As someone who didn't mind the cry scenes, I thought honestly that Broly may associate the cry with the knife to the chest. But your reasoning make more sense since at the end of the movie, Broly himself tried to cry too as means to fight Goku. But he couldn't do it as well unlike when Planet Vegeta was exploding.
I do think him associating Goku's cries with the feeling of being stabbed is a possibility since the story implied that him being impaled by Goku's fist caused him to remember their past together.
Yeah, I never realized Broly cried as a baby when the planet exploded and he powered up. Not to mention both Trunks and gohan cried when they went ss. At least ss2 for Gohan.
Very well explained. When I was younger (12 years old or so) I thought that he was mad just because Goku cried but then later on I watched the japanese version+english sub and there was a scene where Paragus said Goku's ki is the reason why Broly was fighting Paragus's mind control and I never really understood what he meant by that but it always caught my attention. And years later, I've read someone's article on Kanzenshuu which explained the misconception about Broly's motivation and it helped me to understand things in a better way. And yes a lot of people think that Broly became evil because of what happened to him but that's not true at all because the legendary super saiyan is described as a bloodthirsty warrior and that is what Broly truly is. He took great pleasure destroying planets at a very young age and he was laughing while doing it and Paragus also states it in the flashback that Broly became more and more violent as he grew up which is the main reason why he wanted to control his son but once he had control over him he just used him. Broly never showed any regret for doing what he was doing, nor did he show a little bit of sadness, he is always dominant and laughing his a$$ off when he destroys stuff or beats someone's a$$. Now, I don't know if Z Broly would be able to change if he was raised by a good father or if he had friends like S Broly, but I know for a fact that Z Broly is more evil than good.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I’ve always thought Broly was one of the best villains in anime history. Definitely in dragon ball history. It makes me really mad that they brought Broly back the way they did. The new Broly seems to be a mockery of how people interpret the old Broly. But when you understand that people’s interpretation of the old Broly is extremely flawed, it feels like they just fed that portion of the fan base their own misunderstandings. They knowingly misinterpreted their own character to placate fans who also didn’t understand. The level of disrespect to the OG Broly is insane and I’m mad that he’s not canon. Also, unrelated, but GT is vastly superior to Super.
@Zach Smith I share a lot of the same sentiments as you, Toei implemented all the flanderizations of the original Broly into Super Broly. Dragon Ball Super essentially repeated many of the same aspects as GT, except in a far worse manner.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 there were a lot of things wrong with GT and it certainly didn’t live up to Z or the original DB. But comparing it to Super, GT seems a lot better. Yeah some of the fights were bogus and a lot of the animations were cheap and poorly done, but the writing was flat out superior. The stories are much better done in GT than in Super. Super has better animation but there’s no replacement for quality writing. But back to Broly, it bugs me so much how badly people misunderstand his character. I think part of it is from the video games. I played dragon ball (PS3) and budokai tenkaichi 3 (Wii) and basically everything with him was just “KAKAROT!” For newer fans who grew up on the video games but didn’t get to see the original movie, or maybe only saw the second movie, I can see how a misunderstanding like that can happen. But for people who watched the original movie and STILL misremember Broly in such a way as to think he’s not an all time anime villain… idk what to say to that. He was a hulking monster with an insatiable bloodlust who felt unstoppable. Like no matter where you went or what you did he would find you and kill you. He was a destroyer of worlds in a literal sense. And contrary to popular belief, he was a psychopath who was smart enough to understand how terrifying he can be and loved using that as a weapon. In short, he’ll always be the most terrifying villain from the dragon ball franchise. He wasn’t the best written, that honor goes to Prince Vegeta. He wasn’t the most evil, that would definitely be Frieza. But if we’re talking about who was the scariest? Who set the bench mark for how to write an intimidating villain? Broly. Undefeated and undisputed. Idgaf what anybody says. I’ll die on this hill.
This vid reminds me of something I hate about super: the retconning on the saiyan people. In Z it explicitely explains that the saiyans are a blood thirtsy evil race of genocidal murderers and that Goku could have easily became just as ruthless and barbarous if he hadn't hit his head as a kid. I always viewed OG Broly as a metaphor for saiyan culture and how ruthless, horrible and destructive it is. Its why Goku hates the name Kakarot, its why Vegeta is so vindictive, and why his character shift is such a big deal. In Super, its essentially retconned that the saiyans were just a bunch of hippie monkeys before freeza turned them into soldiers. It took an interesting culture and turned it into something far less interesting.
@Dugon man I find Super insufferable too. And I totally agree with your metaphor, I always said the original Broly embodied the true nature of the saiyans except to a much higher magnitude.
Great video, I really enjoyed this follow up to your original Z Broly video. I've noticed that Saiyan Scholar has just started covering this same topic as well. I, along with quite a few others have linked your video in his comments in hopes that more people will see this, as they NEED to see this! Anyway, I thought the concept of Goku's crying symbolizing a spiritual triumph over Broly was really interesting and I never pondered that idea before. I do think people really need to rewatch Movie 8 in the original Japanese dub to get a full understanding of Broly's backstory and character. As awesome as the Funi Dub version of the movie, with Broly's awesome one-liners and badass metal soundtrack, it still leaves out a lot of key information as you've pointed out before in your last Broly video and in this one too. I still like the theory of Goku's crying triggering some sort of PTSD, as odd as it seems. It's not so much the crying itself that bothers Broly as it is making Goku a living, physical reminder of the pain he's lived through his whole life. Being chastised for being a threat to King Vegeta's reign, having the King himself order the execution of Paragus and Broly, Broly saving them from the destruction of Planet Vegeta, as well as Broly being unable to control his wild transformation and eventually being mentally enslaved by Paragus to protect them from his outbursts, but to turn Broly into a bioweapon incapable of free will. Although I do agree that this theory also has some holes in it, as Broly also has mutual hatred towards Prince Vegeta and even his own father, Paragus.
Thanks, I appreciate you spreading my content around and I'm glad I could deepen your appreciation for Broly. An idea I omitted from this involves how Broly instinctively associated Goku's crying with being stabbed, and him getting impaled by Goku's fist ultimately reminded him of his past with Goku. I remember that you left a few comments on my prior Broly video. I intended to reply to some of them, but at that time when I responded to individual ones located in comment chains they always got sent to the original poster instead, so to avoid confusion I just didn't respond to individual comments in block chains, but yeah I did read all your comments.
Also to add to your analysis, Z broly's final moments in movie 8 has a deep thymatic climax when Goku punches broly he does so with the help of all the Z fighters help Goku has surpassed his saiyan nature by allowing himself to use his human traits to seek help from friends to defeat Broly. Broly being a slave to his saiyan nature underestimates goku and that allows goku to get the upper hand. Nature vs Nurture (i won a instagram debate with this analysis video btw. Whatever that's worth.)
@The Swoly Ghost I'm happy my content aided you in your debate. And yeah that's an interesting idea you got with Goku surpassing his saiyan nature. In a certain way you could also apply that to Vegeta as well, since he overcame his instinctual submission to Broly.
I hope it gains more traction too, which I think it'll eventually receive, but if there's one thing I got it's patience. Again I'm glad you enjoyed another video of mine.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeah like every time I’m on Instagram it irritates me off because most of the fans are fucking retarded and also fun fact did you know Broly solos z
Toei Broly is IRONICALLY developed as an individual (which is funny cuz he literally loses his mind by the time movie 10 obviously, as shown in movie 10, Broly survived but nearly died by kakarot, so more than likely, while Goku was the one who awakened his fighting spirit, it was also goku that nearly killed him, as well as defeated him in battle. We know how saiyans are known to hold grudges. (Vegeta with Goku, Nappa with vegeta, Goku with beerus, hence why he did that head flick in the anime to be on even terms, gohan with Cell, Trunks with the androids, etc.) So in this case, Broly having lost his concious, only having an instinctual desire to fight BUT ALSO losing to kakarot, he wants to get stronger and not really have revenge per say, more so that desire to prove he is stronger, much like how goku wishes to prove to be stronger, since saiyan pride is also part of a saiyan's mindset. A force beyond mind and consciousness drives Broly to reclaim his dominance.
It is crazy how easy manipulated the people are by Influencers, thank you for defending dbz Broly and saying the thruth. good video :) What i also saw from the community of those Influencers is the hatred for Broly that they have, it isn't because they have good reasons to hate dbz Broly and argue about it, no, it is because their favourite Influencers don't like dbz Broly and make fun of this Character because of their misunderstanding and hatred for everything noncanon. Something similar is happening nowadays with the community of one piece and the Character Rob Lucci.
@CalamityTerminator666 You're welcome, I appreciate the compliment and I'm happy to be of service. I've articulated on this subject before, but with the DBZ fandom I think a lot of them haven't seen the original Broly movie in 10+ years, and don't remember all of his best aspects, which has made many of them more susceptible to the influence of others, and I believe that heavily contributed to the more negative view of DBZ Broly. I know Lucci lost against G5 Luffy and Zoro (manga), but I don't really pay attention to the One Piece community, so what's going on with that?
Can you make a video why broly is more interesting as evil? Because having another kind hearted saiyan with high potential became too common as ssj 1 imo. Also it give him something to other than be on a planet all the time only to wait for some random bad guy to fight him just because, as so many fan mangas often have him do. 🙄
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeh your explanation is pretty nice I can't say I fully want to dismiss the crying thing as I've always liked it despite everyone else hating it and making fun of it but your video has most certainly enlightened me to alot of things that I had never thought of before such as the energy they emit when they meet each other again
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I love your video alot and I've never seen anyone Put this much effort and research into broly before Because he is a movie character and most dragon ball fans will see it as non Important because they see him as non canon and not worth there time But you are different
I'm glad to have deepened your appreciation for the movie and one thing I have to say is Dragon Ball Z had so many excellent filler moments (Goku's 100x gravity training, the hallucination sequence on Namek, expanding Goku's 3 panel super saiyan transformation into a world shaking 3 minute scene, Vegeta's speeches) and I believe it to be an absolute shame that many more modern fans simply cast those scenes away because they classify as non canon and for essentially that same reason is why I've defended Broly several times.
@Morty Smith Depends on what arc or movie. In this film I'd lean towards no, and say Goku's willpower excited Broly instead, but in the Buu Saga and the original Dragon Ball I'd be willing to call Goku a prodigy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 you said “Broly can detect Goku’s laden potential from cries alone” I assume when you meant his potential I thought you meant his talent like his aura
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 when you said laten potential I thought you meant Broly was like “wow this guy has a lot of potential like he’s a prodigy” ya know and from what we’ve seen like him able to adapt and master ultra instinct when it took the gods of destruction millions of years to train and still haven’t achieved it.
@Lonely Boy Adventurer I'd have to rewatch this video first, but I believe I used the term "latent potential" in the sense that Broly realized Goku could challenge his status/dominance as the supreme saiyan, not necessarily through power, but more so from a lack of fear/willpower. Hopefully this answers your question.
@@darkbeast2378 I've had a few subscribers of mine participate in some Q&As with him too, and I remember one of them telling me, he said "[Broly] sensed the weight of Goku cries".
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Lonely. Yesterday I asked Koyama on Twitter if Broly felt Goku's great power and if that awakened his saiyan instincts. He said yes. So, you were right! Broly only manages to remember Goku seconds before he dies (He NEVER recognized Goku in the Palace). That's why Goten's cries wake him up because they're similar to the cries of the man who humiliated him. Man, Broly deserves justice! What has been done to this character is something I've never seen before! You should be proud, your theory got pretty much everything right, you're a smart guy.
Savage original broly >>>corporate broly that acts nothing like broly,or a saiyan. He’s just a Tarzan simp. Old Brock would wreck him and Zeno. 28 planets ain’t a universe so supers timeline is full of solar system tier fighters at best
One of the worst issues with Super regards to how it constantly regulated/limited/capped off everything. Z felt like an endless universe whereas Super despite technically opening up more universes feels smaller than ever.
Great video but i wish you would talk more about DBZ fans ragging on Vegeta's reaction to Broly, saying that it's "out of character" or that "Vegeta would never act that way" To me, Vegeta's reaction to Broly made complete and perfect sense. If Broly wasn't a Saiyan and Vegeta acted this way, then maybe I'd agree with the critics but, that's not the case. From Vegeta's perspective, he's supposed to be the prince of all Saiyans but he's seeing Broly who is so much more powerful and genetically superior to him in every way that it makes him feel uneasy. Broly literally embodies every single trait of the Saiyans but amplified and turned up to 10 and that probably makes Vegeta feel super emasculated, inadequate and, overall obsolete. He's seeing a true Saiyan warrior that's more Saiyan than he ever was or ever will be. The moment he saw Broly transform into the Legendary Super Saiyan, he realized that he isn't worthy to call himself the "prince of all Saiyans." Seeing another Saiyan besides Goku being so much more powerful than him, pretty much broke his fighting spirit. At least, that's my interpretation.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Glad you agree, I would've responded back to you earlier but TH-cam didn't notify me of your response, I just happened to be watching this video again.
@@PizzaPuncher2 I appreciate you telling me this I've been responding to many comments and very few have acknowledge them. I forgot to say this on my other response, but, yes I have several other videos in the works, I intend to have 3 more posted before the Christmas/ the end of the year, a deadline which I think I can make. Again I appreciate your praise of my content.
Had to come back and listen to this and you're 100% right i like how you and Saiyan Scholar are the only DB youtubers that mentions Z Broly being all about "Instinct" i remember when i was playing DBZ Tenkaichi Tag team when the Narrator for Broly's story stated "He Then Transformed into the Legendary Super Saiyan with a power that could destroy planets with one blow, he INSTINCTUALLY attacked Goku and his friends" the fact that even the games sometimes mention Z Broly being Instinctual while the socalled "sMaRt pOpULaR dB yOuTubErz" have no idea about this and continue to parrot the misconception that he's a poorly written character and all muscle no brains trope is amazing to me this goes to show that those people aren't that smart to begin with they are only on the Z Broly bad bandwagon
@Chad Grimes I'm happy to see you back, Saiyan Scholar actually referenced me because of this video. I'm glad you think so highly of my channel. Since the release of this video I found something that further supports my claim, where in Japan they celebrate an event called the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival where they hire a sumo wrestler shakes babies in an effort to make them cry believing that it serves as an indictor for said infants future potential and also under the superstition it wards off evil spirits, both of which ideas further cement my stances on Broly.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 The crying babies fending off evil spirits story i found out about that few months ago from "Sex Allatus Angelus" another guy that supports your channel, i already knew the real reason Broly doesn't like Goku but when i heard it i immediately understood even more what the writers was going for by putting a Japanese Folklore into a DBZ movie and Broly is literally a evil spirit in itself so that wouldn't be far fetched to me but unfortunately the English DB Fanbase doesn't know Japan culture so some people are still in the disbelief about Broly's Backstory i came across somebody not too long ago stating how lame it is for the writers to make a "destiny" story with Broly and Goku being born on the same day i fail to see how that is even bad because i think that makes the backstory iconic and special especially since They was right next to each other in the same nursery with a Yin and Yang dynamic but people will always have something to say just continue to make awesome content man💯👍🏾 you're videos are great
@Chad Grimes It's cool knowing my videos along with several independent comments responding to it deepened so many peoples opinions and even worldly knowledge. I'm happy hearing how highly you view my content and I hope my future uploads will live up to yours and everyone else's standards.
@Flowbration Funny enough after I uploaded this video I stumbled upon even more concrete evidence, through a celebration known as the "Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival", where the Japanese hold a contest to intentionally find the infant with the loudest cry as they view it as superstition that said baby will grow up strong and healthy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 very interesting, you definitely deserve a sub. Even the big DB TH-camrs get this wrong and you nailed it. This makes old Broly a better character honestly. I think prefer this one over the newer one anyways.
@ponds kevin4 innate saiyan instinct, similar to how during the destruction of planet Vegeta sequence he recognized the danger of Frieza's incoming blast.
Hey dude! I recently contacted Takao Koyama himself through his social media and I thought you may find it interesting. I asked him the following: "Thanks for the answer. My question is: Why did Broly hate Goku and wanted to kill him in Movie 8 from 1993? I always assumed it was because the legend says the Legendary Super Saiyan is born every 1,000 years, and since Goku and Broly were born on the same day, they had an innate rivalry and were destined to fight each other. Is that correct? I know in Movie 10 from 1994 Broly listens to Goten's cry and remembers his trauma as a baby, but I wanted to know if what I assumed of Movie 8 is also correct. I'm sorry to bother you, I don't speak japanese so it's difficult for me to understand you in your videos." [This is in reference to his YT channel were he has a full Q&A video talking about Broly] He replied with: "Thanks for your questions. Your take on Goku and Broly's relationship is almost certainly correct. However, this is not Toriyama-sensei's view, but my view as the screenwriter who first introduced Broly to the film. In addition to the fateful encounter between Goku and Broly, the fact that baby Goku overwhelmed Broly with his cries and the force of his cries, and the fact that the experience was left as a trauma in Broly's heart." I didn't explain why they had the rilvary to keep the message short. You should send him a message yourself!
@José Miguel Casanova Linares Cool, I appreciate you informing me of this. Is the social media you contacted him on the youtube channel you referenced or is it some other platform? Thanks in advance. I'm happy to hear that the cries themselves connote a sign of strength in Goku.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 He has a YT channel, Facebook and Twitter. While he replied to me on Twitter, it wasn't of much use 'cause he didn't answer my question. He responded to me on Facebook, but for that he needs to accept your messages first and that may take a while. Good luck!
In all honesty I haven't watched all that much of SDBH, but from what I have seen I don't think the series used him all that well. In the beginning he felt excessively strong, but when he fought Jiren he seemed too weak though I do like the idea that he has to wear restraints to suppress his power. Overall he rubs off as a less interesting Broly, because even though they may appear similar, Broly had motivation behind his actions and he could actually express character.
Yeah i do agree with what you said, i wish that the SDBH Explorer his character beacuse they kept building him up as this next big thing, like his interaction with Super saiyan god form could have given us something,thank fully in the manga version When he saw the ssjgod he had a ptsd moment and then he tore off his straight jacket, that is something that could have given him character instead of what we given was "generic doomsday villain"
That's an interesting video on your side on Goku's cry in this video and yes it is true that Broly is naturally evil but i could argue that even if Goku's power did threaten him, it's still possible that Goku play a big part of Broly's life, we know Saiyans are been respected of their high power level and conquering and destroy planets is what will give them honor but the fact Broly is been executed just for having his much power and being a laughing stock to the Saiyans because of Goku making him look a joke really has some reasons to hate on Goku. but of course Broly hates Goku because he got him executed and why do i believe it? because look how he went crazy trying to attack Goku when Goku was sleeping with his friends and son right before Paragus showed up to restrain Broly, also Broly literally represents real life psychopath killers, when someone ends up experience something horrible in their lives and been mistreated,abused and was taught in bad influences of bad parenting or toxic bad people, that's what drives them crazy and been filled with rage and that's what Broly has. Also Broly didn't even bother explaining Goku of why he hates him so much is because he's so busy and focused on killing because he's insane, some psychopaths don't even care about themselves or their life's so they just keep on killing to cope and satisfy their urges
@Jim Eraklis Pretty similar topic as mines, just don't forget about real life psychopath killers, I still stick with my view of Broly's hatred of Goku, i wish Toriyama didn't reboot Broly
@@MrThereyes2 i honestly hate the reboot its a massive downgrade compared to how epic and Iconic Broly is in DBZ, but then again DBS doing what DBS does best by ruining characters and constantly retconning the original storyline
It got copyright claimed by Toei, I have plans to reupload an audio only version, but I'm going to give it a few more days since numerous other Kinnikuman videos received strikes as well. See my community posts for full story.
Ok this is a great video and all and I agree but this movie has it’s problems like number one yes I agree with you on everything but this was to fucking complicated to explain or understand Broly story like Broly story is good but is was poorly told leading misconceptions and you can’t blame a kid or normal fan to understand all this and get this first try like I understand the misconceptions like I thought Broly hated Goku for the cries until I watched movie 8 repeatedly to understand and the ending was stupid literally Broly lost due to plot Koyama even stated that
Let me say this, the the crying scene itself holds a relatively minor role in the overall movie, and probably wouldn't even be noticed by most of the audience let alone affect their viewing experience, so I don't think the viewers even need to understand the concept behind it to appreciate the movie.
Elaborating further on my point, from my observations the criticisms of the crying scene generally don't originate from people's initial reactions, but more so from people who watched someone else's review afterwards which often times overwrote said person's original thoughts. In my opinion much of the flanderization of the crying scene originated from popular DBZtubers (who generally hate anything non-canon) constantly mentioning it and that resulted in the exaggeration gaining traction among the audience, which inadvertently reshaped many people's minds who beforehand didn't even care about/notice the crying. But yeah, I agree the fact that people often feel compelled to mention the crying, to be annoying as well.
People are still trying to call it a mind control device when the movie specifically stated that it is used to contain and release Broly's power, NOT control his mind. Paragus even explained that Broly's power has a negative effect on his mind, and that before his power grew out of control, he was a model Saiyan. Also, Goku didn't punch Broly through the chest. He punched Broly through the stomach. He then uppercuts him, making the wound reach Broly's chest. They are not the same or even similar.
@DigitalWraith His power influences his mind, so if Paragus controls his power that also affects his mind, hence a mind control device. With both of your points, you're just arguing over semantics. I summed it up "chest" to get to the point, saying punched him in the stomach and the momentum carried his fist into his chest, wouldn't have changed or clarified anything and just prolong or even potentially confuse the situation.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Not quite. Because his ki was what's causing his mind to go insane, when it is sealed, Broly's mind isn't being controlled. To put it in a proper perspective, if someone is taking medication to prevent negative mental symptoms, no one would say "the pharmacist is controlling the patient’s mind." Also, the device was never called a mind control device in the movie. That's just what fans call it in the wiki due to their poor understanding of what the device actually does and how Broly's power actually works. The fact of the matter is he wasn't punched in the chest, rendering your conclusion, inaccurate.
@DigitalWraith Again you nitpick to create the illusion of falsehood. Yes, using medication to alter someone's mind, even if to suppress a negative quality constitutes mind control, morally it may absolve it of criminality, but it still classifies as mind control. So, again as a device this influences Broly's mind. If the point was Goku's punch only pierced him due hitting the original injury that would be inaccurate, but as it fulfills a more metaphorical meaning of the past repeating itself, the point still stands.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It isn't a nitpick when it's factually inaccurate to the story. Mind Control: Subverting by means of psychological tactics an individual's control of his or her mind (thinking, behavior, emotions or decisions), of which hypnosis is one acknowledged technique to facilitate it. This is not what the divice does. No one who is intellectually honest would call a pharmacist providing medication to prevent mental episodes mind controlling the patient. If so, people who camit crimes while on their meds could walk free and the pharmacist would be put behind bars. Now, you could say that because Broly, without his ki affecting his mind, is being controlled or manipulated by Paragus due to Broly's more obedient personality, but to say the device itself is controlling his mind is factually inaccurate. The issue is it isn't an example of the past repeating itself in the way you described it. Because 1) The injuries were made in two completely different locations. 2) The people inflicting the wounds were different. 3) The reasons for the wounds were different. 4) The effect of the wounds were different.
My interpretation of the story is that the movie questions WHAT makes a Saiyan "Legendary". By the Cell Arc everyone had SSJ, it wasn't special anymore. Broly is the Saiyan that lives up to the scary legend Vegeta knows about, a rampaging beast with no morals. According to Toriyama, Yamoshi was the original/first Super Saiyan who died fighting an army of Evil Saiyans, to the Saiyans Yamoshi was a scary monster who was killing tons of people. Saiyans formed the idea of a scary Prophesied Warrior around this incident. In the end, Goku proves that he is THE legendary Saiyan because he's a Hero because that's what Yamoshi was, his willingness to fight impossible odds for the sake of justice is what made Yamoshi legendary, not his ability to destroy like Broly. Broly is just a genetic freak. When Goku blocked Broly's punch, it revealed Broly for who he truly was, a Coward. As for why Broly was obsessed with Goku, its simple. Broly loses his rationality, the stronger he gets. Him becoming legendary SSJ made him become obsessive over Goku, he said it himself "You, i choose you to be my victims" its not like Goku was something special to him. He just picked a random target like a serial killer and started obsessing over him. Broly Second Coming was trash, they Flanderized his character by making him repeat Kakkarot over&over.
There's a few inconsistencies I have with your interpretation. For instance the idea of Yamoshi, a kind hearted super saiyan first occurred in Battle of the Gods long after the release of the film Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, so the idea of the saiyan of legends of being good doesn't apply here. Though the idea of Yamoshi being good, but perceived as evil by wicked saiyans is interesting. Calling Broly cowardly is a bit too much, that moment startled him, but I don't think that warrants him a coward. Also, Broly didn't lose his rationality when he became stronger, its arguably the other way around because of the affects from the mind control device.
The amount of headcanon and reaching you have to make to even get Z Broly to be a somewhat decent character, he’s not, is kind of wild. Broly’s reasons don’t make any sense no matter the way you look at it, it’s poor writing and something Super Broly objectively does better, offering a more nuanced and fleshed out character than Z Broly. Z Broly still kinda just sucks, he’s just cool, that’s it.
@thelettucebarrel7784 Is writing Japanese superstition into a Japanese story reaching? the culture itself celebrates a holiday about this very topic called the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It is a reach because that’s not at all what’s happening with Goku and Broly and is only a theory on your part and the movie doesn’t show a situation like what actually happens in said festival. Even then, if it *were* true, it’s still a stupid backstory.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 As stated in the first paragraph of the the wikipedia article ""... while a strong, loud cry indicates the child will grow up strong and healthy." Again within the context of Japanese customs this perfectly dwells within reason.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah, and it has absolutely nothing to do with what Broly and Goku’s past was like. If Broly was mad or upset that baby Goku wouldn’t stop crying to submit to Broly then it doesn’t even equate to the specifics of the tradition. And, again, even if it was based on that ritual, that doesn’t make it any less stupid. Why does Broly specifically remember Goku from that moment when they couldn’t even sense energy at that point? Why is it just the sight of Goku that sets Broly off then? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have him be set off by, let’s say, Baby Trunks’ cry instead? So no, it’s not perfectly within reason, and if it was, so what? It’s still a terrible backstory. Doesn’t matter if it’s based off of a tradition or not.
with everything that happened to broly that day him remembering goku's cry so vividly is bullshit. why would he associate his trauma with crying as if it was the worst thing that happened to him, was it his first defeat? I'm sure he suffered a bigger defeat against the knife that pierced his chest, but that's not what Broly remembers when he is penetrated by Goku's punch, It's so forced Broly to be so focused on Goku from the start and goku's presence in his life was so small and compared to the near death he suffers on the same day there's no way to believe that a baby's mind will associate his hate and fear in a cry as he had to survive a planetary explosion that would drown out any sound even more that is the moment where he finally cries harder is when he clashes his ki against Frieza's Broly reacting to the name Kakarotto he heard once when he was a baby instead of the name of the king who had him killed, treated him like shit, the name of the planet he almost died and had to fight to survive as a baby and the target of revenge from his father who raised him for this purpose but he has no reaction to Vegeta's name and even ignores him even though he was the first to attack Broly at the beginning of the fight. the only reason Broly is so focused on Goku is just because he has to be the focus for being the protagonist, any argument to justify Goku having so much impact on Broly's life will be weak and forced the fans have every right to make fun of this contrive reason they put in the movie, crying being the motivation was the only thing they understood because at the end of the day that's all they have, it's all the interaction that goku and broly had and pretending to go deeper than that is trying too hard to sound intellectual "I'm better than the average DBZ fan" Broly may be a deeper and more well written character than people remember but the Broly-Goku connection isn't, it's as stupid as they remember
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos The story perfectly justifies the Broly-Goku connection, the legendary super saiyan wishes to cement his status as the apex predator and the protagonist, who happens to be the next strongest, challenges his existence for that title, that's why their connection works.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 the strongest character on that planet at that time is Gohan and he was ignored Goku was no more of a threat to Broly than anyone before he absorbed energy.
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos The films belong to their own continuity, in context the story clearly portrayed Goku as stronger; Gohan run through a wall and obliterated, Goku continued the entire time. Plus your analysis conveniently overlooks the fact that the idea of this movie focuses on the pure blood saiyans, and not half breeds. You clearly didn't watch my video or at least paid attention to it, but the story implies Broly doesn't remember the crying the most you can say the story infers would be that the fist going through his body jogged his memory and even that is open to interpretation as you could also the writers included that as symbolism for an inability to escape fate. Broly surviving king Vegeta's knife could be figuratively construed as a victory. His obession over the name Kakerot(to) began in Second Coming not his one, everything in the film suggest that Goku's energy instinctually unnerved Broly and not that memory played a motivating factor. Broly Cried while clashing against Frieza's ki because the act itself represents willpower in the movie, Broly cries meant he refused to accept death from Frieza and Goku's represented how he wouldn't bow before a a stronger saiyan. I'm just going to say you're looking for excuses to hate Broly, rather than accepting he's not as bad as you wish him to be.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 and my point was that the story focusing on Goku's significance in Broly's mind, associating his awakened fighting spirit with him is weak because compared to what happened on the same day, Goku's presence or ki shouldn't have any impact and give more importance to this as "the first defeat" since there is no way to convince anyone that being stabbed and thrown in the trash to die can be interpreted as a victory he would have died if the explosion didn't wake him up, king vegeta won and if the story was to be focused on pure blood saiyans Broly should have associated his trauma to Vegeta since it was his father who sentenced him to death and it was the planet Vegeta that he had to fight still a baby to live, even more than the plot of the movie is about how Paragus manipulated Broly to be his revenge weapon against Vegeta and you won't convince me that he didn't get it into Broly's head that everything that happened to him is king vegeta's fault. and what a nice gaslight because I said in my comment that I just think the Broly-goku connection is stupid not the character itself, having the movie focus on Goku when he shouldn't have relevance in Broly's life, and Broly doesn't affect Goku's life or mindset for him he's just a strong bad guy. But if the story is about pureblood saiyan and destiny, Broly is everything that Vegeta always wanted to be, the legend he was denied and who will now destroy his new kingdom because of factors he could not control, being crushed by a power. It's hate directed at him that it wasn't his fault, similar to Broly's story and now he has to fight and overcome the legendary power he so desired going against the fate that was forced upon him and denied to him. it could be a story of stronger parallels and Broly remembering that day with Vegeta defeating it makes more sense, rather than something so crudely connected in a one-sided relationship based on giving and inventing more importance to irrelevant events and being honest you focus too much on accepting and defending mediocrity to the point of lying about my motivation, it's petty and pure projection
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos King Vegeta planned to kill Broly, he failed, therefore Broly beat a death sentence/fate. Vegeta cowered (lost his will to fight) before the might of Broly, that's why the legendary super saiyan didn't care about him. Again Goku showed no fear of Broly (upheld his fighting spirit), that's why, he became the target. Paragus seeking revenge on the Vegeta lineage, which the movie did, operates way better than it would have with Broly. Vegeta's role basically fulfills what you wanted Broly to be. If Broly played the part you fantasize about him being then he would have lost his personality, on paper he might have sounded deeper, but then he would have lost his dominance the best aspect of him. You say you don't hate Broly, but then you criticize his motivation at every turn, leave an unprovoked 5 paragraph negative comment on a video praising him, refer to his movie as mediocre and write fanfiction on how to improve him; yeah I'm the one who's projecting. The only one gaslighting here, is yourself.
You’re actually the one reaching for straws by saying it’s ptsd. Saying it’s ptsd is head-canon because it was never stated in the movie or by the directors. This video on the other hand is actually backed by the statements in the movie.
Amazing, every word you just said was wrong. Person with PTSD here. Broly meeting Goku again and having cold sweats, flashbacks, and flashes of red hot anger going 0 to 100 are all indicative psychological traits and physiological traits of PTSD. I have had them before when confronted with my abusers or people that remind me of my sources of trauma. I have seen psychologists on this, and had years of therapy on it. There is medical backing for Broly having PTSD, not so much for the head canon you want to talk about with his "latent fighting spirit". Sure, he is a Saiyan, and sure, by their nature they love to fight and have a sadistic streak, and while his hate for Goku would not have changed him being destructive, we are not talking about his sadistic nature here. We are talking about the crying scene and his motivations to hate Goku so much. If Saiyans could not handle Goku beating them or just anyone beating them, they would get pissed about losing after just one L, they would turn into drooling semi sapient that can only say the name of the one they took an L, but they don't. Vegeta for example didn't LIKE Goku for years after being emasculated by him time and again, but he didn't only say his name over and over again and literally no other dialogue. Sure, he referred to him as his Saiyan name, but that was out of pride for their race, pride being such a big part of Vegetas personality they literally named a form called Super Saiyan EGO after him later in Supers manga. Same goes for Filler like with Nappa. In GT and filler with Nappa coming back he didn't even HAVE dialogue. He disliked Vegeta for killing him but he didn't turn into a drooling monkey that wanted to only say one word. Vegeta also took a dirt nap due to Frieza, and yet when he was revived and got the chance to fight him again in Super he didn't turn into, you get the gist. Also stomping the will of others and not focusing on his past is part of PTSD cope. I dont like to even talk about my past, and I went out of my way to build my body and get stronger, adopting an online personality that literally assumes the role of a king to avoid feeling as weak as I did when I let my guard down, and trusted someone who stabbed me in the back. It is called wall building. Broly obsessing about dominating his victims is not just Saiyan psychological traits, it is him trying to openly forget his trauma. Again, I have the experience you dont in this field. You just have your opinions on it, as stated by statements like "I just feel that". Also why didn't he mention the word cry? Simple as how I don't like to use the word "Pockets" to refer to my abuser, I openly go out of my way to use the word "Compartments" because if I DO use the other word, it gives me a PTSD episode and only makes me feel worse. It is trauma, not just a "bad memory" as you so callously downplay it as. You should do some research on how this mental affliction works from those that actually have it, before you discredit peoples posts on it for favor of "He SeNSeS thEY aRe DA bEeG StROnK" as your logic. Going further, you should not assume that just because the voice actress was the same that it was the same cry. Dub and sub as well as manga has gone on to explicitly state that Goten only shares an uncanny similarity to Goku in LOOKS, not voice. This is why the dub went out of its way to give him his own unique voice, both as a kid, and as an adult. Casting choice of the OG is irrelivant to your point. The only thing I am content with in this needed but misplaced analysis video, is that you finally got a REAL microphone and stopped with that dimestore mic that popped all over the place. Notifications are off, not about to argue my PTSD experience with a neurotypical
For those interested in a response ... I believe the original poster analyzes Broly through his own personal lens and projects himself onto the character rather than objectively viewing him. If you seek a specific conclusion, you'll read the facts in a way to support your desired outcome. Broly's cold sweats only occurred while under the influence of the mind control device and never after its removal, likewise the flashback sequence originate from the mind of Paragus, not Broly, the scene began and ended with Paragus gazing at Broly. Also Broly never experienced bouts of anger, on the contrary every moment where he came off as wild and destructive he actually expressed happiness and satisfaction rather than rage, such as smiling while licking his blood after fighting Goku or laughing as he rampaged through cities prior to Paragus' blinding. The nearest to anger he ever came occurred while Paragus forcibly suppressed planted the mind control device on his head, which situationally perfectly justifies his frame of mind. Real world evidence supports my stance of the cries symbolizing "latent power" or the sign of a great warrior, as the country of Japan celebrates a 400 year old festival known as "The Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival" where they hold a contest to intentionally make babies cry to find the loudest. The cited purpose of why they hold festival states that they do so because according to folklore the it A) wards off evil spirits and B) indicates that a loud cry means a baby will grow up strong and healthy. Besides if the writers wished to construct Broly as a victim of PTSD, why did they write him as such an unsympathetic villain or at the least not mention how his past lead him a stray. In Second Coming additional affects besides his loss drove him crazy: severe injury, his massive power overtaking his mind and from the fact that he spent seven years in total isolation frozen in a block of ice. In regards to dominating others; the guards watching an infant Broly's nursery imply that the young saiyan already enforces his will upon others meaning that he did so prior to his PTSD. The argument of Goten's voice and appearance, did they ever state that he sounded different than Goku? Just because it was never stated doesn't mean it isn't true. Plus movies follow their own continuity, so it doesn't have to follow the same logic as the canon.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Good response, I don't know why the other guy got so angry and defensive for. It definitely feels like he's projecting himself onto Broly and making him out to be a character that he isn't.
As someone who didn't mind the cry scenes, I thought honestly that Broly may associate the cry with the knife to the chest. But your reasoning make more sense since at the end of the movie, Broly himself tried to cry too as means to fight Goku. But he couldn't do it as well unlike when Planet Vegeta was exploding.
I do think him associating Goku's cries with the feeling of being stabbed is a possibility since the story implied that him being impaled by Goku's fist caused him to remember their past together.
I always thought that was one of my theory of why he hate Goku a lot he remembers Goku's crying and he associated that with him getting stabbed
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033you think thats a reach, its cery easy to see that as the implication
These little details never really crossed my mind before... I always thought that the Broly crying thing was just another Toriyama inspired gag.
In all honesty I wouldn't have looked for them myself if I hadn't heard the line from Bardock the Father of Goku.
Yeah, I never realized Broly cried as a baby when the planet exploded and he powered up. Not to mention both Trunks and gohan cried when they went ss. At least ss2 for Gohan.
Great video. I 100% agree. I feel like broly was bothered by goku's fighting spirit.
Cool, I'm glad you enjoyed another one of my videos.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 your videos are always amazing.
Very well explained. When I was younger (12 years old or so) I thought that he was mad just because Goku cried but then later on I watched the japanese version+english sub and there was a scene where Paragus said Goku's ki is the reason why Broly was fighting Paragus's mind control and I never really understood what he meant by that but it always caught my attention. And years later, I've read someone's article on Kanzenshuu which explained the misconception about Broly's motivation and it helped me to understand things in a better way.
And yes a lot of people think that Broly became evil because of what happened to him but that's not true at all because the legendary super saiyan is described as a bloodthirsty warrior and that is what Broly truly is. He took great pleasure destroying planets at a very young age and he was laughing while doing it and Paragus also states it in the flashback that Broly became more and more violent as he grew up which is the main reason why he wanted to control his son but once he had control over him he just used him. Broly never showed any regret for doing what he was doing, nor did he show a little bit of sadness, he is always dominant and laughing his a$$ off when he destroys stuff or beats someone's a$$. Now, I don't know if Z Broly would be able to change if he was raised by a good father or if he had friends like S Broly, but I know for a fact that Z Broly is more evil than good.
@ferry
Thanks, I'm glad my video deepened your understanding of the character. I thought something like this was long needed.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I’ve always thought Broly was one of the best villains in anime history. Definitely in dragon ball history. It makes me really mad that they brought Broly back the way they did. The new Broly seems to be a mockery of how people interpret the old Broly. But when you understand that people’s interpretation of the old Broly is extremely flawed, it feels like they just fed that portion of the fan base their own misunderstandings. They knowingly misinterpreted their own character to placate fans who also didn’t understand.
The level of disrespect to the OG Broly is insane and I’m mad that he’s not canon. Also, unrelated, but GT is vastly superior to Super.
@Zach Smith
I share a lot of the same sentiments as you, Toei implemented all the flanderizations of the original Broly into Super Broly. Dragon Ball Super essentially repeated many of the same aspects as GT, except in a far worse manner.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 there were a lot of things wrong with GT and it certainly didn’t live up to Z or the original DB. But comparing it to Super, GT seems a lot better. Yeah some of the fights were bogus and a lot of the animations were cheap and poorly done, but the writing was flat out superior. The stories are much better done in GT than in Super. Super has better animation but there’s no replacement for quality writing.
But back to Broly, it bugs me so much how badly people misunderstand his character. I think part of it is from the video games. I played dragon ball (PS3) and budokai tenkaichi 3 (Wii) and basically everything with him was just “KAKAROT!” For newer fans who grew up on the video games but didn’t get to see the original movie, or maybe only saw the second movie, I can see how a misunderstanding like that can happen. But for people who watched the original movie and STILL misremember Broly in such a way as to think he’s not an all time anime villain… idk what to say to that. He was a hulking monster with an insatiable bloodlust who felt unstoppable. Like no matter where you went or what you did he would find you and kill you. He was a destroyer of worlds in a literal sense. And contrary to popular belief, he was a psychopath who was smart enough to understand how terrifying he can be and loved using that as a weapon.
In short, he’ll always be the most terrifying villain from the dragon ball franchise. He wasn’t the best written, that honor goes to Prince Vegeta. He wasn’t the most evil, that would definitely be Frieza. But if we’re talking about who was the scariest? Who set the bench mark for how to write an intimidating villain? Broly. Undefeated and undisputed. Idgaf what anybody says. I’ll die on this hill.
I kinda wish Broly used his normal ssj form more, although he used it a decent amount in second coming.
This vid reminds me of something I hate about super: the retconning on the saiyan people. In Z it explicitely explains that the saiyans are a blood thirtsy evil race of genocidal murderers and that Goku could have easily became just as ruthless and barbarous if he hadn't hit his head as a kid. I always viewed OG Broly as a metaphor for saiyan culture and how ruthless, horrible and destructive it is. Its why Goku hates the name Kakarot, its why Vegeta is so vindictive, and why his character shift is such a big deal.
In Super, its essentially retconned that the saiyans were just a bunch of hippie monkeys before freeza turned them into soldiers. It took an interesting culture and turned it into something far less interesting.
@Dugon man
I find Super insufferable too. And I totally agree with your metaphor, I always said the original Broly embodied the true nature of the saiyans except to a much higher magnitude.
Both Minus Bardock and Super Broly are far less interesting characters than their original counterparts. Such a shame on Toriyama's part.
Great video, I really enjoyed this follow up to your original Z Broly video. I've noticed that Saiyan Scholar has just started covering this same topic as well. I, along with quite a few others have linked your video in his comments in hopes that more people will see this, as they NEED to see this!
Anyway, I thought the concept of Goku's crying symbolizing a spiritual triumph over Broly was really interesting and I never pondered that idea before. I do think people really need to rewatch Movie 8 in the original Japanese dub to get a full understanding of Broly's backstory and character. As awesome as the Funi Dub version of the movie, with Broly's awesome one-liners and badass metal soundtrack, it still leaves out a lot of key information as you've pointed out before in your last Broly video and in this one too.
I still like the theory of Goku's crying triggering some sort of PTSD, as odd as it seems. It's not so much the crying itself that bothers Broly as it is making Goku a living, physical reminder of the pain he's lived through his whole life. Being chastised for being a threat to King Vegeta's reign, having the King himself order the execution of Paragus and Broly, Broly saving them from the destruction of Planet Vegeta, as well as Broly being unable to control his wild transformation and eventually being mentally enslaved by Paragus to protect them from his outbursts, but to turn Broly into a bioweapon incapable of free will.
Although I do agree that this theory also has some holes in it, as Broly also has mutual hatred towards Prince Vegeta and even his own father, Paragus.
Thanks, I appreciate you spreading my content around and I'm glad I could deepen your appreciation for Broly.
An idea I omitted from this involves how Broly instinctively associated Goku's crying with being stabbed, and him getting impaled by Goku's fist ultimately reminded him of his past with Goku.
I remember that you left a few comments on my prior Broly video. I intended to reply to some of them, but at that time when I responded to individual ones located in comment chains they always got sent to the original poster instead, so to avoid confusion I just didn't respond to individual comments in block chains, but yeah I did read all your comments.
Noti gang
Thanks, I appreciate it. I hope you enjoy this and my future videos.
Also to add to your analysis, Z broly's final moments in movie 8 has a deep thymatic climax when Goku punches broly he does so with the help of all the Z fighters help Goku has surpassed his saiyan nature by allowing himself to use his human traits to seek help from friends to defeat Broly. Broly being a slave to his saiyan nature underestimates goku and that allows goku to get the upper hand.
Nature vs Nurture (i won a instagram debate with this analysis video btw. Whatever that's worth.)
@The Swoly Ghost
I'm happy my content aided you in your debate. And yeah that's an interesting idea you got with Goku surpassing his saiyan nature. In a certain way you could also apply that to Vegeta as well, since he overcame his instinctual submission to Broly.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 great point.
Bro this needs to be attractive by a bigger audience
I hope it gains more traction too, which I think it'll eventually receive, but if there's one thing I got it's patience. Again I'm glad you enjoyed another video of mine.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeah like every time I’m on Instagram it irritates me off because most of the fans are fucking retarded and also fun fact did you know Broly solos z
Well thought out, articulate , and a good listen
@Bodega
Thanks, I'm glad you found another of my videos enjoyable.
Toei Broly is IRONICALLY developed as an individual (which is funny cuz he literally loses his mind by the time movie 10
obviously, as shown in movie 10, Broly survived but nearly died by kakarot, so more than likely, while Goku was the one who awakened his fighting spirit, it was also goku that nearly killed him, as well as defeated him in battle.
We know how saiyans are known to hold grudges. (Vegeta with Goku, Nappa with vegeta, Goku with beerus, hence why he did that head flick in the anime to be on even terms, gohan with Cell, Trunks with the androids, etc.) So in this case, Broly having lost his concious, only having an instinctual desire to fight BUT ALSO losing to kakarot, he wants to get stronger and not really have revenge per say, more so that desire to prove he is stronger, much like how goku wishes to prove to be stronger, since saiyan pride is also part of a saiyan's mindset. A force beyond mind and consciousness drives Broly to reclaim his dominance.
@ponds kevin4
Good point. A force beyond mind and consciousness drives Broly to reclaim his dominance.
oh hey i never thought of this, clever.
Cool, I'm glad my video could help you see this subject in a new light.
It is crazy how easy manipulated the people are by Influencers, thank you for defending dbz Broly and saying the thruth. good video :)
What i also saw from the community of those Influencers is the hatred for Broly that they have, it isn't because they have good reasons to hate dbz Broly and argue about it, no, it is because their favourite Influencers don't like dbz Broly and make fun of this Character because of their misunderstanding and hatred for everything noncanon.
Something similar is happening nowadays with the community of one piece and the Character Rob Lucci.
@CalamityTerminator666
You're welcome, I appreciate the compliment and I'm happy to be of service. I've articulated on this subject before, but with the DBZ fandom I think a lot of them haven't seen the original Broly movie in 10+ years, and don't remember all of his best aspects, which has made many of them more susceptible to the influence of others, and I believe that heavily contributed to the more negative view of DBZ Broly.
I know Lucci lost against G5 Luffy and Zoro (manga), but I don't really pay attention to the One Piece community, so what's going on with that?
Can you make a video why broly is more interesting as evil? Because having another kind hearted saiyan with high potential became too common as ssj 1 imo.
Also it give him something to other than be on a planet all the time only to wait for some random bad guy to fight him just because, as so many fan mangas often have him do. 🙄
@The Holy Emperor true, but I was thinking more on how broly could have more of a impact on super if he was evil
@The Holy Emperor buy arc? Don't you mean super take place between the buu saga and the end of z?
@The Holy Emperor ah I see
I mean he would die and never came back... Only thing him being evil...
@@jonathanhannah4 that preferable honestly. Also he probably won't die and just become reoccurring villain like frieza
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice
Thanks, I was hoping you would watch this video, because our conversation a week or two ago.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeh your explanation is pretty nice I can't say I fully want to dismiss the crying thing as I've always liked it despite everyone else hating it and making fun of it but your video has most certainly enlightened me to alot of things that I had never thought of before such as the energy they emit when they meet each other again
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I love your video alot and I've never seen anyone Put this much effort and research into broly before
Because he is a movie character and most dragon ball fans will see it as non Important because they see him as non canon and not worth there time
But you are different
I'm glad to have deepened your appreciation for the movie and one thing I have to say is Dragon Ball Z had so many excellent filler moments (Goku's 100x gravity training, the hallucination sequence on Namek, expanding Goku's 3 panel super saiyan transformation into a world shaking 3 minute scene, Vegeta's speeches) and I believe it to be an absolute shame that many more modern fans simply cast those scenes away because they classify as non canon and for essentially that same reason is why I've defended Broly several times.
Well done explanation!
@Er Symon De Quartiere 312
Thanks, I'm glad you found my video insightful
quick question would you say Goku is a prodigy which is why Broly is excited by him ?
@Morty Smith
Depends on what arc or movie. In this film I'd lean towards no, and say Goku's willpower excited Broly instead, but in the Buu Saga and the original Dragon Ball I'd be willing to call Goku a prodigy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 you said “Broly can detect Goku’s laden potential from cries alone” I assume when you meant his potential I thought you meant his talent like his aura
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 when you said laten potential I thought you meant Broly was like “wow this guy has a lot of potential like he’s a prodigy” ya know and from what we’ve seen like him able to adapt and master ultra instinct when it took the gods of destruction millions of years to train and still haven’t achieved it.
@Lonely Boy Adventurer
I'd have to rewatch this video first, but I believe I used the term "latent potential" in the sense that Broly realized Goku could challenge his status/dominance as the supreme saiyan, not necessarily through power, but more so from a lack of fear/willpower. Hopefully this answers your question.
Theres still going to be dumb kids saying that broly has no depth etc...😂
@andrewandrew3713
Some of them just refuse to learn, though I do think some of them realize they're wrong, but still deny just to start arguments.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yep, same type of ignorant people that are ruining this world lmao
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Hey dude! From Koyama's Q&A video: "The "memory" of Broly "losing" to Kakarot (as babies) remains a traumatic memory"
@@darkbeast2378 I've had a few subscribers of mine participate in some Q&As with him too, and I remember one of them telling me, he said "[Broly] sensed the weight of Goku cries".
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Lonely. Yesterday I asked Koyama on Twitter if Broly felt Goku's great power and if that awakened his saiyan instincts. He said yes. So, you were right! Broly only manages to remember Goku seconds before he dies (He NEVER recognized Goku in the Palace). That's why Goten's cries wake him up because they're similar to the cries of the man who humiliated him.
Man, Broly deserves justice! What has been done to this character is something I've never seen before!
You should be proud, your theory got pretty much everything right, you're a smart guy.
Savage original broly >>>corporate broly that acts nothing like broly,or a saiyan. He’s just a Tarzan simp. Old Brock would wreck him and Zeno. 28 planets ain’t a universe so supers timeline is full of solar system tier fighters at best
One of the worst issues with Super regards to how it constantly regulated/limited/capped off everything. Z felt like an endless universe whereas Super despite technically opening up more universes feels smaller than ever.
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Great video but i wish you would talk more about DBZ fans ragging on Vegeta's reaction to Broly, saying that it's "out of character" or that "Vegeta would never act that way"
To me, Vegeta's reaction to Broly made complete and perfect sense. If Broly wasn't a Saiyan and Vegeta acted this way, then maybe I'd agree with the critics but, that's not the case.
From Vegeta's perspective, he's supposed to be the prince of all Saiyans but he's seeing Broly who is so much more powerful and genetically superior to him in every way that it makes him feel uneasy.
Broly literally embodies every single trait of the Saiyans but amplified and turned up to 10 and that probably makes Vegeta feel super emasculated, inadequate and, overall obsolete. He's seeing a true Saiyan warrior that's more Saiyan than he ever was or ever will be.
The moment he saw Broly transform into the Legendary Super Saiyan, he realized that he isn't worthy to call himself the "prince of all Saiyans." Seeing another Saiyan besides Goku being so much more powerful than him, pretty much broke his fighting spirit. At least, that's my interpretation.
@PizzaPuncher2
Thanks, if I would have realized your point at the time I would have included it.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Glad you agree, I would've responded back to you earlier but TH-cam didn't notify me of your response, I just happened to be watching this video again.
@@PizzaPuncher2 I appreciate you telling me this I've been responding to many comments and very few have acknowledge them.
I forgot to say this on my other response, but, yes I have several other videos in the works, I intend to have 3 more posted before the Christmas/ the end of the year, a deadline which I think I can make. Again I appreciate your praise of my content.
Fun Fact: Baby Broly is stronger than Mr. Satan
@AndresFlores1
Funnily enough he could actually beat Nappa too.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033and saiyan saga Goku(I think?)
Had to come back and listen to this and you're 100% right i like how you and Saiyan Scholar are the only DB youtubers that mentions Z Broly being all about "Instinct" i remember when i was playing DBZ Tenkaichi Tag team when the Narrator for Broly's story stated "He Then Transformed into the Legendary Super Saiyan with a power that could destroy planets with one blow, he INSTINCTUALLY attacked Goku and his friends" the fact that even the games sometimes mention Z Broly being Instinctual while the socalled "sMaRt pOpULaR dB yOuTubErz" have no idea about this and continue to parrot the misconception that he's a poorly written character and all muscle no brains trope is amazing to me this goes to show that those people aren't that smart to begin with they are only on the Z Broly bad bandwagon
@Chad Grimes
I'm happy to see you back, Saiyan Scholar actually referenced me because of this video. I'm glad you think so highly of my channel. Since the release of this video I found something that further supports my claim, where in Japan they celebrate an event called the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival where they hire a sumo wrestler shakes babies in an effort to make them cry believing that it serves as an indictor for said infants future potential and also under the superstition it wards off evil spirits, both of which ideas further cement my stances on Broly.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 The crying babies fending off evil spirits story i found out about that few months ago from "Sex Allatus Angelus" another guy that supports your channel, i already knew the real reason Broly doesn't like Goku but when i heard it i immediately understood even more what the writers was going for by putting a Japanese Folklore into a DBZ movie and Broly is literally a evil spirit in itself so that wouldn't be far fetched to me but unfortunately the English DB Fanbase doesn't know Japan culture so some people are still in the disbelief about Broly's Backstory i came across somebody not too long ago stating how lame it is for the writers to make a "destiny" story with Broly and Goku being born on the same day i fail to see how that is even bad because i think that makes the backstory iconic and special especially since They was right next to each other in the same nursery with a Yin and Yang dynamic but people will always have something to say just continue to make awesome content man💯👍🏾 you're videos are great
@Chad Grimes
It's cool knowing my videos along with several independent comments responding to it deepened so many peoples opinions and even worldly knowledge. I'm happy hearing how highly you view my content and I hope my future uploads will live up to yours and everyone else's standards.
Wow
Yeah, I'm more impressed with this video than I thought I'd be
Omg that actually makes a lot of sense and it’s not headcanon either like the ptsd stuff. It’s literally explained in the movie …. Wow blew my mind
@Flowbration
Funny enough after I uploaded this video I stumbled upon even more concrete evidence, through a celebration known as the "Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival", where the Japanese hold a contest to intentionally find the infant with the loudest cry as they view it as superstition that said baby will grow up strong and healthy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 very interesting, you definitely deserve a sub. Even the big DB TH-camrs get this wrong and you nailed it. This makes old Broly a better character honestly. I think prefer this one over the newer one anyways.
hey quick question how would Broly sense shit if he’s a baby ?
@ponds kevin4
innate saiyan instinct, similar to how during the destruction of planet Vegeta sequence he recognized the danger of Frieza's incoming blast.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks bro you are so smart
@@pondskevin4944 You're welcome and no problem
Pretty good video
Thanks, I'm glad you think so
Hey dude!
I recently contacted Takao Koyama himself through his social media and I thought you may find it interesting. I asked him the following:
"Thanks for the answer. My question is:
Why did Broly hate Goku and wanted to kill him in Movie 8 from 1993?
I always assumed it was because the legend says the Legendary Super Saiyan is born every 1,000 years, and since Goku and Broly were born on the same day, they had an innate rivalry and were destined to fight each other. Is that correct?
I know in Movie 10 from 1994 Broly listens to Goten's cry and remembers his trauma as a baby, but I wanted to know if what I assumed of Movie 8 is also correct.
I'm sorry to bother you, I don't speak japanese so it's difficult for me to understand you in your videos." [This is in reference to his YT channel were he has a full Q&A video talking about Broly]
He replied with:
"Thanks for your questions.
Your take on Goku and Broly's relationship is almost certainly correct.
However, this is not Toriyama-sensei's view, but my view as the screenwriter who first introduced Broly to the film.
In addition to the fateful encounter between Goku and Broly, the fact that baby Goku overwhelmed Broly with his cries and the force of his cries, and the fact that the experience was left as a trauma in Broly's heart."
I didn't explain why they had the rilvary to keep the message short. You should send him a message yourself!
@José Miguel Casanova Linares
Cool, I appreciate you informing me of this. Is the social media you contacted him on the youtube channel you referenced or is it some other platform? Thanks in advance. I'm happy to hear that the cries themselves connote a sign of strength in Goku.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 He has a YT channel, Facebook and Twitter. While he replied to me on Twitter, it wasn't of much use 'cause he didn't answer my question. He responded to me on Facebook, but for that he needs to accept your messages first and that may take a while. Good luck!
Chad Og broly
What are your thoughts on Cumber From sdbh
In all honesty I haven't watched all that much of SDBH, but from what I have seen I don't think the series used him all that well. In the beginning he felt excessively strong, but when he fought Jiren he seemed too weak though I do like the idea that he has to wear restraints to suppress his power. Overall he rubs off as a less interesting Broly, because even though they may appear similar, Broly had motivation behind his actions and he could actually express character.
Yeah i do agree with what you said, i wish that the SDBH Explorer his character beacuse they kept building him up as this next big thing, like his interaction with Super saiyan god form could have given us something,thank fully in the manga version When he saw the ssjgod he had a ptsd moment and then he tore off his straight jacket, that is something that could have given him character instead of what we given was "generic doomsday villain"
That's an interesting video on your side on Goku's cry in this video and yes it is true that Broly is naturally evil but i could argue that even if Goku's power did threaten him, it's still possible that Goku play a big part of Broly's life, we know Saiyans are been respected of their high power level and conquering and destroy planets is what will give them honor but the fact Broly is been executed just for having his much power and being a laughing stock to the Saiyans because of Goku making him look a joke really has some reasons to hate on Goku. but of course Broly hates Goku because he got him executed and why do i believe it? because look how he went crazy trying to attack Goku when Goku was sleeping with his friends and son right before Paragus showed up to restrain Broly, also Broly literally represents real life psychopath killers, when someone ends up experience something horrible in their lives and been mistreated,abused and was taught in bad influences of bad parenting or toxic bad people, that's what drives them crazy and been filled with rage and that's what Broly has.
Also Broly didn't even bother explaining Goku of why he hates him so much is because he's so busy and focused on killing because he's insane, some psychopaths don't even care about themselves or their life's so they just keep on killing to cope and satisfy their urges
@Jim Eraklis Pretty similar topic as mines, just don't forget about real life psychopath killers, I still stick with my view of Broly's hatred of Goku, i wish Toriyama didn't reboot Broly
@@MrThereyes2 i honestly hate the reboot its a massive downgrade compared to how epic and Iconic Broly is in DBZ, but then again DBS doing what DBS does best by ruining characters and constantly retconning the original storyline
Why did you remove the Kinnikuman video?
It got copyright claimed by Toei, I have plans to reupload an audio only version, but I'm going to give it a few more days since numerous other Kinnikuman videos received strikes as well. See my community posts for full story.
Hey I thought I'd inform you that I finally reuploaded my Kinnikuman video and I decided to add some some additional content to it.
Ok this is a great video and all and I agree but this movie has it’s problems like number one yes I agree with you on everything but this was to fucking complicated to explain or understand Broly story like Broly story is good but is was poorly told leading misconceptions and you can’t blame a kid or normal fan to understand all this and get this first try like I understand the misconceptions like I thought Broly hated Goku for the cries until I watched movie 8 repeatedly to understand and the ending was stupid literally Broly lost due to plot Koyama even stated that
Let me say this, the the crying scene itself holds a relatively minor role in the overall movie, and probably wouldn't even be noticed by most of the audience let alone affect their viewing experience, so I don't think the viewers even need to understand the concept behind it to appreciate the movie.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 true but in every video I watch about him it’s always “hE hAtEs gOkU bEcAuSeD hE cRiEd” it’s very annoying
Elaborating further on my point, from my observations the criticisms of the crying scene generally don't originate from people's initial reactions, but more so from people who watched someone else's review afterwards which often times overwrote said person's original thoughts. In my opinion much of the flanderization of the crying scene originated from popular DBZtubers (who generally hate anything non-canon) constantly mentioning it and that resulted in the exaggeration gaining traction among the audience, which inadvertently reshaped many people's minds who beforehand didn't even care about/notice the crying.
But yeah, I agree the fact that people often feel compelled to mention the crying, to be annoying as well.
People are still trying to call it a mind control device when the movie specifically stated that it is used to contain and release Broly's power, NOT control his mind. Paragus even explained that Broly's power has a negative effect on his mind, and that before his power grew out of control, he was a model Saiyan.
Also, Goku didn't punch Broly through the chest. He punched Broly through the stomach. He then uppercuts him, making the wound reach Broly's chest. They are not the same or even similar.
@DigitalWraith
His power influences his mind, so if Paragus controls his power that also affects his mind, hence a mind control device. With both of your points, you're just arguing over semantics. I summed it up "chest" to get to the point, saying punched him in the stomach and the momentum carried his fist into his chest, wouldn't have changed or clarified anything and just prolong or even potentially confuse the situation.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Not quite. Because his ki was what's causing his mind to go insane, when it is sealed, Broly's mind isn't being controlled. To put it in a proper perspective, if someone is taking medication to prevent negative mental symptoms, no one would say "the pharmacist is controlling the patient’s mind." Also, the device was never called a mind control device in the movie. That's just what fans call it in the wiki due to their poor understanding of what the device actually does and how Broly's power actually works.
The fact of the matter is he wasn't punched in the chest, rendering your conclusion, inaccurate.
@DigitalWraith
Again you nitpick to create the illusion of falsehood. Yes, using medication to alter someone's mind, even if to suppress a negative quality constitutes mind control, morally it may absolve it of criminality, but it still classifies as mind control. So, again as a device this influences Broly's mind.
If the point was Goku's punch only pierced him due hitting the original injury that would be inaccurate, but as it fulfills a more metaphorical meaning of the past repeating itself, the point still stands.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It isn't a nitpick when it's factually inaccurate to the story. Mind Control: Subverting by means of psychological tactics an individual's control of his or her mind (thinking, behavior, emotions or decisions), of which hypnosis is one acknowledged technique to facilitate it. This is not what the divice does. No one who is intellectually honest would call a pharmacist providing medication to prevent mental episodes mind controlling the patient. If so, people who camit crimes while on their meds could walk free and the pharmacist would be put behind bars.
Now, you could say that because Broly, without his ki affecting his mind, is being controlled or manipulated by Paragus due to Broly's more obedient personality, but to say the device itself is controlling his mind is factually inaccurate.
The issue is it isn't an example of the past repeating itself in the way you described it. Because 1) The injuries were made in two completely different locations. 2) The people inflicting the wounds were different. 3) The reasons for the wounds were different. 4) The effect of the wounds were different.
This movie is badass
@christhianborrero3623
Its a legendary one
My interpretation of the story is that the movie questions WHAT makes a Saiyan "Legendary". By the Cell Arc everyone had SSJ, it wasn't special anymore. Broly is the Saiyan that lives up to the scary legend Vegeta knows about, a rampaging beast with no morals. According to Toriyama, Yamoshi was the original/first Super Saiyan who died fighting an army of Evil Saiyans, to the Saiyans Yamoshi was a scary monster who was killing tons of people. Saiyans formed the idea of a scary Prophesied Warrior around this incident.
In the end, Goku proves that he is THE legendary Saiyan because he's a Hero because that's what Yamoshi was, his willingness to fight impossible odds for the sake of justice is what made Yamoshi legendary, not his ability to destroy like Broly. Broly is just a genetic freak. When Goku blocked Broly's punch, it revealed Broly for who he truly was, a Coward.
As for why Broly was obsessed with Goku, its simple. Broly loses his rationality, the stronger he gets. Him becoming legendary SSJ made him become obsessive over Goku, he said it himself "You, i choose you to be my victims" its not like Goku was something special to him. He just picked a random target like a serial killer and started obsessing over him. Broly Second Coming was trash, they Flanderized his character by making him repeat Kakkarot over&over.
There's a few inconsistencies I have with your interpretation. For instance the idea of Yamoshi, a kind hearted super saiyan first occurred in Battle of the Gods long after the release of the film Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, so the idea of the saiyan of legends of being good doesn't apply here. Though the idea of Yamoshi being good, but perceived as evil by wicked saiyans is interesting.
Calling Broly cowardly is a bit too much, that moment startled him, but I don't think that warrants him a coward.
Also, Broly didn't lose his rationality when he became stronger, its arguably the other way around because of the affects from the mind control device.
Mwa Beautiful
Glad you enjoyed
Ur a smart dude
@dragonballaihighlights
Thanks, I'm happy you enjoyed another video of mine.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 for sure man your videos are hella thought out and really well orginized! Keep it 💯🔥
The amount of headcanon and reaching you have to make to even get Z Broly to be a somewhat decent character, he’s not, is kind of wild. Broly’s reasons don’t make any sense no matter the way you look at it, it’s poor writing and something Super Broly objectively does better, offering a more nuanced and fleshed out character than Z Broly. Z Broly still kinda just sucks, he’s just cool, that’s it.
@thelettucebarrel7784
Is writing Japanese superstition into a Japanese story reaching? the culture itself celebrates a holiday about this very topic called the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It is a reach because that’s not at all what’s happening with Goku and Broly and is only a theory on your part and the movie doesn’t show a situation like what actually happens in said festival. Even then, if it *were* true, it’s still a stupid backstory.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 As stated in the first paragraph of the the wikipedia article ""... while a strong, loud cry indicates the child will grow up strong and healthy." Again within the context of Japanese customs this perfectly dwells within reason.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah, and it has absolutely nothing to do with what Broly and Goku’s past was like. If Broly was mad or upset that baby Goku wouldn’t stop crying to submit to Broly then it doesn’t even equate to the specifics of the tradition. And, again, even if it was based on that ritual, that doesn’t make it any less stupid.
Why does Broly specifically remember Goku from that moment when they couldn’t even sense energy at that point? Why is it just the sight of Goku that sets Broly off then? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have him be set off by, let’s say, Baby Trunks’ cry instead? So no, it’s not perfectly within reason, and if it was, so what? It’s still a terrible backstory. Doesn’t matter if it’s based off of a tradition or not.
with everything that happened to broly that day him remembering goku's cry so vividly is bullshit.
why would he associate his trauma with crying as if it was the worst thing that happened to him, was it his first defeat? I'm sure he suffered a bigger defeat against the knife that pierced his chest, but that's not what Broly remembers when he is penetrated by Goku's punch,
It's so forced Broly to be so focused on Goku from the start and goku's presence in his life was so small and compared to the near death he suffers on the same day there's no way to believe that a baby's mind will associate his hate and fear in a cry as he had to survive a planetary explosion that would drown out any sound even more that is the moment where he finally cries harder is when he clashes his ki against Frieza's
Broly reacting to the name Kakarotto he heard once when he was a baby instead of the name of the king who had him killed, treated him like shit, the name of the planet he almost died and had to fight to survive as a baby and the target of revenge from his father who raised him for this purpose but he has no reaction to Vegeta's name and even ignores him even though he was the first to attack Broly at the beginning of the fight.
the only reason Broly is so focused on Goku is just because he has to be the focus for being the protagonist, any argument to justify Goku having so much impact on Broly's life will be weak and forced
the fans have every right to make fun of this contrive reason they put in the movie, crying being the motivation was the only thing they understood because at the end of the day that's all they have, it's all the interaction that goku and broly had
and pretending to go deeper than that is trying too hard to sound intellectual "I'm better than the average DBZ fan"
Broly may be a deeper and more well written character than people remember but the Broly-Goku connection isn't, it's as stupid as they remember
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos
The story perfectly justifies the Broly-Goku connection, the legendary super saiyan wishes to cement his status as the apex predator and the protagonist, who happens to be the next strongest, challenges his existence for that title, that's why their connection works.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 the strongest character on that planet at that time is Gohan and he was ignored
Goku was no more of a threat to Broly than anyone before he absorbed energy.
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos
The films belong to their own continuity, in context the story clearly portrayed Goku as stronger; Gohan run through a wall and obliterated, Goku continued the entire time. Plus your analysis conveniently overlooks the fact that the idea of this movie focuses on the pure blood saiyans, and not half breeds.
You clearly didn't watch my video or at least paid attention to it, but the story implies Broly doesn't remember the crying the most you can say the story infers would be that the fist going through his body jogged his memory and even that is open to interpretation as you could also the writers included that as symbolism for an inability to escape fate.
Broly surviving king Vegeta's knife could be figuratively construed as a victory. His obession over the name Kakerot(to) began in Second Coming not his one, everything in the film suggest that Goku's energy instinctually unnerved Broly and not that memory played a motivating factor. Broly Cried while clashing against Frieza's ki because the act itself represents willpower in the movie, Broly cries meant he refused to accept death from Frieza and Goku's represented how he wouldn't bow before a a stronger saiyan.
I'm just going to say you're looking for excuses to hate Broly, rather than accepting he's not as bad as you wish him to be.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 and my point was that the story focusing on Goku's significance in Broly's mind, associating his awakened fighting spirit with him is weak because compared to what happened on the same day, Goku's presence or ki shouldn't have any impact and give more importance to this as "the first defeat" since there is no way to convince anyone that being stabbed and thrown in the trash to die can be interpreted as a victory
he would have died if the explosion didn't wake him up, king vegeta won
and if the story was to be focused on pure blood saiyans Broly should have associated his trauma to Vegeta since it was his father who sentenced him to death and it was the planet Vegeta that he had to fight still a baby to live, even more than the plot of the movie is about how Paragus manipulated Broly to be his revenge weapon against Vegeta and you won't convince me that he didn't get it into Broly's head that everything that happened to him is king vegeta's fault.
and what a nice gaslight because I said in my comment that I just think the Broly-goku connection is stupid not the character itself, having the movie focus on Goku when he shouldn't have relevance in Broly's life, and Broly doesn't affect Goku's life or mindset for him he's just a strong bad guy.
But if the story is about pureblood saiyan and destiny, Broly is everything that Vegeta always wanted to be, the legend he was denied and who will now destroy his new kingdom because of factors he could not control, being crushed by a power. It's hate directed at him that it wasn't his fault, similar to Broly's story and now he has to fight and overcome the legendary power he so desired going against the fate that was forced upon him and denied to him.
it could be a story of stronger parallels and Broly remembering that day with Vegeta defeating it makes more sense, rather than something so crudely connected in a one-sided relationship based on giving and inventing more importance to irrelevant events
and being honest you focus too much on accepting and defending mediocrity to the point of lying about my motivation, it's petty and pure projection
@Kaio Vinicius Silva Santos
King Vegeta planned to kill Broly, he failed, therefore Broly beat a death sentence/fate.
Vegeta cowered (lost his will to fight) before the might of Broly, that's why the legendary super saiyan didn't care about him. Again Goku showed no fear of Broly (upheld his fighting spirit), that's why, he became the target. Paragus seeking revenge on the Vegeta lineage, which the movie did, operates way better than it would have with Broly.
Vegeta's role basically fulfills what you wanted Broly to be. If Broly played the part you fantasize about him being then he would have lost his personality, on paper he might have sounded deeper, but then he would have lost his dominance the best aspect of him.
You say you don't hate Broly, but then you criticize his motivation at every turn, leave an unprovoked 5 paragraph negative comment on a video praising him, refer to his movie as mediocre and write fanfiction on how to improve him; yeah I'm the one who's projecting. The only one gaslighting here, is yourself.
It was just ptsd ... I've been telling people this for over a decade now. This is just reaching at straws lmao.
You’re actually the one reaching for straws by saying it’s ptsd. Saying it’s ptsd is head-canon because it was never stated in the movie or by the directors. This video on the other hand is actually backed by the statements in the movie.
Amazing, every word you just said was wrong.
Person with PTSD here.
Broly meeting Goku again and having cold sweats, flashbacks, and flashes of red hot anger going 0 to 100 are all indicative psychological traits and physiological traits of PTSD. I have had them before when confronted with my abusers or people that remind me of my sources of trauma. I have seen psychologists on this, and had years of therapy on it.
There is medical backing for Broly having PTSD, not so much for the head canon you want to talk about with his "latent fighting spirit".
Sure, he is a Saiyan, and sure, by their nature they love to fight and have a sadistic streak, and while his hate for Goku would not have changed him being destructive, we are not talking about his sadistic nature here. We are talking about the crying scene and his motivations to hate Goku so much.
If Saiyans could not handle Goku beating them or just anyone beating them, they would get pissed about losing after just one L, they would turn into drooling semi sapient that can only say the name of the one they took an L, but they don't. Vegeta for example didn't LIKE Goku for years after being emasculated by him time and again, but he didn't only say his name over and over again and literally no other dialogue. Sure, he referred to him as his Saiyan name, but that was out of pride for their race, pride being such a big part of Vegetas personality they literally named a form called Super Saiyan EGO after him later in Supers manga. Same goes for Filler like with Nappa. In GT and filler with Nappa coming back he didn't even HAVE dialogue. He disliked Vegeta for killing him but he didn't turn into a drooling monkey that wanted to only say one word. Vegeta also took a dirt nap due to Frieza, and yet when he was revived and got the chance to fight him again in Super he didn't turn into, you get the gist.
Also stomping the will of others and not focusing on his past is part of PTSD cope. I dont like to even talk about my past, and I went out of my way to build my body and get stronger, adopting an online personality that literally assumes the role of a king to avoid feeling as weak as I did when I let my guard down, and trusted someone who stabbed me in the back. It is called wall building. Broly obsessing about dominating his victims is not just Saiyan psychological traits, it is him trying to openly forget his trauma. Again, I have the experience you dont in this field. You just have your opinions on it, as stated by statements like "I just feel that".
Also why didn't he mention the word cry? Simple as how I don't like to use the word "Pockets" to refer to my abuser, I openly go out of my way to use the word "Compartments" because if I DO use the other word, it gives me a PTSD episode and only makes me feel worse. It is trauma, not just a "bad memory" as you so callously downplay it as.
You should do some research on how this mental affliction works from those that actually have it, before you discredit peoples posts on it for favor of "He SeNSeS thEY aRe DA bEeG StROnK" as your logic.
Going further, you should not assume that just because the voice actress was the same that it was the same cry. Dub and sub as well as manga has gone on to explicitly state that Goten only shares an uncanny similarity to Goku in LOOKS, not voice. This is why the dub went out of its way to give him his own unique voice, both as a kid, and as an adult. Casting choice of the OG is irrelivant to your point.
The only thing I am content with in this needed but misplaced analysis video, is that you finally got a REAL microphone and stopped with that dimestore mic that popped all over the place.
Notifications are off, not about to argue my PTSD experience with a neurotypical
For those interested in a response ...
I believe the original poster analyzes Broly through his own personal lens and projects himself onto the character rather than objectively viewing him. If you seek a specific conclusion, you'll read the facts in a way to support your desired outcome.
Broly's cold sweats only occurred while under the influence of the mind control device and never after its removal, likewise the flashback sequence originate from the mind of Paragus, not Broly, the scene began and ended with Paragus gazing at Broly. Also Broly never experienced bouts of anger, on the contrary every moment where he came off as wild and destructive he actually expressed happiness and satisfaction rather than rage, such as smiling while licking his blood after fighting Goku or laughing as he rampaged through cities prior to Paragus' blinding. The nearest to anger he ever came occurred while Paragus forcibly suppressed planted the mind control device on his head, which situationally perfectly justifies his frame of mind.
Real world evidence supports my stance of the cries symbolizing "latent power" or the sign of a great warrior, as the country of Japan celebrates a 400 year old festival known as "The Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival" where they hold a contest to intentionally make babies cry to find the loudest. The cited purpose of why they hold festival states that they do so because according to folklore the it A) wards off evil spirits and B) indicates that a loud cry means a baby will grow up strong and healthy. Besides if the writers wished to construct Broly as a victim of PTSD, why did they write him as such an unsympathetic villain or at the least not mention how his past lead him a stray.
In Second Coming additional affects besides his loss drove him crazy: severe injury, his massive power overtaking his mind and from the fact that he spent seven years in total isolation frozen in a block of ice.
In regards to dominating others; the guards watching an infant Broly's nursery imply that the young saiyan already enforces his will upon others meaning that he did so prior to his PTSD.
The argument of Goten's voice and appearance, did they ever state that he sounded different than Goku? Just because it was never stated doesn't mean it isn't true. Plus movies follow their own continuity, so it doesn't have to follow the same logic as the canon.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Good response, I don't know why the other guy got so angry and defensive for. It definitely feels like he's projecting himself onto Broly and making him out to be a character that he isn't.
@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 I appreciate the positive feedback, its makes me more glad that I responded to his comment.
Lol dude thinks he did something by turning the notifications off and running
Great video
@brandonbrown2973
Thanks, glad you enjoyed