Regarding your question around 9:20 - yes, you can do that in space. The vast, VAST majority of presentations in fiction of how space affects the human body are wrong. Your body won't explode. If your torso doesn't remain pressurized, you'll need to exhale as much as possible so that air pressure in your lungs doesn't damage them by pushing against the walls of your lungs, but even they won't actually explode. You also won't rapidly freeze, because there's nothing in space touching you to steal away your body heat - all you're losing is the heat you radiate away, and your body can actually create heat faster than it will lose it that way. What will happen is that surface fluids (such as your eye fluid and saliva) will boil, but that's not particularly dangerous. If your entire body is exposed, you'll start to develop a case of the bends as dissolved nitrogen in your blood will start to form bubbles, like a deep sea diver who surfaces too quickly - which can be dangerous, but you'd die for other reasons long before then. The worst a few seconds of exposure will do here is allow some minor capillaries near the surface of your skin or eyes to burst. You'll also get some swelling of places where the skin is thin, such as around the eyes, but again that isn't particularly dangerous. The big killer in space is lack of oxygen to breathe, as you've only got a couple dozen seconds at best before you pass out, another minute or so before you start taking serious brain damage, and at best a few minutes before death. The next big killer is radiation exposure, as you've got no atmosphere, magnetic field, or EVA suit protecting your body from ambient radiation - but you'll die from oxygen deprivation before that builds up to lethal levels. We actually do know how the body reacts to being in a vacuum due to a spacesuit test that went wrong, and left a guy in a vacuum for about 25 seconds. You can watch the video of that happening here: th-cam.com/video/KO8L9tKR4CY/w-d-xo.html. Spoiler alert: he came out of it just fine. edit: Made a couple minor edits for clarity or to add a detail I forgot to mention. Suffice to say, The Expanse did its homework here.
Wim Hoff, a multi world record holder, thought Joe Rogan how to hold his breath for over a minute with no oxygen in his lungs at all. I was super excited to read everything else you wrote and love the science.
@@stillninja2741 Yeah, that's within a setting where there still is an atmosphere's worth of pressure external to the person. You can exhale as much as humanly possible on Earth, but there still remains air in your lungs after you do so, because exhaling is simply constricting your lungs - all this does is reduce their volume while the air within maintains equal pressure with the air external to your body. When you expose one container of gas to another container of gas, all that happens is that gas flows from the higher pressure container to the lower pressure container until the pressure equalizes. The reason breathing works is because when you breathe in your lungs are expanding, which lowers the pressure of the air within them, which causes air external to your lungs to flow into them until the mass of air within your lungs once again is sufficient to exert one atmosphere of pressure against the walls of your lungs - while exhaling constricts your lungs, raising the air pressure within them, causing air to flow out of them until what remains is once again at a single atmosphere's pressure. At all times on Earth's surface (at sea level), whether you've just inhaled or just exhaled, the air remaining in your lungs continues to be a sufficient amount to maintain one atmosphere's worth of pressure. But in a vacuum, the pressure external to your body is effectively zero. If you try to inhale or exhale, either action exposes the air within your lungs to the zero pressure environment outside them, which means enough air will leave your lungs that the air within them also exerts effectively zero pressure (which means there is effectively no air remaining within them). So unless you're in a vacuum chamber or in space, it's physically impossible to reduce the amount of air in your lungs to zero (and strictly speaking, even in such an environment, you aren't actually reaching ZERO oxygen - you're reaching a point where the number of oxygen molecules remaining in your lungs are exerting effectively zero pressure, which is not quite the same thing, but for maintaining bodily functions it may as well be). And anyone who does is passing out within 15-20 seconds at most. I've found that as a general rule, taking anything from Joe Rogan's show as reflective of actual science is, at best, a risky proposition. In most cases I've seen, his show makes people less informed, not more.
Pearl divers can stay under water for about seven minutes, enough to sustain their livelihood. However, this is much less than the world record held by Tom Sietas which clocks in at 22 minutes and 22 seconds! Holding your breath for such a long time is extremely dangerous, so do not attempt it.
Hey, I'm pretty sure Screaming Firehawks was just a throw away line. Then it became the name of the social media following. Then finally it's what the fandom called itself when fighting to save the expanse
Before you go trying to learn all the moons of all the planets, a friendly warning: Jupiter & Saturn _alone_ have more than 100 named moons. The show will let you know about the ones that matter for the series.
For those who are really interested in this: - Mars has Deimos and Phobos, two very large asteroids. - Jupiter has Ganymede and Calisto, which are larger than Earth's Moon, and Io and Europa, which are about similar size to it. And dozens of small rocks. - Saturn has Titan, which is also really big, a few smaller moons that aren't that important, and also dozens of small rocks. Phoebe is one of the later. - In the Asteroid Belt, Ceres has half the mass of all the other asteroids put together. And there's also Eros, which is a pretty big asteroid, but actually much closer to Earth than the Asteroid Belt.
I think you misunderstand the "police" on Ceres. There is no government in the belt. The UN treaty with Mars forbids either from establishing a hold on the belt. OPA wants to establish a belter run government but are being blocked by both Mars and the UN. Ceres is a corporate owned station. The "police" are actually a private security firm hired by the owners of Ceres to keep order on the station. An orderly station is a productive station. The only crimes they investigate are ones that would impact the operation of the station. Private crimes against individuals is not important unless those individuals want to pay to have their crimes investigated. Julie Mao's father offered a contract to find his daughter, but since its not station business the "police" cant officially take it so the boss gave it to Miller as a private contract.
I don't think it's a SPOILER since it was mentioned already - Miller was part of Star Helix Security (the private "police" on Ceres), which is a subsidiary of Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile.
Octavia: "I haven't killed someone before." funnylilgalreacts: "Oh really? She's a cop, feel like that should have happened a couple times." Tell me you're American without saying you're American. *lolsob* from a fellow American.
What's sad is I bet 90%+ of police never have a violent altercation or need to draw their gun yet the media and others would have you believe they are all bad.
@@shuaguin5446 To be fair it is a completely inaccurate stereotype within America as well, just like the stereotype that the moment a European steps out of an American airport they are at great risk of being shot. Despite almost all American cops being armed with guns, most never fire it on the street and many never draw it. (I still completely agree with anyone we have a horrifying gun problem in the US.)
But my reaction to the comment in this vid is still "that is startlingly ignorant". A comment seemingly borne of looking only at headlines and not broad knowledge. Kind of like labeling Miller "gross" because of his hair and hat when he's the one pushing Octavia away from an emotionally vulnerable entanglement. (Okay not really like that, but a lot of rushing to judgement in this one, it seems.)
One of the coolest things about this show is that no one is completely "right" or "wrong." Everything and everyone is nuanced and complex, and even the "bad guys" have realistic reasons for their actions (even if they're really messed up). Kind of like real life.
I feel like Holden was the only right good guy throughout the entire show. He was the only one who treated everybody equal. He didn't give a fuck if people were from Earth, Mars or the Belt. Meanwhile everybody else was getting caught up with where everybody was born.
The Screaming Firehawks is the name the fanbase chose for themselves based on that one time Alex said it, and it took on special meaning after the show got canceled and the fanbase pushed so hard to get it saved that Amazon bought it. It was just supposed to be a funny line in the show of no importance, but after Amazon saved the show they bring it back up as an Easter egg to thank the fans.
"he looks like he tastes funny" gave me a good laugh. I love miller but you are almost certainly right. You've gauged Alex and Amos' respective situations correctly. And I'm with you regarding Dawes, him spinning his sister's death as a noble sacrifice really felt off to me. I won't argue against the fact that resource scarcity in the belt forces people to make awful choices, it's just the spin he puts on it feels so self aggrandizing.
He's a politician who isn't above using something like that for points. Much in the same way how Chrisjen uses the story of her son Charnapal and his death at Callisto.
@@m.e.3862 the difference is that Chrisjen hasn't been telling other people about her son. People who know her, know the story, and now that we know it, we have a better handle on her issues with Mars.
OPA (Outter Planets Alliance), the name says it all, "Alliance". Basically every Belter that throws a stone at inners can call himself OPA. There are different OPA clans, like Golden Bough, Black Sky or Tycho Station. So if Naomi is OPA, that still wouldn't mean that she trust other OPA members. And yes, you can open your Helmet in space. Roughly 15 seconds until you get unconscious... gets worse from there ^^ Just make sure to exhale all your air before you do it, or your lung gets shredded :) It is not healthy though, the radiation alone would be really bad ^^*
Um, the second part of your comment is incorrect. Space suits do not just provide air and protection against radiation, the most important thing they provide is pressure. Without the atmospheric pressure provided by the space suit, which maintains the fluids in your body in a liquid state, all of your bodily fluids would boil in an instant. It's not unlike what happens to divers when they get the bends coming up from the depths too quickly, which are horribly painful and take a long time in a hyperbaric chamber to reverse. Even astronauts on EVA (space walks) are prone to getting the bends because of the pressure difference between the cabin of the spacecraft/space station and the suits they wear. They take precautions and it's much safer nowadays, but it's still a risk. In space, if you opened your helmet as was shown in this episode, you would be dead. Very, very painfully. Even if you quickly closed it again, the damage would be done, as your pressurized space suit would not be able to compensate for the vaporized and now gaseous former liquids in your system and the devastating effects they would have on your body. The radiation would not kill you, nor the cold, nor would you have the opportunity to suffocate. The last moments of life would be utter agony. Air, warmth, and protection from radiation are definitely important, but nothing is more important than the pressure that suit provides. Without that, the rest doesn't really matter.
@@meadmaker4525 Not true......there was a real life 'accident' where a person was subjected to vacume........they survived......but it took some time and there was damage. Skin is not water.....it takes a little while for your skin to start to boil. It takes time....not minutes...but not seconds for skin to boil. Test have been done, with animals, in space.......they dont live longer than a few minutes.....but their skin does not turn into vapor. Pressure is produced by air in a suit. As long as you can re-pressurize.....fill it with air......the pressure returns. See Pali's comment as he goes into better detail.
the OPA problem at this point it was utterly fragmented and decentralized .. OPA was the closest there was to an actual goberment but the many Belter groups could or not (more often not) follow OPA guidelines and behave like they believed was best for the cause or just get back at the inners.. the inners also didnt wanted a strong OPA since they took advantage of the dissararray wich didnt helped either..
@@Luzarioth I know I'm 9 months late, but I do wonder what you googled to not be able to find that in your references. "Maintaining proper pressure inside a space suit is essential to astronaut survival during a spacewalk. A lack of pressure will cause body fluids to turn into gas, resulting in death in a few seconds." - NASA's website
Miller was never meant to find Julie. His captain gave the job to the worst, most corrupt, detective on her force....him. But something about Julie brought a feeling out in Miller that he had not felt in years......admiration....and hope. Every character in this show has a journey........Holden's isn't complete until the end of the books.....but its amazing.
@@kirkdarling4120 Good point. I recall a science fiction book series where they had these attack craft called "Alamo Avengers." That works a bit better, I guess.
I loved how this episode focuses on quiet conflicts: Holden and Johnson, Avassarella and the guy at the aquarium, Diago with his uncle, and the two against the Martian brutes, then Miller and Dawes. BTW I liked Miller from the beginning but appreciate how others might not, but damn I enjoy his journey (hat and all ;) PS: I am so sorry about your loss of your sister, I lost my own brother a while ago, and yeah, there’s no words really:(
Anderson Dawes' story underlines the utilitarian ethos of the Belters. Athena was so sick that she could not have survived without medical intervention beyond the means of any Belter to acquire (Havelock got medical treatment because he was an Earther working for an Earth-based company). Sacrificing himself would not have improved Athena's chances of personal survival and so he took the pragmatic course. It is just so alien to our way of thinking.
Yes - it's a mistake to look at it as him sacrificing his sister so the rest of the family could live. She was going to die anyway no matter what he did, so he made the choice to save the other sisters that could be saved.
@@andrewawakened628, as I said, this is a demonstration of the way that Belter's think, which is pragmatic utilitarianism. I am not saying that it is correct, or incorrect, just that the model is quite different from the way that most of the viewers think and so needed to have some narrative exposition. Remember that most people viewing The Expanse have never read "The Cold Equations," by Tom Godwin.
Being exposed to the vacuum of space is represented pretty poorly in old movies. The Expanse actually does a pretty good job. There are 2 main problems in space: 1) the lack of shielding against radiation - if you are not facing the Sun, you should be ok. 2) the lack of pressure - if you empty your lungs before, you should be able to open your helmet for few seconds without problems. Mateo is a belter, possibly born there. The evolution is not that quick, but his body still adapted to space a little bit. Plus he or his ancestors were also probably chosen to work in space, so there is at least some selection for space survival.
2001: A Space Odyssey showed a proper depiction of a human exposed to vacuum back in 1968. Unfortunately, plenty of much more modern movies through the decades that followed didn't learn from this.
28:58 Nah, if you rewatch that scene you the rocks missed and you can see the MCRN ship fired a single torpedo in retaliation that killed the uncle. Oh, the nephew was the same kid that Miller caught for stealing water a few episodes ago.
Yup - book 1 was a "mystery noir" with Miller chasing down the clues to work out what is going on - So this entire season is very much "what is going on" - and you gotta enjoy the process of trying to get what the big picture is. One thing I like about the tv series - is that it also include bits and pieces from the "short stories" that really round out the character. That rockhopper uncle was _using_ the rocks to kill the martians ("police"). He burns at full thrust and releases the "pebbles" on an intercept course with the police ship - LIke in real life micrometeors (peppled a few mm in size) can disable and badly damage the ISS. This story is great in that everyone is _human_. They all have their own motivations and personalities. Sometimes that makes someone a good guy, other times it makes them a "bad guy". But there are very very few characters who are outright villains. Oh oh - about the science.. The "blue goo" is one out there thing, and the "epstein drive" (the thing that powers all the ships) is basically a very very high efficiency rocket - I _think_ those are the only things that are not achievable science.. But 90% of the physics etc is totally believable.
The most advanced technology in the show/books revolves around medicine. Just about everything else outside of medicine and the epstein drive/fusion tech is technically achievable with our current technology.
Taking your helmet off in space will obviously kill you very quickly, but its not instantaneous like most Hollywood movies depict. The quickest cause of death is from the pressure difference from the air in your lungs, so if you fully exhale (as Mateo does in this episode) you at least avoid your lungs rupturing. If that continued for much longer you would pass out due to lack of oxygen but for the time period depicted its plausible. Not advisable but plausible.
A technician at NASA once was in a vacuum chamber when it accidentally sucked the air out. He did pass out pretty quickly, but others got him out fast and he didn't appear to have any lasting damage from it. Suffocation is really the main danger of vacuum, and as with drowning, 3 to 4 minutes without oxygen typically doesn't cause serious damage. The lack of air pressure isn't that huge of an issue since going from 1 bar to 0 bar is still only a change in 1 bar. Having your eyes, mouth, and maybe even lungs dry out very quickly and your skin swelling up might be quite painful and hurt for a good time, but it wouldn't kill you if you survive the lack of oxygen.
Most experts agree that death in hard vacuum (space) occurs within two minutes. The few seconds that Uncle Mateo had his visor up wouldn't kill him. It would hurt a bit as the liquid under the surface of your skin could start to boil and your eyes would feel like they were bulging, but your circulation would move the blood to areas still insulated by the suit.
Yeah the guy that was exposed to a vacuum at NASA had about 12-14 seconds of conciousness and said he could feel the water "boil" off of his tongue. He had the pressure restored and was rescued within a minute. With the lack of pressure, water turns to vapour really quickly. And yeah, sadly I've read of dogs being experimented on, exposed to vacuum, and they found any longer than a minute of exposure to vacuum usually leaves permanent brain damage, and longer than 2-3 minutes, none survive. I don't know what it is about a vacuum that kills you so much faster than just drowning in water or suffocating, but it's one of the faster ways to immediately die. I've read it's bewildered people at NASA when there were rumours that astronauts had "suicide pills" of cyanide, when they're basically surrounded by instant death. Subscribe for more morbid facts and thank you fo coming to my TED talk.
Really enjoying your reactions to the Expanse! Don’t feel bad about not really liking Miller right off - he doesn’t have a lot of redeeming qualities when you first meet him - He’s beaten up not only physically, but emotionally but his character arc to a fan favorite is a great journey. That’s something that can be said for MANY of the characters you’ll meet. And you have my deepest sympathies on the loss of your sister.
Enjoyed your reaction. My favorite line in this ep was Dawes saying, if Julie were here right now; she'd spit in your face. You could tell by Miller's reaction that it was like a punch in the gut. I'm sure it's been already mentioned that the kid was the water thief that Miller busted and let go. Both Uncle Mateo and Dawes gave us history lessons on the conditions in the Belt and how inners view and treat them. No wonder they have to do quick on-the-fly patch up jobs on their suits, they've had generations of practice on old, worn out space suits.
Btw the scene with Miller getting fired was great. I love how you went from “he’s a corrupt cop, ok…” to “They’re all corrupt and he was the good cop…wait wut…?” 👀 😮😂
Nice reference there at the start "I would butcher her name worse than Fred Johnson blows up a station" love the way you get involved with the show for that. :D
For Anderson Dawes. He said he had multiple siblings. Imagine he was the breadwinner and responsible for all. It was lose one sibling of they all suffer/die. Do you sacrifice 1 so the many can survive?
I don’t care what the issue was, killing another person to make life easier for yourself is not OK. He saw it as necessary for survival but I’m sure he wouldn’t think that way if it was himself been disposed of
@@funnylilgalreacts I understand your reaction but I think you need to listen to his speech again. She was super sick and wasn’t going to get any better and couldn’t take care of her and the rest of the family due to a lack of resources and though that doesn’t justify his actions what other choices in his mind did he have? I guess he could have just left her to die alone. Great reactions!
Belter have to wear helmets to be in space a lot so they often have their hair shaved on the sides and back to make it easier to put on. Then it became like belter fashion to do so. They also often have tattoo on their neck which has cultural importance
Later on there are lots of belters with all kinds of tightly braided hair. Helps with the helmets, and also saves the special effects for long hair floating around without gravity. One of the first thing Julie Mao does in the first episode is to tie her hair up for that reason. ;)
Well I read as many comments as I could and just wanted to point out that when Uncle Mateo threw the rocks at the Martian ship (Scipio Africanus) he did NOT destroy their ship, rather they turned their ire on him and blew up his ship. He knew he was going to die and that is why he put Diogo out the air lock (you caught that, Mateo was saving Diogo, not killing him). This episode is Rock Bottom so there are many moments of hitting Rock bottom as you have seen...
My favorite show (and books). I'm having a ton of fun watching you watch them. Even find myself responding to your comments and questions. Thanks for the fun ride.
The difference between 1 atmosphere and 0 atmospheres isn't enough to suck your eyes out. It'll make the moisture and oils on your skin and eyes boil at the body temperature they are at though.
At this stage in the show, Amazon was not involved. It was a SyFy television show for the first 3 seasons, after SyFy cancelled it, it was sold to Amazon who made seasons 4-6 Although my context on this is over a century before this show is set. I am contemporary to you. I've never killed anyone before "Oh really? She's a cop. I feel like that should've happened a couple times." My father spent over 40 years "as a cop" he never killed anyone. Held someone at gunpoint? yes. Arrested someone, for sure. shot someone, once. He was still active duty the day he died. (He was a police officer when I was born. Later Chief of Police. Later a deputy sheriff, he didn't change jobs because of problems, he left law enforcement while his kids were young, and went back to it when we were all adults) I'm going to try not to hold that against you, but killing someone isn't a cop's job.
As others have said, opening your helmet in vacuum is not instantly lethal. Beyond that, The Expanse gives the truest depiction of space, whether it be ship handling, weightlessness, or pretty much any other aspect I have ever seen. A truly fine example of 'hard' science fiction.
Fred Johnson is not just OPA. He is a former UN officer who flipped sides and joined the OPA. As such, you can bet her would be on the radar of UN officials. Crisjen only knows a couple things. 1) The OPA is trying to acquire stealth tech, which she assumes is to attack Earth. 2) The Canterbury was destroyed by someone, apparently to destabilize the Belt. 3) She has ruled out Mars, she is in the Earth faction, meaning someone in the belt is responsible. Chisjen is taking a private, industrial spy and using him to gather data for her in her investigation, rather than him just stealing tech for the guy at the aquarium.
@@funnylilgalreacts Don't be too harsh on yourself, I think one of the reasons so many of the characters on this show captivate us, is because none are perfect, more of a morally grey. We get closer to them as we learn more of them and their perspectives.
That is a big part of the fun with the Expanse. Coming up with ideas of what is what, or what is going to happen, or who did what... even if you are all wrong. Even not trusting Aversarala, it is so fun watching Shohreh Aghdashloo play her. non-spoiler easter egg for later seasons, The Screaming Firehawk is a bar on Mars. If you don't watch closely you'll miss it when it appears. There is no plot point around it at all other than Alex's using it as a name idea. So Alex wanted to name the ship after a bar. ;)
@@funnylilgalreacts this comment isn't wrong. I might be wrong but I believe the bar on Mars being named Screaming Firehawks was a nod to the fans for their part in saving the show!
This series made me fall in love with space and provided me a sense of hope for the future. Get ready for adventure you are about to embark on. It will blow your imagination away :)
Screaming Firehawks came about because it was Alex's suggestion for renaming the Taichi. Amos and Holden won with Rocinante. Also earlier, reactions years ago by Nikki and Steven Reacts had Steven greeting viewers with "Go Screaming Firehawks" with Nikki rolling her eyes. I guess it stuck LOL.
Miller really has a way of growing on you. Is he a great guy? Not really. But the more you learn about him and the kind of world that he lives in, it at least gets easier to understand him.
Octavia was a cop, but it's understandable that she'd never killed anyone before. Probably been in few firefights and shot people before, just never fatally (the advanced medical tech of the era helps too)
Welcome to the world of the Expanse. You'll find that the Expanse Enthusiast are quite the group! I enjoy your reactions. They are priceless and I'll be look forward to reliving this journey again with you. (And like CQB episode I'm hooked) It definitely takes me back to the time when I first started watching the Expanse. This IS a sci-fi adventure unlike any other!!! And for those that didn't notice YOU are bring something to the table as a reaction video creator. 19,000 VIEWERS!!!. (Numbers increasing to OVER 20,000 since your Expanse CQB reaction) That is 19 thousand more people that will get to see the Expanse; And to me that's AWESOME!!!👍😃🔥😎. The vast Expanse communities on TH-cam and Your Patreon platform (much like the title the show is based on) will bring you up to speed about the Books, Novellas, weekly TH-cam podcasts and even the video game concept that the Expanse is based on. And Sister you better get strapped in, because if you think your mind is blown, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! Enjoy and I look forward to your reactions👍😃🔥😎
Last episode Dawes gave Miller a sort of burner phone to get in touch with him if he wanted Koltari's location. Since he was being watched or the phone sent a signal that Miller chucked it in the trash, it signaled to Dawes that Miller wasn't going to accept help from him. Thus made him an enemy and kidnap and torture for information. Dawes' story about his sister is one of the most powerful and heart wrenching of the series with lots of credit to Jared Harris' performance. Sorry to hear about your sister, but the situation the Belters find themselves is much more harsh and dire that anything that we have on Earth. This is the second appearance of Diogo. He was the water thief that Miller encountered. This story is meant to continually portray the plight of the Belters. Yup. Amos was talking about prostitution and yep, learned a bit more about those two. Great to have the crew together and leaving on a mission together! It might be hard to tell, but the ship has a bunch of tanks around it to disguise it as a gas hauler. Oh, and you're going to want to buy a Rocinante Girl shirt now. :) Fred Johnson probably doesn't know what's on the chip if anything. He probably knows that the Martian suits and probably UN combat suits have a sort of "black box" and that's what hes after. The chip is most likely the one that Gao gave him, that has all the data from the battle on the Donnanger. Holden and Naomi was being spyed on by the spy that Avasarala wrangled from the guy at the aquarium. If you want to remember Chrisjen Avasarala's name and how to pronounce it, work on the actresses name as well, Shohreh Aghdashloo.
I stumbled on your reaction videos because I am re-watching the whole show with my son (we are on the last season). I am really enjoying your takes on the show, and giggling at what I know is coming for you. :D Anderson Dawes and Fred Johnson are excellent examples of what makes this show so compelling. Johnson retrieving the chip from the body bag in no way cancels out his intention to honour a soldier by returning him to his people. He straddles many lines and occupies multiple spaces simultaneously. Dawes is the same - he is not a hero, nor a moustache-twirling villain. He is a complex, living character (portrayed by an absolute top-tier actor). The characters in this show all have so much depth, and your feeling about them must, by logic, be complex. I am so glad to go on this journey with you!
Every time I come back to this series, I'm even more impressed. In a sea of sub par shows being passed off as 'amazing' this is a shinning example of storytelling done right. Shame the show finally had to close, but man it gave me my favorite sci-fi crew of all time, finally knocking the DS9 bad asses to 2nd place.
Farscape was a criminally under rated show and had one of the best couples in sci-fi in John and Aeryn. Still trying to find the Peacekeeper Wars in digital…lol. They rank number 4 for me behind the Serenity crew.
Well you are definitely getting sucked in! Screaming Firehawk shirt! I'm impressed! You are very smart and the editing is on point! I have the hindsight of how moments that happen mean so much..... that's why this show is so rewatchable! I refer to Avasarala as Chrisjen so it's all good! And she will do anything to win! About Fred Johnson.... more on him later! Did you notice the nephew that was thrown out into space was the exact same kid Miller busted on Ceres for stealing water. Everyone ends up on team Miller! About the Rocinante crew, read the quote on your shirt. The look on Amos's face when Naomi said she knew. There is a lot behind that! You're on point about the backstory info on Amos and Alex. The closing moment of this episode was very special, this wild ride is pulling out of the station so hold on to your butt! Sorry to hear about the loss of your sibling. My condolences 🙏 Can't wait for the next one!
The uncle released his rock load to reduce ship weight, then he launched his ship directly into the "police" path on a kamikaze run. The explosion we see in the mask is him watching his uncle's ship explode, stranding him in the middle of space. Fun fact, that's the same kid Miller let go when he was stealing the water at the station... he left the station to try and get some work going with his uncle, then this happens.
Love listening to your thoughtful commentary. The show is just starting to get rolling. It really builds and builds and gets quite intense. Looking forward to your future reactions.
The story about Dawes' sister is to highlight how desperate the lives of Belters tend to be and to show how dedicated Dawes is to the OPA cause. It shows he's willing to kill a family member in order for the rest of his family to survive. After telling that story, he immediately says that he considers all Belters to be his family, including Miller, implying that he's willing to kill any Belter if it means furthering the OPA cause, and then proceeds to demonstrate that by ordering Miller be killed. Also, while Miller's job is essentially that of a cop, he works for Star Helix Security, a corporate security firm. Ceres and Eros aren't colonies with democratically-elected governments, they're corporate installations akin to an oil rig, but more like an offshore port of call. They're places for ships to dock, transfer cargo, get refueled, get repaired, and allow crews shore leave. They were never intended to be residential or places children would grow up, I'm sure the corporations that own them just consider children to be leeches, using resources while not contributing to the corporate bottom line.
It also means that the Belters are not citizens of a nation with laws and human rights. There are only corporate policies. When they resist, the corporations deem them "terrorists" and call in the government.
@@kirkdarling4120 I'm guessing they might technically be citizens of Earth, but nobody on Earth cares about them and they can't ever go to Earth anyway due to growing up in low-g environments. Out in space, though, there are no governments. The UNN is only there to protect corporate interests (much like the US military) and the MCRN is only there to protect Martian interests. Nobody exists to protect Belter interests except the OPA which is barely an organization.
Miller rubs everyone the wrong way. It's one of his defining traits. I think Amos grew up among prostitution, and just sees them as people doing what they need to survive without judging them. Everyone is dirty, everyone has baggage. The characters all feel like they have a past. It makes the show feel lived in, which is tough especially with so many different characters and stories to keep track of. They do a great job, and I love it. Fun reaction. Hope you're doing She-Hulk, see you soon!
Pretty sure what is on the chip are the scans of the unknown ships that attacked the Donnager. The Captain gave him the logs so he could relay the info to command, but then he died. Nobody should want to be on Chrissy's bad side, it's not a safe place.
I love that you are getting so sucked in, and realizing it is a show about people, not about space. (But space is nearly a character itself.) All this and you have not even met my two favorite people yet.
I tend to agree with you about Dawes and his story about his sister, but the flip-side is that not many people in industrialised societies today know what true poverty is like. I once lived in a part of Africa where we were told -- in all seriousness -- that if you're going to be in a car accident and have to choose between a person and a goat, hit the person. A goat is the livelihood of an entire family. By killing the goat you kill half a dozen people, you just don't have to watch it. If you study history you see the same thing. Parents selling children into slavery and prostitution because at least it gives them a chance at survival, which is better than they have at home. It's a good thing that most people today don't have to face these kinds of choices, but it's important to be mindful of the fact that it wasn't so long ago that famines, droughts, and plagues were a common reality every few years for most people.
Ah-vah-sah-ra'-la. She'll do anything to protect earth. I like Miller's hair! Everyone ends up on Team Miller. He and Octavia probably had a previous relationship.
One thing I like about the series is that the Belters live a life of dangerous desperation. Every social level has someone on the brink of losing everything they hold valuable - including their lives. The very lowest are seconds away from an ugly death. The very highest are risking everything to get somewhere else or are pitting themselves against powers much greater than anything they can muster - powers that could destroy them and theirs in a single, sudden act of violence. Desperation is not nobility; it is instability. The desperate will do things that even they themselves would abhor in a different situation. My take on Dawes is that he is no less desperate than any other Belter. Whether noble or evil - the question to figure out is what is his motivation. And for anyone around him - how not to cross those goals.
The expanse is something you can watch multiple times and still find new connections each time... after watching your reactions I ended up bringing it up to season 4 hahah 😆
Regarding Miller’s hat, I like its symbolism for two reasons. First, the whole first season has a mystery flair to it. In Miller’s case, it is noir mystery. Having the main detective wear a fedora is a fun genre nod. Second, there is some deep characterization happening. No one wears hats in space, right? It is certainly not a Belter thing. Miller was born on Ceres, but he was a ward of the station, so we can assume he was orphaned young and brought up by the government programs run by Earth. Now Miller doesn’t have much respect for anything, but his life is easier due to the power he derived from his job. He was raised by the Earth government, earns his living and his power from Earth corporation, but he is obviously a Belter. The hat is a symbol of Earth fashion and shows other Belters that he can speak to the inners. However, it is also ridiculous. He is aping the colonizers, while taking on the mantle of their power.
Other meme-land words to learn about the Expanse "The ABC Team" and "murdersnuggles". EDIT: Since you said "Awwww" Amos' nickname amongst fandom is Murdersnuggles. You'll see he is that kind of guy...
Thank you, again for a wonderful reaction. We are going to start our rewatch of S1 (hopefully) today or over the weekend). Love the feelings that we have been having watching your reactions and Steven & Nikki's reactions. I think we said that you were going to like J. Miller. Yes, you don't like the hat, or the hair or the overall look of him, but there is just SOMETHING about his tenacity...that draws you (all of us) in. Anderson Dawes has a tragic story, especially with his sister. Her bones were like chalk (very brittle). Her growing up in space, they didn't have enough money to give her the operation that most all Belters need (even Miller has, though his wasn't done well). The movement from place to place within the ship...was breaking her bones through the stress of Gs as they traveled from place to place. She was dying little by little. Knowing your situation with YOUR sister is similar. You would do anything that you could for your sister, but Cancer (like gravity in space for his sister) was stealing your sister from your family...little by little. What comes to mind, for Marie and I, was Dumbledore's sister and her ailment, too. Fictional story, but one that may lend some credence to what made the character and how he (both of them) became who he became (though they are on two different tragetroies). We've lost a number of family members to Cancer, so we can empathize, though a sibling is so much tougher to deal with. We are sorry for your loss (whether it was recent or nineteen years ago...both wounds can open very easily. Thank you for sharing this with us. Juxtaposed with the "rock hopper" uncle with the kid who stole the water on Ceris. Life is harsh in space. When people feel like they have no power, they sometimes do/react in harsh ways. We cannot condone what Anderson Dawes has turned into, but we can simpathize with his plight (him and his family). How he couldn't save one sister, but he pooled the resources that he had...to save his other siblings (and himself, obviously). How Miller's boss took the chip, then his privileges and eventually fires him...yes, Octavia was wrong about taking it up the hierarchical chain. Josephus Miller is NOW at a crossroads. He will have to make a decision to feel the boot at his neck, OR do something about it. A real turning point. We feel for him. We want him to do the right thing. Ugh. Octavia's inexperience on the brutal side of enforcement. Don't worry about it. They haven't really given a lot of backstory about her. We know that she came from some money...and she's become a cop (Star Hellix), and that she's smart. We also know that Miller and her had a relationship (at one time), but that his "ways" made/makes her mad. She wants more for him, but she's not seen him do much with his life. When the story starts, he's a person who just really doesn't care. Now, with Julie Mao, he's found someone to care for...though Anderson Dawes says that he really doesn't undersand Julie. But, he's got to figure that out for himself. The death of Mateo's uncle was beautifully portrayed on his visor. The cinematography of this show is AMAZING. We cannot remember whether the "rock" took out the ship or that he through the rocks at the Martian ship...then his ship hit them Kamakazi way...or that the Martians retaliated by blowing his ship up. Cannot remember what actually happened. We think he threw out his nephew to save his life...though, now you have to ask yourself...does he have enough air in his tank before someone picks him up? Big question. So, now we have our crew of the Rocinante. This is their ship. James Holden, Naomi Nagata, Amos Burtont and Alex Kamal. We also got to see what Holden is made of in this episode. He was willing to sacrifice himself, to save the others...but they also steppped up...to do the right thing, too. Now, Fred Johsnon. He's also a tough one. Tried by fire. He's made a LOT of mistakes, but he's a person who knows how to land on his feet. We learn a little about him, too. He's got an agenda, too. Taking the chip from Lopez was just part. A plan within a plan, within a plan. Chrisjen Avasarala (Ah-va-sa-sa-rala). Not too difficult, really. The actor's name is actually a LOT harder, but it is good to learn it. Most just say her first name...when speaking to her as an actor. BUT, you are right, within the show...most call her by her last name. Avasarala is a tough bird (Earth first). She is on a mission. Also, her son dying by the hands of the OPA...also has formed/molded her to who she is now. You are right. This was an episode where we get to learn a LITTLE about the backstories of Amos and Alex (though we knew about his wife and kid...before). You heard right. We don't want to say too much, for Amos' story is great on how they dole out the information. He grew up in a brothel. He knows THAT life. He was just looking out for that guy (by telling him that the other guy had a knife hidden...just in case). The idea of "honest living" is debatable...whether it is something that someone falls into OR decides. They are preyed upon by the more powerful...and they are used by others. Tough life...that is for sure. You are starting to see (experience) what Amos is like. Why he does what he does and how he attaches himself to someone he can trust. When he learned that Naomi knew about who sent the distress call...he was really hurt by that. In his mind, Naomi should've told him. Their dynamic is going to be tested. Alex's life has been tragic, too. Space OR family. Yes, tough choice. One of the main things that we see...within the entire series...is the character arcs of all these people. No one stays the same. We are effected by our environment and the interactions that we have with each other. We hurt people and we help people. This is just the beginning of this incredible adventure. We also love your theories. Keep them going. We also love your jokes and puns. Thank you. Love that you are studying up on the solar system. Real life stuff. The world is such an amazing place. Also, the guy at the end...with his spying on Naomi and Holden. Lots to say in the near future. This is such a great mystery. Genius or crazy person...not too far apart. Talk to you soon.
Anyone who has military family/friends can instantly recognise Alexs situation.. it's an odd irony Amos is fascinating.. idk if he WAS a rentboi or was raised by a woman who did sexwork or grew up in a brothel I generally think it's the latter but BOTH could easily explain his persona &complete lack of judgemental attitude towards most things.
Do you remember last episode, when they renamed the ship (it was originally called "Tachi"). Alex suggested "Screaming Firehawk", where Holden immediately said "yeah, lets announce that we are a gunship" (or something to that effect). That is where it comes from, the fans latched on to the name :)
"When I was in 'Nam all I could think of was getting back home. When I was home all I could think of was getting back in the bush. I hardly said a word to my wife until I said yes to a divorce..." - Captain Willard, Apocalypse Now.
The chip is given to Lopez by captain of the Donnager, Theresa Yao. She openly stated it was detailed scans and drive signatures of the ships that attacked the Cant and the Donnager.
Oh, and not a spoiler, but just know that this season has things that happen that will pay off or go into more depth several seasons for now. As a story, it rewards memory and patience. However, one Expanse reactor I watched noted a thing that doesn't really get paid off. He had several incorrect theories about "the juice" that we see, for example, in the very first episode when the Cant does a braking burn - (Alex: "here comes the juice"). The books do explain this. These are medications designed to help people survive high g situations. I don't know if you've seen or read The Martian by Andy Weir, but he was asked about how people could survive space travel - the variations from 1g and the radiation being the two big points. His theory was medication/tech. We'd cure cancer - that helps with cellular damage. And drugs / tech to handle various issues with deviations from 1g. And this show kinda goes this route. It's not explained because it's just part of their world.
5:00 slow burn on Fred right there. Very nice. 9:25 N.A.S.A. says you will die in space in about 3 minutes without Air. His helmet might have been open but he still had air.
The chip just contains all Order Of Battle Intelligence gathered during the Donnager's fight with the stealth ships, drive signatures, pictures of the enemy vessels, that kind of thing.
Something to think about with Amos' line "It's honest work" - consider the kind of environment you'd be living in where dishonesty/disloyalty is absolutely not tolerated. But you're definitely on the right track in the mystery of his backstory. Also to support others' remarks about the police on Ceres: Being a private security firm, they are only paid to maintain order and ensure mining output stays up. It also means they would be incredibly flexible about what else they choose to do on the clock. If Anderson Dawes has influence with the workers (he _is_ a mob boss after all), it would not be unusual for them to be dealing under the table. Calling them "law enforcement" would be asking the word "law" to be bearing a lot of moral weight that it seldom does.
"Screaming Firehawks" is what we fans call ourselves. In the fourth season, which happened because "Screaming Firehawks" fought to save the show, the writers acknowledge us. Mateo and Diogo's interaction with the Martian patrol was typical of how Mars and Earth interacts with Belters. Mateo was listening to an OPA propagandist talking about hurling asteroids at Earth. That's how Mateo got the idea to throw his rocks at the Martian patrol. I don't believe that destroyed their ship, but you could see that the Martian ship fired a missile before the rocks struck him. Don't forget Mateo, though, because the show does not. Yes, Fred knew about "a" chip. He showed surprise that a Martian had helped them escape. As a former UN soldier, he would know that the Martian suits had combat recorders. We can figure that's where Lopez put the chip Yao gave him. Amos would have been angry with Holden, except that Naomi said, "He was right." At that point, Amos was more hurt that Naomi was afraid of him, even though he would kill or die for her. At this point, we know that Amos was raised in childhood in brothels, and that he has respect for prostitutes. The picture Alex keeps is of his wife and child. Recall that when Alex was hypoxic, he was muttering about, "One more trip, Sweety, then I'm coming home." You mentioned the "Cold Equations" (a great short story). It's good to keep in mind that Belters live the "cold equations" every day. Every Belter would know or know of someone who had to face the cold equations to save the lives of others. Sacrifice happens regularly in the Belt. At the end, we saw the spy that Avasarala enlisted watching Naomi and Holden with his little spy eye. We saw that spy a bit earlier...he was posing as a technician on the Roci. Naomi shouldered hims aside and angrily took over the task he was probably screwing up
For whoever wants to know more about the Expanse, and especially the show. I strongly recommend checking out " Ty & That Guy" it's a (video)-podcast by Wes Chatham (Amos) and Ty Franck (One of the authors of the books). With plenty of guest appearances. It's pretty much a commentary for each episode, like the ones on physical releases, which we don't really get any more. They done this episode by episode, so there shouldn't be any spoilers.
Octavia: "I haven't killed someone before." funnylilgalreacts: "Oh really? She's a cop, feel like that should have happened a couple times." Damn that's kind of hard core. I hope that's not what you think policing is like.
I don't know if I've suggested this before, but if/when you get even MORE into The Expanse, you should read the books! They're similar enough to follow along, but different enough to keep it interesting. Also all the actors match their book characters to a T. I just thought of this now, because I don't think the show does a good job of explaining this, but Miller used to be a great cop, but he finally realizes that a) he's become a "station joke" without realizing it, after his life got fucked up, and b) that's the whole reason he was given the task of finding Julie Mao, because if the higher-ups didn't want her found, you give the task to your worst employee.
Maybe you'd enjoy the "Ty & That Guy" channel here on TH-cam, too. Wes Chatham and Ty Franck (one half of the pseudonymous author, James S.A. Corey) run a weekly chat show, where they discuss the show's episodes, with loads of behind the scenes trivia and anecdotes, plus guests from the cast and crew.
Regarding your question around 9:20 - yes, you can do that in space.
The vast, VAST majority of presentations in fiction of how space affects the human body are wrong. Your body won't explode. If your torso doesn't remain pressurized, you'll need to exhale as much as possible so that air pressure in your lungs doesn't damage them by pushing against the walls of your lungs, but even they won't actually explode. You also won't rapidly freeze, because there's nothing in space touching you to steal away your body heat - all you're losing is the heat you radiate away, and your body can actually create heat faster than it will lose it that way.
What will happen is that surface fluids (such as your eye fluid and saliva) will boil, but that's not particularly dangerous. If your entire body is exposed, you'll start to develop a case of the bends as dissolved nitrogen in your blood will start to form bubbles, like a deep sea diver who surfaces too quickly - which can be dangerous, but you'd die for other reasons long before then. The worst a few seconds of exposure will do here is allow some minor capillaries near the surface of your skin or eyes to burst. You'll also get some swelling of places where the skin is thin, such as around the eyes, but again that isn't particularly dangerous.
The big killer in space is lack of oxygen to breathe, as you've only got a couple dozen seconds at best before you pass out, another minute or so before you start taking serious brain damage, and at best a few minutes before death. The next big killer is radiation exposure, as you've got no atmosphere, magnetic field, or EVA suit protecting your body from ambient radiation - but you'll die from oxygen deprivation before that builds up to lethal levels.
We actually do know how the body reacts to being in a vacuum due to a spacesuit test that went wrong, and left a guy in a vacuum for about 25 seconds. You can watch the video of that happening here: th-cam.com/video/KO8L9tKR4CY/w-d-xo.html. Spoiler alert: he came out of it just fine.
edit: Made a couple minor edits for clarity or to add a detail I forgot to mention. Suffice to say, The Expanse did its homework here.
Wow, I've heard of the acccident with the suit, but I was not aware theee was a video of it. That's fascinating.
Homework and the details and this is what makes the Expanse so real.
Wim Hoff, a multi world record holder, thought Joe Rogan how to hold his breath for over a minute with no oxygen in his lungs at all. I was super excited to read everything else you wrote and love the science.
@@stillninja2741 Yeah, that's within a setting where there still is an atmosphere's worth of pressure external to the person. You can exhale as much as humanly possible on Earth, but there still remains air in your lungs after you do so, because exhaling is simply constricting your lungs - all this does is reduce their volume while the air within maintains equal pressure with the air external to your body.
When you expose one container of gas to another container of gas, all that happens is that gas flows from the higher pressure container to the lower pressure container until the pressure equalizes. The reason breathing works is because when you breathe in your lungs are expanding, which lowers the pressure of the air within them, which causes air external to your lungs to flow into them until the mass of air within your lungs once again is sufficient to exert one atmosphere of pressure against the walls of your lungs - while exhaling constricts your lungs, raising the air pressure within them, causing air to flow out of them until what remains is once again at a single atmosphere's pressure. At all times on Earth's surface (at sea level), whether you've just inhaled or just exhaled, the air remaining in your lungs continues to be a sufficient amount to maintain one atmosphere's worth of pressure.
But in a vacuum, the pressure external to your body is effectively zero. If you try to inhale or exhale, either action exposes the air within your lungs to the zero pressure environment outside them, which means enough air will leave your lungs that the air within them also exerts effectively zero pressure (which means there is effectively no air remaining within them).
So unless you're in a vacuum chamber or in space, it's physically impossible to reduce the amount of air in your lungs to zero (and strictly speaking, even in such an environment, you aren't actually reaching ZERO oxygen - you're reaching a point where the number of oxygen molecules remaining in your lungs are exerting effectively zero pressure, which is not quite the same thing, but for maintaining bodily functions it may as well be). And anyone who does is passing out within 15-20 seconds at most.
I've found that as a general rule, taking anything from Joe Rogan's show as reflective of actual science is, at best, a risky proposition. In most cases I've seen, his show makes people less informed, not more.
Pearl divers can stay under water for about seven minutes, enough to sustain their livelihood. However, this is much less than the world record held by Tom Sietas which clocks in at 22 minutes and 22 seconds! Holding your breath for such a long time is extremely dangerous, so do not attempt it.
“He looks like he tastes funny” is the best description of Miller I have ever heard. I busted up laughing. Bravo.
I said, "I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe anyone that way before."
Hey, I'm pretty sure Screaming Firehawks was just a throw away line. Then it became the name of the social media following. Then finally it's what the fandom called itself when fighting to save the expanse
it also comes back up a few times later in the series
Eventually, Alex renames a different ship "Screaming Firehawk" but it's late into season 6 and really subtle.
@@russellhutchison7811 there is also a bar on mars that is associated with that name.
@@russellhutchison7811 uh, spoiler!
@@russellhutchison7811 Actually Season Five.
Before you go trying to learn all the moons of all the planets, a friendly warning: Jupiter & Saturn _alone_ have more than 100 named moons. The show will let you know about the ones that matter for the series.
Yeah, only the biggies matter. Just knowing the Galilean moons is fine.
For those who are really interested in this:
- Mars has Deimos and Phobos, two very large asteroids.
- Jupiter has Ganymede and Calisto, which are larger than Earth's Moon, and Io and Europa, which are about similar size to it. And dozens of small rocks.
- Saturn has Titan, which is also really big, a few smaller moons that aren't that important, and also dozens of small rocks. Phoebe is one of the later.
- In the Asteroid Belt, Ceres has half the mass of all the other asteroids put together. And there's also Eros, which is a pretty big asteroid, but actually much closer to Earth than the Asteroid Belt.
I think you misunderstand the "police" on Ceres. There is no government in the belt. The UN treaty with Mars forbids either from establishing a hold on the belt. OPA wants to establish a belter run government but are being blocked by both Mars and the UN. Ceres is a corporate owned station. The "police" are actually a private security firm hired by the owners of Ceres to keep order on the station. An orderly station is a productive station. The only crimes they investigate are ones that would impact the operation of the station. Private crimes against individuals is not important unless those individuals want to pay to have their crimes investigated. Julie Mao's father offered a contract to find his daughter, but since its not station business the "police" cant officially take it so the boss gave it to Miller as a private contract.
I don't think it's a SPOILER since it was mentioned already - Miller was part of Star Helix Security (the private "police" on Ceres), which is a subsidiary of Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile.
Octavia: "I haven't killed someone before."
funnylilgalreacts: "Oh really? She's a cop, feel like that should have happened a couple times."
Tell me you're American without saying you're American. *lolsob* from a fellow American.
What's sad is I bet 90%+ of police never have a violent altercation or need to draw their gun yet the media and others would have you believe they are all bad.
Yeah as an european whose best friend is an ex cop. I founded that line so fucked up.
This is so wrong.
@@shuaguin5446 To be fair it is a completely inaccurate stereotype within America as well, just like the stereotype that the moment a European steps out of an American airport they are at great risk of being shot.
Despite almost all American cops being armed with guns, most never fire it on the street and many never draw it.
(I still completely agree with anyone we have a horrifying gun problem in the US.)
But my reaction to the comment in this vid is still "that is startlingly ignorant". A comment seemingly borne of looking only at headlines and not broad knowledge.
Kind of like labeling Miller "gross" because of his hair and hat when he's the one pushing Octavia away from an emotionally vulnerable entanglement. (Okay not really like that, but a lot of rushing to judgement in this one, it seems.)
One of the coolest things about this show is that no one is completely "right" or "wrong." Everything and everyone is nuanced and complex, and even the "bad guys" have realistic reasons for their actions (even if they're really messed up). Kind of like real life.
I feel like Holden was the only right good guy throughout the entire show. He was the only one who treated everybody equal. He didn't give a fuck if people were from Earth, Mars or the Belt. Meanwhile everybody else was getting caught up with where everybody was born.
Space may not suck your eyes out, but The Expanse certainly sucks you in.
Miller is her ex so kinda naturally she went for a kiss in a moment of extreme vulnerability. Good on him for not taking advantage.
The Screaming Firehawks is the name the fanbase chose for themselves based on that one time Alex said it, and it took on special meaning after the show got canceled and the fanbase pushed so hard to get it saved that Amazon bought it. It was just supposed to be a funny line in the show of no importance, but after Amazon saved the show they bring it back up as an Easter egg to thank the fans.
"he looks like he tastes funny" gave me a good laugh. I love miller but you are almost certainly right.
You've gauged Alex and Amos' respective situations correctly. And I'm with you regarding Dawes, him spinning his sister's death as a noble sacrifice really felt off to me. I won't argue against the fact that resource scarcity in the belt forces people to make awful choices, it's just the spin he puts on it feels so self aggrandizing.
"it is possible to cry so hard that your tears turn to blood" is an incredible line of dialogue
He's a politician who isn't above using something like that for points. Much in the same way how Chrisjen uses the story of her son Charnapal and his death at Callisto.
@@m.e.3862 the difference is that Chrisjen hasn't been telling other people about her son. People who know her, know the story, and now that we know it, we have a better handle on her issues with Mars.
OPA (Outter Planets Alliance), the name says it all, "Alliance".
Basically every Belter that throws a stone at inners can call himself OPA.
There are different OPA clans, like Golden Bough, Black Sky or Tycho Station.
So if Naomi is OPA, that still wouldn't mean that she trust other OPA members.
And yes, you can open your Helmet in space. Roughly 15 seconds until you get unconscious... gets worse from there ^^ Just make sure to exhale all your air before you do it, or your lung gets shredded :) It is not healthy though, the radiation alone would be really bad ^^*
Um, the second part of your comment is incorrect. Space suits do not just provide air and protection against radiation, the most important thing they provide is pressure. Without the atmospheric pressure provided by the space suit, which maintains the fluids in your body in a liquid state, all of your bodily fluids would boil in an instant. It's not unlike what happens to divers when they get the bends coming up from the depths too quickly, which are horribly painful and take a long time in a hyperbaric chamber to reverse. Even astronauts on EVA (space walks) are prone to getting the bends because of the pressure difference between the cabin of the spacecraft/space station and the suits they wear. They take precautions and it's much safer nowadays, but it's still a risk.
In space, if you opened your helmet as was shown in this episode, you would be dead. Very, very painfully. Even if you quickly closed it again, the damage would be done, as your pressurized space suit would not be able to compensate for the vaporized and now gaseous former liquids in your system and the devastating effects they would have on your body. The radiation would not kill you, nor the cold, nor would you have the opportunity to suffocate. The last moments of life would be utter agony.
Air, warmth, and protection from radiation are definitely important, but nothing is more important than the pressure that suit provides. Without that, the rest doesn't really matter.
@@meadmaker4525 Not true......there was a real life 'accident' where a person was subjected to vacume........they survived......but it took some time and there was damage. Skin is not water.....it takes a little while for your skin to start to boil. It takes time....not minutes...but not seconds for skin to boil. Test have been done, with animals, in space.......they dont live longer than a few minutes.....but their skin does not turn into vapor. Pressure is produced by air in a suit. As long as you can re-pressurize.....fill it with air......the pressure returns.
See Pali's comment as he goes into better detail.
@@meadmaker4525 Strange, every single online reference i can find to that, disagrees with you :)
the OPA problem at this point it was utterly fragmented and decentralized .. OPA was the closest there was to an actual goberment but the many Belter groups could or not (more often not) follow OPA guidelines and behave like they believed was best for the cause or just get back at the inners.. the inners also didnt wanted a strong OPA since they took advantage of the dissararray wich didnt helped either..
@@Luzarioth I know I'm 9 months late, but I do wonder what you googled to not be able to find that in your references. "Maintaining proper pressure inside a space suit is essential to astronaut survival during a spacewalk. A lack of pressure will cause body fluids to turn into gas, resulting in death in a few seconds." - NASA's website
Miller was never meant to find Julie. His captain gave the job to the worst, most corrupt, detective on her force....him. But something about Julie brought a feeling out in Miller that he had not felt in years......admiration....and hope.
Every character in this show has a journey........Holden's isn't complete until the end of the books.....but its amazing.
"Screaming Firehawks," like Alex's other suggestion "Flying Alamo," is just an over-the-top, ridiculous name that perhaps space Texan's would like.
"Flying Alamo" sounds like a place where everyone dies. 'Cause everyone died at the Alamo.
@@kirkdarling4120 Good point. I recall a science fiction book series where they had these attack craft called "Alamo Avengers." That works a bit better, I guess.
All the characters are growing on you... Even Miller >:) The Expanse is working its magic
If Miller grows on you apply ointment twice daily.
I loved how this episode focuses on quiet conflicts: Holden and Johnson, Avassarella and the guy at the aquarium, Diago with his uncle, and the two against the Martian brutes, then Miller and Dawes. BTW I liked Miller from the beginning but appreciate how others might not, but damn I enjoy his journey (hat and all ;)
PS: I am so sorry about your loss of your sister, I lost my own brother a while ago, and yeah, there’s no words really:(
Miller's much more of a washed up loser creep in the books, the authors were surprised he was so loved in the show.
@@vorpalrobot It helps that Thomas Jane brings a certain panache to the role.
Anderson Dawes' story underlines the utilitarian ethos of the Belters. Athena was so sick that she could not have survived without medical intervention beyond the means of any Belter to acquire (Havelock got medical treatment because he was an Earther working for an Earth-based company). Sacrificing himself would not have improved Athena's chances of personal survival and so he took the pragmatic course. It is just so alien to our way of thinking.
Belters live with the "Cold Equations" every day.
Yes - it's a mistake to look at it as him sacrificing his sister so the rest of the family could live. She was going to die anyway no matter what he did, so he made the choice to save the other sisters that could be saved.
@@andrewawakened628, as I said, this is a demonstration of the way that Belter's think, which is pragmatic utilitarianism. I am not saying that it is correct, or incorrect, just that the model is quite different from the way that most of the viewers think and so needed to have some narrative exposition. Remember that most people viewing The Expanse have never read "The Cold Equations," by Tom Godwin.
Being exposed to the vacuum of space is represented pretty poorly in old movies. The Expanse actually does a pretty good job. There are 2 main problems in space:
1) the lack of shielding against radiation - if you are not facing the Sun, you should be ok.
2) the lack of pressure - if you empty your lungs before, you should be able to open your helmet for few seconds without problems.
Mateo is a belter, possibly born there. The evolution is not that quick, but his body still adapted to space a little bit. Plus he or his ancestors were also probably chosen to work in space, so there is at least some selection for space survival.
*adapted
Damn auto-correct, I'm sure. ;-]
@@robertcartier5088 yeah, thx for pointing that out.
2001: A Space Odyssey showed a proper depiction of a human exposed to vacuum back in 1968. Unfortunately, plenty of much more modern movies through the decades that followed didn't learn from this.
"Miller's hair, put his hat back on" 🤣😂 savage.
28:58 Nah, if you rewatch that scene you the rocks missed and you can see the MCRN ship fired a single torpedo in retaliation that killed the uncle. Oh, the nephew was the same kid that Miller caught for stealing water a few episodes ago.
20.27 "...He looks like he tastes funny..."
She already knows. She's his ex-wife.
Yup - book 1 was a "mystery noir" with Miller chasing down the clues to work out what is going on - So this entire season is very much "what is going on" - and you gotta enjoy the process of trying to get what the big picture is.
One thing I like about the tv series - is that it also include bits and pieces from the "short stories" that really round out the character. That rockhopper uncle was _using_ the rocks to kill the martians ("police"). He burns at full thrust and releases the "pebbles" on an intercept course with the police ship - LIke in real life micrometeors (peppled a few mm in size) can disable and badly damage the ISS.
This story is great in that everyone is _human_. They all have their own motivations and personalities. Sometimes that makes someone a good guy, other times it makes them a "bad guy". But there are very very few characters who are outright villains.
Oh oh - about the science.. The "blue goo" is one out there thing, and the "epstein drive" (the thing that powers all the ships) is basically a very very high efficiency rocket - I _think_ those are the only things that are not achievable science.. But 90% of the physics etc is totally believable.
The most advanced technology in the show/books revolves around medicine. Just about everything else outside of medicine and the epstein drive/fusion tech is technically achievable with our current technology.
@@realbigtuna667 There are other things in the following seasons, but up until this point you're all set.
Taking your helmet off in space will obviously kill you very quickly, but its not instantaneous like most Hollywood movies depict. The quickest cause of death is from the pressure difference from the air in your lungs, so if you fully exhale (as Mateo does in this episode) you at least avoid your lungs rupturing. If that continued for much longer you would pass out due to lack of oxygen but for the time period depicted its plausible. Not advisable but plausible.
A technician at NASA once was in a vacuum chamber when it accidentally sucked the air out. He did pass out pretty quickly, but others got him out fast and he didn't appear to have any lasting damage from it.
Suffocation is really the main danger of vacuum, and as with drowning, 3 to 4 minutes without oxygen typically doesn't cause serious damage. The lack of air pressure isn't that huge of an issue since going from 1 bar to 0 bar is still only a change in 1 bar. Having your eyes, mouth, and maybe even lungs dry out very quickly and your skin swelling up might be quite painful and hurt for a good time, but it wouldn't kill you if you survive the lack of oxygen.
Most experts agree that death in hard vacuum (space) occurs within two minutes. The few seconds that Uncle Mateo had his visor up wouldn't kill him. It would hurt a bit as the liquid under the surface of your skin could start to boil and your eyes would feel like they were bulging, but your circulation would move the blood to areas still insulated by the suit.
Yeah the guy that was exposed to a vacuum at NASA had about 12-14 seconds of conciousness and said he could feel the water "boil" off of his tongue. He had the pressure restored and was rescued within a minute. With the lack of pressure, water turns to vapour really quickly.
And yeah, sadly I've read of dogs being experimented on, exposed to vacuum, and they found any longer than a minute of exposure to vacuum usually leaves permanent brain damage, and longer than 2-3 minutes, none survive.
I don't know what it is about a vacuum that kills you so much faster than just drowning in water or suffocating, but it's one of the faster ways to immediately die. I've read it's bewildered people at NASA when there were rumours that astronauts had "suicide pills" of cyanide, when they're basically surrounded by instant death.
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I would say more... but it would be a spoiler :3
@@murciadoxial8056 Just saying, it helps to know how these things work when watching the show. :D
Really enjoying your reactions to the Expanse!
Don’t feel bad about not really liking Miller right off - he doesn’t have a lot of redeeming qualities when you first meet him - He’s beaten up not only physically, but emotionally but his character arc to a fan favorite is a great journey. That’s something that can be said for MANY of the characters you’ll meet.
And you have my deepest sympathies on the loss of your sister.
Loving The Expanse and Invincible reactions!
Thank you!
Enjoyed your reaction. My favorite line in this ep was Dawes saying, if Julie were here right now; she'd spit in your face. You could tell by Miller's reaction that it was like a punch in the gut.
I'm sure it's been already mentioned that the kid was the water thief that Miller busted and let go.
Both Uncle Mateo and Dawes gave us history lessons on the conditions in the Belt and how inners view and treat them. No wonder they have to do quick on-the-fly patch up jobs on their suits, they've had generations of practice on old, worn out space suits.
I've never known anyone to dislike Miller as much as you. Lol. It makes me laugh.
Oh I recall some people who hated Miller most of the time he was onscreen lol.
"He looks like he tastes funny" LOL
Btw the scene with Miller getting fired was great. I love how you went from “he’s a corrupt cop, ok…” to “They’re all corrupt and he was the good cop…wait wut…?” 👀 😮😂
Nice reference there at the start "I would butcher her name worse than Fred Johnson blows up a station" love the way you get involved with the show for that. :D
For Anderson Dawes. He said he had multiple siblings. Imagine he was the breadwinner and responsible for all. It was lose one sibling of they all suffer/die. Do you sacrifice 1 so the many can survive?
I don’t care what the issue was, killing another person to make life easier for yourself is not OK. He saw it as necessary for survival but I’m sure he wouldn’t think that way if it was himself been disposed of
@@funnylilgalreacts I understand your reaction but I think you need to listen to his speech again. She was super sick and wasn’t going to get any better and couldn’t take care of her and the rest of the family due to a lack of resources and though that doesn’t justify his actions what other choices in his mind did he have? I guess he could have just left her to die alone. Great reactions!
Belter have to wear helmets to be in space a lot so they often have their hair shaved on the sides and back to make it easier to put on. Then it became like belter fashion to do so. They also often have tattoo on their neck which has cultural importance
Later on there are lots of belters with all kinds of tightly braided hair. Helps with the helmets, and also saves the special effects for long hair floating around without gravity. One of the first thing Julie Mao does in the first episode is to tie her hair up for that reason. ;)
Well I read as many comments as I could and just wanted to point out that when Uncle Mateo threw the rocks at the Martian ship (Scipio Africanus) he did NOT destroy their ship, rather they turned their ire on him and blew up his ship. He knew he was going to die and that is why he put Diogo out the air lock (you caught that, Mateo was saving Diogo, not killing him). This episode is Rock Bottom so there are many moments of hitting Rock bottom as you have seen...
Screaming Firehawks is the fan club the ones who began the campaign to save it when it got cancelled before Amazon took it on.
My favorite show (and books). I'm having a ton of fun watching you watch them. Even find myself responding to your comments and questions. Thanks for the fun ride.
The difference between 1 atmosphere and 0 atmospheres isn't enough to suck your eyes out. It'll make the moisture and oils on your skin and eyes boil at the body temperature they are at though.
And blood doesn't boil at all inside the body, because it's always under pressure inside the blood vessels.
"Spaceballs the shirt".. 😂 don't worry I got that reference. 👍🏽 Love you humor bud.
At this stage in the show, Amazon was not involved. It was a SyFy television show for the first 3 seasons, after SyFy cancelled it, it was sold to Amazon who made seasons 4-6
Although my context on this is over a century before this show is set. I am contemporary to you.
I've never killed anyone before
"Oh really? She's a cop. I feel like that should've happened a couple times."
My father spent over 40 years "as a cop" he never killed anyone. Held someone at gunpoint? yes. Arrested someone, for sure. shot someone, once.
He was still active duty the day he died. (He was a police officer when I was born. Later Chief of Police. Later a deputy sheriff, he didn't change jobs because of problems, he left law enforcement while his kids were young, and went back to it when we were all adults)
I'm going to try not to hold that against you, but killing someone isn't a cop's job.
As others have said, opening your helmet in vacuum is not instantly lethal. Beyond that, The Expanse gives the truest depiction of space, whether it be ship handling, weightlessness, or pretty much any other aspect I have ever seen. A truly fine example of 'hard' science fiction.
Fred Johnson is not just OPA. He is a former UN officer who flipped sides and joined the OPA. As such, you can bet her would be on the radar of UN officials.
Crisjen only knows a couple things. 1) The OPA is trying to acquire stealth tech, which she assumes is to attack Earth. 2) The Canterbury was destroyed by someone, apparently to destabilize the Belt. 3) She has ruled out Mars, she is in the Earth faction, meaning someone in the belt is responsible.
Chisjen is taking a private, industrial spy and using him to gather data for her in her investigation, rather than him just stealing tech for the guy at the aquarium.
in the books it is specifically mentioned that the dead Martian is given "full burial honors"
The disrespect Miller gets 🥲😆😆😆
I feel bad in hindsight, now I'm attached to him
I've gone through quite a few reactions to this series and I've never seen anyone consistently roast my boi like this.
@@funnylilgalreacts Don't be too harsh on yourself, I think one of the reasons so many of the characters on this show captivate us, is because none are perfect, more of a morally grey. We get closer to them as we learn more of them and their perspectives.
3am... Insomnia in full swing... You've saved me
That is a big part of the fun with the Expanse. Coming up with ideas of what is what, or what is going to happen, or who did what... even if you are all wrong.
Even not trusting Aversarala, it is so fun watching Shohreh Aghdashloo play her.
non-spoiler easter egg for later seasons, The Screaming Firehawk is a bar on Mars. If you don't watch closely you'll miss it when it appears. There is no plot point around it at all other than Alex's using it as a name idea. So Alex wanted to name the ship after a bar. ;)
I love when I'm so wrong but feel vindicated when I get it right LOL
@@funnylilgalreacts this comment isn't wrong. I might be wrong but I believe the bar on Mars being named Screaming Firehawks was a nod to the fans for their part in saving the show!
This series made me fall in love with space and provided me a sense of hope for the future. Get ready for adventure you are about to embark on. It will blow your imagination away :)
Miller is a complicated character, not easy to like but like you he grows on people. This show will keep you guessing till the end.
Screaming Firehawks came about because it was Alex's suggestion for renaming the Taichi. Amos and Holden won with Rocinante. Also earlier, reactions years ago by Nikki and Steven Reacts had Steven greeting viewers with "Go Screaming Firehawks" with Nikki rolling her eyes. I guess it stuck LOL.
Amos is an onion. You'll peel back layers as the story progresses.
Miller really has a way of growing on you. Is he a great guy? Not really. But the more you learn about him and the kind of world that he lives in, it at least gets easier to understand him.
Octavia was a cop, but it's understandable that she'd never killed anyone before. Probably been in few firefights and shot people before, just never fatally (the advanced medical tech of the era helps too)
Welcome to the world of the Expanse. You'll find that the Expanse Enthusiast are quite the group!
I enjoy your reactions. They are priceless and I'll be look forward to reliving this journey again with you. (And like CQB episode I'm hooked) It definitely takes me back to the time when I first started watching the Expanse. This IS a sci-fi adventure unlike any other!!!
And for those that didn't notice YOU are bring something to the table as a reaction video creator. 19,000 VIEWERS!!!. (Numbers increasing to OVER 20,000 since your Expanse CQB reaction) That is 19 thousand more people that will get to see the Expanse; And to me that's AWESOME!!!👍😃🔥😎.
The vast Expanse communities on TH-cam and Your Patreon platform (much like the title the show is based on) will bring you up to speed about the Books, Novellas, weekly TH-cam podcasts and even the video game concept that the Expanse is based on.
And Sister you better get strapped in, because if you think your mind is blown, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!!
Enjoy and I look forward to your reactions👍😃🔥😎
The CGI for the space scenes will drastically improve so be ready to enjoy the hell out of it.
LMAO at 20:20, "he looks like he tastes funny"... I've said similar " that person looks like they smell like cat piss and vinegar"
Last episode Dawes gave Miller a sort of burner phone to get in touch with him if he wanted Koltari's location. Since he was being watched or the phone sent a signal that Miller chucked it in the trash, it signaled to Dawes that Miller wasn't going to accept help from him. Thus made him an enemy and kidnap and torture for information. Dawes' story about his sister is one of the most powerful and heart wrenching of the series with lots of credit to Jared Harris' performance. Sorry to hear about your sister, but the situation the Belters find themselves is much more harsh and dire that anything that we have on Earth.
This is the second appearance of Diogo. He was the water thief that Miller encountered. This story is meant to continually portray the plight of the Belters.
Yup. Amos was talking about prostitution and yep, learned a bit more about those two. Great to have the crew together and leaving on a mission together! It might be hard to tell, but the ship has a bunch of tanks around it to disguise it as a gas hauler. Oh, and you're going to want to buy a Rocinante Girl shirt now. :)
Fred Johnson probably doesn't know what's on the chip if anything. He probably knows that the Martian suits and probably UN combat suits have a sort of "black box" and that's what hes after. The chip is most likely the one that Gao gave him, that has all the data from the battle on the Donnanger.
Holden and Naomi was being spyed on by the spy that Avasarala wrangled from the guy at the aquarium. If you want to remember Chrisjen Avasarala's name and how to pronounce it, work on the actresses name as well, Shohreh Aghdashloo.
"How am I all of a sudden Team Miller?" ;) Welcome to the club ;) hehe
I stumbled on your reaction videos because I am re-watching the whole show with my son (we are on the last season). I am really enjoying your takes on the show, and giggling at what I know is coming for you. :D
Anderson Dawes and Fred Johnson are excellent examples of what makes this show so compelling. Johnson retrieving the chip from the body bag in no way cancels out his intention to honour a soldier by returning him to his people. He straddles many lines and occupies multiple spaces simultaneously. Dawes is the same - he is not a hero, nor a moustache-twirling villain. He is a complex, living character (portrayed by an absolute top-tier actor). The characters in this show all have so much depth, and your feeling about them must, by logic, be complex.
I am so glad to go on this journey with you!
Every time I come back to this series, I'm even more impressed. In a sea of sub par shows being passed off as 'amazing' this is a shinning example of storytelling done right. Shame the show finally had to close, but man it gave me my favorite sci-fi crew of all time, finally knocking the DS9 bad asses to 2nd place.
Farscape is my #3, DS9 #2 😎💖
Farscape was a criminally under rated show and had one of the best couples in sci-fi in John and Aeryn.
Still trying to find the Peacekeeper Wars in digital…lol.
They rank number 4 for me behind the Serenity crew.
Well you are definitely getting sucked in! Screaming Firehawk shirt! I'm impressed! You are very smart and the editing is on point!
I have the hindsight of how moments that happen mean so much..... that's why this show is so rewatchable!
I refer to Avasarala as Chrisjen so it's all good! And she will do anything to win!
About Fred Johnson.... more on him later!
Did you notice the nephew that was thrown out into space was the exact same kid Miller busted on Ceres for stealing water.
Everyone ends up on team Miller!
About the Rocinante crew, read the quote on your shirt. The look on Amos's face when Naomi said she knew. There is a lot behind that! You're on point about the backstory info on Amos and Alex.
The closing moment of this episode was very special, this wild ride is pulling out of the station so hold on to your butt!
Sorry to hear about the loss of your sibling. My condolences 🙏
Can't wait for the next one!
The uncle released his rock load to reduce ship weight, then he launched his ship directly into the "police" path on a kamikaze run. The explosion we see in the mask is him watching his uncle's ship explode, stranding him in the middle of space. Fun fact, that's the same kid Miller let go when he was stealing the water at the station... he left the station to try and get some work going with his uncle, then this happens.
“He looks like he tastes funny”, laughed so hard I spit out my coffee
Regarding Amos' backstory, don't worry the show will reveal more as it goes... :)
Love listening to your thoughtful commentary. The show is just starting to get rolling. It really builds and builds and gets quite intense. Looking forward to your future reactions.
“He looks like he tastes funny”…I died 🤣
The story about Dawes' sister is to highlight how desperate the lives of Belters tend to be and to show how dedicated Dawes is to the OPA cause. It shows he's willing to kill a family member in order for the rest of his family to survive. After telling that story, he immediately says that he considers all Belters to be his family, including Miller, implying that he's willing to kill any Belter if it means furthering the OPA cause, and then proceeds to demonstrate that by ordering Miller be killed.
Also, while Miller's job is essentially that of a cop, he works for Star Helix Security, a corporate security firm. Ceres and Eros aren't colonies with democratically-elected governments, they're corporate installations akin to an oil rig, but more like an offshore port of call. They're places for ships to dock, transfer cargo, get refueled, get repaired, and allow crews shore leave. They were never intended to be residential or places children would grow up, I'm sure the corporations that own them just consider children to be leeches, using resources while not contributing to the corporate bottom line.
It also means that the Belters are not citizens of a nation with laws and human rights. There are only corporate policies. When they resist, the corporations deem them "terrorists" and call in the government.
@@kirkdarling4120 I'm guessing they might technically be citizens of Earth, but nobody on Earth cares about them and they can't ever go to Earth anyway due to growing up in low-g environments. Out in space, though, there are no governments. The UNN is only there to protect corporate interests (much like the US military) and the MCRN is only there to protect Martian interests. Nobody exists to protect Belter interests except the OPA which is barely an organization.
Miller rubs everyone the wrong way. It's one of his defining traits.
I think Amos grew up among prostitution, and just sees them as people doing what they need to survive without judging them.
Everyone is dirty, everyone has baggage. The characters all feel like they have a past. It makes the show feel lived in, which is tough especially with so many different characters and stories to keep track of. They do a great job, and I love it.
Fun reaction. Hope you're doing She-Hulk, see you soon!
Saying that Amos grew up around prostitution, is a severe understatement.
I actually loved Miller right from the start. The lone wolf cop who feels like a man out of time is exactly the type of character I like.
Pretty sure what is on the chip are the scans of the unknown ships that attacked the Donnager. The Captain gave him the logs so he could relay the info to command, but then he died.
Nobody should want to be on Chrissy's bad side, it's not a safe place.
I love that you are getting so sucked in, and realizing it is a show about people, not about space. (But space is nearly a character itself.)
All this and you have not even met my two favorite people yet.
I tend to agree with you about Dawes and his story about his sister, but the flip-side is that not many people in industrialised societies today know what true poverty is like. I once lived in a part of Africa where we were told -- in all seriousness -- that if you're going to be in a car accident and have to choose between a person and a goat, hit the person. A goat is the livelihood of an entire family. By killing the goat you kill half a dozen people, you just don't have to watch it.
If you study history you see the same thing. Parents selling children into slavery and prostitution because at least it gives them a chance at survival, which is better than they have at home.
It's a good thing that most people today don't have to face these kinds of choices, but it's important to be mindful of the fact that it wasn't so long ago that famines, droughts, and plagues were a common reality every few years for most people.
Ah-vah-sah-ra'-la. She'll do anything to protect earth.
I like Miller's hair! Everyone ends up on Team Miller. He and Octavia probably had a previous relationship.
Miller & Octavia definitely had some time together. Their prickly repartee in the first few episodes reveals that.
One thing I like about the series is that the Belters live a life of dangerous desperation. Every social level has someone on the brink of losing everything they hold valuable - including their lives. The very lowest are seconds away from an ugly death. The very highest are risking everything to get somewhere else or are pitting themselves against powers much greater than anything they can muster - powers that could destroy them and theirs in a single, sudden act of violence.
Desperation is not nobility; it is instability. The desperate will do things that even they themselves would abhor in a different situation.
My take on Dawes is that he is no less desperate than any other Belter. Whether noble or evil - the question to figure out is what is his motivation. And for anyone around him - how not to cross those goals.
It's all connected, can't wait for you to discover all the threads :)
The expanse is something you can watch multiple times and still find new connections each time... after watching your reactions I ended up bringing it up to season 4 hahah 😆
Regarding Miller’s hat, I like its symbolism for two reasons.
First, the whole first season has a mystery flair to it. In Miller’s case, it is noir mystery. Having the main detective wear a fedora is a fun genre nod.
Second, there is some deep characterization happening. No one wears hats in space, right? It is certainly not a Belter thing. Miller was born on Ceres, but he was a ward of the station, so we can assume he was orphaned young and brought up by the government programs run by Earth. Now Miller doesn’t have much respect for anything, but his life is easier due to the power he derived from his job. He was raised by the Earth government, earns his living and his power from Earth corporation, but he is obviously a Belter. The hat is a symbol of Earth fashion and shows other Belters that he can speak to the inners. However, it is also ridiculous. He is aping the colonizers, while taking on the mantle of their power.
Avasarala will do whatever it takes. Her ruthlessness gets shit done.
You can open your helmet like that only if you know what you are doing. You notice he breathed out as he was opening it.
..well, that's the theory...unless tested sometimes?
Naomi's name: that's foreshadowing for about season 4. Very important detail, keep it in mind for then.
I imagine Martians would recycle bodies, as should Belters, but Belters' prefer "spacing" as a method of execution. Hard to say.
Other meme-land words to learn about the Expanse "The ABC Team" and "murdersnuggles".
EDIT: Since you said "Awwww" Amos' nickname amongst fandom is Murdersnuggles. You'll see he is that kind of guy...
The adventure of the ABC Gang in season 2 is amazing!
Thank you, again for a wonderful reaction. We are going to start our rewatch of S1 (hopefully) today or over the weekend). Love the feelings that we have been having watching your reactions and Steven & Nikki's reactions.
I think we said that you were going to like J. Miller. Yes, you don't like the hat, or the hair or the overall look of him, but there is just SOMETHING about his tenacity...that draws you (all of us) in.
Anderson Dawes has a tragic story, especially with his sister. Her bones were like chalk (very brittle). Her growing up in space, they didn't have enough money to give her the operation that most all Belters need (even Miller has, though his wasn't done well). The movement from place to place within the ship...was breaking her bones through the stress of Gs as they traveled from place to place. She was dying little by little.
Knowing your situation with YOUR sister is similar. You would do anything that you could for your sister, but Cancer (like gravity in space for his sister) was stealing your sister from your family...little by little.
What comes to mind, for Marie and I, was Dumbledore's sister and her ailment, too. Fictional story, but one that may lend some credence to what made the character and how he (both of them) became who he became (though they are on two different tragetroies).
We've lost a number of family members to Cancer, so we can empathize, though a sibling is so much tougher to deal with. We are sorry for your loss (whether it was recent or nineteen years ago...both wounds can open very easily. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Juxtaposed with the "rock hopper" uncle with the kid who stole the water on Ceris. Life is harsh in space. When people feel like they have no power, they sometimes do/react in harsh ways.
We cannot condone what Anderson Dawes has turned into, but we can simpathize with his plight (him and his family). How he couldn't save one sister, but he pooled the resources that he had...to save his other siblings (and himself, obviously).
How Miller's boss took the chip, then his privileges and eventually fires him...yes, Octavia was wrong about taking it up the hierarchical chain. Josephus Miller is NOW at a crossroads. He will have to make a decision to feel the boot at his neck, OR do something about it. A real turning point. We feel for him. We want him to do the right thing. Ugh.
Octavia's inexperience on the brutal side of enforcement. Don't worry about it. They haven't really given a lot of backstory about her. We know that she came from some money...and she's become a cop (Star Hellix), and that she's smart. We also know that Miller and her had a relationship (at one time), but that his "ways" made/makes her mad. She wants more for him, but she's not seen him do much with his life. When the story starts, he's a person who just really doesn't care.
Now, with Julie Mao, he's found someone to care for...though Anderson Dawes says that he really doesn't undersand Julie. But, he's got to figure that out for himself.
The death of Mateo's uncle was beautifully portrayed on his visor. The cinematography of this show is AMAZING.
We cannot remember whether the "rock" took out the ship or that he through the rocks at the Martian ship...then his ship hit them Kamakazi way...or that the Martians retaliated by blowing his ship up. Cannot remember what actually happened.
We think he threw out his nephew to save his life...though, now you have to ask yourself...does he have enough air in his tank before someone picks him up? Big question.
So, now we have our crew of the Rocinante. This is their ship. James Holden, Naomi Nagata, Amos Burtont and Alex Kamal.
We also got to see what Holden is made of in this episode. He was willing to sacrifice himself, to save the others...but they also steppped up...to do the right thing, too.
Now, Fred Johsnon. He's also a tough one. Tried by fire. He's made a LOT of mistakes, but he's a person who knows how to land on his feet.
We learn a little about him, too. He's got an agenda, too. Taking the chip from Lopez was just part. A plan within a plan, within a plan.
Chrisjen Avasarala (Ah-va-sa-sa-rala). Not too difficult, really. The actor's name is actually a LOT harder, but it is good to learn it. Most just say her first name...when speaking to her as an actor. BUT, you are right, within the show...most call her by her last name.
Avasarala is a tough bird (Earth first). She is on a mission. Also, her son dying by the hands of the OPA...also has formed/molded her to who she is now.
You are right. This was an episode where we get to learn a LITTLE about the backstories of Amos and Alex (though we knew about his wife and kid...before).
You heard right. We don't want to say too much, for Amos' story is great on how they dole out the information. He grew up in a brothel. He knows THAT life. He was just looking out for that guy (by telling him that the other guy had a knife hidden...just in case).
The idea of "honest living" is debatable...whether it is something that someone falls into OR decides. They are preyed upon by the more powerful...and they are used by others. Tough life...that is for sure.
You are starting to see (experience) what Amos is like. Why he does what he does and how he attaches himself to someone he can trust. When he learned that Naomi knew about who sent the distress call...he was really hurt by that. In his mind, Naomi should've told him. Their dynamic is going to be tested.
Alex's life has been tragic, too. Space OR family. Yes, tough choice.
One of the main things that we see...within the entire series...is the character arcs of all these people. No one stays the same. We are effected by our environment and the interactions that we have with each other. We hurt people and we help people.
This is just the beginning of this incredible adventure. We also love your theories. Keep them going. We also love your jokes and puns. Thank you. Love that you are studying up on the solar system. Real life stuff. The world is such an amazing place.
Also, the guy at the end...with his spying on Naomi and Holden. Lots to say in the near future.
This is such a great mystery. Genius or crazy person...not too far apart. Talk to you soon.
SCREAMIN' FIREHAWKS! I will not stand for any further Miller slander, btw!
Oh Tad. I regret Miller slander. He's still icky, but I'm attached to that jerk somehow...
Love that you picked up on both chips, the one in Miller's lame ass hat and the Marian chip. Good eye 👁 👌
The smart paint would be so cool to have IRL.
Anyone who has military family/friends can instantly recognise Alexs situation.. it's an odd irony
Amos is fascinating.. idk if he WAS a rentboi or was raised by a woman who did sexwork or grew up in a brothel
I generally think it's the latter but BOTH could easily explain his persona &complete lack of judgemental attitude towards most things.
The book The Churn is all about Amos’ backstory. It is a great story and explains a lot about his morals and his technical aptitude.
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Do you remember last episode, when they renamed the ship (it was originally called "Tachi"). Alex suggested "Screaming Firehawk", where Holden immediately said "yeah, lets announce that we are a gunship" (or something to that effect). That is where it comes from, the fans latched on to the name :)
"When I was in 'Nam all I could think of was getting back home. When I was home all I could think of was getting back in the bush. I hardly said a word to my wife until I said yes to a divorce..." - Captain Willard, Apocalypse Now.
The chip is given to Lopez by captain of the Donnager, Theresa Yao. She openly stated it was detailed scans and drive signatures of the ships that attacked the Cant and the Donnager.
Screaming Firehawk was one of the names they considered before picking Rocinante. Rejected because it flagged the vessel as aggressive.
I love this show. Currently listening to the audiobooks, and holy christmas they literally made the books the show verbatim.
Oh, and not a spoiler, but just know that this season has things that happen that will pay off or go into more depth several seasons for now. As a story, it rewards memory and patience.
However, one Expanse reactor I watched noted a thing that doesn't really get paid off. He had several incorrect theories about "the juice" that we see, for example, in the very first episode when the Cant does a braking burn - (Alex: "here comes the juice"). The books do explain this. These are medications designed to help people survive high g situations. I don't know if you've seen or read The Martian by Andy Weir, but he was asked about how people could survive space travel - the variations from 1g and the radiation being the two big points. His theory was medication/tech. We'd cure cancer - that helps with cellular damage. And drugs / tech to handle various issues with deviations from 1g. And this show kinda goes this route. It's not explained because it's just part of their world.
5:00 slow burn on Fred right there. Very nice. 9:25 N.A.S.A. says you will die in space in about 3 minutes without Air. His helmet might have been open but he still had air.
The chip just contains all Order Of Battle Intelligence gathered during the Donnager's fight with the stealth ships, drive signatures, pictures of the enemy vessels, that kind of thing.
It is always good advice to not get attached in this show
Something to think about with Amos' line "It's honest work" - consider the kind of environment you'd be living in where dishonesty/disloyalty is absolutely not tolerated. But you're definitely on the right track in the mystery of his backstory.
Also to support others' remarks about the police on Ceres: Being a private security firm, they are only paid to maintain order and ensure mining output stays up. It also means they would be incredibly flexible about what else they choose to do on the clock. If Anderson Dawes has influence with the workers (he _is_ a mob boss after all), it would not be unusual for them to be dealing under the table. Calling them "law enforcement" would be asking the word "law" to be bearing a lot of moral weight that it seldom does.
"Screaming Firehawks" is what we fans call ourselves. In the fourth season, which happened because "Screaming Firehawks" fought to save the show, the writers acknowledge us.
Mateo and Diogo's interaction with the Martian patrol was typical of how Mars and Earth interacts with Belters. Mateo was listening to an OPA propagandist talking about hurling asteroids at Earth. That's how Mateo got the idea to throw his rocks at the Martian patrol. I don't believe that destroyed their ship, but you could see that the Martian ship fired a missile before the rocks struck him. Don't forget Mateo, though, because the show does not.
Yes, Fred knew about "a" chip. He showed surprise that a Martian had helped them escape. As a former UN soldier, he would know that the Martian suits had combat recorders. We can figure that's where Lopez put the chip Yao gave him.
Amos would have been angry with Holden, except that Naomi said, "He was right." At that point, Amos was more hurt that Naomi was afraid of him, even though he would kill or die for her.
At this point, we know that Amos was raised in childhood in brothels, and that he has respect for prostitutes. The picture Alex keeps is of his wife and child. Recall that when Alex was hypoxic, he was muttering about, "One more trip, Sweety, then I'm coming home."
You mentioned the "Cold Equations" (a great short story). It's good to keep in mind that Belters live the "cold equations" every day. Every Belter would know or know of someone who had to face the cold equations to save the lives of others. Sacrifice happens regularly in the Belt.
At the end, we saw the spy that Avasarala enlisted watching Naomi and Holden with his little spy eye. We saw that spy a bit earlier...he was posing as a technician on the Roci. Naomi shouldered hims aside and angrily took over the task he was probably screwing up
if you love the show at this point, then it's going to blow you away,
For whoever wants to know more about the Expanse, and especially the show. I strongly recommend checking out " Ty & That Guy" it's a (video)-podcast by Wes Chatham (Amos) and Ty Franck (One of the authors of the books). With plenty of guest appearances.
It's pretty much a commentary for each episode, like the ones on physical releases, which we don't really get any more. They done this episode by episode, so there shouldn't be any spoilers.
It definitely does contain spoilers!
Octavia: "I haven't killed someone before."
funnylilgalreacts: "Oh really? She's a cop, feel like that should have happened a couple times."
Damn that's kind of hard core. I hope that's not what you think policing is like.
There are some great science youtube channels that discuss the accuracy of the science of the Expanse. You may enjoy them later on.
I don't know if I've suggested this before, but if/when you get even MORE into The Expanse, you should read the books! They're similar enough to follow along, but different enough to keep it interesting. Also all the actors match their book characters to a T. I just thought of this now, because I don't think the show does a good job of explaining this, but Miller used to be a great cop, but he finally realizes that a) he's become a "station joke" without realizing it, after his life got fucked up, and b) that's the whole reason he was given the task of finding Julie Mao, because if the higher-ups didn't want her found, you give the task to your worst employee.
Maybe you'd enjoy the "Ty & That Guy" channel here on TH-cam, too. Wes Chatham and Ty Franck (one half of the pseudonymous author, James S.A. Corey) run a weekly chat show, where they discuss the show's episodes, with loads of behind the scenes trivia and anecdotes, plus guests from the cast and crew.
Be careful with "Ty & That Guy," though...they do spoil later episodes.
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Yes, I should have mentioned that. Good thing you added the caveat.
he looks like he tastes funny? that made me grin like an idiot lol