In this episode, we discuss: 0:00:43 - How Sebastian’s near-death experience shaped his thinking about mortality and gave him a reverence for life 0:04:50 - The aneurysm that led to Sebastian’s near-death experience 0:16:19 - Emergency room response, his subsequent reflections on the event, and the critical decisions made by the medical team 0:27:04 - Sebastian’s reaction to first learning he nearly died, and the extraordinary skill of the medical team that save his life 0:40:54 - Sebastian’s near-death experience 0:53:31 - The psychological impact of surviving against overwhelming odds 1:01:18 - Ignored warning signs: abdominal pain and a foreshadowing dream before the aneurysm rupture 1:05:43 - Sebastian's recovery, his exploration of near-death experiences, and the psychological turmoil he faced as he questioned the reality of his survival 1:11:38 - A transformative encounter with a nurse who encouraged Sebastian to view his near-death experience as sacred 1:17:50 - How Sebastian has changed: a journey toward emotional awareness and fully engaging with life 1:25:55 - The possibility of an afterlife, and how quantum mechanics challenges our understanding of existence 1:38:34 - Quantum paradoxes leading to philosophical questions about the nature of reality, existence after death, and whether complete knowledge could be destructive 1:51:45 - The sweet spot of uncertainty: exploring belief in God, post-death existence, and meaning in life 2:10:38 - The transformative power of experiencing life with awe and gratitude
I think Einstein best articulated what Sebastian was circling around at the end - and you don’t need to be a believer to follow this: “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
How do you believe everything is a miracle if it wasn’t created? In other words, if everything is just random and ultimately meaningless, how is that miraculous?
@@missioncodezsurely Materialism is defined by patterns -- the laws of nature. Whereas, values like... love, goodness, service, sharing, caring, peace and idealistic beauty are characteristics with meanings and purpose that are not defined by science and the laws of nature/physics. Human values of living, purpose and growth. Might in themselves encounter the miraculous.
We take ourselves so seriously trying to understand consciousness and the universe, and odds are we are not even close. Epistemic humility is very important here.
Wow this was absolutely fascinating. What stopped me in my tracks was Sebastian recounting the nurse telling him to think about his experience as something sacred. I've never had a NDE but the most transformative experience I had in my life was losing my 21 year old son, who was still living at home, to a toxic street mix of heroin and speed. He was found unconsious in the street and although the paramedics were able to get his heart beating again, he died in the hospital the next day. Of course I was grief stricken but what surprised the hell out of me was that, over the next days and weeks, not only did I experience episodes of intense grief, but they were intermixed with interludes of profound joy and gratitude for what a gift it was to live. I saw everything with new eyes. Food tasted better, colors were more vibrant, ordinary people were a delight...I remember attending a ballet a couple months later and started crying alone in my seat, wondering what in the world did I do to deserve to see such an exquisite performance. The day my son died felt as sacred an event to me as the day he was birthed out of my body. Whether it's after 21 years, 60 or 100, the end of the incredible experience of life awaits us all. And I realized that the last thing we should do is squander this gift by obsessing about and fearing its end, but instead be grateful and joyful, in as many moments as possible, to have been randomly awarded by the universe, this exceedingly rare coincidence of events that created us. I felt as though the year he died was the year I really started to live.
I have listened to dozens of NDE stories and what is most striking are 1) recounts of blind people who hover above their bodies and describe verifiable events that took place in the ER or neighboring rooms that only someone who could see would be able to recount, 2) same thing for deaf people and 3) meeting with deceased relatives they were never told about such as a still born sibling. There is no way such events could be explained by chemical synapses misfiring in the brain and fact that the majority people describe meeting God should leave no doubt about whether God or an afterlife exist. The fact that your guest describes this as a deeply troubling experience might be a sign he needs to make some changes in his life.
💯 ‼️ I’ve listened to NDE stories for many, many years and attended my local IANDS meetings and this guest I’ve listened to on another interview and his arrogance that he’s a science believer and not into “woo-woo” illustrates his close mindedness (ignorance) Take Dr Jeffery O’Driscoll a trauma ER physician - his shared death experiences are well known - he kinda knows something about science and he knows the “woo-woo” too… as many other scientific experiencers do… science and spirituality are not mutually exclusive!!!!! Even the top scientific UFO researchers know.
@@dwhite6213 Not sure how a blind person being able to see verifiable events that took place outside their hospital room (e.g. in the hospital cafeteria) could be explained by the imagination. Or someone meeting a dead relative in the afterlife they never knew existed but could verify there existence after coming back.
I agree , after studying NDEs, they are not all hallucinating because a lot of people are dead relatives and have conversations with them, how can you hallucinate that?
I came down with pneumonia as a newborn. I was hospitalized and my mother was told that they didn’t think I would survive. I’m told that my mother was despondent and couldn’t communicate with anyone. That is until a beautiful, black, female nurse came into the room. She told my mother that I was going to be just fine and that I had some sort of purpose in this world. After I recovered my mother went back to the hospital to thank this woman. She was told that there was no black, female nurse in the ward. She was told that they had heard stories of her from other guests of their floor. I grew up believing that I had a beautiful, black female guardian angel. But now that I’m older and reconsidered it, it seems that she was there for all the babies in that ward, not just me. In any event, the idea of it has given me comfort over the years. I’ve had too many phenomenal experiences to say that I don’t believe in things that can’t be explained by science. I find it amusing to hear “science” minded people tell me that they’re non-believers because they have a scientific mind, as if everyone else is a bunch of idiots. lol! A bit arrogant to think we’re even close to having the answers here.
I've listened to him tell this story a couple of times, and I have also had similar NDE and also fifteen years later my eldest son transitioned to the spirit world, and it blows me away that he could hold both the knowledge of this amazing experience and the belief that there is no God, no miracles, nothing bigger than us. Seems like that takes an enormous amount of denial,. This cognitive dissonance could have something to do with why he feels depressed rather than at peace when he thinks of it.
This was exactly my thought when I heard this interview. First, his insistence that he is still an atheist even though by the end of the interview it is clear that by most definitions he is an agnostic shows how strongly he tries to hold his position that there is no God. Secondly, the mental conflict he was dealing with that required psychiatric help seems to stem from his inability to reconcile his NDE with his world view.
Somehow believing in arbitrary fiction is the choice that involves less cognitive dissonance? Because the brain hallucinated some near death experience? Like your whole reality is your brain hallucinating your surroundings into existence nothing about near death experience compels belief in what we have absolutely no capacity to fathom
Oh and not just is the brain obviously in crisis in those moments, it is often also drugged up to oblivion. It's really not some proof of something else that the brain can hallucinate things especially in critical moments, it does that all the time and people literally see contradictory realities
As any other paradigm in the past shows, we need to be open humble about our current paradigms. The paradox of current quantum theories is it exposes what we do not know.
Also fascinating that he says “oh my God” & “thank God” over the course of the interview. I think he is either in denial or suffering from Severe cognitive dissonance on the existence of God the Father.
I had a near death experience during caesarean section under a general age 17… The anaesthetic didn’t work, my body was only paralysed, I could feel everything.. it felt like being cut open with a blow torch… I couldn’t speak or move … I ‘left my body’ when the pain become unbearable I went into a place of complete LOVE I felt back then that I’d experienced things that we shouldn’t see or know, it was so difficult to function afterwards… I lived like I wasn’t really alive, like I was a ghost.. I couldn’t speak about it.. for a long time As a result my life since has been a journey of questioning reality… What is Life, Who Am I, What Am I, What is Death.. What is LOVE
What Sebastian is reporting there is quite common, although not often discussed. It's certainly in the bracket of an NDE but it's also like a crisis apparition. I knew someone who was having a massive heart attack (the beginnings of) whilst driving. His dead mother appeared next to him (yes really) and told him to drive to the hospital immediately. He didn't know where the (a) hospital was but she guided him down roads he'd never been on before and got him to one. He climbed out of his lorry and walked through the hospital doors and fell stone dead on the floor. They were able to restart his heart and despite being in a coma for two weeks he recovered. This guy was not religious or a believer at all, but he was adamant his mother was really there. Materialist sceptics will confidently inform you with certainty that....this can't happen ! It happened and it continues to happen.
It Is true indeed!! I died twice by poisoning in 97 and 2006. Saw my body from above, felt a strong pull of void too. I wore spectacles ( -2.5) since I was 15 yrs old but my eyesight was fully cured in 2011. My Kuldilini awakened in 1994 by meditation. A couple of eye specialists have examined my eyes since and have found no evidence of my past myopia . Miracles HAPPEN !!!
@@arundogra6912wait, what do your NDE’s have anything to do with your myopia being completely cured? I mean, it’s awesome because I have myopia and really hate it, but why would being near death made your eyesight perfect?
Dear, I had been meditatinday regularly ,Dear, I had been meditatinday regularly , in 1994, my Kundalini was awakened.i had many disturbances in my life, anger, rage, weeping, uncontrolled laughter and much more.My first NDE , POISONED by family , was declared dead by doctors but woke up in 3hrs while my funeral was being prepared in 1997 and 2nd in 2005, again poisoned, dead for 3days as ilived alone with son in the hostel, who ultimately climbed thr window to wake me up. cli@CrystallyLavender y@@RoyalPurpleStar
It’s like the knowledge is only accessible from a state beyond our physical existence, and once you return, it’s beyond our capacity to fully grasp or remember. It’s a profound realization that certain truths might only be understood in a different state of being.
Anyone who enjoyed this discussion and would like to get another doctor’s perspective on their near death experience, I would highly recommend you check out Dr. Mary Neal’s story. She has an amazing story that has forever changed my view regarding the afterlife. I would love it if Peter Attia interviewed her as well. It would certainly add valuable insight to this discussion.
@@lucianoveronicablaudt2214 dr eben Alexander’s story is wonderful. He’s a neurosurgeon who survived and thrived after a deep coma from having ecoli eating away his brain
@@lucianoveronicablaudt2214 Also check out Dr Tony Cicoria, orthopedic surgeon who had an NDE after being struck by lightning. He then became a musician so that he could reproduce the amazing music he heard during his NDE.
When Mellon Thomas Benedict, A lifelong atheist, asked the LIGHT during his NDE, "Are you God?" It responded, "Who and what is NOT God?" That sums it up for me. Get out of your head. Get into your heart.💖
In huge agreement with you. Mellon Thomas near death profound, has given me hope for over twenty five year's as well as the thousands of near death books and podcasts I've watched. I feel sad for this guy, my brother is exactly the same. He needs to read every single one of Raymond Moodys books.
God is a human invention. Not only is there ZERO evidence of God but everything we know about the natural world proves God and an afterlife doesn't exist. Google and do your research.
Just because we don’t understand or have the correct concept of God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. We use the word God because we are limited by vocabulary and what we can comprehend based on what we can perceive.
This is quite often what discussions come down to and you realize that even atheists or religious people can have very similar beliefs. If you water down the definition of 'god' so much to just mean mysterious, unknown nature of consciousness/universe, then most atheists incl myself would agree.
@@MarkusWaasthe mystery starts at home. What is the source of human Consciousness? If not Materialistic, then Personality survival is contingent on succeeding beyond the mortal biological vehicle.
Yeah atheism is just as ignorant as blind religiosity. They still have to explain where/why ideas/experiences are experienced. How did this mind saying that there is no god come to imagine such things as god/no god? If dumb atoms/ethereal fields create “imagination and experience” then the even a rock could be considered to have an experience of being. Explain that. Maybe it’s a spectrum. Like rocks are made of what makes us conscious, but rocks are just so unconscious that they’re pretty much considered to be so. Like how black turns into white. Athiesm lacks introspection that has no bias. Athiesm may admit that it critical thinks, yet it critical thinks with a heavy bias.
Sebastian, I’m a Ukrainian 🇺🇦 in my 30s living in Kyiv. My husband is defending Ukraine from russia's bloodthirsty desire to eliminate my nation. russia has already killed someone in my family and burned down a house belonging to close relatives. With these experiences, I am an average Ukrainian. Your survival and now your coverage of russia’s war in Ukraine is work that changes the lives of millions. Each war journalist who refuses to let russia commit war crimes against Ukrainians in silence-as has happened with russia many times before-and who advocates for military aid to help us defend our freedom and our right to live in a democratic European country, is a hero to me and millions of Ukrainians. Thank you! It matters! For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good people to stand aside. You are a good person who is fighting alongside us. I’m an avid follower of the knowledge Peter Attia shares, and I’m really grateful to you and him for this inspiring talk. I’ve added your book to my reading list 🙏
Most riveting conversation. Dr Attia's knowledge and the ability to hone in on some of the specifics kept me engaged. Thank you both for the fascinating story.
There are much better ones out there. Check out Suzanne Giesemann, Bernardo Kastrup and IANDS for more detailed and unbiased discussions on consciousness.
I'm a clinical scientist but also a Christian. It blows my mind to see situations like this where materialists are presented with events that completely blow up the reductionalist frame and yet do everything they can to explain it away in terms of quantum mechanics, physicalism, biologic pathways, etc instead of just accepting it as an experienced event. It is especially pronounced in Junger's case who consistently cites his physicist father as a source of "rationalism and empiricism". So many of the best physicists (Schrodinger, Heisenberg, Eddington, etc.) were deeply metaphysical people who saw their engagement with physics as a means of reaching for the deep intelligibility of the universe; deriving the patterns of reality from physical substance. I'll pray that this experience makes Junger really dig into metaphysics and more precisely the Church Fathers who truly saw the divinity of consciousness.
Just because something is experienced doesn’t make it true. I dream wildly at night with intense experiences, but none of them actually happened for real. There is a key difference between real events and experiences. One can be scientifically and empirically validated while the other simply cannot. Revelation is not and cannot be in any sense scientific.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman I agree with you but at some point you do acknowledge the reality of experience. What is the heuristic by which you make that conclusion?
@@brianj7281 Experience is just experience. That is one of the poorest forms of evidence, even in court. Hence why we device experiments where we have a control with instrumentation and measurements so that if true it can be replicated. Again, just because it is experienced does not make it true at all. And your own “personal truth” means nothing when trying to think scientifically.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman You completely ignored my question. And "ackkkthually" they do care about experience in court which is why they interview witnesses and ask people to identify suspects. Explain your heuristics.
@@brianj7281 Eyewitness testimony is STILL the poorest form of evidence in court, genius. You can have countless people claim to have seen Bigfoot and swear by it, but that all means absolutely nothing if you can’t produce a shred of physical evidence. Same goes for your metaphysical claims.
My ex , who passed away from kidney cancer, was a high energy particles physicist and he basically said the same thing about dying...my hope it that my energy meets his in the future.
I can't remember another conversation or experience I've heard that was more confirming for me that there is indeed a God, a God worthy of our pursuit and awe. Thank you for sharing! ❤
Junger actually uses a different Einstein quote in his book: "Matter is spirit reduced to the point of visibility-there is no matter." The book is revelatory, not just for his personal insight and struggle for a rationalist, but for the stunning acuity of his writing. I've read it, heard him talk about this experience on several podcasts and I still can't get enough of his story. Definitely recommend the book...and it's barely more than 100 pages.
I had a very similar near death experience thanks to West Nile in my late 20s. After weeks in a coma, months in rehab and recovery, I recovered. I simply refused to harp on what occurred or why I survived. Maybe it was all the loss I’d had in my life, or the fact that I got pregnant within months, but I just didn’t spend much time on what happened until now, years later, I look back and wonder how/why. Enough time has passed where it almost doesnt seem real and it’s just another chapter in my story.
I experienced an NDE but I actually died in the hospital. My entire life was rebooted. And btw, I saw and heard everything that went on as they tried to revive me and yes, I saw my family standing at the foot of the bed and I never knew I was gone. It was actually a very pleasant feeling had no terror just utter total surrender with a huge sigh.
Thank you for your transparency. I pray that God visits you and you get your answers. I had a near death experience in my thirties and went through the depression you explained so what you experienced is real. I even felt guilty of surviving and had to come to terms of whether I should cross the center line against oncoming cars. I got through that season. I thought when I took out a telephone pole in 2022, that would be my last day on earth. The depression I experienced in my thirties didn’t come to be. In fact, I believed God saw to it I was spared. Can’t explain it, it just was. I do believe in a God so I think in my thirties, I was where you are and now in my sixties, I have a different vantage point. I’m not a quantum expert so maybe I’m an example of God using the foolish to confound the wise.
@@Ragnar-Lothbrok967 haha yea a lot of diff emotions brewed up, comfort in the sense of relief, contribution, maybe a sense of peace…all diff viewpoints on the sense of ‘after’ if one should let themselves imagine?
I look forward to this. I had the opportunity to hear Sebastian in 2013 at the True/False Film Festival in Columbia,MO. I watched Restrepo-intense. That documentary better prepared me to teach and learn from my military students. Thank you tor having him on The Drive.
This is the best podcast by Peter Attia. Ever since my mum and aunty passed, Ive been hungry to search about this topic, but this is probably the most solid and legitimate encounter.
Nope. There are much better ones out there. Check out Suzanne Giesemann, Bernardo Kastrup and IANDS for more detailed and unbiased discussions on consciousness.
I also follow IANDs. I'll also check out these other ones. What I like about this interview is that he is straight up and atheist giving a very interesting perspective to NDEs and the afterlife.
If you're squeamish about extended-duration blood/artery talk (as I've always been since middle school health class), do yourself a favor and skip to the ~40 minute mark, but the rest of the discussion is fantastic!
Thank you for allowing me to listen to this conversation. Listen. Let it sink in and give new perspectives. It nurtured many good reflections. "Slightly" greater existential weight than the choice of dietary supplements and the question of creatine or not creatine.
Sebastian has a misunderstanding of the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser. I will try to clear up his misconceptions. In the experiment, photons are split into pairs of entangled particles. One of these photons is the signal photon, which passes through the slits, and the other is the idler photon, which is sent toward detectors (D1, D2, D3, or D4). The act of splitting the photons is what creates the entanglement between them. This entanglement means the behavior of the signal photon is linked to the behavior of its corresponding idler photon. Neither the signal photon nor the idler photon produces an interference pattern on their own. When the signal photon hits the screen after passing through the slits, it behaves like a particle, not a wave. Similarly, the idler photon, when detected at D1, D2, D3, or D4, does not show any interference pattern either. Here’s the key: the illusion of an interference pattern comes from the way the data is analyzed. By selectively looking at certain subsets of the signal photons (based on where the idler photon is detected at D3 or D4), we can reconstruct an interference pattern because when you only look at the subset of signal photons it looks like an interference pattern has appeared. However, this interference pattern is not truly there in the raw data. When you take the full dataset from all detectors (D1, D2, D3, and D4)-that is, when you include all signal photons, not just the ones correlated with D3 and D4-there is no interference pattern. The overall data shows the photons behaving like particles, not waves. What’s really happening is that selectively filtering the data creates the illusion of wave-like behavior. The so-called interference pattern only arises when we selectively choose data based on certain criteria (like which detector the idler photon went to), but it’s not a genuine interference pattern in the classical sense. The split photons (signal and idler) do not individually create an interference pattern.The interference pattern only seems to appear when we selectively analyze data based on detector choices, but it’s an artifact of data filtering-not a real wave pattern. When we combine all the data from all detectors, there is no interference pattern, just particle behavior. This experiment is a powerful demonstration of how information and measurement choices affect quantum systems, but it doesn’t show that photons inherently behave like waves in this setup.
A statement that helps me separate these tree's of logic is "science attempts to explain what "is" and religion attempts to explain what "ought to be". The two probably shouldn't be crossed. I do find the conversation and the attempt at understanding riveting and intellectually stimulating. A hyper-simplistic analog... When presented with a cake, a scientist could tell you every ingredient and process required to bake such a cake but no scientific principle could be applied to tell you "why" the cake was baked. Is verse Ought. Thank you Dr. Attia for such engaging content.
Except religion hardly limits its claims to what ought to be. Religions very much make ontological statements about reality: God, the afterlife, karma, etc. It’s definitely not just about matters of value.
Richard Feynman, winner of a Nobel Prize for his contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics, once said "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you don't understand quantum mechanics."
As an atheist, he feels himself pulled into an eternal black hole upon death and sees his dead dad at the same time. He acknowledges the consistency of NDEs in theme over the course of the millennia in spite of different worldviews and cultures and makes the statement that this was nothing like a hallucination (explaining away the biggest secular argument against NDEs). The nurse was not able to be found yet spoke EXACTLY what he needed to hear at that time. All of these statements/experiences require an explanation. What would be the most rational conclusion for Sebastian? Is it that they’re random or that there is something more to them as his soul screams at him about them?
The Father always loves his children, is patient with their petulance and seeks their return to him. That's why he gives them opportunities to come home. It's only their stubborness that keeps them apart. Seek him with your heart and he will answer. His Grace and Mercy abounds. Don't be counted among the dead, but seek the living. Your eternal soul is at stake.!
I had a very similar experience with a brain aneurysm almost two years ago but it's interesting how positive my almost dying experience was ... Between the beautiful gardens and universe I got to visit and the deceased people and "angels/guides" I was with. It all turned out to be an amazing almost death experience for me 😅. So it's interesting to hear his experience of the almost death being really negative.
Holy cow! His father was leading him to join him in that pit. God help him. I hope he choses the light in the darkness. He equates faith with foolishness. Having faith doesn’t mean you have special luck. The Bible actually states, “In this world you will have trouble but take heart I have overcome the world” John 16:33 Look at the apostles. They all died a horrific death but they will live in the light forever.
Death is in the mind to use time and enjoy life. The Roman used to put human skeletons in their parties to remind them to be in the balance and remind them of death.
KUDOS !! to both of you for areal authentic account of NDE. After lisening to over 100 NDE accounts on U- tube, this one is closest to reality. I am 67 and was declared dead by poisoning for 3 hrs at 40 and then for 3 days ( lived alone) at 46 again thr.poisoning. Saw myself from above and felt the strong pull of black void (both times). I am from a spiritual upbringing and have my KUNDILINI awakened when I was 36. I fully endorse this excellent talk , and wish them well !
This is quite interesting. Both did a good job trying to explain complicated subject matter to someone as myself who is well under their intelligence level, lol. I may read his book to take in his story again. And I'll be sure to pray for his doubts to giveaway to the realization of our eternal afterlife & the truth of God's mercy. 😊
I’ve heard others say that the reason why some live and some die in situations like his is because he had a purpose to fulfill. He was not done here yet. Those who went before him seemingly by random, they had fulfilled their purposes and it was their time. That is what I’m hearing other people who actually did go down the rabbit hole and then came back.
If you read the book, he actually seems to be open to there being some sort of afterlife. He explores the possibilities of the hereafter based upon research of NDEs. His father was a hardcore rationalist, empiricist, physicist atheist. Whom he loved and looked up to.
Not a very pleasant afterlife, if we go by how terrified he was. He had zero desire to follow his dead father into the black pit, which he perceived to be nothingness or oblivion. It seems he feared he was going to be annihilated. He experienced no feelings of peace or comfort from any being in his NDE. Negative NDEs like this one are a big problem and are mostly ignored because they go against the more desired narrative. As long as they exist and run counter to the message of unconditional love and such from more positive NDEs, it makes the reality of all of them suspect, unfortunately.
Got tired of the incredible arrogance. No evidence of God? Look around, man. Miracles abound! I pray (gasp!) your eyes get opened. If we could figure out God he wouldn’t be God.
In listening to this podcast I saw the mercy and kindness of God all over it. It saddens me that two very smart men said there is no proof of God. The Bible says, “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18. The following parable reminded me of a life without Christ. A young man mockingly said to a preacher, “You say that unsaved people carry a great weight of sin. Frankly, I feel nothing. How heavy is sin? Ten pound? Fifty pounds? Eighty pounds? A hundred pounds ?” The preacher thought for a moment and gently replied, “If you laid a four hundred-pound weight on a corpse, would it feel the load?” The young man was quick to say, “Of course not; it’s dead.” The preacher replied, “The person who doesn’t know Christ is equally dead. And though the load is great, he feels none of it.” The Good News is that our Lord Jesus is patient and merciful. All who call on Him will be saved. Please consider asking God to give you the eyes to see Him, the ears to hear Him and the heart to love like Him.He will reveal himself to you and He will answer in a way that you will understand. He gives peace during troubled times and makes all things new. 💕🙏💕
I have been appreciating Sebastian's work for a while - I'm not sure if it's the setting or shirt or what but Sebastian is looking unwell. That's why I clicked here, I had no idea he had an aneurism. Does anyone know if he is presently ill? What an ordeal he endured.
Loved this conversation. I've heard Junger speak about quantum mechanics on a few podcasts. It's interesting that his research didn't take him beyond the Copenhagen interpretation. Feel like his perspective would be augmented if he read about Hugh Everett
It’s revealing that such a strongly committed atheist intellectual experiences a terrifying dark tunnel hole that wants to pull him downward into darkness and then sees his atheist father and knows he doesn’t want to go where his father is - there’s no experience of light, no peace, no love…..only the terrifying. But there have been other atheist NDEs where they become humbled and open and experience the pull upwards to the light, the love, the bliss, and even God .
Yes, negative NDEs like this are definitely problematic. It goes against the messages of positive ones, and in doing so puts the legitimacy of all NDEs in question.
Understanding this human life can’t be done, and I think the reason it can’t be done is because it wasn’t meant to put in a box and put on display for all to see. In the same way that a flame can’t burn itself, and air can’t breath itself, we, as humans can’t see God for the same reason. But we can experience many different feelings and emotions that lend themselves to a better understanding of complex concepts. If you understand what was meant by the expression, “…it is better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.” - then you have succeeded in the purpose and meaning of this human life. You have love inside of you but no team of surgeons or scientists or philosophers or religious figures can dig into the human body and find this love that we have inside of us and put it inside of a box. The NDE experience shows us that, “….it is better to have lived (in a human body) and lost (died) then to have never lived a human life at all.” Our human body is the “box” and our soul and spirit and essence is the love. We are the love and we are the way that God was able to put love inside of a box !!! And when we are taken out of our “boxes” then we will return to the One that put us inside the box in the first place. And I’d be very much amiss if I took any credit for this information or for anything for that matter, because I know, and see, and ‘feel’ that it was all given to me. It was all a gift. All of it. The good, the bad, the ugly, and even the unimaginable. So what does a person do who was given everything, including the whole of the infinite universe? That person only wants to give it all away - to everyone - because in doing so, that person knows that they are just giving right back to themselves. Death is a human word, a term to explain an earthly concept or condition - but death from a spiritual concept does not have any meaning. It’s like leaving a movie theater and going home to be with your loving family and enjoying the thought of going to another movie next weekend. You can lie to everyone but you cannot lie to yourself or to God. So if you tell people you didn’t cry when you saw the movie, “Brian’s Song”, then please tell us,….exactly WHO do you think you are lying to? See you all in the lobby of the theater. I’ll be out here with a Kleenex to give to you to wipe away the tears in your eyes.
Amazing! He’s still an atheist after having such a profound experience! It’s interesting how they glossed over the fact that the beloved physicist they talked about 1:47:02 1:47:02 began a relationship at the age of 40 with a 16-year-old which he tutored. Are they that naïve to believe that this man was not having a physical relationship with a 16-year-old?! Basically this revered physicist was a pedophile! I’m just saying that neither one of them commented on the inappropriateness of this relationship, and Sebastian was very naïve to state that they waited to be romantically involved until she was 18 years of age. I know this man is not that naïve.
Follow up to my comment about the pedophile physicist, despite my previous comments I did enjoy this discussion and I’m certainly not criticizing this man for remaining an atheist. I’m just surprised. Religion has so mangled the image of God, I totally understand why he might be reluctant to believe in a higher power that we refer to as God.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman "Look, man, you can joke all you want, but just because you can't see something doesn't mean it ain't real. You didn’t see life coming before you were born, right? Same deal after. So, believe what you want, but don't act like you're dropping truth just 'cause you're loud about it. Some things go deeper than your jokes, but I don't need to prove anything to you."
He admits that he chooses not to believe in God because he does not like the way he believes God operates with his own creation. That is like not believing in death because he doesn't like that it exists.
he gave quite a few more reasons, at the end of the day it really comes down to the fact that the answer god poses just even more questions then it tries to answer and is completely made up without evidence
@@MarkusWaascompletely made up, without evidence, yet this man (an “atheist”) claims to have been there and seen it with his own eyes along with millions of of other people. Just because you don’t find it convincing, doesn’t mean there isn’t evidence. You, like Sebastian, are not being rational about the evidence presented.
If your father was an atheist, and you saw him at the same time, this black hole appeared, you can correlate it with the fact that the black hole was the entrance to hell and the entity that looked like your father was there to take you to hell
During his NDE he saw his dead atheist father who was in the dark abyss-perhaps a place without light, without God. The angel nurse suggests that he sees the experience as sacred. My thinking is that the angel nurse was suggesting that he was offered another opportunity to live and to find God. Do deny God leads to the dark abyss. His return to life was filled w despair, panic and depression-and why not-whether he dies at 58 or 98 if thats what awaits him-ugh! To love and trust in God leads to a place of peace and love. We cant always know the why-just trust, love God and leave the rest to Him.
It is stress to listen as it remind me of all my patient s with internal bleeding like ruptured uterus, ruptured splenic arteries after normal delivery, bleeding from right ovarian artery after Caesarian section in grandmultipara. I think if it is me I drive him and ldt ambulance to follow . This what a young GP did asked parent to start driving to meet them with the ambulance half way to gain time .lance
Oh those COVID restrictions. We lost our mom without saying goodbye( she died of COVID ) on ventilator- they even said from OUTSIDE the hospital we could FaceTime goodbye ( ugh) and then their wiifii went out ! So never saw her alive again , standing outside hospital all Day couldn’t go in. So many have this story. And to top it off we were first responders fully vaccd!! So back then we were told we “couldn’t spread “ it and we were all neg.
❤Yup can’t get enough of NDEs they r so fascinating. Love them. Surprised you haven’t interviewed any of the NDE researchers such as Bruce Grayson, the psychiatrist who wrote “After.”
Fascinating discussion. I wish Peter asked Sebastian what counts as proof for God? Both bump up against what classic metaphysics and theology mean by God when they speak of the miracle of our existence the improbability of our universe existing and an infinite consciousness making all things possible. Sebastian admits having the tendency to narrowly focus on one thing to the exclusion of much else which is left brain thinking according to I McGilchrist. If they understand God to mean existence itself which needs no one to create it- the source of truth meaning beauty Peter’s mistaken assumption much of their problems with God would fall away. Then all the proof you need is the existence of anything and everything.
We are afraid of unknowns. Death is the greatest unknown. He was afraid to follow his father because he knew he was dead and he knew what he was seeing made no sense w regards to the relational, physical, scientific society/ world we live in. It has a theme of all the other nde’s though- seeing someone that’s dead who tries to comfort u. I’m a pretty hardcore rationalist myself but I had an nde where I died on my couch and what I saw flipped my world upside down and stays w me. I’m def biased in my beliefs of after life n such.
@@barbarafairbanks4578 Yes, my take on it. Not judging, it just seems counter to what other people come away with after this type of event. Regardless, I wish him well on whatever perspective he walks away with. I wish the same for you.
The real question is did he have the MAL cut or the stent they put in will be crushed by the compression. Does anyone know ? I have the exact same thing and it’s quite the juggling act in what to do BEFORE you get to his point in the process.
The most amazing part of this story is that he had medical personnel that cared about him enough to diagnose and treat him. My daughter who had Down syndrome was hospitalized numerous times, was never diagnosed, never treated and we had to beg to be taken seriously, l am a year and a half into my grief journey. Her autopsy diagnosed her with hydrocephalus. I miss her so much. She was a wonderful person, deserving of every consideration as anyone else.
Should check out any of them youtube interviews with Donald Hoffman concerning the newest ideas about whether classical physics, or even quantum physics really expresses the nature of physical reality. It would cast the last portion of the interview in an entirely different light.
Restrepo was such a powerful documentary. God was not in the valley. "I started thinking that God hates me," said Army Sgt. Brendan O'Byrne, who has a shaved head and a reddish beard and sits in a dark room recounting his ordeal and finding little solace. "I'm not religious or anything, but I felt like there was this hate for me 'cause I did sins.... That's the terrible thing of war. You do terrible things and you have to live with them afterwards but you'd do them the same way if you had to go back. So what do you do? It's an evil, evil, evil thing inside your body. It's like … good versus evil inside there."
On the agnostic argument: I am an agnostic because I accept the truth that my critical thinking is done with a brain and that the brain does not have the capability to fully understand reality due to combinatorial explosion (too many factors interacting). Also, the principle of information irreversibility suggests we couldn't know the beginning state of the universe even if we had infinite compute. Therefore, I concluded that the only real 'truth' that a human can know is that they can't know. I understand the Kierkegaard style notion of taking a leap of faith as being our only option, and I see claiming there is a 'God' and claiming there is no 'God' both as massive leaps of faith. One problem is that the word of God means many things to humans, but I look at it from a reductive point of view; that it's a word applied to the sense that most if not all humans have of a great mystery and force that is the base of existence. It may not be that there's no evidence of 'God' but that we wouldn't even understand how to look for God, where to look, or what we're looking at, or maybe that the simple truth is that it's in front of us all the time as existence itself being instead of not being. Either way, I think of 'God' in the terms of what is the source of being, which seems to be the real magic to me. I say magic, because as humans we think of everything as singular objects that either exist or not but we all know the old philosophical problem of, 'okay, but where did the big bang come from? Where did anything come from?' So the origin of existence itself is truly outside of 'reason'. Agnosticism is the only label I've found that allows a peace with the fact that there is a great mystery that I cannot fully understand with reason, and that I'm happy just being a human now while watching it all go on. I don't mean to misattribute materialism to atheism, but I still think outright denying 'God' literally is a misunderstanding of the 'feeling' of there being a 'divine' force underlying the universe that humans call 'God'. Why not spirituality? Well, once again spirituality comes with human imagination as to spirits all around us and/or what an afterlife would look like. Maybe there is an afterlife, but I doubt it would be like what we are capable of imagining. Anyway, long rant. Kinda just wanted to practice explaining my reasoning behind my decision to go by 'agnostic'.
It's sad to me that Mr Junger has been given not one but two ND experiences to see what are clearly miracles in his life. I pray that he will research faith as thoroughly as he has NDEs and accept God. It's truly transformative and brings peace that passes understanding. 🙏
Interesting, blessings are by definition shed blood. That’s the Gospel. Some people will have faith and some will not. “My sheep hear my voice.. they follow me.”
@jodihoyle2297 Maybe you should 'feel sad' for your own limited perspectives on life/death and the experiences of what others 'should feel'...according to you😊
He is good with how he came to terms with death. Your ideas bring you peace. His ideas bring him peace. Don’t be sad for him, be sad for yourself, as I am, that you listened to him & that’s all you came away with. 😢 Closed-mindedness is the lowest human vibration of all.
He stated that he doesn’t like the Christian concept of the afterlife or the idea that consciousness would continue forever but that he can wrap his mind around, and is comfortable with, the idea of a sort of collective subconsciousness that persists. My question for him is, “since when does what we feel or want determine what’s actually true?” I wish I could be an NFL quarterback and think that would be cool but I’m not… It’s ironic to me that he says that an afterlife strips the meaning and dignity out of life yet holds onto a position that posits we are a random assortment of molecules spinning on a rock into nothingness. -Talking about his dream: l felt regret because “I didn’t take life seriously.” “There was no going back.” “I had squandered this great treasure of life.” “I woke up and immediately thought, thank GOD I’m not dead. Thank GOD that I’m here.” -Talking about entangled particles: “If you understand them, I sure didn’t, but take it on FAITH from the physicists.” -On semantics of the afterlife: “I prefer to use the phrase post-death because afterlife is too imbued with a visual of us in a hammock with a drink and too pleasant.” Essentially, “I don’t like this phrase that describes my experience because it too closely aligns with a worldview I’ve already pre-determined I don’t believe in prior to looking at the evidence objectively.” -On life’s meaning: “wow you really maximized it GOD, if you’re out there, putting us in a position to maximize the meaningfulness of life.”
So after listen 3quarters in, this would explain why prayers work and change things. The course of energetic parts when observed change their course when we make an emotional or sensual observation in our current state. So as soon as we do not like or like something we are observing and then we can go back in time, pose a wish or question and create a set of words around it ( prayer or wish) and vola, all we have to do now is wait for it to materialise. You have just affirmed why everyone is so confused, this is brilliant. Jesus apparently did say may it be done onto you as you believe it.
In this episode, we discuss:
0:00:43 - How Sebastian’s near-death experience shaped his thinking about mortality and gave him a reverence for life
0:04:50 - The aneurysm that led to Sebastian’s near-death experience
0:16:19 - Emergency room response, his subsequent reflections on the event, and the critical decisions made by the medical team
0:27:04 - Sebastian’s reaction to first learning he nearly died, and the extraordinary skill of the medical team that save his life
0:40:54 - Sebastian’s near-death experience
0:53:31 - The psychological impact of surviving against overwhelming odds
1:01:18 - Ignored warning signs: abdominal pain and a foreshadowing dream before the aneurysm rupture
1:05:43 - Sebastian's recovery, his exploration of near-death experiences, and the psychological turmoil he faced as he questioned the reality of his survival
1:11:38 - A transformative encounter with a nurse who encouraged Sebastian to view his near-death experience as sacred
1:17:50 - How Sebastian has changed: a journey toward emotional awareness and fully engaging with life
1:25:55 - The possibility of an afterlife, and how quantum mechanics challenges our understanding of existence
1:38:34 - Quantum paradoxes leading to philosophical questions about the nature of reality, existence after death, and whether complete knowledge could be destructive
1:51:45 - The sweet spot of uncertainty: exploring belief in God, post-death existence, and meaning in life
2:10:38 - The transformative power of experiencing life with awe and gratitude
@DrP Do you know if the also cut his MAL ? I’m guessing not since it was done endo, but that puts pressure on the stent and can crush it.
I think Einstein best articulated what Sebastian was circling around at the end - and you don’t need to be a believer to follow this: “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Well said.. indeed!
How do you believe everything is a miracle if it wasn’t created? In other words, if everything is just random and ultimately meaningless, how is that miraculous?
@@missioncodezsurely Materialism is defined by patterns -- the laws of nature.
Whereas, values like... love, goodness, service, sharing, caring, peace and idealistic beauty are characteristics with meanings and purpose that are not defined by science and the laws of nature/physics.
Human values of living, purpose and growth. Might in themselves encounter the miraculous.
But most people live in between. So how Einstein was wrong. You can live your life as neither one or the other…
We take ourselves so seriously trying to understand consciousness and the universe, and odds are we are not even close. Epistemic humility is very important here.
Wow this was absolutely fascinating. What stopped me in my tracks was Sebastian recounting the nurse telling him to think about his experience as something sacred.
I've never had a NDE but the most transformative experience I had in my life was losing my 21 year old son, who was still living at home, to a toxic street mix of heroin and speed. He was found unconsious in the street and although the paramedics were able to get his heart beating again, he died in the hospital the next day. Of course I was grief stricken but what surprised the hell out of me was that, over the next days and weeks, not only did I experience episodes of intense grief, but they were intermixed with interludes of profound joy and gratitude for what a gift it was to live. I saw everything with new eyes. Food tasted better, colors were more vibrant, ordinary people were a delight...I remember attending a ballet a couple months later and started crying alone in my seat, wondering what in the world did I do to deserve to see such an exquisite performance. The day my son died felt as sacred an event to me as the day he was birthed out of my body.
Whether it's after 21 years, 60 or 100, the end of the incredible experience of life awaits us all. And I realized that the last thing we should do is squander this gift by obsessing about and fearing its end, but instead be grateful and joyful, in as many moments as possible, to have been randomly awarded by the universe, this exceedingly rare coincidence of events that created us.
I felt as though the year he died was the year I really started to live.
I just got to the last part and it describes it exactly. The blessing that came with the curse.
Really beautifully put. Thank you.
Thank you for stating that, and so well. That is an infinite testament.
After everything you’ve experienced and from everyone you’ve ever listened to, what would make you think that your existence is due to random chance?
It's what makes the most sense to me given the information we currently have available.
I have listened to dozens of NDE stories and what is most striking are 1) recounts of blind people who hover above their bodies and describe verifiable events that took place in the ER or neighboring rooms that only someone who could see would be able to recount, 2) same thing for deaf people and 3) meeting with deceased relatives they were never told about such as a still born sibling. There is no way such events could be explained by chemical synapses misfiring in the brain and fact that the majority people describe meeting God should leave no doubt about whether God or an afterlife exist. The fact that your guest describes this as a deeply troubling experience might be a sign he needs to make some changes in his life.
Agree
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I’ve listened to NDE stories for many, many years and attended my local IANDS meetings and this guest I’ve listened to on another interview and his arrogance that he’s a science believer and not into “woo-woo” illustrates his close mindedness (ignorance)
Take Dr Jeffery O’Driscoll a trauma ER physician - his shared death experiences are well known - he kinda knows something about science and he knows the “woo-woo” too… as many other scientific experiencers do… science and spirituality are not mutually exclusive!!!!!
Even the top scientific UFO researchers know.
Of course they can be explained. The human mind is great at making stuff up. Dreams, novels, movies, music etc.
@@dwhite6213 Not sure how a blind person being able to see verifiable events that took place outside their hospital room (e.g. in the hospital cafeteria) could be explained by the imagination. Or someone meeting a dead relative in the afterlife they never knew existed but could verify there existence after coming back.
I agree , after studying NDEs, they are not all hallucinating because a lot of people are dead relatives and have conversations with them, how can you hallucinate that?
I came down with pneumonia as a newborn. I was hospitalized and my mother was told that they didn’t think I would survive. I’m told that my mother was despondent and couldn’t communicate with anyone. That is until a beautiful, black, female nurse came into the room. She told my mother that I was going to be just fine and that I had some sort of purpose in this world. After I recovered my mother went back to the hospital to thank this woman. She was told that there was no black, female nurse in the ward. She was told that they had heard stories of her from other guests of their floor. I grew up believing that I had a beautiful, black female guardian angel. But now that I’m older and reconsidered it, it seems that she was there for all the babies in that ward, not just me. In any event, the idea of it has given me comfort over the years.
I’ve had too many phenomenal experiences to say that I don’t believe in things that can’t be explained by science. I find it amusing to hear “science” minded people tell me that they’re non-believers because they have a scientific mind, as if everyone else is a bunch of idiots. lol! A bit arrogant to think we’re even close to having the answers here.
I've listened to him tell this story a couple of times, and I have also had similar NDE and also fifteen years later my eldest son transitioned to the spirit world, and it blows me away that he could hold both the knowledge of this amazing experience and the belief that there is no God, no miracles, nothing bigger than us. Seems like that takes an enormous amount of denial,. This cognitive dissonance could have something to do with why he feels depressed rather than at peace when he thinks of it.
This was exactly my thought when I heard this interview. First, his insistence that he is still an atheist even though by the end of the interview it is clear that by most definitions he is an agnostic shows how strongly he tries to hold his position that there is no God. Secondly, the mental conflict he was dealing with that required psychiatric help seems to stem from his inability to reconcile his NDE with his world view.
Somehow believing in arbitrary fiction is the choice that involves less cognitive dissonance? Because the brain hallucinated some near death experience? Like your whole reality is your brain hallucinating your surroundings into existence nothing about near death experience compels belief in what we have absolutely no capacity to fathom
Oh and not just is the brain obviously in crisis in those moments, it is often also drugged up to oblivion. It's really not some proof of something else that the brain can hallucinate things especially in critical moments, it does that all the time and people literally see contradictory realities
As any other paradigm in the past shows, we need to be open humble about our current paradigms. The paradox of current quantum theories is it exposes what we do not know.
Also fascinating that he says “oh my God” & “thank God” over the course of the interview. I think he is either in denial or suffering from
Severe cognitive dissonance on the existence of God the Father.
I had a near death experience during caesarean section under a general age 17…
The anaesthetic didn’t work, my body was only paralysed, I could feel everything.. it felt like being cut open with a blow torch… I couldn’t speak or move …
I ‘left my body’ when the pain become unbearable I went into a place of complete LOVE
I felt back then that I’d experienced things that we shouldn’t see or know, it was so difficult to function afterwards…
I lived like I wasn’t really alive, like I was a ghost..
I couldn’t speak about it.. for a long time
As a result my life since has been a journey of questioning reality…
What is Life, Who Am I, What Am I, What is Death..
What is LOVE
Beautifully expressed❤
Thank you🫠
Wow.... ❤
I care about people but I could not talk about love I couldn't express love enough
@@Freedom-2BME have you looked for support via IANDS?
What Sebastian is reporting there is quite common, although not often discussed. It's certainly in the bracket of an NDE but it's also like a crisis apparition. I knew someone who was having a massive heart attack (the beginnings of) whilst driving. His dead mother appeared next to him (yes really) and told him to drive to the hospital immediately. He didn't know where the (a) hospital was but she guided him down roads he'd never been on before and got him to one. He climbed out of his lorry and walked through the hospital doors and fell stone dead on the floor. They were able to restart his heart and despite being in a coma for two weeks he recovered. This guy was not religious or a believer at all, but he was adamant his mother was really there. Materialist sceptics will confidently inform you with certainty that....this can't happen ! It happened and it continues to happen.
It Is true indeed!!
I died twice by poisoning in 97 and 2006. Saw my body from above, felt a strong pull of void too.
I wore spectacles ( -2.5) since I was 15 yrs old but my eyesight was fully cured in 2011.
My Kuldilini awakened in 1994 by meditation. A couple of eye specialists have examined my eyes since and have found no evidence of my past myopia . Miracles HAPPEN !!!
@@arundogra6912wait, what do your NDE’s have anything to do with your myopia being completely cured? I mean, it’s awesome because I have myopia and really hate it, but why would being near death made your eyesight perfect?
Dear, I had been meditatinday regularly ,Dear, I had been meditatinday regularly , in 1994, my Kundalini was awakened.i had many disturbances in my life, anger, rage, weeping, uncontrolled laughter and much more.My first NDE , POISONED by family , was declared dead by doctors but woke up in 3hrs while my funeral was being prepared in 1997 and 2nd in 2005, again poisoned, dead for 3days as ilived alone with son in the hostel, who ultimately climbed thr window to wake me up.
cli@CrystallyLavender y@@RoyalPurpleStar
They will learn, . . . eventually.😊
@@RoyalPurpleStar not uncommon for healing to occur after an NDE.
It’s like the knowledge is only accessible from a state beyond our physical existence, and once you return, it’s beyond our capacity to fully grasp or remember. It’s a profound realization that certain truths might only be understood in a different state of being.
Exactly!!!
Not always true.
Anyone who enjoyed this discussion and would like to get another doctor’s perspective on their near death experience, I would highly recommend you check out Dr. Mary Neal’s story. She has an amazing story that has forever changed my view regarding the afterlife. I would love it if Peter Attia interviewed her as well. It would certainly add valuable insight to this discussion.
@@lucianoveronicablaudt2214 dr eben Alexander’s story is wonderful. He’s a neurosurgeon who survived and thrived after a deep coma from having ecoli eating away his brain
@@lucianoveronicablaudt2214 Also check out Dr Tony Cicoria, orthopedic surgeon who had an NDE after being struck by lightning. He then became a musician so that he could reproduce the amazing music he heard during his NDE.
The best thing is to search in your own families... and discover usually some amazing testimonies of NDEs or deathbed visions ...
Yes! And Dr Jeff O’Driscoll
I agree, Dr Mary for the next guest please ✋
When Mellon Thomas Benedict, A lifelong atheist, asked the LIGHT during his NDE, "Are you God?" It responded, "Who and what is NOT God?" That sums it up for me. Get out of your head. Get into your heart.💖
In huge agreement with you. Mellon Thomas near death profound, has given me hope for over twenty five year's as well as the thousands of near death books and podcasts I've watched. I feel sad for this guy, my brother is exactly the same. He needs to read every single one of Raymond Moodys books.
God is a human invention. Not only is there ZERO evidence of God but everything we know about the natural world proves God and an afterlife doesn't exist. Google and do your research.
Just because we don’t understand or have the correct concept of God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. We use the word God because we are limited by vocabulary and what we can comprehend based on what we can perceive.
This is quite often what discussions come down to and you realize that even atheists or religious people can have very similar beliefs. If you water down the definition of 'god' so much to just mean mysterious, unknown nature of consciousness/universe, then most atheists incl myself would agree.
@@MarkusWaasthe mystery starts at home. What is the source of human Consciousness?
If not Materialistic, then Personality survival is contingent on succeeding beyond the mortal biological vehicle.
@@steveflorida5849 Check out the 'hard problem of consciousness', personally I fall mostly into the 'hard-wired view' of Type-B materialism.
Exactly.
Yeah atheism is just as ignorant as blind religiosity. They still have to explain where/why ideas/experiences are experienced. How did this mind saying that there is no god come to imagine such things as god/no god? If dumb atoms/ethereal fields create “imagination and experience” then the even a rock could be considered to have an experience of being. Explain that. Maybe it’s a spectrum. Like rocks are made of what makes us conscious, but rocks are just so unconscious that they’re pretty much considered to be so. Like how black turns into white. Athiesm lacks introspection that has no bias. Athiesm may admit that it critical thinks, yet it critical thinks with a heavy bias.
Sebastian, I’m a Ukrainian 🇺🇦 in my 30s living in Kyiv. My husband is defending Ukraine from russia's bloodthirsty desire to eliminate my nation. russia has already killed someone in my family and burned down a house belonging to close relatives. With these experiences, I am an average Ukrainian. Your survival and now your coverage of russia’s war in Ukraine is work that changes the lives of millions. Each war journalist who refuses to let russia commit war crimes against Ukrainians in silence-as has happened with russia many times before-and who advocates for military aid to help us defend our freedom and our right to live in a democratic European country, is a hero to me and millions of Ukrainians. Thank you! It matters! For evil to triumph, all it takes is for good people to stand aside. You are a good person who is fighting alongside us.
I’m an avid follower of the knowledge Peter Attia shares, and I’m really grateful to you and him for this inspiring talk. I’ve added your book to my reading list 🙏
Bandera even in Peter Attias podcast oh my God..
Most riveting conversation. Dr Attia's knowledge and the ability to hone in on some of the specifics kept me engaged. Thank you both for the fascinating story.
There are much better ones out there. Check out Suzanne Giesemann, Bernardo Kastrup and IANDS for more detailed and unbiased discussions on consciousness.
Death does not need to be scary, there's nothing to fear. Many thanks to you both for sharing this amazing story in conversation.
@kwilj have you been dead?
Did you listen to his account? He said it was horrifying. In other words, definitely something to fear.
I'm a clinical scientist but also a Christian. It blows my mind to see situations like this where materialists are presented with events that completely blow up the reductionalist frame and yet do everything they can to explain it away in terms of quantum mechanics, physicalism, biologic pathways, etc instead of just accepting it as an experienced event. It is especially pronounced in Junger's case who consistently cites his physicist father as a source of "rationalism and empiricism". So many of the best physicists (Schrodinger, Heisenberg, Eddington, etc.) were deeply metaphysical people who saw their engagement with physics as a means of reaching for the deep intelligibility of the universe; deriving the patterns of reality from physical substance. I'll pray that this experience makes Junger really dig into metaphysics and more precisely the Church Fathers who truly saw the divinity of consciousness.
Just because something is experienced doesn’t make it true. I dream wildly at night with intense experiences, but none of them actually happened for real. There is a key difference between real events and experiences. One can be scientifically and empirically validated while the other simply cannot. Revelation is not and cannot be in any sense scientific.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman I agree with you but at some point you do acknowledge the reality of experience. What is the heuristic by which you make that conclusion?
@@brianj7281 Experience is just experience. That is one of the poorest forms of evidence, even in court. Hence why we device experiments where we have a control with instrumentation and measurements so that if true it can be replicated. Again, just because it is experienced does not make it true at all. And your own “personal truth” means nothing when trying to think scientifically.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman You completely ignored my question. And "ackkkthually" they do care about experience in court which is why they interview witnesses and ask people to identify suspects. Explain your heuristics.
@@brianj7281 Eyewitness testimony is STILL the poorest form of evidence in court, genius. You can have countless people claim to have seen Bigfoot and swear by it, but that all means absolutely nothing if you can’t produce a shred of physical evidence. Same goes for your metaphysical claims.
My ex , who passed away from kidney cancer, was a high energy particles physicist and he basically said the same thing about dying...my hope it that my energy meets his in the future.
I can't remember another conversation or experience I've heard that was more confirming for me that there is indeed a God, a God worthy of our pursuit and awe. Thank you for sharing! ❤
Junger actually uses a different Einstein quote in his book: "Matter is spirit reduced to the point of visibility-there is no matter." The book is revelatory, not just for his personal insight and struggle for a rationalist, but for the stunning acuity of his writing. I've read it, heard him talk about this experience on several podcasts and I still can't get enough of his story. Definitely recommend the book...and it's barely more than 100 pages.
I had a very similar near death experience thanks to West Nile in my late 20s. After weeks in a coma, months in rehab and recovery, I recovered. I simply refused to harp on what occurred or why I survived. Maybe it was all the loss I’d had in my life, or the fact that I got pregnant within months, but I just didn’t spend much time on what happened until now, years later, I look back and wonder how/why. Enough time has passed where it almost doesnt seem real and it’s just another chapter in my story.
I experienced an NDE but I actually died in the hospital. My entire life was rebooted. And btw, I saw and heard everything that went on as they tried to revive me and yes, I saw my family standing at the foot of the bed and I never knew I was gone. It was actually a very pleasant feeling had no terror just utter total surrender with a huge sigh.
What a great conversation ! You both are so unbelievably intelligent. It was challenging and yet pleasurable to listen to you. Thankyou !
Thank you for your transparency. I pray that God visits you and you get your answers.
I had a near death experience in my thirties and went through the depression you explained so what you experienced is real. I even felt guilty of surviving and had to come to terms of whether I should cross the center line against oncoming cars. I got through that season.
I thought when I took out a telephone pole in 2022, that would be my last day on earth. The depression I experienced in my thirties didn’t come to be. In fact, I believed God saw to it I was spared. Can’t explain it, it just was. I do believe in a God so I think in my thirties, I was where you are and now in my sixties, I have a different vantage point.
I’m not a quantum expert so maybe I’m an example of God using the foolish to confound the wise.
This was SO good! Really enjoyed it while on a run this evening.
Absolutely gripping, enthralling, horrific yet comforting episode, thank u gentlemen.
How was his horrific experience comforting exactly?
@@Ragnar-Lothbrok967 haha yea a lot of diff emotions brewed up, comfort in the sense of relief, contribution, maybe a sense of peace…all diff viewpoints on the sense of ‘after’ if one should let themselves imagine?
I look forward to this. I had the opportunity to hear Sebastian in 2013 at the True/False Film Festival in Columbia,MO. I watched Restrepo-intense. That documentary better prepared me to teach and learn from my military students. Thank you tor having him on The Drive.
That description of entanglement particles is sublime.
This is the best podcast by Peter Attia. Ever since my mum and aunty passed, Ive been hungry to search about this topic, but this is probably the most solid and legitimate encounter.
Nope. There are much better ones out there. Check out Suzanne Giesemann, Bernardo Kastrup and IANDS for more detailed and unbiased discussions on consciousness.
I also follow IANDs. I'll also check out these other ones. What I like about this interview is that he is straight up and atheist giving a very interesting perspective to NDEs and the afterlife.
@@karimeifooHis brush with the afterlife wasn't very comforting. He found it horrifying.
This is a great interview and probably one of the best I’ve ever heard involving an NDE.
I've been a fan since Restrepo. Happy we still get to hear this man's voice.
A subject I’ve been interested in since a child. Great listen. Thank you.
@peterattia you are one of the smartest guys I know "online" for now but this interview is amazing and so deep
If you're squeamish about extended-duration blood/artery talk (as I've always been since middle school health class), do yourself a favor and skip to the ~40 minute mark, but the rest of the discussion is fantastic!
One of the best so far.
Thank you for allowing me to listen to this conversation. Listen. Let it sink in and give new perspectives. It nurtured many good reflections. "Slightly" greater existential weight than the choice of dietary supplements and the question of creatine or not creatine.
Sebastian has a misunderstanding of the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser. I will try to clear up his misconceptions.
In the experiment, photons are split into pairs of entangled particles. One of these photons is the signal photon, which passes through the slits, and the other is the idler photon, which is sent toward detectors (D1, D2, D3, or D4). The act of splitting the photons is what creates the entanglement between them. This entanglement means the behavior of the signal photon is linked to the behavior of its corresponding idler photon. Neither the signal photon nor the idler photon produces an interference pattern on their own. When the signal photon hits the screen after passing through the slits, it behaves like a particle, not a wave. Similarly, the idler photon, when detected at D1, D2, D3, or D4, does not show any interference pattern either.
Here’s the key: the illusion of an interference pattern comes from the way the data is analyzed. By selectively looking at certain subsets of the signal photons (based on where the idler photon is detected at D3 or D4), we can reconstruct an interference pattern because when you only look at the subset of signal photons it looks like an interference pattern has appeared. However, this interference pattern is not truly there in the raw data. When you take the full dataset from all detectors (D1, D2, D3, and D4)-that is, when you include all signal photons, not just the ones correlated with D3 and D4-there is no interference pattern. The overall data shows the photons behaving like particles, not waves. What’s really happening is that selectively filtering the data creates the illusion of wave-like behavior. The so-called interference pattern only arises when we selectively choose data based on certain criteria (like which detector the idler photon went to), but it’s not a genuine interference pattern in the classical sense.
The split photons (signal and idler) do not individually create an interference pattern.The interference pattern only seems to appear when we selectively analyze data based on detector choices, but it’s an artifact of data filtering-not a real wave pattern. When we combine all the data from all detectors, there is no interference pattern, just particle behavior. This experiment is a powerful demonstration of how information and measurement choices affect quantum systems, but it doesn’t show that photons inherently behave like waves in this setup.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing these experiences with us.
A statement that helps me separate these tree's of logic is "science attempts to explain what "is" and religion attempts to explain what "ought to be". The two probably shouldn't be crossed. I do find the conversation and the attempt at understanding riveting and intellectually stimulating. A hyper-simplistic analog... When presented with a cake, a scientist could tell you every ingredient and process required to bake such a cake but no scientific principle could be applied to tell you "why" the cake was baked. Is verse Ought. Thank you Dr. Attia for such engaging content.
Except religion hardly limits its claims to what ought to be. Religions very much make ontological statements about reality: God, the afterlife, karma, etc. It’s definitely not just about matters of value.
Sometime around a third through this video(not sure) this lovely man ( I sincerely mean this) says “thank God”. Such an interesting video. Thank you.
Amazing topic, guest and of course Dr. Attia✨🥰
Richard Feynman, winner of a Nobel Prize for his contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics, once said "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you don't understand quantum mechanics."
Excellent interview! Fascinating! Thanks!
As an atheist, he feels himself pulled into an eternal black hole upon death and sees his dead dad at the same time. He acknowledges the consistency of NDEs in theme over the course of the millennia in spite of different worldviews and cultures and makes the statement that this was nothing like a hallucination (explaining away the biggest secular argument against NDEs). The nurse was not able to be found yet spoke EXACTLY what he needed to hear at that time. All of these statements/experiences require an explanation. What would be the most rational conclusion for Sebastian? Is it that they’re random or that there is something more to them as his soul screams at him about them?
The Father always loves his children, is patient with their petulance and seeks their return to him. That's why he gives them opportunities to come home. It's only their stubborness that keeps them apart. Seek him with your heart and he will answer. His Grace and Mercy abounds. Don't be counted among the dead, but seek the living. Your eternal soul is at stake.!
Thank you for bringing up this topic to your podcast, Peter. Hello from Brazil.
Thank you for this extraordinary exploration.
I find this man to be a hardline cynic. It’s unbelievable to me that you could see this life as meaningless if an afterlife exists.
Where did he say life was meaningless?
Exactly.
I had a very similar experience with a brain aneurysm almost two years ago but it's interesting how positive my almost dying experience was ... Between the beautiful gardens and universe I got to visit and the deceased people and "angels/guides" I was with. It all turned out to be an amazing almost death experience for me 😅. So it's interesting to hear his experience of the almost death being really negative.
Holy cow! His father was leading him to join him in that pit. God help him. I hope he choses the light in the darkness.
He equates faith with foolishness. Having faith doesn’t mean you have special luck.
The Bible actually states, “In this world
you will have trouble but take heart I have overcome the world” John 16:33
Look at the apostles. They all died a horrific death
but they will live in the light forever.
Death is in the mind to use time and enjoy life. The Roman used to put human skeletons in their parties to remind them to be in the balance and remind them of death.
Great conversation! Thank you! ☺️
KUDOS !! to both of you for areal authentic account of NDE.
After lisening to over 100 NDE accounts on U- tube, this one is closest to reality.
I am 67 and was declared dead by poisoning for 3 hrs at 40 and then for 3 days ( lived alone) at 46 again thr.poisoning. Saw myself from above and felt the strong pull of black void (both times).
I am from a spiritual upbringing and have my KUNDILINI awakened when I was 36.
I fully endorse this excellent talk , and wish them well !
This is quite interesting. Both did a good job trying to explain complicated subject matter to someone as myself who is well under their intelligence level, lol. I may read his book to take in his story again. And I'll be sure to pray for his doubts to giveaway to the realization of our eternal afterlife & the truth of God's mercy. 😊
Thank you for sharing your experience
I’ve heard others say that the reason why some live and some die in situations like his is because he had a purpose to fulfill. He was not done here yet. Those who went before him seemingly by random, they had fulfilled their purposes and it was their time. That is what I’m hearing other people who actually did go down the rabbit hole and then came back.
If you read the book, he actually seems to be open to there being some sort of afterlife. He explores the possibilities of the hereafter based upon research of NDEs. His father was a hardcore rationalist, empiricist, physicist atheist. Whom he loved and looked up to.
Not a very pleasant afterlife, if we go by how terrified he was. He had zero desire to follow his dead father into the black pit, which he perceived to be nothingness or oblivion. It seems he feared he was going to be annihilated. He experienced no feelings of peace or comfort from any being in his NDE. Negative NDEs like this one are a big problem and are mostly ignored because they go against the more desired narrative. As long as they exist and run counter to the message of unconditional love and such from more positive NDEs, it makes the reality of all of them suspect, unfortunately.
The Ghost Hunters by Debra Blum is a great book on the history of life after death. The ghost Hunters are some of the best scientists of the 1800s
Thank you ❤😊
Got tired of the incredible arrogance. No evidence of God? Look around, man. Miracles abound! I pray (gasp!) your eyes get opened. If we could figure out God he wouldn’t be God.
Why so you think miracles has anything to do with God ? By making these statements you lost your humility
In listening to this podcast I saw the mercy and kindness of God all over it. It saddens me that two very smart men said there is no proof of God. The Bible says, “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18. The following parable reminded me of a life without Christ. A young man mockingly said to a preacher, “You say that unsaved people carry a great weight of sin. Frankly, I feel nothing. How heavy is sin? Ten pound? Fifty pounds? Eighty pounds? A hundred pounds ?” The preacher thought for a moment and gently replied, “If you laid a four hundred-pound weight on a corpse, would it feel the load?” The young man was quick to say, “Of course not; it’s dead.” The preacher replied, “The person who doesn’t know Christ is equally dead. And though the load is great, he feels none of it.” The Good News is that our Lord Jesus is patient and merciful. All who call on Him will be saved. Please consider asking God to give you the eyes to see Him, the ears to hear Him and the heart to love like Him.He will reveal himself to you and He will answer in a way that you will understand. He gives peace during troubled times and makes all things new. 💕🙏💕
I have been appreciating Sebastian's work for a while - I'm not sure if it's the setting or shirt or what but Sebastian is looking unwell. That's why I clicked here, I had no idea he had an aneurism. Does anyone know if he is presently ill? What an ordeal he endured.
What? He had a stroke...
As well as an aneurysm ?
I'm about 3/4 way thru this interview...nothing mentioned, yet, about a stroke😮
@@barbarafairbanks4578 that’s what I meant! Sorry! I fixed my comment. No stroke!!
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Ah, I see!
Thanks for responding 😊
Excellent episode.
Loved this conversation. I've heard Junger speak about quantum mechanics on a few podcasts. It's interesting that his research didn't take him beyond the Copenhagen interpretation. Feel like his perspective would be augmented if he read about Hugh Everett
It’s revealing that such a strongly committed atheist intellectual experiences a terrifying dark tunnel hole that wants to pull him downward into darkness and then sees his atheist father and knows he doesn’t want to go where his father is - there’s no experience of light, no peace, no love…..only the terrifying.
But there have been other atheist NDEs where they become humbled and open and experience the pull upwards to the light, the love, the bliss, and even God .
Yes, negative NDEs like this are definitely problematic. It goes against the messages of positive ones, and in doing so puts the legitimacy of all NDEs in question.
Understanding this human life can’t be done, and I think the reason it can’t be done is because it wasn’t meant to put in a box and put on display for all to see. In the same way that a flame can’t burn itself, and air can’t breath itself, we, as humans can’t see God for the same reason. But we can experience many different feelings and emotions that lend themselves to a better understanding of complex concepts. If you understand what was meant by the expression, “…it is better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all.” - then you have succeeded in the purpose and meaning of this human life. You have love inside of you but no team of surgeons or scientists or philosophers or religious figures can dig into the human body and find this love that we have inside of us and put it inside of a box. The NDE experience shows us that, “….it is better to have lived (in a human body) and lost (died) then to have never lived a human life at all.” Our human body is the “box” and our soul and spirit and essence is the love. We are the love and we are the way that God was able to put love inside of a box !!! And when we are taken out of our “boxes” then we will return to the One that put us inside the box in the first place. And I’d be very much amiss if I took any credit for this information or for anything for that matter, because I know, and see, and ‘feel’ that it was all given to me. It was all a gift. All of it. The good, the bad, the ugly, and even the unimaginable. So what does a person do who was given everything, including the whole of the infinite universe? That person only wants to give it all away - to everyone - because in doing so, that person knows that they are just giving right back to themselves. Death is a human word, a term to explain an earthly concept or condition - but death from a spiritual concept does not have any meaning. It’s like leaving a movie theater and going home to be with your loving family and enjoying the thought of going to another movie next weekend. You can lie to everyone but you cannot lie to yourself or to God. So if you tell people you didn’t cry when you saw the movie, “Brian’s Song”, then please tell us,….exactly WHO do you think you are lying to? See you all in the lobby of the theater. I’ll be out here with a Kleenex to give to you to wipe away the tears in your eyes.
One crucial question was not asked!! Is Mr Junger any less scared of dying since having this experience ???
Amazing! He’s still an atheist after having such a profound experience!
It’s interesting how they glossed over the fact that the beloved physicist they talked about 1:47:02 1:47:02 began a relationship at the age of 40 with a 16-year-old which he tutored. Are they that naïve to believe that this man was not having a physical relationship with a 16-year-old?! Basically this revered physicist was a pedophile! I’m just saying that neither one of them commented on the inappropriateness of this relationship, and Sebastian was very naïve to state that they waited to be romantically involved until she was 18 years of age. I know this man is not that naïve.
Follow up to my comment about the pedophile physicist, despite my previous comments I did enjoy this discussion and I’m certainly not criticizing this man for remaining an atheist. I’m just surprised. Religion has so mangled the image of God, I totally understand why he might be reluctant to believe in a higher power that we refer to as God.
There absolutely is life after death.
There is absolutely an invisible unicorn living in your attic. Grow up.
I'm not talking about something I believe or feel; I'm talking about something that I know, just like I know that there is life on earth.
@@tolgauzmanoglu You “know” it like a child knows that Santa Clause is real.
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"Look, man, you can joke all you want, but just because you can't see something doesn't mean it ain't real. You didn’t see life coming before you were born, right? Same deal after. So, believe what you want, but don't act like you're dropping truth just 'cause you're loud about it. Some things go deeper than your jokes, but I don't need to prove anything to you."
@@tolgauzmanoglu Blah blah blah. Believe in magic like a child if you want. See how far wish thinking gets you in the 21st Century.
He admits that he chooses not to believe in God because he does not like the way he believes God operates with his own creation. That is like not believing in death because he doesn't like that it exists.
Death is observable and certain
he gave quite a few more reasons, at the end of the day it really comes down to the fact that the answer god poses just even more questions then it tries to answer and is completely made up without evidence
@@MarkusWaascompletely made up, without evidence, yet this man (an “atheist”) claims to have been there and seen it with his own eyes along with millions of of other people. Just because you don’t find it convincing, doesn’t mean there isn’t evidence. You, like Sebastian, are not being rational about the evidence presented.
@@Re3iRtHhe literally observed the afterlife? By the standard you just put forth, hell is also certain.
@@MarkusWaasthere is lots of evidence for God. People just choose to ignore it- like in this interview
If your father was an atheist, and you saw him at the same time, this black hole appeared, you can correlate it with the fact that the black hole was the entrance to hell and the entity that looked like your father was there to take you to hell
During his NDE he saw his dead atheist father who was in the dark abyss-perhaps a place without light, without God. The angel nurse suggests that he sees the experience as sacred. My thinking is that the angel nurse was suggesting that he was offered another opportunity to live and to find God. Do deny God leads to the dark abyss. His return to life was filled w despair, panic and depression-and why not-whether he dies at 58 or 98 if thats what awaits him-ugh! To love and trust in God leads to a place of peace and love. We cant always know the why-just trust, love God and leave the rest to Him.
It is stress to listen as it remind me of all my patient s with internal bleeding like ruptured uterus, ruptured splenic arteries after normal delivery, bleeding from right ovarian artery after Caesarian section in grandmultipara. I think if it is me I drive him and ldt ambulance to follow . This what a young GP did asked parent to start driving to meet them with the ambulance half way to gain time .lance
He still doesnt understand that whoever the nurse was that told him to think about the experience as something sacred… was probably not of this realm
Oh those COVID restrictions. We lost our mom without saying goodbye( she died of COVID ) on ventilator- they even said from OUTSIDE the hospital we could
FaceTime goodbye ( ugh) and then their wiifii went out ! So never saw her alive again , standing outside hospital all
Day couldn’t go in. So many have this story. And to top it off we were first responders fully vaccd!! So back then we were told we “couldn’t spread “ it and we were all neg.
I’m sorry for your loss and those circumstances. I can’t imagine.
❤Yup can’t get enough of NDEs they r so fascinating. Love them. Surprised you haven’t interviewed any of the NDE researchers such as Bruce Grayson, the psychiatrist who wrote “After.”
Men tend to be so convinced that whatever they’re thinking is the CORRECT thought instead of questioning one’s thoughts for validity
Thank you for a mesmerizing video. one thing might change his mind is that there is no time in the afterlife. so its not forever
Fascinating discussion. I wish Peter asked Sebastian what counts as proof for God?
Both bump up against what classic metaphysics and theology mean by God when they speak of the miracle of our existence the improbability of our universe existing and an infinite consciousness making all things possible.
Sebastian admits having the tendency to narrowly focus on one thing to the exclusion of much else which is left brain thinking according to I McGilchrist.
If they understand God to mean existence itself which needs no one to create it- the source of truth meaning beauty Peter’s mistaken assumption much of their problems with God would fall away.
Then all the proof you need is the existence of anything and everything.
If you wanna understand consciousness, a little bit, you need to look into Suzanne Giessman. She really can help you out with that
we don't mean anything: both terrifying and liberating at the same time
We are afraid of unknowns. Death is the greatest unknown. He was afraid to follow his father because he knew he was dead and he knew what he was seeing made no sense w regards to the relational, physical, scientific society/ world we live in. It has a theme of all the other nde’s though- seeing someone that’s dead who tries to comfort u. I’m a pretty hardcore rationalist myself but I had an nde where I died on my couch and what I saw flipped my world upside down and stays w me. I’m def biased in my beliefs of after life n such.
Odd a profound experience like this did not move his needle towards agnostic at least, as opposed to atheist.
@normandy3050
Really? ...
That's your take?
Either you missed something in this interview, or I've imagined something that was never said?
@@barbarafairbanks4578 Yes, my take on it. Not judging, it just seems counter to what other people come away with after this type of event. Regardless, I wish him well on whatever perspective he walks away with. I wish the same for you.
The real question is did he have the MAL cut or the stent they put in will be crushed by the compression. Does anyone know ? I have the exact same thing and it’s quite the juggling act in what to do BEFORE you get to his point in the process.
The most amazing part of this story is that he had medical personnel that cared about him enough to diagnose and treat him. My daughter who had Down syndrome was hospitalized numerous times, was never diagnosed, never treated and we had to beg to be taken seriously, l am a year and a half into my grief journey. Her autopsy diagnosed her with hydrocephalus. I miss her so much. She was a wonderful person, deserving of every consideration as anyone else.
Should check out any of them youtube interviews with Donald Hoffman concerning the newest ideas about whether classical physics, or even quantum physics really expresses the nature of physical reality. It would cast the last portion of the interview in an entirely different light.
Restrepo was such a powerful documentary.
God was not in the valley.
"I started thinking that God hates me," said Army Sgt. Brendan O'Byrne, who has a shaved head and a reddish beard and sits in a dark room recounting his ordeal and finding little solace. "I'm not religious or anything, but I felt like there was this hate for me 'cause I did sins.... That's the terrible thing of war. You do terrible things and you have to live with them afterwards but you'd do them the same way if you had to go back. So what do you do? It's an evil, evil, evil thing inside your body. It's like … good versus evil inside there."
RESTREPO
Jesus died for that evil inside of you. That’s not hate, that’s love
On the agnostic argument: I am an agnostic because I accept the truth that my critical thinking is done with a brain and that the brain does not have the capability to fully understand reality due to combinatorial explosion (too many factors interacting). Also, the principle of information irreversibility suggests we couldn't know the beginning state of the universe even if we had infinite compute. Therefore, I concluded that the only real 'truth' that a human can know is that they can't know. I understand the Kierkegaard style notion of taking a leap of faith as being our only option, and I see claiming there is a 'God' and claiming there is no 'God' both as massive leaps of faith. One problem is that the word of God means many things to humans, but I look at it from a reductive point of view; that it's a word applied to the sense that most if not all humans have of a great mystery and force that is the base of existence. It may not be that there's no evidence of 'God' but that we wouldn't even understand how to look for God, where to look, or what we're looking at, or maybe that the simple truth is that it's in front of us all the time as existence itself being instead of not being. Either way, I think of 'God' in the terms of what is the source of being, which seems to be the real magic to me. I say magic, because as humans we think of everything as singular objects that either exist or not but we all know the old philosophical problem of, 'okay, but where did the big bang come from? Where did anything come from?' So the origin of existence itself is truly outside of 'reason'. Agnosticism is the only label I've found that allows a peace with the fact that there is a great mystery that I cannot fully understand with reason, and that I'm happy just being a human now while watching it all go on. I don't mean to misattribute materialism to atheism, but I still think outright denying 'God' literally is a misunderstanding of the 'feeling' of there being a 'divine' force underlying the universe that humans call 'God'. Why not spirituality? Well, once again spirituality comes with human imagination as to spirits all around us and/or what an afterlife would look like. Maybe there is an afterlife, but I doubt it would be like what we are capable of imagining. Anyway, long rant. Kinda just wanted to practice explaining my reasoning behind my decision to go by 'agnostic'.
It's sad to me that Mr Junger has been given not one but two ND experiences to see what are clearly miracles in his life. I pray that he will research faith as thoroughly as he has NDEs and accept God. It's truly transformative and brings peace that passes understanding. 🙏
What about the children who are dying from cancer and other childhood illnesses, did God give them a miracle or something else
Interesting, blessings are by definition shed blood. That’s the Gospel.
Some people will have faith and some will not.
“My sheep hear my voice.. they follow me.”
@jodihoyle2297
Maybe you should 'feel sad' for your own limited perspectives on life/death and the experiences of what others 'should feel'...according to you😊
He is good with how he came to terms with death. Your ideas bring you peace. His ideas bring him peace. Don’t be sad for him, be sad for yourself, as I am, that you listened to him & that’s all you came away with. 😢 Closed-mindedness is the lowest human vibration of all.
We are all here through incredible amounts of luck.
It is exhausting to me how hard Sebastian works to remove God from his experience. He is so in his head and invalidates the feelings of his heart.
And he never found the guardian angel so casually dismissed it. He is thickheaded
Was coming here to post exactly that! If him surviving his aneurysm didn't show him God, I don't know what would. No need to deny it so hard
Best show yet
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Great talk!
Wow affects you considerably..he's aged tremendously. Glad he's alive.
You should read The Spirit's Book by the french professor and scientist Allan Kardec, Paris 1857
He stated that he doesn’t like the Christian concept of the afterlife or the idea that consciousness would continue forever but that he can wrap his mind around, and is comfortable with, the idea of a sort of collective subconsciousness that persists. My question for him is, “since when does what we feel or want determine what’s actually true?” I wish I could be an NFL quarterback and think that would be cool but I’m not…
It’s ironic to me that he says that an afterlife strips the meaning and dignity out of life yet holds onto a position that posits we are a random assortment of molecules spinning on a rock into nothingness.
-Talking about his dream: l felt regret because “I didn’t take life seriously.” “There was no going back.” “I had squandered this great treasure of life.” “I woke up and immediately thought, thank GOD I’m not dead. Thank GOD that I’m here.”
-Talking about entangled particles: “If you understand them, I sure didn’t, but take it on FAITH from the physicists.”
-On semantics of the afterlife: “I prefer to use the phrase post-death because afterlife is too imbued with a visual of us in a hammock with a drink and too pleasant.” Essentially, “I don’t like this phrase that describes my experience because it too closely aligns with a worldview I’ve already pre-determined I don’t believe in prior to looking at the evidence objectively.”
-On life’s meaning: “wow you really maximized it GOD, if you’re out there, putting us in a position to maximize the meaningfulness of life.”
So after listen 3quarters in, this would explain why prayers work and change things. The course of energetic parts when observed change their course when we make an emotional or sensual observation in our current state. So as soon as we do not like or like something we are observing and then we can go back in time, pose a wish or question and create a set of words around it ( prayer or wish) and vola, all we have to do now is wait for it to materialise. You have just affirmed why everyone is so confused, this is brilliant.
Jesus apparently did say may it be done onto you as you believe it.
Wow. This has to be the best thing on TH-cam.
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Great interview and a great book. So interesting to hear Peter's thoughts as an overlay to Sebastian's experience.
She’s in evidential medium Her moms is Suzanne Giessman