yes brother and it's fucking frustrating. And sportsmanship rating keeps dropping to hell. Also if I may add, there were some nice experiences with some really fair drivers, but most of the time someone push me out, gets 1 sec while I lost 8 or 10 sec. Stupid fucking system
That actually came from sport refereeing where retaliation is seen as worse than the initial assault or foul. Schools took it up because teachers are basically dumb.
@@SvenTviking Retaliation is stupid in real life as well as in games. Revenge is a dish best served cold, with a subpoena and the support of local law enforcement. Not in the heat of the moment. Remember: Bullies (griefeers etc) want you to fight them because they can beat you in a brawl, but if you send them two uniformed people with batons, they are not so tough anymore. As for racing: One second is too little in the game it seems, it should be a drivetrhough of the pit lane or something else that costs you 10-30 seconds, not a single second slowdown where you are a brick in the road.
@@57thorns "Remember: Bullies (griefeers etc) want you to fight them because they can beat you in a brawl" Stop trying to sound like an expert because you ain't one. Bullies thrive on you being a betasoy so fucking them up is the only way to stop.
@@nilau3295 Of course, I pick the time to fight them back when I know I can hurt them,. that was the whole point. But in an online game, it is easier to not give them the satisfaction of a fight at all.
HECKproductions then it will make people actually try and take the game more serious, I’m sure it will get old for someone who can only do damage for one second and that’s about it for them
I think the lyrics go... "Move B!@#$, get out the way Get out the way B!@#$ , get out the way Move B!@#$, get out the way Get out the way B!@#$, get out the way"
It doesn't really matter about the design, the Megane itself is a poor design choice, and just a terrible, ugly little car that only a Frenchman would drive.
yeah, apparently most racing game players are like this. i was too up until 2 weeks ago. heck, not even just for racing games, i play EVERYTHING offline on my own.
Which is the reason devs should work, ideally together, on a system that really penalizes that sort of play. What we got so far works but we need it more fine tuned.
- Get pushed wide from someone miles behind. - Lose SR because you were racing on the line and because .. reasons. - Get even worse races. - ?????? - Sony controller manufacturer profit!
That's what annoys me about the SR system, it should be possible to see if you're breaking way too early for a corner, if you're breaking in the breaking zone and get rammed you shouldn't lose SR. Drives me mad.
There should be a penalty system where if someone rams another person off and the game detects the injustice the rammer's PlayStation explodes, their controllers melt, their Fortnite accounts get deleted, and they receive a certificate saying: ||| Congratulations ||| You have an iq level of 0.002 Me- Makes a comment about idiotic rammers Comment- Gets pinned, hearted and 2.5k likes Me- ...neat (Yes I know the comment doesn't have a heart or pin anymore because I edited it. Was it worth it? Not really I have made a severe lapse in judgement)
And best way to solve it is to put damage on in gt sport but then damage like in f1 games or project cars. If you hit somone ur wheel wil fly off or enginge blown or crankshaft in 2 pices
There was a mustang at a meet I went to that did a slight burnout while leaving dispite us telling him not to. A buddy of mine just said, "can't help the mustang guys."
This is so indicative of my experience. The 5 second penalty for basically Missiling someone off the track needs to be more like a 20 second penalty. And even then, you know your somehow going to get penalised for someone else doing it to you.
Black flags are a thing in real life. They should be part of this game as well, and there should be a cumulative penalty for being involved in accidents along the way.
Spot on observations. There are even worse tactics going on at narrow tracks, like Tokyo expressway, where the guy behind you initiates contact and than taps the wall on purpose to hang penalties on you even though you did nothing. And he hardly looses any time by the slight tap of the wall.
@@Super_GT weird cuz I have B on rank and S+ in clean driver and is actually a miracle that I crash on another car by accident, most of the time the players are the one who crash into my car.
That won't work, the penalty system as it is can't detect who is at fault. What if YOU get rear ended by someone and as a result YOU ram someone off aswell (can't be avoided), if the system would be implemented that you mentioned, it will punish you aswell.
@@TheDutchMan83 its not that hard to make an algorithm that would detect that you got a speed boost becasue you were rammed.... and got pushed into the bakc of another car first rule would be "if you hit the ass end.... then its your fault.... period" but then something like..... if you are rear ended, then give grace period and/or penalize the rammer" you could even add to the first rule "unless car infront moves at X feet per second left or right in the braking zone"
The sad thing about these dirty drivers is that they are actually really good. He had a faster qualifying time with you. If he hadn't been so toxic, he probably would have held onto a top 5 or podium finish. It's a shame they take all that skill and just chuck it out the window.
@@edismehmedali4666 Exactly. It's one thing to drive quickly, remember where you should be, where to brake and what gear you should be in in every corner and another thing to have respect for your opponents and factor them into your racing.
literally the reason i quit iRacing.... I'm tired of getting pole every qualy and getting punted in the first lap. Even if you can get out of the low SR classes, I'm not wasting hundreds of hours to start having fun.
I need to go take a shower after viewing this. That was so dirty. He was holding you up as well so the 3rd place guy was involved the whole time. I'm triggered.
I was so excited when you got past the Renault, and then shared your feeling when you got rammed off. Perfect timing with the slow motion cam. This is truly the stuff of broken controllers, but at 32 years old, I haven't gone that far in a long time. I'll just turn the game off and watch Letterkenny; crack open a beer.
That's the thing I have in Gran Turismo - no damage. Event without penalty system a damage system would have him out of the race, ruing the race of less people.
Ivan Angelov well, in this instance, damage system still would have hurt SuperGT more because he got rammed off the course. The other guy's car still would have been mostly fine with some minor cosmetic damage. I remember playing GRID 2,which has damage modeling and scum drivers I think did better because they took advantage of the fact that the cars they attack with bad sportsmanship will likely end up with more damage than the aggressor at times.
@@solidkwon Exactly, griefer will abuse any system. There is however one solution: Blacklisting. Just ask after the race who you want to blacklist and you will never race them again.
I thought you made the Shadow gt just for the memes. Getting better rating seems against the cause. Atleast I want to see you fighting against Sr. D/E players. The lols are worth it. Keep your super GT account for the serious racing please!
I was going to ask practically the same thing. Why the second account when he's doing the same thing? I was honestly hoping that R4M would be the "Judge Dredd". 6 days of clean and beautiful driving and on the 7th day, Dredd comes out to send these garbages to the shadow realm. Not provoking/attacking but putting people in their place when they deserve it. It would be both justice but also therapeutic for him.
The idea of the 2nd account was to preserve ratings on my main account when the serious FIA races come around later this year. Racing against lower rated players was never the aim, it was just a necessary step as you have to start on low ratings. It's genuinely not fun at all racing in the lower levels. Fun for some memes but mostly boring and a smash-fest.
My experience: This was my 2nd race in GT Sport online, i was 2nd, pretty good, then i got bumped off the track and pushed back to 5th. It would've been fine if the 6th place racer didn't spin me out pushing me back to 8th.
2:18 One of the main reason I love watching SuperGT/R4M besides the awesome races.. The CR(commentary rating) is absolutely brilliant and top level S+!
totally agree about fast drivers that have a dirty edge about them, no need to play like that just ruining the fun for everybody, I had this experience myself and it made me stop playing for a while. he was a A+/S driver as well
It's worth remembering racing ultimately is about being first, at least in the minds of some of the fastest people. They will get dirty if that is what it takes. You can see this in real racing. Do not be surprised to see this in sim racing every where. It's why I race less and less, it's annoying, it's not fun.
@@TheChannel1978 Its because the way races are setup is broken. Collisions should result in realistic damage, meaning that if you bump with somebody your car doesn't drive straight anymore. But this introduces other problem, which is that it becomes very hard to finish any race, since everyone's cars are broken. This could be fixed by assigning equal penalty points to both drivers in a collision, irrelevant of the driver that actually caused the collision. The points should have a real impact on your rating. This way, the drivers would have an actual incentive to avoid collisions at all costs, even if it means finishing last (its as if you are driving a real car, and it costs money to fix it)
@@kristupasantanavicius9093 A sturdy nudge probably won't screw up the alignment or bend the frame but, on a race car, damaging the bodykit kills aerodynamics and that extra drag would do them in.
4:23 i see that you're having some problems with black borders around the screen while recording or taking screenshots, that's an easy fix, go to Settings>Sound and Screen>Display Area Settings and enlarge it to the maximum, that will solve the problem
I’ve always been interesting in racing but never really understood what makes someone good or bad but this channel has opened my eyes to it and made me laugh along the way. Great stuff mate! Cheers.
It took me a while to get out of the dirty races and get my SR up. My route out was through the longer daily race C. I kept doing it again and again. I recommend this route to anyone looking to break away.
I’m rated SR A and agree. When you try to win you tangle with racers and your SR suffers. Just race easy and SR goes up and you leave the thugs behind you.
This is why I like iRacing and the new damage model. Sure, if someone hits you, you're out too and people make a lot of dumb mistakes and do dumb things but you can't just shove through without any consequences
That has to be one of the sneakiest dirty moves I've seen on your channel. Most rammers are just goons. This guy shakes your hand (moving over) while reaching around to stab you in the back.
Fix the reporting system, Make it cost SR or DR points to report someone (To avoid abuse) and then actually penalise people if they are reported by more than one player?
@@kristupasantanavicius9093 What tf are you talking about? Just let them go past you to avoid an unfair penalty they purposely cause you? That's some clear beta male shit right there. There's obviously a problem, a problem that needs a fair solution. Expecting clean players to just move out of the way for cheating pricks is not a just solution, that's some bullshit. I'd say to make it so if you hit someone, even accidentally, you automatically forfeit the race, no forgiveness. Learn to drive and don't make mistakes, or lose.
Ouch, that hurts to watch. This is very similar to how it feels playing Rocket League when your teammate accidentally bumps you out of goal n the opposition scores the easiest goal of their lifes.
I bought GTS recently, I'm not really good at racing so I only play the single player atm, but I hope I will get enough practice to not do stupid mistake online, that will ruin other players fun :/
@Scott you shouldn't be playing the god damn game then. Gran Turismo is about racing not smashing others cars. If you ruin others races only for your enterteinament then you are an asshole
Needs some sort of damage model and incorporate that into the penalty system. Make it variable based on weather conditions too. What about also a possible "recovery" system for the guys that get knocked off the circuit where it deducts time elapsed instead of the penalty system that adds time elapsed? And then link the two so that the amount of time added/subtracted correlates to who gets knocked off / who did the ramming.
Before you went live last night we were in a lobby together . I left it on lap 2 because of exact driving like this from people. Use you as breaks and cushions to get passed not one clean move. The orange SR from being tapped by people who can’t judge slipstream means even if you don’t get pens your SR goes down because it’s 4 laps. Even if you have a clean race you get max 8 SR up so this system is literally pointless that’s why I’m not bothered with this game anymore. All they care about is FIA tours with a bunch of nerds. No one else matters
This is why Race C is your best bet if you want to improve your SR. It's very easy to maintain and build up your SR in C because of the extended length of the races. The field gets very sparse after the first 4-5 laps and so if you want to stay out of trouble, it's quite easy to do so.
I was so scared I would've gone in a negative drain straight away racing guys like this. So glad my first few races were all pole to flag wins (just lucky, not that good) so I started out high
not that I'm any good, but I stopped playing Forza because I don't want to play THAT kind of player vs. player game, I just want to race without having to treat each car near me as a trap/homing missile
@@huffadopolis ironically that has moved to horizon 4, M7 has been pretty damn good to race in now and with watching jsr Devon beta test the penalty system they have coming it's looking even more promising
Zentoven99 I’ll definitely go back once new penalty system gets added maybe I just had a few bad races and raged, always a possibility w/ video games haha
I’ve just started playing GT Sport this past weekend and my phone must have been listening in on my complaints, because here’s your recommended video. I’ve done daily races 3 times and it makes me not even want to go back online. It’s so awful. I’ll be rammed from the back which will cause me to hit a barrier. I’ll get penalties for both contacts and it just doesn’t seem right.
This is really late and I hope you have gotten better lobbies, but a good thing to try is to not qualify and just drive the race last and hopefully your SR goes up if no one comes in contact with you from crashing in the first turn.
You just don’t get it, Veteran 57 is French and that’s exactly how the French drive in real life, they are the worst. Try to go on vacation in France and come back alive, you’ll see.
@Max Power excuse you? Well, you're forgiven because that's not that much of an unfair assumption to make, 3 out of 4 brazillian drivers i meet in-game are dirty.
@Max Power I am Brazilian and I can testify they are the worst, they want to win no matter what. Been in the uk since i was a child so i guess thats why i cannot understand their gaming style
A year and a half later YT has just recommended this video to me again. Have to say the penalty system just seems to get worse and worse with this game. The amount of penalties I have got from being hit by a dive bomber is ridiculous, but even worse is when you connect with a car that is spun out and blocking the whole track, and you get a penalty for hitting them. Try to avoid it by going off track, get a penalty for ignoring track limits. Last night I got a penalty for hitting a stationary car at the start of a race because the guy obviously was not at his PS4 when the race started.
A good system would be to implement some type of "submit review" button and it'll allow you to select a person/s in the race who you think should be up for review. A human person would then review that footage and decide on appropriate action. Or hell, do what CS:GO does and allow the community to review flagged races and let them vote on who is in the wrong and what type of punishment is necessary. For example, in the race with the Veteran, I'd vote him in the wrong and mark him down for a 5 day game suspension meaning he will not be able to play for 5 days. After 24+ hours, if enough people have voted on a punishment, that punishment will go into effect. If not enough people voted on it, a human employed by the devs will then review it and decide on a punishment. You could also reward people for their reviewing with in-game credits or some type of reward that makes them want to participate in making the community a better place.
I've been playing GT since PS1. I would chill with my memory card in my pocket how serious me & my friends would play GT back then. We played no dirty moves. Contact sure but if the contact drove the other car off the track you owe me $5 that's how we played 😂 2020 i race the same way clean racing but not everyone is like that so 👍 of course no one wants to pay $5 so it forced us to play clean.
This type of behavior plagues every racing game... I remember being hooked on Racedriver GRID. When I played against good players, we had fun. Real fun, and I almost always got podiums. 99% of the time, though... the "rating" system is half the way only. The other half is stopping them from playing online. Something like a soft system ban. Let them access all features but the multiplayer.
This guys almost as dirty as the Brazilian's you'd meet on Grid 2 back in the day. Being honest though, this guy ain't nothing compared to Ranked matches on Forza Horizon 4. "Absolute Scum" could be considered an understatement. I've actually refused to play Ranked PvP until the last bastards at Playground Games turn contact off or start heavily penalising.
@@cooltwittertag Personally I think it's even worse. You now get penalised for absolutely everything even the slightest of mistakes. You can never tell when your about to be ghosted or not, and you still constantly rammed off the track right before checkpoints. By far the worst part of it all is that people have now started exploiting the new system that has been far worse than wall riding. Now, if your coming into a corner and someone uses you as stopping mechanism to get round the corner. They don't get penalised, but if you slide into the wall as a result of their cheating, you actually get penalised. The new system for me and a bunch of friends has made PvP even more a nightmare to play
Mod your hitbox so whenever someone rams you it applies the same amount of force towards them in the opposite direction,dive bomber goes flying in reverse
As a new driver to this I do my best to break earlier since i don’t have the confidence to attack a corner yet in order to pass a player. That being said I’ve had multiple times I’m trying to gain confidence and someone rams me or someone I’m racing off the track but gets no penalty. So it’s difficult to build up my skill times when that happens.
I just started the Sport section & frustration is an understatement. Always getting bumped out of the road slowing for corners & dive bombs galore. And it’s my experience that they rarely get a penalty. But you go from say 3rd to the middle or farther back in the pack. This is where more bumping and shoving happens. And all this after turning many laps to get a good qualifying time. It has turned me off racing in Sport. Great vid bud. Cheers
1:19 - 1:24, with 1:22 most specifically: that's the moment the Mustang, the "Villain of the Piece", goes Captain Ahab, and begins cherishing his wild vindictiveness against you, and possibly your friends and loved ones.
3:57 in (some time after 8000 people overtake captain dramatic)He taps a Mustang wide takes inside then go's wide as possible to run him off track........nice overtake looks like the ranking system got you playing with the right people.
So glad I watched this, I have a B SR rating at the moment and sometimes you get a good clean race but if you get involved with some dickhead and it drops to a C rating it's a total shit show. I'm going to finish last and avoid everyone until I'm S and hopefully it's a better experience.
it is nowhere near better with an S rating. Its all about the DR. once you get above a B it gets better but you better be fast to get a B. its tough to get that high. I"m D/S won 2 manufacture's race today and didn't budge. I'm about to give up on this game unless the new update has some drastic changes.
If the system detects you going off track, and it takes 6 seconds to return, then the player that knocked you off the track, should get 12 seconds penalty - really harsh penalties would soon make people cautious and stop being a holes
Honestly this is why I don’t like playing any game online. I can never trust that I’ll have a fun experience. And even if I have fun it’s all temporary. With SP games you can enjoy a fair and well balanced game and you can enjoy the story and experience as many times as you want. In the old days playing multiplayer was fun because your friends knew that playing dirty would bug the hell out of everyone and it just wasn’t tolerated. But online there’s just nothing you can do about and strangers can be dirtbags.
very hard system to make. forza has no balance at all and iracing you can just get totalled cause someone else dont want you to win. everything has give and take.
"Looking for the opening... well there it is and through we go," he says, making one of the sloppiest punt-to-pass moves anyone ever had the audacity to include in a video complaining about driving standards
You're absolutely bang on. This is why I gave up playing online Steve. Both you and Tigney hit the nail right on the head with this. Too many idiots spoiling it for fair racing.
great video, I have had and kept my SR at an S for so long and lately the races have been chaos. one of my recent manufactures cup races I was shunted at what felt like every corner, there would be penalties but they just are not that severe enough, I lose about 5 seconds they only get 2 second penalty. it's a shame as the game is great but atm only 1 out of 5 lobbies I enter seem to want to race fair. any tips on other racing sims and their penalty systems? I have ps4, been looking at project cars 2 but will probably have a similar experience there. maybe all the rammers are just waiting for a console release of wreckfest haha.
Same, Playing those games online you will always have drivers who plays terrible in this game and they don't get punished for it. I left to play SP for the most part.
iRacing is the way to go... Even though its stupid expensive the price is that way to keep these kind of drivers away. Not gonna lie I havent got the guts to get iRacing because I feel like I am not good enough and people will get pissed with me.
@@Costiii iracing is terrible. you can't play at your own time, the physics aren't great, the graphics are super dated and (the actual deal breaker:) it's super expensive. just... go play automobilista against the AI. racing is pretty solid against those, the phsyics and sound are great and the graphics... well, they're as dated as iracing, i guess.
I used to race like that last guy, back when I played a lot of forza. as of recently i've started getting into sim racing properly, playing assetto corsa and ACC a lot and im really trying to focus on learning to overtake/ race cleanly and i think i've got a lot better. my SA can still use some work in ACC but im enjoying racing so much more now that im actually trying to avoid collisions haha
You're in a unique position as a content creator for this game in that you can feel like you achieved some "justice" by calling them out on this public forum. Dont try and get revenge during the race; Let your fans do it for you in the comment section!
That lunge is so far back that when he gets to the normal turning speed, you're already about to exit the first part of the chicane. You're ahead for three tenths and well, even Danny Ric won't make that
GT Sport penalty system is like when the teacher punishes you for fighting back against the bully and tells the bully to cut it out.
yes brother and it's fucking frustrating. And sportsmanship rating keeps dropping to hell. Also if I may add, there were some nice experiences with some really fair drivers, but most of the time someone push me out, gets 1 sec while I lost 8 or 10 sec. Stupid fucking system
That actually came from sport refereeing where retaliation is seen as worse than the initial assault or foul. Schools took it up because teachers are basically dumb.
@@SvenTviking Retaliation is stupid in real life as well as in games. Revenge is a dish best served cold, with a subpoena and the support of local law enforcement. Not in the heat of the moment.
Remember: Bullies (griefeers etc) want you to fight them because they can beat you in a brawl, but if you send them two uniformed people with batons, they are not so tough anymore.
As for racing:
One second is too little in the game it seems, it should be a drivetrhough of the pit lane or something else that costs you 10-30 seconds, not a single second slowdown where you are a brick in the road.
@@57thorns "Remember: Bullies (griefeers etc) want you to fight them because they can beat you in a brawl"
Stop trying to sound like an expert because you ain't one. Bullies thrive on you being a betasoy so fucking them up is the only way to stop.
@@nilau3295 Of course, I pick the time to fight them back when I know I can hurt them,. that was the whole point.
But in an online game, it is easier to not give them the satisfaction of a fight at all.
I love how fast that escalated,
*sent to shadow realm*
im going to buy a gun.
ArmchairWarrior respect the drip KAREN
ArmchairWarrior calm down.
The murder-suicide contemplation got me.
ArmchairWarrior lmao I would hate to live in Canada and face the possibility of being robbed at knife point 😂🤣
@Roger Dodger because they don't have the firearms to kill people instead of knives
this game needs a real damage model.. cannot ram if you have no wheels
but what if some asshole punts you and your car gets damaged by it?? you would lose the race immediately with no fault of your own
HECKproductions then it will make people actually try and take the game more serious, I’m sure it will get old for someone who can only do damage for one second and that’s about it for them
Simple solution 🙄
@@erbio7984 the more realistic the game the more the player will have to adhere to "reality" 👌
A damage system that gets progressively worse with repeat offenses, and a gradual repair when driving clean.
Just cruise in last place every race and you get a perfect rating. Then start racing for real :) Great system!
Does it really work? 😅 Totally considering this ^^ Not the best stuff getting bumped and receiving the three seconds for it...
@@semikolon6440 yes it works
Semi Kolon this works and it shouldn’t. SR should be given when in close proximity to other drivers, not when you’re far away from anyone else imo.
Geno Medina lmao so true I thought Canadians are supposed to be nice...
@@1234kingconan we are nice until we start playing hockey or driving 😂
A Mustang driver crashing into people? You don't say.
Lol!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mustangs accounts for more than half of all car crash videos on youtube.
😂😂
I think the lyrics go...
"Move B!@#$, get out the way
Get out the way B!@#$ , get out the way
Move B!@#$, get out the way
Get out the way B!@#$, get out the way"
Not the car, but the typical car driver.
A frenchman in a megane is actually the fith horseman of the apocalypse
The worst part about Veteran wasn't his driving style, it was the design choice for his Megane
The colors that he chooses are ugly... I think he did it on purpose.
Ugly color usually a good indicater of a bad driver... not always but often enough.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.
Well, he's French, so obviously.
It doesn't really matter about the design, the Megane itself is a poor design choice, and just a terrible, ugly little car that only a Frenchman would drive.
2:19
"And then a Savage Lunge from about 8000 Postal Codes behind"
*XD*
Can’t say I’ve ever heard that one lol
LOL
This is why I can’t stand any racing games online. Triggers me on another level
yeah, apparently most racing game players are like this. i was too up until 2 weeks ago. heck, not even just for racing games, i play EVERYTHING offline on my own.
Too many people want to play sim racing games like arcade racing games. They are just shy of complaining the cars don't have guns.
i like, how they evolve from "i like Nfs:MW" to "im gonna play racing sim online"
Which is the reason devs should work, ideally together, on a system that really penalizes that sort of play. What we got so far works but we need it more fine tuned.
Track mania :) collisions have to be off and are by default.
- Get pushed wide from someone miles behind.
- Lose SR because you were racing on the line and because .. reasons.
- Get even worse races.
- ??????
- Sony controller manufacturer profit!
TV/monitor manufacturers are on it too.
That's what annoys me about the SR system, it should be possible to see if you're breaking way too early for a corner, if you're breaking in the breaking zone and get rammed you shouldn't lose SR. Drives me mad.
If you break stuff when you're mad you need to grow up
@@Rick-jf5bd Anger management has nothing to do with age. You can see 60 year olds go bat shit crazy. So yeah... no.
@@nikosxi age has nothing to do with maturity. You can be dumbass at 60 years of age.
There should be a penalty system where if someone rams another person off and the game detects the injustice the rammer's PlayStation explodes, their controllers melt, their Fortnite accounts get deleted, and they receive a certificate saying:
||| Congratulations |||
You have an iq level of 0.002
Me- Makes a comment about idiotic rammers
Comment- Gets pinned, hearted and 2.5k likes
Me- ...neat
(Yes I know the comment doesn't have a heart or pin anymore because I edited it. Was it worth it? Not really I have made a severe lapse in judgement)
You won the internet today
I hope they then get a heart atack and die
And best way to solve it is to put damage on in gt sport but then damage like in f1 games or project cars. If you hit somone ur wheel wil fly off or enginge blown or crankshaft in 2 pices
They get a trophy " Rammer acephalon!"....with that happy noises of the notification like..."heeey look, you got a new thophy!"
@@djankoedampeFTW yes, make everyone wear a defibrillator so they get shocked when they ram.
Really, if you get punted like that at the end, you should switch places with the person. They get reset and you gain their position and speed.
That’s a good idea👍🏻
wow
You might be on to something.
Captain Caveman There is a tough guy here!
Captain Caveman people aspire to be as cool as you
“It’s the mustang that we need to watch for”
That statement is very true on car meets
And Jeep drivers, don’t forget Jeep drivers.
Can someone explain the joke to me
Dixie Normous the mustang joke? In car meets it’s like 99% chance the mustang gonna hit a car or plow through people
There was a mustang at a meet I went to that did a slight burnout while leaving dispite us telling him not to. A buddy of mine just said, "can't help the mustang guys."
Drinking Game: drink when Super GT says
frustrating
penalty
rating
DEAD
DRUNK
calm down there, satan
I think ill pass this..my stomach cant stand the amount of drink i need... Lol
I passering outsid for now
This is so indicative of my experience. The 5 second penalty for basically Missiling someone off the track needs to be more like a 20 second penalty. And even then, you know your somehow going to get penalised for someone else doing it to you.
Black flags are a thing in real life. They should be part of this game as well, and there should be a cumulative penalty for being involved in accidents along the way.
Just add real damage and it would clear up
Spot on observations. There are even worse tactics going on at narrow tracks, like Tokyo expressway, where the guy behind you initiates contact and than taps the wall on purpose to hang penalties on you even though you did nothing. And he hardly looses any time by the slight tap of the wall.
Anything below S rank is basically Shadow Realm auditions
lmao
@@Super_GT weird cuz I have B on rank and S+ in clean driver and is actually a miracle that I crash on another car by accident, most of the time the players are the one who crash into my car.
I am in B rank SR and its just carnage
For some reason the a sportsmanship and d driver level races are actually quite clean for me
They need a black flag penalty where if you ram someone off the the track you're disqualified or at least placed a lap down and ghosted.
It does DQ you if you do it enough lol. But you have to be consistently penalized.
That won't work, the penalty system as it is can't detect who is at fault. What if YOU get rear ended by someone and as a result YOU ram someone off aswell (can't be avoided), if the system would be implemented that you mentioned, it will punish you aswell.
@@TheDutchMan83 the system can detect this sometimes but yeah it will never be perfect
@@TheDutchMan83 Great point. Didn't consider the possible chain reaction chaos.
@@TheDutchMan83 its not that hard to make an algorithm that would detect that you got a speed boost becasue you were rammed.... and got pushed into the bakc of another car
first rule would be "if you hit the ass end.... then its your fault.... period"
but then something like..... if you are rear ended, then give grace period and/or penalize the rammer"
you could even add to the first rule "unless car infront moves at X feet per second left or right in the braking zone"
I keep saying it , watch out for the French in this game!
I keep saying it, watch out for the British in every sports...
What is with France and aggressive drivers anyway
In this game try every game also Germans always seem to be fuckin amazing at any game
@@sespa7867 damn straight
Still think overall Spanish are the worst by quite a distance
The sad thing about these dirty drivers is that they are actually really good. He had a faster qualifying time with you. If he hadn't been so toxic, he probably would have held onto a top 5 or podium finish. It's a shame they take all that skill and just chuck it out the window.
@@edismehmedali4666 Exactly. It's one thing to drive quickly, remember where you should be, where to brake and what gear you should be in in every corner and another thing to have respect for your opponents and factor them into your racing.
His car is the reason for the qualy time. GT was clearly faster
The biggest problem with Gran Turismo is that I don't have it
Its like $25 now
@@lilquincy6292 you need a damn PS4 to play tho
@@lilquincy6292 another problem i have is that I don't have a PS4
I feel you.
I bought it for 13€ used and I plan playing when I go to my parents house next week
literally the reason i quit iRacing.... I'm tired of getting pole every qualy and getting punted in the first lap. Even if you can get out of the low SR classes, I'm not wasting hundreds of hours to start having fun.
12:02 guy in front plays like he's using WASD
At least you got Sixckthchthckth in the end
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🤔😶
13:40 “Really considering buying a gun, and I mean idk to him or shoot myself. Maybe both. I think I’ll do both.” LMAOO MOODDDD
Yourself doesn't help because it's a tie
I just started playing. Honestly it's unplayable, every race someone does something dirty. Really makes the game terrible.
I need to go take a shower after viewing this. That was so dirty. He was holding you up as well so the 3rd place guy was involved the whole time. I'm triggered.
Triggered little bitch
I was so excited when you got past the Renault, and then shared your feeling when you got rammed off. Perfect timing with the slow motion cam. This is truly the stuff of broken controllers, but at 32 years old, I haven't gone that far in a long time. I'll just turn the game off and watch Letterkenny; crack open a beer.
This is actually a wise choice
I can’t get my driver rating up because people are constantly ruining my race. So I’m basically stuck in the bad lobby’s
I feel your pain. Same with me
Bad players get stuck in bad ranks. That's generally the point of having ranks...
That's the thing I have in Gran Turismo - no damage. Event without penalty system a damage system would have him out of the race, ruing the race of less people.
Ivan Angelov well, in this instance, damage system still would have hurt SuperGT more because he got rammed off the course. The other guy's car still would have been mostly fine with some minor cosmetic damage. I remember playing GRID 2,which has damage modeling and scum drivers I think did better because they took advantage of the fact that the cars they attack with bad sportsmanship will likely end up with more damage than the aggressor at times.
@@solidkwon Exactly, griefer will abuse any system. There is however one solution:
Blacklisting.
Just ask after the race who you want to blacklist and you will never race them again.
I thought you made the Shadow gt just for the memes. Getting better rating seems against the cause. Atleast I want to see you fighting against Sr. D/E players. The lols are worth it. Keep your super GT account for the serious racing please!
This ^
I was going to ask practically the same thing. Why the second account when he's doing the same thing?
I was honestly hoping that R4M would be the "Judge Dredd". 6 days of clean and beautiful driving and on the 7th day, Dredd comes out to send these garbages to the shadow realm. Not provoking/attacking but putting people in their place when they deserve it.
It would be both justice but also therapeutic for him.
Agreed
its not that he doesnt wanna have good clean races on this account, he just doesnt want to risk fia results on other acc because of a bad daily race
The idea of the 2nd account was to preserve ratings on my main account when the serious FIA races come around later this year. Racing against lower rated players was never the aim, it was just a necessary step as you have to start on low ratings. It's genuinely not fun at all racing in the lower levels. Fun for some memes but mostly boring and a smash-fest.
My experience: This was my 2nd race in GT Sport online, i was 2nd, pretty good, then i got bumped off the track and pushed back to 5th. It would've been fine if the 6th place racer didn't spin me out pushing me back to 8th.
This vid gave me the sympathy rage
Exactly 😁😠😤
2:18 One of the main reason I love watching SuperGT/R4M besides the awesome races..
The CR(commentary rating) is absolutely brilliant and top level S+!
I've met someone who braked hard when I was slipstreaming on the straight. I don't know man
totally agree about fast drivers that have a dirty edge about them, no need to play like that just ruining the fun for everybody, I had this experience myself and it made me stop playing for a while.
he was a A+/S driver as well
It's worth remembering racing ultimately is about being first, at least in the minds of some of the fastest people. They will get dirty if that is what it takes. You can see this in real racing. Do not be surprised to see this in sim racing every where. It's why I race less and less, it's annoying, it's not fun.
@@TheChannel1978 Its because the way races are setup is broken. Collisions should result in realistic damage, meaning that if you bump with somebody your car doesn't drive straight anymore. But this introduces other problem, which is that it becomes very hard to finish any race, since everyone's cars are broken.
This could be fixed by assigning equal penalty points to both drivers in a collision, irrelevant of the driver that actually caused the collision. The points should have a real impact on your rating. This way, the drivers would have an actual incentive to avoid collisions at all costs, even if it means finishing last (its as if you are driving a real car, and it costs money to fix it)
@@kristupasantanavicius9093 A sturdy nudge probably won't screw up the alignment or bend the frame but, on a race car, damaging the bodykit kills aerodynamics and that extra drag would do them in.
4:23 i see that you're having some problems with black borders around the screen while recording or taking screenshots, that's an easy fix, go to Settings>Sound and Screen>Display Area Settings and enlarge it to the maximum, that will solve the problem
I’ve always been interesting in racing but never really understood what makes someone good or bad but this channel has opened my eyes to it and made me laugh along the way. Great stuff mate! Cheers.
It took me a while to get out of the dirty races and get my SR up. My route out was through the longer daily race C. I kept doing it again and again. I recommend this route to anyone looking to break away.
@@loveashlyn320 Dont set a qualy time, Stay at the back, sometimes pass the dnf''s or the knobs that fall off alot.
I’m rated SR A and agree. When you try to win you tangle with racers and your SR suffers. Just race easy and SR goes up and you leave the thugs behind you.
R4M_Adam06🤔. R4M is becoming an esport team?
Secretly super gt has been setting one up...
More like meme team
Quinten give me a waffle
VLX_Quinten hmmm interesting 🤔
VLX_Quinten quinten, it’s where you belong
Imagine how that feels in an actual race that you practice for all year lol brutal
When you try to avoid a dangerous driver.
SR Rating: 👎
*Super GT: 🤬 Am I a joke to you?*
Yeah, that is stupid. When he got hit in the back at the beginning, his SR went down. How does that work?
Seems to be drivers from the Romance language countries a good portion of the time. French/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese = high chance of punt
Spaniards most definitely nr1 in Europe. US players always complain about brazilians 😂 It is what it is.
I can tell you I live in Spain and most of the time I have spanish and french players beinge dirty
We have so many racist in here idiots racist people
I'm Spanish and I'm the cleanest driver you can go up against.. just saying
@@coletrickIe they take from their Iberian ancestors.
This is why I like iRacing and the new damage model.
Sure, if someone hits you, you're out too and people make a lot of dumb mistakes and do dumb things but you can't just shove through without any consequences
That has to be one of the sneakiest dirty moves I've seen on your channel. Most rammers are just goons. This guy shakes your hand (moving over) while reaching around to stab you in the back.
UnquantifiableQuest Racism against French? I like
Yeah, hated those frog eaters in PGR3, too.
Fix the reporting system,
Make it cost SR or DR points to report someone (To avoid abuse) and then actually penalise people if they are reported by more than one player?
Too complicated. Simply give equal penalty to both drivers who have collided.
@Berdy If you are racing against someone like that, just let them go past you.
@Berdy There is a good saying, it goes something like this: don't fight someone who has nothing to lose
@@kristupasantanavicius9093 What tf are you talking about? Just let them go past you to avoid an unfair penalty they purposely cause you? That's some clear beta male shit right there. There's obviously a problem, a problem that needs a fair solution. Expecting clean players to just move out of the way for cheating pricks is not a just solution, that's some bullshit. I'd say to make it so if you hit someone, even accidentally, you automatically forfeit the race, no forgiveness. Learn to drive and don't make mistakes, or lose.
Martin Brown just make the car not driable after a crash
When we see clean toilets in hostels and clean online experience in any game. We envolved
i think i lost brain cells reading that
Ouch, that hurts to watch. This is very similar to how it feels playing Rocket League when your teammate accidentally bumps you out of goal n the opposition scores the easiest goal of their lifes.
I bought GTS recently, I'm not really good at racing so I only play the single player atm, but I hope I will get enough practice to not do stupid mistake online, that will ruin other players fun :/
Bjorkit if your nice you’ll be fineee
Bjorkit join some rooms first and see what its like
Scott So you’re a d*ckhead like Veteran_57? If so, quit online racing and go ram some AI drivers
@Scott you shouldn't be playing the god damn game then. Gran Turismo is about racing not smashing others cars. If you ruin others races only for your enterteinament then you are an asshole
Scott what a twat
Needs some sort of damage model and incorporate that into the penalty system. Make it variable based on weather conditions too. What about also a possible "recovery" system for the guys that get knocked off the circuit where it deducts time elapsed instead of the penalty system that adds time elapsed? And then link the two so that the amount of time added/subtracted correlates to who gets knocked off / who did the ramming.
12:53 Reminiscent of Max verstappens defences in 2017
And 2018.
When will this stop lol
@@ejune98 it will not stop, the F1 FIA calls it the Verstapen rule.
@@ejune98 It will never verstappen.
@@pilsyppah and no doubt 2019
Before you went live last night we were in a lobby together . I left it on lap 2 because of exact driving like this from people.
Use you as breaks and cushions to get passed not one clean move.
The orange SR from being tapped by people who can’t judge slipstream means even if you don’t get pens your SR goes down because it’s 4 laps. Even if you have a clean race you get max 8 SR up so this system is literally pointless that’s why I’m not bothered with this game anymore. All they care about is FIA tours with a bunch of nerds. No one else matters
This is why Race C is your best bet if you want to improve your SR. It's very easy to maintain and build up your SR in C because of the extended length of the races. The field gets very sparse after the first 4-5 laps and so if you want to stay out of trouble, it's quite easy to do so.
Luis Rizo I know that bro. But it also gets boring doing the same race all week.
I was so scared I would've gone in a negative drain straight away racing guys like this. So glad my first few races were all pole to flag wins (just lucky, not that good) so I started out high
I find that when someone comes up behind you and tries to squeeze up the inside on a corner and I get the penalty and not them.
Your commentary is brilliant, Super GT! It's quiet yet savage!!
13:28 I felt a mixed sensation of sadness and hate. I cried.
ohhhh that frenchman made me so angry!
Yea not the Italian one before who was way more cancer..
If you're not matched against people with an SR on the top of S rating, it reminds me of Forza.
not that I'm any good, but I stopped playing Forza because I don't want to play THAT kind of player vs. player game, I just want to race without having to treat each car near me as a trap/homing missile
@@huffadopolis ironically that has moved to horizon 4, M7 has been pretty damn good to race in now and with watching jsr Devon beta test the penalty system they have coming it's looking even more promising
Zentoven99 I’ll definitely go back once new penalty system gets added maybe I just had a few bad races and raged, always a possibility w/ video games haha
I’ve just started playing GT Sport this past weekend and my phone must have been listening in on my complaints, because here’s your recommended video.
I’ve done daily races 3 times and it makes me not even want to go back online. It’s so awful. I’ll be rammed from the back which will cause me to hit a barrier. I’ll get penalties for both contacts and it just doesn’t seem right.
This is really late and I hope you have gotten better lobbies, but a good thing to try is to not qualify and just drive the race last and hopefully your SR goes up if no one comes in contact with you from crashing in the first turn.
You just don’t get it, Veteran 57 is French and that’s exactly how the French drive in real life, they are the worst. Try to go on vacation in France and come back alive, you’ll see.
you're better off walking around the city in france lol
None of you have ever tried India. Lol
@Max Power excuse you? Well, you're forgiven because that's not that much of an unfair assumption to make, 3 out of 4 brazillian drivers i meet in-game are dirty.
@Max Power I am Brazilian and I can testify they are the worst, they want to win no matter what. Been in the uk since i was a child so i guess thats why i cannot understand their gaming style
@Max Power hey, i am brazilian and i am clean in the majority of races. So, you can't generalize all of the people in a country
Shadow GT DRINKING GAME:
Take a shot every time Steve says “frustrating” and “annoying.”
Good luck everybody!
alcohol... poisoning... x.x
My side hurts
Don't forget penalty
I literally laughed out loud when he said that he was considering buying a gun!
A year and a half later YT has just recommended this video to me again. Have to say the penalty system just seems to get worse and worse with this game.
The amount of penalties I have got from being hit by a dive bomber is ridiculous, but even worse is when you connect with a car that is spun out and blocking the whole track, and you get a penalty for hitting them. Try to avoid it by going off track, get a penalty for ignoring track limits.
Last night I got a penalty for hitting a stationary car at the start of a race because the guy obviously was not at his PS4 when the race started.
A good system would be to implement some type of "submit review" button and it'll allow you to select a person/s in the race who you think should be up for review. A human person would then review that footage and decide on appropriate action. Or hell, do what CS:GO does and allow the community to review flagged races and let them vote on who is in the wrong and what type of punishment is necessary. For example, in the race with the Veteran, I'd vote him in the wrong and mark him down for a 5 day game suspension meaning he will not be able to play for 5 days. After 24+ hours, if enough people have voted on a punishment, that punishment will go into effect. If not enough people voted on it, a human employed by the devs will then review it and decide on a punishment.
You could also reward people for their reviewing with in-game credits or some type of reward that makes them want to participate in making the community a better place.
I've been playing GT since PS1. I would chill with my memory card in my pocket how serious me & my friends would play GT back then. We played no dirty moves. Contact sure but if the contact drove the other car off the track you owe me $5 that's how we played 😂 2020 i race the same way clean racing but not everyone is like that so 👍 of course no one wants to pay $5 so it forced us to play clean.
This type of behavior plagues every racing game... I remember being hooked on Racedriver GRID. When I played against good players, we had fun. Real fun, and I almost always got podiums. 99% of the time, though... the "rating" system is half the way only. The other half is stopping them from playing online. Something like a soft system ban. Let them access all features but the multiplayer.
This guys almost as dirty as the Brazilian's you'd meet on Grid 2 back in the day.
Being honest though, this guy ain't
nothing compared to Ranked matches on Forza Horizon 4. "Absolute Scum" could be considered an understatement. I've actually refused to play Ranked PvP until the last bastards at Playground Games turn contact off or start heavily penalising.
Is the current system working for you?
@@cooltwittertag Personally I think it's even worse. You now get penalised for absolutely everything even the slightest of mistakes. You can never tell when your about to be ghosted or not, and you still constantly rammed off the track right before checkpoints.
By far the worst part of it all is that people have now started exploiting the new system that has been far worse than wall riding.
Now, if your coming into a corner and someone uses you as stopping mechanism to get round the corner. They don't get penalised, but if you slide into the wall as a result of their cheating, you actually get penalised.
The new system for me and a bunch of friends has made PvP even more a nightmare to play
It's an Italian driving a Mustang. What do y'all expect?
Racist by you i expected it
the worst part about it is that you can't do anything about you just wanna fight the person or start yelling at him but you cant
I like ramming people in arcade, but in online you just don’t ram. That’s what Nascar is for.
It's not ramming, slamming, whamming, crashing or any other synonym. It's rubbing, and rubbing son, is racing. - Harry Hogge, Days of Thunder
Shadow37, Nice quote but what I do is ram. I flip and slam the AI cars off the road and cause a huge pile up behind me.
The French fight harder in GT Sport than they did against invading Germans. Priorities?
Mod your hitbox so whenever someone rams you it applies the same amount of force towards them in the opposite direction,dive bomber goes flying in reverse
I stopped going online because i nearly snapped myself in too obscene rage
“Sent me into the shadow realm” lmao
As a new driver to this I do my best to break earlier since i don’t have the confidence to attack a corner yet in order to pass a player. That being said I’ve had multiple times I’m trying to gain confidence and someone rams me or someone I’m racing off the track but gets no penalty. So it’s difficult to build up my skill times when that happens.
This guy deserves more subs
This is my first video I’ve seen by him
Many thanks mate. Welcome to the channel.
Super GT. Thanks for the heart. This is my first comment I’ve ever gotten a heart on.
Super GT one year later and I’m still subbed. Love ur vids
@@Super_GT 2 years, still loving it.
people like them is why I quit GT Sport.
MrBrendon999 same here 😳
same
I just started the Sport section & frustration is an understatement. Always getting bumped out of the road slowing for corners & dive bombs galore. And it’s my experience that they rarely get a penalty. But you go from say 3rd to the middle or farther back in the pack. This is where more bumping and shoving happens. And all this after turning many laps to get a good qualifying time. It has turned me off racing in Sport. Great vid bud. Cheers
Lol first thing I saw when I skipped through "just went into the back of this guy" pretty sure that's a scummy thing to do 😂😂😂
because _of course hes driving a mustang_
1:19 - 1:24, with 1:22 most specifically: that's the moment the Mustang, the "Villain of the Piece", goes Captain Ahab, and begins cherishing his wild vindictiveness against you, and possibly your friends and loved ones.
3:57 in (some time after 8000 people overtake captain dramatic)He taps a Mustang wide takes inside then go's wide as possible to run him off track........nice overtake looks like the ranking system got you playing with the right people.
did you not watch the video or
So glad I watched this, I have a B SR rating at the moment and sometimes you get a good clean race but if you get involved with some dickhead and it drops to a C rating it's a total shit show. I'm going to finish last and avoid everyone until I'm S and hopefully it's a better experience.
it is nowhere near better with an S rating. Its all about the DR. once you get above a B it gets better but you better be fast to get a B. its tough to get that high. I"m D/S won 2 manufacture's race today and didn't budge. I'm about to give up on this game unless the new update has some drastic changes.
The moment I realized the guy on the Mustang was Italian (like me) I felt genuine shame, guys don't worry we are not like that :]
Italian or Frensh - doesn't matter.. worst drivers in GT Sport and Forza 7.
As a clean french guy, I've seen a lot of my fellow french drivers being kinda dirty in GT, but spanish guys and russians are the worst
Italians and french are nothing compared to Brazilians
Brazilians are horrible
@@luscorpio3679 racist
@@dynamix5119 2nd racist
If the system detects you going off track, and it takes 6 seconds to return, then the player that knocked you off the track, should get 12 seconds penalty - really harsh penalties would soon make people cautious and stop being a holes
Honestly this is why I don’t like playing any game online. I can never trust that I’ll have a fun experience. And even if I have fun it’s all temporary. With SP games you can enjoy a fair and well balanced game and you can enjoy the story and experience as many times as you want. In the old days playing multiplayer was fun because your friends knew that playing dirty would bug the hell out of everyone and it just wasn’t tolerated. But online there’s just nothing you can do about and strangers can be dirtbags.
Such dirty drivers on gt and the penalty system is broken
Better than having no penalty system
very hard system to make. forza has no balance at all and iracing you can just get totalled cause someone else dont want you to win. everything has give and take.
You guys need to watch out for the French like we need to watch out for the Brazilians. 🤦♂️ The worst.
Don't put all the French in the same bag please 😭
It’s like in R6 with extreme toxicity, they just kill their teammate, leave and ruin your day.
"Looking for the opening... well there it is and through we go," he says, making one of the sloppiest punt-to-pass moves anyone ever had the audacity to include in a video complaining about driving standards
VoidSkipper no one cares, he uploads this for entertainment and i find it entertaining so he’s done his job, stop nit picking u we fàg, idc
@@mint-o5497 Big oof lol
Does that somehow make him wrong, you basic fuck
What do you expect from a mustang? It‘s litetally built to smash into things
You're absolutely bang on. This is why I gave up playing online Steve. Both you and Tigney hit the nail right on the head with this. Too many idiots spoiling it for fair racing.
great video, I have had and kept my SR at an S for so long and lately the races have been chaos. one of my recent manufactures cup races I was shunted at what felt like every corner, there would be penalties but they just are not that severe enough, I lose about 5 seconds they only get 2 second penalty.
it's a shame as the game is great but atm only 1 out of 5 lobbies I enter seem to want to race fair.
any tips on other racing sims and their penalty systems? I have ps4, been looking at project cars 2 but will probably have a similar experience there.
maybe all the rammers are just waiting for a console release of wreckfest haha.
Its drivers like these in forza nd gt that really piss me off, especially in horizon. I don't really play simcades anymore because of this
Same, Playing those games online you will always have drivers who plays terrible in this game and they don't get punished for it. I left to play SP for the most part.
iRacing is the way to go... Even though its stupid expensive the price is that way to keep these kind of drivers away. Not gonna lie I havent got the guts to get iRacing because I feel like I am not good enough and people will get pissed with me.
@@Costiii You'd be surprised by the amount of shit players in iRacing, still best way to go if you want amazing racing.
@@Costiii iracing is terrible. you can't play at your own time, the physics aren't great, the graphics are super dated and (the actual deal breaker:) it's super expensive. just... go play automobilista against the AI. racing is pretty solid against those, the phsyics and sound are great and the graphics... well, they're as dated as iracing, i guess.
I used to race like that last guy, back when I played a lot of forza. as of recently i've started getting into sim racing properly, playing assetto corsa and ACC a lot and im really trying to focus on learning to overtake/ race cleanly and i think i've got a lot better. my SA can still use some work in ACC but im enjoying racing so much more now that im actually trying to avoid collisions haha
A FRENCH MUSTANG. technically thats all you need to say.
You're in a unique position as a content creator for this game in that you can feel like you achieved some "justice" by calling them out on this public forum. Dont try and get revenge during the race; Let your fans do it for you in the comment section!
That lunge is so far back that when he gets to the normal turning speed, you're already about to exit the first part of the chicane. You're ahead for three tenths and well, even Danny Ric won't make that
I may be the only person to never have gotten one bad opponent in this game.
I don't even own a playstation.