@@MasonTaylor22 bro I can’t even lie. This is one of the worst and most inaccurate videos I’ve ever seen. The moment you said super is all about goku, when GT is literally db goku time, this video lost credibility💀
The thing is, goku in dbz isn't stupid. He has shown on multiple occasions he is incredibly intelligent, but he just isn't educated. Goku in GT is mostly the same, but Goku in Super acts like a literal child.
Every time I spent even a second watching/reading Super, I thought the same thing. He was very intelligent, he was just extremely naive about a lot of things, but when you think about it, Goku has the most well thought out ingenious battle tactics. Torpedo Kamehameha's against Frieza to distract and leave him open and Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha against Cell are two examples of this.
always liked how GT showed the characters aged up and matured. Vegeta is a chill dad, Gohan and Vide are parents, Goten is a typical teenager, Trunks is a distinguished gentleman lol.
I absolutely love what GT did, although I’m aware the execution was far from perfect. When you strip it down to its core, it is basically a very melancholic story about a grandfather going on a last adventure with his granddaughter before having to say the inevitable goodbye; which is already heartwarming/tear jerker in and of itself, but that further rises to ABSURD levels if you think of the whole thing as basically Goku’s ultimate redemption for his “original sin”, the unintentional murder of Grandpa Gohan. It’s not a coincidence, I think, that the circumstances of Ssj4’s awakening are basically what Goku wish had happened the night Gohan died: that he had managed to control the Oozaru and save him. And this time he actually makes it, sparing Pan, his own grandchild, the fate that befell old Gohan. Put this together with the OG Dragon Ball scene where Goku and Gohan meet again at Baba’s tournament, and a waterfall of tears will be the inevitable result. This kind of love for the heart of Dragon Ball’s mythology is why I like GT, and why I’ll always see it as the canon ending to Goku’s journey. As for Super, on the other hand… yeah, it’s… a series of cool fights. Very cool, sometimes. Way cooler than GT’s, for sure. But that’s it. No heart, no themes, no story. Some hints here and there maybe, but nothing more than that.
I just rewatched GT after about 20 years and realized a level of depth present in the writing that surprised me a lot. The evil four star dragon turned good partially out of respect for Goku BUT, also the bond that Goku had with that ball his entire childhood. I thought they were going to ignore it altogether... and then they go and do something like that. Which is entirely consistent with the overarching story and their theme of turning some evil characters around. A bit of an underwhelming character as a whole, I'll admit, but fantastic idea. Which is a general gripe I have with GT as a whole. They have a lot of great ideas with subpar execution. Especially the animation itself feels like they were very pressed for time.
Yeah I didn’t see that cooler fight part of anything I think the fights is where the gas is gone out of the tank gold freeza was super boring the whole time the lord Beerus fights got old quickly becuz I feel they failed to show us ssjb or god mode was any better then any of his other forms
@@lewanbroski504 what about DBH, it's got a manga and a anime on top of a game. Besides seeing as DBH is ongoing and xenoverse is canon to it, it can be argued xenoverse is canon just to a difrent continuity. IDK why but the dragon ball fandom never seemed to understand that there could be more than one continuity. I thought we would at least learn now that super has to distinct continuities both separate but comfimed to be canon(the dbs anime and manga) Oh well
Literally the only thing the introduced was ssj4 and baby. There’s nothing else. Super expands on the god hierarchy that started in early db with the introduction of gods of destruction, angels, and zeno. They expand on supreme Kai lore as well with more backstory of the grand supreme Kai. The expand on the saiyain lore with ssg, the u6 saiyains, and broly. They expand on frieza’s effect on the universe with the granolah arc. Super for sure did this better. It’s not even close.
introducing things my ass! the one thing gt did successfully was COMPLETELY RUIN THE MEMORIES OF OG DB for me! the writers went 'oh no! goku is way too strong now wtf to do. i know why not turn him into a fucking child!' if youve watched og naruto and then shippuden and then they create a series where naruto turns into the og naruto ... thats whats called dumbassery and pathetic creation! same for db... even in dbz goku wasnt that all matured lemme remember the time where he got overconfident and m.vegeta knocked him out, when he instaead of training gohan further just surrendered and gave SENZU BEAN AND SO MANY MORE EGS! SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BULL SHIT.... and indtroducing!!!! the brought back super 17 you idiot which can easily be WORST SAGA IN ANIME
Literally GT is so bad at storytelling🤣 they literally brought back nappa outta nowhere and then vegeta kills him immediately which makes no sense💀 and then for some odd reason they turn goku into a kid again🤦♂️ I honestly don’t know how anyone watches GT SHIT
I'm not a fan of either but I'd take GT over Super any day GT does have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Super Saiyan 4 SSJ4's design was genius becoming more animal like that Blue Hair form from Super is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation
It stays more true to Saiyan heritage rather than god thingy. Also, the main reason they did the god saiyan probably because due to laziness. You know, reskin, recolor, no need to redesign, ez job
"but I'd take early Z over late Z any day early Z goes have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Kaioken's design was genius becoming more buffed the more you strained your body showing the ki trying to escape while barely being contained, like that Yellow Hair form from late Z is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation" Do you see how retarded it sounds when I complain about pretty much the same thing?
I don’t know why people do not like part one of GT because it drags out but I mean... Have they ever heard of something called world building? Goku in Super is a kid in an adult body while GT Goku is an adult in a child’s body
I haven't watched gt I heard that it is trash compared to super,is it really true,but I hate dragon ball super it's only about fights there is no good villan or plot,so if gt is even worse then super then idk what to do.
@@layman_1822 Well, I really liked GT, but I've never watched Super, and I'm not exactly planning on it. I'm not sure if GT is better than DB or Z, but sure isn't far behind in my estimation. It don't think it gets quite as funny as Dragon Ball (I've only watched the beginning and the first part of muscle tower, and I found the ninja fight to be absolutely hilarious), nor does the action feel quite as cool as the Frieza arc, but it's a good blend of both, imo. As for the music, I do like the English intro, although I've never listened to the Japanese intro. I'm not sure if you'll like it, but I'd recommend you give it a shot. I liked the whole series, but my favourite part was that first arc. Also, I'm a huge of fan of Pan and Giru, and Adult Trunks is the best version of his character I've seen. I really like his outfit, and I feel like I'd been waiting to see him ever since the introduction of Future Trunks and the Tapien movie. Cool series all around.
Because the characters and their interactions are bland and boring. I could write some garbage and call it "world building", too, it doesn't mean it's actually good. I've read books where it's mostly 2 characters, do they "muh world building" to be good?
The thing i loved about gt is the uniqueness in the villains the villiains in gt had tactics on how to defeat their enemy rather than using raw power gt also did not overuse transformations and kept power level realtively stable while in super transformations were so overused that transformations like super saiyan 1 posed no meaning and there was no reason to use ssj1 when they had ssb and super really did not have anything like an adventure and it never really explore the depths of universe 7 while super expanded so much to the other universes it forgot to reveal lore about the main chracter's universe what a shame,Also the threats posed to the z warriors in super were not even a threat at all as goku and vegeta had got so strong that at this point they were unstoppable In the end,All i want to say is that super is good its not bad but gt is not trash either u see i was one of the fanboys who jumped on the bandwagon that gt is trash for no reason but after watching gt boy i feel like an idiot now For all those people who havent even watched Gt watch it till the end trust me it wont dissapoint i could even dare say its better than super but in the end they both are dragon ball i dont care whichever's the best as long as dragon ball wins i am happy
Thanks for opening your eyes and spitting out the cool aid. I know there's a sizable faction of GT haters who've never seen the series which pisses me off. I hope more people would follow your lead.
Oh, for sure. The GT Title music is SO good. Fabio Lima does a great Acoustic cover of the Dragon Ball GT Theme. th-cam.com/video/BRz3PyfFQQM/w-d-xo.html
Aujuai Hughes I agree people hate on it for no reason I dared people to say why it’s bad and literally what they say is what’s so bad about super and it shows dbgt is way better
I love GT more then super Because it's the closest thing to dbz and I love limits unlike DBZ God and universe and then something beyond that Its just joke DBZ is not just about being superior and fighting without a story line
That’s the issue. Gt tried so hard to copy from db and z that it never had its own tone. That’s why with the ending, it only showed memories from db and z instead of gt itself. Which made everything that happened feel pointless. Super had elements from db and z, and it also established its own tone.
@@leultrainstinct406 if it had showed memories from gt it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. Gt included segments of its own in piccolo’s death and that made it terrible. It using its own was not a good thing. You really are reaching. Super also had moments from z, what’s your point?
@@leultrainstinct406 Yeah Super established it's own tone and that's the reason why it's so bad. In Super Goku acts like a retarded child all the time, yeah that's definitely a great tone.
GT's tone is also darker and more serious it was the right direction of the show. Super is way too light hearted and like I think you said earlier it's almost like a parody of DBZ.
True but to be fair Super was a time period where it was more peaceful too so they wanted to try something different to GT even though GT was also a time period of peace.
@@petepangtele182 I guess lol. It just would’ve made more sense to build a more serious tone to compete with modern anime AND to appease your now aging fan base. I think they might have also targeted a younger audience with super that’s the only thing that makes sense for some of the characters we see in the show.
The Goku black arc was the only serious arc, and it was still pretty laid back. The infamous kissing scene and Goku forgetting to bring sensu beans showcase the writers lack of effort to build tension.
@@Eric-gw1uo that and beerus and whis were still around defending the main timeline like that just kills all the tension immediately. wtf is black gonna do when he arrived at that timeline? beerus will just destroyed him and it turns out that taking over one timeline is just impossible anyway since zeno of that timeline will erase it no matter what if black/zamasu acts up. the entire killing all mortals plan was stupid to begin with. when you think about it, the tension really doesn't exist and the main cast really didn't even need to go back to the past.
@@OTG1776 I don’t get this feeling at all. GT’s tone doesn’t feel dark in the slightest. It’s too goofy and childish with its humor and such. Super is way darker than you give it credit for, like when Frieza tortured Gohan in Resurrection F, when Zamasu murdered Bulma right in front of Trunks, when Zamasu bragged about killing Goten and Chi-Chi, etc.
Lets be honest about golden Frieza. Frieza essentially turned super saiyan. It is nothing like his other transformations they are not mutations or something horrifying which is the whole point of his character. The gold form is like a power multiplier that has a gold form to compensate for the lack of hair
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 Crappy writing strikes again. I mean isn't the whole point of colour is to reflect the personality and aura. Like how vegeta was more darker and it is more bright when powered up
I don't like either but I at least respect GT for it's art direction, for most of it the world design reminded me of the namek saga because since it didn't took place on earth they had to go for more _surreal_ settings, the villans visual design was really well done (with Baby being the standout) and SJJ4 is IMO the best saiyan form ever designed because it's actually a major redesing instead of a hairdo. Super's art direction on the other hand is terrible, none of the villans visual design are memorable, they are downright generic (Giran) or lazy (Black) hell the most memorable villan from super is Frieza who's not even an original character from that series. Not to mention all new saiyan forms which are supposed to be more imposing than SJJ4 are literal hair recolors of base and SJJ1 Goku/Vegeta. Also while I don't enjoy GT as a whole, Baby arc and the ending were really good while none of Supers arc are good to begin with.
@@leultrainstinct406 so super's only great quality is ultra instinct. Something that has been around since the original dragon ball on turned into a technique
@@christopherford39atleast vegeta does does something in super. Unlike vegeta who was a background character until omega shebron came. Gohan does nothing in gt. I mean except getting controlled by baby. Goten does nothing, except getting controlled by baby. Trunks, still does nothing. Goku now is bunable to use instant transmission just because hes smaller?
Fans were obsessed with Z fighting that it blinded them from the beauty of adventure that GT presented, that’s the truth unfortunately nowadays many (not all) only wants fighting not story.
Nehaal Khalid Then What about about Super? Feels like Nothing but a rehash of Dbz with too much plot holes, at least GT had a great ideas even if Excuted poorly, it still tried and it did deliver on some points like the baby arc and ssj4 and ssj4 Gogeta plus we saw all the characters actually grown up and we were given a true finale and saw how the story of the franchise end, the GT story is more original and makes more sense to be the continuation of Dragon ball Z
Goku is so selfish and unlikable in Super. The humour and Beerus were keeping me going but I just finished the Beerus saga and I’m not interested in watching meaningless fights where the unlikable, unrelatable, irrelevant protagonist wins yet again by yelling to the point his hair changes a new colour. The fucking worst is the 1 minute explanation of how Goku can still hurt Beerus after losing Super Saiyan God level because of muscle memory. Like you were barely holding your own with him in Super Saiyan God form now you’ve lost that and your doing better. Translation: it makes no actual sense but it’s impractical to have the super Saiyan god ritual done every time and we can’t max out his power level here and just make an exception for our lazy writing because it’s Goku. It’s an insult to fans with a brain, it’s an insult to Beerus, Ares or any other actual gods of war/destruction. This guy said it best, Dragon Ball Super is a parody and a cash grab.
The worst of this is that Goku supposedly absorbed this God Ki into his base form. But apparently Frieza and so many others are able to catch up to that in less time. Oh let's not forget Granolah made a wish and caught up to 20 years of development which also beats Frieza's record of 4 months of training. That's pure bullshit at its finest and no Super fan has addressed that elephant in the room.
The way I see it is that the base God ki was temporary and expended when Goku nullified Beerus' blast. And I disagree with Goku being selfish. Before you mention T.O.P Goku just asked for a friendly tournament between universes and not like when Beerus and Champa did one without permission and could have gotten erased. With regards to Goku sparing Frieza I will give you that one.
@@leultrainstinct406 try to find a person with an ultra instinct profile picture NOT meat riding super. Hard challenge. Will be embarrassing when you guys yet older
Syed no it doesn’t like he said And the internet at that time wasn’t even really developed infact you were probably in your fathers ball sack at that time
i wouldnt mind if they rebooted GT if its the same team that rebooted Broly. So much potential. Like the z-fighter line up in rebooted GT would be: Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub. The rebooted version needs keep this concept: -ssj4 -baby -shadow dragons -soundtrack -The ending of gt
@@StooRoxxAss I'm not gonna start about gt vs super debate so I'm just gonna say gt animation is no where dragon ball Z . Even super just ignoring the bad start and all the bad episodes it had at last two episodes that the animation was superior compared to Z and everything else we saw earlier
Totally agreed. GT is by no means a perfect series but Super was, to my disappointment, far, far worse. I agree with anyone that GT = basically Goku Time (Pan got screwed bigly), but Super tried to weirdly force the secondary characters as a gesture to fans, and then thew it away with the Tournament of Power saga. And personally, the Tournament of Power saga was the most boring, cringy, and predictable arc of the entire series.
Yeah the ToP was some hot garbage. Literally everyone knew how it’d turn out which isn’t something you can say of any other arc in the series except for maybe the pilaf arc, the characters abilities were straight up ignored, they had people acting totally out of character, gokus base gets literally 2,000,000x stronger in 40 minutes and they didn’t even have the decency to keep a consistent art style sometimes they’d literally switch art styles several times in a single episode
he learned his lesson from buu saga that he should never be rusty. besides in GT pan's old enough to defend herself. so he got more time to train and work.
Doesn't seem like it??? Both Goku and Gohan fought base form General Rildo..... a being Goku stated was superior to Majin Buu.... Even if you lowball this to Fat Buu, for both Goku and Gohan to fight this being is their base form (and be even as Gohah/ be vastly superior as Goku) is HUGE. Their base forms in Z would have been utterly destroyed with ease.....
I actually agree with this video. GT at least tried a new direction. It’s shortcomings were in part by the writers strike. DBS is just bad writing. My biggest beef with it aside just another power up excuse is the fact they put master roshi in the TOP instead of Yamcha. Fights were nice but they series felt devoid of any soul. Even the Dan-Dan opening song has more heart. Completely agree with this argument
Yea whats funny is that the mangaka who draws super (toriyama writes the story) was making his own fan sequel to DBZ and it was so good he got hired and canceled his own manga to make super which is legitimately way worse. There are atleast 3 dbz fan manga sequals that are better then super by a pretty big margin.
@@MoscoPortfolio what do you mean? GT doesn’t move in a new direction at all, it stays the same course and loops back to such familiar plot points like Android 17 and monsters from outer space(which we already saw in the form of the Saiyans, Frieza, and Buu). Super is the show that goes in a new direction by focusing on the Gods and the Multiverse. I agree with what you said about Yamcha’s disrespect though
@@MasterCombatantGT was an hommage, but they were the first to bring 17 back in a new way, explain his power up, evil dragons, consequences of abusing wishes, not to mention took bebi and ssj4. Uub was relatively well done, pan and trunks were sharing the spotlight and not the usual Goku/vegeta dynamics. DBS was just a different hair colour, bland villain in Jiren (who reminds me of tenshinhan in the 22 tournament). the ending of GT was emotional and very much felt like "tjis is the end". dbs from had huge potential with BoG but all of a sudden, freeza, 17, tournament, and just bigger dragonballs. felt very much the same. moro is interesting 0:05 , granolah was a total fanfic, its as if the studio didnt know what to do nut they wanted more money. i dont know maybe its just me
GT is better Squel, in fact it's should have been cannon in the first place, Super feels like it's doesn't belong anywhere, it's just a series with DB name in it
@@Omega-jg4oq Couldn't have said it better Literally the Super retcons almost make it seem like Goku shouldn't have existed because if the gods did their jobs, then a lot could have been prevented
@@DarkLore1992 Super happens in the time skip, they literally try to cram in so much stuff that the little things like Goten and Trunks becoming teens are just skipped out on Nah, only transformations and pretty colors are the new meta for dbs I mean I literally can't think of this as a serious sequel to Dbz
GT is the superior show plain and simple. In the Baby arc GT did more with Goten/Trunks than Super has in 5 shitty arcs which includes 2 pointless tournaments
Super lacked in the villains department. Not including the Frieza revival arc since it was originally a Z movie, the entirety of Super only had real one villain, Goku Black/Zamasu. Everybody else were just warriors fighting for their survival. And even then, Goku Black wasn’t even a new original villain. It was just basically evil Goku, which was already pretty much done before, albeit briefly and on a smaller scale, when Ginyu switched bodies. Don’t get me wrong. I love Super; the ToP was a lot of fun to watch, but it needed one more arc with a new and original true villain.
Thanks man! To be fair I'm kind of a one hit wonder so far. lol I need to make more content. I've got lots of ideas for videos, but I've got grad school and work going right now. As soon as I graduate, I hope to make many more!
I did not believe that it was over, I did not want to believe ,that I would never see the further adventures of my favorite heroes, I love GT because it has a similar atmosphere to the original, not like super, full of humor, strange humor and rubber characters, but the end of GT, it was a heartbreaker
No, why would he bring up the endings if Dragon Ball Super isn't even over? Yall GT fans are reaching now, GT is good, but Super is better. The only good arc of GT was the baby arc, and his powers and abilities were not even very origonal, Baby was essentially just a combinition of the worst aspects of Super Buu and Cell.
Actually, DBS fans don't argue about this. It's the childish nostalgic DBGT fanboys who always start this arguement, and then they get triggered when someone says DBS is better. There is a reason why DBS broke streaming service on multiple occasion my friends 😛
@@jantheking7028 I don't get this argument, both suck, they're both bad sequels to the original 2 Dragon Ball series. There's a lot of trash that gets a lot of attention, how does that make it good, though? I'm not defending GT, that's a big pile of garbage as much as Super is.
1 correction GT takes place after the end of Z whereas Super is set after the defeat of Majin Buu but before end of Z during that 10 year period I entirely agree I find that GT is better than super although there are parts of super that I enjoy, GT has more heart to it I feel and even though it has its problems (some it shares with Super) it just has more heart and does have better story concepts. GTcan be summed up as a series about consequences whether it foolish wishes, revenge for past crimes, or abusing the dragon balls Ssj4 is also an amazing transformation that fits with the lore of the Saiyans
I love DBS more than GT. GT is a better written show in terms of story, but Super is more memorable. I watched GT twice, and one of the times was last year and I remember nothing. I watched Dragon ball Super back in 2018 and I remember everything about the TOP, Black Goku saga, and u6 vs u7 saga.
@@jantheking7028 gt isnt a better story really. Its more like good concepts with poor execution. Its proven by the fact that the fans can only bring the baby arc and maybe the shadow dragons arc, but that would be a stretch, as a defence for the story when in supers case there is the goku black arc, the u6 vs u7 arc and the top arc. Gt is considered bad due to the insane focus on goku and pan and to poor execution of the stories in general, but it has some things that are way better than super. One of those things is ssj4. This is a far greater transformation than ssg, ssb or ui. It fits better with the lore and has weight behind it, unlike the others that just...uninteresting really. Not even ui seems interesting. It only makes goku faster and have a better reaction time...just another pointless transformation.
@@andrei3436 Baby saga was their best story from GT for sure,Super 17 and Shadow Dragons were okay,the black star ball saga was absolute garbage I refuse to watch it ever again.You said there were a few things in GT that were way better than Super,other than the Super Saiyan 4 transformation that you mentioned what else is there? All the people that claim that GT is way better than Super is because of character development but the only character that mattered was Goku,they either made everyone else irrelevant or killed them off.Trunks did nothing special and Pan was just flat out annoying.
I have to say. Although Toriyama is writing super. He is way older and his idea's aren't as fresh. The man didn't even want to revisit dragon ball but was constantly pressured because there's a market for it. So what he did was write out the general story like a book and let the animators interpret it how they may which is why super feels like such a mess of idea's.
@aubueruser7228 You're exactly right. The reason why is because he stated himself, "Being on a weekly schedule to write new chapters was Hell." I can only imagine. Must be the same reason Naruto's creator Kishimoto and possibly other creators have little involvement with their stories once they end and a spinoff is created.
To me, GT's ending is the BEST ending of all Anime, it is the proper ending and a respectful farewell to our most beloved character Goku. Every time I watch the GT's ending I have tears in my eyes; I considered it is the TRUE ending of Dragon Ball.
I find it impressive how GT had almost no involvement from Akira and yet managed to be incredible, in Dragon Ball Super it really gives the impression that he was tired and only continued writing because he had to. (Which is still true)
Video aged like fine wine The writing was on the wall way back then: Now there's transformations of SSJ in every color and edgy fan forms have been made canon.
Gohan did NOT become weak in GT, in the perfect files it said he kept training. The reason he looks weak is because GT's villains are just that much more powerful.
It's kinda funny because I think the reason GT is more tonally consistent is because it's right off the heels of the DBZ run. Where as Super feels more like it's panging to nostalgia almost as if it's going "HEY HEY! REMEMBER.... DrAgOn BaLl!??" which is weird considering globally next to Pokemon I'd say Dragon ball is the most pervasive widespread bit of popularized anime that everyone knows about. Where GT tried to build on the Lore from preexisting content, Super tries creating callbacks to the past as content for no reason. Where GT can be disappointing when it misses a beat, Like for example most don't like GT Trunks, They liked the memory of super cool Future Trunks... But when Super gives you Future Trunks back... it's just hollow. Whereas we may liked the Battle-hardened Post-apocalypse future Trunks, he existed for a reason to make it so one future would be better than the other. When you reintroduce him it undermines his sacrifice he made and the character Arc he had to go through to achieve it.... It also greatly undermines the Trunks the saved timeline can become. Someone whose more carefree and looking for adventure.
Honestly, if I were to give my own opinion on why I like GT more than Super, I'd be repeating what others have said. Instead, I'm gonna say this….. How do we go from a story about adventure to a more action oriented story to a story that starts as an adventure before becoming more action to an official parody? In a way, GT felt like a conclusion to a much greater story. A story that wouldn't have happened if Goku hadn't met Bulma. A story about adventure and making friends out of enemies. That is what OG Dragon Ball is about, adventure. Z is a continuation of that initial story, but, focusing more on action as a sign of the characters growing. The ending to Z will never not put a smile on my face. GT, as another commenter put it, is a story about a grandfather going on a final adventure with his granddaughter before inevitably having to say goodbye. GT's ending will always make me tear up no matter what. GT is the culmination of everything that happened since the beginning of OG Dragon Ball. Goku feels like a veteran after everything he's gone through. Super just feels disappointing. It reduces the story to a joke, especially Goku. As much as I love Beerus and Whis, this just felt like a retcon. Super Saiyan God and Blue don't just feel as special as Super Saiyan 4. SSJ4 felt powerful and a way of bringing Goku and Vegeta back to their roots as Saiyans.
I agree with almost everything, but the comment on the Cell Saga. I personally think it was by far the best saga. The threat felt like it was real with Cell. A powerful Villain who was practically Immortal with all the strengths of every powerful known fighter with very few weaknesses able to regenerate from almost nothing. A monster that skulked around sucking the life force from thousands of humans hunting them down like they were ants if not more considering how strong he was compared to 17, and Piccolo. Then when he powered up before absorbing 17, and destroying Piccolo as you could hear the screams of all his victims in his power trying to come out. Omg that shit gave me chills the first time I watched it. Easily the best power-up in all of DB IMO. Imperfect Cell's best quote "I could absorb you Piccolo, but I have all that I need of your being in my cell structure already you are of no value to me anymore you are just refuse. Goodbye."
id say frieza was the climax of dragon ball cell was the last serious arc but it had too many bs writing like how cell said you have to destroy my head to kill me when goku literally did that
Gt felt like db and Z. It never felt like GT. And that’s the issue. It never er had its own tone. It survived purely off nostalgia. This is evident in the first arc which is just copy and paste of db adventures at a FAR worse quality. Super not only had elements from db and z, but it had its own tone as well. Also super had better character designs. The angels, the g.o.d.s. Goku black and zamasu. Moro. Merus. Hit. Broly. Etc.
@@leultrainstinct406 Super doesn't have elements from DB and Dbz, which planet are you to say that? Super is the reason why DB shouldn't have a future sequel, the animation is so garbage and it's look like a sharp and shining and crappy with no blood to make it kid friendly, Goku black and hit might be cool, but the rest is bad and boring, don't even try to make some excuses.. It's the truth
GT may not be canon however canon doesnt matter much when it comes to QUALITY and people should not over glorify akira as a writter cause he alone was not the sole reason of DBZ success much like butch hartman is not the only person responsible for the fairly odd parents.
i’m telling you. if gt had those fancy pants forms and flashy beams super has, with literally no change of story changes, the dbs kids who never read or tries to understand what story means will go head over heels and call it peak fiction.
Gt's story is literally goku geta turned into a kid by thw black star dragon balls which are spread across the universes. Why on earth does dende have them? Do you even have a ship? How do people from the other universes know about the black star dragon balls being used?? Nevermind that. Goku goe son ship to a planet or universe whatever. And coincidentally a dragon radar is right where they land. I honestly forgot most of this so ill skip to where theyve collected 2 black star dragon balls. Baby ransomely comes and knows exactly where earth ia. Cobtrols everyone there. Finally we get to see characters fight. Oh wait, they ONLY use ki blasts and ounches. Thats veey boring. Atleast goku uses kamehamehas and stuff. Goku transforms into a great ape because he sees the earth. What? He sees a picture of his family and goes ssj4. Baby vegeta somehow turns into a golden great ape. Without having a tail? Also hes in full control why isnt he going ssj4? After that horrendous arc, its super 17. How do you make androids in hell? Not muxh to say about this villain since hes veyr boring and has an awful design. Goku kills him using a standard punch nothing else needed. Then earth is destroyed because of the black star dragon balls not being found in time. They get earth back. Oh wait not they. He.he gwts earth back and uses earths dragon balls to revive everyone or smth? Now for the shadow dragons arc. Thunder shenron bw dying to rrain. Mole shenron be running from goku and pan for the whole episode. Hot ahenron teams up with thw guy who killed his brother.. Vegeta gets ssj4 instantly using a machine Goku and vegeta throw ki blasts and punches at omega shenron. Vegeta instantly comes to the conclusion that a fusion muat be done. You do the fusion but then dont even do the job? Nice character development vegeta! I thought you changed! Fusion ends. They try fusing again but too weak. Goku uses spirit bomb. Omega shenron whos stronger than buu cannot deflect or dodge!!! He didnt even use thunder drgaons abiloty to absorb any dmg. And the gt ending. This ones good. I cant lie. Did get me tearing up. In conclusion gt is trash.
I’ve loved GT since I was a child, the first dozen or so episodes are pretty forgettable but from baby saga onwards it’s brilliant, shadow dragon saga especially
Nah. Baby saga was good. Super 17 was absolutely horrible. Shadow dragon had a great concept but very poor execution. Then the ending was nice but solely because of db and z. Not because of any events in gt itself
Exactly GT is literally a nostalgic love letter to original DB with a message that everything eventually comes to an end, including all the adventures Goku had alongside his friends. It’s like the series acknowledges the audience has grown up and is saying to them “farewell, thank you so much for being with me since being a child and growing up with me and for all the adventures we had.” It’s like DB itself is speaking to you, hugging you, and saying goodbye to you. The ending leads up to this and it was heartbreaking. But it was also beautiful because Goku becomes like an omnipresent being who will always be there to guide all the next generations and watch the torch get passed on. I just don’t like how he straight up abandoned chi chi lol. I like to think they’re in heaven somewhere with Bardock Gine Gohan Goten and everyone else. It’s like a message saying “we will eventually all pass , but the idea of the adventure will live on forever”. This is BEAUTIFUL and FILLED with meaning and love. Overall the end of GT was like “all these legendary adventures and people are gone, but not forgotten , because Goku will always be there and watch over the next generations to come”. That was amazing and so nostalgic. Super is like …. Fight fight, fight , super extra form , fight fight fight fight, gods, destroy the universe, fight , Goku , vegeta, bad animation, fight fight. No emotion, no connection, no meaning , no nostalgia and love for the original series whatsoever
i think they should just continue the series with goku jr. so we have no old characters really to reestablish so we can just learn about new ones or you know redo original dragonball...
If only gt wasn’t a disgrace and the writers knew how to execute ideas, and give gt its own tone instead of milking db and z nostalgia lol. I’m just glad z got the canon sequel it deserved.
Super will end one day and it will be forgotten. All the grandeur surrounding it will end. It will die, simply cease to exist.. Infact, it's already dying. GT, like Z, is a monument. It's a gem, a jewel, a treasure. It's a classic and that's why It will stand tall for millennia. DBS on the other hand is insignificant, and it's end will be the same.
At least gt was original in power ups and villains super just recycles and recolors every old power up and villains then slaps a half assed name on em...half assed regurgitated power ups and half assed names for em
Thank you! I thought i was the only one. At least gt actually got character development down. Super ruins all of the characters and the stories are so pointless. The thing that ruined gt was the very slow and boring start but when they got to the baby arc then it finally got good
While I'm not a fan of either: Super or GT but of the 2 I think GT did a better job. GT: had more soul and effort, kept Goku's character, the fights had tension, realized Goku needed to be weakened, and was more mature noticing actions need to have consequences. Super has little lore and power levels/scaling made almost no sense with very little story. One reason why Super often is preferred might be that GT came out after DBZ and with fan fatigue at a high after the Buu Arc while Super brought the franchise back after a long hiatus
GT always had a special place in my heart. It brought back the adventure aspect of the original Dragon Ball while keeping the spirit of DBZ. I remember crying at the end of GT when Goku left with Shenron, very bitter sweet (“:
I enjoyed Dragon Ball GT more than anything else. The adventure, the soundtrack. I was completely mind blown as a kid and to this day there is not a single lore video about GT that I don't watch.
I'm from Brazil, and even here where dbz and dbgt are 2 classiscs of many people childhoods, dbgt is really underrated here, but the ones who like it will gladly show you why they love the gt lore more than dbs
GT is 9999x better than the bad animation no plot unoriginal forms too many forms that mean nothing and are just so that characters can power up quickly with almost no build up lookin ass DBS
I’ll be honest. I loved super 17. Baby is my favorite. But I do think 17 was a little underrated despite the way it came to be being awesome, but also kinda dumb. Also the ending of that fight made sense and people misinterpreted what was going on during ssj4 vs super 17. Mostly due to the bad writing during that fight. If you don’t know what I mean. Goku was trying to overload 17 with ki since he was absorbing it with a x10 kamehameha, he also showed signs that taking too much ki could be fatal. Goku tested this by shooting weak ki blasts. When he did super 17 body bulked harshly from absorbing. And prior in the fight super 17 was just too fast for goku to tag with an actual hit, and he couldn’t be blindsided either. Goku tried to use instant transmission to do so but 17s 6th sense of being able to sense the vibrations of the molecules goku is about to appear from allowed him to counter goku’s attacks nonstop. Super 17 was overconfident and goku took advantage of it when he tried a x10 Kamehameha. He had no other option since the fight was not in his favor to begin with, and it would be only a matter of time before he lost. So taking advantage of 17 overconfidence he gave super 17 even more energy with a x10 and almost caused him to explode from too much ki at once. Even (forgot his name) was worried 17 wouldn’t be able to absorb that much. After that failed the match was decided. And 18 saved the day, infinitely shooting ki blasts. And then, goku finally found super 17 one weakness, once he stops absorbing hi can’t stop, because it requires all the ki protecting his body in order to form the absorption barrier. And prior in the fight it was shown that once it’s up he never moves from his spot because he is unable to. His stance is the only thing keeping him from dying from a weak ki blast. Goku realizes this and with the last of his energy punches through 17.
Ssg shouldve just been the last transformation t.o.p should've been a martial arts tournemt going back to the world tournements and banned a ki attack and rely on there true inner power instead of ki and transformstions
One thing I appreciate about Gt was that Gohan was done justice. Admittedly, it sucks that he wasn't around too much, but from what we did see he is easily better handled than in super; He is portrayed not only to be a scholar but a powerful fighter who never stropped training post Buu by comparison to Super Gohan who stopped training, was weak enough that even Goku was doubtful of including him the U7 vs U6 Tournament, couldn't even transform into his mystic form until before the T.O.P only for that to somehow result in him being able to put up a fight against Goku who at this point should be league's above him and then even recently in Super Hero he still doesn't taking training seriously and got an undeserved power up in Beast with no training or work towards the form.
I like gt more than super for many things, but the biggest thing for me is simpley becease there is tension in gt. In super you have gods that can simply defeat or assist the hero's to defeat the villain. Look at how zamasu got defeated, look at how goku was able to defeat frieza after he blows up the planet in revival of f. All where doings of the gods that made them win in the end. There was 0 tension in those moments becease of those gods helping out. And the tournament of power also din't have tension. Simply because we all knew that they would wish back everyone who got erased by zeno, and the fact that super in the timeline is in between kid buu's death and the tournament uub was introduced. Meaning they couldn't let goku's Universe get erased simply becease that wouldn't have made sense for the end of z, that comes after super. Also i appsolutely HATE the potara fusion retcon. I will never forgive super for how the nerfed vegito. Now they made it look like that vegito had luck to get absorbed in time by super buu in z. And I hate that.
I agree completely that GT is better than Super. I also agree that aside from Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons, GT was a far cry from how good Z was. Yes the power levels are ridiculous in Super, and we even had Goku and Beerus almost punching apart the fabric of reality. But the feats are extremely inconsistent. Sometimes their fights barely effect the environment, despite having god ki or we have Krillin able to hold off Super saiyan blue. The animation also feels so much less gritty than the other dragon ball shows. The punches seem like they have no weight, the sound effects are different. They only usually get some dirt on their face and clothes, without there being much wounds like in z. The animation looks more childish also. Goku's personality is also way worse than other dragon ball shows. He was way more mature in Z and knew when to be serious. All in all, Super was barely enjoyable for me to watch. Also the fact that they still haven't surpassed Beerus after 6 or 7 years of being a show. I enjoyed some animations in the touranment of power arc. And also the Broly movie's animation. But I also dislike that they brought Broly back, it didn't seem necessary at all. I also dislike how they keep pumping out forms that barely can do anything and made og super saiyan useless. The forms also are just re colorings of their hair. Just so many dumb things about super. DBZ wasn't perfect, but it was so cool a show that it was forgivable. Super isn't even that enjoyable to watch. I kinda wish they just continued where dragon ball gt left for the story. Maybe they can make a super dragon ball gt after super is over.
I had to force myself to watch GT. I was bored within the first 20 episodes, then it got interesting during the baby arc, and then it was boring for the rest of the series. THe show was bad, but yall are probably the same people who have defended it since 1999 or something, so I'm not gonna argue with your nostalgia.
i just finished gt, my first dragon ball series. i picked it first because i know the basics of their relationships. i felt insane going online and seeing everyone hate this show. it felt like the biggest love letter ever
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯. I agree, but it is only marginally better than super, and the main cause of this is that gt is much more consistent in its lore than super is by a wide margin.
Skip super, it completely destroys upon everything dB, dbz built up. They made ssj3 a complete joke. The power creep is ridiculous and it is all fan service. Vegeta is now a maid who sucks on a pacifier. Goku is even dumber than ever. Oh and Gohan is not the future. As much as people complained about GT. It had the more satisfying ending and coolest form of all. Super just changes the hair color and calls it a day. GT is the rightful conclusion to the franchise. No tingle feeling or easily learning ssj2 in a few minutes.
Gohan should've called out goku for his stupidity. His selfishness engendered his wife and daughter. Goku used to be a more unique character. He was inspired by son wukong and a little bit of superman. But now, they revised his childhood ripping off the superman comics EVEN MORE. Most of his new abilities and forms are ripped from superman.
If anyone is old enough to remember the old DBAF fanfic and images online in the 00's, you'll see that Super seems to have borrowed quite a bit from those half-baked ideas as fan service. GT didn't do this. Yes it took risks that didn't pay off, but it also had a lot of interesting ideas that you won't see in Super. Like having a negative aspect to overusing the DBs, or returning to the terror that was the Saiyans with Baby and SSJ4. GT was just overall a more entertaining series than Super and felt final when it ended.
Call me crazy, but GT was awesome (with flaws), but Super is silly and full of flaws, but LOOKS awesome. I can't get into Super. It just doesn't feel like Dragon Ball. It feels like they just wanted to make this insane and bombastic show with characters from the original series. Everything has gotten ridiculous, God's and Angel's and all this nonsense. This was never even mentioned in the original Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z series'. I find Super to be super dumb, but some of the stuff is cool looking.
Finally. Being a GT fan is a lonely life.
There are literally dozens of us!
@@MasonTaylor22 yep it’s sad
Not really, people hates super. Its garbage.
@@MasonTaylor22 bro I can’t even lie. This is one of the worst and most inaccurate videos I’ve ever seen. The moment you said super is all about goku, when GT is literally db goku time, this video lost credibility💀
@@leultrainstinct406 supertard
The thing is, goku in dbz isn't stupid. He has shown on multiple occasions he is incredibly intelligent, but he just isn't educated. Goku in GT is mostly the same, but Goku in Super acts like a literal child.
For me Dragonball ended with GT but I still enjoy watching super
@@Mike0.03 same. It ended with the gt movie with goku junior for me
Yeah,he isnt the only character who has undergone flanderization.
Vegetas character growth during the buu saga is completely ignored
Every time I spent even a second watching/reading Super, I thought the same thing. He was very intelligent, he was just extremely naive about a lot of things, but when you think about it, Goku has the most well thought out ingenious battle tactics. Torpedo Kamehameha's against Frieza to distract and leave him open and Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha against Cell are two examples of this.
what makes him act like a child?! because it seems like yall forget about Z frfr 🤣🤣🤣
always liked how GT showed the characters aged up and matured. Vegeta is a chill dad, Gohan and Vide are parents, Goten is a typical teenager, Trunks is a distinguished gentleman lol.
That’s not maturity
@@Killua3245 you don't know what a maturity is
@@godzillagurus576 you don’t what is. Y’all be swearing everything is maturity
@@Killua3245 more like the opposite, kiddo
@@godzillagurus576 no sir
I absolutely love what GT did, although I’m aware the execution was far from perfect. When you strip it down to its core, it is basically a very melancholic story about a grandfather going on a last adventure with his granddaughter before having to say the inevitable goodbye; which is already heartwarming/tear jerker in and of itself, but that further rises to ABSURD levels if you think of the whole thing as basically Goku’s ultimate redemption for his “original sin”, the unintentional murder of Grandpa Gohan. It’s not a coincidence, I think, that the circumstances of Ssj4’s awakening are basically what Goku wish had happened the night Gohan died: that he had managed to control the Oozaru and save him. And this time he actually makes it, sparing Pan, his own grandchild, the fate that befell old Gohan. Put this together with the OG Dragon Ball scene where Goku and Gohan meet again at Baba’s tournament, and a waterfall of tears will be the inevitable result. This kind of love for the heart of Dragon Ball’s mythology is why I like GT, and why I’ll always see it as the canon ending to Goku’s journey.
As for Super, on the other hand… yeah, it’s… a series of cool fights. Very cool, sometimes. Way cooler than GT’s, for sure. But that’s it. No heart, no themes, no story. Some hints here and there maybe, but nothing more than that.
Oh wow I never even saw it like this before! This is incredible!!
i think i found the first comment in my life that is actually struck a serious chord with me. Youre right man... GT is so pretty.
I just rewatched GT after about 20 years and realized a level of depth present in the writing that surprised me a lot. The evil four star dragon turned good partially out of respect for Goku BUT, also the bond that Goku had with that ball his entire childhood. I thought they were going to ignore it altogether... and then they go and do something like that. Which is entirely consistent with the overarching story and their theme of turning some evil characters around. A bit of an underwhelming character as a whole, I'll admit, but fantastic idea.
Which is a general gripe I have with GT as a whole. They have a lot of great ideas with subpar execution. Especially the animation itself feels like they were very pressed for time.
Yeah I didn’t see that cooler fight part of anything I think the fights is where the gas is gone out of the tank gold freeza was super boring the whole time the lord Beerus fights got old quickly becuz I feel they failed to show us ssjb or god mode was any better then any of his other forms
I wouldn't even say DBS' fight were cool. Once you saw one, you saw all of them. It's not like og DB where each fight was distintctly unique.
Back when they respected the main characters
uhhhh yamcha? Tien? Krillin? Chaotzu....................... and let's not forget the orginal waifu...... LAUNCH!?!?!?1
@@dreamsnetwork9132 your right about everybody except for krillin and launche disappeared after saiyan saga
@@newage1361 I guess you can say Akira Toriyama and Toei are the one who hit their heads so bad when they were kids
@@Omega-jg4oq it wasnt directed by toei and nor was it from toriyama, it was directed by Osamu Kasai
@@newage1361 whatever who was behind this, you get my point
In my opinion GT don't deserve to die and be forgotten, great piece of the 90's in my opinion.
I agree. I love how the dragon balls turned on humanity
It wasn't? Xenoverse 2 has gt, and so does sdbh
@@thatonechara Xenoverse is a game and only added that for more transformations, characters and outfits. Sdbh is non canon
@@lewanbroski504 what about DBH, it's got a manga and a anime on top of a game.
Besides seeing as DBH is ongoing and xenoverse is canon to it, it can be argued xenoverse is canon just to a difrent continuity.
IDK why but the dragon ball fandom never seemed to understand that there could be more than one continuity. I thought we would at least learn now that super has to distinct continuities both separate but comfimed to be canon(the dbs anime and manga)
Oh well
@@lewanbroski504 in a way this would also technically make GT canon. Only difference is its canon to DBH instead
GT did a much better job at introducing things that tied back into the lore of DB then what Super ever tried to do
@@gamergav2847 facts
Literally the only thing the introduced was ssj4 and baby. There’s nothing else. Super expands on the god hierarchy that started in early db with the introduction of gods of destruction, angels, and zeno. They expand on supreme Kai lore as well with more backstory of the grand supreme Kai. The expand on the saiyain lore with ssg, the u6 saiyains, and broly. They expand on frieza’s effect on the universe with the granolah arc. Super for sure did this better. It’s not even close.
introducing things my ass! the one thing gt did successfully was COMPLETELY RUIN THE MEMORIES OF OG DB for me! the writers went 'oh no! goku is way too strong now wtf to do. i know why not turn him into a fucking child!' if youve watched og naruto and then shippuden and then they create a series where naruto turns into the og naruto ... thats whats called dumbassery and pathetic creation! same for db... even in dbz goku wasnt that all matured lemme remember the time where he got overconfident and m.vegeta knocked him out, when he instaead of training gohan further just surrendered and gave SENZU BEAN AND SO MANY MORE EGS! SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BULL SHIT.... and indtroducing!!!! the brought back super 17 you idiot which can easily be WORST SAGA IN ANIME
@@leultrainstinct406 ah yes super is amazing! Now you just have to have tingling feeling in your back to ssj!
Literally GT is so bad at storytelling🤣 they literally brought back nappa outta nowhere and then vegeta kills him immediately which makes no sense💀 and then for some odd reason they turn goku into a kid again🤦♂️ I honestly don’t know how anyone watches GT SHIT
I'm not a fan of either but I'd take GT over Super any day GT does have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Super Saiyan 4 SSJ4's design was genius becoming more animal like that Blue Hair form from Super is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation
It stays more true to Saiyan heritage rather than god thingy. Also, the main reason they did the god saiyan probably because due to laziness. You know, reskin, recolor, no need to redesign, ez job
yeah SSJ god is Goku with red hair red pupils and a firey aura (srry for Bad grammar english is not my first language)
Also GT's opening and endings' songs are far FAR superior to Super's. That's a hill I'll die on.
"but I'd take early Z over late Z any day early Z goes have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Kaioken's design was genius becoming more buffed the more you strained your body showing the ki trying to escape while barely being contained, like that Yellow Hair form from late Z is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation"
Do you see how retarded it sounds when I complain about pretty much the same thing?
I don’t know why people do not like part one of GT because it drags out but I mean... Have they ever heard of something called world building? Goku in Super is a kid in an adult body while GT Goku is an adult in a child’s body
Lol
I haven't watched gt I heard that it is trash compared to super,is it really true,but I hate dragon ball super it's only about fights there is no good villan or plot,so if gt is even worse then super then idk what to do.
@@layman_1822 Well, I really liked GT, but I've never watched Super, and I'm not exactly planning on it. I'm not sure if GT is better than DB or Z, but sure isn't far behind in my estimation. It don't think it gets quite as funny as Dragon Ball (I've only watched the beginning and the first part of muscle tower, and I found the ninja fight to be absolutely hilarious), nor does the action feel quite as cool as the Frieza arc, but it's a good blend of both, imo. As for the music, I do like the English intro, although I've never listened to the Japanese intro. I'm not sure if you'll like it, but I'd recommend you give it a shot. I liked the whole series, but my favourite part was that first arc. Also, I'm a huge of fan of Pan and Giru, and Adult Trunks is the best version of his character I've seen. I really like his outfit, and I feel like I'd been waiting to see him ever since the introduction of Future Trunks and the Tapien movie. Cool series all around.
@@jonathandoe1367 ok
Because the characters and their interactions are bland and boring. I could write some garbage and call it "world building", too, it doesn't mean it's actually good. I've read books where it's mostly 2 characters, do they "muh world building" to be good?
The thing i loved about gt is the uniqueness in the villains the villiains in gt had tactics on how to defeat their enemy rather than using raw power gt also did not overuse transformations and kept power level realtively stable while in super transformations were so overused that transformations like super saiyan 1 posed no meaning and there was no reason to use ssj1 when they had ssb and super really did not have anything like an adventure and it never really explore the depths of universe 7 while super expanded so much to the other universes it forgot to reveal lore about the main chracter's universe what a shame,Also the threats posed to the z warriors in super were not even a threat at all as goku and vegeta had got so strong that at this point they were unstoppable In the end,All i want to say is that super is good its not bad but gt is not trash either u see i was one of the fanboys who jumped on the bandwagon that gt is trash for no reason but after watching gt boy i feel like an idiot now For all those people who havent even watched Gt watch it till the end trust me it wont dissapoint i could even dare say its better than super but in the end they both are dragon ball i dont care whichever's the best as long as dragon ball wins i am happy
Thanks for opening your eyes and spitting out the cool aid. I know there's a sizable faction of GT haters who've never seen the series which pisses me off. I hope more people would follow your lead.
YES. This is why I love GT so much more.
no offense but please use punctuation
@@joeclaridy they need to watch the japan dub with subtitles. completely different from the eng dub version and better imo
@@SoniKast Lol I didn't even realize that until you mentioned it.
I agree 100%. GT was a way better sequel than Super. Also GT's japanese soundtrack imo blows Supers out of the water.
Oh, for sure. The GT Title music is SO good. Fabio Lima does a great Acoustic cover of the Dragon Ball GT Theme. th-cam.com/video/BRz3PyfFQQM/w-d-xo.html
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I disagree
@@onjion1528 Good for you
Super is not even a sequel. It's a midquel. Literal filler. That is why it has no purpose, no meaningful stakes or tension
I think GT is a underrated masterpiece.
not masterpiece, but definitely underrated
Aujuai Hughes I agree people hate on it for no reason I dared people to say why it’s bad and literally what they say is what’s so bad about super and it shows dbgt is way better
I don't know if I'd call it a masterpiece, but I did really love it.
How can you officially say that gt is better tuen super
All of it is opinion
I agree. The baby and omega shenron arc are very underrated.
I love GT more then super
Because it's the closest thing to dbz and I love limits unlike DBZ God and universe and then something beyond that
Its just joke
DBZ is not just about being superior and fighting without a story line
That’s the issue. Gt tried so hard to copy from db and z that it never had its own tone. That’s why with the ending, it only showed memories from db and z instead of gt itself. Which made everything that happened feel pointless. Super had elements from db and z, and it also established its own tone.
@@leultrainstinct406 the only tone I got from super was that if you ain't a god or someone that is god tier you ain't shit
@@leultrainstinct406 if it had showed memories from gt it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. Gt included segments of its own in piccolo’s death and that made it terrible. It using its own was not a good thing. You really are reaching. Super also had moments from z, what’s your point?
@@leultrainstinct406 Yeah Super established it's own tone and that's the reason why it's so bad. In Super Goku acts like a retarded child all the time, yeah that's definitely a great tone.
@@christopherford39 While GT was just "if you ain't goku, you aint shit" XD
GT's tone is also darker and more serious it was the right direction of the show. Super is way too light hearted and like I think you said earlier it's almost like a parody of DBZ.
True but to be fair Super was a time period where it was more peaceful too so they wanted to try something different to GT even though GT was also a time period of peace.
@@petepangtele182 I guess lol. It just would’ve made more sense to build a more serious tone to compete with modern anime AND to appease your now aging fan base. I think they might have also targeted a younger audience with super that’s the only thing that makes sense for some of the characters we see in the show.
The Goku black arc was the only serious arc, and it was still pretty laid back. The infamous kissing scene and Goku forgetting to bring sensu beans showcase the writers lack of effort to build tension.
@@Eric-gw1uo that and beerus and whis were still around defending the main timeline like that just kills all the tension immediately. wtf is black gonna do when he arrived at that timeline? beerus will just destroyed him and it turns out that taking over one timeline is just impossible anyway since zeno of that timeline will erase it no matter what if black/zamasu acts up. the entire killing all mortals plan was stupid to begin with. when you think about it, the tension really doesn't exist and the main cast really didn't even need to go back to the past.
@@OTG1776 I don’t get this feeling at all. GT’s tone doesn’t feel dark in the slightest. It’s too goofy and childish with its humor and such. Super is way darker than you give it credit for, like when Frieza tortured Gohan in Resurrection F, when Zamasu murdered Bulma right in front of Trunks, when Zamasu bragged about killing Goten and Chi-Chi, etc.
Lets be honest about golden Frieza. Frieza essentially turned super saiyan. It is nothing like his other transformations they are not mutations or something horrifying which is the whole point of his character. The gold form is like a power multiplier that has a gold form to compensate for the lack of hair
I mean, Freeza explicitly states he intentionally made this form have the same color as the super saiyan form
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 Crappy writing strikes again. I mean isn't the whole point of colour is to reflect the personality and aura. Like how vegeta was more darker and it is more bright when powered up
@@simonkrayt1970 It probably is crappy writing. We all learnt a long time ago that trying to find logic in dragon ball is impossible
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 not really when you use the shows own logic because you don't see krillin saying imma just train and go ssj
I honestly think Frieza should have a different transformation other than "Golden Frieza" cause before he had 3 that looked unique.
I don't like either but I at least respect GT for it's art direction, for most of it the world design reminded me of the namek saga because since it didn't took place on earth they had to go for more _surreal_ settings, the villans visual design was really well done (with Baby being the standout) and SJJ4 is IMO the best saiyan form ever designed because it's actually a major redesing instead of a hairdo.
Super's art direction on the other hand is terrible, none of the villans visual design are memorable, they are downright generic (Giran) or lazy (Black) hell the most memorable villan from super is Frieza who's not even an original character from that series. Not to mention all new saiyan forms which are supposed to be more imposing than SJJ4 are literal hair recolors of base and SJJ1 Goku/Vegeta.
Also while I don't enjoy GT as a whole, Baby arc and the ending were really good while none of Supers arc are good to begin with.
Here's why GT is better than Super.
*STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR*
100%
Here’s why Super is better than gt:
*ui theme intensifies*
@@leultrainstinct406 no one cares
@@leultrainstinct406 so super's only great quality is ultra instinct. Something that has been around since the original dragon ball on turned into a technique
@@christopherford39atleast vegeta does does something in super. Unlike vegeta who was a background character until omega shebron came.
Gohan does nothing in gt. I mean except getting controlled by baby. Goten does nothing, except getting controlled by baby. Trunks, still does nothing. Goku now is bunable to use instant transmission just because hes smaller?
Fans were obsessed with Z fighting that it blinded them from the beauty of adventure that GT presented, that’s the truth unfortunately nowadays many (not all) only wants fighting not story.
Gt had story a joke it was filled with potholes. And anyway dragonball is big because of the fights. Gt was rushed and lackluster as well
Nehaal Khalid
Then What about about Super? Feels like Nothing but a rehash of Dbz with too much plot holes, at least GT had a great ideas even if Excuted poorly, it still tried and it did deliver on some points like the baby arc and ssj4 and ssj4 Gogeta plus we saw all the characters actually grown up and we were given a true finale and saw how the story of the franchise end, the GT story is more original and makes more sense to be the continuation of Dragon ball Z
@@Kyle-fn9tz you are angry about goten and trunks. Its been months since the buu saga not years like gt.
@@Kyle-fn9tz I personally don't like ss4 I like the god forms better but I respect your opinion
@@Kyle-fn9tz I personally don't like ss4 I like the god forms better but I respect your opinion
Goku is so selfish and unlikable in Super. The humour and Beerus were keeping me going but I just finished the Beerus saga and I’m not interested in watching meaningless fights where the unlikable, unrelatable, irrelevant protagonist wins yet again by yelling to the point his hair changes a new colour.
The fucking worst is the 1 minute explanation of how Goku can still hurt Beerus after losing Super Saiyan God level because of muscle memory. Like you were barely holding your own with him in Super Saiyan God form now you’ve lost that and your doing better.
Translation: it makes no actual sense but it’s impractical to have the super Saiyan god ritual done every time and we can’t max out his power level here and just make an exception for our lazy writing because it’s Goku.
It’s an insult to fans with a brain, it’s an insult to Beerus, Ares or any other actual gods of war/destruction.
This guy said it best, Dragon Ball Super is a parody and a cash grab.
The worst of this is that Goku supposedly absorbed this God Ki into his base form. But apparently Frieza and so many others are able to catch up to that in less time. Oh let's not forget Granolah made a wish and caught up to 20 years of development which also beats Frieza's record of 4 months of training. That's pure bullshit at its finest and no Super fan has addressed that elephant in the room.
What you said is cool and all but super is still better 💯
@@lilzennywockhardt lay off the crack pipe
@@lilzennywockhardt I love the sarcasm.
The way I see it is that the base God ki was temporary and expended when Goku nullified Beerus' blast. And I disagree with Goku being selfish. Before you mention T.O.P Goku just asked for a friendly tournament between universes and not like when Beerus and Champa did one without permission and could have gotten erased. With regards to Goku sparing Frieza I will give you that one.
Dragonball gt rules over super anyday
I agree. :)
You have a death wish
Emotion Je Fuck up bitch
Ew
No
I like both, but GT is not only my fave Dragonball show but I think its a MUCH better sequel to Z compared to super.
Super is the superior sequel
@@leultrainstinct406 super sucks
super is trash so i 100% agree :D
@@leultrainstinct406 try to find a person with an ultra instinct profile picture NOT meat riding super. Hard challenge. Will be embarrassing when you guys yet older
I could of made a better one my self
GT had over 61 million viewers on TV,super barely get 2 on their best day. Only place gt is hated on is trolls on the internet.
you know that super literally broke toonami and gt did the opposite and super is gets 10x more viewers than gt
Syed but gt is still better
@@syed2187 super has a low viewership compare to GT which is comparable to Z
Syed no it doesn’t like he said
And the internet at that time wasn’t even really developed infact you were probably in your fathers ball sack at that time
GT also had more meaning into it
i wouldnt mind if they rebooted GT if its the same team that rebooted Broly.
So much potential.
Like the z-fighter line up in rebooted GT would be: Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub.
The rebooted version needs keep this concept:
-ssj4
-baby
-shadow dragons
-soundtrack
-The ending of gt
But please with the old (good) animation quality. DB Super looks brutally cheap!
Daniel Medjedovic if they rebooted gt it would be garbage like super or hero’s
@@StooRoxxAss I'm not gonna start about gt vs super debate so I'm just gonna say gt animation is no where dragon ball Z . Even super just ignoring the bad start and all the bad episodes it had at last two episodes that the animation was superior compared to Z and everything else we saw earlier
@@slejszer5100 I think he means the fact that 90% of the time the characters look plastic.
@@CloudStrife-rw8bj I dont think he meant that
Totally agreed. GT is by no means a perfect series but Super was, to my disappointment, far, far worse. I agree with anyone that GT = basically Goku Time (Pan got screwed bigly), but Super tried to weirdly force the secondary characters as a gesture to fans, and then thew it away with the Tournament of Power saga. And personally, the Tournament of Power saga was the most boring, cringy, and predictable arc of the entire series.
I found the fights more enjoyable in super but gt was good
Nope that comment made no sense th T.O.P was way better so you're wrong
Yeah the ToP was some hot garbage. Literally everyone knew how it’d turn out which isn’t something you can say of any other arc in the series except for maybe the pilaf arc, the characters abilities were straight up ignored, they had people acting totally out of character, gokus base gets literally 2,000,000x stronger in 40 minutes and they didn’t even have the decency to keep a consistent art style sometimes they’d literally switch art styles several times in a single episode
I think Toei made Super to show what would happen if GT used all the people who obviously couldn’t keep up with Goku and Vegeta
@@GOD_lovesyousomuch no
Actually in the GT perfect files, it stated that Gohan has kept up with his training over the last 15 years
Good point. Thanks!
Doesn't seem like it
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 He actually had that's how now he can use his ultimate form on ssj
he learned his lesson from buu saga that he should never be rusty. besides in GT pan's old enough to defend herself. so he got more time to train and work.
Doesn't seem like it???
Both Goku and Gohan fought base form General Rildo..... a being Goku stated was superior to Majin Buu.... Even if you lowball this to Fat Buu, for both Goku and Gohan to fight this being is their base form (and be even as Gohah/ be vastly superior as Goku) is HUGE. Their base forms in Z would have been utterly destroyed with ease.....
In GT Gohan did not become weaker. He became a geek but not weak.
not nerd?
I actually agree with this video. GT at least tried a new direction. It’s shortcomings were in part by the writers strike. DBS is just bad writing. My biggest beef with it aside just another power up excuse is the fact they put master roshi in the TOP instead of Yamcha. Fights were nice but they series felt devoid of any soul. Even the Dan-Dan opening song has more heart. Completely agree with this argument
Yea whats funny is that the mangaka who draws super (toriyama writes the story) was making his own fan sequel to DBZ and it was so good he got hired and canceled his own manga to make super which is legitimately way worse. There are atleast 3 dbz fan manga sequals that are better then super by a pretty big margin.
Oh I agree its like they forgot Yamcha
@@watchbloodsunvendetta1447 The fan Manga for he made wasn't even good and felt incredibly fanfic-y. Which is what Super is, if you think about it.
@@MoscoPortfolio what do you mean? GT doesn’t move in a new direction at all, it stays the same course and loops back to such familiar plot points like Android 17 and monsters from outer space(which we already saw in the form of the Saiyans, Frieza, and Buu). Super is the show that goes in a new direction by focusing on the Gods and the Multiverse. I agree with what you said about Yamcha’s disrespect though
@@MasterCombatantGT was an hommage, but they were the first to bring 17 back in a new way, explain his power up, evil dragons, consequences of abusing wishes, not to mention took bebi and ssj4. Uub was relatively well done, pan and trunks were sharing the spotlight and not the usual Goku/vegeta dynamics. DBS was just a different hair colour, bland villain in Jiren (who reminds me of tenshinhan in the 22 tournament). the ending of GT was emotional and very much felt like "tjis is the end". dbs from had huge potential with BoG but all of a sudden, freeza, 17, tournament, and just bigger dragonballs. felt very much the same. moro is interesting 0:05 , granolah was a total fanfic, its as if the studio didnt know what to do nut they wanted more money. i dont know maybe its just me
My heart still thinks that GT is cannon and that Super is spin-off...
GT is better Squel, in fact it's should have been cannon in the first place, Super feels like it's doesn't belong anywhere, it's just a series with DB name in it
@@Omega-jg4oq Couldn't have said it better
Literally the Super retcons almost make it seem like Goku shouldn't have existed because if the gods did their jobs, then a lot could have been prevented
Super is canon lol
This man needs more likes. My biggest gripe with Super is how the kids were not aged up correctly. The issue is they weren't aged up at all!
@@DarkLore1992 Super happens in the time skip, they literally try to cram in so much stuff that the little things like Goten and Trunks becoming teens are just skipped out on
Nah, only transformations and pretty colors are the new meta for dbs
I mean I literally can't think of this as a serious sequel to Dbz
0:18 they are not two different takes of the same time frame. Super is before the end of Z.
GT is the superior show plain and simple. In the Baby arc GT did more with Goten/Trunks than Super has in 5 shitty arcs which includes 2 pointless tournaments
The Baby arc is one of my favorite Dragonball arcs of all time behind the Frieza arc and the Demon King Piccolo arc.
Super lacked in the villains department. Not including the Frieza revival arc since it was originally a Z movie, the entirety of Super only had real one villain, Goku Black/Zamasu. Everybody else were just warriors fighting for their survival. And even then, Goku Black wasn’t even a new original villain. It was just basically evil Goku, which was already pretty much done before, albeit briefly and on a smaller scale, when Ginyu switched bodies. Don’t get me wrong. I love Super; the ToP was a lot of fun to watch, but it needed one more arc with a new and original true villain.
Bloody Persistent no
Majestic Tv Excellent argument.
There’s a new DBS villain called Moro in the manga
This dude only has 100 subscribers.... he deserves more for how quality his explanations are.
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Thanks man! To be fair I'm kind of a one hit wonder so far. lol I need to make more content. I've got lots of ideas for videos, but I've got grad school and work going right now. As soon as I graduate, I hope to make many more!
@@MasonTaylor22 cheers to you, my friend.
This moved me
yeah, it was like i was hearing my own consciousness about dragon ball, all the arguments where valid and i like them so i subbed
Bro if you brought up endings of the series then GT would have one I cried seeing that ending
Dang it! Missed opportunity! I should have talked about the endings.
I did not believe that it was over, I did not want to believe ,that I would never see the further adventures of my favorite heroes, I love GT because it has a similar atmosphere to the original, not like super, full of humor, strange humor and rubber characters, but the end of GT, it was a heartbreaker
BoBaFeTT271 GT animation didn’t look like a joke too lmao
No, why would he bring up the endings if Dragon Ball Super isn't even over? Yall GT fans are reaching now, GT is good, but Super is better. The only good arc of GT was the baby arc, and his powers and abilities were not even very origonal, Baby was essentially just a combinition of the worst aspects of Super Buu and Cell.
for many people, the beginning of the super ,was the end of it, I hope that it changes course, because this is an iceberg collision course
When you remember super isn't a sequel but seprequel
Midquel*
@@nialma4371 interquel
Idefkquel
You wish
@@samuelthegamer8478 it is a midquel
Dbs fans: I say GT sucks more!
Gt fans: in my calculation super sucks more!
Real Dragon Ball fans: Both GT and Super suck!
Actually, DBS fans don't argue about this. It's the childish nostalgic DBGT fanboys who always start this arguement, and then they get triggered when someone says DBS is better. There is a reason why DBS broke streaming service on multiple occasion my friends 😛
@@jantheking7028 I don't get this argument, both suck, they're both bad sequels to the original 2 Dragon Ball series. There's a lot of trash that gets a lot of attention, how does that make it good, though? I'm not defending GT, that's a big pile of garbage as much as Super is.
Real Dragon ball fans:Dragon ball evolution is 100 times sucks
@@iknoweverything4959 They aren't equal, Super is better. Super might not have the best powescaling, but it is still much more enjoyable than GT.
1 correction GT takes place after the end of Z whereas Super is set after the defeat of Majin Buu but before end of Z during that 10 year period
I entirely agree I find that GT is better than super although there are parts of super that I enjoy, GT has more heart to it I feel and even though it has its problems (some it shares with Super) it just has more heart and does have better story concepts. GTcan be summed up as a series about consequences whether it foolish wishes, revenge for past crimes, or abusing the dragon balls
Ssj4 is also an amazing transformation that fits with the lore of the Saiyans
They confirmed it was actually 5 in gt not 10 idk why tbh
I love DBS more than GT. GT is a better written show in terms of story, but Super is more memorable. I watched GT twice, and one of the times was last year and I remember nothing. I watched Dragon ball Super back in 2018 and I remember everything about the TOP, Black Goku saga, and u6 vs u7 saga.
@@jantheking7028 gt isnt a better story really. Its more like good concepts with poor execution.
Its proven by the fact that the fans can only bring the baby arc and maybe the shadow dragons arc, but that would be a stretch, as a defence for the story when in supers case there is the goku black arc, the u6 vs u7 arc and the top arc.
Gt is considered bad due to the insane focus on goku and pan and to poor execution of the stories in general, but it has some things that are way better than super. One of those things is ssj4. This is a far greater transformation than ssg, ssb or ui. It fits better with the lore and has weight behind it, unlike the others that just...uninteresting really. Not even ui seems interesting. It only makes goku faster and have a better reaction time...just another pointless transformation.
@@andrei3436 Baby saga was their best story from GT for sure,Super 17 and Shadow Dragons were okay,the black star ball saga was absolute garbage I refuse to watch it ever again.You said there were a few things in GT that were way better than Super,other than the Super Saiyan 4 transformation that you mentioned what else is there?
All the people that claim that GT is way better than Super is because of character development but the only character that mattered was Goku,they either made everyone else irrelevant or killed them off.Trunks did nothing special and Pan was just flat out annoying.
Good catch.
I agree with your other sentiments.
I have to say. Although Toriyama is writing super. He is way older and his idea's aren't as fresh. The man didn't even want to revisit dragon ball but was constantly pressured because there's a market for it. So what he did was write out the general story like a book and let the animators interpret it how they may which is why super feels like such a mess of idea's.
Toriyama, until Daima, really had very little involvement with what Super turned out to be. Same with GT.
@aubueruser7228 You're exactly right. The reason why is because he stated himself, "Being on a weekly schedule to write new chapters was Hell." I can only imagine. Must be the same reason Naruto's creator Kishimoto and possibly other creators have little involvement with their stories once they end and a spinoff is created.
this isnt an unpopular opinion, everyone knows GT is better, animation, story, character development, its just better than super.
I don't know about animation because both have JANK animation
@@BBK113 not as jank as the beginning of super lol, plus the voice acting is better in gt, characters just have more complex personality’s
This video aged so well.
Let's make this simple......
Monkey > Gods
Reject divinity
Return to monke
To me, GT's ending is the BEST ending of all Anime, it is the proper ending and a respectful farewell to our most beloved character Goku. Every time I watch the GT's ending I have tears in my eyes; I considered it is the TRUE ending of Dragon Ball.
I guess ending is the only good thing about gt
Dragon Ball GT is not the end, Dragon Ball AF comes after
@@santiagonkm900 its a fan fiction wth u talking about
@@slejszer5100 Yeah but GT isn't canon either
@@santiagonkm900 yes but af is a fan fiction and gt is a official series
I find it impressive how GT had almost no involvement from Akira and yet managed to be incredible, in Dragon Ball Super it really gives the impression that he was tired and only continued writing because he had to. (Which is still true)
Toriyama didnt have to, he chose to after the failure that was dragon ball evolution.
GT was the one done for money lmao
This video is amazing, expressses everything ive loved about gt for a while.
Glad to hear others agree! :)
I like GT, and it has a better Goku, as he’s smart and matured, while Goku from super is…….. kinda….. an Idoit.
Yeah, he's a big dumb dumb in Super.
I hate how Beerus feels so childish and he doesn’t feel intimidating at all just childish to appeal to a younger audience
GT is honestly my favorite continuation to Z. I'm not a big fan of what Toriyama and toyotaro did with super. I like super but gt is better
To me, OG bardock is still canon, and GT is the only sequel
More Riskyforever I like Broly movie
Tyron Wells which one, there are 4
To me gt never happened and will always suck
Nehaal Khalid Super is bad and your salty
@@allen62 gt is bad and your salty
GT had LARGE amounts of potential. Every arc concept was fantastic but the execution not so much. Most characters were unimportant.
Super did that too
@@SonGoku-777 At least we have Vegeta, Z fighters, Trunks, Beerus and Whiss Only Goku was important in GT.
@@joel7342 exactly
@@joel7342 Super also had better fights
Video aged like fine wine
The writing was on the wall way back then:
Now there's transformations of SSJ in every color and edgy fan forms have been made canon.
GT did way better than super by far, anyone tryna make any sense out of super needs to see a therapist
Therapy didn't help. Super still makes no sense. lol
Super is just milking the franchise
Gohan did NOT become weak in GT, in the perfect files it said he kept training. The reason he looks weak is because GT's villains are just that much more powerful.
It's kinda funny because I think the reason GT is more tonally consistent is because it's right off the heels of the DBZ run. Where as Super feels more like it's panging to nostalgia almost as if it's going "HEY HEY! REMEMBER.... DrAgOn BaLl!??" which is weird considering globally next to Pokemon I'd say Dragon ball is the most pervasive widespread bit of popularized anime that everyone knows about. Where GT tried to build on the Lore from preexisting content, Super tries creating callbacks to the past as content for no reason. Where GT can be disappointing when it misses a beat, Like for example most don't like GT Trunks, They liked the memory of super cool Future Trunks... But when Super gives you Future Trunks back... it's just hollow.
Whereas we may liked the Battle-hardened Post-apocalypse future Trunks, he existed for a reason to make it so one future would be better than the other. When you reintroduce him it undermines his sacrifice he made and the character Arc he had to go through to achieve it.... It also greatly undermines the Trunks the saved timeline can become. Someone whose more carefree and looking for adventure.
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
GT was not bad at all. Of course had some poor moments but so did Z and OG dragon ball. Super is just.. bad man.
Super and gt are both trash
I think this says more to how bad super is as opposed to how good gt is
I prefer GT too.
Super>> by a landslide. Gt was solid for what it was tho, but super is the superior sequel.
@@leultrainstinct406 opinion basher
@@leultrainstinct406 Super is a show about nothing.
Feel free to back up that assertion.
@@leultrainstinct406 i like a few episodes of super including the movie but sorry to make you mad , i personally like db gt better
Honestly, if I were to give my own opinion on why I like GT more than Super, I'd be repeating what others have said.
Instead, I'm gonna say this…..
How do we go from a story about adventure to a more action oriented story to a story that starts as an adventure before becoming more action to an official parody?
In a way, GT felt like a conclusion to a much greater story. A story that wouldn't have happened if Goku hadn't met Bulma. A story about adventure and making friends out of enemies. That is what OG Dragon Ball is about, adventure.
Z is a continuation of that initial story, but, focusing more on action as a sign of the characters growing. The ending to Z will never not put a smile on my face.
GT, as another commenter put it, is a story about a grandfather going on a final adventure with his granddaughter before inevitably having to say goodbye. GT's ending will always make me tear up no matter what. GT is the culmination of everything that happened since the beginning of OG Dragon Ball. Goku feels like a veteran after everything he's gone through.
Super just feels disappointing. It reduces the story to a joke, especially Goku. As much as I love Beerus and Whis, this just felt like a retcon. Super Saiyan God and Blue don't just feel as special as Super Saiyan 4. SSJ4 felt powerful and a way of bringing Goku and Vegeta back to their roots as Saiyans.
I agree with almost everything, but the comment on the Cell Saga. I personally think it was by far the best saga.
The threat felt like it was real with Cell. A powerful Villain who was practically Immortal with all the strengths of every powerful known fighter with very few weaknesses able to regenerate from almost nothing. A monster that skulked around sucking the life force from thousands of humans hunting them down like they were ants if not more considering how strong he was compared to 17, and Piccolo. Then when he powered up before absorbing 17, and destroying Piccolo as you could hear the screams of all his victims in his power trying to come out. Omg that shit gave me chills the first time I watched it. Easily the best power-up in all of DB IMO.
Imperfect Cell's best quote "I could absorb you Piccolo, but I have all that I need of your being in my cell structure already you are of no value to me anymore you are just refuse. Goodbye."
I really enjoy the Cell saga too. I don't recall saying anything bad about it. I just think it was drawn out too long.
The cell saga is when the transformations started to get stupid and confusing.
id say frieza was the climax of dragon ball cell was the last serious arc but it had too many bs writing like how cell said you have to destroy my head to kill me when goku literally did that
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 I'm sorry but when you mentioned Cell saying "you have to destroy my head" I imagined Thanos saying it. Geez I love marvel
GT felt like Dragon Ball Z. The character designs are waaaaay better.
The Animation and the art was so great and satisfied to watch unlike the garbage of Super
@@Omega-jg4oq Super Is Not Garbage
@@XJSPlays02 but we can both agree it's stupid
Gt felt like db and Z. It never felt like GT. And that’s the issue. It never er had its own tone. It survived purely off nostalgia. This is evident in the first arc which is just copy and paste of db adventures at a FAR worse quality. Super not only had elements from db and z, but it had its own tone as well. Also super had better character designs. The angels, the g.o.d.s. Goku black and zamasu. Moro. Merus. Hit. Broly. Etc.
@@leultrainstinct406 Super doesn't have elements from DB and Dbz, which planet are you to say that? Super is the reason why DB shouldn't have a future sequel, the animation is so garbage and it's look like a sharp and shining and crappy with no blood to make it kid friendly, Goku black and hit might be cool, but the rest is bad and boring, don't even try to make some excuses.. It's the truth
Super is basically the equivalent of flanderizing an entire cast and using ea tactics of trying to advertise a new product with a different paint job.
It’s not an unpopular opinion, it’s the truth, GT gave us SSJ4, a beautiful transformation while DBS had SSGSS, a SSJ with blue hair and blue eyes
GT may not be canon however canon doesnt matter much when it comes to QUALITY and people should not over glorify akira as a writter cause he alone was not the sole reason of DBZ success much like butch hartman is not the only person responsible for the fairly odd parents.
Great point!
I never heard from Toriyama it’s not canon.
Gt is Canon
GT > Super. GT is more dragon ball than Super :(
There's no real feeling of danger in Super. It's really lazy writing with Super. DBGT you felt like Omega Shenron could obliterate the universe.
i’m telling you. if gt had those fancy pants forms and flashy beams super has, with literally no change of story changes, the dbs kids who never read or tries to understand what story means will go head over heels and call it peak fiction.
Gt's story is literally goku geta turned into a kid by thw black star dragon balls which are spread across the universes. Why on earth does dende have them? Do you even have a ship?
How do people from the other universes know about the black star dragon balls being used??
Nevermind that. Goku goe son ship to a planet or universe whatever. And coincidentally a dragon radar is right where they land.
I honestly forgot most of this so ill skip to where theyve collected 2 black star dragon balls. Baby ransomely comes and knows exactly where earth ia. Cobtrols everyone there. Finally we get to see characters fight. Oh wait, they ONLY use ki blasts and ounches. Thats veey boring. Atleast goku uses kamehamehas and stuff.
Goku transforms into a great ape because he sees the earth. What? He sees a picture of his family and goes ssj4. Baby vegeta somehow turns into a golden great ape. Without having a tail? Also hes in full control why isnt he going ssj4?
After that horrendous arc, its super 17. How do you make androids in hell? Not muxh to say about this villain since hes veyr boring and has an awful design. Goku kills him using a standard punch nothing else needed.
Then earth is destroyed because of the black star dragon balls not being found in time. They get earth back. Oh wait not they. He.he gwts earth back and uses earths dragon balls to revive everyone or smth?
Now for the shadow dragons arc. Thunder shenron bw dying to rrain. Mole shenron be running from goku and pan for the whole episode. Hot ahenron teams up with thw guy who killed his brother..
Vegeta gets ssj4 instantly using a machine
Goku and vegeta throw ki blasts and punches at omega shenron. Vegeta instantly comes to the conclusion that a fusion muat be done. You do the fusion but then dont even do the job? Nice character development vegeta! I thought you changed!
Fusion ends. They try fusing again but too weak. Goku uses spirit bomb. Omega shenron whos stronger than buu cannot deflect or dodge!!! He didnt even use thunder drgaons abiloty to absorb any dmg.
And the gt ending. This ones good. I cant lie. Did get me tearing up.
In conclusion gt is trash.
Should change the title, “popular opinion DBGT is better than DBS.” The sudden uprise of haters on super is absurd.
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Love how chilled out you are , LOVE these kinda videos!
And honestly I'm quite tired of all those Dragontubers basically shouting at me lol
Thanks! Yeah, I can't stand the over-the-top, high-energy youtube vibe.
Gt felt like a true sequel with much better animation and new forms super can't compare( only good things are Berus and Black).
I’ve loved GT since I was a child, the first dozen or so episodes are pretty forgettable but from baby saga onwards it’s brilliant, shadow dragon saga especially
YES!
@@MasonTaylor22 the ending is brilliant too. It’s an actual ending which makes sense. When Goku leaves and only Vegeta understands its great.
Nah. Baby saga was good. Super 17 was absolutely horrible. Shadow dragon had a great concept but very poor execution. Then the ending was nice but solely because of db and z. Not because of any events in gt itself
@@leultrainstinct406 I meant it’s good including baby saga (from rildo onwards)
Perfect video, 100% agreed. GT aged like fine wine
This has now become a very popular opinion
GT felt like a continuation of the series and Z's characters. Super feels more like fanfiction with Toriyama's notes on it.
Exactly GT is literally a nostalgic love letter to original DB with a message that everything eventually comes to an end, including all the adventures Goku had alongside his friends. It’s like the series acknowledges the audience has grown up and is saying to them “farewell, thank you so much for being with me since being a child and growing up with me and for all the adventures we had.” It’s like DB itself is speaking to you, hugging you, and saying goodbye to you. The ending leads up to this and it was heartbreaking. But it was also beautiful because Goku becomes like an omnipresent being who will always be there to guide all the next generations and watch the torch get passed on. I just don’t like how he straight up abandoned chi chi lol. I like to think they’re in heaven somewhere with Bardock Gine Gohan Goten and everyone else. It’s like a message saying “we will eventually all pass , but the idea of the adventure will live on forever”. This is BEAUTIFUL and FILLED with meaning and love. Overall the end of GT was like “all these legendary adventures and people are gone, but not forgotten , because Goku will always be there and watch over the next generations to come”. That was amazing and so nostalgic.
Super is like …. Fight fight, fight , super extra form , fight fight fight fight, gods, destroy the universe, fight , Goku , vegeta, bad animation, fight fight. No emotion, no connection, no meaning , no nostalgia and love for the original series whatsoever
Ecept GT doesnt develop any character at all lmao
@@samirsaidi2223 Whole lotta nothing in that comment, nostafagging as hell
@@jesser5138 I’m not surprised, typical super meat rider
@@jesser5138 enjoy ur next cash grabbing 14836485963638 forms that get replaced every 3 seconds and have no meaning whatsoever
If only the current dragon ball had better writers...
i think they should just continue the series with goku jr. so we have no old characters really to reestablish so we can just learn about new ones or you know redo original dragonball...
Fortunately, the post-anime arcs in the manga right now are pretty solid.
If only gt wasn’t a disgrace and the writers knew how to execute ideas, and give gt its own tone instead of milking db and z nostalgia lol. I’m just glad z got the canon sequel it deserved.
@@leultrainstinct406 🤡
You ain't even started talkin yet and I liked and subscribed lmao
Hell yeah! Thanks! :)
@@MasonTaylor22 I did the same lol
Super will end one day and it will be forgotten. All the grandeur surrounding it will end. It will die, simply cease to exist.. Infact, it's already dying. GT, like Z, is a monument. It's a gem, a jewel, a treasure. It's a classic and that's why It will stand tall for millennia. DBS on the other hand is insignificant, and it's end will be the same.
Super is definitely dying a lot dude
At least gt was original in power ups and villains super just recycles and recolors every old power up and villains then slaps a half assed name on em...half assed regurgitated power ups and half assed names for em
GT fiercely dominates super, enough said.
Thank you! I thought i was the only one. At least gt actually got character development down. Super ruins all of the characters and the stories are so pointless. The thing that ruined gt was the very slow and boring start but when they got to the baby arc then it finally got good
The beginning of Dragonball was something for the of Dragonball fans
The filler in that was more enjoyable than Super filler tho in my opinion
@@dragonballspaghetti154 dbs is full of filler
@@saiyangod-wq9ux Way too much.
@@dragonballspaghetti154 the manga is the same way to Akira toriyama didn't 100% do the manga toyotarou was doing tons of stuff to
While I'm not a fan of either: Super or GT but of the 2 I think GT did a better job. GT: had more soul and effort, kept Goku's character, the fights had tension, realized Goku needed to be weakened, and was more mature noticing actions need to have consequences. Super has little lore and power levels/scaling made almost no sense with very little story. One reason why Super often is preferred might be that GT came out after DBZ and with fan fatigue at a high after the Buu Arc while Super brought the franchise back after a long hiatus
GT always had a special place in my heart. It brought back the adventure aspect of the original Dragon Ball while keeping the spirit of DBZ. I remember crying at the end of GT when Goku left with Shenron, very bitter sweet (“:
I enjoyed Dragon Ball GT more than anything else. The adventure, the soundtrack. I was completely mind blown as a kid and to this day there is not a single lore video about GT that I don't watch.
I'm from Brazil, and even here where dbz and dbgt are 2 classiscs of many people childhoods, dbgt is really underrated here, but the ones who like it will gladly show you why they love the gt lore more than dbs
I agree
GT is 9999x better than the bad animation no plot unoriginal forms too many forms that mean nothing and are just so that characters can power up quickly with almost no build up lookin ass DBS
Yes...yes it is. The animation in super makes it unwatchable for me
GT great premise, great execution, great soundtrack, bad fans. GT was the true end of the series in many fans' hearts.
Finally
Also important: GT knew where and how to end, super just keeps milking and milking Goku until he's dry
I’ll be honest. I loved super 17. Baby is my favorite. But I do think 17 was a little underrated despite the way it came to be being awesome, but also kinda dumb. Also the ending of that fight made sense and people misinterpreted what was going on during ssj4 vs super 17. Mostly due to the bad writing during that fight. If you don’t know what I mean. Goku was trying to overload 17 with ki since he was absorbing it with a x10 kamehameha, he also showed signs that taking too much ki could be fatal. Goku tested this by shooting weak ki blasts. When he did super 17 body bulked harshly from absorbing. And prior in the fight super 17 was just too fast for goku to tag with an actual hit, and he couldn’t be blindsided either. Goku tried to use instant transmission to do so but 17s 6th sense of being able to sense the vibrations of the molecules goku is about to appear from allowed him to counter goku’s attacks nonstop. Super 17 was overconfident and goku took advantage of it when he tried a x10 Kamehameha. He had no other option since the fight was not in his favor to begin with, and it would be only a matter of time before he lost. So taking advantage of 17 overconfidence he gave super 17 even more energy with a x10 and almost caused him to explode from too much ki at once. Even (forgot his name) was worried 17 wouldn’t be able to absorb that much. After that failed the match was decided. And 18 saved the day, infinitely shooting ki blasts. And then, goku finally found super 17 one weakness, once he stops absorbing hi can’t stop, because it requires all the ki protecting his body in order to form the absorption barrier. And prior in the fight it was shown that once it’s up he never moves from his spot because he is unable to. His stance is the only thing keeping him from dying from a weak ki blast. Goku realizes this and with the last of his energy punches through 17.
Ssg shouldve just been the last transformation t.o.p should've been a martial arts tournemt going back to the world tournements and banned a ki attack and rely on there true inner power instead of ki and transformstions
Ki and transformations aren’t bad at all. As long as it’s used creatively. Which it was.
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@@leultrainstinct406*not.
Gt/Movie Timeline Gohan, actually never stopped training.
One thing I appreciate about Gt was that Gohan was done justice. Admittedly, it sucks that he wasn't around too much, but from what we did see he is easily better handled than in super; He is portrayed not only to be a scholar but a powerful fighter who never stropped training post Buu by comparison to Super Gohan who stopped training, was weak enough that even Goku was doubtful of including him the U7 vs U6 Tournament, couldn't even transform into his mystic form until before the T.O.P only for that to somehow result in him being able to put up a fight against Goku who at this point should be league's above him and then even recently in Super Hero he still doesn't taking training seriously and got an undeserved power up in Beast with no training or work towards the form.
This is an absolute fact,
I like gt more than super for many things, but the biggest thing for me is simpley becease there is tension in gt.
In super you have gods that can simply defeat or assist the hero's to defeat the villain.
Look at how zamasu got defeated, look at how goku was able to defeat frieza after he blows up the planet in revival of f. All where doings of the gods that made them win in the end. There was 0 tension in those moments becease of those gods helping out.
And the tournament of power also din't have tension. Simply because we all knew that they would wish back everyone who got erased by zeno, and the fact that super in the timeline is in between kid buu's death and the tournament uub was introduced. Meaning they couldn't let goku's Universe get erased simply becease that wouldn't have made sense for the end of z, that comes after super.
Also i appsolutely HATE the potara fusion retcon.
I will never forgive super for how the nerfed vegito.
Now they made it look like that vegito had luck to get absorbed in time by super buu in z. And I hate that.
I agree completely that GT is better than Super. I also agree that aside from Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons, GT was a far cry from how good Z was. Yes the power levels are ridiculous in Super, and we even had Goku and Beerus almost punching apart the fabric of reality. But the feats are extremely inconsistent. Sometimes their fights barely effect the environment, despite having god ki or we have Krillin able to hold off Super saiyan blue. The animation also feels so much less gritty than the other dragon ball shows. The punches seem like they have no weight, the sound effects are different. They only usually get some dirt on their face and clothes, without there being much wounds like in z. The animation looks more childish also. Goku's personality is also way worse than other dragon ball shows. He was way more mature in Z and knew when to be serious. All in all, Super was barely enjoyable for me to watch. Also the fact that they still haven't surpassed Beerus after 6 or 7 years of being a show. I enjoyed some animations in the touranment of power arc. And also the Broly movie's animation. But I also dislike that they brought Broly back, it didn't seem necessary at all. I also dislike how they keep pumping out forms that barely can do anything and made og super saiyan useless. The forms also are just re colorings of their hair. Just so many dumb things about super. DBZ wasn't perfect, but it was so cool a show that it was forgivable. Super isn't even that enjoyable to watch. I kinda wish they just continued where dragon ball gt left for the story. Maybe they can make a super dragon ball gt after super is over.
Most ppl forced them selves to watch/like super..
That's not true look at TH-cam and you will see more people watched super than the shit show
Ayomide KUYE stfu
@No Ah most people prefer super
Thats why the video is named unpopular opinion
I had to force myself to watch GT. I was bored within the first 20 episodes, then it got interesting during the baby arc, and then it was boring for the rest of the series. THe show was bad, but yall are probably the same people who have defended it since 1999 or something, so I'm not gonna argue with your nostalgia.
^ GT Hater ^. Like seriously, people defend the show and the only thing this guy says is “Nostalgia”.
i just finished gt, my first dragon ball series. i picked it first because i know the basics of their relationships. i felt insane going online and seeing everyone hate this show. it felt like the biggest love letter ever
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯. I agree, but it is only marginally better than super, and the main cause of this is that gt is much more consistent in its lore than super is by a wide margin.
Skip super, it completely destroys upon everything dB, dbz built up. They made ssj3 a complete joke. The power creep is ridiculous and it is all fan service. Vegeta is now a maid who sucks on a pacifier. Goku is even dumber than ever. Oh and Gohan is not the future.
As much as people complained about GT. It had the more satisfying ending and coolest form of all. Super just changes the hair color and calls it a day. GT is the rightful conclusion to the franchise. No tingle feeling or easily learning ssj2 in a few minutes.
You like gt because everyone is useless expect goku? Nice joke dude
Yeah i agree super is really just a power contest it takes the impact away from transformations as well
Gt 64 episodes 2 good arc and lots of respect for the lore. Super 131 episodes 1 good arc ( zamasu ) no respect for the lore.
GT is better than super. Just needed to let that be known and add on.
Gohan should've called out goku for his stupidity. His selfishness engendered his wife and daughter.
Goku used to be a more unique character. He was inspired by son wukong and a little bit of superman. But now, they revised his childhood ripping off the superman comics EVEN MORE. Most of his new abilities and forms are ripped from superman.
If anyone is old enough to remember the old DBAF fanfic and images online in the 00's, you'll see that Super seems to have borrowed quite a bit from those half-baked ideas as fan service.
GT didn't do this. Yes it took risks that didn't pay off, but it also had a lot of interesting ideas that you won't see in Super. Like having a negative aspect to overusing the DBs, or returning to the terror that was the Saiyans with Baby and SSJ4. GT was just overall a more entertaining series than Super and felt final when it ended.
Call me crazy, but GT was awesome (with flaws), but Super is silly and full of flaws, but LOOKS awesome. I can't get into Super. It just doesn't feel like Dragon Ball. It feels like they just wanted to make this insane and bombastic show with characters from the original series. Everything has gotten ridiculous, God's and Angel's and all this nonsense. This was never even mentioned in the original Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z series'. I find Super to be super dumb, but some of the stuff is cool looking.