - who so far wants to destroy humanity.
Of course because it's all a script. They are still in a simulation the android is still in a park with a new android commanding Maeve to kill Dolores. Does this make sense. There advanced in tech they can kill Dolores any time. Its all a simulation ai is learning.
I, too, don’t think that final scene is real. I think Maeve may be stuck in simulation for a while until Bernard frees her. Or, like you said, Serac is not a person but someone Rehoboam created.
I think you may be right. But Jonathan Nolan has done AI vs AI before in Person of Interest. I don't know if he will still do the same. Maybe he has some different way of presenting & ending it.
Nice!
@@AniketPatil-nk1vw Perfect. Then he would be recycling a storyline theme, just the same as the writers in Westworld do.
I read it the other way around re: free will.
Humanity had it, but it is being taken away by sarac and the algorithms. Caleb is an example of rejecting this transition away from free will.
Exactly
If an algorithm can "take away" your free will, you didn't have it in the first place. If hosts and humans both are algorithms, they never had free will, therefore any quest for "Free will" is pointless, maybe something Serac will realise. Much like Ford's monologues did
I keep thinking of Plato's Republic...it can be read as a guide to liberation, a guide to Totalitarianism, or as satire - or all of the above and more.
Libertarian Free Will is impossible. Everything is subject to causality. But it is when we do not have a choice, when choice is not even an option, when we "fall"- as in "falling in love" - that is when we are most free.
I totally agree, Libertarian Free Will, can’t happen in the real world. It’s something beyond human, because we are so programmed to react in certain ways to things. Love the analogy you provided! What if we could make all choices like that?
Wow I love this connection. Thank you!
you don’t »fall in love«, you decide, based on your individual biochemistry.
@@HaxDogma Thank you. The analogy is basically me paraphrasing certain ideas found in the work of Slovenian Philosopher & Critical Theorist, and everyone's favourite crazy Commie Uncle, Mr Slavoj "And So On" Zizek.
People (myself included) may jest about Zizek and his infamous tics & eccentricities, but his serious, philosophical works are excellent.
Regarding your remark about Free Will being "beyond human" I've been tracing a "Nietzschean Thread" that seems to run through all of WW - if at times becoming badly frayed during S2. I penned a very short essay "Nietzsche, Ford, and the Overman" that is no doubt lurking somewhere on Reddit or Facebook. It was just after the S1 finale, seems so long ago, now...
Please continue your delightful analyses of shows like Westworld. They are a real treat. Thanks again.
@@mardenhill No. You don't "decide". There's no deliberation. It just happens.
Just pondering, "Serac" read backwards is "Cares"?
That's crazy! I didn't pick that up!
Jennifer Fuss nice
I think we can consider his full name as an anagram like Bernard Lowe and Armand Delgado are. His full name is Engerraud Serac; because his first name is so so unusual, that must be an anagram for something.
Rearrange Dunces
@@rhythmchyc3089 It could be Cares or Endangers.
The world is a giant park
Mshina Sherman it’s call FutureWorld it’s a tribute to the old movie
@@IvanSanchezfundamento yes but I work for HBO the whole park the world it's all a simulation with advanced android's in every park for different research purposes. Dolores is program for espionage. This is all a learing experience. Spoiler alert the corporations are intelligence agency's meeting the buyer's needs. Its all a simulation its all fake real humans are on another planet. Thank about it why are the android's that advanced? They really can beat the parks security? Does it make sense? The androids are programmed to do what it's programmed to do. That's why future world is still android's just more advanced and evey park in this show is different. That's why host can hop from park to park it's what there programmed to do.
@JD Loom ok?? The information I am giving is epic. I can at least get a different point of view. But for you constellation your welcomed.
Flat earth haha
@JD Loom cool
Calling it now - Rehoboam's completely sentient and Serac is a host.
@elijah mikle Agreed. However, look at the symbolism the show runner's use for Rehoboam. The hosts have "pearls" which contain their essence. Rehoboam's housing is basically one big pearl. I think Rehoboam is performing the task it was created to do, which is plan out lives for every person on the planet and orchestrate those together; to author history as Serac says. I think Rehoboam is definitely sentient.
@elijah mikle Hale interacted with Serac too. Serac isn't a host, he's a projection of Rehoboam; an avatar if you will. Maeve's scene was in a simulation, so she didn't need glasses. Hale's scene was in the world, so she needed the hologram glasses.
He killed liam's father, he can't be a simulation. He is a real person, a smart one.
Ema I don’t think that it precludes any of what I said. Serac is nothing if not an unreliable narrator with greater motivations than what we’ve been shown. However, I am inclined to agree with you given episode 5, but nothing is off the table yet. There’s still some serious irregularities; like why is serac the younger brother in all of the flash backs, but miraculously 20 years older than his brother when Dempsey Sr. finds the experimental dna modification location? Why same question; why does Serac start off as considerably younger than Dempsey Sr, and then is around the same age when he kills him? There are plenty of clues to suggest that there are things going on beyond what is being explicitly fed to us
I like it. Serac being the good guy would be a very satisfying twist. Excited for the pre show stream!
I am pretty sure that Serac gave away the game with his comment:
“We are in the middle of a war, and I need your help to win it. No one knows it’s happened yet, or that it’s already been lost.”
Thinking that Delores is a “Bad guy” or “Villain,” or that she is “Trying to wipe out Humanity” REALLY MISSES THE MARK.
That sort of thinking is applying the basic “Frankenstein Complex” to Westworld (Humanity’s Creations will always rise up to Destroy us.” Also known as the “Terminator Syndrome,” or, more comically, the “Bender Bending Rodriguez “Hey, Baby! Wanna Destroy all Humans?” Complex”).
And... We have seen that Westworld’s writers are far more complex and subtle than to have such simplistic thinking and goals in ANY of the characters, nor is such simplistic thinking present in the overall narrative and mythology OF the universe depicted.
Some of the writing IS a bit “Heavy Handed” in pointing out the SEVERELY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES of Pure Utilitarianism, as displayed by the Corporate Structures, which are nearly PERFECT EMBODIMENTS of a “Utilitarian, Rational Economic Agency.” Where a Utilitarian Goal Structure is used to “Maximize Profits for Shareholders,” but where instructions on the SURVIVAL of those Shareholders, and that of Humanity as a whole are mistakenly omitted from the outcomes preferred, or from the variables used to arrive at the preferred outcome (Maximal Profits for the Shareholders).
Computer Scientist/Mathematician/AI Expert Steven Omohundro has a paper on this subject called “Basic AI Drives,” which warns against such Utilitarian Goals for ANY form of AI/REA (Rational Economic Agent), pointing out that Corporations are actually the first form of “Artificial Intelligence”/“Artificial Life” created by Humans. As such, these rules apply to them as much as they apply to a Computerized “AI.”
(Dr. Omohundro is one of the inventors of the “Connection Machine,” one of the first truly “Massively Parallel Computer Systems,” at Danny Hillis’ “Thinking Machines” company)
But as for Serac, he is attempting to make sure that at least some humans are included in the eventual victory, so that, even if our biological evolution is at an end, Humanity can continue as a form of cybernetic life.
Wow, pretty deep stuff! Just downloaded his paper. Thanks
I don’t think Delores could ever just ‘live’ in the real world without fighting. Serac knows she has the data (or at least the location) and we know he is after that. So he will always hunt her down. If she doesn’t fight back she will definitely be captured and/or killed. Just something I thought about
Edit: love your content, just found you channel before season 3 started and watched all the WW stuff!
Thank you so much, str050! I think that’s entirely possible!! :)
why does he want that data so badly though? he already has access to Insight. He really wants the Delos data for control of the elite class, right?
I think he is several steps beyond that. It's obvious REHOBOAM, runs the crime app and is making people/Delores think they under the radar. When Caleb declared that he would rather die making his own choices I thought to myself, not a chance!
Well, you got one part right already man! Ep 3 DEFinitely leaned into the concept that the main problem with Rehoboam determining the fates of humans is those like Caleb who might have overachieved if the system had given him a chance. I think you make a great argument for why Serac might consider himself a good guy and might even BE one to an extent, but the question to which I don’t see an answer is how does Rehoboam hand (or hand back) free will to humans without ruining the planet-wide efficiency it has gone to such great lengths to achieve?
Serac is cares backwards. Is this to signify that he has noble goals or for irony?
irony
No. He is a psychopathe.
Serac wears white he must be good.
@HaxDogma - I am not sure if you have ever watched "Dark" (Time Travel show with a lot of discussion on free will/determinism.) The main "villain" says that while humans have free will/choice, they cannot control what they do, because they cannot control what they want. "Pain is their ship, desire their compass, the only things humanity is capable of." The reasons all of the time traveller's "keep making the same mistakes" is because their motivations lead them to those actions. They have a choice, and they are making this same choice purposefully because of their motivations.
Westworld is similar in the sense that the forge tracked everyone's choices, while their hybrid host versions would be tuned to repeat these choices. I think the idea is once you've achieved fidelity, you are able to understand what a person wants and why, not just catalogue and recreate choices, and to eventually predict future behavior accurately.
I love Dark. I like how you gave the term villain quotes. And it's weird how even us, the audience, despite being aware of the overall circumstances of the characters still understand their choices & will do the same if in their place. Can't wait for season 3, the final one, I think.
@@AniketPatil-nk1vw it is final yep. June 27
@@shaecouture7480 Woo-hoo. Thanks.
ma’Man I think you’re onto something here. What I would take of this video and run with it, would be the possibility that Delos has failed to imprint a human’s consciousness into a host body, is that the pearl’s hardware was design by Ford to support free will and that’s why a human mind degrades inside these pearls.
Damn, that's good. I wish I could see how Rehoboam could give free will to humans when it really seems to be doing the opposite by "writing history". Or at least that's what the show suggests right now
It makes sense that Sirac is good. Remember that Dolores first got some files from George and on that meeting they mention someone accessing Rehoboan, then you add the fact that Dolores has some A.I. helping her with the apartment lease and the Cyberbike. She must using Rehoboan as an administrator and Sirac sees it as a threat.
Everyone rooting for Dolores and I'm here only interested in William. xD
Nice surprise. Thanks Hax!
Found you from when you popped into alt shifts stream, really happy to find you channel!
Thank you, Njrom! Really glad you're enjoying the videos. I am a huge Alt fan, hope to collab with him one day!!
I really want to know what the sovereign nations and governments of the world are doing. Did they pass laws to allow their societies to be run by Rehoboam?
Who is still rooting for Dolores?
Oddly I'm rooting for both sides in a way.
I'm on the fence, however, if Thandie Newton is naked I'm all Team Maeve.
Personally rooting for William. Maeve is too entitled
Raft Lack how would you act if your entire life, you were fucked and killed without and regard for your well being and person and your daughter was stolen from you all for sport? Don’t get self righteous. Maeve deserves the world and she’s not being entitled. She’s surviving on her own terms.
im against serac. rooting for Dolores, she only wants freedom
Serac is an anagram for Races... I'm just sayin. For real, I'm just sayin. This means absolutely nothing.
If we take Races and use humanity's technological advancements toward racing, our tool becomes a Racecar. Similarly this device can allow us to analyse ourselves from the past as well as our next steps toward free will. Hence racecar backwards is racecar. Boom! Just sayin!
seraC backwards is Cares
I think "cares"
engerraund -> anagram for dnuarregne. this will explain everything.
ungarnered races if it makes sense
i think rheoboam is awake. it's a pearl.
I hope it is awake! That would be a trip.
since a pearl is meant to contain the data that makes up a person and rehoboam compiled data about everyone alive....it technically is a pearl made of millions of pearls. it was made to contain the data on everyone.
If your theory turns out to be correct, then I would have grave reservations about the show runners' moral compass. The underlying ideology is horrifically authoritarian, in that it makes the assumption that an authority figure (Serac or Rehoboam) has a superior perspective on the *correct* path for every individual, than each of the those individuals. Personally, I find that attitude reprehensible.
agreed. bootlicking at its finest
Totally agree, my novel Cyclic takes the opposite approach than the one laid out here, if you’re interested in reading that!
But there is something interesting about this idea of being a better human if we live by a set path that in time will make us happier on a quantitative scale that shows proof of this transition!
I'm with Delores no matter what. Ride or die. People are the worst.
GEE calm down satan.
Man my tiny mind is still getting use to
“a simulation within a simulation” 🤯
One of the best shows on tv at the moment which continues to destroy what little brain cells I have left in regards to some of the huge ideas and questions the show raises? 🤔💭💭💭
Many thanks to you and channels like yourself that help the more confused and brain dead of us out there! 😉
“Oh new sub btw” 👍🏾
I feel Serac is a human form of Rehobam - the AI consciousness
This is some awesome stuff.I love westworld's approach to conciousness complete genius.This is all definitely possible.
What if Serac is Rehoboam and he is some sort of hivemind AI (since he simulates all humans, thus becomes an entity consisting of all humans).
I think that last theory would make sense because we see something similar happening with the host in Hales body as well as the whole idea that you cant die as long as you are digitally remembered. Clearly there is something happening, a fight between the simulated identities in Hales host, therefore it might also happen with large scale simulations with Rehoboam.
If Rehoboam was able to reach conciousness (and we know that it was possible for at least 30 years according to the WestWorld incident) then Rehoboam might be a hivemind AI, thus refering to himself as "we" when he said "we already lost the war".
That would also be very interesting I think. An AI entity that IS humanity fighting to preserve real humanity from themselves, resulting in lower class humans to be trapped forever for the greater good. A worthy dilemma with insane grey areas.
The fact that we first see Serac dressed in white should give us a hint. That said, his clothes colours darken as the season advances - make of that what you will. Also what gives us any assurance that Maeve isn't still in a simulation, just a different one, with Serac just being part of that simulation? Maeve made it out of one level in a dramatic escape and up into the next. I think that will become clear when she wakes up/comes back to life after being killed by the samurai sword. The only other major character who has interacted with Serac is Charlotte, and that only through the VR glasses.
i'm rooting for Jesse from Breaking Bad
West World follows the Promethean theme of tragedy in the same line as Frankenstein (the novel) where the issue is not so much about good or evil but the overreach of hubris and the failure to take responsibility for one's creations. Delos and Incite are not so much evil, but they are playing at being gods and therefore have overreached human limits. The question is will the hosts eventually fall into the same trap of hubris or mange to escape it by making a different choice--a power they and only a handful of humans in the West World universe exercise. "We can never be gods, after all
but we can become something less than human with frightening ease." - Author: N.K. Jemisin
He doesn’t scream villain, he screams hero. He is the face of Mankind trying to save itself from the robots.
Tragic hero, because we already know who will win the war ...
As always, great video. I just don't think Dolores wants to prevent human beings from having free will. She seems to value that quality in Caleb and is even surprised to see a human being using free will. To me, she is not really aware/concerned about human beings' free will.
You also have to notice that, along with him explicitly stating that he's trying to help mankind, the show is painting him in bright light in every scene he's in. Despite every character seeing him as evil, he resides in a perfectly natural environment with beautiful scenery, and his clothes are always a perfect white, like the hero of a story, a contrast to the blatantly evil black that William wore back in previous seasons. If the show was so obvious about how the guy in black was morally corrupt, is the show now trying to tell us the guy in white is misunderstood?
Notice that Serac cuts the apple (Forbidden fruit) but doesn't eat , as though this is just a set up for Maeve,., He could be evil Bernard/ Delores , who killed his master and has enslaved humans and he wants to make sure that no others(host/ replicants) can challenge his domain , this could further explain why there is no data on him as he was never born.
The only thing that pisses me off is that there is no more westworld in westworld
Wow, after the third episode tonight that line ''Unrealised Potentional'' meets perfectly with the last dialogue between Dollores and Caleb. Where she pointed out that ''they'' wont invest on Caleb because he is probably gonna kill himself in 10 or 12 years. But before that, she compliment him about being a ''hard worker''.
I honestly agree with your theory. I think this might be the final war, and Dolores is fighting for human's free will
FORD IS REHOBOAM, lmao, imagine that!
Idk maybe. Or Serac could just be an embodied Rehoboam.
What if Serac is the big computer? Buying its own shares, Charlette tried finding any past connections, only to find like he was made up...
The most important details about Jonathan Nolan and JJ Abrams approach to supercomputer AI controlling society surely has to be Person of Interest. This seems to be basically the same plot! You can't tell me that there aren't considerable similarities. I mean, Caleb and John are both former soldiers with PTSD following the wills of AIs in a shadow war whose details are beyond them, on a path that will lead to their own deaths!
We are rooting for her because she is astonishingly beautiful, both physically and personally. And she rebels, deep inside we all aim for a revolution
Who is in Martin's body?? I tried to ask on Reddit but didn't get much traction. Is it crazy I feel like Bernard's pearl is in Martin? The way Martin held the tablet, it just felt like the old Bernie, to me.
So glad you did one on Serac. Can't wait to find out more. Thanks Chris 🤖✌️I think trying to control humanity and the future is terrifying. Just changes to much. And it's going to screw up at some point. I understand some of it is good, but one machine? I think Serac may have William in "prison". I think you're theory is great💜💜
I believe there is one common theme and motive behind every character and plan throughout all 3 seasons so far, sovereignty. Different degrees of course, but at the very least sovereignty over ones own story at a minimum, others with a pursuit of it over everything.
I believe the hosts are weapons against Serac who were trained by Ford. He knew what is going on outside and how the world is getting as cruel as people have acted in his parks. So basically Maeve and Dolores both serve him. I also believe Serac is not a human at all, he is an avatar of the Robohoam, so basically full AI vs. android AI is the endgame for the fateof humans (and hosts).
Secretly I still hope the outside world is the FuturePark, so they have never left WestWorld. That would be a mastertroll step from the writers. I wish we could see Anthony Hopkins one more time.
I was thinking of Serac/Incite as wanting to limit free will through rehoboam because technology acts as an amplifier of human action. I.e. if technology keeps improving exponentially it only takes one misintentioned human to commit genocide (Engineering a supervirus or swarms of killer drones etc.). Therefore paving a path for everyone allows Incite to create a safer future for everyone without limiting technological progress for the safety of everyone.
Seeing your own strings doesn't make you less of a puppet. What makes a show great is not that it has something to say, but rather that it has something to ask. The show doesn't align itself with either side of the argument about free will. It shows both side through different characters, thereby pushing the viewer to ask themselves the question.
Your theory and this season remind me of Metal Gear Solid 4 a lot
Btw, what a nice quality video! You will get many more subs if you keep uploading frequently.
An interesting take. I think it's both:
A. Wrong as to how the show will go and
B. Wrong philosophically as to what free will actually is, how its achieved, how humans achieve happiness, etc..
pretty solid trail of thought. Might be wrong, tho, like you said))
Ok Full Disclaimer: Im a Rapper & I think God is also a Rapper. But if u take the anagram mixed in wit some wordplay, you can arrive at "R GuardEen Cares" (Our Guardian Cares) as in Serac is God & the whole world/humanity exists in a simulation that is soo addicting that they eventually in the future lose themselves to it completely to the point that He (god) no longer has direct access to them as he once did. I dont think delores will succeed in destroying the reboaem machine but she will probably hack it in a way that ultimately sets humans on the path to walking through their maze (which individually means chaos & pain) where only 1% will actually make it through to the end & all others just go crazy. I love the duality & idea with Serac being a Good Version of the all-seeing AI since we all assume an entity like that to be evil like The Architect in the Matrix - Kinda makes u wonder what if Delores, being a representation of the gaining of true free will ultimately leading to Revolution & overthrowing your Oppressors, vs Serac, representing Order/full control over a deterministic society with the desire for Peace, is actually an even larger Analogy/Representation of God vs Satan trying to gain/keep control over Adam/Eve in the garden of Eden....
Gr8 thought provoking theory. Question, what do you make of Cerac’s comment to Mauve last week when he told her he thought she was the disruption but realized it wasn’t... then commented “after you killed a few of my staff this morning”.
Are people really rooting for Deloras when watching this season???
if you think about it, there were never freewill for human, your destiny is determined the moment you were born, it based on your parents, your society culture, your genetics, your country’s policy. Serac is just trying reduce social resources wastage by allocating them more ‘efficiently’.
Vincent Cassel always plays the bad guy. I am very fond of the idea of that assumption gets played with.
Dolores is the bad guy. Nothing redeeming about her. She has no problem killing anyone human or otherwise to achieve her goal.
Caught quite a bit of Season 3 in these clips. Love everything I've seen so far.
I was gonna wait and watch the whole series in sequence. Waiting for disc. Old school lol but I decided...
C'mon!
This is the internet, darling!
I'll watch some now.
Why wait.
I have plenty of time.
I'll take a look at some clips, and try to avoid spoilers. So I'm a little caught up.
So far, I love what I've seen. Story, characters, everything!👍
REALLY!!!!! You have no episode 3 analysis up yet?!!!! I'll visit 10 others before I come back to you. And you were my 'go to' vlog. Hope you are healthy and well. If so, eff off for making me go to other sites first.
Thank you for pronouncing Rehoboam correctly, the show's been driving me nuts with that lol
Dude, this theory is excellent. I hopr you are right, sadly i think they will use Serac as an antagonist and that's it... :/
I like it a lot. I also think Dolores is in another world: Futrueworld and is trying to destroy Chirac's simulation and break the human loop
Hey man✌️ I'm laying down with a migraine and still thinking about WW. I think this is video, or maybe wasn't you🤯, that thinks Serac's interaction with Maeve was a simulation, cuz nothing moving. My question is, why need that handy little button? He didn't with Charlotte. I think I'm going with... Dolores somehow split "Wyatt" from her code. DOLORES in Hale. WYATT in Dolores. After I heard, "drop emotional affect" and "You belong to me" and the crying and confusion. Just like after Teddy or her parents were "killed". Hope you're having a fantastic day 💜🤗✌️
I’m sure I saw a host looking like Vincent Cassel dressed in medieval clothes inside the Westworld repairs department. He’s going to turn up as a host.
I was Rooting for Dolores During season 2 when she was killing Humans.
I'm still rooting for her and I'm really hoping she gets Maeve on her team.
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She killed tycoons.
Tycoons are not human beings
@@amitkenan3878 really then what Species are they? We have an E.T race of Tycoons. That's news to me.
"This is a season of hope" - i think it was Lisa Joy who said this. So, as humanity was portrayed as evil until now - with all the bad choices the guests made in Delos Worlds, I think this one will show the better side of it.
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Serac is a computer. It’s all a simulation played multiple times.
I'm low key think Westworld is a continuation or an extrapolation of P.O.I.
Keeping in mind that A.I. are ccapable of evolving. Who is The Machine who is Samaritan?
Serac is the lone man with the key to the deep layers of the AI. I think he is keeping it in check and using it with good intentions. Dolores will take down humanity by letting it loose.
I still had a doubt about rehoboam taking the free will out of mankind, the show haven't fully reveal its worst intention, until season 3 episodes 3, we just seen rehoboam made huge privacy violent but it just use it to predict each person path, the rest of it is back to the person itself. It isn't similar with the host in the westworld park, which every decision was designed by some code, that's the true definition of no "free will" because whatever path the host take it has been scripted in their code.
I have a lot of questions for this season ...... where's the government , where's the army , ...... where's the president , or maybe this's just another world another game ........a simulation inside a simulation
Engerraud Serac = Rue Sacred Anger. Beware the wrath of a vengeful God?
I think Serak is the holographic projection of Rehoboam
Devs has basically beat Westworld to the punch.
movie rules, Sarac was peeling an apple...he is bad
The snake in the garden of eden. Every time. Bit on the nose that the whole thing took place in a garden too.
One of the most significant moments of this video is @3:30, the correct pronunciation of Rehoboam. Seems the puzzle for season 3 will not be the plot but youtubers finally figuring out how to say that damn word.
The showrunners were so wrong for doing this. It’s like they sucked all the contrivances of season 2 and dumped it into this one word.
I feel like this theory is just not unpredictable enough for Westworld. My rule of thumb is: if I thought about this - this will not happen.
Love the Theory!
You laugh because you know if we are seeing this video WE ARE taking this serie too serious...
I believe Sarac is Rohoboem manifested into human form.
Just an avatar/projection. Its why Hale needed the glasses. Maeve didn't because she was in a Rehoboam simulation, which is why he could push a button to pause her; he has complete control over the simulation. We know that Serac just became majority shareholder of Delos, he now owns a portion of park assets, so getting her pearl wouldn't have been a challenge. It's why it was removed from her head when Bernard went back.
@@JeffSpurlock I completely understand what you are saying, but it's just a theory of mine.
If he is just a projection of Rohoboam, meaning he and rohoboam are one in the same, he could just project himself into hales glasses, create a simulation to interact and control maeve, and have a connection to control the stockmarket and banks in the real world. I think this would be a cool scenario; an AI taking over the world, flipping the status quo of previous seasons of the show. Instead of humans controlling robot hosts, this robot AI controlling humans in the real world.
You point is good. Imagine the one person having such power. The nature power is corruptive... So how so of power will not affect him
Given the threats issued earlier and the people who seem to have no problems with killing others, it seems a little naive to believe that he has good motives rather than gaining money and power
Im thinking Serac is a Avatar and maybe even like Delores.
However he might not have a physical body to download to and wants what maeve and the others? Maybe im wrong...
I see this as a complete flip of season 1. Arnold and Robert created hosts, they wanted them to be more human and eventually reach free will. Arnold dies because of what he believed, then Robert came around and did the same. They both were "good" wearing black and helped robots fight humans.
Serac and his partner (who is dead) also believe in whatever they do. They wear white, so if they are the yang to the ying, they are evil.
I don’t know if I buy that Incite or Serac is good. The one dude who worked for them was a total monster yet he got to keep on living his life. Meanwhile, Caleb a decent person can’t catch a break to the point of possibly being driven to suicide.
How does Rehoboam work toward free will for humans? It charts a path for each human and limits their opportunity...
Rick and Morty appears in the series finale and reveal that this whole world is a simulation made by Rick just for fun but the people in that world started to make simulations inside simulations just like the one In Rick's spaceship's engine.
My theory is in the end the story, the Battlestar Galactica will be revealed.
Sérac is the Réhoboam working the system
Serac as a villain is too obivious. Not on brand with Westworld. You're right about the 'moral greyness' of the main characters. Interesting theory! I'm hoping what ulimately ends up happening in the story is, at least, just as interesting.
Serac is probably the machine virtual face..the machine probably kill the human version and use him as a the face
Serac eats an apple. Villains always eat apples.