Its back up! Big Thanks to Seth MacFarlane (on twitter) who stepped in (after you guys brought it to his attention) and got this back online after FOX TH-cam bots had incorrectly blocked it worldwide!
that is awesome - he obviously cares about the fans (and reads a lot of the comments......for sure.....as you could watch the tone of his interviews change...from early on before the show premiered ...to what he says now......and it was definitely based on some of the points that came up in various discussions on TH-cam and elsewhere) - - hes making this for the fans...I think even if the network hadn't picked it up - he was prepared to just put it on Netflix (but Fox was like - stick it on the network) - hes obviously making this because he knows there are a ton of us out there that just want some variation on all the Trek (and sci-fi in general) that existed prior to the reboot (though - Nemesis was sort of a precursor to that.) - good stories that make you think and feel.....I hope he makes 200 episodes (!)...
Awesome! I hope that if Fox cancels it due to "poor critics' reviews" or "poor viewer ratings" that they'll put it on Netflix (or Hulu, HBO. or Apple's new service - as long as I can eventually get it on disc) - it deserves to continue...
You can feel the love for Trek and science fiction in The Orville. That's what's missing from STD. I hate to say it but there is sort of a corporate feel to STD, as if it's made by folks punching in elements from whatever show they think people like. (There is so much Game of Thrones in the show.)
STD only focuses on one character at least the original focused on three. It feels like the abramverse nonstop action stuff. The few scifi idea stuff surprised me tho
so i think the main reason why people had this issue with Orville at least at the beginning of the season is Fox was pushing it as a non-stop laugh festival. Its not. Its got a lot more laughs then your average ep of TNG or DS9 but its of the same family you could say. I think now that people are seeing it with the rest of the episodes together, you get a better feel for the show as a whole. Better then the first season of TNG.
The first few episodes are actually really slow for a comedy. I understand why the critics rated it so poorly if that's what they were judging on. The most recent episode was good and by far the best one so yet.
Absolutely. The trailers and adds are very miss leading. And it doesn't help that in every add there segway to A family guy add. Seth himself said that he hates that everyone thinks that this just a satire of Star Trek. It's not. It's an Homage to Star Track (Specially TGN, which was Seth's favorite ark). With yes. a little bit more light hearted.
It's not. It's pretty fun, but it remains a cheap ripoff with some smart stuff and some other stuff that simply cheap non creative writing. Discovery is a great show, and in a whole different league. Maybe not typical Star Trek, but still great.
@Matt Fors I don't agree. I like the action in Discovery and I like the way it looks. I like The Orville as well, and towards the later era they told some great stories. But people were saying from the beginning that it was great, while it was a cheap rip-off and had some really dumb ideas like the egg hatching and standard divorced man tropes.
@Matt Fors Well, we don't have to like the same things. I like how Discovery is different from TNG, which I haven't even watched (before my time), but I don't think it would attract the same amount of viewers. They need to make money. Action scifi sells better than more elaborate stories let alone philosophical based stories. Look at the Expanse. One of the best scifi shows ever, but almost got cancelled. When they were going to make Discovery, an Orville like show would never have gotten approved for that budget.
The Orville is a 9.5/10.0 for me so far. Seth McFarland is doing a great job, and I've never been much of a fan of Seth McFarland beyond Family Guy when I was in high school
It's a shame Joe didn't do any more Orville reviews. Would love to still see them retroactively. Perhaps in time for season 3 starting very soon (at last!)?
Some of the jokes fall flat, but nothing falls flatter than Gordon on his ass after Isaac amputated his leg!!! Oh my god I laughed so hard at that moment!
I fucking love that McFarlane and his helmsman buddy were "Devon and Chris" when they infiltrated the Krill ship. Also, even at 3 million viewers per episode, it's still the 2nd most watched show on Fox.
Is that some kind of reference? It sounds like it? I totally expected after the complicated name conversation in the shuttle that they will end up with something very simple.
I unsubscribed from Collider for their biased disdain for The Orville. Campea did just a short lazy review on it and told viewers not to waste their time on it. They have been reviewin all episodes od STD positively, on the other hand. I hope The Orville becomes so big imany people will feel awkwardly embarrassed .
Is it just me or is STD really confusing? Everyone blames the first officer for the war even though a few people on the discovery where present when the klingons began firing. Don't they get testimonies from people present before the court marshal?
Yea it is, very confusing. I personally think STD would do well without having that dimension alltogether. It just make it confusing and less believable imo. I get the character creation and why they did it but it is just not my cup of tea. I will continue watching STD because i love the theme and hopefully they do well but Orville just hit the spot for me much much better. So i hope they both do well :).
I am also watching both, but i'm finding I enjoy the Orville much more than STD. I hope it gets better because it looks (visually) phenominal, just the plots n characts seem to be a bit off for me.
STD feels like Mass Effect, from the unform, armor and even the ship layout with the stairs and all that, screams ME. I constantly have to remind myself this is supposed to be ST
I wasn't going to watch Orville because it looked rubbish, but heard good things and a draught in good TV, so I watched it is so much better than expected, just the right amount of cheese and surprisingly imaginative, massively better than boring stale Sexually Transmitted Disease.
Because its supposed to be a parody only it's not funny.... not even a little. I never really watched star trek but I'm sure any attempt at humor in those shows were ten times better than any of the "humor" in The Orville.
@@PeppaJackable i've seen like 3 replies from you... if you don't find ANY of the humor in this TV Show even a little funny, you need a sense of humor. I can tell anyone in a relationship with you wouldn't be very happy with characteristics like replying to all comments over your dislike of the show and hating on things for the same reason as well as hating all of the humor in a TV show that legitimately has a wide range of comedic jokes within it.
Let's say it like it is:The Orville is a loveletter/hommage/parody of everything people loved from the oldschool Star Trek series of the 60's/90's,made by people who are Star Trek nerds themselfs and including many of the old writers/producers. It's a show,made by fans for fans. STD (seriously,nobody noticed this?!) is a generic,grimdark,''pew pew'' Space Opera,with crappy acting,writing,characters who shits on over 30 years of continuity and canon,ruined one of the most popular alien races,in this franchise and is the total opposite of everything that Star Trek stands for.The CGI looks great,I give them that,but that's about it. And to add insult to injury,they put on a paywall,in order to actually watch this shit and the producers/actors are spewing SJW-bullshit,in order to promote this trainwreck.
IMO Orville is a remake of the original 60's show, with its camp humor but serious storylines mixed in, Very original star trek. STD is a remake of JJ Trek, which is a remake of Star trek Movies, which is a remake of the original star trek series. AKA its a recycled peice of junk, with lens flares.
This is why I 95% trust User Scores over the site's few "critics" score. Too much shady shit going on in the background to keep relationships friendly with the companies they are suppose to be critiquing, unbiased. Only times I trust the User Scores less if it's still fresh and not a lot of people have added to it yet, or if it's being noticeably review bombed because the company did something questionable. Even then the bombing tells you something is going on with the content.
I agree - it's like I would nearly always trust box-office numbers over oscar nominations lol. But there is one MASSIVE exception - super hero movies. Man if we're being real, even those of us that grew up with superhero comics/cartoons/movies/whatever and cherish them... like the worst superhero movie to the best one is really objectively like between 6/10 and 9/10 lol. None of them are 10/10, barely any are a 9.. and none of them are below a 5 if you're being objective. But every time a superhero movie comes out, the nerds get on IMDB and it's either 9/10 or 1/10 opening week, whilst REALLY, really bad films you turn off half way in and regret even torrenting sit there with a smug little 5.5 on IMDB
I don't normally go in for conspiracy theories, but I'd say that CBS has been beaming some extra cash into the pockets of some of the critics. It's one thing to sue and essentially shut down a fan film for putting up competition.. It's very different to do so with a large network that is very comparable to their own in scope. So they've got to try to discredit vs directly trying to shut it down.
The Orville is great! I almost cried sometimes because it has its TNG / Star Trek moments. It's Star Trek at heart with some very human humor injected. They are taking things seriously too (the union / plot / everything else is not a joke, not too mention the great sci-fi writing). It's amazing!
Here come the Orville fans claiming its better than Star Trek Discovery...No its not. Its a cheap star trek knock off with the typical dick/fart and penis jokes made by Seth Mcfarlane.
The thing i have noticed the difference between The orville and Discovery is that The Orville has actual Character development, there are small scenes that build on relationships and personalities, So far Discovery has done very little to build that level of character, pretty much everyone on the USS discovery is a dick.
Kc. I like Orville more as well but it is not true that everyone on Discovery is a dick. Burnams roommate is just lovely and there are neutrals. You have to keep in mind the position in which the ship and crew are, it is war and the show takes itself realisticly. It is not fun when people are getting killed left and right. As for Orville, its light i like it a lot but it would be a hard sell to claim it is realistic.
+Game Tips Michael's roommate doesn't belong as crew on a federation ship, let alone THIS ship with THIS captain. She's the character that would typically be engaged to a transporter technician or whatever, and would react poorly to seeing what life on the ship is actually going to be like...Her character seems wholly contrived for the express purpose of not having every single person be insufferable and mean spirited villains.
+George Why would she not belong. From what i saw the ship is full of kind of brilliant but also messed up people. And she is both brilliant and messed up, just in a different way than most other crew members are. If you ask me she totally belongs. Anyhow even if she does not belong she is not the only non dick person. The doctor is a cool dude, and it turns his mate, the lead scientiest is fine as well. Sure at first it seams like everyone is a dick but now that some characters are developed and we see more motivation behind their actions we see they really are not. Well a bunch of them anway. War is a dark grimmy gloommy place so yea... its suposed to be like that. Not really my cup of tea but still. It fits.
i liked the orville and STD for the most part. i understand what discovery is trying to do. my main problem is the way it just destroys canon. particularly with klingons. they dont look like klingons, they dont act like klingons, none of their tech resembles anything klingon. klingons were a deep culture with a huge, lived in, realistic feeling culture, with an incredible and iconic design and STD just said " nah, they do this now."
Orville >> STD. Orville isn't Star Trek, but it has the heart and soul of Star Trek. Star Trek Discovery is missing that, and is an empty shell because of it.
Orville wants to be Star Trek, and it could have been, the idea was pitched to CBS, but they didnt wanted it. they should have called it space hike. its offbrand star trek, but the quality is there, the orville plot and writting are better than alot of voyager episodes, the only thing voyager has going for it is the stronger cast, but you can hardly beat mulgrew and picardo, those to are realy realy good actors.
I was hooked on Orville after episode 1. I can't even remember the names of the characters in discovery. Episode 3 of discovery was enjoyable. Episode 4 was okay. Episode 1 and 2 were fucking horrendous. For me Orville is the true modern take on star trek. Discovery just wants to be a 2 hour movie.
Discovery just seems way too serious for me compared to Orville. Orvilles characters are more memorable and light hearted but can also be serious when they need to be. With discovery I very easily get bored and can't really remember any characters names
The show is one of the if not the strongest show for FOX in terms of ratings for years. It's quiet amazing. And yes, this show is fantastic, the 6 Mission Trailer took out all the jokes and that trailer is amazing. I think even FOX now thinks "okay, this is not just Galaxy Quest, we don't need to push the humour all the time and can show that this show has a serious aspect and that aspect is great". Regarding the ratings: It's really weird but the same thing happened with the Warcraft movie, people really liking it and critiques hating it. I think it shows serious issues with a huge bunch of people in that business, who aren't doing their job really. I mean the reviews reviewed 3 episodes of The Orville and they didn't even did it in a good way, I mean they didn't understand the third episode which is quiet amazing. They talk about gender issues even though the show was way more about how cultures treat differences and their children. So they obviously didn't really watched that episode but still used it as a reason to rate it very low.
The critics are clueless and should be taken out to pasture. "Critics" who try to tell audiences what to think are the scum of the earth. These are the same critics who love Star Trek Discovery, while actual audiences hate it.
I just hate bad writing to move the plot along. 1. How did the Klingons know who Lorca was and where and when so they can magically appear in Federation space to capture him. They can't find the Discovery but they can find him in a shuttle? Why did he have the meeting in person leaving his ship behind? Why not bring the ship or holograph his presence? If the Klingons can just appear where they wish, why not blow up the star base with him in it or capture other staff at the meeting who seem to be based there? 2. How does Harry Mudd know Lorca's history but a Star Fleet officer does not? 3. Klingons now eat people and in this episode shag humans, openly on a ship of war, (battle cruiser, bird of prey, prison ship... make up your minds!) 4. So Lorca knows how to fly a Klingon fighter and evades several other fighters with expert pilots at their helm and somehow runs into his ship that happens to be in a position he knows nothing about in foreign Klingon space? 5. No one knows the Dr. and Stamets live in the same quarters? 6. Lorca killed his entire crew so they would not be tortured and humiliated and that was OK with the admiralty? Well, I guess it saved them from being eaten too then and I am sure the other Capts. followed suit, not? 6. So the Discovery did not destroy the Klingon fighters (Why didn't they?... fighters are way easier than birds of prey no?) ... so if the spore jump drive was a secret... it sure as heck is not now. 7. Saru deducing that a lead Klingon fighter had to be Capt. Lorca instead of anyone else is just plane ridiculous.
I love how the aliens, even the prothetic ones, look way better than the klingons in std :D I'll bet you will see more krill cosplays at trek con than new klingon ones
The ''Nu-Klingons'' in STD look like Uruk-Hai rejects,dressed in leftover costumes from the 80's Flash Gordon movie,who talk like they have an IQ like Forest Gump. Way to fuck up one of the coolest alien races in the Star Trek universe.
McFarlane's comedy has always been 20 minutes of running off fume and repetitive. From family guy to Ted. But I have to say this show is AWESOME! Maybe Seth really feels passionate about this. Maybe family guy needs to stop.
He lost passion for Family Guy since Season 4. It's painfully apparent. He's been bobbling his passions between American Dad and his movies. Seth is a horrid multi tasker. But people still watch Family Guy so he just has lackeys write scripts for him. I think his focus is gonna be on Orville for a looong time.
The Orville deserves to be on TV. And we need it. We need the hopeful future shows. Now more than ever. ST Discovery? Has nothing for me. In fact I wish it was taken off TV. The characters, the storyline, everything about it is distopian and conflict. Characters that hate each other, argue, and are unsympathetic for the audience does nothing for us as a culture. We DONT NEED more division. We DONT NEED that reflected in our fantasies, our fiction or our mythos. Its tearing us apart. Drop it. LONG LIVE THE ORVILLE
Agreed by ep 3 this show really showed they can deal with some serious issues like old TNG did. This show just keeps getting better with every episode. Also think of the enterprise as the A+ students they are very proper and polite rarely do they screw around. The Orville crew are more the C students who party and do stupid sh@t and have a good time. Picard loved Shakespeare, Sisko loved baseball, Kirk old earth junk and what does the Orville's captain have on his desk. This won me over entirely. I also think the first seasons of everything after TOS have been pretty bad compared to the rest of their runs seasons 2-3 and they get in their grooves.
For ppl that don't know Seth McFarlane went to CBS to pitch this show as a new star trek....they said no and went with what we got for discovery. Seth took his story and concept to fox and they said yes. He added parody into it to fall under fair use since it was essentially star trek. The amount of former star trek people working on Orville is amazing. I mean u had Commander riker direct ep 5 for example. From what I've read it seems the critics expected a space balls type parody show for star trek....they get it didn't go hard enough into the "family Guy" star trek that they seemed to wish it was....maybe they wanted a parody like when family Guy did star wars....but Seth is a huge star trek fan and he wanted to make a real star trek show for years, he is completely series in making a good star trek show, the parody is there for legal fair use reasons but it's not suppose to be like Spaceballs. They handle some serious issues and topics in the first 6 eps
TheDarthVader77 Really though? Have you watched episode 6? Because quite frankly he showed more acting chops than I realised he had. Seth carried the episode tbh.
I wish when the booger character went to shake the hot lady's hand, Seth stepped in and was like "Nope! Don't....thats um....thats not his hand." especially after in an earlier episode the nasty little spud implied it was his junk already.
Joe man you gotta let your Bros talk. Sorry I don't know his name yet but not other Joe - you cut him off and I feel bad for him. I wanna hear what he had to say :( also that intro man! Nice work
The Orville is preferable to STD mainly because even though it's still got a fairly liberal viewpoint, it's more the centrist liberal viewpoint of the 60s-90s; it's mercifully free of the kind of insane modern "social justice" cult preaching that saturates STD, as well as nearly ever other product of the entertainment industry these days. Also, just on its own terms, I think people like it because of the relatively small-scale focus on telling simple stories, with proper character development and a good ensemble cast. But the CGI can be impressive too at times - the big space battle in Season 2 was really rather good. Even the wonky balance of humour and drama is sort of charming, you get used to it and eventually find it quite homely and comfortable, and the lameness of some of the jokes is part of the fun.
here are the Fox ratings - the Orville is in their top 2 or 3 shows - though in the last couple weeks - as more shows have premiered - they were probably Fox's 4th or 5th highest rated show......so not bad......even Fox's top show - consistently - Empire - only usually gets 5+ ,million viewers a week......
SuperGamefreak18 Well I got childhood nostalgia for Galaxy Quest, still think it is one of the greatest parodies and I got to see it in theaters. That is cool that you think highly of this show. I got to check it out when I get the chance.
The Orville is a hybrid of TOS and TNG. It has the simplicity and campiness of TOS and the beautiful aesthetics and positive , optimistic vision of TNG (and Voyager). Star Trek fans love the positive, optimistic vision of the future where humans have evolved beyond greed and hate, and have also evolved interpersonal relationships. This is where TNG excels, but the Orville is making a good attempt. Dark, pessimistic shows are a dime a dozen...they are almost every sci fi show now... they are boring and suck the life out of you. LOVE THE ORVILLE. ALSO, BRING BACK TNG!
The humour I like best is what sort of pokes holes into the perfect humanity that Star Trek: TNG presented. One moment the driver guys were complaining how bored they were scanning a new part of space where every single person on the Enterprise just loved nothing better than to explore and philosophize. This crew is still human even with the changes to technology and society. They can be brats. But they're still loyal and have good hearts. And the robot is a jerky version of Data. Not as interesting, but he does have the almost innocent arrogance that comes with perfection.
The disparity between the critics and the viewers is the difference between people who watch TV for their leisure and people who watch TV for a living.
Orville is the new Star Trek Imo. I'm calling it now, it's gonna be the Star Trek of a new generation. It's pretty good so far, it tries to establish a lore like old school Star Trek.
Why are people hating the show I've been watching it from beginning on Hulu and I think it's really good as well I think people nowadays are just so spoiled with entertainment
ShrewdREAPER i think it's the crazy religious, they have been bashing it since it likes to pick on it. Seth has been known to pick on religion though so it's not surprising.
@كافر Krok O'dil كافر that's actually a good point i forgot Lucille Ball is what saved the show till you mentioned the fact Roddenberry 's ratings wasn't good.
Love Orville right now. Even though some of the jokes go Kaput it is still really good and usually crap jokes are redeemed with good ones. For example in one episode they were watching Seinfeld and that was fuckin great. ST:TNG is my favorite Trek by far and this show closely follows the episode structure of TNG which I really like.
The reason why it follows the structure so well is that Seth basically got 50% of the writers and directors from TNG and DS9 on board. Hell Mr. Riker himself John Frakes the last time I checked directed 3 of these suckers.
Even though I don't really like Seth or his humor, I do like the ST:TNG tone The Orville has, epscially since STD is all JJTrek "war war! action action!" I've enjoyed Orville so far, it has heart.
I am so glad that everything has turned around for this channel! Comments are positive, dislikes are down, and people are being civilised and letting joe do his thing! Thanks to everyone who stuck with him and thanks to Joe for pushing through!
KafkaIs Chaznable I've been doing the same. RAZORFIST sold me on rewatching it. I knew I loved it at the time (the characters are, by far, the best of any star trek series) but hadn't watched it in years.
Anyone that doesn't like the Orville just doesn't have a natural and normal sense of humor, those that don't like the show must have an engineered sense of humor, false and only good for being a professional critic.
What the critics fail to understand is that real life is a drama, but there is a lot of humor too. So the Orville creates (in some ways) a more realistic future than anyone in the past.
In a way I envy you because you are seeing STD with no expectations. The thing is though, if you ever do binge watch the shows at some point in the future, you will understand that STD is not Star Trek. It's a sci-fi show that slapped the Star Trek logo on it. Star Trek has also had an optimism that simply isn't shown on this show.
I have not yet met a star trek fan who actually likes discovery but I guess it is possible. As someone who grew up watching star trek tos, I despise STD it with all my heart. I absolutely love the orville!
Don't get to put off by the comedy aspect. Part of it has to do with not getting sued. (Comedy Spoofs have more lead way,). If you pay more attention to the storyline and there crew interactions I think you will enjoy it. (Assuming you liked TNG and TOS)
I really didnt think Star Trek could work in the modern age, that kind of genteel hopeful vision of the future has sadly faded. But Orville found a way to make it work. The future is hopeful but the people in this show act like real people. They make inappropriate comments, they make jokes, they have affairs, they laugh they cry they sometimes dont get it right. And thats wonderful because it makes the audience CARE about the characters. Just like TNG it makes us want to go on an adventure with these characters.
Orville rocks! Good review. But I suspect you (and pretty much everyone else) has the Krill kid dynamic backwards. What I expect to happen is for one or a few of the Krill kids to start questioning the Krill dogma that only Krill matter (and have souls). Perhaps some start or join a resistance against the official Krill position, and something like a Krill inquisition comes after them for heresy. At that point perhaps the kid or kids or some of the resistance appear at earth and ask for asylum, which they easily get. But then Krill warships arrive and threaten to start an all-out war against earth unless the kids are returned (before or after asylum is granted). From that point on they would go in any of several directions. Perhaps at the end they get a guarantee from the Krill not to harm the kids, but then as soon as the kids are delivered to the Krill they are instantly killed... perhaps while on-screen during communications to deliver a strong message to earth that "we do not tolerate you getting into our own business". Then perhaps the cliffhanger is their conversation that goes something like "we cannot tolerate this", "but this could become a huge war", "we can't just let them get away with this", "what are we doing to do?"... and fade out. What would they do next season? Perhaps they'll create a parallel to something warlike in STD... but then resolve it in a minimally violent way the next season to rub the whole "we are the real Star Trek" into the faces of the writers of STD. That would be awesome!
Its back up!
Big Thanks to Seth MacFarlane (on twitter) who stepped in (after you guys brought it to his attention) and got this back online after FOX TH-cam bots had incorrectly blocked it worldwide!
nice going!
Great news! Congratulations!!
that is awesome - he obviously cares about the fans (and reads a lot of the comments......for sure.....as you could watch the tone of his interviews change...from early on before the show premiered ...to what he says now......and it was definitely based on some of the points that came up in various discussions on TH-cam and elsewhere) - - hes making this for the fans...I think even if the network hadn't picked it up - he was prepared to just put it on Netflix (but Fox was like - stick it on the network) - hes obviously making this because he knows there are a ton of us out there that just want some variation on all the Trek (and sci-fi in general) that existed prior to the reboot (though - Nemesis was sort of a precursor to that.) - good stories that make you think and feel.....I hope he makes 200 episodes (!)...
Awesome! I hope that if Fox cancels it due to "poor critics' reviews" or "poor viewer ratings" that they'll put it on Netflix (or Hulu, HBO. or Apple's new service - as long as I can eventually get it on disc) - it deserves to continue...
That's freaking awesome!! I was wondering where the video went
This is proof Seth McFarlane is a major trekkie. It really feels genuine
You can feel the love for Trek and science fiction in The Orville.
That's what's missing from STD. I hate to say it but there is sort of a corporate feel to STD, as if it's made by folks punching in elements from whatever show they think people like. (There is so much Game of Thrones in the show.)
STD only focuses on one character at least the original focused on three. It feels like the abramverse nonstop action stuff. The few scifi idea stuff surprised me tho
Two words: "Ensign Rivers".
so i think the main reason why people had this issue with Orville at least at the beginning of the season is Fox was pushing it as a non-stop laugh festival. Its not. Its got a lot more laughs then your average ep of TNG or DS9 but its of the same family you could say. I think now that people are seeing it with the rest of the episodes together, you get a better feel for the show as a whole.
Better then the first season of TNG.
The first few episodes are actually really slow for a comedy. I understand why the critics rated it so poorly if that's what they were judging on. The most recent episode was good and by far the best one so yet.
Yep. I think the critics are watching this show thinking its a comedy, not a sci-fi show.
It's not hard to be better than TNG season 1.
Absolutely. The trailers and adds are very miss leading. And it doesn't help that in every add there segway to A family guy add.
Seth himself said that he hates that everyone thinks that this just a satire of Star Trek.
It's not. It's an Homage to Star Track (Specially TGN, which was Seth's favorite ark). With yes. a little bit more light hearted.
Its probably FOX missing the point... as usual.
The Orville is doing Star Trek better than Star Trek.
No they are not. Unless you're talking about Discovery in which case I would agree.
they don't capture what star trek was about in any manner; its just explosions for the dummies who like star wars.
It's not. It's pretty fun, but it remains a cheap ripoff with some smart stuff and some other stuff that simply cheap non creative writing. Discovery is a great show, and in a whole different league. Maybe not typical Star Trek, but still great.
@Matt Fors I don't agree. I like the action in Discovery and I like the way it looks. I like The Orville as well, and towards the later era they told some great stories. But people were saying from the beginning that it was great, while it was a cheap rip-off and had some really dumb ideas like the egg hatching and standard divorced man tropes.
@Matt Fors Well, we don't have to like the same things. I like how Discovery is different from TNG, which I haven't even watched (before my time), but I don't think it would attract the same amount of viewers. They need to make money. Action scifi sells better than more elaborate stories let alone philosophical based stories. Look at the Expanse. One of the best scifi shows ever, but almost got cancelled. When they were going to make Discovery, an Orville like show would never have gotten approved for that budget.
Update: The Orville keeps getting better.
You can't trust Rotten Tomatoes. They gave the Ghostbusters reboot a 89% at one point and certified fresh.
Imperial Sect this fact makes me very sad....
I guess it was fresh trash?
they say it's on par with the original..
It is in no way on par with the original. The plot sucks, the cast did not have the dynamics, and the jokes were forced and were crap.
rotten tomatoes also had get out being on par with citizen kane.........they can't be trusted
The Orville is a 9.5/10.0 for me so far. Seth McFarland is doing a great job, and I've never been much of a fan of Seth McFarland beyond Family Guy when I was in high school
*MacFarlane
"You want to open this jar of pickles for me?"
Glen Simpson no
"I loosened it for you!"
Never did I think a jar of pickles could almost bring me to tears, but when he opened up that present....man 😭
It's a shame Joe didn't do any more Orville reviews. Would love to still see them retroactively. Perhaps in time for season 3 starting very soon (at last!)?
Some of the jokes fall flat, but nothing falls flatter than Gordon on his ass after Isaac amputated his leg!!! Oh my god I laughed so hard at that moment!
One of the funniest parts of the whole show lol
All of the jokes fall flat. If that's the funniest moment that's sad.
This show is probably gonna do better than Star Trek Discovery
(Thanks for the likes, I wasn't expecting this many!)
Well it's a whole lot easier to see, that's for sure.
probably because you don't have to fucking pay to watch it
t c Exactly
HitchensImmortal True
i agree for two reasons.... broke ass stoners and younglings love anything family guy related and can't afford the $6 to watch STD... hahaha
I fucking love that McFarlane and his helmsman buddy were "Devon and Chris" when they infiltrated the Krill ship. Also, even at 3 million viewers per episode, it's still the 2nd most watched show on Fox.
Is that some kind of reference? It sounds like it? I totally expected after the complicated name conversation in the shuttle that they will end up with something very simple.
Orville somehow works. I agree with Y'all
Anything with Mcfarlene in it is trash
Too bad it doesn't work for people to actually watch the show lmfao
adam lebednik Why thank you
+CynicallyObnoxious works better than the joke off an pile of shit that is std
CynicallyObnoxious
That made sense.
Does anyone think the red shirt guy looks like Ryker??
Jake Drake YESSSSSSSSSSSS!
Yes.
I thought the same thing, lol.
No, he looks like *Riker :)
Number One.
I unsubscribed from Collider for their biased disdain for The Orville. Campea did just a short lazy review on it and told viewers not to waste their time on it. They have been reviewin all episodes od STD positively, on the other hand. I hope The Orville becomes so big imany people will feel awkwardly embarrassed .
Weimar Carvalho it's great
Weimar Carvalho
Campea thinks Zack Snyder is an amazing director and the DC movies are masterpieces. His shitty opinions doesn't mean much.
Orville is WAYYYY better than STD
Yep
Is it just me or is STD really confusing? Everyone blames the first officer for the war even though a few people on the discovery where present when the klingons began firing. Don't they get testimonies from people present before the court marshal?
Yea it is, very confusing. I personally think STD would do well without having that dimension alltogether. It just make it confusing and less believable imo. I get the character creation and why they did it but it is just not my cup of tea.
I will continue watching STD because i love the theme and hopefully they do well but Orville just hit the spot for me much much better.
So i hope they both do well :).
I am also watching both, but i'm finding I enjoy the Orville much more than STD. I hope it gets better because it looks (visually) phenominal, just the plots n characts seem to be a bit off for me.
It's not better, they're both quite good.
I love both shows... But Orville feel more ST than Discovery.
STD feels like Mass Effect, from the unform, armor and even the ship layout with the stairs and all that, screams ME. I constantly have to remind myself this is supposed to be ST
Olek_Gannon alrighty then
@Olek_Gannon are you implying that the Orville does not have liberal propaganda throughout and that you are not a sissy nor a dumbass?
fetB Huh, you know a few tweeks and STD's story would have been perfect for Mass effect Andromeda.
Lord Zephyros I Was just saying this to my dad today when he asked about Star Trek discovery
I wasn't going to watch Orville because it looked rubbish, but heard good things and a draught in good TV, so I watched it is so much better than expected, just the right amount of cheese and surprisingly imaginative, massively better than boring stale Sexually Transmitted Disease.
jack jones you forgot lens flares in the fact that they use hologram projection what kind of s*** is that
I just watched 4 episodes and I loved it I don't understand why critics hate it and I fear that fox may cancel it just because it's fox
Rancor productions because the critics can screw off and they don't know what the people like which is the Orville
Oh look a second season
Because its supposed to be a parody only it's not funny.... not even a little. I never really watched star trek but I'm sure any attempt at humor in those shows were ten times better than any of the "humor" in The Orville.
@@PeppaJackable i've seen like 3 replies from you... if you don't find ANY of the humor in this TV Show even a little funny, you need a sense of humor. I can tell anyone in a relationship with you wouldn't be very happy with characteristics like replying to all comments over your dislike of the show and hating on things for the same reason as well as hating all of the humor in a TV show that legitimately has a wide range of comedic jokes within it.
Let's say it like it is:The Orville is a loveletter/hommage/parody of everything people loved from the oldschool Star Trek series of the 60's/90's,made by people who are Star Trek nerds themselfs and including many of the old writers/producers.
It's a show,made by fans for fans.
STD (seriously,nobody noticed this?!) is a generic,grimdark,''pew pew'' Space Opera,with crappy acting,writing,characters who shits on over 30 years of continuity and canon,ruined one of the most popular alien races,in this franchise and is the total opposite of everything that Star Trek stands for.The CGI looks great,I give them that,but that's about it.
And to add insult to injury,they put on a paywall,in order to actually watch this shit and the producers/actors are spewing SJW-bullshit,in order to promote this trainwreck.
IMO Orville is a remake of the original 60's show, with its camp humor but serious storylines mixed in, Very original star trek.
STD is a remake of JJ Trek, which is a remake of Star trek Movies, which is a remake of the original star trek series. AKA its a recycled peice of junk, with lens flares.
This is why I 95% trust User Scores over the site's few "critics" score. Too much shady shit going on in the background to keep relationships friendly with the companies they are suppose to be critiquing, unbiased. Only times I trust the User Scores less if it's still fresh and not a lot of people have added to it yet, or if it's being noticeably review bombed because the company did something questionable. Even then the bombing tells you something is going on with the content.
I agree - it's like I would nearly always trust box-office numbers over oscar nominations lol. But there is one MASSIVE exception - super hero movies.
Man if we're being real, even those of us that grew up with superhero comics/cartoons/movies/whatever and cherish them... like the worst superhero movie to the best one is really objectively like between 6/10 and 9/10 lol. None of them are 10/10, barely any are a 9.. and none of them are below a 5 if you're being objective. But every time a superhero movie comes out, the nerds get on IMDB and it's either 9/10 or 1/10 opening week, whilst REALLY, really bad films you turn off half way in and regret even torrenting sit there with a smug little 5.5 on IMDB
Jo King wh
Are you saying The Dark Knight and the GOTG movies aren't 8's and 9's?
I don't normally go in for conspiracy theories, but I'd say that CBS has been beaming some extra cash into the pockets of some of the critics. It's one thing to sue and essentially shut down a fan film for putting up competition.. It's very different to do so with a large network that is very comparable to their own in scope. So they've got to try to discredit vs directly trying to shut it down.
Hence why Angry Reviews by Joe are always better and more truthfull then IGN and such. Fuck the system.
The Orville is great! I almost cried sometimes because it has its TNG / Star Trek moments. It's Star Trek at heart with some very human humor injected. They are taking things seriously too (the union / plot / everything else is not a joke, not too mention the great sci-fi writing). It's amazing!
I love this show, it's really the Star Trek we deserve
With all the weird humor that fits in nowhere at all
And the one we need RIGHT NOW!
Here come the Orville fans claiming its better than Star Trek Discovery...No its not. Its a cheap star trek knock off with the typical dick/fart and penis jokes made by Seth Mcfarlane.
Darkness1984 You haven't actually watched the show, have you?
It's not as good as TNG/DS9/Voyager.
I'm totally with Joe on this one, the Orville is great. Not perfect, but unquestionably great.
First year was a little shaky, but the second season really took it to great places.
Solid 9/10 here. TOS and TNG stories used well, the clever use of humor, and interesting universe building. It's a rare gem.
Orville is my favourite new show. I watch it on Hulu every week and I regret nothing.
Ivy The Twisted you and me both, I look forward to it EVERY WEEK :)
Nothing?
Ivy The Twisted i want to watch you on Hulu every week
You have 2.8million subscribers basically 3million subs without any videos???? WTF 😱 a little bit of me died inside. *cries in a corner*
The thing i have noticed the difference between The orville and Discovery is that The Orville has actual Character development, there are small scenes that build on relationships and personalities, So far Discovery has done very little to build that level of character, pretty much everyone on the USS discovery is a dick.
Wait, there are characters in Discovery? Mind. Blown.
Toché
Kc.
I like Orville more as well but it is not true that everyone on Discovery is a dick.
Burnams roommate is just lovely and there are neutrals.
You have to keep in mind the position in which the ship and crew are, it is war and the show takes itself realisticly. It is not fun when people are getting killed left and right.
As for Orville, its light i like it a lot but it would be a hard sell to claim it is realistic.
+Game Tips
Michael's roommate doesn't belong as crew on a federation ship, let alone THIS ship with THIS captain. She's the character that would typically be engaged to a transporter technician or whatever, and would react poorly to seeing what life on the ship is actually going to be like...Her character seems wholly contrived for the express purpose of not having every single person be insufferable and mean spirited villains.
+George
Why would she not belong. From what i saw the ship is full of kind of brilliant but also messed up people. And she is both brilliant and messed up, just in a different way than most other crew members are.
If you ask me she totally belongs.
Anyhow even if she does not belong she is not the only non dick person. The doctor is a cool dude, and it turns his mate, the lead scientiest is fine as well. Sure at first it seams like everyone is a dick but now that some characters are developed and we see more motivation behind their actions we see they really are not. Well a bunch of them anway.
War is a dark grimmy gloommy place so yea... its suposed to be like that.
Not really my cup of tea but still. It fits.
I watched 3 eps of The Orville and 3 eps of Star Trek Discovery.
I like the Orville a lot more and I'm so surprised by it.
undercurrent you can keep watching both.
undercurrent and unfortunately knowing fox they'll cancel it after first season, while discovery will probably last 3
mandalore fett i get the feeling the orville will get destroyed this season :(
undercurrent nobody should watch STD it’s sjw propaganda
The guy on the left looks like Ryker's little bro. Nice review everyone.
Its Thomas Riker?
i liked the orville and STD for the most part. i understand what discovery is trying to do. my main problem is the way it just destroys canon. particularly with klingons. they dont look like klingons, they dont act like klingons, none of their tech resembles anything klingon. klingons were a deep culture with a huge, lived in, realistic feeling culture, with an incredible and iconic design and STD just said " nah, they do this now."
Orville >> STD.
Orville isn't Star Trek, but it has the heart and soul of Star Trek. Star Trek Discovery is missing that, and is an empty shell because of it.
i love them both. Let's make a spaceship!
Orville wants to be Star Trek, and it could have been, the idea was pitched to CBS, but they didnt wanted it. they should have called it space hike. its offbrand star trek, but the quality is there, the orville plot and writting are better than alot of voyager episodes, the only thing voyager has going for it is the stronger cast, but you can hardly beat mulgrew and picardo, those to are realy realy good actors.
Oh right. It feels so star trek to me i totally forgot that it actually is not and i could not care less really is fun as hell.
"Avis, We try Harder"
Black velvet Avis. (When my daughter was a teen, she had a black velvet Elvis hanging in her room ironically.)
"Why don't the humans worship Avis?"
"Well, they worship their own god, called Hertz."
Way better than shitty STD
The Orville > STD
unseenpath yes The Orville is batter then sexaul transmitted disease
The show really surprised me.. I love it.
I was hooked on Orville after episode 1. I can't even remember the names of the characters in discovery. Episode 3 of discovery was enjoyable. Episode 4 was okay. Episode 1 and 2 were fucking horrendous. For me Orville is the true modern take on star trek. Discovery just wants to be a 2 hour movie.
Orville as modern Star Trek looks like trash.
its fun though even if it really is trash to some high end production quality stuff.
Discovery just seems way too serious for me compared to Orville. Orvilles characters are more memorable and light hearted but can also be serious when they need to be. With discovery I very easily get bored and can't really remember any characters names
Krill was by far the best episode yet
yeah even if it was funny,it reminded me when picard+spock+data inflitrated that Romulan base/ship...... best moments of sci-fi in tv
The show is one of the if not the strongest show for FOX in terms of ratings for years. It's quiet amazing. And yes, this show is fantastic, the 6 Mission Trailer took out all the jokes and that trailer is amazing. I think even FOX now thinks "okay, this is not just Galaxy Quest, we don't need to push the humour all the time and can show that this show has a serious aspect and that aspect is great".
Regarding the ratings: It's really weird but the same thing happened with the Warcraft movie, people really liking it and critiques hating it. I think it shows serious issues with a huge bunch of people in that business, who aren't doing their job really. I mean the reviews reviewed 3 episodes of The Orville and they didn't even did it in a good way, I mean they didn't understand the third episode which is quiet amazing. They talk about gender issues even though the show was way more about how cultures treat differences and their children. So they obviously didn't really watched that episode but still used it as a reason to rate it very low.
I love The Orville so far. It's the Star Trek that Star Trek fans have been wanting, but with jokes. And I like the jokes, so that's just fine.
The critics are clueless and should be taken out to pasture. "Critics" who try to tell audiences what to think are the scum of the earth. These are the same critics who love Star Trek Discovery, while actual audiences hate it.
I just hate bad writing to move the plot along. 1. How did the Klingons know who Lorca was and where and when so they can magically appear in Federation space to capture him. They can't find the Discovery but they can find him in a shuttle? Why did he have the meeting in person leaving his ship behind? Why not bring the ship or holograph his presence? If the Klingons can just appear where they wish, why not blow up the star base with him in it or capture other staff at the meeting who seem to be based there? 2. How does Harry Mudd know Lorca's history but a Star Fleet officer does not? 3. Klingons now eat people and in this episode shag humans, openly on a ship of war, (battle cruiser, bird of prey, prison ship... make up your minds!) 4. So Lorca knows how to fly a Klingon fighter and evades several other fighters with expert pilots at their helm and somehow runs into his ship that happens to be in a position he knows nothing about in foreign Klingon space? 5. No one knows the Dr. and Stamets live in the same quarters? 6. Lorca killed his entire crew so they would not be tortured and humiliated and that was OK with the admiralty? Well, I guess it saved them from being eaten too then and I am sure the other Capts. followed suit, not? 6. So the Discovery did not destroy the Klingon fighters (Why didn't they?... fighters are way easier than birds of prey no?) ... so if the spore jump drive was a secret... it sure as heck is not now. 7. Saru deducing that a lead Klingon fighter had to be Capt. Lorca instead of anyone else is just plane ridiculous.
+Sean McNamara I love Discovery and I'm part of a very large actual audience with the same opinion.
I love how the aliens, even the prothetic ones, look way better than the klingons in std :D I'll bet you will see more krill cosplays at trek con than new klingon ones
Moclan are gonna be huge in the gay community.
Klingons look fine in STD in my opinion but they are so frikin dull. Slow talking, annoying... i don't know... :S.
The ''Nu-Klingons'' in STD look like Uruk-Hai rejects,dressed in leftover costumes from the 80's Flash Gordon movie,who talk like they have an IQ like Forest Gump.
Way to fuck up one of the coolest alien races in the Star Trek universe.
lol i thought it was just me
McFarlane's comedy has always been 20 minutes of running off fume and repetitive. From family guy to Ted. But I have to say this show is AWESOME! Maybe Seth really feels passionate about this. Maybe family guy needs to stop.
He lost passion for Family Guy since Season 4. It's painfully apparent. He's been bobbling his passions between American Dad and his movies. Seth is a horrid multi tasker. But people still watch Family Guy so he just has lackeys write scripts for him. I think his focus is gonna be on Orville for a looong time.
The Orville deserves to be on TV. And we need it. We need the hopeful future shows. Now more than ever. ST Discovery? Has nothing for me. In fact I wish it was taken off TV. The characters, the storyline, everything about it is distopian and conflict. Characters that hate each other, argue, and are unsympathetic for the audience does nothing for us as a culture. We DONT NEED more division. We DONT NEED that reflected in our fantasies, our fiction or our mythos. Its tearing us apart. Drop it. LONG LIVE THE ORVILLE
Agreed by ep 3 this show really showed they can deal with some serious issues like old TNG did. This show just keeps getting better with every episode. Also think of the enterprise as the A+ students they are very proper and polite rarely do they screw around. The Orville crew are more the C students who party and do stupid sh@t and have a good time. Picard loved Shakespeare, Sisko loved baseball, Kirk old earth junk and what does the Orville's captain have on his desk. This won me over entirely. I also think the first seasons of everything after TOS have been pretty bad compared to the rest of their runs seasons 2-3 and they get in their grooves.
While Discovery has Star Trek licences and iconography, the Orville has Star Trek's soul.
That dude on the left looks like Riker from the next generation lol!
Riker (Frakes) directed the fifth episode of Orville
I actually thought "he could play a young Riker", lol. Even though he's probably the same age as Frakes was in the first season, lol.
You missed two others in that episode...
Executive Producer - Brannon Braga
Directed By - Jonathan Frakes
And of course Penny Johnson from DS9. :)
Dude I thought the same thing haha
The real question is this: Can he pull off The Riker Maneuver?
Isaac is my favorite.
Boyoftrick_90 you can't bind Isaac. Isaac binds the ladies.
For ppl that don't know Seth McFarlane went to CBS to pitch this show as a new star trek....they said no and went with what we got for discovery. Seth took his story and concept to fox and they said yes. He added parody into it to fall under fair use since it was essentially star trek. The amount of former star trek people working on Orville is amazing. I mean u had Commander riker direct ep 5 for example. From what I've read it seems the critics expected a space balls type parody show for star trek....they get it didn't go hard enough into the "family Guy" star trek that they seemed to wish it was....maybe they wanted a parody like when family Guy did star wars....but Seth is a huge star trek fan and he wanted to make a real star trek show for years, he is completely series in making a good star trek show, the parody is there for legal fair use reasons but it's not suppose to be like Spaceballs. They handle some serious issues and topics in the first 6 eps
Cross I did not know that thanks for the info
why would Seth have went to CBS with his long standing work with Fox like everything he has done has been threw Fox?
being a huge Star Trek fan doesn't make him a good actor or captain. He is neither funny nor sympathic, a real black hole of charisma.
Chingrobason Because CBS owns the IP
TheDarthVader77 Really though? Have you watched episode 6? Because quite frankly he showed more acting chops than I realised he had. Seth carried the episode tbh.
The orville surprised the hell out of me for it's seriousness. i really enjoyed the whole season. hope there'll be a lot more
I wish when the booger character went to shake the hot lady's hand, Seth stepped in and was like "Nope! Don't....thats um....thats not his hand." especially after in an earlier episode the nasty little spud implied it was his junk already.
Joe man you gotta let your Bros talk. Sorry I don't know his name yet but not other Joe - you cut him off and I feel bad for him. I wanna hear what he had to say :( also that intro man! Nice work
Also by the halfway point he looked bored and pissed off
TFW a Star Trek parody is better than the actual Star Trek discovery
The Orville is preferable to STD mainly because even though it's still got a fairly liberal viewpoint, it's more the centrist liberal viewpoint of the 60s-90s; it's mercifully free of the kind of insane modern "social justice" cult preaching that saturates STD, as well as nearly ever other product of the entertainment industry these days.
Also, just on its own terms, I think people like it because of the relatively small-scale focus on telling simple stories, with proper character development and a good ensemble cast. But the CGI can be impressive too at times - the big space battle in Season 2 was really rather good.
Even the wonky balance of humour and drama is sort of charming, you get used to it and eventually find it quite homely and comfortable, and the lameness of some of the jokes is part of the fun.
here are the Fox ratings - the Orville is in their top 2 or 3 shows - though in the last couple weeks - as more shows have premiered - they were probably Fox's 4th or 5th highest rated show......so not bad......even Fox's top show - consistently - Empire - only usually gets 5+ ,million viewers a week......
hellomcflyy this show and Lucifer are by far my two favorite Fox shows right now
God Save FireFly, please fox. oh its 2018! you done fucked up!
The Orville is a GREAT sci-fi entertainment show. GREAT blend of modernist humor mixed with future reality. LOVE it.
I hope it is like Galaxy Quest lol loved that movie growing up.
Oh, he mentioned it in the video! cool.
Couch Commander in my opinion i think orville is better than galaxy quest
SuperGamefreak18 Well I got childhood nostalgia for Galaxy Quest, still think it is one of the greatest parodies and I got to see it in theaters. That is cool that you think highly of this show. I got to check it out when I get the chance.
That was my feeling when I first sat down to watch it. It definitely met the bar vs galaxy quest in my opinion.
Couch Commander
It's not really all that much like Galaxy Quest but don't let this the deter you from giving it a shot.
The Orville is a hybrid of TOS and TNG. It has the simplicity and campiness of TOS and the beautiful aesthetics and positive , optimistic vision of TNG (and Voyager). Star Trek fans love the positive, optimistic vision of the future where humans have evolved beyond greed and hate, and have also evolved interpersonal relationships. This is where TNG excels, but the Orville is making a good attempt. Dark, pessimistic shows are a dime a dozen...they are almost every sci fi show now... they are boring and suck the life out of you. LOVE THE ORVILLE. ALSO, BRING BACK TNG!
The humour I like best is what sort of pokes holes into the perfect humanity that Star Trek: TNG presented. One moment the driver guys were complaining how bored they were scanning a new part of space where every single person on the Enterprise just loved nothing better than to explore and philosophize. This crew is still human even with the changes to technology and society. They can be brats. But they're still loyal and have good hearts. And the robot is a jerky version of Data. Not as interesting, but he does have the almost innocent arrogance that comes with perfection.
Please review season 3!
This show deserves a bigger spotlight.
You have the power Joe's and Alex! We come to you in our time of need
The disparity between the critics and the viewers is the difference between people who watch TV for their leisure and people who watch TV for a living.
Orville is the new Star Trek Imo. I'm calling it now, it's gonna be the Star Trek of a new generation. It's pretty good so far, it tries to establish a lore like old school Star Trek.
Why are people hating the show I've been watching it from beginning on Hulu and I think it's really good as well I think people nowadays are just so spoiled with entertainment
ShrewdREAPER i think it's the crazy religious, they have been bashing it since it likes to pick on it. Seth has been known to pick on religion though so it's not surprising.
The same reason Krill are killing humans. Its complicated.
I love Orville. I prefer it over Discovery by far !
Just popped in to check if they did a review for the entire season... nope!
Season 3 otw, and I'm loving the Orville more and more with each episode.
The critics HATE !!!! The Orville ??? Now, then the show is in good company. That had happened to Roddenberry´s original Star Trek as well :)
@كافر Krok O'dil كافر that's actually a good point i forgot Lucille Ball is what saved the show till you mentioned the fact Roddenberry 's ratings wasn't good.
Stargate SG1 also had ships that looked like toilets (the Ori Ships in season 10!!)
This show is fucking great.
After two seasons, please, another review/news about the Orville! Thanks in advance :-)
This is basically a rich guy's passion project, and I love it!
Love Orville right now. Even though some of the jokes go Kaput it is still really good and usually crap jokes are redeemed with good ones. For example in one episode they were watching Seinfeld and that was fuckin great. ST:TNG is my favorite Trek by far and this show closely follows the episode structure of TNG which I really like.
The reason why it follows the structure so well is that Seth basically got 50% of the writers and directors from TNG and DS9 on board. Hell Mr. Riker himself John Frakes the last time I checked directed 3 of these suckers.
orville is more like old Star Trek (philosophically)+ comedy witch is giving the story realistic dimension, ST Discovery is like new format
Even though I don't really like Seth or his humor, I do like the ST:TNG tone The Orville has, epscially since STD is all JJTrek "war war! action action!"
I've enjoyed Orville so far, it has heart.
kenchun24 and they use the timeframe as an excuse to make it generic action sci-fi
Update 2: The Orville is now really epic! Each Episode of season 3 looks like a movie. Just watch it!
I had zero interest in this because of MacFarlane, but holy hell I love this show. This is an amazing spiritual successor to star trek.
I'm really hoping its not just Orville and game of thrones I'm going to be seeing here,Lucifer anyone?
I like the Lucifer show, sometimes it bogs down with cringey mush, but it's a good crime show.
I love this show
I'm glad to see such a positive review for The Orville. I'm really enjoying the show and hope it gets renewed.
I am so glad that everything has turned around for this channel! Comments are positive, dislikes are down, and people are being civilised and letting joe do his thing! Thanks to everyone who stuck with him and thanks to Joe for pushing through!
It's been three years and we're still waiting on that season review
Beam me up Alex, I need a probing! :D
Well I'm binging DS9 again.
Back to the best.
KafkaIs Chaznable DS9 was one of my favorites as well. I like it better than TNG anyway.
KafkaIs Chaznable I've been doing the same. RAZORFIST sold me on rewatching it. I knew I loved it at the time (the characters are, by far, the best of any star trek series) but hadn't watched it in years.
KafkaIs Chaznable DS9 is my favorite Star Trek. Although I do think season 4 of enterprise is the best season of Star Trek ever made.
plain and simple Garak is the best.
Teeny Tiny Asakura 93 rule of acquisition clearly states that the honours should go to Quark (actually, I love them both)
It's like robot chicken's night crew.
Electric Druid with less alcohol.
The Orville is 10/10 in my opinion. Huge star trek fan, and this just feels right.
Orville is a fuckin great show.Real trek show,critics my ass just a bunch of bloggers self proclaimed experts
Orville is awesome
Love it! I'd like to see more of Lamar & the doctor
Angry Joes reviews are a bit crap anymore
Anyone that doesn't like the Orville just doesn't have a natural and normal sense of humor, those that don't like the show must have an engineered sense of humor, false and only good for being a professional critic.
Season 3 is halfway through airing now and it’s brilliant. Very surprised they haven’t returned to watch and review. It’s well worth a weekly talk
Other Joe is right. The Oooze guy is Jar jar.
What would Data say!
I LOVE the Orvill!
It can be fun but also serious!
And I like the crew!
What the critics fail to understand is that real life is a drama, but there is a lot of humor too. So the Orville creates (in some ways) a more realistic future than anyone in the past.
I absolutely love the Orville. Many similarities with voyager.
ive never seen the start trek before, i saw the orville and discovery and i enjoy both.
In a way I envy you because you are seeing STD with no expectations. The thing is though, if you ever do binge watch the shows at some point in the future, you will understand that STD is not Star Trek. It's a sci-fi show that slapped the Star Trek logo on it. Star Trek has also had an optimism that simply isn't shown on this show.
+Hayden Jones I've watched all incarnations of Trek and I love Discovery, and so do many, many others.
I have not yet met a star trek fan who actually likes discovery but I guess it is possible. As someone who grew up watching star trek tos, I despise STD it with all my heart. I absolutely love the orville!
+Cheshire Cat Guess you don't know many Star Trek fans.
fad1969 funny enough that's true! :) I know only five.
Omg I love this show!
I guess I have to start watching again. Watched the first episode, hated it, and stopped. This is encouraging though, so I might jump back in.
First episode is weakest of the bunch, i recommended to watch 1 or 2 more before making the judgement.
Each episode gets a little better than the last one. It's on Hulu if you have an account.
It gets better... and better. If you like TNG and sci-fi in general you will like Orville.
Don't get to put off by the comedy aspect. Part of it has to do with not getting sued. (Comedy Spoofs have more lead way,). If you pay more attention to the storyline and there crew interactions I think you will enjoy it. (Assuming you liked TNG and TOS)
I really didnt think Star Trek could work in the modern age, that kind of genteel hopeful vision of the future has sadly faded. But Orville found a way to make it work. The future is hopeful but the people in this show act like real people. They make inappropriate comments, they make jokes, they have affairs, they laugh they cry they sometimes dont get it right. And thats wonderful because it makes the audience CARE about the characters. Just like TNG it makes us want to go on an adventure with these characters.
Orville rocks! Good review. But I suspect you (and pretty much everyone else) has the Krill kid dynamic backwards. What I expect to happen is for one or a few of the Krill kids to start questioning the Krill dogma that only Krill matter (and have souls). Perhaps some start or join a resistance against the official Krill position, and something like a Krill inquisition comes after them for heresy. At that point perhaps the kid or kids or some of the resistance appear at earth and ask for asylum, which they easily get. But then Krill warships arrive and threaten to start an all-out war against earth unless the kids are returned (before or after asylum is granted). From that point on they would go in any of several directions.
Perhaps at the end they get a guarantee from the Krill not to harm the kids, but then as soon as the kids are delivered to the Krill they are instantly killed... perhaps while on-screen during communications to deliver a strong message to earth that "we do not tolerate you getting into our own business". Then perhaps the cliffhanger is their conversation that goes something like "we cannot tolerate this", "but this could become a huge war", "we can't just let them get away with this", "what are we doing to do?"... and fade out.
What would they do next season? Perhaps they'll create a parallel to something warlike in STD... but then resolve it in a minimally violent way the next season to rub the whole "we are the real Star Trek" into the faces of the writers of STD. That would be awesome!