Freightliner cascadia CPC4 failure internal inspection shortage high prices problems how to fix it
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Topics discussed :
why the cpc4 is so expensive
what is the internal damage of a cpc4 after goes bad
how to repair a cpc4
common problems after a cpc4 failure
cpc4 shortage in 2022
symptoms of the fault are:
engine does not start
engine dos not accelerate
engine does not run well
spn 609 fmi 12
spn 2623 fmi 8
spn 3510 fmi 7
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CPC survivor here. He is absolutely right about diagnosing other issues. Most mechanics plug their laptops and see a bunch of CPC codes and are quick to say it's the CPC which is what happened in my case. Turns out all the codes that I had were being set off by sensors on the same wiring harness. This was before the back order issue so I went through 2 CPC's till we figured that out. Have your mechanics try out your supposed bad CPC on another Cascadia before anything.
First thing you do when diag a cpc issue you should connect to truck and if you cannot connect to cpc you should check diagnostics 9 pin connector for battery voltage and ground if that checks out then check 1939 + which should be 2.6v and 1939 - which should be 2.3 if that checks out then remove the negative battery cable and set multi meter to resistance and test 1939 + and 1939 - resistance value should be 60 ohms . If that checks out check for power ground and signal at cpc and then remove the battery negative and check 1939 wires for resistance 60 ohms . J1939 250k system has green and yellow 1939 wires . J1939 500k system wires are white with green strip and white with yellow strip
Nice video explaining this issue. I have repaired eight cpc4's almost everytime the infinion tri core cpu needs to be removed and reballed. I have a friend who is a diesel mechanic. We have had great success repairing these units. its not an easy repair but totally doable. 💯👍
You Are always very helpful to trucker, as per my experience you are very good person, God bless you and your family with good health.
Man fuck this @freightliner knew this and still sold the shit yet insurance companies don't care I'm finna start a law suit if y'all wanna join I'll make it class action
Always good stuff Francisco 👍🏼
Do u thk when u plug your truck up to keep the engine warm can make it go bad
Thank you for taking the time and posting the video.
When you replace with used one, same year do you have to program it?
Thanks Amaya good to know very interesting
Can I put a 2013 cpc on a 2014 truck plug and play or program it ?
hi brother I have issue almost 6 months no body can find out the broplem my cascadia 2014 is slowdown flat Road 55mph sometimes 60mph can't climb the mountain very slow I change the turbo and I change the cluch nothing is help still same
What symptoms will a bad cpc cause??? Plz let me know
Maya como le hiciste para agarrar una licencia del portal para poder programar y hacer updates?
Hola senor francisco amaya
Buendia
Y bueno yo tengo una pregunta y es la siguiente.
Mire francisco tengoun kenworth 17 t680 y no puedo kitar para afuera el comprssor y nesecito cambiarlo tiene 4 tornillos al lado del bloke min
Podri usted darme un consejo respctua a sepekeno problema ?
Si. O. ........ no
Freightliner came out with an article that before condemning a CPC faulty to perform a hard reset. I personally haven't witnessed this procedure to work but 1 of my coworkers has. Worth a shot.
Do you have a link for this article?
@@kmg501 I will look for it right now. It's in my tool box
Hey do you ever got a link for this article?
@@tonyrose1989 hi Tony, I'm sorry for the delay, the article says just before saying the CPC is bad for the tech to disconnect all connections and disconnect all batteries and allow to sit for 15 mins. Like a hard reset. Has this worked for me yet personally....no but that's what they are saying to do.
@@robertpope3619 ok thank you I’m trying to try anything at this point
Only a true professional can put it back into life! It’s pretty possible then recover it
I have low power when pulling a hill, changed both sensors on fuel rail any suggestions? Please help
First and foremost make sure you don't have a simple fuel or air filter that got clogged. Even if it was just a month ago changed. Next easy common failure for power on Cascadia/DD15 is the Delta P Sensor. Takes 15 mins to change. After do a Fuel Pressure (Bar) Test and Cylinder Compression Test. Check your tanks and fuel filters for metal shavings. Could be also a fuel pump starting to fail.
How much do it cost
Anyway I can order one of these?
I had an issue with the first national back order, water pumps. Now almost a year later and I'm here for the next national back order, cpc module can't be a coincidence
How long is the wait time on yours. I'm in the same boat
I am too Same boat bro. Ordered Jan 14 and Still Waiting
@@larrymendoza759 taking about 4 to 6 weeks
Can't help on this one but other back orders message me and we can probably help. We are usually ahead of the curve on stock before the shortages. Except we didn't charge people $2500 for a $600 water pump or a $700 DEF Pump.
Been down for a month cpc went out. Any recommendations?
Hey Larryd, check out circuitboardmedics.com/freightliner-cascadia-cpc4-module-repair/
The problem is probably in, or rather under, the big square chip. That is what we call a "ball grid array" package. It has no leads, but underneath is a square matrix of gold pads, each with a tiny ball of solder, located over a matching array of pads that connect it to the PCB. The chip is soldered in place in an oven, which melts all of the solder balls at once (at the same time as all the other solder joints on the board). Unfortunately, after a few years of vibration some of those ball connections can crack, and because they are under the chip, you cannot inspect them or rework them without special equipment. These boards can be inspected by X-Ray, which reveals any broken connections. A very well equipped shop will have an X-Ray machine, and further equipment to remove and replace the chip, but we are talking about a capital investment well over $100k, so your local garage repair ship won't have it.
You're right. I took mine too an electronic repair shop and the guy said everything you just said. He also said everything tested good and if anything its gonna be that big chip but he also said alot of times they cannot be fixed. Do you think he said that because he doesnt have the right equipment
@@larrymendoza759 Almost certainly, yes. I have a couple of ECMs here in my shop and I don't have the equipment to fix them or even diagnose them. That chip has an incredible 416 connection pads underneath it in a square matrix. Two things I might try - either work the chip over with a hot air gun to remelt the solder balls, or else strip the battery and meltable plastic connectors off the board and send it through the reflow oven. Either may well write it off permanently.
Anyone who survived the early Pentium and Celeron era will know how to reflow a ball solder array. I'm surprised that people are treating ECU's as consumables. I'm in the wrong business.
@@larrymendoza759 If everything tested good it's your loom or harness. Swap it to a working identical truck and test it that way.
@@pete8751 You've got a reflow oven? Dude, you're set. Just go low and ramp up - better to reflow 20 times and save the part than once and risk destroying it. Test some of the solder the OEM use before trying though to get a temp read on reflow temp.
Fransisco or anyone else know if the truck is deleted does that delete program stay specifically within the cpc? If so aren't all of us who are deleted F'ed when this happens? Even if we could find one?
yes you should be fine I've done it before and everything was working just fine.
Here in Brazil it is easy to get it because it is applied to the Mercedes bez actros
Do you know who I can contact to have one shipped over?
Do you know where this can be purchase?
Thank you
First thing I was wondering was if that battery on the board was still good. Did you happen to check it with a voltmeter? If it's bad, it couldn't hurt to replace it. Doubt if it would fix it but I've heard of weirder things being the problem. Also check the solder joints coming from the board to the connectors. Surface mount electronics are replaceable and can be diagnosed and repaired/replaced- you need hot air soldering/reflow equipment, but it's not something that anyone can do, requires specific techniques and knowledge. Sometimes it's relatively easy though, like the "ring of death" on the Xbox 360's. Their surface mount chips would become loose after enough thermal cycles and they could be fixed by simply heating the board enough to re-melt the solder and make the connections good again. But you have to be careful, use just enough heat to melt the solder but not too much where you damage the chips. If those boards are bad, you don't have much to loose by asking an electronics friend to "reflow the chips" and see if it fixes it. If you want to try an even simpler technique, you could try putting the whole board in an oven at 500 degrees for a half hour or so. I'm not kidding. Of course first you're going to need to take it out of its plastic enclosure box, take any of the plastic connectors off, take the battery off (it will explode at those temps) and set it on something like a cookie sheet. Let it "cook" for a half hour at that temp, then turn the oven off, but DON'T take it out or even touch/jiggle it while it's hot, let the oven cool down all the way before you take it out again. Worst that could happen is it still won't work. Of course that lacquer coating on the board might start smoking and even catch fire, keep an eye on it and abort the mission if it looks like it's going to catch fire. Look at it this way- If it doesn't work, you wasted an hour of time. If it DOES work, you saved thousands of dollars and will be a hero!
I used to do XBOX 360 RROD and E46 repairs years ago. Over 2500 consoles fixed in a year. I was turning out 8-10 consoles a day. Even microsoft was giving people my contact info for years. I hope its as easy as a reflow, I know I'll be trying that method if my CPC goes out. Like you said, worse thing that can happen is it still dont work.
@@WORM1100 it would be cool if you could get Francisco to send you a couple and see if the technique works on them. Think the lacquer coating would be a problem though?
Francisco here in Brazil these cpc 4 don't give as much problems as there
How much cost one like this in brasil?
I would ESR those surface mount capacitors and check the board for cold solder joints.
I have a 2018 Cascadia. Mine was repaired a year ago. An now my warranty out. It decided to do it again. So I new what it was I got it tow to freightliner . Like I said I new it was the cpc again. This time I have to pay full price. If your truck. Says shift to natural. Cpc fail. That's why it is. It will not start
. Will pick it up.tommmrw. also I will get another one for next time. I will get my new fixed. Good class f.
The cpc controls far more than just engine controls...it also controls gear selector, stalk switches, interior lights exc...
It controls powertrain modules tcm acm mcm
It transfers their data via 1939
The MSF controls the stalk switches and interior lights
I found 2 placed in Chicago land that are repairing CPC's. Price is high, but that's just supply and demand economics. I feel better paying someone to repair my CPC then contribute to people stealing them more. MMFiX in Arlington Heights, IL and AVI Electronics in Palatine, IL that are fixing them. Can find them on Google Maps. One of our friends companies used them for 2 already and they say they work great and are brick and mortar stores
MMFiX is 2500 or 2900 for 20-25 days or 5-7 days turn around time. Cash or Zelle only. 1 year warranty.
AVI is 2500 or 4500 for 21-28 days or 3-5 days turn around time. They also take CC for a 3% fee. 3 year warranty.
Thank you for providing thorough information.
LKQ in Spokane WA, siad They have someone that can repair them . Have to send in your core or they will send you one . Cost $3500.
Were is your shop
Were can u find it in your truck
In the dash usually. the new cascadia are located in the passenger side.
@@Tyronetrinity thks
Francisco, I sent my cpc4 to electronic shop, to get fixed. If you share a phone or some contact I will let you know if it can be fixed .
What is the number?
Do you have his number ?
So what was wrong with your cpc? Did the electronics guy give any details?
@@facefromda704 Check out circuitboardmedics.com/freightliner-cascadia-cpc4-module-repair/
The big square chip has broken solder. A company in SC can fix it properly. You can try gently heating bottom side of board under the big square chip with a heat gun. Risky and sketchy but maybe worth a shot to get you home.
You have any contact info for the shop in SC? My truck is down in Florence and I need to get back rolling.
check out a Gentry and Sons Trucking video, he shows a guy that fixes that big chip with specialized equipment. The solders are failing
Towing companies love CPC'S especially if their tow trucks are older than 2010
Hi guys. I had a problem with my Cascadias 2014. We didnt know what the problem was intil we used a Cpc4 from another truck. Our issue was no crank, voltage gauge not working, Def showing red or empty when it was full. I ordered a bew one from freightliner but kept my old cpc4. After many months i havent received the new cpc so i sent my old cpc4 to Curcuit board medics in South Carolina. They fixed it and i got the express package. I wish i hadn't waited so long trusting freightliner . They dint have them and they have no clue when i will get the new one.. So dont let go of your old coc and have it repaired. And be sure you guard that module as if it was a bar if gold because i will get stolen if you dont watch it.
Bro I read about board medics I was little bit hesitant I’m having this issue now I’m writing this comment I’m brrokwdown in Lubbock tx sitting in hotel room give me more details please
I need the address I have same issues sir
Hi. Would anyone be willing me send me broken cpc 4 freightliner I can practice on. We
I have a brand new cpc4 I'm willing to sell. mine went out 10 months ago and i got on the waitlist at the dealership in Northern CA for one right away, I ended up getting a used one when I couldn't wait anymore. Then the dealership called me for my new one this fall. I bought it as a backup since you can't get these, but I could use the cash instead now. it was ordered to match the vin for a 2016 Cascadia automatic.
A mechanic in Irwindale California fixes them he also reapirs Cascadia DT 12 transmission he is located next to irwindale speedway right next in the truck parking lot ask for john
Are you talking about the old swift yard with the sc fuel pumps out in front
@@tombstoneshadow7455 yes the young guy has a repair shop inside the speedway
Do you have his number or address? Please
Lazaro m post his address or phone pls, thanks!!!
@@margaritaviveros8017 Can you post any more information regarding this person? It would mean a lot
After getting my replaced cpc I put it in and still nothing dies it have to be reprogrammed
check your fault codes first to understand the failure
The new has to be programmed by a freightliner dealership 2 hrs worth of labor. I’m running great now.
MM FiX We repair CPC 4 success rate 95%
hi I'm trying to rewire my cpc after get stolen and i done with all wires except one i dont know go where or which pin....wire code is 439N 1512 so please if you can let me know this wire go to which pin..thanks
my recomendation, if you can. check a truck with a similar year to get the pinout of the harness. the blue plug is most accesories. the gray, white and brown are communication and power, most configurations have the same wiring but it must be a similar year.
Send me your last six to your vin and I’ll get you the correct pin outs
I have a 2014 Freightliner Cascadia. I parked it on Friday. It had no issues at all. I started it on Monday with no issues but after it warmed up and I tried to move, the accelerator is not responding at all. I thought the pedal had died. I got my mechanic to come and scan it. He said it is the CPC. I went to the local Freightliner and they told me it cost about $1,500 and I have to return the old one. They said that they don't have it in stock and I have to wait 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, I was told I have to wait at least 60 days before I can get it. A friend of mine who is an automotive electrician called a friend of his who is a mobile truck electrician. The guy said send me a picture of the CPC and when we did, he said that he has it and will come in an hour. I already pulled out the old one by the time he arrived and he plugged the used one and reprogrammed it. That was around the end of August, 2021. So far, I have no issues other than holding my breath. These CPCs can go anytime without warning and there is no place you can get a new one. Freightliner doesn't care about it.
Does he have a other one I’ve been broken down since we wensday it’s very hard to swallow
@@cesarcastillo9561 I typed a reply here but it was removed somehow. Maybe they don't allow it.
What is his phone number?
Moe the deaf Hey how it’s going I need help finding a cpc4 mines just went out I’m here in Charleston sc and no one has none do you have the guy number ?
@@tonyrose1989 The guy that I got from is here in Toronto, ON. That is in Canada. I tried many times to post his number here but it will not show a comment with a phone number at all.
Since Freightliner can't/won't be able to provide replacement cpc4's in a timely manner it's a shame someone with the know how couldn't offer generic replacement units. Even if they outsourced them to Asia. The scarcity and thievery of these things is scary especially since there's no VIN tied to them so thieves can steal with impunity. If people could buy aftermarket units the high value for theft would greatly be reduced. I wonder how complex they really are that a computer for some another device say a game or a phone couldn't be repurposed to do a cpc4's job. Any computer experts out there wanting to make a boatload of money? Get on this please. Tnx.
I work at Frieghtliner and a lot of times it’s not the cpc that failed
The CPC is fixable, you just have to know how to do it and have replacement components. There is a massive business opportunity here waiting for the right people to come along.
There already is th-cam.com/video/HTE64HVVfXM/w-d-xo.html
Problem is getting the parts remember we going through a part shortage
@@JayJay-rg3bs A chip shortage. But most of what blows on ECU's isn't chips. Heck, most ECU errors seem to be harness issues first and foremost.
I am that guy attempting to learn as fast as possible
@@bashkillszombiescan I have notes which explains function of chips inside CPC
The Purge is Real…a wise said he never got ahead in Lyfe by playing by the rules
Hey guys I have multiple cps from crash’s trucks their used but all 100 percent working
Contact info
How much and where are you located?
Ok. I your contact info.i need to buy one for my truck
I won’t let me put my number on their I’m selling it then for 1800
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Send me the info im in ontario ca i need a cpc for my truck
this shit is fixible. hot air station needed or small butane torch ... the problems with these cpx4 are bad solderings of main processor.
all I know is that battery is 3v battery from there im lost wha I know know is a software update can fix it but only dealer has access to it even buy-in a new cpc is like buying a dead brain someone has to program it I have a truck that the cpc wakes up whenever she likes and the codes are a failure device if you have one for sell and match the last numbers with mine ill buy it 🤠
cpc4 cpu reflow=easy repair. Most any computer hardware repair tech can reflow those no problem. Compared to gpus/cpu reflows that's a no brainer.
Owner Operators!!! they are stealing these keep your trucks secured
We do repair CPC4 modules. AVI Electronics.
Avi Electronics Corp fixed my CPC Module. I would highly recommend them.
@@rayperez4246 Thank you.
What’s the cost to repair? I have two of them
@@arturaugustynek670 Now the price is $2500, rush-$3500. We have a lot of orders so the regular repair will take 10 business days
@@avielectronicscorp.1591 we’re you guys located I mean the address
I own car and Computer Electric and I fix them for half the price of others. I've fixed many of them
are you sure where is your location
On my 2016 cascadia evolution CPC gone bad last week , i was stuck on highway no power lost acceleration , and nobody in USA have it in stock ..
I have one. Brand new
@@frankllanas4881 price
@@rmckinnon30 how can I contact you?
i can fix your cpc if you send it to me
I already replaced it , one of my local mechanics put a used one so far it’s been working good , just need to reprogram it
My truck is down because the cpc went bad… And I can’t find one nowhere… I don’t know why they would put something like that in a truck… Just STUPID!!!!!
Mine just went down
Mine went down too week ago…😰😰still looking for used cpc this is confusing
I have multiple if you guy need then used but all working conditions
@@Jp-ml5gb how much ?
I got mine repaired it’s the best option
I've been down for 6months and counting
Mine just went bad 🥺🥺
Why were you setting? How much many did you lose in 6 months. Why don't you buy a used one for 3000 if google it you will see many for sale in your area
@@daahqaad932 if I spend the 3000 and it don't work can you return it ?
There’s a guy in Irving TX who claims he can fix it Please don’t fall that scam me and an other 4 truckers sent our cpc 4 for repairs it came back and still not working just lost money all of us we are in MN we going to court to stop this scam please don’t try to repair it just wait new one for ayear
Yea got me too
Bro you know some good place I do have a same problem in my truck
Did they have warranty?
Fixing an ECU isn't always difficult. It's not a consumable part, that's just sheer ignorance. It depends on what is broken. That said, I know nothing about your TX scammer. But did you test your 'broken' CPC4 unit on a working Freightliner with a direct swap out to ensure it wasn't a harness issue on your truck?
Yup they got me also
Some things bigger than us is going on. Why all over sudden this Parts are failing. It’s almost like they’re doing it for purpose. Electronic warfare maybe? Idk but something isn’t right.
They are trying to create a shortage on purpose but you already knew that
The Purge is Real
Jumpstarting and poor battery maintenance number 1 killer
Does the kill switch hurt the cpc as well?
How does jump starting and poor battery maintenance effect the cpc?
@@dohc1974 under voltage high voltage loads not good for the solder connection to the chip
It is fixable. There is an electronics guy in Florida that fixed one for a friend of mine
Do you have that electronics guy’s contact?
Do you know them my business is relying on one of these
Im in Florida and stuck. Where is he located?
Gentry and Son Channel has Laurence fixing these cpc , nothing interesting here imo
fixing 🤣🤣 just resoldering main processor will bring back to life that pos
How can I get Francisco phone number any body knows
th-cam.com/video/CWX8Qfh9yc4/w-d-xo.html time stamp 10:22 this is the fix
I purchased a used one a damn if the used one isn't going out. I'm tired of this shit.
it’s not the battery, i can fix it .
If you in california... LA inland empire or san diego contact me i can help with this repair.
Necesito arreglar mi cpc
Donde esta localizado?
Why doing the video when you don’t know how to fix or its operation.