What?!?! A coke head would be so happy to finish a bag of coke so idk what comparison you're trying to make.... Edit she added the word recovering because it didn't make sense before so stop trying to explain it to me now
You can tell he didnt even believe that, his eyes lit up as he saw the chance to go viral for saying something idiotic which 13 year old boys will perceive as 'alpha'
@@deadams8905 I watch some clips of them and from what I see most of them arent. The guy 2nd to the left, i think his name is Chad, said one time that he expects a virgin as his future wife but he isnt a virgin himself. But he didnt have sex the last few years to save himself for marriage so that counts for him apparently. In general they have so many double standards and for the most part they just invite stupid women to their podcasts so they can shit on them.
when you think about it that is kinda how an abusive person thinks about it, they usually think they're just having the appropriate reaction and the other person deserves their behavior, they don't think of themselves as bad people.
Well unfortunately there are pieces of shit that do that. But there also a lot of Situations where it’s a 2 way street of toxic behavior. It happened one time with my parents and it never happened again. Now I don’t think In the real world You should never give the benefit of the doubt, but they worked It out and it never happened again they been together for a long time and would Do anything for each other. So I do think there are rare situations where it is more nuanced. Keep In mind I’m talking about them just beating each other brutally.
Their excuse would be something like "she should have known better" or "she should have picked a better man". Anything to absolve the man (or men in general) of any fault and push that on to the woman in question
@@abiswxllow1934 The reason most men understand the gravity of these situations is by making it personal to them. Sad but at least it helps some of them to think and reflect.
I can my dad basically did treat me like that and it was so hard to even tell him. He was like well I was abused too. Like no he was very likely the instigator from what I can tell
don't be upset by it. They are either idiots or they are looking for attention. Regardless of what they actually think, the only reason it is getting attention is because its a stupid and ridiculous opinion
Depressing is not doing the will of God. Jesus has many times said to endure abusers. Once he said that whoever divorces one for any reason other than prostitution is a sin.
I can’t remember who said it but it was a cop talking about abuse, and i heard it while In an abusive relationship and it scared me so much I started telling my friend about the abuse. He said (paraphrasing) “ if they’re willing to verbally abuse you they are willing to physically abuse you. If they’re willing to physically abuse you they are willing to kill you” . Abuse escalates if it’s not addressed.
Bro imagine building up the courage to finally tell someone your husband is beating tf outta you and you go tell your dad and he’s like “deal with it stop being so soft. He”ll stop eventually, it’s just a phase” 😭😭😭 some people just don’t need to have kids
zoomers should never have been born millineals should not have been allowed children without government tests and intervention. Millennials where the worst most degenerate unfit generation to ever exsit in society. Millennials have had no positive impact on the world at all. their children are basicly parasites who are futher destroying the world.
55 years ago this was a pretty average response if you want me to be blunt. Keeping the family together was important ABOVE people's happiness, that's unhealthy. Problem in today's society, people end a marriage over arguments (mind you we are just talking about arguing not anything physical because once its physical IMO THAT'S WHEN YOU LEAVE) and claim that is abuse, ignoring the trauma your kids will get from a broken home (if you don't have kids thou if your constantly arguing then you really didn't know each other IMO and never should have tied the knot).
@@strykrpinoy "It was normal in the past" is not a good justification for anything, really. Parents provide the model for relationships to their children. If that relationship is not healthy, even just at an emotional level, it will have lasting effects on the kids abilities for form their own healthy relationships. "Keeping it together for the kids" is a dated mentality for a reason, there isn't really any data that suggests its worthwhile.
My mom's ex pile drove her into the dirt fuckin driveway outside our house AFTER they had been broken up for over three weeks and he started an argument on their way home from their favorite bar. Full on picked her up and slammed her shoulders first into the ground. Dudes like your dad and my mom's ex should not be anywhere near other human beings.
a woman in my family has been on an abusive relationship for about 17 years. she hasn't divorced because of her children. her older kid grew up to be a total pos, and is very evident that the younger one, who i love very much, is going on the same path. it breaks my heart thinking what their lives would've been like if she had just divorced her. but she should just endure it, i guess.
Surprise surprise one of them, I can’t remember which one but I think it’s the guy in the middle who looks like a 20 yr old who looks 35, was exposed as an abuser. These guys are pieces of sh!t
He literally called women who have endured trauma "nut bags." Then the sreenshots of him admitting to numerous counts of assault against various women surfaced. Soo basically he wants to abuse women and then call THEM nutbags for living through it.
As someone who went through seeing their mom get divorced, cheated on, and abused, the abusive part was easily the worst and seeing her divorce him was the greatest.
SAME. My dad would go on these “divorce brings nothing good” rants but wouldn’t put any energy into changing 💀 I haven’t seen him in almost a year but I finally no longer fear he’ll kill us in our sleep.
This rlly pisses me off cause I knew a victim of abuse who tried to “endure”. She married an abusive guy, the cops would be called to their house all the time, and she always declined to press charges cause she “knew he was good on the inside”. Everybody told her to leave, she didn’t listen. Then one day he got drunk and got so mad at her that he picked up an empty whiskey bottle and smashed it on her head which killed her. I hate that guy for saying “just endure” when you can get killed by your abusive significant other
Yes I total agree with u dude is a jack ass for saying that. On the other hand it’s also the females fault (not talking about ur friend at all because I have friends that have been victims as well) for staying in the relationship when they have a way out. I know some females that stay it’s because the man perty much starts making her cut out people from her outside world so she ends up being isolated. And then after he gets her isolated is when he starts hitting her and she fells like there no way out he’s the one who pays the bills his house and she just fells stuck and that she has to accept it. I fell bad for woman that are in that situation. Then there’s other females that will get hit and stay because they fell like oh it was just one time and then it keeps happening and they have people that would help them and instead of saying anything they try to hide it and when other people find out they take the guys side saying oh well it’s not his fault I shouldn’t have done this and that and it’s not all the time and I love him he’s really good person it was just a mistake. Then there’s the ones who say something and then there bros or there friends beat the guy up and the next week there together again. And time goes on and same thing happens and dude gets beat up then they back together like nothing happend. The females that have the opportunity to walk away from that type of relationship and stay are part of the problem tho because them staying only hightens the chance for some worse to happen. I had to beat people up a lot and then just to see them back together really pissed me off we’re I just said never again. But if I see any man hiting a girl in front of me I’ll hit him because I just don’t like seeing that type of shit. But I am sorry to hear that about ur friend no one deserves to be hit by there significant other or no other person but exspecially the person ur with. that’s the person ur spose to count on to make sure ur safe. I was just talking in general my oppion regarding d.vs.
@@Guero677you’d have to understand that domestic abuse also involves psychological abuse…the victim’s mind has literally been altered to the point where they do NOT have a way out at all. It’s not as simple as saying “just leave” since the victims themselves believe their abuser could still be good or “its just a one time thing” even if it happens over and over again.
@@pensandshakers abuse apologist. I’m actually against abuse in any type of way. Is that what because I’ve actually seen each one of those situations and scenarios play out in real life. So yea don’t know wat u talking about.
@@Hanabi_Han no I get that I’m not saying just leave sorry if that’s how it’s coming out. But that’s y I wrote different situations that I personally seen and how they played out. I know it’s not as easy as just leaving at the drop of a dime. And in no way am i making excuses for that behavior my ex used to get beat bad by her ex. And she was petty much just a broke down person so I know exactly wat u mean. But every one has to figure it out on their own I guess. But I’m saying there do be females that have the means to leave the abuse they have family support and outside help and I understand that it may still be hard but they got to get out of there if he hits her once he gonna do it again. Everytime
My father told me a story from his job that relates to this topic. There was an elderly gentleman (in his late 70s) who came to the attention of the authorities after a health checkup. He had bruising and welts all over his legs, thighs and groin. At first he made up a variety of excuses and lies before eventually breaking down in tears and telling the truth. His wife, who travelled everywhere with him when he left the house always kept a set of pliers with her. If he did something to irritate or annoy her she used the pliers to grab the skin of his legs and violently twist. She even had a set in their car for that specific purpose. He had been married to this woman for over 50 years. Every time I hear someone surprised or shocked that men can and are abused in relationships this story comes to mind. Noone should EVER stay in an abusive relationship and the statement "Just endure!" makes me feel physically sick.
Oh my god that’s so fucking sad, poor man. I hope he’s doing okay now or was able to leave. He deserves to be happy and not fearful of the one who’s supposed to love him more than anyone else
Am from India , so I have seen abuse in my own family Ofcourse but the absolute horrendous was that occurred in my servant quarters (we have one servant’s family live in the back rooms of our home). This man used to regularly beat the woman who was our helper. The man was unemployed and wasted all her earnings and one time when she refused, he took the hot rod (used for boiling water) and stuck it on her thigh. The absolute scream was animalistic. Not just that, he didn’t remove that rod it for quite some time. Her skin melted off, her thigh was blackened and pus formed when I saw it
"abuse is rare" 12 seconds later, essentially, "If you're being abused, it's not special. Endure and don't be a quitter. You'd have to be a pretty special person to be worthy of not being abused" And "I knew lots of people in abusive households...""
I honestly just got divorced (April 28th) because of an abusive marriage. I am male. This was honestly the most hysterical crap I've heard in a while. Thanks for bringing this to light charlie lol. Edit: HOLY CRAP THIS BLEW UP. to all asking if I'm in a better situation, yes I am thank you! This means a lot more to me than you all think. I've been pretty broken ever since it all started and I'm trying to piece myself back together. I've dealt with the abuse for almost 5 years and that shit changes you as a person. Thank you all for being so supportive and caring! I've put a lot of effort into rebuilding myself. I've finally landed a stable job I like (ride mechanic at a Major theme park), I've put a lot of effort into my twitch stream hobby and finally hit affiliate (come on by if you want I'm CasBasko on there too), things have been looking up this year and seeing all these people (2.1k likes?! Holy shit!!!) rooting for me really put things into perspective. I've blamed myself for everything that's happened to me for years. I somehow thought it was all my fault. It means so much to see you all here, thank you ❤️
Congrats!! I hope things have been going well since then. Abused men are all too often overlooked but I’m glad there’s increasing awareness. Really happy for you.
the thing is, all it takes to be an "abuse victim" these days is just saying you were abused cause you got yelled at one time. Its a joke and the amount of dummies crying abuse but didnt actually go through it are just making it worse for the real victims. Disgusting.
I am a male and was in a 5 year abusive relationship (i was abused). We got divorced about a year ago and its was the best thing we could have done. The fact that anyone could think of continuing an abusive marriage/relationship just shows how stupid and immature they are.
My husband was extensively abused by his ex. She would stop him from sleeping, hit him, force him to watch her send her nudes to other people, and force herself on him. She would hit their children and threaten him that she would hurt them if he didnt do what she wanted. She isolated him by spreading lies to his family and friends and would threaten him by saying she would make false statements to the police. She was aided by his military leadership who told him he needed to "man up" and work it out. This lasted for years until his mother saw the abuse first hand and he was able to divorce her. It was an extremely messy divorce and he and his children experienced a lot of things they shouldn't have dealt with and it all came down to people not believing a man can be abused and that you should always try to stay with your partner. That mentality is dangerous and outright wrong.
I hope your hubby is doing okay. Terribly sorry he went through that. I know I'm some random dick online, but tell him that this anon thinks he's one of the strongest men ever to come out of that. The scars left on his heart are real, and it's totally okay that he works through that trauma and heals however he needs to and for as long as he needs to. Also I hope his bitch ex got locked up, though I sadly doubt it.
honest take if i lose everything because a women makes false claims like this about me, i swear to god himself those claims won't be false anymore, ive got nothing to lose so ill show them what would happen to her if i really abused her
@@qseit5140frfr I mean they sell cameras if u just put up a couple cameras that she couldn’t see so u could capture some of the abuse so u can use that when u eliminate the threat. Saying I have proof of the abuse I was going to make a report but I wanted to make sure I had evidence that was undeniable because she’s made threats to make false accusations on me. So I wanted to make sure I had enough proper evidence but she came at me with blank so I had to defend myself. Because yea no way am I gonna allow my son to be abused by anyone. That’s just how I think about the situation. I have a son and he’s my lil dude and I couldn’t imagine standing by while anything bad happing to him.
@boostedrival5505 That still isn’t a good mentality to have, man. Also pls don’t blasphemy. But yeah, it’s infuriating, but you don’t need to drag yourself to their level of depravity. Unless she actually does something truly irredeemable I don’t think it’s worth it.
The guy in the blue suit was arrested in Japan for hitting a woman with a bottle because she rejected him. He then bragged about hitting women in group chats.
But the main difference is, in the case of the abuse victim, leaving the situation is actually on the table as an option. Although even if they do leave, the trauma can indeed be permanent.
Domestic violence is literally in 1in4 intimate relationships. In California 20% of all police calls are for domestic violence. It’s like the entire manosphere sub genre is just “being ignorant” the podcast 💀
@@bot4hire202 Considering women commit around 70-80% of non-reciprocal domestic abuse, you'd think they'd spend as much time researching and leaning on the subject as possible. The fact they could be so ignorant on a subject that benefits their point blows my mind.
@@TzavaotI can’t take any man that gets abused by his wife/gf seriously and I’m not even a red-piller. I have twice/thrice her strength, what is she gonna do? 😄
Do you know what happens when you endure an abusive relationship? You get put in a suitcase still alive telling your significant other to please let you out while they mock you from the outside, go upstairs and go to bed while you sit there and suffocate to death.
My father broke a door down trying to get to my mother, sister, and I. My mother got stuck under the door trying to block it. It broke her collar bone, shoulder, and bruised her face to her foot. The reaction from a specific aunt on my mothers side disgusts me to this day, and she has never apologized. My mother called her that night for help. My aunt told her “you shouldn’t have picked a fight” and then hung up….I don’t speak to this aunt anymore
wow that must have been very traumatising for all of you, awful of that aunt to say that too, I'm sorry yall went through that! The hardest part growing up after my mom getting us away from my abusive dad was realising how many adults, especially adult family memebers knew we were being physically abused and literally did nothing and didn't even help us leave, realising that brought a lot of hurt back after years of just holding it in. Fuck any adult defending abuse and I'm glad you've cut your aunt out of your life, she doesn't deserve to be in it if that is her views! (sorry for any bad spelling, 2nd language andy over here)
@@lishanimations9852 oh wow..this hits close to home, when you have family that knows but does nothing. I grew up in a very similar situation..im sorry you didn’t have anyone. The healing process is terrible at first but worth it, please go no contact with those who hurt you so terribly. They don’t deserve your presence. I hope you are doing very well now compared to them friend
The first words out of this man's mouth... "Divorce is not a thing.." I'm legitimately speechless that in an age with so much knowledge and information widely available we still have people like this.
That guy's a theocrat. He meant "according to my religion" or "in the eyes of God you are always married to that person." Obviously in reality marriage is just an agreement and you literally can break the agreement, and stop being married
@goldengucci2275 As a Christian myself, I can confirm this. God, in no way, tolerates abuse. It's a sin to do so. It's even right there in the Bible, clear as day, "Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them,". If someone is physically abusing their spouse, they've dishonored their wife, and their marriage, which dishonors God. Disrespectful on all accounts. Divorcing an abusive spouse is absolutely necessary in those situations, especially if they refuse to shape up, you have children or both.
As someone who grew up with a father who mentally and physically abused my mother (and myself as well), cheated on her, and then both parents got divorced AND REMARRIED, I can say with concrete conviction that “just enduring” is not only dangerous, but could be a death sentence. My father did unspeakable things to my mother, and then, because we was not stopped and my mother did not leave him (yet) he continued and then proceeded to carry out that abuse onto me as well. These guys need to reassess how they speak to human beings. I’d also like to tackle “divorce is worse than abuse”. This is, and I say this with confidence, one of if not THE single most lobotomized response I could imagine. That is like arguing that robbery is worse than genocide. I pray to Christ that the women these men are involved with are protected by God.
Those girls did such a good job of asking questions to let the guys show everyone how stupid and horrible they are. Every follow up question they just dug a deeper and deeper hole for themselves and the girls barely needed to add anything. Impressive
There is a saying about giving enough rope... Looks like the hosts followed through on it flawlessly. What an absolute clown, but that's too nice, it will be a good day when they get taken down for being outed as abusers themselves.
Hold on there, they might have messed up on this question, as in, there ain’t no way you gotta endure physical abuse, however, any challenges in a marriage, yes, you gotta endure those, but from I gather, they usually invite OF hoes to clown on.
@@Owlmare No one has to endure anything...Not even when it comes to marriage. That is up to everyone's personal preference whether they want to endure the situation at hand or not. To say "any challenges in a marriage, you gotta endure" is foolish.....This can be a very damaging mindset to have. In no way, do you have to endure anything you aren't willing to, as that can lead to lowering your own standards and goals. WHICH is ok to do BUT only if you WANT to.
They wouldn't even be happy with that. They are not happy people. They hate anything feminine, they believe they're superior to it. Putting women down is the only thing that will actually get them off.
My father had ‘phases’ of abuse where he would be more abusive and then less abusive. Notice how I said he never stopped abusing. He just knew when to stop being EXTRA abusive to gaslight my mom into staying. She immediately left when she realized he was also mistreating me.
Same situation here. They still married though but man I can still see how miserable both of them are and still we the sons and daughters are affected by it till today.
You are correct, the abuse never stops. My grandmother escaped her abusive husband, and cut out ties with his family members who told her to endure it. Her sister escaped hers when her husband died. Whoever says victims should endure, are often abusers themselves, who dont want to admit to their own behavour . Sounds like those podcast guys have abused someone before. Someone with a clean conscience wont have trouble saying abuse is wrong.
What I will say is, the abuse my dad gave us did stop after the divorce, but only after years of therapy, which is often times not going to be a thing people end up getting, let alone men, let alone Narcissistic people.
It sometimes does stop, this is more common in relationships where the person can leave easier than a wife with kids could. Or at least from the perspective of the abuser, its always difficult to leave regardless if you have kids or not. Just want to make that clear. But the classic love bombing, acting good and pretending you care but then abusing you when they’re sure you aren’t gonna leave again. Its not always blatantly abusive, they can even seem completely changed. Thats how abuse victims always come back. And why they get stuck in that cycle
When charges were laid against my father and we went to trial, my family showed up and stood with him. Afterwards my own grandmother said to me “ how can you put your father in jail?” I just looked at her and said “ I didn’t, he did” I broke the circle of abuse that occurred for generations and I would never tell someone to just “endure” 😡
I hope your father gets out and finds you. I really hope and I hope that he will make your belly swell after pumping you full with white milk. What you did is absolutely despicable
You did the right thing sadly my mother didn’t go through prison but I did get taken away from her still get shit in my birthday cards like “I miss you” and “I’m sorry” and “I’ve changed” they never change and I’m glad you stopped him
He would be out of the family... He would have a choice immediately. Either stop the BS or he is out of the family.. this is the latest Trump supporter agenda is pushing ending of womens rights to no fault divorce..
That conversation around divorce was so awful. My dad used to beat us. Kicked my mom with the spurs on his boots, choked my sister out, even broke my arm once because he got annoyed with me being a kid and doing kid stuff. According to my mom he was completely normal until he joined the army and returned home from Desert Storm. After that he became insanely physically and mentally abusive. I'm so glad she chose not to stay with him because who knows if it could have gotten worse and wound up with one of us dead. Telling victims of abuse to just stick it out is so disgusting. NO ONE should be made to endure abuse.
To the dudes on this podcast the abuse was still your mother's fault. Never forget that these people are malicious. That to them a man can never do anything wrong unless it's not buy the absolute sh1t they're selling.
@@obama2747 and what is wrong with that exactly why can't they tell each other there perfect how does that effect you how does that compare to telling people to be. Abbused
@@obama2747what are you talking about lmao you just shouted out some talking points that you’ve wanted to say even though they don’t pertain to this
me too, i watched accidently one of those jerks podcasts and the amount of brain damage argument ( not even one ) they give is hot boiling like how mysogenistic can u be to think like that ? bruh
I RIPPED ASS so hard goddamn you should have seen me. just start tearing it up in here. CAN'T BREATHE RIGHT NOW ITS STINKY!!! l'm probably going to go blow out the toilet right now god damn Lord have mercy. hate shit in my pants. Life's not fair
@@Anime_Moments_99-p7u FR! How can they even believe what they're saying? This whole thing started with the Chad trend and the "men stop simping" thing tbh, and like feminism, like wokism, like religion, it always starts from something good then it goes way over the top and people start doing or saying stupid shit...
Gotta love the framing of “giving up” when referring to someone divorcing because they’re getting physically abused lol. In fact that almost sounds like textbook manipulation. “Babe, I’m leaving! You’ve hit me 20 time today.” “So what? You’re giving up? I thought you were stronger than that?”
I’ll be honest, I had a similar mindset growing up as a teen. I didn’t want giving up in friendships. I always thought it was possible to make through anything if we were honest and talked it out. I don’t think it’s the same mindset as what these people do, but it did take me years to realize just separating is fine and you can’t - sadly - always make any relationship work.
I wanted to add the using "Catholicism" as a excuse is a false preacher. Annulments are not mistakes and the Catholic church does not encourage abuse the Pope has talked about it a lot and is very against it. Annulments are for when their is a abuse etc and it's recognized by the Catholic church. We have horrible people like that dude in the church who are only religious for appearance and excuse.
now lets not forget how RARE this case is, so really yes of course the kid should just get the shit kicked out of him because he's a rare special case and how dare he think his problems matter, what if the parent kills themselves because the kid left, its all about ENDURANCE. what a fucked up argument, imagine pointing out how rare a scenario is before making the scenario even more rare to justify there points ( in reference to the part where he mentioned how the abuser is probably drunk when he abuses and that makes it ok somehow (which I also don't follow). not all abusers are drunk so therefore he only went and narrowed down the, what the claim, rare scenario in the first place.
I mean if the man has to pay alimony to the woman then he is still providing for her which he shouldn't because the marriage is over she is no longer his woman to provide for, but states make the man do it. Men should not have to take care of their ex spouse if you want to walk away then don't make me pay for your life anymore. So for some men divorce doesn't exist other than you don't have a romantic side, but she still be taking your money
Im really happy that someone like Charlie pointed it out. My mom was in abusive marrige with my dad and they got divorced, luckily. Telling someone in an abusive relationship "just push through and endure" is like telling someone with asthma "just breathe"
your analogy is the best one I've read in this video's comments. sorry for what you have been through. as a person who grew up with a very abusive father i understand
My dad hit my mom, my older brother, my grandmother and myself. My parents divorced and I was never more thankful. I want these idiots to be stuck in a simulation of an abusive childhood for the rest of their lives
As a Christian, these guys do nothing to make Christianity look mighty. They disgrace my religion. If you’re being abused, get away from the abuser. Don’t endure.
To be fair, every christian out there makes Christianity look bad. Same with every religion btw. This also is not saying non religious people are good, not at all. It just seems evil and ignorance go hand in hand with the religious bunch and yes, this goes for every place on the planet.
Well as a Christian what I was saying is that if a man is abusing his wife, he's not in a marriage. He's in abuse. Jesus says to love you wife as Christ loves the church as he gave himself up for her. That means to go through all the scriptures and handle things the way Jesus would. Jesus wasn't a tyrant, controlling, manipulative, gaslighting idiot. He let people make their choice and taught them. He let people have their freedom to choose. When he threw tables, he threw tables to protect the church. He didn't throw table at the church. So men who abuse their spouses aren't in a marriage. They are in abuse. The women isn't divorcing a marriage. She's leaving abuse. The bible also says women need to respect their husbands. There's no respect for an abuser. A marriage is when a man loves his wife as Christ loves the church as he gave himself up for her and when a woman respects her husband. That's what an actual Christian marriage is. These guys seem to not know what a marriage is according to Jesus.
They forgot that to get married in Christianity you have to make a vow before God to honor, love, and take care of your spouse in sickness and in health, in good times and bad, forever. Abuse is an immediate betrayal of that vow to God and their spouse.
You are all misinformed as to what the podcast is all about it’s about men who want traditional relationships and the women on the podcast are feminists and Charlie just so happened to forget to put that part in.
You can come at these people with every logical reason and they will STILL believe what they believe. It’s so sad and feels so meaningless to even have these conversations with these people.
I feel like anyone who says you should endure abuse in a relationship is very, very likely to be an abuser themselves. My dad used to be an abuser. My mom put up with it for about 10 years before she finally took me and left because it started with him being a deadbeat partner, then he regressed into verbal abuse, and at some point began crossing over into physical abuse, but once he started directing some of the abuse at me, she took me and we left him. So no, you shouldn’t just endure it. You should get out as soon as you have a chance, because staying with an abuser does not help them get better; it just enables them and lets them feel like they can get away with more and more abuse. EDIT: And color me surprised… there’s now evidence that the Endure guy used to hit women.
@@runix3001thanks! Therapy certainly helped. My dad did eventually stop acting like such an asshole, but it took him hitting rock bottom, which started with losing me and my mom. The silver lining of having gone through all of that, though, is that it’s helped me recognize patterns of abuse more effectively and helped me avoid toxic relationships, and has given me major resolve to never treat my partner the way my dad treated my mom.
@@damienalvarez2957 shit man I hope you’re doing okay. I have a pretty similar story with my own dad. Mine never realized his actions, just acted like the victim because he was mentally ill and addicted to opioids. I deal with my own issues, I have sympathy in that aspect, but I’m not abusive to my partner. I’m really glad yours finally realized his abuse. I’ve been NC for over 5 years now but I remember when I did see him, he was constantly in denial. Even got tattoos about it, one even said “wife did it” because my mom had cheated while she was being beat, manipulated, and her daily life tracked 24/7. Abuse is inexcusable. I truly don’t understand the sheer audacity these mfs have to tell people to “endure” abuse of any kind but have near visceral reactions to cheating. Like yea no shit both are terrible but beating your partner or god forbid your children is a literal felony. Truly in shock watching this shit, and it is deeply disturbing that there’s many more men who believe this and many more with a lot of influence
never seen so many braindead men in a room, they got me speechless. the lady asking the questions definitely knew what they were on, she asked the right questions to let everyone know that theyre insane.
Thats why they call it the manosphere, because its a safe space where this wackos can exist without being ridiculized by the whole room. Its like the whole room being elephants and not a single human in sight.
@@uglyrobot1975 You simply don't respect them enough to be worth convincing. I guess the jokes on him, cause he will have to endure the abuse of the internet now
so what, people should continue living their life in constant depression about one event in their potentially 80 years of human life? so we dont encourage them to not let incidents like these define them and not encourage them to continue the pursuit of happiness and being the best they can be? how is that at all beneficial for an abuse victim? we're not saying 'endure, its trivial and unimportant', we're saying 'endure, its not worth staying sad over because there's still so much beauty life can offer you which you should take advantage of'. everyone goes through shit, some worse than others, but who is the happiest is decided by who can get up from a bad situation and create something beautiful. to do with the dudes on the podcast, suit and tie guy and purple shirt i often disagree with. brian and chase i pretty much 100% agree with on most things. i am in support of traditional values and traditional roles of men and women and traditional familial values. i myself am also religious. i believe divorce should be a last resort to solving any problem in a marriage. however, if a relationship does get to a point where one or both parties experience constant abuse/one time abuse, i think a divorce should be done. its not healthy for the mother, father, and especially detrimental for the children if there are any. that being said, some abusive relationships can be avoided if you choose your partners wisely. if people took more responsibility, and took relationships as seriously as they should be taken, then there is less chance of ending up in an abusive relationship. when i say this also, i dont say that abuse victims deserve any abuse they may have received, no one does, im just saying there's a prevention method for this problem. (edit: yes, i stupidly wrote this comment b4 watching the actual video, im sorry about that)
“You have to endure” and then later your spouse is then pronounced dead due to “enduring” the abuse, but divorce is the devil a sin, but going to jail for murder isn’t lmao I’m glad Charlie is pointing it out this lunacy from these boys
and how the concept of divorce for those guys is some type of schrodinger cat kind of shit where doesnt exist for abusive but does existe went the women cheats, tf?!
I’m a man and I was in an abusive relationship for two years. The abuse started almost immediately and I endured it by making up excuses for her and not listening to my friends. It destroyed me. If you’re being hurt by your partner, GET OUT.
A big misconception with the "men can't be abused" arguments is that it doesn't have to hurt to be considered abuse. Just because the man is bigger than his wife doesn't mean that her hitting him isn't abusive or mentally damaging. And it rarely stops with just fists...abusers want to hurt you and they will find a way to cause physical damage to you one way or another.
@@Hifuutorian You guys are no better than the people taking Destiny's points out of context and giving him shit for it too. The man you're referring to is called Chase, and he himself did not condone physical abuse. You're treating all three men as if they're the same person.
@@tronovonflidder775 chase did a lot of evading though. Claimed it was rare, said it was hard to give prescriptions etc, but had immediate answers for third trimester abortions and cheating (they all immediately recommended divorce). I Don't think he did well in this part of the discussion. Literally said 'just a guy getting drunk and beating his wife occasionally' as if it was no big deal lol
its so awful. as a kid who had to watch and sometimes experience the abuse from my father, it is a cycle and sometimes it weans and wanes but never just goes away. and it also manifests in kids different ways too. generational trauma has a play too. all around saddening.
They’re serving undereducated white, cisgender male privileged energy. It’s not cute boys. The guy in black and white looks like a referee but I’d be surprised if anyone in his life allowed him to call the shots.
as someone who grew up around an emotionally abusive relationship… things got a million times better when my parents divorced. the gall to think that divorce is worse for kids than literal abuse is astonishing
I've had a few spatulas fly my way, feels nice for my mom to finally get away from that drunk. One time I was sitting in the living opening a pack of cards, and from the kitchen comes a spatula flying above my head, when he got mad at my step sister.
My mom was also told to endure. So we grew up where arguments are daily, and have a verbally abusive and controlling parent. We all didn't realized the house could be so quiet and peaceful with out him...
same ... many people treat separating from a father figure as a cardinal sin, but my mom gaining custody saved me from so much more than he already put us through, she raised me better alone than he ever would. Glad you got away from that horrible shit
@@DarkHowlerz same my parents finally divorced 3 years ago. which tbh is still a long ass time because the abuse started when i was 10. i was 18 when they divorced.
@dopesickdog every father figure I've have had has been bad, my genetic father is stubborn, my second one being a druggie, and the other one being a bad drunk. Me and my mom are so much better off now that she's found much nicer guy.
They also kicked out another girl halfway through the show just because she didn’t want to talk about her virginity. It was absolutely pathetic how mad they got over that.
@@alena8388 I’m not talking about this specific video, but in general both the men and the girls who go on podcasts like this tend to be completely delusional, narcissistic and entitled.
@@alena8388 I think it talks in general on that show, not for the abuse talk, if you see some clips of the show there are on both sides enough cringe to notice that is just more trash TV format show but on internet.
My dad abused my mother for around 22 years, and he abused my brother as well (by the time i was born he was mostly *very* verbally abusive but still physically abusive at times) My mom left my dad in my freshman year of highschool when i was 14, it was the best fucking thing to ever happen in my life. Parents splitting is no where near as bad as witnessing and going through physical and verbal abuse.
Way too relatable lol. My parents didn't split until I was moved out, but I always wish they did. Instead they just got drunk and beat each other every night lol
yep. i went through something similar except my mother never left him. the damage it does witnessing violence and so much aggression growing up really still effects me and i am 23. i wish she had of left him
Abuse should never be downplayed as it is all too common. In early high school a couple of years ago, I found myself trapped in a physically and verbally abusive relationship that lasted for a year and a half. Over that time, the abuse escalated from cursing and yelling to the point where I was getting hit and even cut. When I finally ended the relationship, my ex acted like the stereotypical "crazy ex." She made multiple accounts to dm me to harass me, stalked me, stole my stuff, hit or yelled at me whenever she saw me at school, and went as far as falsely accusing me of being abusive towards her. I share this so hopefully people understand that abuse doesn't simply vanish or improve over time. For months I hoped that she would change but that never happened. Recognize the early signs of abuse or toxicity in a relationship and take immediate action by ending it. Waiting for the situation to worsen is not an option. Abuse should never be treated lightly. I hope this helped someone especially since it came from a young person.
@@thegrimlooper this is the first time I have ever heard a girl doing this to another girl and I was surprised at first. But after a second thought it just makes sense like these things can happen to anyone and anyone can do this. I hope you are doing well now and they are also far away from your life and you have a happy relationship going forward.
Absolutely, you need to listen to people. I was a pretty buff football player while she was a skinny girl who wasn't involved in any sports. In terms of societal norms that’s kind of an unexpected dynamic. Both y’all stay strong and take care.
@@SSW777 You'd be shocked. You know that "entitlement" feminists accuse men of having non-stop? Well, a whole hell of a lot of lesbians seem to have that same attitude. I've even seen them get mad when bisexual women date men because men are "stealing" them away from women.
@@thegrimlooper Hopefully, I express this thought accurately. One realization that helped me overcome my fear was understanding that I have no control over what she says to others or her actions. I wasted so much time living in constant fear, wondering if she would tell people more lies about me or that I would see her at school and similar situations. While you can’t fully move on from abusive things like this you can choose to move forward, accept that it is in the past, and refuse to let that person have power any longer. I have even forgiven her for the abuse, as strange as it may sound. In a way, I am grateful for what happened because it has shaped who I am today. Of course, ideally, I should have ended the relationship immediately, but I didn't know any better, and that is not my fault. What I am trying to get at here is that every event, moment, and encounter in life contributes to the person you are now and the person you are becoming. Once you allow yourself to heal from the past and break free from the chains that hold you back, you will experience true freedom and become a better version of yourself. You have to remind yourself that they no longer control you, just as you cannot control them. I hope this helps you or someone else in some way.
“Being in an abusive relationship is sooooo unlikely that it’s not even fathomable to consider it, it’s a one in a billion chance basically. On another note I have multiple friends who have been in abusive relationships or had parents who were” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🥰
It's ironic for them to think abuse victims have to "endure" when a lot of victims will indeed try harder and harder to please an abusive partner to make them stop. But it doesn't work; it never works.
THIS! Oh my god I tried so hard to endure and make it work and it just made everything so much worse. I literally forgot what I liked to do or what my hobbies were or what kind of person I was because he acted so annoyed by anything I found joy in and I silenced everything he hated about me. The years it took to find myself again were so hard and I still have a lot of missing pieces 3 years later. I wish I saved myself the grief and just left the second it got bad. It truly never gets better and their definition of love is almost always messed up in some way shape or form
Exactly, never never ever ever. I don't even just mean where one is being abused either even if the relationship is super toxic from both parties it never gets turned around into a healthy relationship. As you say it also especially never does if there is one abuser in the relationship.
These clowns don’t comprehend that “enduring” ends in death. My parents had to get divorced bc my dad was going to kill my mom, it was never going to end. The victim can’t fix anything so putting that expectation on them is such a mindf*ck
I remember asking my Priest about abusive marriages when we talked about the marital sacrament and he said that if there is genuine abuse you should immediately separate and get out of there. Marital duties are real, but its important that people don't start thinking that its a marital duty to endure genuine abuse, much less use religion to justify it.
Even in theories where people think married couples should stay together. There is almost always immediate, temporary separation while the abuser has strict guidelines to adhere to as they seek counsel and redeem themselves. I still dont give a fuck and think everyone should dip if they get hit, but nobody literally demands you stick it out with any sense in their head
@@alexbaucom5432 If he was a Catholic priest, that is what the Catechism states. The Church has made this very clear on abuse and ironically cheating isn't grounds for a divorce in the Church, unless there is a clear pattern that the spouse is not able to be faithful, then you can't divorce within the Church for cheating
My friends husband was the definition of emotional abuse and even sexual abuse, but he never hit her. He graphically described to her how he would kill her if she tried to leave him for another man. She left him that night. And I am so proud of her. Her whole family told her she was being dramatic and it was a sin to leave your husband. She told them about him literally threatening to end her life and her dad said to her, “ok but he’s never even hit you so that’s not abuse” this dude had a stockpile of knives and various weapons in their home. He had means and opportunity and now expressed motive. If that isn’t a reason for leaving a freakin marriage I don’t know what is.
Just because some hadn't done it isn't a good thing. If there's a chance, and the sicko expresses that they have considered doing such, that's definitely when you should run for the hills! *DONT WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!* *THERE IS ALWAYS CRACKS BEFORE THE SHATTER*
why are some parents such control freaks when it comes to who THEIR CHILD wants to be with for the rest of their life?? it should be a decision based on the child's love and trust in a partner, not what the parent "thinks is best for them". that shit is so annoying
For those who don’t know: Victims of abuse are often the last ones to realise they’re being abused. And often they blame themselves for it because they’ve been manipulated into thinking it’s their fault. If you tell an abuse victim they’re being abused during the period of abuse alot/most of them won’t believe it or they’ll make up excuses for their abusers.
Good comment but something to point out is that most abusive relationships are mutually abusive which means both partners start physically or emotionally abusing their partners at different times. People typically date those who are the male and female versions of themselves, toxic people date other toxic people. The reason some good men and good women end up with shitty people is because those abusers seemed really nice in the beginning. It’s ridiculous how some people victim blame as if the victims should have known, as if the abusers were abusive on the first date.
Another day, another devaluation of the word trauma, remember when trauma used to mean things like going through WWI, seeing people blown apart every day, or losing your entire family, or watching a loved one being tortured. Now it's literally just "someone punched me" "someone calls me bad names" "I'm unhappy with my body image" "someone touched my pp" But that's the culture of victimhood these days.
My girlfriend used to emotionally abuse me (i'm a man), i tried enduring it at first hoping it would pass. Eventually I ended up removing her from my life completely. Currently, I'm 4 years into an awesome relationship with the best girl ever. It works out so well because we are supportive, attentive and understanding to eachother. Don't endure, just move on.
The realest thing Charlie said during this video “ we’ve cultivated this culture online where every topic has to be an argument even the most simple topics” a product of the podcast culture that is continually growing
is this why western kids are more disrespectful than kids in non western countries who are actually disciplined? In my country growing up I was hit a lot even more in school by teachers than at home and i turned out fine. We all did. I come to the west and see how disrespectful most young people are to elders and their parents
“you have to endure” this guy knows a lot about that the way everyone around you has to endure your presence, being in the same room as this guy is abuse within itself.
That brings up the question; what constitutes as “abuse”, and there’s verbal and physical and emotional abuse, should one instance of any of those be grounds for divorce?
so im a male, my ex partner used to slap often and only when she tried pushing me down stairs did i leave. male abuse is real and im not weak for leaving
My father is a victim of abuse by his own wife since they met. I had to see my dad getting his neck cut open by my step mom with a box cutter when I was a young child. It was fucking traumatizing for me. Edit: When my mom broke up with my dad because he cheated on her, I was 8 years old. And, for a whole week of my dad not coming back home, I stopped acting like a human. Basically, I stood in front of the front door, waiting for my dad to come back for hours and hours per day for a whole week. I became a dog whos waiting for it's owner to come back. It literally broke me and my mind. I developped DID cus of it. Just a simple thing of my dad cheating on my mom and my mom breaking up with him also broke me. I became an animal, not a human. I only reacted when it was time for food, nothing else. Thats how much it affected me..
They continuously interrupt her and she lets them, yet she listens when they spoke, and when she does speak while they're speaking they start telling her to listen. They see themselves as having the higher opinion and don't want to open up to other ideas and views, which is upsetting. Having an open mind is important to having a debate. Edit: I feel as though they likely have some history of abuse, mentally at the least. the way they talk about how abuse should be endured, and then suddenly if the woman cheats they think divorce is alright is incredibly sickening. Abuse is somehow not as bad as cheating? I'm curious as to what their answer would have been had it been about a guy cheating on the woman.
Honestly? I think abuse might hurt some people less than cheating. Depends on the kind, severity and your own baggage. I mean shit, I'd rather have my gf try and gaslight me than cheat on me, for example. But that's as a hypothrtical "if you had to choose, which would you rathwr take?", not which one makes someone a bigger pos for doing lmao
My dad would go in cycles when I was younger. Eventually when he realized no matter how he acted my mom would stay the cycles stopped and turned into full-time abuse. I no longer have contact with either of my parents because my dad never changed and my mom always stayed and genuinely believed it was normal and healthy for a relationship. She told me it was just my dad's way of reliving stress of their marriage. I've been married for 5 years and neither me or my partner have ever even raised our voices at each other. It blows me away how much people try to normalize abusive relationships nowadays.
My dad did that too. Mom would say he was going through a 'dry drunk' phase. Found out years later that he was just high on meth all the time. And that made him paranoid and abusive. I should have known when his nasal spray orders were being confiscated at the border. But, when you're a kid you don't want to think that your parents are doing crap like that.
@@EveTheRaviolo Getting into arguments doesn't make a relationship unhealthy, it means you have two people who happen to have gotten emotional about something at the same time that they might not have agreed on. Maybe they are lying, maybe they aren't, but an argument doesn't make a relationship bad
As a kid who’s parents were abusive (to each other) and divorced, I can FIRMLY and confidently say that abuse is 110% a reason to divorce. My dad divorced my mother because she was abusive, but he got drunk and hit her too. I witnessed most of it. It was better that they split up instead of me having to continue to go through that.
Yeah I'm pretty sure if my mother had 'endured' her relationship with my dad then he could have ended her life during one of his violent attacks. Her leaving him was the best thing that happened as I grew up from the age of 7 without feeling scared anymore
You're one of the lucky ones. Mine had the same thought process as these id1ots, she's a hardcore toxic Christian and didn't want to divorce him no matter how much he beat us up, the kids, not her. So much trauma, random anxiety attacks and panic attacks in adulthood now. And for what? Fvxk these cults and these cult leaders. I hope you and your mom are in a better position tho.
Well it wasn't the best thing to do since you wrote this comment. I think your father was right and he should have disciplined you by stretching you bussy
Good for her man. Idk what these guys were on about as men killing their spouses/partners is incredibly common to the point where if a women is murdered, their partner is who is most likely to be the one who did it. These guys are awful
"It was a phase." Ah yes, those brief few months in everyone's life where we all just decide to physically and/or mentally beat up our partners, and then never do it again. It's just like puberty, its just a time in our lives that we all go through and then never experience again.
God don't you hate those moments , where you wake up in the morning and have the instinctual desire to beat the crap out of the person sleeping next you
As a kid of extremely abusive and enabling parents, this shit pisses me off to no end. I've been "enduring" this abuse for years, but it only gets worse. I've also been in abusive relationships and told by "friends" to "endure", but thankfully, I was able to leave them. Fuck anyone who says you should accept abuse in any relationship. Leave and never look back if you can.
Not to mention abuse in childhood follows you for the rest of your life. There's only so much and adolescent can endure before they get pushed to the limit and want to take their own lives (speaking from experience) I wonder what they would have to say about s**ual ab*se! Should people endure that as well... I could not ever imagine having that twisted mindset.
A summarization: 1. Divorce isn't a real thing 2. If a partner is being abused, they need to stay and endure violence 3. BUT...if the woman cheats, THEN divorce becomes a real thing, and then that's the only circumstance to leave. The fuck is going on?!?! Are these mfers from the year 1679?
Some people look to ancient philosophers like the stoics of Rome or great thinkers from past centuries like Kant or Nietzsche for wisdom on how life can be lived in a fulfilling way that benefits everyone. These guys read a biography of King Henry VIII to get their inspiration.
My dad's mom was very abusive. He doesn't like to go into it, but she was very mentally challenged and took it out on her family. My dad and his 4 siblings agreed to cut her out of their lives, but one of them still keeps in touch with her for the most part. I have never met her, and I don't think I ever will.
Telling an abuse victim they have to “just endure” is like telling a recovering coke addict that they have to “just finish the bag”
Bro what
Didn’t think id see you here lol, just saw your last habitations video too haha
*haminations
The bag always gets finished, addict or not.
What?!?! A coke head would be so happy to finish a bag of coke so idk what comparison you're trying to make....
Edit she added the word recovering because it didn't make sense before so stop trying to explain it to me now
"Brooo why is everyone sooo sensitive, just endure abuse from your partner for the rest of your life"
- definitely not abusive guy
You can tell he didnt even believe that, his eyes lit up as he saw the chance to go viral for saying something idiotic which 13 year old boys will perceive as 'alpha'
Are any of these guys even married or in a relationship?
Also them
"But as soon as a woman cheats, you have to leave because the bible says so, so it's worse than abuse 😡"
@@deadams8905 I watch some clips of them and from what I see most of them arent. The guy 2nd to the left, i think his name is Chad, said one time that he expects a virgin as his future wife but he isnt a virgin himself. But he didnt have sex the last few years to save himself for marriage so that counts for him apparently. In general they have so many double standards and for the most part they just invite stupid women to their podcasts so they can shit on them.
when you think about it that is kinda how an abusive person thinks about it, they usually think they're just having the appropriate reaction and the other person deserves their behavior, they don't think of themselves as bad people.
I've gotten drunk and hammered before and never thought to myself "damn, my wife kinda looking like a...punching bag" these dudes are delusional.
@@skellybonz5467 😂
@@skellybonz5467 if that’s the case I’m putting on brass knuckles
@@KetchupColoredKnife real talk tho I love using brass knuckles to cheat in gta online fist fights😈(I’m evil)
Well unfortunately there are pieces of shit that do that. But there also a lot of Situations where it’s a 2 way street of toxic behavior. It happened one time with my parents and it never happened again. Now I don’t think In the real world
You should never give the benefit of the doubt, but they worked
It out and it never happened again they been together for a long time and would Do anything for each other. So I do think there are rare situations where it is more nuanced. Keep
In mind I’m talking about them just beating each other brutally.
@@skellybonz5467Of course not, beat your wife whenever you want
My aunt was murdered in front of her children by her abusive spouse. Would love to hear their excuse for it.
I'm sorry that this happened to you hope you're doing well
I'm so sorry 💔
Just endure it?🙄
Jokes aside im so sorry for that
@Rockyismydog7 hey, we know it was that puppy that typed the joke and not you. You're excused but not that insensitive doge.. 🐕😡
Their excuse would be something like "she should have known better" or "she should have picked a better man". Anything to absolve the man (or men in general) of any fault and push that on to the woman in question
Imagine being a father and able to look at your abused daughter and say "just endure"
Fr, that's just disgusting
or just any woman lol
I’m not gonna lie destiny’s dumb wife made these people look dumb. You know there dumb if she makes them look dumb.
@@abiswxllow1934 The reason most men understand the gravity of these situations is by making it personal to them. Sad but at least it helps some of them to think and reflect.
I can my dad basically did treat me like that and it was so hard to even tell him. He was like well I was abused too. Like no he was very likely the instigator from what I can tell
i never thought leaving an abusive relationship would be a hot topic question to debate about… this is depressing.
It's not. Don't let this bafoons make you think it is. They are the minority
don't be upset by it. They are either idiots or they are looking for attention. Regardless of what they actually think, the only reason it is getting attention is because its a stupid and ridiculous opinion
yeah :c
Depressing is not doing the will of God. Jesus has many times said to endure abusers. Once he said that whoever divorces one for any reason other than prostitution is a sin.
The problem Is not being divorced,the problem Is the motherfucker killing the pair even with restriction perder and things
The fact that they were so quick to say someone should divorce after cheating, but not when you’re getting abused reveals a lot about their character.
They’re so defensive when abuse was brought up because they probably are abusive themselves.
@@MeMe-tw4xb Most likely, or they have abusive thoughts about their partner/women in general.
They must be right wingers
@@Joaopereira-dh3dw Broad brushstroke, You must be a Sith since you deal in absolutes.
@@Joaopereira-dh3dwI mean, they are like a red pill podcast so absolutely
I can’t remember who said it but it was a cop talking about abuse, and i heard it while In an abusive relationship and it scared me so much I started telling my friend about the abuse. He said (paraphrasing) “ if they’re willing to verbally abuse you they are willing to physically abuse you. If they’re willing to physically abuse you they are willing to kill you” . Abuse escalates if it’s not addressed.
exactly someone died this way from accumulated damage and died in the hospital
Yes if person has no remorse about abusement it will escalate
❤
Exactly if someone pushes you too if the push you it's to see how far your willing to let them go
It definitely never fades away and blooms into harmony that's for damn sure.
Bro imagine building up the courage to finally tell someone your husband is beating tf outta you and you go tell your dad and he’s like “deal with it stop being so soft. He”ll stop eventually, it’s just a phase” 😭😭😭 some people just don’t need to have kids
zoomers should never have been born millineals should not have been allowed children without government tests and intervention. Millennials where the worst most degenerate unfit generation to ever exsit in society. Millennials have had no positive impact on the world at all. their children are basicly parasites who are futher destroying the world.
55 years ago this was a pretty average response if you want me to be blunt. Keeping the family together was important ABOVE people's happiness, that's unhealthy. Problem in today's society, people end a marriage over arguments (mind you we are just talking about arguing not anything physical because once its physical IMO THAT'S WHEN YOU LEAVE) and claim that is abuse, ignoring the trauma your kids will get from a broken home (if you don't have kids thou if your constantly arguing then you really didn't know each other IMO and never should have tied the knot).
All kids deserve to have parents but not all parents deserve to have kids, that's just how it is sadly.
@@strykrpinoy "It was normal in the past" is not a good justification for anything, really. Parents provide the model for relationships to their children. If that relationship is not healthy, even just at an emotional level, it will have lasting effects on the kids abilities for form their own healthy relationships. "Keeping it together for the kids" is a dated mentality for a reason, there isn't really any data that suggests its worthwhile.
@@strykrpinoy This is a much more reasonable argument than the one they made in the podcast but at the same time not everything can be set in stone.
As a son who’s biological father beat my mother to a hospital bed. I’m really surprised she left and didn’t just “endure”.
Sorry about that man. Hope everyone’s fine
My mom's ex pile drove her into the dirt fuckin driveway outside our house AFTER they had been broken up for over three weeks and he started an argument on their way home from their favorite bar. Full on picked her up and slammed her shoulders first into the ground. Dudes like your dad and my mom's ex should not be anywhere near other human beings.
sorry. These podcasters are t he most shealthered kids known to man.
You're welcome
a woman in my family has been on an abusive relationship for about 17 years. she hasn't divorced because of her children. her older kid grew up to be a total pos, and is very evident that the younger one, who i love very much, is going on the same path. it breaks my heart thinking what their lives would've been like if she had just divorced her. but she should just endure it, i guess.
"Don't be a quitter, find an excuse to keep going!" - my therapist regarding my gambling addiction
Nice joke 10/10
just remember: 80% of all gambling addicts quit right before making it big
@@echodec this is so fucked lmao
@@echodec bruh lmao
@@echodec Thanks, i was about to give up but i'll continue with more energy now
The fact they think cheating is too far but not abuse says alot, desperately clinging to power and control obviously.
These trad-con fundamentalist Catholics are frightening. They give a bad name to all the chill Catholics out there.
Surprise surprise one of them, I can’t remember which one but I think it’s the guy in the middle who looks like a 20 yr old who looks 35, was exposed as an abuser. These guys are pieces of sh!t
If your beliefs conflict with the idea of ending an abusive relationship, you got to re-evaluate them
@peppyyoz get out. nobody cares.
@@InstagramUser2 Only Instagram users speak gibberish.
@Pepperman [YFGA] your mom xposes me shaftling
I don’t even think most Catholics would agree with their statements
today everything is "abuse" "oh, he was so abusive and toxic" = 99% of the time made up BS and excuse to leave the relationship
He literally called women who have endured trauma "nut bags." Then the sreenshots of him admitting to numerous counts of assault against various women surfaced. Soo basically he wants to abuse women and then call THEM nutbags for living through it.
I knew he probably abuses his partners. He is just trying to justify his own shit
Crazy how much dirt you can find on a person when they slip up that bad live 😭
@@leocuatepotzo5225Self snitching is a thing. People become too comfortable on the internet and share too much.
that sounds about right
The venn diagram of men who hand-wave abuse, and men who commit abuse, is a circle
As someone who went through seeing their mom get divorced, cheated on, and abused, the abusive part was easily the worst and seeing her divorce him was the greatest.
THIS
SAME. My dad would go on these “divorce brings nothing good” rants but wouldn’t put any energy into changing 💀
I haven’t seen him in almost a year but I finally no longer fear he’ll kill us in our sleep.
He who divorces someone for any reason other than prostitution commits adultery. According to the Lord that is a sin. What's so great about that?
Sorry both of you had to live with and hope y’all are good now 🙏🏾
@@billykoyrtzis981”he”. males and females usually have different roles in marriage, and are supposed to in the bible.
This rlly pisses me off cause I knew a victim of abuse who tried to “endure”. She married an abusive guy, the cops would be called to their house all the time, and she always declined to press charges cause she “knew he was good on the inside”. Everybody told her to leave, she didn’t listen. Then one day he got drunk and got so mad at her that he picked up an empty whiskey bottle and smashed it on her head which killed her. I hate that guy for saying “just endure” when you can get killed by your abusive significant other
Yes I total agree with u dude is a jack ass for saying that. On the other hand it’s also the females fault (not talking about ur friend at all because I have friends that have been victims as well) for staying in the relationship when they have a way out. I know some females that stay it’s because the man perty much starts making her cut out people from her outside world so she ends up being isolated. And then after he gets her isolated is when he starts hitting her and she fells like there no way out he’s the one who pays the bills his house and she just fells stuck and that she has to accept it. I fell bad for woman that are in that situation. Then there’s other females that will get hit and stay because they fell like oh it was just one time and then it keeps happening and they have people that would help them and instead of saying anything they try to hide it and when other people find out they take the guys side saying oh well it’s not his fault I shouldn’t have done this and that and it’s not all the time and I love him he’s really good person it was just a mistake. Then there’s the ones who say something and then there bros or there friends beat the guy up and the next week there together again. And time goes on and same thing happens and dude gets beat up then they back together like nothing happend. The females that have the opportunity to walk away from that type of relationship and stay are part of the problem tho because them staying only hightens the chance for some worse to happen. I had to beat people up a lot and then just to see them back together really pissed me off we’re I just said never again. But if I see any man hiting a girl in front of me I’ll hit him because I just don’t like seeing that type of shit. But I am sorry to hear that about ur friend no one deserves to be hit by there significant other or no other person but exspecially the person ur with. that’s the person ur spose to count on to make sure ur safe. I was just talking in general my oppion regarding d.vs.
@@Guero677 Dude, everything about this comment is a red flag. Just stop being an abuse apologist.
@@Guero677you’d have to understand that domestic abuse also involves psychological abuse…the victim’s mind has literally been altered to the point where they do NOT have a way out at all. It’s not as simple as saying “just leave” since the victims themselves believe their abuser could still be good or “its just a one time thing” even if it happens over and over again.
@@pensandshakers abuse apologist. I’m actually against abuse in any type of way. Is that what because I’ve actually seen each one of those situations and scenarios play out in real life. So yea don’t know wat u talking about.
@@Hanabi_Han no I get that I’m not saying just leave sorry if that’s how it’s coming out. But that’s y I wrote different situations that I personally seen and how they played out. I know it’s not as easy as just leaving at the drop of a dime. And in no way am i making excuses for that behavior my ex used to get beat bad by her ex. And she was petty much just a broke down person so I know exactly wat u mean. But every one has to figure it out on their own I guess. But I’m saying there do be females that have the means to leave the abuse they have family support and outside help and I understand that it may still be hard but they got to get out of there if he hits her once he gonna do it again. Everytime
My father told me a story from his job that relates to this topic. There was an elderly gentleman (in his late 70s) who came to the attention of the authorities after a health checkup. He had bruising and welts all over his legs, thighs and groin. At first he made up a variety of excuses and lies before eventually breaking down in tears and telling the truth. His wife, who travelled everywhere with him when he left the house always kept a set of pliers with her. If he did something to irritate or annoy her she used the pliers to grab the skin of his legs and violently twist. She even had a set in their car for that specific purpose. He had been married to this woman for over 50 years. Every time I hear someone surprised or shocked that men can and are abused in relationships this story comes to mind. Noone should EVER stay in an abusive relationship and the statement "Just endure!" makes me feel physically sick.
Oh my god that’s so fucking sad, poor man. I hope he’s doing okay now or was able to leave. He deserves to be happy and not fearful of the one who’s supposed to love him more than anyone else
I genuinely teared up. That poor man ! What kind of disgusting evil you have to be to do something that vile. Hope she was put in jail atleast ?
Am from India , so I have seen abuse in my own family Ofcourse but the absolute horrendous was that occurred in my servant quarters (we have one servant’s family live in the back rooms of our home). This man used to regularly beat the woman who was our helper. The man was unemployed and wasted all her earnings and one time when she refused, he took the hot rod (used for boiling water) and stuck it on her thigh. The absolute scream was animalistic. Not just that, he didn’t remove that rod it for quite some time. Her skin melted off, her thigh was blackened and pus formed when I saw it
@@Lemonpie167 may he rot for his actions
That's absouletly awful 💔
Turns out the "endure" guy is abusive, shocker
Wait seriously?
@@ricardo3011 Aba N Preach did a video on MLD. Reddit also has stories about him
wow so shocked.
Literally not surprising at all
So you mean to tell me that the guy who told people to endure abuse is abusive himself?😱😱😱
Yeah not surprising at all😂
"abuse is rare"
12 seconds later, essentially, "If you're being abused, it's not special. Endure and don't be a quitter. You'd have to be a pretty special person to be worthy of not being abused"
And "I knew lots of people in abusive households...""
They really just be making shit up as they go lol
I really love how you pointed out the contradiction so clearly
They said suddenly becoming abusive is rare, not that abuse is rare.
@@stickman787 how is “becoming abusive’ rare but abuse in itself isn’t rare 😭
Yeeeees!!! Finaly someone told that
"everyone just gives up" MY BROTHER IN CHRIST THERE IS A HOLE IN THE WALL NEXT TO MY HEAD
Window
Literally 😭😭😭
I honestly just got divorced (April 28th) because of an abusive marriage. I am male. This was honestly the most hysterical crap I've heard in a while. Thanks for bringing this to light charlie lol.
Edit: HOLY CRAP THIS BLEW UP. to all asking if I'm in a better situation, yes I am thank you! This means a lot more to me than you all think. I've been pretty broken ever since it all started and I'm trying to piece myself back together. I've dealt with the abuse for almost 5 years and that shit changes you as a person. Thank you all for being so supportive and caring! I've put a lot of effort into rebuilding myself. I've finally landed a stable job I like (ride mechanic at a Major theme park), I've put a lot of effort into my twitch stream hobby and finally hit affiliate (come on by if you want I'm CasBasko on there too), things have been looking up this year and seeing all these people (2.1k likes?! Holy shit!!!) rooting for me really put things into perspective. I've blamed myself for everything that's happened to me for years. I somehow thought it was all my fault. It means so much to see you all here, thank you ❤️
i hope you're in a safer situation now. best of luck.
congrats and best of luck to you
Congrats!! I hope things have been going well since then. Abused men are all too often overlooked but I’m glad there’s increasing awareness. Really happy for you.
Men are abused more then women
Good for you
telling an abuse victim to “just endure” is like bringing an epileptic to a disco party
And saying “just don’t focus on the colors” like what
😂😂😂
I understand the metaphor but isn't there medication for epileptics?
@SlimThief what does that have to do with the metaphor
the thing is, all it takes to be an "abuse victim" these days is just saying you were abused cause you got yelled at one time. Its a joke and the amount of dummies crying abuse but didnt actually go through it are just making it worse for the real victims. Disgusting.
I am a male and was in a 5 year abusive relationship (i was abused). We got divorced about a year ago and its was the best thing we could have done. The fact that anyone could think of continuing an abusive marriage/relationship just shows how stupid and immature they are.
It’s sad you had to clarify you were abused because a few people would definitely might have thought it was you
Fr. They're grown men with 5 year old mentalities.
I don't think you needed to specify that you were abused.
Nobody is like "i was in an abusive relationship, and i always enjoyed beating my partner"
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@@amanbirbthe4th967 im sorry i dont think i shouldve laughed at this LMAO
My husband was extensively abused by his ex. She would stop him from sleeping, hit him, force him to watch her send her nudes to other people, and force herself on him. She would hit their children and threaten him that she would hurt them if he didnt do what she wanted. She isolated him by spreading lies to his family and friends and would threaten him by saying she would make false statements to the police. She was aided by his military leadership who told him he needed to "man up" and work it out.
This lasted for years until his mother saw the abuse first hand and he was able to divorce her.
It was an extremely messy divorce and he and his children experienced a lot of things they shouldn't have dealt with and it all came down to people not believing a man can be abused and that you should always try to stay with your partner.
That mentality is dangerous and outright wrong.
I hope your hubby is doing okay. Terribly sorry he went through that. I know I'm some random dick online, but tell him that this anon thinks he's one of the strongest men ever to come out of that. The scars left on his heart are real, and it's totally okay that he works through that trauma and heals however he needs to and for as long as he needs to.
Also I hope his bitch ex got locked up, though I sadly doubt it.
When she threaten to hurt children he had every right to eliminate the threat.
honest take
if i lose everything because a women makes false claims like this about me, i swear to god himself those claims won't be false anymore, ive got nothing to lose so ill show them what would happen to her if i really abused her
@@qseit5140frfr I mean they sell cameras if u just put up a couple cameras that she couldn’t see so u could capture some of the abuse so u can use that when u eliminate the threat. Saying I have proof of the abuse I was going to make a report but I wanted to make sure I had evidence that was undeniable because she’s made threats to make false accusations on me. So I wanted to make sure I had enough proper evidence but she came at me with blank so I had to defend myself. Because yea no way am I gonna allow my son to be abused by anyone. That’s just how I think about the situation. I have a son and he’s my lil dude and I couldn’t imagine standing by while anything bad happing to him.
@boostedrival5505 That still isn’t a good mentality to have, man. Also pls don’t blasphemy. But yeah, it’s infuriating, but you don’t need to drag yourself to their level of depravity. Unless she actually does something truly irredeemable I don’t think it’s worth it.
The guy in the blue suit was arrested in Japan for hitting a woman with a bottle because she rejected him. He then bragged about hitting women in group chats.
Did that just happened? If so for a man he's a disgrace.
Well color me surprised...
wtf is wrong with him
Bragging about hitting people who are naturally more fragile than him 🙄 that's like me bragging about hitting old people if I'm a deranged asshole
Can you send a link?
I want to read about this, and also share the information to a friend of mine.
Telling "just endure" to abuse victims is like telling "just breathe" to an asthma patient
Lmao fr just like telling someone thats in a coma “just wake up”😂
I'd argue "just endure" is the same as telling an Asthma patient to "just stop breathing"
But the main difference is, in the case of the abuse victim, leaving the situation is actually on the table as an option. Although even if they do leave, the trauma can indeed be permanent.
Saying just buy a house to a homeless person
I have depression, pls help me. - Therapist: "sure, just endure"
Definitely the best solution to all our problems
the fact they keep calling it "an extreme 1% example" makes me so mad, abuse is so so common and the fact they don't believe that is so awful
The highest cause of death for pregnant women is murder
Domestic violence is literally in 1in4 intimate relationships. In California 20% of all police calls are for domestic violence. It’s like the entire manosphere sub genre is just “being ignorant” the podcast 💀
@@bot4hire202 Considering women commit around 70-80% of non-reciprocal domestic abuse, you'd think they'd spend as much time researching and leaning on the subject as possible. The fact they could be so ignorant on a subject that benefits their point blows my mind.
1% is pretty common anyway, 1 person out of 100 would mean at least 20 kids at my school are being abused, so yeah, they brain dead
@@TzavaotI can’t take any man that gets abused by his wife/gf seriously and I’m not even a red-piller. I have twice/thrice her strength, what is she gonna do? 😄
Do you know what happens when you endure an abusive relationship? You get put in a suitcase still alive telling your significant other to please let you out while they mock you from the outside, go upstairs and go to bed while you sit there and suffocate to death.
I heard about this case and it’s so haunting to me. May he rest in peace.
Yeah, she was nuts
did not expect a reference to that case here
I swear I remember this- what case was this,???
@@V1DE0-STARZ Sarah Boone The Suitcase Killer.
It's crazy how determined they are to embarrass themselves online
Yet they get paid for it and here u are making 0 dollars talkin about them lmao
These shows are just a bunch of stupid people trying to sound intellectual, i love it.
@@NeuroDrags 🍪
@@NeuroDrags You are so right my G, I'm not thinking about paper enough. Alright, every 5 dollars I get I'll say something misogynystic
@@NeuroDrags Bro if you think they're making more than minimum wage for even a third world country standard you are cracked
My father broke a door down trying to get to my mother, sister, and I. My mother got stuck under the door trying to block it. It broke her collar bone, shoulder, and bruised her face to her foot.
The reaction from a specific aunt on my mothers side disgusts me to this day, and she has never apologized. My mother called her that night for help. My aunt told her “you shouldn’t have picked a fight” and then hung up….I don’t speak to this aunt anymore
I have a similar situation, especially with those kinds of aunts. I’m so sorry
wow that must have been very traumatising for all of you, awful of that aunt to say that too, I'm sorry yall went through that!
The hardest part growing up after my mom getting us away from my abusive dad was realising how many adults, especially adult family memebers knew we were being physically abused and literally did nothing and didn't even help us leave, realising that brought a lot of hurt back after years of just holding it in. Fuck any adult defending abuse and I'm glad you've cut your aunt out of your life, she doesn't deserve to be in it if that is her views! (sorry for any bad spelling, 2nd language andy over here)
@@lishanimations9852 oh wow..this hits close to home, when you have family that knows but does nothing. I grew up in a very similar situation..im sorry you didn’t have anyone. The healing process is terrible at first but worth it, please go no contact with those who hurt you so terribly. They don’t deserve your presence. I hope you are doing very well now compared to them friend
How about opening the door next time? Women ...
@ENZA DENINOS POOSAY stfu. the only woman who's ever even been around u was ur mom and that was because she was obligated to 😂😂
The first words out of this man's mouth... "Divorce is not a thing.." I'm legitimately speechless that in an age with so much knowledge and information widely available we still have people like this.
That guy's a theocrat. He meant "according to my religion" or "in the eyes of God you are always married to that person." Obviously in reality marriage is just an agreement and you literally can break the agreement, and stop being married
@@darkhorse381BS cope
@@darkhorse381 also good to note that not all religious people believes divorce is not a thing
@goldengucci2275 As a Christian myself, I can confirm this. God, in no way, tolerates abuse. It's a sin to do so. It's even right there in the Bible, clear as day, "Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them,". If someone is physically abusing their spouse, they've dishonored their wife, and their marriage, which dishonors God. Disrespectful on all accounts. Divorcing an abusive spouse is absolutely necessary in those situations, especially if they refuse to shape up, you have children or both.
@@nateb917your name is literally Nate
As someone who grew up with a father who mentally and physically abused my mother (and myself as well), cheated on her, and then both parents got divorced AND REMARRIED, I can say with concrete conviction that “just enduring” is not only dangerous, but could be a death sentence. My father did unspeakable things to my mother, and then, because we was not stopped and my mother did not leave him (yet) he continued and then proceeded to carry out that abuse onto me as well. These guys need to reassess how they speak to human beings. I’d also like to tackle “divorce is worse than abuse”. This is, and I say this with confidence, one of if not THE single most lobotomized response I could imagine. That is like arguing that robbery is worse than genocide. I pray to Christ that the women these men are involved with are protected by God.
Those girls did such a good job of asking questions to let the guys show everyone how stupid and horrible they are. Every follow up question they just dug a deeper and deeper hole for themselves and the girls barely needed to add anything. Impressive
For real. I dare say, a bit of an epic prank on behalf of the ladies LOOL
There is a saying about giving enough rope... Looks like the hosts followed through on it flawlessly. What an absolute clown, but that's too nice, it will be a good day when they get taken down for being outed as abusers themselves.
Hold on there, they might have messed up on this question, as in, there ain’t no way you gotta endure physical abuse, however, any challenges in a marriage, yes, you gotta endure those, but from I gather, they usually invite OF hoes to clown on.
@@davep5698 giving someone enough rope to hang themselves is a form of art, really
@@Owlmare No one has to endure anything...Not even when it comes to marriage. That is up to everyone's personal preference whether they want to endure the situation at hand or not. To say "any challenges in a marriage, you gotta endure" is foolish.....This can be a very damaging mindset to have. In no way, do you have to endure anything you aren't willing to, as that can lead to lowering your own standards and goals. WHICH is ok to do BUT only if you WANT to.
“You want to marry a lobotomized sex doll” that perfectly describes these “alpha” dudes 💀
Does that actually sound bad to you guys
@@RiverRat6996 obviously?
Pffft its because they can't pull L mans not getting no play
They wouldn't even be happy with that. They are not happy people. They hate anything feminine, they believe they're superior to it. Putting women down is the only thing that will actually get them off.
@@RiverRat6996you want to marry that lol?
How the women managed to stay there without dying of cringe is amazing.
They must be paid to be there. Because if not, they'd all just get up and leave.
@@fishy0929they deffo get paid, maybe not destiny because this will get him attention but the women absolutely got paid.
she did die
she was just ENDURING
@@fishy0929I imagine they aren't the smartest and are just there to get a few more followers
@@iHomelessMonkey My God, to have to be there and not even get paid, but just for some extra followers. Why torture themselves like that!?
This is one of those moments where you just sit back and say "hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?"
Argument is officially dead at that point.
My father had ‘phases’ of abuse where he would be more abusive and then less abusive. Notice how I said he never stopped abusing. He just knew when to stop being EXTRA abusive to gaslight my mom into staying. She immediately left when she realized he was also mistreating me.
Same situation here. They still married though but man I can still see how miserable both of them are and still we the sons and daughters are affected by it till today.
You are correct, the abuse never stops. My grandmother escaped her abusive husband, and cut out ties with his family members who told her to endure it. Her sister escaped hers when her husband died. Whoever says victims should endure, are often abusers themselves, who dont want to admit to their own behavour . Sounds like those podcast guys have abused someone before. Someone with a clean conscience wont have trouble saying abuse is wrong.
You mom is so dumb. Doesnt she know the marrige needs to immediately end if theres any abuse??? Maybe she should watch this video
What I will say is, the abuse my dad gave us did stop after the divorce, but only after years of therapy, which is often times not going to be a thing people end up getting, let alone men, let alone Narcissistic people.
It sometimes does stop, this is more common in relationships where the person can leave easier than a wife with kids could. Or at least from the perspective of the abuser, its always difficult to leave regardless if you have kids or not. Just want to make that clear.
But the classic love bombing, acting good and pretending you care but then abusing you when they’re sure you aren’t gonna leave again. Its not always blatantly abusive, they can even seem completely changed. Thats how abuse victims always come back. And why they get stuck in that cycle
When charges were laid against my father and we went to trial, my family showed up and stood with him. Afterwards my own grandmother said to me “ how can you put your father in jail?” I just looked at her and said “ I didn’t, he did”
I broke the circle of abuse that occurred for generations and I would never tell someone to just “endure” 😡
I hope your father gets out and finds you. I really hope and I hope that he will make your belly swell after pumping you full with white milk. What you did is absolutely despicable
and how long do you have to wait for the phase to end and you all go back to normal 😂
That’s very courageous of you
That's a really important comeback. He put himself in prison. You didn't do anything
You did the right thing sadly my mother didn’t go through prison but I did get taken away from her still get shit in my birthday cards like “I miss you” and “I’m sorry” and “I’ve changed” they never change and I’m glad you stopped him
Imagine raising a son and watching him grow up to be one of these alpha male podcasters.
I would call his ass over and tell him to get ready to “endure”; the abuse phase is beginning 🤜🏽🤛🏽
I'd be so disappointed 😂😂
He would be out of the family... He would have a choice immediately. Either stop the BS or he is out of the family.. this is the latest Trump supporter agenda is pushing ending of womens rights to no fault divorce..
someones been watching too much andrew tate@@noelani4101
Dude, how do you think they go that way? Their parents are as worthless as they are.
If I ever met someone who says 'abuse is just part of a relationship' I am staying far far away from them.
That conversation around divorce was so awful. My dad used to beat us. Kicked my mom with the spurs on his boots, choked my sister out, even broke my arm once because he got annoyed with me being a kid and doing kid stuff. According to my mom he was completely normal until he joined the army and returned home from Desert Storm. After that he became insanely physically and mentally abusive. I'm so glad she chose not to stay with him because who knows if it could have gotten worse and wound up with one of us dead. Telling victims of abuse to just stick it out is so disgusting. NO ONE should be made to endure abuse.
To the dudes on this podcast the abuse was still your mother's fault. Never forget that these people are malicious. That to them a man can never do anything wrong unless it's not buy the absolute sh1t they're selling.
@@strayiggytv women tell eachother there perfect even if there fat ur projecting feminism is what ur talking about
@@obama2747 and what is wrong with that exactly why can't they tell each other there perfect how does that effect you how does that compare to telling people to be. Abbused
@@obama2747what are you talking about lmao you just shouted out some talking points that you’ve wanted to say even though they don’t pertain to this
@@obama2747fat acceptance is not the same as abuse acceptance. Gtfo troll
I'm happy there are people like Charlie to call out this bs
100%
same
me too, i watched accidently one of those jerks podcasts and the amount of brain damage argument ( not even one ) they give is hot boiling like how mysogenistic can u be to think like that ? bruh
I RIPPED ASS so hard goddamn you should have seen me. just start tearing it up in here. CAN'T BREATHE RIGHT NOW ITS STINKY!!! l'm probably going to go blow out the toilet right now god damn Lord have mercy. hate shit in my pants. Life's not fair
@@Anime_Moments_99-p7u FR! How can they even believe what they're saying? This whole thing started with the Chad trend and the "men stop simping" thing tbh, and like feminism, like wokism, like religion, it always starts from something good then it goes way over the top and people start doing or saying stupid shit...
Gotta love the framing of “giving up” when referring to someone divorcing because they’re getting physically abused lol. In fact that almost sounds like textbook manipulation. “Babe, I’m leaving! You’ve hit me 20 time today.” “So what? You’re giving up? I thought you were stronger than that?”
it actually upsets my stomach how horrible and manipulative that is
Like when Steven crowder tells his wife that she gives up to easy and trying everything for her to stay in the house.
Didn't that literally what happened in the leaked video of "change my mind" guy and his wife?
@@RandomStuff404s He looked to be emotionally abusive from the clip alone but not physical to my knowledge
I’ll be honest, I had a similar mindset growing up as a teen. I didn’t want giving up in friendships. I always thought it was possible to make through anything if we were honest and talked it out. I don’t think it’s the same mindset as what these people do, but it did take me years to realize just separating is fine and you can’t - sadly - always make any relationship work.
"divorce is not a real thing" try claiming married on your taxes when you're divorced and find out just how wrong that statement is
I like that divorce is made up but what marriage isn't something humans made up😂
I wanted to add the using "Catholicism" as a excuse is a false preacher.
Annulments are not mistakes and the Catholic church does not encourage abuse the Pope has talked about it a lot and is very against it.
Annulments are for when their is a abuse etc and it's recognized by the Catholic church.
We have horrible people like that dude in the church who are only religious for appearance and excuse.
“Just endure” is like telling a homeless person to just buy a house.
More like telling them to not bother looking for a home, the cardboard box is fine
Yeah you kinda got that backwards
he will say that unironically i'm telling you
nah its worse. its like telling him "its not that bad" 😂
@@jamescooper3739most homeless people aren’t looking for a home tho. they’re looking for $5 so they can buy some crack
Kid : Literally breaks all of his bones from his abusive parent
Walmart Sal : *E N D U R E*
😂😂😂😂 WALMART SAL 💀 💀
Walmart sal is literally such a genius name 😭😭😭😭😭😭
💀💀
2 months later and walmart sal still endures
now lets not forget how RARE this case is, so really yes of course the kid should just get the shit kicked out of him because he's a rare special case and how dare he think his problems matter, what if the parent kills themselves because the kid left, its all about ENDURANCE.
what a fucked up argument, imagine pointing out how rare a scenario is before making the scenario even more rare to justify there points ( in reference to the part where he mentioned how the abuser is probably drunk when he abuses and that makes it ok somehow (which I also don't follow). not all abusers are drunk so therefore he only went and narrowed down the, what the claim, rare scenario in the first place.
The way she ran circles around those dudes and they didnt even realize... hell those dudes are morons. Kudos to her.
Some of the dumbest dudes on earth. This is what happens when certain people want to argue and have a debate on literally everything
she didnt react ! thats why ! she just got them to expose themselves for the ingrates they are
Also the fact that they seem personally defensive as soon as someone mentions “abuse” is a little concerning
“Divorce isn’t real” is a galaxy brain take
Hey now divorce is just as real as marriage
Divorce doesn't exist in a metaphysical sense, is what they were trying to say.
@peppyyozcharlie* 💀
I mean if the man has to pay alimony to the woman then he is still providing for her which he shouldn't because the marriage is over she is no longer his woman to provide for, but states make the man do it. Men should not have to take care of their ex spouse if you want to walk away then don't make me pay for your life anymore. So for some men divorce doesn't exist other than you don't have a romantic side, but she still be taking your money
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Im really happy that someone like Charlie pointed it out. My mom was in abusive marrige with my dad and they got divorced, luckily. Telling someone in an abusive relationship "just push through and endure" is like telling someone with asthma "just breathe"
exactly why charlie is my favorite source of news. ❤
your analogy is the best one I've read in this video's comments. sorry for what you have been through. as a person who grew up with a very abusive father i understand
"BREATHE AIR"
This is why the weak minded and the spiritually dead mock the prophet sent by god himself
Womp womp
My dad hit my mom, my older brother, my grandmother and myself. My parents divorced and I was never more thankful. I want these idiots to be stuck in a simulation of an abusive childhood for the rest of their lives
I watch “alpha male” podcasts but that thing as your dad really needs help and be investigated on.
Your dad was beating the whole bloodline huh
@tyelencolon1228You just have to endure
They would never understand because they lived in privilege and you can hear it in every word they said.
The guy who says "divorce isn't real" sure sounds divorced from reality
As a Christian, these guys do nothing to make Christianity look mighty. They disgrace my religion.
If you’re being abused, get away from the abuser. Don’t endure.
To be fair, every christian out there makes Christianity look bad. Same with every religion btw. This also is not saying non religious people are good, not at all. It just seems evil and ignorance go hand in hand with the religious bunch and yes, this goes for every place on the planet.
Well as a Christian what I was saying is that if a man is abusing his wife, he's not in a marriage. He's in abuse. Jesus says to love you wife as Christ loves the church as he gave himself up for her. That means to go through all the scriptures and handle things the way Jesus would.
Jesus wasn't a tyrant, controlling, manipulative, gaslighting idiot.
He let people make their choice and taught them. He let people have their freedom to choose. When he threw tables, he threw tables to protect the church. He didn't throw table at the church.
So men who abuse their spouses aren't in a marriage. They are in abuse. The women isn't divorcing a marriage. She's leaving abuse.
The bible also says women need to respect their husbands. There's no respect for an abuser.
A marriage is when a man loves his wife as Christ loves the church as he gave himself up for her and when a woman respects her husband. That's what an actual Christian marriage is.
These guys seem to not know what a marriage is according to Jesus.
As someone who was raised in a super Christian community I can tell you Christian’s do enough to disgrace themselves without these guys help
Thats even what the bible says in corinthians and other New Testament scriptures lmao
They forgot that to get married in Christianity you have to make a vow before God to honor, love, and take care of your spouse in sickness and in health, in good times and bad, forever. Abuse is an immediate betrayal of that vow to God and their spouse.
The fact that these men seem to see abuse as a normal relationship “phase” makes me wonder how they typically treat their romantic partners
Nerdy girl coochie got me acting unwise
It's like Crowder.
They probably don’t have too many romantic partners
You are all misinformed as to what the podcast is all about it’s about men who want traditional relationships and the women on the podcast are feminists and Charlie just so happened to forget to put that part in.
@@aidsdoh8286 The only thing they love is the sound of their own voice. Probably pay for ass and complain when a woman wants personal freedom
I love that they’re like “this is so rare” and then also say “I know multiple people that have been in abusive families/ relationships”
I wouldnt be surprised if they are abusive to their partners
Just trying to minimalise everyone's point except their own
@@melinagoranson they 100% are.
100% they are abusive man children themselves
Abusive relationships are rare, their not the normal behaviour of humans. Doesn't mean you don't know someone it has happened too.
You can come at these people with every logical reason and they will STILL believe what they believe. It’s so sad and feels so meaningless to even have these conversations with these people.
I feel like anyone who says you should endure abuse in a relationship is very, very likely to be an abuser themselves.
My dad used to be an abuser. My mom put up with it for about 10 years before she finally took me and left because it started with him being a deadbeat partner, then he regressed into verbal abuse, and at some point began crossing over into physical abuse, but once he started directing some of the abuse at me, she took me and we left him. So no, you shouldn’t just endure it. You should get out as soon as you have a chance, because staying with an abuser does not help them get better; it just enables them and lets them feel like they can get away with more and more abuse.
EDIT: And color me surprised… there’s now evidence that the Endure guy used to hit women.
Deep story hope everythings going amazing for you
I literally said :: he sounds like an abuser as a person who had been in both abusive parents and relationships
@@runix3001thanks! Therapy certainly helped. My dad did eventually stop acting like such an asshole, but it took him hitting rock bottom, which started with losing me and my mom. The silver lining of having gone through all of that, though, is that it’s helped me recognize patterns of abuse more effectively and helped me avoid toxic relationships, and has given me major resolve to never treat my partner the way my dad treated my mom.
@@damienalvarez2957 shit man I hope you’re doing okay. I have a pretty similar story with my own dad. Mine never realized his actions, just acted like the victim because he was mentally ill and addicted to opioids. I deal with my own issues, I have sympathy in that aspect, but I’m not abusive to my partner. I’m really glad yours finally realized his abuse. I’ve been NC for over 5 years now but I remember when I did see him, he was constantly in denial. Even got tattoos about it, one even said “wife did it” because my mom had cheated while she was being beat, manipulated, and her daily life tracked 24/7. Abuse is inexcusable. I truly don’t understand the sheer audacity these mfs have to tell people to “endure” abuse of any kind but have near visceral reactions to cheating. Like yea no shit both are terrible but beating your partner or god forbid your children is a literal felony. Truly in shock watching this shit, and it is deeply disturbing that there’s many more men who believe this and many more with a lot of influence
never seen so many braindead men in a room, they got me speechless. the lady asking the questions definitely knew what they were on, she asked the right questions to let everyone know that theyre insane.
The way you said that makes it sound like you have some kind of agenda lol
@@tedtheodore5715????
@@tedtheodore5715
What is the agenda behind your reply?
@@tedtheodore5715what? What does an agenda have to do with this 😂
Thats why they call it the manosphere, because its a safe space where this wackos can exist without being ridiculized by the whole room. Its like the whole room being elephants and not a single human in sight.
was genuinely speechless when he told her to “just endure it”, wow
I stopped watching instantly. I hope they see that millions of people are clowning him and he should be fucking embarassed
Exactly where do you even begin?? How can I even convince someone so far gone
@@uglyrobot1975 You simply don't respect them enough to be worth convincing. I guess the jokes on him, cause he will have to endure the abuse of the internet now
He has 100% abused one or more of his partners before
so what, people should continue living their life in constant depression about one event in their potentially 80 years of human life? so we dont encourage them to not let incidents like these define them and not encourage them to continue the pursuit of happiness and being the best they can be? how is that at all beneficial for an abuse victim? we're not saying 'endure, its trivial and unimportant', we're saying 'endure, its not worth staying sad over because there's still so much beauty life can offer you which you should take advantage of'. everyone goes through shit, some worse than others, but who is the happiest is decided by who can get up from a bad situation and create something beautiful. to do with the dudes on the podcast, suit and tie guy and purple shirt i often disagree with. brian and chase i pretty much 100% agree with on most things. i am in support of traditional values and traditional roles of men and women and traditional familial values. i myself am also religious. i believe divorce should be a last resort to solving any problem in a marriage. however, if a relationship does get to a point where one or both parties experience constant abuse/one time abuse, i think a divorce should be done. its not healthy for the mother, father, and especially detrimental for the children if there are any. that being said, some abusive relationships can be avoided if you choose your partners wisely. if people took more responsibility, and took relationships as seriously as they should be taken, then there is less chance of ending up in an abusive relationship. when i say this also, i dont say that abuse victims deserve any abuse they may have received, no one does, im just saying there's a prevention method for this problem. (edit: yes, i stupidly wrote this comment b4 watching the actual video, im sorry about that)
I can’t imagine being a father watching your daughter get beaten and thinking “she just has to endure this”.
“You have to endure” and then later your spouse is then pronounced dead due to “enduring” the abuse, but divorce is the devil a sin, but going to jail for murder isn’t lmao I’m glad Charlie is pointing it out this lunacy from these boys
and how the concept of divorce for those guys is some type of schrodinger cat kind of shit where doesnt exist for abusive but does existe went the women cheats, tf?!
Lets also give credit to Destiny and Malena for getting them boys to walk into contradictions.
@@eligiobuscema6829 that was a brilliant way to explain that.
@@KLondike5 You're looking at the American Taliban.
I'm a Muslim and divorce is allowed in my faith because it is the better choice
I’m a man and I was in an abusive relationship for two years. The abuse started almost immediately and I endured it by making up excuses for her and not listening to my friends. It destroyed me. If you’re being hurt by your partner, GET OUT.
I went through the same for three years, in a foreign country. I got out in the end. I'm okay now.
my heart goes out to you❤
I'm so sorry you went through that, I agree do not endure, it will never get better, it will only get worse.
I hope you're safe and doing well. No one deserves to deal with that.
A big misconception with the "men can't be abused" arguments is that it doesn't have to hurt to be considered abuse. Just because the man is bigger than his wife doesn't mean that her hitting him isn't abusive or mentally damaging. And it rarely stops with just fists...abusers want to hurt you and they will find a way to cause physical damage to you one way or another.
Imagine telling your daughter “endure the physical abuse”
That one guy got real fucking quiet when asked about his daughter lmao.
Sad to say he probably wouldn't really mind though.
@@Hifuutorian
You guys are no better than the people taking Destiny's points out of context and giving him shit for it too. The man you're referring to is called Chase, and he himself did not condone physical abuse. You're treating all three men as if they're the same person.
@@tronovonflidder775I think they are talking about the dude on the right in the suit
@@tronovonflidder775 they are all pretty worthless so its ok to join them all together
@@tronovonflidder775 chase did a lot of evading though. Claimed it was rare, said it was hard to give prescriptions etc, but had immediate answers for third trimester abortions and cheating (they all immediately recommended divorce). I Don't think he did well in this part of the discussion. Literally said 'just a guy getting drunk and beating his wife occasionally' as if it was no big deal lol
Do they not realize cheating Is a form of mental abuse
abuse is not a phase, its a cycle, and it also is passed onto your kids. I loved the part where if a woman cheats they are triggered.
its so awful. as a kid who had to watch and sometimes experience the abuse from my father, it is a cycle and sometimes it weans and wanes but never just goes away. and it also manifests in kids different ways too. generational trauma has a play too. all around saddening.
Well said
They’re serving undereducated white, cisgender male privileged energy. It’s not cute boys. The guy in black and white looks like a referee but I’d be surprised if anyone in his life allowed him to call the shots.
theyre triggered because the rules are not supposed to be emplied to them.
why are they mad when a woman cheats? _"Just enduuuuure!"_
as someone who grew up around an emotionally abusive relationship… things got a million times better when my parents divorced. the gall to think that divorce is worse for kids than literal abuse is astonishing
I've had a few spatulas fly my way, feels nice for my mom to finally get away from that drunk. One time I was sitting in the living opening a pack of cards, and from the kitchen comes a spatula flying above my head, when he got mad at my step sister.
My mom was also told to endure. So we grew up where arguments are daily, and have a verbally abusive and controlling parent. We all didn't realized the house could be so quiet and peaceful with out him...
same ... many people treat separating from a father figure as a cardinal sin, but my mom gaining custody saved me from so much more than he already put us through, she raised me better alone than he ever would. Glad you got away from that horrible shit
@@DarkHowlerz same my parents finally divorced 3 years ago. which tbh is still a long ass time because the abuse started when i was 10. i was 18 when they divorced.
@dopesickdog every father figure I've have had has been bad, my genetic father is stubborn, my second one being a druggie, and the other one being a bad drunk. Me and my mom are so much better off now that she's found much nicer guy.
They also kicked out another girl halfway through the show just because she didn’t want to talk about her virginity. It was absolutely pathetic how mad they got over that.
The girls on that show are just as bad as the men
Because the women on this show are just the cream of the crop, lol.
@@CR7_IS_THE_GOAT_14 the girl was defending victims of abuse, how’d you come to that conclusion????
@@alena8388 I’m not talking about this specific video, but in general both the men and the girls who go on podcasts like this tend to be completely delusional, narcissistic and entitled.
@@alena8388 I think it talks in general on that show, not for the abuse talk, if you see some clips of the show there are on both sides enough cringe to notice that is just more trash TV format show but on internet.
I swear to god this podcast is deadass something you could listen to in the GTA 4/5 radio
Hard to think these guys have ever had a mother
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My dad abused my mother for around 22 years, and he abused my brother as well (by the time i was born he was mostly *very* verbally abusive but still physically abusive at times)
My mom left my dad in my freshman year of highschool when i was 14, it was the best fucking thing to ever happen in my life. Parents splitting is no where near as bad as witnessing and going through physical and verbal abuse.
Way too relatable lol. My parents didn't split until I was moved out, but I always wish they did. Instead they just got drunk and beat each other every night lol
There were times when I was still religious that I prayed that my mom would get a divorce from my stepdad. Verbal abuse alone is hard enough.
I remember wishing my dad left my narcissist mom. In that state, you could pick the parent you lived with.
yep. i went through something similar except my mother never left him. the damage it does witnessing violence and so much aggression growing up really still effects me and i am 23. i wish she had of left him
Same thing, and fuck it really sucks especially when you can't do anything for ur mom/dad it's really sad
Abuse should never be downplayed as it is all too common. In early high school a couple of years ago, I found myself trapped in a physically and verbally abusive relationship that lasted for a year and a half. Over that time, the abuse escalated from cursing and yelling to the point where I was getting hit and even cut. When I finally ended the relationship, my ex acted like the stereotypical "crazy ex." She made multiple accounts to dm me to harass me, stalked me, stole my stuff, hit or yelled at me whenever she saw me at school, and went as far as falsely accusing me of being abusive towards her.
I share this so hopefully people understand that abuse doesn't simply vanish or improve over time. For months I hoped that she would change but that never happened. Recognize the early signs of abuse or toxicity in a relationship and take immediate action by ending it. Waiting for the situation to worsen is not an option. Abuse should never be treated lightly. I hope this helped someone especially since it came from a young person.
@@thegrimlooper this is the first time I have ever heard a girl doing this to another girl and I was surprised at first. But after a second thought it just makes sense like these things can happen to anyone and anyone can do this.
I hope you are doing well now and they are also far away from your life and you have a happy relationship going forward.
Absolutely, you need to listen to people. I was a pretty buff football player while she was a skinny girl who wasn't involved in any sports. In terms of societal norms that’s kind of an unexpected dynamic. Both y’all stay strong and take care.
@@SSW777 You'd be shocked. You know that "entitlement" feminists accuse men of having non-stop? Well, a whole hell of a lot of lesbians seem to have that same attitude. I've even seen them get mad when bisexual women date men because men are "stealing" them away from women.
@@thegrimlooper Hopefully, I express this thought accurately. One realization that helped me overcome my fear was understanding that I have no control over what she says to others or her actions. I wasted so much time living in constant fear, wondering if she would tell people more lies about me or that I would see her at school and similar situations. While you can’t fully move on from abusive things like this you can choose to move forward, accept that it is in the past, and refuse to let that person have power any longer. I have even forgiven her for the abuse, as strange as it may sound. In a way, I am grateful for what happened because it has shaped who I am today. Of course, ideally, I should have ended the relationship immediately, but I didn't know any better, and that is not my fault. What I am trying to get at here is that every event, moment, and encounter in life contributes to the person you are now and the person you are becoming. Once you allow yourself to heal from the past and break free from the chains that hold you back, you will experience true freedom and become a better version of yourself. You have to remind yourself that they no longer control you, just as you cannot control them. I hope this helps you or someone else in some way.
definitely psychological abuse that really sucks and people just think your making it all up thats the worst part
The ironic thing is the guy that says to endure has abuse allegations in Japan
Continued proof that not everyone should get a podcast mic
Yep
I say let ‘em. Their stupidity can then be held up for all the world to see. Not to mention allowing the rest of us to laugh at their idiocy. 😁
When you cut a man’s tongue out you don’t prove him a liar. It’s always best to let idiots speak publicly.
The more people you have in an discussion the lower the chance of productive dialog.
@@LordMegatheriumnot always true
The more people you have, higher the chances you have an idiot in the discussion
“Being in an abusive relationship is sooooo unlikely that it’s not even fathomable to consider it, it’s a one in a billion chance basically. On another note I have multiple friends who have been in abusive relationships or had parents who were” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🥰
There are 8 billion people in the world, so according to this guy's argument there have only been 8 cases of domestic violence
i was thinking the same thing fr thank you for pointing that out
Damn you better start buying some lottery tickets
Lol maybe you should change something about yourself man
It's ironic for them to think abuse victims have to "endure" when a lot of victims will indeed try harder and harder to please an abusive partner to make them stop. But it doesn't work; it never works.
THIS! Oh my god I tried so hard to endure and make it work and it just made everything so much worse. I literally forgot what I liked to do or what my hobbies were or what kind of person I was because he acted so annoyed by anything I found joy in and I silenced everything he hated about me. The years it took to find myself again were so hard and I still have a lot of missing pieces 3 years later. I wish I saved myself the grief and just left the second it got bad. It truly never gets better and their definition of love is almost always messed up in some way shape or form
Exactly, never never ever ever. I don't even just mean where one is being abused either even if the relationship is super toxic from both parties it never gets turned around into a healthy relationship. As you say it also especially never does if there is one abuser in the relationship.
@@kaitlinkilleen4664 im sorry.
These clowns don’t comprehend that “enduring” ends in death. My parents had to get divorced bc my dad was going to kill my mom, it was never going to end. The victim can’t fix anything so putting that expectation on them is such a mindf*ck
@@abbyz13 and yeah true in most cases if the abuser dont gets help
I know someone who endured. She’s dead now from the abusive monster
I remember asking my Priest about abusive marriages when we talked about the marital sacrament and he said that if there is genuine abuse you should immediately separate and get out of there.
Marital duties are real, but its important that people don't start thinking that its a marital duty to endure genuine abuse, much less use religion to justify it.
W priest
Even in theories where people think married couples should stay together. There is almost always immediate, temporary separation while the abuser has strict guidelines to adhere to as they seek counsel and redeem themselves. I still dont give a fuck and think everyone should dip if they get hit, but nobody literally demands you stick it out with any sense in their head
Your priest is a real Christian and chad.
That priest is a real one.
@@alexbaucom5432 If he was a Catholic priest, that is what the Catechism states. The Church has made this very clear on abuse and ironically cheating isn't grounds for a divorce in the Church, unless there is a clear pattern that the spouse is not able to be faithful, then you can't divorce within the Church for cheating
My friends husband was the definition of emotional abuse and even sexual abuse, but he never hit her. He graphically described to her how he would kill her if she tried to leave him for another man. She left him that night. And I am so proud of her. Her whole family told her she was being dramatic and it was a sin to leave your husband. She told them about him literally threatening to end her life and her dad said to her, “ok but he’s never even hit you so that’s not abuse” this dude had a stockpile of knives and various weapons in their home. He had means and opportunity and now expressed motive. If that isn’t a reason for leaving a freakin marriage I don’t know what is.
Screw that douchebag husband and her family all the way to hell. Im so glad she got out of that, I hope she’s doing a lot better now! 💓
Just because some hadn't done it isn't a good thing. If there's a chance, and the sicko expresses that they have considered doing such, that's definitely when you should run for the hills!
*DONT WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!*
*THERE IS ALWAYS CRACKS BEFORE THE SHATTER*
the dad would believe it if he sees his daughter's corpse laying blooded on the floor
why are some parents such control freaks when it comes to who THEIR CHILD wants to be with for the rest of their life?? it should be a decision based on the child's love and trust in a partner, not what the parent "thinks is best for them". that shit is so annoying
That's crazy man! Gaslighting is horrible, especially when done by your loved ones :'(
For those who don’t know:
Victims of abuse are often the last ones to realise they’re being abused. And often they blame themselves for it because they’ve been manipulated into thinking it’s their fault. If you tell an abuse victim they’re being abused during the period of abuse alot/most of them won’t believe it or they’ll make up excuses for their abusers.
Good comment but something to point out is that most abusive relationships are mutually abusive which means both partners start physically or emotionally abusing their partners at different times. People typically date those who are the male and female versions of themselves, toxic people date other toxic people. The reason some good men and good women end up with shitty people is because those abusers seemed really nice in the beginning. It’s ridiculous how some people victim blame as if the victims should have known, as if the abusers were abusive on the first date.
@@Jackholiday1025 Send proof💀
Crazy thing is is that almost all situations where the person being abused just “endures it” they end up dead most of the time
Dude really treated genuinely traumatizing, life changing abuse as if it was just a married couple arguing over who takes George to the soccer game
Another day, another devaluation of the word trauma, remember when trauma used to mean things like going through WWI, seeing people blown apart every day, or losing your entire family, or watching a loved one being tortured.
Now it's literally just "someone punched me" "someone calls me bad names" "I'm unhappy with my body image" "someone touched my pp"
But that's the culture of victimhood these days.
@@TheSMR1969 Take your AR15 and lifted pickup truck and go back to the red states
@@KyrosTheWolf you said that like it was a burn lol
@@arbusthurmapoly6049 it is though. americans are fucking obsessed with trucks and guns
Ikr like that’s what I was thinking acting like abuse is arguing over who was supposed to take the trash out
My girlfriend used to emotionally abuse me (i'm a man), i tried enduring it at first hoping it would pass. Eventually I ended up removing her from my life completely. Currently, I'm 4 years into an awesome relationship with the best girl ever. It works out so well because we are supportive, attentive and understanding to eachother. Don't endure, just move on.
Congrats bro✊
Hell yea man. Happy for you!
I’m glad you endured 😂
You did the right thing. Being with the right person is the best reward and you got it😁
I’m proud of you man 👊🏻
The realest thing Charlie said during this video “ we’ve cultivated this culture online where every topic has to be an argument even the most simple topics” a product of the podcast culture that is continually growing
Charlie is PART of that culture
@@antony1397 😂😂 shhh
@Italian Supreme He is aware of that.
ure weak and not smart
@@antony1397 he literally says “we” so i don’t know why you think this is a gotcha moment
"Abuse should be endured" sounds suspiciously like something an abuser would say
Abuse is 100X worse than cheating. Hitting your wife and kids deserves years of jail time.
is this why western kids are more disrespectful than kids in non western countries who are actually disciplined? In my country growing up I was hit a lot even more in school by teachers than at home and i turned out fine. We all did. I come to the west and see how disrespectful most young people are to elders and their parents
Cheating can be a form of abuse, not a strong argument tbh
@@lyndonbauer1703 I am talking about physical abuse. I think its pretty obvious. Cheating with someone else, is not physical abuse.
@@ashleylove6840it can be emotional abuse though
From where I'm fore the abuser are beat up and sent to jail
“you have to endure” this guy knows a lot about that the way everyone around you has to endure your presence, being in the same room as this guy is abuse within itself.
LMFAO GET THAT MF 🗣
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That brings up the question; what constitutes as “abuse”, and there’s verbal and physical and emotional abuse, should one instance of any of those be grounds for divorce?
Garantee you he abuses someone. abusers talk like this, close their eyes.. 100% smug
@@33Cigarettes Yes, it doesn't matter how many times it happens, it is absolutely justified to leave if abuse of any type rears its ugly head.
so im a male, my ex partner used to slap often and only when she tried pushing me down stairs did i leave. male abuse is real and im not weak for leaving
you need to ENDURE
Sorry that happened to you
You’re STRONG for leaving. It takes a lot to leave someone abusive. Glad you got out of that!
Yes king 👑!
Yes king 👑!
My father is a victim of abuse by his own wife since they met. I had to see my dad getting his neck cut open by my step mom with a box cutter when I was a young child. It was fucking traumatizing for me.
Edit: When my mom broke up with my dad because he cheated on her, I was 8 years old. And, for a whole week of my dad not coming back home, I stopped acting like a human. Basically, I stood in front of the front door, waiting for my dad to come back for hours and hours per day for a whole week. I became a dog whos waiting for it's owner to come back. It literally broke me and my mind. I developped DID cus of it. Just a simple thing of my dad cheating on my mom and my mom breaking up with him also broke me. I became an animal, not a human. I only reacted when it was time for food, nothing else. Thats how much it affected me..
They continuously interrupt her and she lets them, yet she listens when they spoke, and when she does speak while they're speaking they start telling her to listen. They see themselves as having the higher opinion and don't want to open up to other ideas and views, which is upsetting. Having an open mind is important to having a debate.
Edit: I feel as though they likely have some history of abuse, mentally at the least. the way they talk about how abuse should be endured, and then suddenly if the woman cheats they think divorce is alright is incredibly sickening. Abuse is somehow not as bad as cheating? I'm curious as to what their answer would have been had it been about a guy cheating on the woman.
I think they did the abusing or lived in a nice upper class life in a normal family.
Honestly? I think abuse might hurt some people less than cheating. Depends on the kind, severity and your own baggage. I mean shit, I'd rather have my gf try and gaslight me than cheat on me, for example.
But that's as a hypothrtical "if you had to choose, which would you rathwr take?", not which one makes someone a bigger pos for doing lmao
@@chukyuniqul most women who are murdered are killed by their husbands or boyfriends abuse is absolutely not the lesser evil here.
Bro what did you watch she interrupts loads and this is an hour or two into the podcast and they were frustrated with how she was talking to the hosts
@@wellatleastimhere1974
Agreed.
My dad would go in cycles when I was younger. Eventually when he realized no matter how he acted my mom would stay the cycles stopped and turned into full-time abuse. I no longer have contact with either of my parents because my dad never changed and my mom always stayed and genuinely believed it was normal and healthy for a relationship. She told me it was just my dad's way of reliving stress of their marriage. I've been married for 5 years and neither me or my partner have ever even raised our voices at each other. It blows me away how much people try to normalize abusive relationships nowadays.
My dad did that too. Mom would say he was going through a 'dry drunk' phase. Found out years later that he was just high on meth all the time. And that made him paranoid and abusive. I should have known when his nasal spray orders were being confiscated at the border. But, when you're a kid you don't want to think that your parents are doing crap like that.
Not even raised your voice? I call cap
@@JustAPersonalUseBarb some people are healthy and happy, steven
@@EveTheRaviolo Getting into arguments doesn't make a relationship unhealthy, it means you have two people who happen to have gotten emotional about something at the same time that they might not have agreed on. Maybe they are lying, maybe they aren't, but an argument doesn't make a relationship bad
As a kid who’s parents were abusive (to each other) and divorced, I can FIRMLY and confidently say that abuse is 110% a reason to divorce. My dad divorced my mother because she was abusive, but he got drunk and hit her too. I witnessed most of it. It was better that they split up instead of me having to continue to go through that.
My parents were abusive to each other but mostly my mother abused my dad.
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you realize that abuse is not just physical right? Are we advocating divorce for partners calling each other names now?
frequency of abuse matters a lot!
@@7oledit399 uh yess. are you an actual child or just slow
"You gotta endure" is crazy bro
Bro aint gonna endure the soaps in prison
It’s not even cringe, it’s disturbing
Can it be both?
@@kat0na_catyea I’m saying both
@joeswanson2251 it's both
Agreed. I don't even understand why he was laughing at this. Maybe it's because he's a man but as a woman, this is disturbing af.
@@blackwomanorangecat He was laughing because the men are so pathetic and the fact that they also looked stupid.
Yeah I'm pretty sure if my mother had 'endured' her relationship with my dad then he could have ended her life during one of his violent attacks. Her leaving him was the best thing that happened as I grew up from the age of 7 without feeling scared anymore
You're one of the lucky ones. Mine had the same thought process as these id1ots, she's a hardcore toxic Christian and didn't want to divorce him no matter how much he beat us up, the kids, not her. So much trauma, random anxiety attacks and panic attacks in adulthood now. And for what? Fvxk these cults and these cult leaders.
I hope you and your mom are in a better position tho.
Well it wasn't the best thing to do since you wrote this comment. I think your father was right and he should have disciplined you by stretching you bussy
Respect to your mother!
Good for her man. Idk what these guys were on about as men killing their spouses/partners is incredibly common to the point where if a women is murdered, their partner is who is most likely to be the one who did it. These guys are awful
These idiots are psychopaths, the damage this does lasts generations, causes endless suffering and shortened lifespans..look up ACE scores
"It was a phase." Ah yes, those brief few months in everyone's life where we all just decide to physically and/or mentally beat up our partners, and then never do it again. It's just like puberty, its just a time in our lives that we all go through and then never experience again.
It's like having your period every month but instead of you bleeding your partner is.
God don't you hate those moments , where you wake up in the morning and have the instinctual desire to beat the crap out of the person sleeping next you
@@waddle623 and they aren't bleeding out of where you'd think!
Do people actually think these are real debates? Having fake extremely unpopular opinions is apparently easy to monetize.
The dude who's advocating for abuse was actually caught abusing a girl
As a kid of extremely abusive and enabling parents, this shit pisses me off to no end. I've been "enduring" this abuse for years, but it only gets worse. I've also been in abusive relationships and told by "friends" to "endure", but thankfully, I was able to leave them.
Fuck anyone who says you should accept abuse in any relationship. Leave and never look back if you can.
Sorry to hear that man. Hope you’re fine now
Well said and good for you, brother
Your "friends" are f-ing idiots! I'm glad you left...I don't know you but I'm proud of you!
Have you sought therapy or been given a chance to share your story in a controlled setting with options for feedback?
Not to mention abuse in childhood follows you for the rest of your life. There's only so much and adolescent can endure before they get pushed to the limit and want to take their own lives (speaking from experience) I wonder what they would have to say about s**ual ab*se! Should people endure that as well... I could not ever imagine having that twisted mindset.
The whole “making men angrier at women online” sub genre on TH-cam can’t implode fast enough
Its not going anywhere anytime soon. This mentality existed before TH-cam and will continue after its gone.
The internet needs to stay out of human relations altogether
@@johnmarksmithmiller9895 cringe
@@johnmarksmithmiller9895 Tell us all again why you can't get a date and how women hate you "for no reason"...
@@benhartman2534 it's just basic reasoning nothing wrong with that
A summarization:
1. Divorce isn't a real thing
2. If a partner is being abused, they need to stay and endure violence
3. BUT...if the woman cheats, THEN divorce becomes a real thing, and then that's the only circumstance to leave.
The fuck is going on?!?! Are these mfers from the year 1679?
Extremely conservative “alpha males” with internet access and being surrounded by likeminded individuals
Some people look to ancient philosophers like the stoics of Rome or great thinkers from past centuries like Kant or Nietzsche for wisdom on how life can be lived in a fulfilling way that benefits everyone. These guys read a biography of King Henry VIII to get their inspiration.
I like how the idea of the man cheating was just never addressed in general, does divorce magically become an option or should the woman just endure?
@@Myhrrylyth Just endure, of course! /s
You don't know sh*t about 1679!!1!1!!
My dad's mom was very abusive. He doesn't like to go into it, but she was very mentally challenged and took it out on her family. My dad and his 4 siblings agreed to cut her out of their lives, but one of them still keeps in touch with her for the most part. I have never met her, and I don't think I ever will.