Install ENB | How To Mod Skyrim | Ultimate Guide 2024 (Pt.7)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2024
- Episode 7 | ENB - How To Install & How To Use
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Where to find the ENB files, presets, How To Install them & How To Use
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THE COMPLETE GUIDE Series
A Step By Step Guide To Modding Skyrim on PC in 2024. Using the same example throughout the series, with no assumptions on what you may or may not know.
Each mod has been chosen and installed at a certain point, so you will already have any 'REQUIRED MODS' installed when you reach that stage.
The series will include techniques that will help you better understand how to mod on your own, so you are aware of what is required when you decide to take your own path.
PLAYLIST: • SKYRIM Modding | The C...
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Links:
ENBDev HERE: enbdev.com/download.html
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The Process of Each Video:
1. Script Writing
2. Stress Testing In Game for Compatibility & Performance
3. B-Roll Game play Shots of the Mods
3. Removing Selected Mods
4. Filming of the Installation of the Mods
5. Recording The Voice Over
6. Editing - Including: Compiling Footage & Trimming, Titles & Text, Visual Aids, SFX & Music, Mastering & Final Render
7. Manually Transcribing - Auto Generated are not great & many follow without sound &/or are hard of hearing.
8. Thumbnail - Design & Edit
9. Sourcing Links for all mods for Convenience
10. Release
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First video using Davinci Resolve! Hopefully it's passable!
It'll be a learning game for sure. But I'm always up for a challenge!
yea but you have no enb links to follow though.
Hey, Davinci is Nice editing software, I use it professionally in my work
Honestly I'm quite happy with it so far!
Waiting for a single video is like dying every moment till then. Best content. Die hard fan of this series.
I really appreciate that thank you so much. Means a lot to me :-) glad you’re enjoying!
Aye! This man came in clutch, nobody made such an understandable tutorial for modding skyrim on all of youtube!
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I'm honoured. thank you for your incredibly kind words. i'm eternally grateful to you
ADHDecnt, I just stopped following your Modding Skyrim in 2024 guide, on part 7 to take the time to like each part and to say to you, your guide is hands down the best I have ever seen on TH-cam. Amazing job on putting the tutorials together! Thank you so much for the time and effort! You have more than earned a subscriber, I will also be sending some coins your way. I wish I could shake your hand and buy you a cold one or two.
I’m truly honoured. Thank you so much for your incredibly motivating words and support. It means the world to me and I really appreciate you thank you! Reading this has made my day. It means a lot
i fkin love you man, you have no idea how much this detailed series means to us
I really appreciate your kind words thank you so much it means the world to me :) I'm so glad it helps!
I didn't think id need this mini series on modding, but oh my, my load order has never looked so organized, my thanks to you my friend. You're a legend at the very least!.
Appreciate the kind words thank you! Means a lot! :-)
I just binged all of your modding series, I managed to install all the mods and play the game again after more than 7 years. Thank you so much for being so accurate and detailed about everything. You're doing an amazing job, you just earned my subscription and likes. If you're looking for help with anything related to Video Editing, Photoshop or even some sort of Voice-Overs; just let me know. I'll be glad to give you a hand if you'll ever need me.
I’m honoured, thank you so much for your incredibly kind words and support it means the world to me. If you’d like, drop me an email through my page contact and we can keep in touch :-)
Thank you so much!!! It’s my first time doing Skyrim modding myself, usually my brother would do it lol but he moved away, your videos have made it so much more organized and easy to understand ❤
I’m so glad I’ve been able help! You’ve got this! Appreciate your kind words!
Hell yeah!!! I've been looking forward to the next video in this series. I'm glad you're doing better.
hope it delivers! xD thank you i really appreciate that, I am starting to recover at last which is a wonderful feeling! thank you again for the support :)
This list of videos is EXTREMLY underrated and underapreciated. Big Luck to author, and lots of sweet rolls! Can't wait for a new video!
I really appreciate your incredibly kind words thank you :-) means a lot!!
@@ADHDecent After time of trying I'll type it here. I'm having a problem with voice audio - I can see the subtitles but no audio. In Data folder of Game Directory there is a file called "Skyrim - Voices_en0.bsa". In INI File of my profile in MO2 there is a string "sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa". I corrected the "sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa" to "sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices_en0.bsa" and still don't have any effect. Tryed a lot of guides and no changes. Can you know anything about it?
Bruh, such perfect timing with these magnificent tutorials.
Been scratching my head and inadvertently ripping out my hair dealing with crashes and random glitchy bullshiet with limited knowledge in modding.
You're an absolute unit of a champion, looking forward to the next episodes!
Means a lot to me thank you :-) looking forward to sharing more!
Sweeeet, would love to see how to do the NAT.ENB III from this! Thanks for another great video!
I really appreciate it bro thank you! :-) means a lot! I’ll definitely be looking at going into more depth on environmental overhauls. Still working out what angle to go for :-)
My G. You are one of the greats. I have been away from modding skyrim for a long time and your videos are kind of a refresher course for me. keep up the goodwork!
I really appreciate your kind words thank you so much. Means a lot! I’ll be sure to! :-)
can't wait for your essential mods now! and my mods never look so organized after I saw your videos. so thank you so much for that!
You’re very welcome! Glad I can help! Looking forward to sharing the rest :-)
THANK THE NINE FOR THIS HEAVENLY VIDEO. i have watched tonnes of enb settups and this is the only one that has worked for me. you are the best!
Amazing news! I appreciate your support thank you it means alot
Man, I love your series and got me into modding Skyrim again. Also, I love how you take everything step by step and the voice is awesome for teaching as well! cheers mate! I should've commented months ago when I subscribed. LOL
Thank you so much I really appreciate you! Means a lot to have your support and kind words I’m very grateful :-) really happy to hear I’ve been able to help you on your journey :-)
(This series is the new Jarl of modding tutorials, thank Talos!) Hey ADHDecent you're the man!
You are far too kind to me! Always an honour. Thank you :-)
Thank you so much :( The BEST content ever. Im glad i came onto your channel. You are awesome. Thank you. Saved me from massive headaches and frustration. Please keep releasing. Its like im watching a drama; i cant wait for the next episode. THANK YOU.
Im not touching any more mods until youre done with this series
I am truly honoured Martin, thank you so much for your incredibly kind words. I appreciate you! Looking forward to sharing more!
Haven't played Skyrim in years - this series is great! Looking forward to the next one!
Really appreciate it thank you! Glad you’re enjoying it!
Perfect video! It's good to know you're improving.
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A big hug from Brazil.
Health.
Thank you Luiz! I really appreciate you :-)
Great video as always! No big change in the editting, just another great tutorial
I really appreciate that thank you :-) means a lot!
First time everything is working to my modded skyrim! Thank you so much for it!!
You’re very welcome! Glad I can help!
Yessss thank you so much man!!! Ive been having a hard time installing enb and your tutorial is the first one that is so easy to follow. Eagerly waiting for new videos. I am so pumped for the combat overhaul mods! Hopefully ones that turn the combat into an elden ring type of combat hehehehe.
Thank you for your kind words! :-) glad I can help! Looking forward to sharing more
Great series, thank you. Video looked great. Trying to learn Resolve too.
Resolve I think will be a change I’ll look back on and think it was the best editing decision I’ve made. 8 years is a lot time spent on tricks and experience that isn’t really transferable though. So it’s hard at the moment aha
I've recently bought SE after years of being satisfied with Oldrim and not seeing the attraction of any of the DLCs to warrant the purchase. I finally caved in as I wanted to try some of newer mods, which add some story to the shallow world of TESV.
I want to say a massive thank you, as being a complete stranger to SE, I could be handheld through the dangerous waters of modding an old game with all the misinformation and outdated / obsolete guidance that is around.
Anyway, I safely got this far and learned a lot. I even substituted Pandora for Nemesis and got it to work, which I doubt I would have managed alone.
I have paused here as I'm dubious how my game will run with ENB, but I imagine the Physics mods will be the real test at some point.
Awesome work so far.
Thank you so much for your motivating words. I really appreciate your support! ENB does have a bit of an impact performance wise. I personally don’t use one but many enjoy what it offers. The series covers the removal of ENB too if you wanted to try it out and see for yourself :-) much more to come!
I've said it in a previous video, but I'll say it again as it bears repeating - these videos are great. Finally, a good guide for modding Skyrim.
Really means the world to me thank you. I appreciate your kind words! :-)
Straight to the point everyone else just makes it difficult!! Been waiting for this😼
Glad you’re enjoying! Appreciate your kind words :-)
Loving these guides. It may be a few years before we get to play with the mods, but It's easy to follow.
Still quicker than ES6… 😉
@@ADHDecent Idk what that is, but I've only had Skyrim for 2 weeks so I believe you. If my little experience with Skyrim modding is anything to go by at least.
I already have a thousand yard stare having to reinstall MO2 and Skyrim so many times because I keep breaking shit.
Hello man, thanks for the amazing tutorials everything worked perfectly fine
Amazing news! :-) more to come! Happy modding
always the best, I can't wait to continue with this
I really appreciate your kind words thank you!
Thanks for the amazing tutorial, waiting for the next vid!
You’re welcome! Appreciate the kind words! Next one coming soon :-)
Haven't played skyrim in a decade. Followed this dude's tutorials in one night and got here. Looks sweet already and not playing another second until I get this setup just right. Can't wait to dive into skyrim 2024, cheers for the guides and looking forward to the next one.
Really appreciate your kind words and support. Thank you it means a lot. Looking forward to sharing more :-)
youre an innovator in the modding community, you explain it simple and straight to the point.
I’m very grateful for your incredibly kind words thank you :-) means a lot
Brother just helped me trough in 1 hour what I couldn't do in 10 hours. Thank you a lot! These are the best, most understanding and perfectly explained tutorials!
When will Pt. 8 arrive? I don't want to add more mods incase I fck it up doing it by myself.... :D
Amazing news! Thank you so much for your kind words and support. Really means the world to me! Episodes are released weekly at the moment until I can afford to put more time aside for them :-)
Those are the best video i hope you add a lot more mods all the section you made me crate i really hope you fill them all
Working on it! ;-)
Would love to see a tutorial on how to get dodge mods working, the whole animation mod thing is a bit convoluted for a simpleton like myself.
Love your stuff, subscribed!
May the 9 divines, and daedra be with you.
I really appreciate your kind words and support :-) thank you!
Would love to see more of how to get animation overhauls as well!
I demand more videos in a week 😅
XD hopefully that day will come… as soon as I can afford to, I’ll be on it! :-)
"This is what you've been waiting for. Take your time; listen carefully. You've got this."
Oh snap, he about to install OSTI --
"ENB."
...uh, Ostensibly one of the most important graphical improvements, yeah.
Seriously, this is a great series, taking your time and explaining the why, instead of just the how, has made watching these worth it. So thank you.
😂👌🏼 brilliant! Sadly I don’t think YT would approve of an OS guide.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support I’m forever grateful to you. I’m really happy to hear these help :-)
Ah, ENB's. Barely could figure these out back during my Oldrim modding days. Good to see it's not nearly as convoluted as I thought it was. Another item to add to my To Do list.
They're not as difficult as you may think once you get going, they do take a hit on performance though (FPS) which can be a pain. Happy modding!
Can't wait for the next video
Looking forward to sharing!
You're the man, bro.
I haven't played skyrim in years, tried to mod it again and nothing worked, so I started following this guide and everything is going smoothly.
Amazing news! Glad I’m able to help! :-)
Nice job!! Everything work perfect till now. I'm trying to add combat mod alone but still getting error, look so complicated without your guide XD
Glad you’re enjoying them so far! More to come. Combat included ;-)
THANK YOU!!!
You’re welcome! :-)
Damn. finally 👏 and This is [[[[[ THE BEST GUIDE FOR MODDING SKYRIM ]]]]] since im started modding in 2022 and watch all others confusing GUIDE🤣 I cant wait what next episode. im so excited for modding now 😇
Thank you! Really appreciate your kind words :-) means a lot. Looking forward to sharing many more!
Great video! Quick question, are you going to show how to install the mod to re enable achievements?
Yay you reused Hymn to the Gods, I thought I would be saying farewell to that in the 3rd Part
Not at all! I made sure to include it ;-)
You are a saint. Try to get back into skyrim mods with my new pc after 5+ years without touching the game/mods.❤❤❤❤
So glad I could help! Appreciate your kind words!
Great videos! I've always been too daunted to get into modding before, but I've followed this series for my first ever modding success! I wanted to throw it out there because I found this question unanswered on reddit: after setting-up the ENB as in this video I received the error "ENBSEries compiling shaders, please wait \\ Delete enbcache folder if preset's files are modified or on d3d11.dll update". It looked like the game would not open, but I happened to leave it on this screen while I was looking for solutions and after about 5 minutes it started working. So if you have this error, do as said, and be *very* patient.
Appreciate your kind words thank you! :-)
you the best
Appreciate it!
Thanks for this vid. I learned a lot from it. Why did you put the two OAR generated ini files from Overwrite into nemesis output?
OAR has its own plugins folder - and these 2 files are created after running the game following OAR installation. So, shouldn't they be put in OAR/SKSE/Plugins folder instead?
Oh come on i'm already at the end... :( please the next video ^^ !!! Thanks it's really good quality tutorial. I really really want this works for me. I have two things to say : use that damn SKSE and nemesis shortcuts you created^^ and you can press "shift" to move several mod at once.
A little over an hour away :-) glad you’re enjoying it! There’s a few things I do which may seem counter-intuitive but it’s to help everyone become used to using the different features and functions. It’ll get more fluid as it progresses :-)
@ent Thanks ! Can't wait for the next one. I mean like really, it's good, very good. It's like so clear and easy to follow.
yo quick question, when I come to the point at 3:46 where I click overwrite. There are more items in my overwrite such as folders named meshes, Nemesis_Engine, Scripts and below those is the SKSE>Plugins>etc. Do I move them all to nemesis output or just the SKSE and sub items?
damn this enb preset is so dark at night i cant even see
You deserve Like & Subscribe
Thank you so much I really appreciate you! :-)
I actually had a few items show up in the overwrite section: meshes, nemesis engine, scripts and then the SKSE that you had in your video. Any suggestions? Overwrite is still red for me after following what you've done so far
Hey, I a Question Do you recommend me Downgrading my Skyrim to 1.5.97 Version or should I stay with the Current up to date version of the Game.
This is an amazing series, thank you.
I added ENB and suddenly there's this strange graphics hitch. Whenever I move or use the mouse, at the end of the movement there's a slight correction the other way. It looks like I'm staggering. It immediately goes away when I turn off ENB. I play in first person, so didn't download the mods for 3rd person animation. Do you have any suggestions?
Do we not have to make an .ini file updates or something, to our grass and anti-aliasing or allocated some odd math for our memory/graphics card? I get conflicting things from the internet so I am having ENB anxiety at this point. Haha.
Thank you so much for these tutorials and all the hard work!!!! Everything is going perfectly, but I have a question. I moved the folders to the nemesis output mod, but my Overwrite folder still looks red. In addition to the SKSE folder I also have the meshes, Nemesis_Engine and Scripts folders. It's this a problem?
Empty folders can be deleted after you have moved the files to the correct location (I believe Overwrite only moves files and leaves folders in place) Ensure they're empty first though.
can you make a new guide for using cabbage enb? really appreciate if you can
just wondering, we dont need the example right? confused if i need the example or not because you did a lot more steps with the example
This was way easier than the first time I tried installing an ENB o.o
Any chance you plan on doing DynDOLOD as well in the near future?
I’ll be looking to see if my PC will handle it :D
@@ADHDecent Awesome!
Crossing my fingers and toes that at least it can handle it well enough for a demo on how to actually get it working, Or if possible a way to get the distant looking slightly better if DynDOLOD is to heavy is an option. o.o
Have tried several times but most of the tutorials are for advanced modders, and its a lot of reading, which makes it hard for me to actually understand what I am doing. XD
At 3:57, is it fine if I placed these like this instead? Right-clicked on overwite and placed contents into open animation replacer instead of Nemesis Output.
Thanks for the great video. Few suggestions would be to briefly explain what other options are available and what is difference between each.
Quick question:Regarding overwrite folder, how to configure such that any update done directly in mod folder and not in overwrite folder as i don't know which mod to copy and paste.
There is a way to configure this on MO2 but I am unsure if you can choose different locations for different files. I believe the option is to put them into a single mod folder of your choice. I will look into this
@@ADHDecentThanks for your reply.
@ADHDecent Marvelous tutorials. really great. Just a little question with ENB Helper. I have game version 1.6.117.0 and your installing the ENB Helper SE 2.2 for 1.6.629. Should I not install the ENB Helper SE Updated for version 1.6.117.0
Appreciate the kind words and support thank you! The version is for 1.6.629 and up
@@ADHDecent Thanks for the quick response.
I just installed the 1.6.117.0 version as I said above. And the game glitches as it flickers
. With the 1.6.629 version, my movements are really slow and the mouse sensitivity is terrible. Can I do without ENB?
well i did somethimg wrong i think. Everytime i start skyrim through SKSE in MO2 , I get a black screen with music for a long while after pressing start new game. When i quit the application all my mod plugins in MO2 are unchecked. Any ideas anyone? Thought Ive been following along exactly how the series has gone. no extra mods
@ADHDECENT i play in a low end pc my frames in game are usually 60 i didnt think frames would drop so much im running 20s we created a file to revert i did everything in the video and i want to revert all of the settings how would i go on about it plz help i can do without enb tbh till i get a better pc also had a problem where the overwrite is still red
Nice job, can you show how to install legacy of dragonborn SSE?
I will make a note of it for this series :-)
tnk alot man love you @@ADHDecent
i've tried to download this like he has but i've messed up pretty badly, all it says is "incompatible medal.exe. exiting..." and im so lost is anyone able to help?
Lol i did something wrong i need to start again the error is not form your video but from me good thing you give good explanations
Appreciate it thank you! :-)
I downloaded every files and placed them how you showed on the video but everytime I press start on the SKSE it does not load. ENB prevents SKSE from loading and I dont know why.
Would love to see somme graphic mods too ❤❤
I will be including Graphic mods in this series :)
When I put open animation in nemesis output it made then ran skse it said “incompatible medal.exe is detected,exiting….”
Finallyyy 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@ADHDecent I've alredy installed without making a pre-enb folders following your old enb tutorial sir , is it okay ? 😢 can i remove the enb back again ? Cuz its dropping my fps from 59 to 21 any tips sir ? 😢
@Jempolzz ah I see. I’d say check out the ENB removal video I have and see if you can start over again. After removal, launch the game and see if it will update the INI files. Otherwise you can go on steam and “Check Validity of Game Files” which will reset all files in directory without it touching the mods. You will need to reinstall SKSE again though as that’s in the game directory
@@ADHDecent Roger that Sir thank you so much . Anyway ive follow some of your tutorial wich is very awesome. ive download cbbe , animation as per your video guide sorry for not being patience to wait for 7th episode just get too excited for modding and follow all your guide video 😂
Could you show hou to instal and remove any random mod best video ever like all this series
Appreciate it! Thank you :-)
Look into Azurite weather and Azurite horizons enb
I will take a look :-)
I decided to do my modding using your guides. Do you recommend adding mods on my own or should I wait for other tutorials from you before doing so?
This is entirely up to you. The guide can be used as a starting point, or as a completed build as I continue to build it. If you do install your own mods then the guide may look a little different to your own build and you may encounter other errors from conflicts for example that the guide will not. But ultimately it is up to you :)
@@ADHDecent I've already added around 20 mods and everything works perfectly! Thank you for making these videos!
@palkovichvarga2213 you’re very welcome. I appreciate your support! :-)
i followed all the steps but then when trying to launch the game thru SKSE it never does T_T
I have followed this guide but have additional files in my overwrite file and don't know where to put. Them how can I determine where these go.
I came to the comments as I have the same issue. There was nothing there for Open Animations, but I have 3 that are called "meshes", "Nemesis_Engine" and "scripts", I don't know what they belong to and so am hesitant to move them into the Nemesis Output files. In "meshes" there's 1 item called "attack behaviors" so it might belong in Nemesis Output, but I don't want to screw it up by guessing
@@neontank4503 I also have this issue, anybody got a fix?
Hey guys, I’m not sure what I did wrong but in the overwrite I got all the dlc files ( .bsa and .esm and .esl) anyway to fix that?
This is the first time I’ve heard of this. If I had to guess, you didn’t launch Skyrim AE at least once BEFORE installing your modding tools. You need to run Skyrim at least once first as it needs to generate the config files and download the AE content before you attempt to mod the game. That would be my guess anyway :-)
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Funny thing is I did launch it but I didn’t make a save or anything. After correcting the override i launched it again and created a test save. Now it works fine 😀👍. I’m any case thank you for replying 😁 I need to be more attentive in the future 😅
@GameMainiak114 you’re welcome! Don’t worry about it it’s one of the joys of modding aha!
Oh and i forgot to ask... Are you gonna cover cbbe? Lol
I hope so yes :-)
Thank you God for sending you to me.
Appreciate the support!
After installing enb my fps dropped 10 fps how can I fix this? (I have rx 480)
That’s the drawback to ENBs I’m afraid.
When i press apply for the F10, it just revert back to F12, what do i do in this situation?
Nevermind, fixed it.
@@VicShadowI'm having the same issue, how did you end up fixing it?
Nvm, fixed it.
is using ENB will cause conflict with CBBE?
No. ENB is about colour grading. CBBE is a body preset.
I reached this far but I have 24 FPS, launching the game without mods and I have the regular 60 FPS. help plz !!
My game also opens up fullscreen, but I can only interact with just a small corner as if its windowed.
It’ll likely be your ENB. If it’s costing you I’d suggest removing it from the build
First of all, thank you for making these videos, youre an actual legend for them. Also thanks for answering, I was having issues with the Chopping mod and ENB was indeed messing my FPS up. Its all fixed now ! Bless you !!@@ADHDecent
@foulheart123 happy to help! Really appreciate your kind words too thank you. Means a lot to me
Hello man! I've been following thiis guide and im currently at the SkyUI part, everything is running fine,the only problem is that when I load any save and start to play,my fps drops to 10-15,do you know why?Do you know the solution?
What are your pc specs? And do you have mods that run at 4K?
@@SCSAsJorts ik it's not because of my PC specs,because I modded Skyrim with 1562 mods a while ago in Vortex,but my PC specs are:I5 11th generation,RTX 3060 8GB Ram 512SSD.Also, I've been following the guide and didn't install any other mods aside from the aforementioned(from guide).
@@braziliancreator7015 oh yeah yours is pretty close to mine as far as specs go, gotta be a mod or swim thing just not playing nice
@@SCSAsJorts It might be some setting issue, I'll see more about it and if I solve I'll say(sorry if my English isn't good,not my main language)
@@braziliancreator7015 oh you’re totally fine 🙏🏾 hope all goes well
what the hell is "Skyrim Modding HUB"?
Dude, watch the first video and pay attention. Its the folder that was created to put all the things related to Skyrim Modding
Mmm. I guess this one isn't necessary right?
You can avoid ENB if you wish :-) if you choose not to install an ENB, ensure you choose mod versions not for ENB if referenced going forward (I mention it in the latest episode for ELFX fixes)
Great videos, although a little disjointed and spread too thin. I understand you're stretching this series out for obvious reasons, but useless for any immediate viewer who seeks direction. At this point I should quit skyrim for 3 months and come back when you're done the series.
It’s worth remembering that not everyone has a lot of time to set aside for things like modding. Whilst some may have hours, there are many who may have an hour a week if lucky. This needs to be inclusive for all or they’d return to find they’re 5 episodes behind.
And many people (myself included) need to space out learning all these different elements or we get overwhelmed and cannot focus or follow any of it.
And then there’s the time it takes to write and condense the script, record the audio and b-roll and edit and produce the final production. All done by myself alone and all done in my spare time outside of my day-to-day responsibilities. Maybe one day that will change I don’t know.
Ah, ENB's. Barely could figure these out back during my Oldrim modding days. Good to see it's not nearly as convoluted as I thought it was. Another item to add to my To Do list.