Singapore 2023 by Sainz was a drive of the decade, holding off two very fast freshly medium compound rubbered Mercedes with a 7 time world champion in one and with fading old hard tires. It's easy to win when you have all cylinders firing for you in terms of either a fast car or a perfect strategy on a track the overtaking was difficult yet not impossible like Monaco and one which was asserted when both Mercedes breezed past Lerclerc so very easily. Yet Sainz pulled of a win despite of being at a certain defeatable position, which was down to his ingenius ability to chess it out with faster mercs on new rubber by giving DRS to the second place man on crucial parts of the circuit, such confidence, such sightedness, such ability has made Carlos the stuff of Legends. Singapore 2023 will forever be spoken. Wow.
Sainz is just driving so smart, i feel like he has an overview of the whole race and everyones strategies and decides during the race how to act / react. Sometimes it feels like he doesnt need a racing engineer
- First start with Torro Rosso. in a very unlucky season, Sainz proves to be competitive against his teammate, Max - gets sent to Renault with less confidence after being passed over for the Red Bull gig - less confidence after being dropped by Renault for Danny Ric - joins Mclaren, one of the worst teams on the grid - in two years, Mclaren jumps several places in the constructors standings. Beats Lando both years, with 2020 as the year the team supports/treats Lando as the future of the team - joins Ferrari with expectation of being the #2 driver and several fans disappointed he replaced Vettel - beats Leclerc (points and podiums). Ferrari bounces back from an awful 2020 season. Culture at Ferrari is obviously changed. Gino Rosato says Sainz “lit a fire under all of us.” Also, finishes every race and easily that years most reliable driver. - struggles and adapts to a different driving style after the new regs in 22 (something Danny Ric couldn’t do in 2 years). Gets first win and 3 (technically 2) pole positions I see Carlos as a driver who gets challenged and downplayed every year. He’s smart, capable, and is ever improving. I feel that Charles and his supporters lean heavily on his talent, which at some point will be eclipsed by Sainz’s experience matched with a competitive car he is comfortable with
People seem to forget/overlook that Sainz finished ahead of Leclerc in his first season at Ferrari(2021). It was close and came down to that last race, but he pulled it off. While Charles seems to be the more exciting driver, Sainz tends to be the more consistent driver. Leclerc definitely took charge the next season, but was ultimately let down by the car (3 retirements one of which was an accident) and bad strategy calls. Carlos also suffered 6 retirements (2 were self inflicted, 2 were car failure and the other 2 he was crashed into). This season still shows Sainz as the more consistent driver, failing to score points in one race and retiring in only one race so far, Charles has had 3 retirements (2 car issues and one collision) and one out of points finish, yet they are not too far from each other. I don't think a number one position is warranted at Ferrari yet.
@@mamavswild If he can somehow up his pure pace imo he should be the #1 driver. Because he will always be able to be consistent and get the maximum points that ferrari can achieve no matter what terrible situation they are in.
2021 leclerc had 2 dnf and bad strategy in Russia and Abu Dhabi that is why hd finished 5 points behind in 2021 and yet leclerc beaten sainz 14-8 in quali and race
This is absolute rubbish. The only reason Sainz beat Leclerc in 2021 is because Leclerc had 2 DNF’s that weren’t his fault, and this year Leclerc has had 3 DNF’s that weren’t his fault. Without them, he’d have beaten Sainz in all 3 years. If it comes down to a championship fight, Leclerc is the one that needs to be prioritised and that’s the end of the story.
I don't think that Charles can keep his head as cool as Carlos can. He might have the raw speed, but I just don't think he could handle the pressure. He has crashed out all by himself too often, and when the fight is close he could very well bottle it. Sainz's win in Singapore proved to me that he is just such a good driver, telling the team what he wants with strategy and having Lando in his DRS etc. Charles is the faster of the two for sure, but idk if he could do it
@@PetruStefan25eh no, Leclerc would have try to pull away instead of giving Norris DRS. The Mercs would have easly overtaken Norris and then the same with Leclerc (well, he would have put up a fight to try to maintain P1 but he would have failed).
To me it´s really clear. The best version of Sainz is barely beating Leclerc in probably his worst season in Ferrari. Don´t get me wrong, I´ll take Sainz over Checo every day of the week as a second driver, but Charles is just something else. Not quite something else like Lewis, Max or Fernando yet, but he´s still in a different league
Leclerc would have to become way more consistent and able to handle the pressure for him to have a chance at the championship. Otherwise, he'll never make it.
Well, carlos awareness and intuition to make the right call are not something anyone can train to become better off overnight. At this point does it really matter who is No. 1? As you pointed out. This chassis fits carlos “better” if thats the case, why not him being number one? Even if Charles is more talented, he does relie way too much on Ferraris calls despite the fact that most of the time they do not work
@@rickyricardo2006tha car suits carlos more bevause Carlos pushed Ferrari to make changes to the car according to his driving style after the summer break so charles has to adapt
@@best___0999 That’s not carlos fault. Thats a Charles issue. What did you think Lewis did when mclaren wasn’t performing? He left. What happened after renault stopped winning? Alonso left. This is a personality trait from Charles. He is not a risk taker. Winners are risk takers. Even though carlos is in theory the No.2 driver, he is delivering left and right like a real champion. And again, even though carlos might not be as “fast” as Charles, he has the edge when it comes to making fast decisions. Carlos has demonstrated time and time again that he has a high understanding of everything that goes beyond the driving aspect.
sainz really reminds me of DC. he’s a really solid driver who has speed. They both beaten their faster teammate in seasons where the car wasn’t challenging for the championship, but the second a championship winning car is on the table, they get demolished by their teammate.
Both are amazing in their own right. However, when you say at 5:03 that with Sainz "we haven't seem that yet", last year we've seen how LeClerc copes with pressure (when Ferrari still had a championship contender car). He's fast, make no mistake. However, the thing I believe is they're just attuned to different car handling characteristics; and if Ferrari has to go a certain development path while not prioritising Charles or Carlos, then so be it. One of them will shine a bit more. I think it's unfair to downplay Sainz' capacity when he's not had the car he's attuned to more. Doesn't make one better or worse than the other. Both got extremely good race craft and in that respect they're on par with Mercedes. PS: a Merc fanboy, mind you that, and would love to see Ferrari stay at the top making every year a new 2012.
@@Crono454While some people exagerate, I do think they have different strenghts. Charles is more "raw" faster and more impressive although still making mistakes, but on the track Carlos is better able to take advantage of track conditions, strategy and other cars, and while he also crashes he can be more consistent but less impressive. If I could compare them to other drivers, whitout saying they are as good as them, I'd say they are akin to the Senna/Prost pairing.
@@Crono454wtf bro last year Ferrari fucked Charles I’m Baku Spain Monaco Hungary silverstone whilst redbull made 0 misyake for max same for lewis, lewis ane max always complain when their team make a mistake but redbull and merc rarely merc make a mistake unlike Ferrari
Agree with the comments above. Actually 2022 proved Leclerc cannot handle the pressure of a title fight. And again in 2023 he made a few costly errors. Yes he is pushing the car closer to the limit, so his raw pace is very promising. But his racecraft and handling pressure skills are subpar to Sainz. Sorry to say it but I don’t recon Leclerc as wdc material anymore. But similar to Russell. This year Hamilton really shows who he is, last year the 2021 outcome played a mental role. I am sure of that. Russell also making mistakes that do not fit wdc driver material (Canada, quali Spain, Singapore). If the 2024 cars are closer matcht a potential title fight will be between Verstappen, Alonso and Hamilton
The issue with the whole sainz over leclerc argument is when sainz has a bad quali day, he can easily be over half a second off leclerc or more (Baku). When leclerc has a “bad” day he’s a tenth off. (Monza and Singapore)
I think they should make the fastest car they can make and let the drivers sort it out. No, but in earnest, I love Carlos, but I think that if Leclerc keeps developing his racecraft like Max has, then Charles is the driver to build around. But I do think Ferrari should build a car that's more consistent, with higher floors and lower ceilings, rather than building a streaky, inconsistent car. And I think that kind of car would favor Carlos.
If I was Vassuer I’d prioritize the team then the drivers. So if one must be sacrificed for the win then so be it. But if there’s a big enough gap to the rest then fight as much as they want just don’t crash.
This is maybe a theory, is Carlos better at handling an unpredictable car that isn’t as quick as the car that can be more predictable and Charles can extract more out of the predictable car?
@@mamavswildless mistake prone becuase hd doesnr push the car over the limit moreover Ferrari built the car to suit sainz driving style more as said by Carlos himself so charles has to adapt
I think you have it all backwards. Lec prefer a strong front end that makes the car more prone to oversteer(like Max). That car probably doesn't have more front wing that wouldn't make much sence, that car setting probably has less rear wing. Less rear wing makes you faster in straight line, think drs, more probe to oversteer in corner and much more unstable in corner entry giving you much more work to do. These kind of car seem to be exploited by drivers with great talent like Verstapen and Charles. In theory and in pass years for Charles and ferrari these cars where much faster, while being harder to drive, think the amount of time Sebastien lost the rear of the ferrari! The other end of the setting is as this one is a understeering car, with probably more rear wing and drag... also to note there is much more to this then rear wing and front wing, there is suspention setting like toe, camber etc, the floor and it's venturi effect and others... so this understeering car has "technically less speed potential the a strong front end car, cause well it has more resr end down force and drag... witch really dont make sence why it is faster, or does it? Well a car with more rear end, will be more predictable less on the edge in corners, more stable in wet weather.it will be able to be thrown in corner harder with less risk of loosing the rear... but slower in top speed.... So why is it working for ferrari and Saints? I dont truly know but here is what I think: Biggest thing is lap consistency on 2 front. One the laps are more predictable and repeatable but two and most importantly the Ferrari at the start of the season was probably alogne with the Hass the hardest on tire degradation and thus set up change probably provide much relief to the rear tires. That more then likely translate into a slowest top speed but a more predictable lap that brings less heat and degradation to the tires true out the race! This should mean a care very vulnerable on the straights, but DRS helps alot with that. So to get back to Carlos and Charles. Carlos being more confortable with this set up got up to speed alot faster with this new set up and Charles is finding himself trying to change is driving style to maximize this set up. Now I do think an oversteering car should be harder to drive then an understeering car but it is a different driving style to master.
The car is very understeery suiting Sainz’s driving style, even when the rb18 was slightly understeery at the beginning of 2022, max wasn’t completely comfortable with the car
@@mikasr.5 no need to be rude and it’s easy to understand what the commenter meant if you open your eyes..:he’s simply saying Ferrari is developing the fastest car that THEY can, not in comparison to Red Bull, who understandably aren’t sharing with Ferrari how they got the RB19 to its dominating state.
The disrespect to Carlos is crazy. Lile what the fuck has Charles actually proved? Absolutely nothing. There’s a reason Lewis is the implicit number one driver, he’s a WC. The situation in MB isn’t comparable to the one in Ferrari.
Leclerc and Sainz have different driving styles. So the way the car is being developed will be probably the big factor. If both get a car that suits their style, i think Leclerc would be the faster driver of the two. But (taking that scenario) if they're fighting for a championship, then i think Sainz will be the better driver.
If he reaches his full potential, Leclerc's natural speed elevates him to the top table and above Carlos, however, Sainz, even if operating consistantly at a fraction (and I mean small margines) below that whilst bringing everything else he brings to the team is a dream. If push came to shove I'd back Leclerc but I would never undervalue what Sainz brings and I would bend over backwards to keep them both onboard.
The real solution is to give Leclerc to RB and Perez to Ferrari and then just make it so that the RB is pointy and the Ferrari is understeery. Two teams with capable drivers who have a car fit to their liking
@@EntropicExergyhe wont need to, he has already shown he can beat max in cars with equal performance. But yeah, red bull wont want 2 drivers fighting.
@@askeladden450 That is the only way Leclerc will ever go to RB while Max is still there. He hasn't beaten Max at all, Max beat him, if you paid attention last season. He has only shown he can't handle the stress that comes with fighting for a championship, Leclerc buckled under said stress and made plenty of mistakes.
@@EntropicExergy did u watch the early part of 2022 when both had roughly equal cars? He made max look clueless and making all sorts of mistakes like in bahrain, spain and hungary, singapore. Fortunately, ferrari was there to help max. We also saw in 2021 how max was messing up so badly in later races when lewis was catching upto him. Thankfully, masi was there to help him too.
@@askeladden450 Since i have been watching for years now, there is no reason for that question. Aside from 2022, you clearly haven't watched 2021 either. Clueless, mistakes? Ha, i wouldn't call those DNF's Max had mistakes, there was nothing Max could do about them. No, Max had next to no mistakes and the incredibly rare one he did have (spin in Hungary), he took care of himself. On the other hand Leclerc had a near crash in Imola and an unforced crash in France, typical mistakes you can't have when fighting Max. Since the cars were nearly equal (ferrari was even a bit better at that point in the season), it was obvious Leclerc couldn't handle the pressure of fighting for a championship, Leclerc just isn't championship material. Lulu was the one with all the rookie mistakes back in 2021, where the Baku break magic was the most blatant example. In that season Max again had next to no errors in his driving. It was lulu who received all the help from the stewards at races pretty much all season long. If it wasn't for those stewards and their ridiculously biased decision, Max would have been champion multiple races before the end. Masi simply got sick of all the BS those stewards pulled, so he just made the final race finish under a green flag. Courtesy of merc lobbying for that change after Spa that season. Justice was served that day, the right man who deserved it won the championship in 2021. You seem to dislike the fact that Max is vastly better thahn either lulu or merc. That is a you problem, something you have to deal with in some way.
There's no doubt Ferrari is going Leclerc’s way, this year it’s been about adjusting Vasseur in the team and finding new peoples to develop the car, Vasseur already said he wants to win with Charles and work with Carlos. I know Charles can't be a second to anyone so he won't go nowhere else, his position is secure in Ferrari, is just that Carlos has done such a good job and give a hell of a fight that this conversation keeps coming back, Singapure and Monza will be good cards for him to negotiate his contract, with the car going Leclerc's way he knows is up to him to catch up or give a good run for his money to Charles
The whole discussion on Charles vs Carlos is just so dumb. Charles was P2 in the WDC and ahead of Sainz by a LOT of points. A bad day for Charles he's one or two tenths behind Carlos, a bad day for Carlos and he's four, five tenths behind. It's just insane that people pretend that's a conversation to be had when both Mercedes and RB would do crazy things to get Charles in their car while Carlos was never an option for them in the past years. If you see the detailed H2H in 2021 you see Charles better in race finishes (14 to 8), Charles better in qualy pace (13 to 9) and Charles better in race pace, Charles finished 5 points behind because he's engine cost him a win in Silverstone and because Bottas hit half the grid like a wrecking ball in Hungary. I could even say Ferrari not checking the car right in Monaco cost Charles another win but I think that's too rich, imo. If you compare the H2H across three seasons Charles has a really good advantage in all the stuff I've previously mentioned, and that's not highlighting the wins and podiums he lost by engine or mechanical failure. Therefore, unless you think that Carlos has some magical aura that makes hin more lucky or something (the truth is that he has some DNFs he just isn't quick enough to be losing big points because of them - other than in Austria GP last season) I don't know how you can look at the data, the results and the talent being displayed and come to the conclusion that there's a discussion to be made.
3 race stint out of the last 30+ races where he has been better and we've already hit the "carlos sainz no 1 driver" nonsense. Did he suddenly turn into prime Alonso? Ferrari have made it clear they don't want a no 1 driver either, depsite it probably being the better option. Did we have this discussion at the start of the season with Perez? or with Russell last season? The standard Charles gets held to is very complimentary on the one hand and also extremely disrespectful on the other just how quickly people forget how good he is. The gap between them is almost negligible with Sainz having his best season ever? look at the gaps when Charles has a car to his liking. It is literally the exact same thing happening at Red Bull, once Max gets the car he wants the gap grows exponentionally. Ferrari's goal should be to build a fast car, regardless of who it may suit. Sure the faster driver being more comfortable will yield better results. At the end of the day, neither Charles or Carlos deserve to be 2nd drivers, I think they are both talented enough to be considered lead drivers, just not in the same team. This means at the end of the contract period the only loser in this situation will be Ferrari.
@@MajesticDemonLordmind you in 2021 Charles was ahead in qualifying 13-9 and in races 14-8. If you’d watched that season instead of just looking at points you’d know Sainz had incredible luck that year while Leclerc’s was horrific (in Hungary, Russia, Turkey, etc.)
I mean sometimes pure/raw speed isn't everything. You can have drivers like Magnussen with an insane sense of grip and speed but unfortunately they lack the rest of the pack. While obviously it's not the case for Leclerc, I've come to think that maybe he's not so many leagues ahead of Sainz, as it was thought to be once. Sainz, while being maybe a notch down in racecraft, seems to be equally as good if not better in everything else.
Could you make a video about the whole driver roster and which kind of car they prefer to drive? Like Sainz, with more understeer and LeClerc with more oversteer. What i ask myself is that the teams know what a driver likes to drive right? So why then are teammates more often then not recruited to the team with the opposite preferences of each other?
I think that Sainz is more consistent, he doesn’t make silly mistakes like Charles, who pretty much fluffed up his own chances at a WDC. Ferrari need to rely on a fantastic car, not just rely on RBs having bad luck
ppl are overrating sainz too much. If you had a choice to choose only one driver in your team, lets be real it would be leclerc. Sainz doesn't have the raw pace. sure he can pace himself all he wants, it only helps in street circuits where overtaking is worse. If ferrari still extend his contract, it will only hinder leclercs career as they both have opposite driving styles. One of them will always be performing better than the other by what side the car development will go.
I think peaple overlook the reallity, because after sainz did beat leclerc in Monza by 0.0X and Singapur by 0.0X too, they say "Ah, Sainz is better,..." but when Leclerc beat Sainz like in Japan by over 0.3 they don't say anything about it.
When the car suited Leclerc, he was miles away from Carlos, but when the car suits Sianz, Leclerc is only milliseconds behind. Shows the capability of the drivers. Leclerc should be number 1 in my opinion.
@@cayden2744In those Dnfs excepting Austria Sainz would've never even get a podium, Charles in his Dnfs lost comfortable wins like Spain and Baku where Sainz was nowhere.
@@PetruStefan25 Bruh what?? He started on pole in Austin and got taken out on turn 1 would easily gotten the podium. Got taken out by Danny ric at imola. Would have a podium or minimum 4th place. Similar the case with baku.
@@godfather2084 Would have been P4 easily in all of those Races, meanwhile Leclerc lost 5 clear wins because of brainless strategies and engine failures
@@ISirSmokein a car that suits only carlos and with Leclerc having multiple DNF’s that weren’t his fault. Carlos has beaten Charles through superior luck, not superior skill.
@@dannylagangonzalez6832 There's no such thing as superior luck, Carlos just doesn't find the walls like Leclerc does. In 2022 Sainz had 6 DNF and 4 weren't his fault, Leclerc had the "superior luck" there, other than that Carlos is 2 - 1. Carlos is beating Leclerc all season (2023), the car is only more suitable for him now after the summerbreak, so Carlos was already "narrowly" beating Leclerc even when the car didn't suit him. No point on being fast if you don't bring it to the points.
@@cayden2744Firstly the season hasn’t end yet so there’s still no a 2-1. And second the car has understeers all year, just that it took Carlos till summer break to get used to it, there you have your posible championship contender. Also, Carlos doesn’t find the walls cause he does not push the car to the limits, he’s consistent but there’s nothing more.
I don't completely agree on the Carlos v Charles comparison. Carlos shows an insane amount of situational awareness. Certainly when he knows he's not the fastest in the moment. Charles pretty much has nothing to fall back on if the raw speed is on holiday. Weak defender and still too many errors. Charles is one of the few that should be capable of driving the RB19, but that's not enough to get anywhere.
After the last three races, I started to think this, but upon hearing that the car has been directed away from Charles’ driving style, and thinking about just how much Leclerc beat Sainz last year, really I think if Ferrari come out with a championship worthy car, it will be Charles winning the championship
@@gelingarcia that’s the thing when Carlos beats Leclerc it’s by the absolute smallest of margins, whether that be in qualifying, the race or a championship, but when Charles beach Carlos, it’s by big margins.
@@KKSky369 yeah like I said, I used to think that Carlos was a better championship prospect then Charles, but Charles can beat Max in a straight to fight, I doubt that Carlos can
It's interesting how after good 3 races from Sainz people start asking this kind of questions, while last year when Leclerc was so far ahead of Carlos that this was not even a discussion. This car has been developed with Carlos's driving style in mind, at least this is what Sainz senior said back in November 2022. I'm still not convinced Carlos will beat Leclerc this year. We'll see.
There really isn’t a question to be had here. Sainz has only beaten Leclerc in 2 of the 3 years due to having a car that suits only him, and Leclerc having multiple DNF’s that weren’t his fault. Leclerc should be the one getting priority and car development, if that happens, Ferrari will score far more points than they do now, especially in a championship fight. In a championship fight, Sainz will be no where near, Leclerc is their only hope. Let’s also not forget that Sainz has been very mid all season until Monza, in a car that suited him more, whereas Leclerc got 3 podiums and 3 pole positions by that time.
Both are equally good drivers. It depends of the car and how it suit their driving styles. Last year the car suited more Charles, the current car suits more Carlos. In my opinion with the last few races Carlos is demonstrating that he can be really fast (having two poles in a row) and that he handles pressure well (fighting in monza with Charles and giving DRS to Lando). I think Carlos has stepped up his game and has shown that with the right car he can also be a championship contender. If ferrari make a good car they will have to decide quickly who they want to prioritise or they will have a problem. I think they will prioritise Leclerc due to the relationship he had in the past with Vasseur and due to the fact that his manager is Nicolas Todt (Jean Todt's son) that also has a racing team in junior formulas with Vasseur (ART Grand Prix). I mean Leclerc has better relationships to be chosen as the number 1. Let's see what the future tells us about this two amazing drivers!!
I've always rooted for Carlos. Being the son of a legendary driver is a tough place to be, especially when you share his name. I'm biased in favor of Carlos, but logically, I think it's far too early to make a call. Whether he wins a championship (if only), becomes a team leader, or ends his career with just the title of race winner, which is quite the accomplishment in and of itself, it's wonderful to see him enjoy success, praise, and recognition.
No. The dude is marginal better for some races and he is suddenly No1? Leclerc is the best qualifier out there on the whole grid and if it wasnt for his mistakes, the title fight last year wouldve been so close
When Sainz beat Leclerc is for few points, when Leclerc beats Sainz is for a mileage of points. This tells me that Leclerc's peak is way above Sainz Peak.
Carlos is more consistent, makes less mistakes and isn’t scared to challenge strategy when needed. Leclerc’s raw speed is unmatched and the mistakes he makes come from him pushing the car to the absolute limit, but you can’t win on speed alone, everything has to come together and you have to be smart about it. It just depends on who gets his shit together first.
I think people overrate Sainz saying he is same level as Norris Leclerc Russell, I’m a car he is comfortable leclerc was only 0.07s behind, think how ahead leclerc is in an oversteeery car he is comfortable
not really, people forget the wonders he used to do in his first year in F1 and when ferrari were competitive, i wont defend and say he hasnt made mistakes, especially bad ones, but he definitely isnt overrated, especially because he isnt that far behind in the standings and sainz has only been finding his feet in the last 3 races
Uhhhh have you not watched this season….like at all? This is the best year of Carlos’ career (and the worst of Charles’) and despite this Leclerc is only 19 points behind mainly due to being robbed of a podium in Bahrain due to an engine failure - all this in a car that doesn’t suit him mind you. But yes keep focusing on how “mistake prone” he is while ignoring all the unforced errors Sainz, Norris and Russell make 🤔
Overestimation comes from not setting the right expectations. Charles has been phenomenal throughout all his career. This current form is consequence of a series of politics and his over politeness... when Max car the car out of his hand, he made the team certain that they got that fixed. Carlos had the car on his driven and now is "outperforming" Leclerc with 0.1 margins.. when Charles had the car closer to him the gap got as big as 0.9 secs. This is a good chance for Charles to show that he can adapt... let's wait for the next races...
Leclerc is clear of Sainz. He is faster and better. But he overdrives to often by tyring everything. Carlos is more calculated. I love them both but Charles is without a doubt the stronger driver
Also u mentioned that leclerc helped carlos with alternate strategy in singapore . But carlos has done it many times last year for charles when he was in championship challenge
JUST after suzuka, after charles fuckign sacrificed himself for sainz to win, sainz said he is not happy with strategy that let leclerc finish ahaed of him LOL
Carlos is better for consistency Leclerc is good at getting better results but I have to give it to sainz because hat he done this year and 2 years ago is incredible
He didnt do it 2 years ago. He should have got demolished by leclerc who had a almost guarunteed win taken in monaco because Ferrari didnt check both sides of the car, he lost a very likley podium in hungary due to bowling and got left out to dry in russia. And this year, if it were not for losing the bahrain podium and the 10 place penalty in saudi, he would be just a couple of points behind
@@dylanburston7453 Wait so Carlos didn't earn the 4 podiums he got that year? Some may have come at the expense of Charles (not Sainz's fault), but the same bad luck was leveled at Carlos the following year with twice as many retirements as Leclerc (6 vs 3). Like the one at the Austrian GP that was a sure 1-2 for Ferrari, but his engine caught on fire right as he was about to pass Verstappen. Both drivers have had their rash of bad luck/misfortune.
@@lazarushernandez5827 When did i say that carlos didnt deserve what he achieved? All im saying is that Charles outperformed him and didnt get what his performances deserved. the 6 v 3 stat is misleading.2 of them were his fault, Japan and Australia. He got punted of by ricado and imola, which was 6 points. His engine blew in baku and austria, which were both 2nd/probable 2nd 18 points each thats 36 points. took out by osama in russel in cota, looking like a probable podium lets say 15 points. In total, Carlos lost 57 points outside of his control. Charles lost 25 points in both spain and baku, his engine blowing from the lead. Thats 50. He dropped from a guaranteed win to 4th in monaco because Ferrari were clowns, thats 13 points. Ferrari didnt pit him under SC in silverstone (which got carlos his first win) which cost charles 13 points as well. All in all, thats 76 points. And both of them lost about the same amount of points in the last stretch to bad pitstops and strategey. Even in the year where he had twice as many retirements, he still lost less points due to reliability/other drivers/Ferrari
While yes carlos is doing amazing,i think its the tracks that make it more close and the car setup knowledge makes the difference,wait till u see in suzuka Leclerc being 0.500 faster than sainz on pure speed
One thing fans ignore is how the car balance impacts a driver. You may have a good car, but if the balance does not match your driving style, you will not get all the car can give.
What’s important to consider here is the fact that Ferrari is launching a brand new (RedBull) concept for 2024. This season is a wash as they’re running the wrong concept. There’s no real development path they can chase. I feel this uptick in form for Sainz compared to Leclerc is due to the car being developed to perform well in monza. Whatever they did there fits sainz that bit better and honestly it looks like Leclerc is chilling now.
I was reminded of a dialogue from the movie “Rush” Niki tells James he might win a race or two but over the course of the season, Niki would be champion. I feel like yes, Charles will be the headline grabbing driver but Sainz will come out on top in a championship battle. But only just.
I think the championship pressure is too much for Carlos to handle, like we saw in 2022, and now with him being expected to keep the good run of form, and ending up being knocked out in q2
literally the definition of recency bias. carlos had a great race and finally got his first 'REAL' f1 victory. When he does it while being chased by Hamilton or Max all race, then it will be a lot more impressive than a race where Max started 11th, and LeClerc and Lando played the part of rear gunner the whole race. I'm not saying it wasn't a great drive, just saying that LeClerc has won some epic races so far, gotten pole positions in the tractor 2020/21 cars, etc...
You build the car around it's outright speed. It's up to the drivers to decipher how the car generates that speed, and how to get closest to the cars full potential.
Sainz should stay at Ferrari. Even though they often operate like chickens without a head they still have the 2nd or so fastest car. Remember Alonso leaving Ferrari for McLaren Honda or how Toyota spent over 400 million but didn’t perform any better than Apine. Audi has a big name but that doesn’t mean instant success.
Theyre close to equal but for different reasons. Leclerc is definitely faster in 1 lap pace but he doesnt cope that well under pressure. Sainz is slower but he's quite a bit more consistent and handles pressure quite well, seems like the years at Red Bull paid off haha. But yeah, i dont think there should be a #1 driver at Ferrari, Carlos and Charles are both incredible, but they both have differing reasons as to why.
it all goes down on who's feedback the car was built and developed. it looks like the 2022 was for leclerc, while 2023 was much more into sainz driving style.
I think Sainz knows the limit of the car and he doesnt want to go beyond that limit unlike Leclerc who wants to push beyond that limit to get 110% from the car
Ferrari should develop the car around Carlos because he is a driver who can fight for championship for long enough. I don't think you know this but Last year Singapore Charles lost the win because he was overworking the tyres to overtake Perez on track when there was a chance of a penalty. If he had listened to the team and used his brain he should have won the race easily. Carlos has the ability to lead the team which Charles just doesn't have. The fact you hear Inside the Ferrari Carlos spent X amount of time with engineers in marnelllo also puts more trust in the team that Carlos is there. Let's not forget Carlos is also currently more powerful than Charles at Ferrari because Charles is John Elkan's pitch while Carlos is now recently pick by Fiat. Not sure if you have followed Ferrari or not but John elkan has always been a puppet so politically Carlos is also stronger.
Why? The one time they gave Leclerc a championship contending car, he finished P2 despite Ferrari pissing away more than 100 points and he made 3 mistakes all year. Carlos finished P5, made far more mistakes and was routinely eaten by Leclerc. Sainz puts two decent weekends together (where Leclerc was still within a tenth of him) and hes suddenly the number one after being pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons
@@dylanburston7453"Pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons"... wtf??? IIRC in 2021, his "rookie" season at Ferrari, Carlito quite handsomely trashed "Kamikaze Charlie". On a side note, he also trashed Leclerc while driving a Renault and a McLaren. Get real, buddy. ;)
.@@aoife1122 Leclerc would have beaten him by 30 plus points. He lost a guaranteed win in monaco because Ferrari didnt check his car, he lost a win in Silverstone because his engine kept cutting out, he lost a likley podium in Hungary in the bowling alley, and he dropped from 4th to out of the points with 3 laps to go because Ferrari left him out to dry. He beat Carlos 14-8 in the races, and should have outscored him massively, but Carlos beat him by a handful of points because his season went perfect, no reliability and he didnt get taken out by anyone. In 2018, the Renault was the 4th best car and the Sauber 7th, and charles was a rookie. The 2020 Ferrari was a underpowered shitbox, the 6th fastest car and the Mclaren was the 3rd fastest. Even then Carlos only scored 7 more points in a car that was far better and more reliable as well. Funny you dont mention how in 2019 leclerc outscored Carlos by 150 points. Yeah, his car was faster but that clearly didnt matter to you, as long as it supports your "argument"
@@aoife1122 beating leclerc when leclerc drove a slow ass sauber and the disasterclass 2020 ferrari? yeah whatever buddy. that's why leclerc absolutely trashed carlos by a massive 62 points. lets see if sainz could beat leclerc this year by even half of that.
@@dylanburston7453 So Leclerc "lost a guaranteed win" in Monaco because Ferrari "f*cked up"??? 🤣🤣 Must I remind you that it was none other than himself who smashed the bloody car into the barrier? And I highly doubt that Ferrari "didn't check" the car, this was more likely a choice between "she may or may not hold up" or "start from the pitlane after changing the gearbox in parc fermé", "what's it gonna be boy?" And over the five seasons Sainz and Leclerc spent together in Formula 1 the score so far is 3:2 in Sainz's favour. It is therefore mathematically impossible that he was "pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons" by Leclerc as you have erroneously claimed... and this season doesn't seem to be favouring Leclerc either, so far.
Leclerc had awfull luck, and would have won y 30+ points if they checked the car in Monaco, He got taken out by the bowling in hungary, he got left out to dry in russia, and he lost a win in Silverstone because of Lewis lenient penalty and his engine kept cutting out
Afraid nobody was going to talk about it. Carlos has been better than, Quali God, Charles LeChlerc this whole year. Carlos has heen hella consistent this whole year, but absolutely exploded since the summer break.
especially the strategy calls. Leclerc should've done what Sainz did (dictate strategy call on track). If Leclerc didn't start to do that, he screwed basically
Glad you left a question for us because my view on this is really extense. I remember that in 2021 Sainz outscored Charles, I think that’s something that sometimes we tend to allow not to mention because the ground effect era well, started in 2022. Its like the 2013 Lewis-Nico season at Merc, its forgotten. My point with that is that Sainz outscored Leclerc in his debut season as a Ferrari driver, in early 2022 he had that bad run early on that pretty much meant he got four races into a 22 races season assigned the number two role. The main reason that happened was because if I’m not mistaken Charles won 3 out of the first 4 races. Sainz two DNFs… you do the maths. I feel after that bad start in 2022 Sainz matured a lot, Charles is younger than Carlos and even if he was the one battling Max, I still feel he (naturally) is maturing. His main mistake imo was Paul Ricard, he had 0 pressure and he fucked it. F1 has a lot of ifs moments but I really feel that with that 2021 debut Ferrari campaign and how he is doing after that early 2022 bad patch, I feel naturally Sainz and Leclerc should be equal. I remember Silverstone in 2022, “stop inventing” when Ferrari asked Carlos to stay 10 car lengths of Leclerc in the SC relaunch, Sainz was technically leading, Leclerc got lucky to be in that position because of the SC but that message even though Ferrari backed out of it as they realized they were going to let Hamilton win if they did that sent in my eyes the message that Carlos was number 2… even if he ended up winning the race and having them reverse the decision, it made 0 sense to favour Charles in that moment, so I felt it was like a sign he was their priority. My take would be, renew both till 2025, one more year, and have them on a Jorge Martin vs Enea Bastianini last year for the factory Ducati seat in MotoGP but instead for who gets renewed as the number 1. “No brainer” as you said to renew both but yeah. As for 2024, the driver that is leading in Hungary (or summer break) if its a sustainable lead, go all in with that one for the Championship. Slayy
I think the biggest dilemma in Ferrari right now is that they have both drivers that are capable to win the championship but have a differing car balance preferences to the extreme, one of them gonna ended up being a scapegoat no matter how much they try to be neutral in car development. We saw this in 2014 already with Fernando & Kimi.
The longer the streak without a championship goes on the more the pressure rises the next time Ferrari are in a championship battle. Not many people can handle the pressure that comes with that Vettel started to make mistakes and he was a 4 time world champion when he joined.
Ferrari should build a fast car and whoever is faster in the weekend , gets the priority. Both are capable of being a lead driver when fast. Problem with Charles is that we've been seeing more and more mistakes creep in when hes under pressure. the 2021 season where he was making some "ambitious" dive bombs and such are another example where we dont really see a controlled - thread in the needle kind of performance from Charles. When it comes to who is better, depending on whether the car is consistent with more understeer, or consistent with more oversteer is probably what will determine who will be outright faster. But if I have to choose a driver who will be more consistent, it will be Sainz. I also think Sainz has more capacity to adapt to cars that dont suit his driving style than Charles does. Now, if Charles is able to develop into a consistent driver and show us that he can be in control, it will be hard for Sainz.
Ferrari has the best pairing they could've had at the moment, and they better not screw this up like they usually tend to... this is not a situation like when they hired former title winners like Schumacher, Kimi, Alonso and Vettel, they have drivers that they have a relationship to develop with and they need to manage the drivers, not the drivers to manage the team like before
I think the few thenths difference in cars comes when a car is designed for a driver. RBR has figured it out and have a car designed for one driver. I think mervedes, mclaren, amr and Ferrari need to do the same to beat rbr unless FIA changes rules.
Ultimately Sainz may not be the better driver but he is the better Ferrari driver. Leclerc has too much faith in the team and truly doesn't really think long term into his race. But for a team constantly making mistakes, Ferrari need a Sainz to mask some of these issues.
Its scary how inconsistently this is judged. The margins that Leclerc has over Sainz is HUGE. Plus the qualy, race and points head2head ALL since they were teammates are in Charles' favour. So what are we talking about Charles is faster and better
Singapore 2023 by Sainz was a drive of the decade, holding off two very fast freshly medium compound rubbered Mercedes with a 7 time world champion in one and with fading old hard tires. It's easy to win when you have all cylinders firing for you in terms of either a fast car or a perfect strategy on a track the overtaking was difficult yet not impossible like Monaco and one which was asserted when both Mercedes breezed past Lerclerc so very easily.
Yet Sainz pulled of a win despite of being at a certain defeatable position, which was down to his ingenius ability to chess it out with faster mercs on new rubber by giving DRS to the second place man on crucial parts of the circuit, such confidence, such sightedness, such ability has made Carlos the stuff of Legends.
Singapore 2023 will forever be spoken. Wow.
Sainz is just driving so smart, i feel like he has an overview of the whole race and everyones strategies and decides during the race how to act / react. Sometimes it feels like he doesnt need a racing engineer
@FreehhZe Sainz does this in every race... He will win races but can never be as fast as Leclerc...
considering how he ruined his own race last weekend by choosing to stay out, he definitely needs an engineer
@@ceedot2578 he took a gamble, and it didn't work out. Happens sometimes
- First start with Torro Rosso. in a very unlucky season, Sainz proves to be competitive against his teammate, Max
- gets sent to Renault with less confidence after being passed over for the Red Bull gig
- less confidence after being dropped by Renault for Danny Ric
- joins Mclaren, one of the worst teams on the grid
- in two years, Mclaren jumps several places in the constructors standings. Beats Lando both years, with 2020 as the year the team supports/treats Lando as the future of the team
- joins Ferrari with expectation of being the #2 driver and several fans disappointed he replaced Vettel
- beats Leclerc (points and podiums). Ferrari bounces back from an awful 2020 season. Culture at Ferrari is obviously changed. Gino Rosato says Sainz “lit a fire under all of us.” Also, finishes every race and easily that years most reliable driver.
- struggles and adapts to a different driving style after the new regs in 22 (something Danny Ric couldn’t do in 2 years). Gets first win and 3 (technically 2) pole positions
I see Carlos as a driver who gets challenged and downplayed every year. He’s smart, capable, and is ever improving. I feel that Charles and his supporters lean heavily on his talent, which at some point will be eclipsed by Sainz’s experience matched with a competitive car he is comfortable with
I really hope they become championship contenders next year (& be better than 2022)
Spoilers: They wont be.
If only ferrari can get their stuff in order.
@@DmT922ha😢
@@DmT922ha Let the people dream.
We hope this every year 🥲
People seem to forget/overlook that Sainz finished ahead of Leclerc in his first season at Ferrari(2021). It was close and came down to that last race, but he pulled it off.
While Charles seems to be the more exciting driver, Sainz tends to be the more consistent driver.
Leclerc definitely took charge the next season, but was ultimately let down by the car (3 retirements one of which was an accident) and bad strategy calls. Carlos also suffered 6 retirements (2 were self inflicted, 2 were car failure and the other 2 he was crashed into).
This season still shows Sainz as the more consistent driver, failing to score points in one race and retiring in only one race so far, Charles has had 3 retirements (2 car issues and one collision) and one out of points finish, yet they are not too far from each other.
I don't think a number one position is warranted at Ferrari yet.
Carlos makes less mistakes under pressure and seems to be the more level headed driver, with some serious racecraft to boot.
@@mamavswild If he can somehow up his pure pace imo he should be the #1 driver. Because he will always be able to be consistent and get the maximum points that ferrari can achieve no matter what terrible situation they are in.
2021 leclerc had 2 dnf and bad strategy in Russia and Abu Dhabi that is why hd finished 5 points behind in 2021 and yet leclerc beaten sainz 14-8 in quali and race
@@best___0999this what they should check but they always see the points and try to argue.
This is absolute rubbish. The only reason Sainz beat Leclerc in 2021 is because Leclerc had 2 DNF’s that weren’t his fault, and this year Leclerc has had 3 DNF’s that weren’t his fault. Without them, he’d have beaten Sainz in all 3 years. If it comes down to a championship fight, Leclerc is the one that needs to be prioritised and that’s the end of the story.
I don't think that Charles can keep his head as cool as Carlos can. He might have the raw speed, but I just don't think he could handle the pressure. He has crashed out all by himself too often, and when the fight is close he could very well bottle it. Sainz's win in Singapore proved to me that he is just such a good driver, telling the team what he wants with strategy and having Lando in his DRS etc. Charles is the faster of the two for sure, but idk if he could do it
I mean we never saw Carlos under prsssure tho have we! Ofc Carlos is less mistake prone but Charles pushes the car to the limit more
@@best___0999
Eh no, Leclerc in Carlos position at Singapore would probably find the wall😂
@@cayden2744If Leclerc would have been in Sainz's position in Singapore he would have won by 5-10 seconds at least easilt
@@best___0999You probably started to watch F1 this year after summer break
@@PetruStefan25eh no, Leclerc would have try to pull away instead of giving Norris DRS. The Mercs would have easly overtaken Norris and then the same with Leclerc (well, he would have put up a fight to try to maintain P1 but he would have failed).
To me it´s really clear. The best version of Sainz is barely beating Leclerc in probably his worst season in Ferrari. Don´t get me wrong, I´ll take Sainz over Checo every day of the week as a second driver, but Charles is just something else. Not quite something else like Lewis, Max or Fernando yet, but he´s still in a different league
Leclerc would have to become way more consistent and able to handle the pressure for him to have a chance at the championship. Otherwise, he'll never make it.
I just think it’s the car suiting Sainz better. Maybe they should focus on a no1 and no2 when they have a title contending car.
Well, carlos awareness and intuition to make the right call are not something anyone can train to become better off overnight.
At this point does it really matter who is No. 1?
As you pointed out. This chassis fits carlos “better” if thats the case, why not him being number one?
Even if Charles is more talented, he does relie way too much on Ferraris calls despite the fact that most of the time they do not work
@@rickyricardo2006tha car suits carlos more bevause Carlos pushed Ferrari to make changes to the car according to his driving style after the summer break so charles has to adapt
@@best___0999 That’s not carlos fault. Thats a Charles issue. What did you think Lewis did when mclaren wasn’t performing? He left. What happened after renault stopped winning? Alonso left.
This is a personality trait from Charles. He is not a risk taker.
Winners are risk takers. Even though carlos is in theory the No.2 driver, he is delivering left and right like a real champion.
And again, even though carlos might not be as “fast” as Charles, he has the edge when it comes to making fast decisions. Carlos has demonstrated time and time again that he has a high understanding of everything that goes beyond the driving aspect.
@@best___0999keep telling yourself that, mate
lol😂😂
sainz really reminds me of DC. he’s a really solid driver who has speed. They both beaten their faster teammate in seasons where the car wasn’t challenging for the championship, but the second a championship winning car is on the table, they get demolished by their teammate.
We'll see
DC?
Oh Coulthard
Both are amazing in their own right. However, when you say at 5:03 that with Sainz "we haven't seem that yet", last year we've seen how LeClerc copes with pressure (when Ferrari still had a championship contender car). He's fast, make no mistake. However, the thing I believe is they're just attuned to different car handling characteristics; and if Ferrari has to go a certain development path while not prioritising Charles or Carlos, then so be it. One of them will shine a bit more.
I think it's unfair to downplay Sainz' capacity when he's not had the car he's attuned to more. Doesn't make one better or worse than the other. Both got extremely good race craft and in that respect they're on par with Mercedes.
PS: a Merc fanboy, mind you that, and would love to see Ferrari stay at the top making every year a new 2012.
I love how when LeClerc is losing, it's the car went away from him, but when LeClerc is winning he's just so raw and talented etc.
@@Crono454While some people exagerate, I do think they have different strenghts. Charles is more "raw" faster and more impressive although still making mistakes, but on the track Carlos is better able to take advantage of track conditions, strategy and other cars, and while he also crashes he can be more consistent but less impressive.
If I could compare them to other drivers, whitout saying they are as good as them, I'd say they are akin to the Senna/Prost pairing.
@@Crono454wtf bro last year Ferrari fucked Charles I’m Baku Spain Monaco Hungary silverstone whilst redbull made 0 misyake for max same for lewis, lewis ane max always complain when their team make a mistake but redbull and merc rarely merc make a mistake unlike Ferrari
It's definitely unfair to downplay Carlos.
Agree with the comments above. Actually 2022 proved Leclerc cannot handle the pressure of a title fight. And again in 2023 he made a few costly errors. Yes he is pushing the car closer to the limit, so his raw pace is very promising. But his racecraft and handling pressure skills are subpar to Sainz. Sorry to say it but I don’t recon Leclerc as wdc material anymore.
But similar to Russell. This year Hamilton really shows who he is, last year the 2021 outcome played a mental role. I am sure of that. Russell also making mistakes that do not fit wdc driver material (Canada, quali Spain, Singapore). If the 2024 cars are closer matcht a potential title fight will be between Verstappen, Alonso and Hamilton
Carlos is showing more ability to read a race and take correct decisions. In many moments, Leclerc seems to be more frustrated through race.
The issue with the whole sainz over leclerc argument is when sainz has a bad quali day, he can easily be over half a second off leclerc or more (Baku). When leclerc has a “bad” day he’s a tenth off. (Monza and Singapore)
I think they should make the fastest car they can make and let the drivers sort it out.
No, but in earnest, I love Carlos, but I think that if Leclerc keeps developing his racecraft like Max has, then Charles is the driver to build around. But I do think Ferrari should build a car that's more consistent, with higher floors and lower ceilings, rather than building a streaky, inconsistent car. And I think that kind of car would favor Carlos.
If I was Vassuer I’d prioritize the team then the drivers. So if one must be sacrificed for the win then so be it. But if there’s a big enough gap to the rest then fight as much as they want just don’t crash.
Yes but not in the las 5 laps like in italy, that was ridiculous. And even carlos could with leclerc
Both crash on occasion on their own without a fight.
This is maybe a theory, is Carlos better at handling an unpredictable car that isn’t as quick as the car that can be more predictable and Charles can extract more out of the predictable car?
Agree, and I also think Carlos is more level headed and less mistake-prone under pressure.
@@mamavswildless mistake prone becuase hd doesnr push the car over the limit moreover Ferrari built the car to suit sainz driving style more as said by Carlos himself so charles has to adapt
Agree. Maybe carlos is really the next fernando
I think you have it all backwards. Lec prefer a strong front end that makes the car more prone to oversteer(like Max). That car probably doesn't have more front wing that wouldn't make much sence, that car setting probably has less rear wing. Less rear wing makes you faster in straight line, think drs, more probe to oversteer in corner and much more unstable in corner entry giving you much more work to do. These kind of car seem to be exploited by drivers with great talent like Verstapen and Charles.
In theory and in pass years for Charles and ferrari these cars where much faster, while being harder to drive, think the amount of time Sebastien lost the rear of the ferrari!
The other end of the setting is as this one is a understeering car, with probably more rear wing and drag... also to note there is much more to this then rear wing and front wing, there is suspention setting like toe, camber etc, the floor and it's venturi effect and others... so this understeering car has "technically less speed potential the a strong front end car, cause well it has more resr end down force and drag... witch really dont make sence why it is faster, or does it? Well a car with more rear end, will be more predictable less on the edge in corners, more stable in wet weather.it will be able to be thrown in corner harder with less risk of loosing the rear... but slower in top speed....
So why is it working for ferrari and Saints? I dont truly know but here is what I think:
Biggest thing is lap consistency on 2 front. One the laps are more predictable and repeatable but two and most importantly the Ferrari at the start of the season was probably alogne with the Hass the hardest on tire degradation and thus set up change probably provide much relief to the rear tires. That more then likely translate into a slowest top speed but a more predictable lap that brings less heat and degradation to the tires true out the race!
This should mean a care very vulnerable on the straights, but DRS helps alot with that.
So to get back to Carlos and Charles. Carlos being more confortable with this set up got up to speed alot faster with this new set up and Charles is finding himself trying to change is driving style to maximize this set up. Now I do think an oversteering car should be harder to drive then an understeering car but it is a different driving style to master.
@@best___0999 dude what the hell are you smoking? Ferrari DID NOT build the car around Carlos.
Its just binottos work showing up on the 23 car suiting sainz more
The car is very understeery suiting Sainz’s driving style, even when the rb18 was slightly understeery at the beginning of 2022, max wasn’t completely comfortable with the car
Yeah but Red bull made a faster car that just had oversteer. And Ferrari just developed an understeer car because it's just faster.
The same as with vettel, the car... but last year that the car suited leclerc sainz is slower but not for the car
@@MuhammadNiz007 it’s just not bro, why do u think the Ferrari is so far behind red bull on average, talk to me when you make some sense
@@mikasr.5 no need to be rude and it’s easy to understand what the commenter meant if you open your eyes..:he’s simply saying Ferrari is developing the fastest car that THEY can, not in comparison to Red Bull, who understandably aren’t sharing with Ferrari how they got the RB19 to its dominating state.
@@MuhammadNiz007 Except understeer is slower than oversteer.
The disrespect to Carlos is crazy. Lile what the fuck has Charles actually proved? Absolutely nothing. There’s a reason Lewis is the implicit number one driver, he’s a WC. The situation in MB isn’t comparable to the one in Ferrari.
Leclerc and Sainz have different driving styles. So the way the car is being developed will be probably the big factor. If both get a car that suits their style, i think Leclerc would be the faster driver of the two. But (taking that scenario) if they're fighting for a championship, then i think Sainz will be the better driver.
Bro are you dumb, Sainz would get no-where near if they had a championship level car, we saw that last year
If he reaches his full potential, Leclerc's natural speed elevates him to the top table and above Carlos, however, Sainz, even if operating consistantly at a fraction (and I mean small margines) below that whilst bringing everything else he brings to the team is a dream. If push came to shove I'd back Leclerc but I would never undervalue what Sainz brings and I would bend over backwards to keep them both onboard.
Sainz = consistent, strategic and can handle pressure
LeClerc = raw speed (doesnt handle pressure well and is too dependent on the team calls)
But yet Carlos can only barely beat charles in seasons charles has dnfed more and not had the car suited to him
@@joshuaweber1810yes, but that kinda makes my point doesn’t it? Despite Charles being faster he was beaten by Sainz.
The real solution is to give Leclerc to RB and Perez to Ferrari and then just make it so that the RB is pointy and the Ferrari is understeery. Two teams with capable drivers who have a car fit to their liking
Don't think Leclerc wants to play wingman to Max.
@@EntropicExergyhe wont need to, he has already shown he can beat max in cars with equal performance. But yeah, red bull wont want 2 drivers fighting.
@@askeladden450 That is the only way Leclerc will ever go to RB while Max is still there. He hasn't beaten Max at all, Max beat him, if you paid attention last season. He has only shown he can't handle the stress that comes with fighting for a championship, Leclerc buckled under said stress and made plenty of mistakes.
@@EntropicExergy did u watch the early part of 2022 when both had roughly equal cars? He made max look clueless and making all sorts of mistakes like in bahrain, spain and hungary, singapore. Fortunately, ferrari was there to help max. We also saw in 2021 how max was messing up so badly in later races when lewis was catching upto him. Thankfully, masi was there to help him too.
@@askeladden450 Since i have been watching for years now, there is no reason for that question. Aside from 2022, you clearly haven't watched 2021 either. Clueless, mistakes? Ha, i wouldn't call those DNF's Max had mistakes, there was nothing Max could do about them. No, Max had next to no mistakes and the incredibly rare one he did have (spin in Hungary), he took care of himself. On the other hand Leclerc had a near crash in Imola and an unforced crash in France, typical mistakes you can't have when fighting Max. Since the cars were nearly equal (ferrari was even a bit better at that point in the season), it was obvious Leclerc couldn't handle the pressure of fighting for a championship, Leclerc just isn't championship material.
Lulu was the one with all the rookie mistakes back in 2021, where the Baku break magic was the most blatant example. In that season Max again had next to no errors in his driving. It was lulu who received all the help from the stewards at races pretty much all season long. If it wasn't for those stewards and their ridiculously biased decision, Max would have been champion multiple races before the end. Masi simply got sick of all the BS those stewards pulled, so he just made the final race finish under a green flag. Courtesy of merc lobbying for that change after Spa that season. Justice was served that day, the right man who deserved it won the championship in 2021.
You seem to dislike the fact that Max is vastly better thahn either lulu or merc. That is a you problem, something you have to deal with in some way.
There's no doubt Ferrari is going Leclerc’s way, this year it’s been about adjusting Vasseur in the team and finding new peoples to develop the car, Vasseur already said he wants to win with Charles and work with Carlos. I know Charles can't be a second to anyone so he won't go nowhere else, his position is secure in Ferrari, is just that Carlos has done such a good job and give a hell of a fight that this conversation keeps coming back, Singapure and Monza will be good cards for him to negotiate his contract, with the car going Leclerc's way he knows is up to him to catch up or give a good run for his money to Charles
The whole discussion on Charles vs Carlos is just so dumb. Charles was P2 in the WDC and ahead of Sainz by a LOT of points. A bad day for Charles he's one or two tenths behind Carlos, a bad day for Carlos and he's four, five tenths behind. It's just insane that people pretend that's a conversation to be had when both Mercedes and RB would do crazy things to get Charles in their car while Carlos was never an option for them in the past years. If you see the detailed H2H in 2021 you see Charles better in race finishes (14 to 8), Charles better in qualy pace (13 to 9) and Charles better in race pace, Charles finished 5 points behind because he's engine cost him a win in Silverstone and because Bottas hit half the grid like a wrecking ball in Hungary. I could even say Ferrari not checking the car right in Monaco cost Charles another win but I think that's too rich, imo. If you compare the H2H across three seasons Charles has a really good advantage in all the stuff I've previously mentioned, and that's not highlighting the wins and podiums he lost by engine or mechanical failure. Therefore, unless you think that Carlos has some magical aura that makes hin more lucky or something (the truth is that he has some DNFs he just isn't quick enough to be losing big points because of them - other than in Austria GP last season) I don't know how you can look at the data, the results and the talent being displayed and come to the conclusion that there's a discussion to be made.
3 race stint out of the last 30+ races where he has been better and we've already hit the "carlos sainz no 1 driver" nonsense. Did he suddenly turn into prime Alonso? Ferrari have made it clear they don't want a no 1 driver either, depsite it probably being the better option. Did we have this discussion at the start of the season with Perez? or with Russell last season?
The standard Charles gets held to is very complimentary on the one hand and also extremely disrespectful on the other just how quickly people forget how good he is. The gap between them is almost negligible with Sainz having his best season ever? look at the gaps when Charles has a car to his liking. It is literally the exact same thing happening at Red Bull, once Max gets the car he wants the gap grows exponentionally.
Ferrari's goal should be to build a fast car, regardless of who it may suit. Sure the faster driver being more comfortable will yield better results. At the end of the day, neither Charles or Carlos deserve to be 2nd drivers, I think they are both talented enough to be considered lead drivers, just not in the same team. This means at the end of the contract period the only loser in this situation will be Ferrari.
Carlos beat Charles in his debut season at Ferrari.
Carlos is beating Charles now.
@@MajesticDemonLordand Charles annihilated Sainz in 2022
And losing a podium in Bahrain and Monaco has nothing to do with that you'd say?@@MajesticDemonLord
@@MajesticDemonLordmind you in 2021 Charles was ahead in qualifying 13-9 and in races 14-8. If you’d watched that season instead of just looking at points you’d know Sainz had incredible luck that year while Leclerc’s was horrific (in Hungary, Russia, Turkey, etc.)
I think you forgetting the Sainz has been the faster driver the whole season. Carlos qualified P2 while Charles out in Q1 with nothing wrong with car.
I mean sometimes pure/raw speed isn't everything. You can have drivers like Magnussen with an insane sense of grip and speed but unfortunately they lack the rest of the pack. While obviously it's not the case for Leclerc, I've come to think that maybe he's not so many leagues ahead of Sainz, as it was thought to be once. Sainz, while being maybe a notch down in racecraft, seems to be equally as good if not better in everything else.
The last few races of the season have just proven that Leclerc is no.1
Could you make a video about the whole driver roster and which kind of car they prefer to drive? Like Sainz, with more understeer and LeClerc with more oversteer.
What i ask myself is that the teams know what a driver likes to drive right? So why then are teammates more often then not recruited to the team with the opposite preferences of each other?
I would definitely love that too, good idea
I think that Sainz is more consistent, he doesn’t make silly mistakes like Charles, who pretty much fluffed up his own chances at a WDC. Ferrari need to rely on a fantastic car, not just rely on RBs having bad luck
I love that Carlos has come forward as the one to figure it out. He’s such a humble, quiet guy that gets paid much less than Charles.
his dad is literally a multi millionaire while chalres almost had to quit f1 due to funding
ppl are overrating sainz too much. If you had a choice to choose only one driver in your team, lets be real it would be leclerc. Sainz doesn't have the raw pace. sure he can pace himself all he wants, it only helps in street circuits where overtaking is worse. If ferrari still extend his contract, it will only hinder leclercs career as they both have opposite driving styles. One of them will always be performing better than the other by what side the car development will go.
I think peaple overlook the reallity, because after sainz did beat leclerc in Monza by 0.0X and Singapur by 0.0X too, they say "Ah, Sainz is better,..." but when Leclerc beat Sainz like in Japan by over 0.3 they don't say anything about it.
When the car suited Leclerc, he was miles away from Carlos, but when the car suits Sianz, Leclerc is only milliseconds behind. Shows the capability of the drivers. Leclerc should be number 1 in my opinion.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 cope
Leclerc was only miles away in 2022 when Sainz DNF 6 times
@@cayden2744In those Dnfs excepting Austria Sainz would've never even get a podium, Charles in his Dnfs lost comfortable wins like Spain and Baku where Sainz was nowhere.
@@PetruStefan25 Bruh what?? He started on pole in Austin and got taken out on turn 1 would easily gotten the podium. Got taken out by Danny ric at imola. Would have a podium or minimum 4th place. Similar the case with baku.
@@godfather2084 Would have been P4 easily in all of those Races, meanwhile Leclerc lost 5 clear wins because of brainless strategies and engine failures
Depends totally on the car ferrari builds. If it's oversteery Charles destroys Carlos, if it is understeery Carlos narrowly beats Charles.
and second year Carlos beat Charles
@@ISirSmokein a car that suits only carlos and with Leclerc having multiple DNF’s that weren’t his fault.
Carlos has beaten Charles through superior luck, not superior skill.
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There's no such thing as superior luck, Carlos just doesn't find the walls like Leclerc does.
In 2022 Sainz had 6 DNF and 4 weren't his fault, Leclerc had the "superior luck" there, other than that Carlos is 2 - 1.
Carlos is beating Leclerc all season (2023), the car is only more suitable for him now after the summerbreak, so Carlos was already "narrowly" beating Leclerc even when the car didn't suit him. No point on being fast if you don't bring it to the points.
@@cayden2744Firstly the season hasn’t end yet so there’s still no a 2-1. And second the car has understeers all year, just that it took Carlos till summer break to get used to it, there you have your posible championship contender. Also, Carlos doesn’t find the walls cause he does not push the car to the limits, he’s consistent but there’s nothing more.
I don't completely agree on the Carlos v Charles comparison. Carlos shows an insane amount of situational awareness. Certainly when he knows he's not the fastest in the moment. Charles pretty much has nothing to fall back on if the raw speed is on holiday. Weak defender and still too many errors.
Charles is one of the few that should be capable of driving the RB19, but that's not enough to get anywhere.
Damn i didnt think Leclerc was underrated but after reading most of these comments i am.
After the last three races, I started to think this, but upon hearing that the car has been directed away from Charles’ driving style, and thinking about just how much Leclerc beat Sainz last year, really I think if Ferrari come out with a championship worthy car, it will be Charles winning the championship
What about 2021? Leclerc fans tend to forget...
@@gelingarcia forget what that Carlos beat him by like five points… it was such a small gap that it is literally meaningless
@@gelingarcia that’s the thing when Carlos beats Leclerc it’s by the absolute smallest of margins, whether that be in qualifying, the race or a championship, but when Charles beach Carlos, it’s by big margins.
Consistency and tactical mind matters, and hence Sainz is better than Leclerc
@@KKSky369 yeah like I said, I used to think that Carlos was a better championship prospect then Charles, but Charles can beat Max in a straight to fight, I doubt that Carlos can
It's interesting how after good 3 races from Sainz people start asking this kind of questions, while last year when Leclerc was so far ahead of Carlos that this was not even a discussion. This car has been developed with Carlos's driving style in mind, at least this is what Sainz senior said back in November 2022. I'm still not convinced Carlos will beat Leclerc this year. We'll see.
unpopular opinion but i strongly believe that carlos is the better more complete driver
There really isn’t a question to be had here. Sainz has only beaten Leclerc in 2 of the 3 years due to having a car that suits only him, and Leclerc having multiple DNF’s that weren’t his fault.
Leclerc should be the one getting priority and car development, if that happens, Ferrari will score far more points than they do now, especially in a championship fight. In a championship fight, Sainz will be no where near, Leclerc is their only hope.
Let’s also not forget that Sainz has been very mid all season until Monza, in a car that suited him more, whereas Leclerc got 3 podiums and 3 pole positions by that time.
Both are equally good drivers. It depends of the car and how it suit their driving styles. Last year the car suited more Charles, the current car suits more Carlos. In my opinion with the last few races Carlos is demonstrating that he can be really fast (having two poles in a row) and that he handles pressure well (fighting in monza with Charles and giving DRS to Lando). I think Carlos has stepped up his game and has shown that with the right car he can also be a championship contender. If ferrari make a good car they will have to decide quickly who they want to prioritise or they will have a problem. I think they will prioritise Leclerc due to the relationship he had in the past with Vasseur and due to the fact that his manager is Nicolas Todt (Jean Todt's son) that also has a racing team in junior formulas with Vasseur (ART Grand Prix). I mean Leclerc has better relationships to be chosen as the number 1. Let's see what the future tells us about this two amazing drivers!!
I've always rooted for Carlos. Being the son of a legendary driver is a tough place to be, especially when you share his name.
I'm biased in favor of Carlos, but logically, I think it's far too early to make a call.
Whether he wins a championship (if only), becomes a team leader, or ends his career with just the title of race winner, which is quite the accomplishment in and of itself, it's wonderful to see him enjoy success, praise, and recognition.
No. The dude is marginal better for some races and he is suddenly No1? Leclerc is the best qualifier out there on the whole grid and if it wasnt for his mistakes, the title fight last year wouldve been so close
When Sainz beat Leclerc is for few points, when Leclerc beats Sainz is for a mileage of points. This tells me that Leclerc's peak is way above Sainz Peak.
Carlos is more consistent, makes less mistakes and isn’t scared to challenge strategy when needed. Leclerc’s raw speed is unmatched and the mistakes he makes come from him pushing the car to the absolute limit, but you can’t win on speed alone, everything has to come together and you have to be smart about it. It just depends on who gets his shit together first.
when team tells carlos to do something he says no always
I think people overestimate Leclerc, always making excuses for his mistakes when under pressure while they underestimate Sainz..
I think people overrate Sainz saying he is same level as Norris Leclerc Russell, I’m a car he is comfortable leclerc was only 0.07s behind, think how ahead leclerc is in an oversteeery car he is comfortable
THIS!!! I’ve always said Charles was overhyped. Yes, he’s one of the fastest in one lap but he’s not well rounded as Carlos seems.
not really, people forget the wonders he used to do in his first year in F1 and when ferrari were competitive, i wont defend and say he hasnt made mistakes, especially bad ones, but he definitely isnt overrated, especially because he isnt that far behind in the standings and sainz has only been finding his feet in the last 3 races
Uhhhh have you not watched this season….like at all? This is the best year of Carlos’ career (and the worst of Charles’) and despite this Leclerc is only 19 points behind mainly due to being robbed of a podium in Bahrain due to an engine failure - all this in a car that doesn’t suit him mind you.
But yes keep focusing on how “mistake prone” he is while ignoring all the unforced errors Sainz, Norris and Russell make 🤔
Overestimation comes from not setting the right expectations. Charles has been phenomenal throughout all his career. This current form is consequence of a series of politics and his over politeness... when Max car the car out of his hand, he made the team certain that they got that fixed. Carlos had the car on his driven and now is "outperforming" Leclerc with 0.1 margins.. when Charles had the car closer to him the gap got as big as 0.9 secs. This is a good chance for Charles to show that he can adapt... let's wait for the next races...
Leclerc is clear of Sainz. He is faster and better. But he overdrives to often by tyring everything. Carlos is more calculated. I love them both but Charles is without a doubt the stronger driver
9:03 shrewed operator... or SMOOTH operator??
To be honest, I barely even register Leclerc anymore.
Really feels like Sainz is the only Ferrari driver right now.
How about now ? Ungrateful people
Carlos. I would say Carlos because he never stops learning...All the time he's there learning from his mistakes, from Charles, from Fernando, etc
What dilemma? People forget Sainz battles Max with the Toro Rosso...
Also u mentioned that leclerc helped carlos with alternate strategy in singapore . But carlos has done it many times last year for charles when he was in championship challenge
JUST after suzuka, after charles fuckign sacrificed himself for sainz to win, sainz said he is not happy with strategy that let leclerc finish ahaed of him LOL
What ? When ? Just name me a race in 2022 when he help Charles i bet you'll find none
Carlos is a pure diamond, hope he’d go to Red Bull or at least be the top priority in Ferrari
Audi 2026 with Lando is my dream until retirement
Carlos is better for consistency Leclerc is good at getting better results but I have to give it to sainz because hat he done this year and 2 years ago is incredible
He didnt do it 2 years ago. He should have got demolished by leclerc who had a almost guarunteed win taken in monaco because Ferrari didnt check both sides of the car, he lost a very likley podium in hungary due to bowling and got left out to dry in russia.
And this year, if it were not for losing the bahrain podium and the 10 place penalty in saudi, he would be just a couple of points behind
@@dylanburston7453 Wait so Carlos didn't earn the 4 podiums he got that year?
Some may have come at the expense of Charles (not Sainz's fault), but the same bad luck was leveled at Carlos the following year with twice as many retirements as Leclerc (6 vs 3).
Like the one at the Austrian GP that was a sure 1-2 for Ferrari, but his engine caught on fire right as he was about to pass Verstappen. Both drivers have had their rash of bad luck/misfortune.
@@lazarushernandez5827 When did i say that carlos didnt deserve what he achieved?
All im saying is that Charles outperformed him and didnt get what his performances deserved.
the 6 v 3 stat is misleading.2 of them were his fault, Japan and Australia.
He got punted of by ricado and imola, which was 6 points. His engine blew in baku and austria, which were both 2nd/probable 2nd 18 points each thats 36 points. took out by osama in russel in cota, looking like a probable podium lets say 15 points. In total, Carlos lost 57 points outside of his control.
Charles lost 25 points in both spain and baku, his engine blowing from the lead.
Thats 50. He dropped from a guaranteed win to 4th in monaco because Ferrari were clowns, thats 13 points. Ferrari didnt pit him under SC in silverstone (which got carlos his first win) which cost charles 13 points as well. All in all, thats 76 points.
And both of them lost about the same amount of points in the last stretch to bad pitstops and strategey.
Even in the year where he had twice as many retirements, he still lost less points due to reliability/other drivers/Ferrari
While yes carlos is doing amazing,i think its the tracks that make it more close and the car setup knowledge makes the difference,wait till u see in suzuka Leclerc being 0.500 faster than sainz on pure speed
To be honest I dont think Leclerc is faster than Sainz, in fact, all the time the strategy benefits leclerc cause he is Vasseurs little boy
Imagina Red Bull signing Sainz after Perez his contract ends
0:03 It is 2 poles, 3 podiums and 1 win. Max took pole in Zandvoort and it was Sainz on pole at Monza and Singapore.
2 podiums too actually
One thing fans ignore is how the car balance impacts a driver. You may have a good car, but if the balance does not match your driving style, you will not get all the car can give.
Carlos over a season Charles over a single race.
What’s important to consider here is the fact that Ferrari is launching a brand new (RedBull) concept for 2024.
This season is a wash as they’re running the wrong concept. There’s no real development path they can chase. I feel this uptick in form for Sainz compared to Leclerc is due to the car being developed to perform well in monza. Whatever they did there fits sainz that bit better and honestly it looks like Leclerc is chilling now.
I was reminded of a dialogue from the movie “Rush”
Niki tells James he might win a race or two but over the course of the season, Niki would be champion. I feel like yes, Charles will be the headline grabbing driver but Sainz will come out on top in a championship battle. But only just.
Like that's ever gonna happen 😂
I think the championship pressure is too much for Carlos to handle, like we saw in 2022, and now with him being expected to keep the good run of form, and ending up being knocked out in q2
literally the definition of recency bias. carlos had a great race and finally got his first 'REAL' f1 victory. When he does it while being chased by Hamilton or Max all race, then it will be a lot more impressive than a race where Max started 11th, and LeClerc and Lando played the part of rear gunner the whole race. I'm not saying it wasn't a great drive, just saying that LeClerc has won some epic races so far, gotten pole positions in the tractor 2020/21 cars, etc...
3:08 how was the monza pole leclerc assisted when max was in between them???
You build the car around it's outright speed. It's up to the drivers to decipher how the car generates that speed, and how to get closest to the cars full potential.
Sainz should stay at Ferrari. Even though they often operate like chickens without a head they still have the 2nd or so fastest car. Remember Alonso leaving Ferrari for McLaren Honda or how Toyota spent over 400 million but didn’t perform any better than Apine. Audi has a big name but that doesn’t mean instant success.
Carlos and Charles will no doubt be there for a good few years yet!
Theyre close to equal but for different reasons.
Leclerc is definitely faster in 1 lap pace but he doesnt cope that well under pressure.
Sainz is slower but he's quite a bit more consistent and handles pressure quite well, seems like the years at Red Bull paid off haha.
But yeah, i dont think there should be a #1 driver at Ferrari, Carlos and Charles are both incredible, but they both have differing reasons as to why.
it all goes down on who's feedback the car was built and developed. it looks like the 2022 was for leclerc, while 2023 was much more into sainz driving style.
I think Leclerc is a very good driver but he tends to crack under pressure.
I think Sainz knows the limit of the car and he doesnt want to go beyond that limit unlike Leclerc who wants to push beyond that limit to get 110% from the car
Ferrari should develop the car around Carlos because he is a driver who can fight for championship for long enough. I don't think you know this but Last year Singapore Charles lost the win because he was overworking the tyres to overtake Perez on track when there was a chance of a penalty. If he had listened to the team and used his brain he should have won the race easily. Carlos has the ability to lead the team which Charles just doesn't have. The fact you hear Inside the Ferrari Carlos spent X amount of time with engineers in marnelllo also puts more trust in the team that Carlos is there. Let's not forget Carlos is also currently more powerful than Charles at Ferrari because Charles is John Elkan's pitch while Carlos is now recently pick by Fiat. Not sure if you have followed Ferrari or not but John elkan has always been a puppet so politically Carlos is also stronger.
Why? The one time they gave Leclerc a championship contending car, he finished P2 despite Ferrari pissing away more than 100 points and he made 3 mistakes all year. Carlos finished P5, made far more mistakes and was routinely eaten by Leclerc.
Sainz puts two decent weekends together (where Leclerc was still within a tenth of him) and hes suddenly the number one after being pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons
@@dylanburston7453"Pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons"... wtf??? IIRC in 2021, his "rookie" season at Ferrari, Carlito quite handsomely trashed "Kamikaze Charlie". On a side note, he also trashed Leclerc while driving a Renault and a McLaren. Get real, buddy. ;)
.@@aoife1122 Leclerc would have beaten him by 30 plus points. He lost a guaranteed win in monaco because Ferrari didnt check his car, he lost a win in Silverstone because his engine kept cutting out, he lost a likley podium in Hungary in the bowling alley, and he dropped from 4th to out of the points with 3 laps to go because Ferrari left him out to dry.
He beat Carlos 14-8 in the races, and should have outscored him massively, but Carlos beat him by a handful of points because his season went perfect, no reliability and he didnt get taken out by anyone.
In 2018, the Renault was the 4th best car and the Sauber 7th, and charles was a rookie.
The 2020 Ferrari was a underpowered shitbox, the 6th fastest car and the Mclaren was the 3rd fastest. Even then Carlos only scored 7 more points in a car that was far better and more reliable as well.
Funny you dont mention how in 2019 leclerc outscored Carlos by 150 points.
Yeah, his car was faster but that clearly didnt matter to you, as long as it supports your "argument"
@@aoife1122 beating leclerc when leclerc drove a slow ass sauber and the disasterclass 2020 ferrari? yeah whatever buddy. that's why leclerc absolutely trashed carlos by a massive 62 points. lets see if sainz could beat leclerc this year by even half of that.
@@dylanburston7453 So Leclerc "lost a guaranteed win" in Monaco because Ferrari "f*cked up"??? 🤣🤣
Must I remind you that it was none other than himself who smashed the bloody car into the barrier? And I highly doubt that Ferrari "didn't check" the car, this was more likely a choice between "she may or may not hold up" or "start from the pitlane after changing the gearbox in parc fermé", "what's it gonna be boy?"
And over the five seasons Sainz and Leclerc spent together in Formula 1 the score so far is 3:2 in Sainz's favour. It is therefore mathematically impossible that he was "pretty soundly beaten over the last 3 seasons" by Leclerc as you have erroneously claimed... and this season doesn't seem to be favouring Leclerc either, so far.
Now he knows what Vettel felt.
oh you dont have facecam this episode. thats an improvement in my opinion! I rather have a commentator than a presenter. Good video
I really appreciate your videos. Brilliant analysis of the situation. ⭐👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It's actually quite hard sitatuation because I feel like Sainz can easily over perform Leclerc.
This analysis does not take into account the 2021 season, Leclerc was expected to win easily....
Leclerc had awfull luck, and would have won y 30+ points if they checked the car in Monaco, He got taken out by the bowling in hungary, he got left out to dry in russia, and he lost a win in Silverstone because of Lewis lenient penalty and his engine kept cutting out
Leclefc had so much bad luck 2 dnf Monaco and Hungary and bad strategy in Russia and Abu Dhabi all races which sainz finsiued on the podium
@@dylanburston7453don’t forget Abu Dhabi they have leclerc a 2 stop but gave 1 to sainz which got sainz P3 and leclerc P10
@@dylanburston7453like that in 2021 even Sainz had bad luck , Ferrari kept messing his pit stop more often than Charles
@@dylanburston7453 They have a very short memory. Do not even try to explain yourself.
It is just a waste of time lol
Afraid nobody was going to talk about it. Carlos has been better than, Quali God, Charles LeChlerc this whole year. Carlos has heen hella consistent this whole year, but absolutely exploded since the summer break.
especially the strategy calls. Leclerc should've done what Sainz did (dictate strategy call on track). If Leclerc didn't start to do that, he screwed basically
Glad you left a question for us because my view on this is really extense.
I remember that in 2021 Sainz outscored Charles, I think that’s something that sometimes we tend to allow not to mention because the ground effect era well, started in 2022. Its like the 2013 Lewis-Nico season at Merc, its forgotten.
My point with that is that Sainz outscored Leclerc in his debut season as a Ferrari driver, in early 2022 he had that bad run early on that pretty much meant he got four races into a 22 races season assigned the number two role. The main reason that happened was because if I’m not mistaken Charles won 3 out of the first 4 races. Sainz two DNFs… you do the maths.
I feel after that bad start in 2022 Sainz matured a lot, Charles is younger than Carlos and even if he was the one battling Max, I still feel he (naturally) is maturing.
His main mistake imo was Paul Ricard, he had 0 pressure and he fucked it. F1 has a lot of ifs moments but I really feel that with that 2021 debut Ferrari campaign and how he is doing after that early 2022 bad patch, I feel naturally Sainz and Leclerc should be equal.
I remember Silverstone in 2022, “stop inventing” when Ferrari asked Carlos to stay 10 car lengths of Leclerc in the SC relaunch, Sainz was technically leading, Leclerc got lucky to be in that position because of the SC but that message even though Ferrari backed out of it as they realized they were going to let Hamilton win if they did that sent in my eyes the message that Carlos was number 2… even if he ended up winning the race and having them reverse the decision, it made 0 sense to favour Charles in that moment, so I felt it was like a sign he was their priority.
My take would be, renew both till 2025, one more year, and have them on a Jorge Martin vs Enea Bastianini last year for the factory Ducati seat in MotoGP but instead for who gets renewed as the number 1. “No brainer” as you said to renew both but yeah.
As for 2024, the driver that is leading in Hungary (or summer break) if its a sustainable lead, go all in with that one for the Championship.
Slayy
I think the biggest dilemma in Ferrari right now is that they have both drivers that are capable to win the championship but have a differing car balance preferences to the extreme, one of them gonna ended up being a scapegoat no matter how much they try to be neutral in car development. We saw this in 2014 already with Fernando & Kimi.
The longer the streak without a championship goes on the more the pressure rises the next time Ferrari are in a championship battle. Not many people can handle the pressure that comes with that Vettel started to make mistakes and he was a 4 time world champion when he joined.
"Shrewd operator "
kinda works.
I would definitely invest on Leclerc. Sainz a good driver, but I need one that can turn the table and win championship like Leclerc.
Ferrari should build a fast car and whoever is faster in the weekend , gets the priority. Both are capable of being a lead driver when fast.
Problem with Charles is that we've been seeing more and more mistakes creep in when hes under pressure. the 2021 season where he was making some "ambitious" dive bombs and such are another example where we dont really see a controlled - thread in the needle kind of performance from Charles. When it comes to who is better, depending on whether the car is consistent with more understeer, or consistent with more oversteer is probably what will determine who will be outright faster. But if I have to choose a driver who will be more consistent, it will be Sainz. I also think Sainz has more capacity to adapt to cars that dont suit his driving style than Charles does. Now, if Charles is able to develop into a consistent driver and show us that he can be in control, it will be hard for Sainz.
any question that starts with "is ferrari capable of manging...." is just an automatic and resounding no
Charles hasn’t been the same since France 22🥲
Ferrari has the best pairing they could've had at the moment, and they better not screw this up like they usually tend to... this is not a situation like when they hired former title winners like Schumacher, Kimi, Alonso and Vettel, they have drivers that they have a relationship to develop with and they need to manage the drivers, not the drivers to manage the team like before
Where do you find the videos from?
I think the few thenths difference in cars comes when a car is designed for a driver. RBR has figured it out and have a car designed for one driver. I think mervedes, mclaren, amr and Ferrari need to do the same to beat rbr unless FIA changes rules.
Ultimately Sainz may not be the better driver but he is the better Ferrari driver. Leclerc has too much faith in the team and truly doesn't really think long term into his race. But for a team constantly making mistakes, Ferrari need a Sainz to mask some of these issues.
Imagine Ferrari has the redbull car this year. The title challenge would actually be interesting.
In Zandvoort they sacrificed a practice session to dial in the car.
If Charles could handle the pressure a bit more and take the strategy more into his hands. Likr Carlos do often. He will be champion.
How was monza leclerc tow if sainz was behind verstappen?
Its scary how inconsistently this is judged. The margins that Leclerc has over Sainz is HUGE.
Plus the qualy, race and points head2head ALL since they were teammates are in Charles' favour. So what are we talking about
Charles is faster and better
9:00 "shrewd operator" /golfclap
Those are some good end-video questions
"Self inflicted crash in Imola". So Ricciardo crashing into and spinning Sainz had nothing to do with it? Gotcha
Sainz know how ro take matters in to his own hands , Leclerc is refusing or unable to do this