Almost 4 Hours of Bat Form-only Dracula - Dead by Daylight
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2025
- Rules: no camping, tunneling, or power usage outside of Bat Form. This was way too effective. Overall, Dracula and Spirit perform different at loops but I think Dracula has too many upsides.
/ scottjund
Spoiler Alert: Scott accidentally goes into Wolf form more times than survivors that escaped.
the big difference is that you can actually see the bat form and know it's exact location unlike spirit which is invisible
@@davidcorodeanu4535 no you literally see gras moving and hear vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@@LuvShiramine if there is grass and yes you can hear spirit but it's way harder for dracula you see him 100%
@davidcorodeanu4535 true but Spirit might not even be able to use her power. She has a 15 second cooldown, bat form has no cooldown.
@erg1947 yes they should add at least 5-10 seconds cool down to the bat
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oh jeez i thought it was gonna be 3 and a half hours of scott talking about dracula bat form but gradually repeating himself and including more words like an essay
Lol, he might be lazy but he is not cheap to do content like this
junketsu ryuko spotted hell mf yeah
If Dracula needs to be talked about in the same discussion as Nurse and Blight, then so be it. If bat form into vampire form and swinging is too quick and doesn't let survivors react and needs to be nerfed, then so be it. I just hope the upcoming change for him in November doesn't mean he is getting nerfed too hard. For me he's the most fun killer they have released since Chucky or Wesker, so for him to be nerfed because he is one of the top three killers, would be a huge shame. If he gets over nerfed next month, it would really make me wonder why they are fine with Nurse and Blight being the top two killers for years.
People have this weird idea that Dracula is some mediocre B-tier, at a push A-tier killer that people are picking on for maybe being a little unfun to face when in reality current Dracula should be talked about among the top tiers like Blight and Billy (Nurse is always going to be an exception because she doesn't play the video game).
Agreed, I have no idea where they get it from. I've always thought his kit was overloaded AF and I'm happy Scott is endeavouring to demonstrate it. Bat form aside, Hellfire is also not anywhere near as situational as people like to claim.
I wonder if they'll ever find a way to actually make a good Nurse bearable to go against. Like with Blight, at least you can use terrain against him and he has to respect loops in a physical sense. Nurse just teleports through that shit and boom lmao.
Probably the biggest "downside" to Dracula currently is that his players see "I have three powers. I should try to use all three because they are likely equally strong." They basically waste time in Dog Mode which gives survivors chances to get away.
He's not close to top 3
@@Katana314not entirely, if you know how to rebound well with wesker and practice the tile hitboxes with Dracula, it can be used around a lot of tiles & sky wolf too-
But I agree it is the lesser of the powers, although it is a strong hold w punish if they don’t get range from exhaustion or a hit but you have to be precise, it also forces survs to drop pallets which can then in turn be used for teleports for Medusa hair or to build stacks with sylph feather
the big difference is that you can actually see the bat form and know it's exact location unlike spirit which is invisible
He can literally dash in batform unlike spirit who had to walk.
@@helheimpandahe gets a slowdown when gets out of bat form on top the audio being more weird than spirit because hover over survivors
@@cagecage3444 Scott had minimal trouble with this as we see in this exact 4 hour video with the exception of some maps (with the audio being silent on some of them).
Just finished watching this... Great video Scott!
Me too, every minute
Oh totally
the big difference is that you can actually see the bat form and know it's exact location unlike spirit which is invisible
love the transition from "90% survivors suck" in to "that makes sense, that makes sense" XD
Vile scott
I can now edge for 4 hours to you
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Are you still gooning?
@@thegoatman43 3 more hours 2 go
Pics or it never happened
@@rollinallonce?????????
Dear Scott. We at behavior hear your complaints and are changing the dark lords transformation cool down to 3 minutes but in order to balance out this change we tweaked hellfire pillars to hit everyone within the terror radius
1:06:30 I can confirm that the Adam Coat does not have the correct Specular value applied.
In Unreal Engine, Specular value determines the strength of how much light is reflected off of materials. All camper material instances have a base specular value of 0.1
This Adam's coat's specular value is set to 0. Which means all of the light reflection is purely done by the Normal file. Which really only gives off the details of it looking like cloth.
modder spotted in the wild
@@boostedbilly5779 👋Making some of the best mods for old versions of the game--- I try
Sounds like BHVR screwing things up again, they are not very good at their jobs.
This really is just Spirit with infinite power duration, no cool down, and the added ability to teleport to / phase over vaults. Bat form definitely needs a nerf because there's no way Spirit needs a buff when she's already one of the best killers.
Except getting out of bat form slows you down AND survivors can see you AND they get a visual sound indicator.
Now repeat this with Spirit and see if you do worse.
EDIT: Regardless of if MMR counts for the event, I do feel like the event winrates in general are a lot lower for Survivors, given the lopsided nature of the void and survivors wasting time in there. I wonder if there is data anywhere for it
The part that sold me, was you getting stunned as a bat, coming out and still getting a hit. Just ... what? What is the survivor supposed to do if getting a stun isnt good enough to even get away for 1 second? This shit is broken. At its worst getting a stun should always get a survivor at least 1 or 2 seconds of getting away, if the killer has some way to negate the pallet the stun at least should buy some time. If a killer doesnt have a way to negate the pallet then they should make significant distance, they got the stun, they need a reward what the fuck is this.
Scott has enduring to be fair but yeah it's fucking stupid anyway
Vault back over the pallet that he didn’t kick y’all love to justify being bad
@@STARLEYMAYHEM that doesnt work if they stun me on the same side of the pallet, i get a hit there every time with Enduring
It’s because the survivors are dogshit, you shouldn’t be getting stunned on the same side. You have time to react accordingly after he transforms into drac form
@@sparx1599 You should still not be immediately punished for landing a stun
1. you can see and hear the bat thus easily counterable, unlike spirit which u can only somewhat hear where she is AND she can attack straight out of it
2. he cant attack for a brief period after transforming, plenty of time to make some distance except for rare occasions that he body blocks
this idea that bat is some god tier thing is just silly to me, the amount of batshit stupid mistakes these survivors made in some of the games is just baffling as well
Remember Everyone! MMR is only active until you wait like 2 minutes, then it turns off.
(Please do not confuse 2v8's queue issues with MMR missing)
thats another reason i did the event. event queues were 5 seconds, regular queues were 5 minutes
@@ScottJund I only go to where good queue times are when events are on (Aside from 2v8)
Wait, are you serious? where from is that info?
Also I was convinced that every event mode (anniversary, haunted by daylight, chaos shuffle, 2v8) has no MMR
If this is true then lmao why are they keep MMR if it works for 5% of the time maybe? What is funny - if someone dodges the lobby MMR is missing for this spot too. Its bs
@@anettelma123 I cannot even begin to think of when this was mentioned in a stream once- you just have to know this from almost a year ago...
I really wish I could give you the source location but it's been way too long -_-, I can guarantee almost every big streamer knows this info tho!
@@pigeon_chest So MMR exists on paper but not in practise for most of the time. What a joke...
Dracula has the old spirit design where he forces you into 50/50s over and over again and no one really likes that kind of gameplay. Even in fighting games, mix-up characters that just force you into 50/50 over and over as their game plan are hated because there's no real skill in coin flipping and guessing.
In fighting games winning 50/50s are definitely not considered zero skill involved. Grabs for example, pros break out of them at a much higher rate than 50%, and new players will often never break out of grabs. Even though technically there’s two choices, understanding of the game can still help you decide what button to press to break out of that grab instead of just blindly guessing. As an example, if someone is in the corner and grabs you, you can assume that they’re going to try to throw you into the corner. If they don’t the main benefit they’ll get from the grab is the damage and resetting neutral. If mixups didn’t exist in fighting games at all then every single attack would be react-able at the highest levels of play. Instead of people complaining that 50/50s are unfair, they’d be complaining that they can’t damage some players because all they do is block and punish constantly. I'm not super experienced in the genre and I’m sure someone else in the comments could correct/explain what I said better than me, but just wanted to comment because the idea of mix-ups always meaning zero skill involved and solely luck, is fundamentally wrong
@@Dinkleberg77 Grabs are not a 50/50, your whole example makes no sense. There are not two choices during a grab in neutral, there is a billion choices i could tech, i could jump, i could crouch tech option select, i could hit him before he gets into range.
Grabs in a traditional fighter like sf where they have unreactable startup frames are only a 50 50 during oki when you have no meter. in that scenario you need to tech or block as you dont have access to an invincible reversal making it a 50 50. however this is still completely different as taking the grab will kick you out to a far tech roll range and reset to neutral thus getting you out of an oki vortex unlike getting hit. which is where the addage of 'take the grab' comes from.
So in short, drac is nothing like this. constant skillless 50 50s are bullshit. if fighting games were like this then in an oki situation both getting hit and getting grabbed would loop oki into another 50 50 and no one would play them.
@@rampagerhino5434 I’m glad someone commented this too, true 50/50s aren’t really common in fighting games and yes you have many defensive options. Mix up combos too for example aren’t always blindly guessing, tech like fuzzy blocking can exist that allows you to block both variations of their mixup. I was never trying to say dbd 50/50s are skillful like fighting games lol, I was just pointing out how assuming mixups equals complete luck and zero skill in fighting games like the original commenter said aren’t true
I was referring to when you’re in the actual grab aswell. Obviously you have more options to also prevent grabs in fighting games and aren’t constantly forced into them in a balanced game. I’m confused why you say looping oki into another 50/50 would make no one play fighting games though. That to me already sounds like it happens. Learning neutral is probably also more overwhelming to new players than 50/50s because of the amount of variables to consider. Yes a lot will be react-able, but most players do not take the time to learn, fighting games already have majority of their playerbases fall off within a couple months
You also mentioned an example of a true 50/50 grab, and that still has more nuance to it than DBD’s 50/50s. Again, the reason I mentioned this is because the comparison to fighting game mixups didn’t make sense to me and clearly you agree
Hence why people have a problem with Ken and Zangief at the moment for SF6.
Wow that was a crazy 4 hours video. Only scott can make 4 houra worth of content feel like 20 minutes.
The sheer amount of DC's that enduring caused 💀
This guy is hell bent on getting Dracula bat form nerfed.
The problem is BHVR will nerf it TOO much. Did they ever nerf it?
@ they nerfed his cooldown coming out of bat form. So yes. At first you were able to freely come in & out of it.
We're gonna get NEGA Scott next, but in Draq form.
Dracula is right behind Nurse and Blight atm. Anyone who doesn’t think so hasn’t faced a good one yet. It’s sad because I really want to play more of him, but after what I’ve played so far I can’t in good conscience.
I think a really good Hillbilly is even more powerful than Dracula but being good at Hillbilly actually requires skill and time, Dracula has a braindead power.
Its the same shit we had with forever Freddy, a power strong enough to be among the 4 strongest and so easy to use you can master the killer in 1 hour.
Yeah and the people who defend him are probably just unoptimally playing the killer so they make him seem way worse than he is. Dracula isnt a B tier killer, the players that use him are.
@@tmoney1487 it’s funny to me, they always just call you a “survivor main” and act like that’s a mic drop. But I play killer too and whenever I do I realize these guys just don’t know what they’re talking about. They just don’t play survivor at all, and so they don’t want to have their experience change at all.
The fact that anyone is saying “he’s like Vecna, survivors just don’t want to use counter play” is crazy. Vecna has tons of counter play and cooldowns to manage for reasonable powers.
Dracula just straight up has better powers in every sense with less skill required to use, and no cooldowns at all.
It's crazy maybe it's my playstyle but I have more issues against a good Drac than the other 2.
I just like playing him for the cool chase music and his dapper cape.
Chase music got boring quick (I went vs 12 Draculas in a row when he released)
That’s fair, I’m the kind of weirdo who listens to the same for hours without getting bored of it
Welp you won’t find him fun once they gut his kit because people complain too much for being bad
@@STARLEYMAYHEMur in all these replies crying. Hes gonna be fine after the nerf
@@BoostedGamer No he won’t so stop yapping you’re mad because you lose almost every game and complain about a killer because your terrible
Otz looks a lil different today
finally the most annoying part of dracula is being shown, his impressive pecs and massive butt
I don’t always agree with every one of Scott’s takes, but I really respect that he had a view and did this to prove his hypothesis.
This is just better than spirit like 0 cd, no time limit, goes over pallets and windows, and stronger map traversal with window teleports
And a lot more counterplay 😂😂 good spirit will shit on every dracula
in a vaccum at a specific loop spirit is without a doubt better, but that ignores literally everything else that goes in a game
@@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ Except there isn’t a lot more counterplay? Being able to physically see the bats or a slight m1 cd out of transforming (which I guess you’re getting at-you can track spirit btw, if you are) does not deny the rest of the kit nor does it actually affect chase (outside of certain 50/50 scenarios at dropped pallets, which dracula doesn’t even have to 50/50 as he can just go over the pallet). Also, dracula always has 2 other powers that give him hits in scenarios spirit won’t ON TOP OF his stronger map traversal
@@Tatertwat05 my guy the bat over pallet works on idiots a good spirit literally is 80/20 against dracula there is so many counters pls learn to play
@@Tatertwat05 don’t even bother this guy trolls on Dracula on every video posted saying ‘spirit is better’ yet makes no foundational arguments that actually provide any talking points or debate, he just argues and trolls saying spirit is better and Dracula sucks, which, if Scott can win this many games without even touching his other powers… speaks for itself.
Spirit can use her power for one chase or one map traversal then has to wait out a hefty cooldown and REQUIRES broken flute to even compare to drac, but that’s on a singular chase, Dracula breaks every spirit argument there is because he does everything she can do without any add ons comparing her to using her best, ignore pallets & windows entirely & still has access to 2 other damaging powers, a teleport, free tracking/built in bloodhound, third person perspective, short killer height, free boosts of speed, he is incredibly strong in chase and will sh*t on any spirit anyday, especially on the macro, micro maybe there are very slight chances spirit can outplay drac but that is entirely rng and based on the tile, which no one has full control over in the overall grand scheme of a map & where chase begins,
So, again, Dracula is just everything spirit does at best, with more, specifically the ability to freely fly over pallets, if spirit gets into a position where a pallet locks her out of any location, that’s it, she loses the chase, loses the survivor, loses her power & has a terribly long cd.
In that exact same scenario, which is supposed to more or less be a survivors ‘get out of jail free’ card, Dracula can just fly over the pallet, and has now turned a free escape into a 50/50, if he loses that 50/50, he can 50/50 again in 2.4 seconds, and then again, and then again, and then again.
Spirit WISHES she had that kind of power.
He went to JULLIARD, Scott! Can't you just let him HAVE this?!?
It might be tough watching four hours of M1s and bat form
I don't entirely care because the level I'm playing him on and against this isn't an issue. The only reason I don't want him to change is the fear that they won't be able to keep his kit feeling fluid and coherent. At the very least they cannot change the transformation speed and cooldown because rapidly changing forms is his spiel.
Also this playstyle looks absolutely miserable to play him as. And Scott is only doing it to prove a point. How much of a problem is this really (going to be)? You're telling me the majority of players would prioritize winning in a way that frustrates or bores them because it's efficient over their own enjoyment?
@Oceaan25 I mean yeah, thats how it works in high MMR. People care waaaaay more than winning than they do about having fun during the match.
Also the issue isnt the cooldown between form switching, its the cooldown of being able to use hellfire or pounce or M1 after swtiching.
@@Oceaan25how is it miserable when the fluidity makes him great which no other killers have
@@cagecage3444 Yeah, the fluidity is what I'd want them to preserve at all costs if they feel the need to tweak him.
Had no idea he could do this lmao. Usually just use it for transversal, why I was confused that the slow addons even existed at all
Bro really doubled down on the bat form being better than spirit debate. I do agree tho Dracula is basically an amalgamation of about 3 killers in one and it's ridiculous.
Every fucking time a killer releases, I’ve been right about basically everything
Sounds like you actually use logic and not feelings. 💪
@@FridaysJanKenPon exactly. Lot of these clowns don’t know how the game works.
I ate my socks in protest to Scott playing wolf form
I agree with you Scott. I feel like you’re catching heat for a very tame opinion. Yes, spirit can be better in some cases, but he’s better at a lot of things (maybe a majority of things). Regardless, no aspect of bat form should be better than spirit.
I think the shapeshift cooldown should be reverted back to its original length but he’s really not better than spirit. I mean the sheer fact alone that spirit not only goes invisible but doesn’t have a visual indicator of where she is when she’s invisible makes her a HUGE accessibility problem. At least Dracula is visible and has a visual heartbeat while he’s in bat form.
I can't believe Dracula was the Bat Jund Killer
Ppl defending Dracula play him and don't want him to be busted anymore 😂😂
i forgot to pause this and went to do something else, came back 2 hours later, i was wondering how the pc didn't automatically turn off -- this was playing the whole time. You're welcome for the free watch time
Came for the video
Came to the video
Kreygasm
I agree with your sentiment that Dracula and specifically bat-form is overtuned at the moment and needs to be nerfed but this "experiment" is essentially useless for so many different reasons.
Yeah, exactly this. It's like the slugging "experiment" again.
He should probably get a longer stun like wraith in bat form
If anything this video is making me think bats are a lot better than spirit, not just a little or just on par. Bats can teleport significant distances (like you did to get out of the far dead dawg basement straight to gallows gen), bats can mindgame god pallets/vaults by just hovering over them, with enduring survivors can't even stun you to try and get away, the swing out of bats isn't even that slow to compensate, AND there's no cooldown, AND you can stay in bats forever to give drac some of the best map mobility in the entire game, AND he's 115 instead of 110, AND he's quieter than spirit to make it way easier to hear them, need I go on? And that's just for bats, he still has hellfire and wolf lmao.
The bat form is crazy. But what does everyone think of the new mori system? I've been slugged at the end almost everytime I don't escape. Anyone else??
And I don't mean slug everyone one. I mean when there's 2 survivors left.
Its really dumb, its like allot of these killers have never used a mori before. It took a strategy that was already pretty good (slugging the last 2 for the 4k) and then rewarded it even further. All for the possibility that they can sell more mori animations in the future.
how are there killers with half a power like myers meanwhile this guy has literally 2 alternate forms and they are like "hmmm not enough tools lets give him a ranged m2 and a tp"
ayckshually scott survivors just need to learn the counterplay
Finally Scott June content
I wanna play Dracula now this looks fun af
that thumbnail is amazing
"come november it will probably be nerfed"
that didnt age poorly at all lol
Bat form drac is just like, the most unneccessary killer power ever made. I think he should ONLY be able to teleport to vaults and pallets with bat form, and if you dont teleport in like 3 seconds after switching to bat form, it switches u back to drac.
Any killer who can instantly make up any lost distance with no downside is just not okay.
Bro is the epitome of Crying Survivor main plus he mains sables so it make sense bat form is not overtuned it actually got nerfed so he cant hit right away its easily counterable even more so than spirit cause you can see it stop complaining holy -
how are you so confidently wrong it has only been significantly buffed
“Crying survivor main” on a three hour vod of killer gameplay is just hilarious to me
1.2 seconds its just ridiculous, didn't know it was THAT short of a time
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You're probably right but when you say that the event uses your MMR, it just doesn't adjust your MMR, I'd really like to see the source cited for this information because just from my own (albeit admittedly anecdotal) experience, the average event game seems to be considerably easier for me than my standard games. Out of all the games I've played during the event, which is considerable, I can count on one hand how many times more than a single survivor escaped.
Peanits the community manager directly said it uses MMR on the forums. idk how to find his post specifically but i am positive he did.
@@ScottJund cool, thanks for the info. Appreciated.
I believe MMR is used. I too have noticed event games are significantly easier though. Wonder why.
Everybody prepare: Dracula defenders are incoming.
I already saw ones "They shouldn't nerf him because this is the only killer I like to play as"... Let's think - WHY
@anettelma123 that's the best argument I've ever heard
In the next thumbnail, replace the killer hands in the gameplay section with you own hands
Seeing scratch marks isn't the issue imo.
It's the lack of cooldown and very fast basic attack uptime after coming out of batform.
I'm thinking a 3.5-4 second cooldown on bat form and a 1.5-2.5 second window before you can basic attack after transforming out of bat-form will really bring down that ability to be used as a strong looping tool without utilizing the hinder addon is gonna really bring it down.
That sounds awful and clunky.
lengthening cooldowns is never fun and almost never the answer, it just makes the killer feel worse to play too much
@@anshd927 It's not as clunky as original bat-form, and the form invalidates spirit currently. Removing scratchmarks doesn't change the core issue of the form.
That is always gonna be the main problem I feel.
How quick he can just shapeshift and swing.
Scratch marks like some people suggest doesn't do a lot, just see Spirit.
It should be Vecna FLY like in my opinion, not Spirit like.
So maybe not so much on the transform cooldown but the transform back should be a slowdown/longer M1 cooldown.
@@Kizen. While there are still several things spirit can do better, what really invalidates her is outdated killer design(and a truck load of nerfs). Demo, freddy, myers, ect all have this problem with newer killers that have a less cumbersome and better designed version of that power.
I don't really mind losing scratch marks or taking slightly longer to transform out of bat. I just don't want to see the usual "stand there unable to interact with anything for several seconds" that bhvr slaps on everything.
I could even see changing cds on all three forms abilities as the killer seems to be designed around freely utilizing the form that suits the situation best. Everyone is just hyper fixating on bat form but hellfire has a very low cd.
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You said this was the best counter 4 man you could’ve faced but I swear this body block was just embarrassing, like how do you mess that up so hard with 2 blocking. I’ve seen solos coordinate body blocks better than that, they literally just ran away from her how do they mess that up that hard.
Messing up something as simple as that, that badly, and their looping overall tells me they weren’t the best tbh.
My main problem with Dracula, and really BHVR's recent killer design philosophy in general, is that the devs are giving killers essentially 2-3 powers in one package. I get that they're licensed characters, but come on. Wolf mode could have been power for a werewolf killer. Hellfire doesn't fit the vampire esthetic at all. I can excuse Vecna based on the fact that it's a D&D chapter, so it deserves to be unique like that, but making your vampire killer a firebender who can transform into a wolf is stupid, even if it is lore accurate to the anime you sourced your inspiration from.
Hellfire fits this version of Dracula. It's one of his signature attacks in the games.
I want to see more of a focus on the dog form ngl just because... 7/20 of his addons are meant for the wolf form. Like one of em is for wolf and regular form but at least 2 or 3 of em are scent orb addons. Wolf form is the only form that uses the scent orb. Theres a very funny accidental bias here with the wolf form i think but im not sure. 😂
I was literally expecting him to float around uselessly as a bat for 4 hours. Disappointing
I just want the dog to be useful, they can gut bat form if they want
I just don't understand how he turns into multiple bats, what is producing the other ones?
thats what the bat form looks like all the time?
@@Stadtfeldi ik, but why?
@@8bitSpartan141 His physical form is the main larger bat in the middle
The rest of the bats are a manifestation of his power.
Does that made up explanation satisfy your curiosity?
@@LeMustache my curiosity is insatiable
Damn this game just became literally unplayable now
Excuse me Mr Jund, I have gotten a 2k in just bat form and only bat form. Gitgud
Scott man Idk if I can last 3 hours and 31 minutes it's gonna start chafing after awhile
Wow is that dracula tom scott from the hit series dead by daylight???? 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
i've been scammed, i thought dracula replaced scott
Scott, based on playing only bat form for three hours, what changes do you feel like you’d make to tune bat form? What changes would nerf bat form without making it useless, and also not make it feel clunky to play?
i just dont want you to be able to swing 1 second out of bat form. literally just make it the 2.5s cooldown all shapeshifts have
@ I was thinking the same thing. When Dracula was released, I felt like he felt clunky to play, and bat form felt useless. After his buffs, he felt so much more smooth and fun to play, but I agree bat form got overturned. I feel like making him wait 2.5 seconds out of bat form before he can swing would be a good change. One of these days BHVR should bring you onto their balance team. Love your insights and vids Scott!
y’all were downplaying this killer man
Still don’t think he’s crazy op or anything. Sorry but winning against bad survivors isn’t hard. Bat form is good but if it’s literally any worse Dracula will just suck. Bat form is just a good power and imo doesn’t need nerfing
I think wolf form would be alot better if the speed boost was based off scratch marks instead of weird scent orbs, just seems more inuitive, youd know to swap when you see them unlike scent orbs which you cant even see. And havent had a killer power play off scratch marks yet, very "tracky".
Would probably fit it into the design behavioir seems to want of it being the tracking transform, so follow scratch mark trials.
Can someone explain to me how the bat form is OP? I don’t really play against really good draculas and never see them utilizing it, and even in this video I still don’t get it
it gets compared to Spirits entire power because it functions similarly. but, he also has 2 other powers on top of that, so it kinda doesn't make sense if one of his powers is as good or nearly as good as Spirit's entire power.
Insane map pressure because he moves fast and can teleport. Good in chase because survivors make no distance (because it is so fast) low cooldown on shape-shifting and cooldown between shape-shifting and attacking. He can pressure gens and hooks super easily because of the teleport
Must suck having brain damage.
Easiest explain: You get hit and have a short sprint - Dracula transforms into bat form, catches up and you get another hit. Also, if he uses "Medusas hair" and catches you near a dropped pallet or window, you get hindered effect for 5 seconds. And even if someone doesn't play Bat form for most of the time, it's like teleporting nurse. Huge pressure on the map if he has barbecue&chilli and for example Grim Embrace. Maybe you are good looper but most survivors will go down very fast against dracula using his Bat form often and makes all the distance disappear after the hit
@@ScottJund Thanks for the info, will def play some Dracula before he gets nerfed 👍
i want a buff to wolf form with the haste and to have a cooldown on bats + remove seeing scratch marks. It should not be used for chase AT ALL and wolf form should be used for tracking
Nah, bat form is fine and im blaming you for its nerf
>:( *copium
Did it ever get nerfed?
This is clickbait he goes into vampire form Kappa
bitch i have to hit people >:(
yeah this was the final straw for me. unsubbed 💔 /s
@@ScottJund i know, im just joking around sorry :( i made the same bad joke on twitch chat
i-turn-into-batula
now do matches when you only M1 and you'll see you'll still rekt those survivors
i'd probably say they should remove the ability to destroy in bat form and increase the time before m1ing and bat form should be fine then, as well as wolf buffs ofc
They need to reduce the time for being able to hellfire or pounce after transforming or else the problem will remain.
Event doesn't have MMR. Scott really just beat babies and proudly said that is bat form is overpowered lmao.
You are objectively wrong. The mode absolutely uses MMR it just doesn't modify it
What do you think about turning it into mobility tool which is by the way what it's supposed to be I think by removing the visiblity of scratch marks while in bat form?
No visibility didn't stop Mother Daughter ring Spirit. Certainly doesn't stop me and my cheap headset
Should probably clarify that youre running the addon that makes shapeshift speed even quicker btw, as it provides a massive difference in how bat form works at resources like windows and pallets. on top of this just watching your 10stage game the only reason they fucked up was cause you faked hellfire which caused them to dodge.
As shown in multiple games the players you are up against are also just refusing to play pallets and choosing to greed instead of insta dropping, no clue why even in the first game the soma chose to greed a third vault against a bl1 drac at shack? weird plays by these survs
eh the thing is if i see a survivor knows to play the pallet i will just immediately kick and catch back up in like 6 seconds. if we're chewing through pallets every 10 seconds a non comp team aint winning IMO
the 10 stage game on Eyrie was also 10 stage because footsteps literally do not exist on that map and the entire team had Iron will and multiple stealth perks. like a perfect concoction to counter specifically what i was doing.
@@ScottJund You don't play only pallets as surv then, when drac is in bat you should be focusing on window vaults that you can safely play with 50/50s, again as ive told you on twitter. Travelers hat makes this alot more in your favor as the dracula player which is why that addon needs to get gutted. The problems youre speaking of seem to be focused on new killer syndrome stuff which is fair, licensed killers seem to suffer the most from this as their meant to be easier to play for the players they are trying to grab through the releases
Iron will is a relatively common perk now that its gotten buffed, i don't think thats a "perfect concoction, as its just around alot now
The pallet comment was more so referring to the fact that you were just sitting in vampire mode bl1 following them around and theyd greed, i understand what you mean by your comment but thats not what i was referring to
@@domoallcaps i feel like "safely play with 50/50's" is a little bit of an oxymoron. that doesn't sound very safe at all and it costs dracula almost no time to guess wrong and just try again. i agree with you on traveller's hat to be fair.
also it wasnt just the iron will, its the combination of iron will and Eyrie notoriously having virtually no footstep sounds on sand
@@ScottJund again, i would implore you to please try this without travelers hat and preferably against survs that dont do what the mikaela does at 1:01:47 for example, why does she drop the pallet, see you go into bat and just run past the vault location.
The comment of "safely play window 50's" is exactly that, its a better scenario than holding w and just taking a hit when you can take the risk at a window vault instead, if i were to be completely fair in this situation, trav hat puts this interaction into dracs favor but without travs hat drac loses these pretty consistently against survs that dont make rash decisions consistently
Also guessing wrong as drac is literally a +5s to a loops timer just by fucking up, yes you can keep doing it but once again without trav hat this happens more often than you may be thinking
Negula Scott incoming
Hey scott guys here
Now do it without headphones
Would you place Dracula above spirit?
You're batman?
I saw some Man form in there too
bat form's just better spirit
Bat form players been real quiet since this dropped.
Buff both forms and just put them on a long CD
This entire killer is severely overtuned and I feel like discourse around him is not reflectong that. He's being talked about like Vecna when in reality he's as powerful if not better than Blight and right under Nurse. This is legitimately one of the most oppressive and outright unfair killers they've ever added. Every single time I play him, it's a free 3/4k. He feels like he takes ao little skill to be good with because of how stacked his kit is.
The worst part about this stupid killer is not having any blood related abilities and not even getting a castlevania CASTLE map out of the chapter. This chapter has been milked so hard for cosmetics/events too. I just do not think this was a healthy update for the game.
Can't wait for this fun and creative killer that I have been enjoying to be rendered unplayable in the upcoming patch. Thanks guys!
i mean its already happening according to behaviour. i'd have zero input it at this point
Yep... this type of stuff made me quit... might try to comeback though
He was already slated for changes in the roadmap, so i don't see the problem with this kind of video personally...
Fun and creative? He just copied a bunch of other killers powers, slapped some different animations on them, and called it a day. Vecna is fun and creative, Dracula is a hack that's a jack of all trades master of none.
Can you delete this video pls? I don't really like it. Thanks!
sure man
1.2 seconds is something I didn't even know it's that quick to transition from Bat form to m1, I would like to see if it was 1.5 seconds cuz if it was like more than 1.5 seconds it might make him too clunky so I think 1.5 seconds instead of 1.2 might be ok
1.2 is with the addon I think
@@imnotyourshadow if so, then I didn't catch that part.
@@imnotyourshadow no, its 1.125 with the addon
@@ScottJund damn, well I hope if they nerf his shapeshift speed and bat form they buff the wolf a bit because it’s very niche rn, basically only good at specific loops and the rare perfect spacing where it’s better than bat
@@ScottJund than maybe around 1.35 to 1.5 seconds might be good if they will adjust that I think it should be 1.2 seconds with the add-on if it's 1.35 seconds at default or 1.35 seconds with the add-on and 1.5 seconds at default.
Another BAD Scott post 💋
I love you
Period
Since you don't do streams here anymore can you start doing those old "I'm live now" videos again?
but im live almost every day on twitch lol that would be so annoying
yes
Yea but well you could 27 hook every single game playing no trap Trapper, its NA after all
he did say that he was probably going to win most of his matches anyway, like he and most other streamers usually do.
@@usedhalfcart Yep, especially on NA
hi scott
Maybe it’s just me but Top tier killers are really not that hard to counter. I’ve went against 10k+ hour killers using nurse, blight, Dracula, they really don’t apply much pressure to someone who knows how to loop and counter ability attacks correctly
The they're not good killers
This is how I feel. Dracula in this case is nowhere near as oppressive as some people make him out to be. From playing as and against him he’s good, strong even but not the checkmate everyone says
@@jasonsummerfield4505 yep agreed
ok, if you're at a pallet with Drac sitting on top of you as a bat with Enduring, how do you counter him?
@@Katana314 he has to go into wolf or vampire form in order to hit you which takes a few seconds after leaving bat form . So you’d continue running around the pallet/loop you are at and waste his time even more