@chrisreynolds3351 Thankfully, we're not a part of the European Union and have no need of their courts to determine democracy in Britain. A simple peoples referendum can deliver proportional representation for the people.
@chrisreynolds3351 I personally believe that we have the ability to change the political system ourselves without outside influences. The problem with your solution is that as a sovereign nation, we are not obliged to accept the ruling of foreign courts. They are not enforceable and can be overruled by our own Parliament, Courts and People. How do you suppose they will enforce their ruling over a sovereign nation that refuses to accept their judgment.
@chrisreynolds3351 the UK government and even EU members ignore the ECHR when it sees fit. Please stop pretending it's some almighty power that is followed by every member at all times, it isn't. It's like the ICC, it's followed when they agree and ignored when they don't.
SNP 730k votes 9 seats… Greens 2m votes 4 seats, Reform UK 4m votes 5 seats… This isn’t fair! If we made a change it could mean better representation, and force greater discussion and cross party collaboration in Parliament. Which can only be good!
Well said. Time for our Parliament to act like adults and not like the grinning idiots we now have for a government. The system of government for years has adopted the policy of do as I say. The present system prevents the people from having a government that does as the PEOPLE say, i.e. the present system prevents representation of the people by a considerable and unacceptable margin.
It can be changed by the people but the Tories and the Labour parties will not listen to the people for obvious reasons we all know the whole country on many areas need urgent reform
The neo liberals at the centre along with military intelligence and the CIA who Starmer colludes with have worked hard to ensure this comes about. BoB (Britain's Own Biden) Starmer is the new Blair. Thanks to MSM in collusion with British Intelligence they have succeeded in pulling the wool (they think) over the eyes of the public and the working class. You haven't. We won't fight your wars or support them with our money. We won't surrender our children to the whims of globalist elites and their puppets. We are awakening to your crimes against humanity.
Well it's not exactly a clear clean result, you can get a huge amount of support and recieve a large amount of votes just like Reform UK and end up with less seats then the Liberal Democrats, why would I want to vote again.....
at least with PR, MPs will have to work for the benefit of the country, not merely the benefit of their party policies. MPs will finally have to work together rather than working against one another.
Some people need to realise this is the UK, not where they came from or any other foreign land. It used to be said "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".
The cons were generally centre right and Labour were centre left which kept politics pretty central overall. However, both parties are now very left so other parties are going to emerge to pull the other way, that just the nature of things and that is why the 2 party system is looking out of date.
Surely a ballot paper asking for your preferential local candidate and also for you party of choice to form the government is the obvious way to get a fair and proportional result?
A referendum on PR has to be held........ but now Labour have power they will not give it a chance........ petitions need to happen for it to happen asap.
They changed from first past the post in New Zealand in the early 1990s, I think. I am not sure of the date as I moved to Australia in 1988 and it changed sometime after that. So change can happen!
Real Reform would include: An end to first-past-the-post Tax all kinds of senior Public Servants for the rest of their lives, so the public can benefit from any personal gains they make off the back of their public service careers Relocate parliament to a more suitable, less class/tradition-ridden building fit for government
I don't see many MPs actually doing anything for the constituencies they are supposed to represent, their focus is on their party and its goals. Maybe voting for, and having a "local" MP is an out-of-date system. Many MPs don't even live in or near the constituency they are elected for, I've seen many lose their seat in one area only to po up in another because they want to be an MP, they don't actually care about which constituency they belong to.
A view from the UK. It seems to work in the EU project. There are 8 parties in their parliament. Many other countries use it. What it seems to do is to knock the more extreme ideas off the agenda and to bring in minority parties ideas into the debate.
Im pleasantly surprised that the BBC are even talking about a better way forward for representing the want of the country. Labour would not have anywhere near the number of seats they got... nor the lib dems. Lets change the way we select our government because this time the result is a mistake
We should all have high tech ID cards which allow us to vote where we no longer need human counting. We have to illiminate human intervention as much as possible,I don't trust anyone to do honest work nowadays everyone has an agenda.
Bet the BBC are breathing a sigh of relief now labour government they can put up the TV licence and no worries of being defunded by the British people 😂
80% of voters did not vote for Labour. Suggesting First Past The Post gives a "clean result" is in itself a biased opinion by a Labour promoting BBC if the result doesn't express the wishes of the voters. In a proportional voting system (that most EU countries use) we would now have a coalition Government because the current Government did not achieve a "Landslide" win and Kier Starmer does not have a "mandate" because we now have minority Government. The only vote this country has had that was truly democratic was the Brexit Referendum.......and that shocked everybody because the outcome was not what the Establishment wanted. First Past The Post is designed to keep one of two parties in power and Labour and the Conservatives are two sides of the same coin with little difference between them, both have moved the country Left to the point that the Centre is now on the Right. Our "Democracy" is such that you can vote for the whole political colour spectrum but the Government can only come from a very narrow range of that spectrum so that the Media and Parliament can tell us how much things are going to change when in reality, for the Establishment there is very little change and it's business as usual. Supressing the change that the majority want is not democratic. If one party can't figure out the happy medium of what the voters want and "deliver" on their words, then we do need to go through the malaise of coalition Governments until a party finds the right formula and the correct people.......however......the people that lose during coalition governments tend to be the Establishment because their power of lobbying is reduced.
The "Clean result" actually works against us and further buttresses the winning party's position. Whereas ...with weak opposition there is no-one to 'hold their feet to the fire' over controversial issues. Plus debates are more diverse and represent more viewpoints and ...sometimes better solutions!
Well at the next General Election all parties outside of the government need to campaign on propositional representation. They need to gather momentum to eventually end up in a referendum.
Better to have the Commons on a FPTP basis where a constituency votes for the person going to represent them rather than someone imposed upon them because he/she is the Party’s leaders friend. Reorganise the Lords to make that an elected Chamber on a PR basis.
The main argument for the current system is that we currently vote for the individual we want to represent us. There have been several times when individuals have been voted out because of their poor personal performance as an MP. What chance is there for independent MPs, which have long been a feature of our systen, in a proportional representation system? Proportional representation also relies on candidate lists, and the process for selecting candidates is not often democratic. What then you have with PR is an entrenchment of the major parties with no independents, and people selected on the basis of how loyal they are to their party. It goes against the very kind of society we want to live in, in which all kinds of characters can thrive and individualism is celebrated.
ANd the fact that the uni-party voting system and those 2 parties has about 40% of the voters not voting. Disenfranchisement with the system is also a useful tool - it keeps teh establishment in when people see that there is no point.
It can be right and it is right, because it was decided by a referendum, and that is the end of the matter. Where would we be if we could go back on the results of referendums just because some people don’t like them? Brussels, perhaps?
This needs to be changed! We have a government with a big majority, they can get things done. This should be addressed. If the seats in the commons were truly split up by the votes it would have been more like; LAB 220 CON 154 REF 93 LD 79 OTHERS 44 GRE 44 SNP 16 Total 650
His country needs PR voting system because the amount of votes doesn't equal the seats gained I'm full agreement we need to Reform the outdated first Past the Post
_fptp_ is a good system - the problem is 'political parties'. If we banned political parties and just allowed local people to stand in each constituency, we would end up with a parliament full of representative MPs who would choose a popular prime minister.
MPs are responsible for national policy which affects everybody regardless of where they live, it's not a local issue. Proportional representation is the only way to go and, if people think that no one party with a majority would mean nothing gets done, MPs are going to have to learn to cooperate and compromise. At the moment, 2/3rds of the population are going to be forced to cooperate with important policies they don't agree with and are going to be forced to compromise. That's a dictatorship approach, a travesty of democracy. If proportional representation is not adopted by the UK then we are surely doomed. Parliament years ago passed the Representation of The People Act, the name says it all - representation of the people, it couldnt be simpler OR fairer to have Proportional Representation. This latest election, and the relish displayed by this effectively minority goverment, clearly demonstrates to the world that the UK is insane.
The FPTP system is biased in favour of just two parties. The constituencies are formed to suit that and many votes are meaningless. According to the LSE (a report/blog dated 2010) FPTP dates to mediaeval times and is an abhorrence. There’s me thinking feudalism was dead! We became a two party state for the last few years and now we are a one party state. The LSE also confirmed since 1997 (when the nonsense of FPTP was really first seen) voter dissatisfaction and not bothering has increased massively election on election. The game is up and, frankly, this government is illegitimate.
Ppl get to choose their leaders for their areas.. this wouldn’t happen under your ideal.. they could end up with a slotted in leader.. which isn’t democratic.. 🤔🙄😎
Political analysts are So arrogant. The electorate does not map the political landscape as left or right - but wrong and right. It understands first past the post and so the wipe out was intended, the flirtation with minor parties is intended. Voting is situational who is to say that with PR we wouldn’t get the same result? Reform’s 4m votes were piled up in a small number of constituencies when the savvy Labour and LibDems focussed their efforts on winning individual races. I am in Liz Truss’ old seat we openly spoke to other voters agreeing to vote for anyone but Truss and we wiped out a 24,000 majority. We are not political analysts but we understand how our politics works.
Our current voting system is not democratic. For truth and transparency politics, we must have a system where every vote counts equally. Only PR delivers a true democracy.
nah the electoral reform society has always been fighting it, weirdly enough the rich conservatives pay off the media companies (which they own) to not talk about this stuff and stay in power. It takes balls to see a share of the vote of parties you wouldnt want in (ie. reform) and still petition for democracy, these guys are great, follow their newsletter.
Can’t do this in 2010 we had a referendum on this. Like Brexit and Scottish independence this is not allowed. Once in a generation. Good for the goose.
We vote for our local representative to stand in parliament NOT for a party hence fptp the one who gets the most votes in the LOCAL constituency wins. Nuff said
The ERS has been around the whole time? Obviously just after an election that was incredibly disproportionate and PR is being discussed they're going to get more media exposure.
They’ve existed for at least 15 years if not longer they’re oldest video is 15 years old, maybe take the time to check for literally two minutes, proportional representation would benefit everyone
It's funny isn't it we had a referendum on this and it was voted to keep the same. Now people have changed their minds...................... This sounds familiar. I'm all for a vote on this but if this can be voted on again so should brexit.
If the tories had won no one would have been talking about proportional representation. We have had to put up with first past the posts even though all it brings us is extreme ideologies being force on the public by the establishment parties
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This should be out of the hands of corrupt politicians.
Time for proportional representation. We are a backward nation, politically, and need to reform the voting system.
@chrisreynolds3351
Thankfully, we're not a part of the European Union and have no need of their courts to determine democracy in Britain. A simple peoples referendum can deliver proportional representation for the people.
I also believe it is time to Reform the unelected House of Lords to a democratically elected House of Representatives
@chrisreynolds3351
I personally believe that we have the ability to change the political system ourselves without outside influences. The problem with your solution is that as a sovereign nation, we are not obliged to accept the ruling of foreign courts. They are not enforceable and can be overruled by our own Parliament, Courts and People. How do you suppose they will enforce their ruling over a sovereign nation that refuses to accept their judgment.
@chrisreynolds3351 the UK government and even EU members ignore the ECHR when it sees fit. Please stop pretending it's some almighty power that is followed by every member at all times, it isn't. It's like the ICC, it's followed when they agree and ignored when they don't.
"First Past the Post" is an excellent way of racing horses, but an abysmal way of voting for representative legislatures
The animal rights groups will probably disagree 😊
We dont want a clean result, we want a fair and democratic result!
Nothing like a democratic result. There has to be a fairer way!!
How is it fair to win only 34% of the vote and get 65% of the seats in Paliament.
I wonder what the lowest possible vote share is to get the most amount of seats? Hypothetically speaking
Labour says it's fair.
SNP 730k votes 9 seats… Greens 2m votes 4 seats, Reform UK 4m votes 5 seats… This isn’t fair! If we made a change it could mean better representation, and force greater discussion and cross party collaboration in Parliament. Which can only be good!
Well said. Time for our Parliament to act like adults and not like the grinning idiots we now have for a government. The system of government for years has adopted the policy of do as I say. The present system prevents the people from having a government that does as the PEOPLE say, i.e. the present system prevents representation of the people by a considerable and unacceptable margin.
Electoral reform is a priority and a necessity.
It can be changed by the people but the Tories and the Labour parties will not listen to the people for obvious reasons we all know the whole country on many areas need urgent reform
The neo liberals at the centre along with military intelligence and the CIA who Starmer colludes with have worked hard to ensure this comes about. BoB (Britain's Own Biden) Starmer is the new Blair. Thanks to MSM in collusion with British Intelligence they have succeeded in pulling the wool (they think) over the eyes of the public and the working class. You haven't. We won't fight your wars or support them with our money. We won't surrender our children to the whims of globalist elites and their puppets. We are awakening to your crimes against humanity.
Well it's not exactly a clear clean result, you can get a huge amount of support and recieve a large amount of votes just like Reform UK and end up with less seats then the Liberal Democrats, why would I want to vote again.....
Blimey is this a foriegn BBC as their factually reporting the truth for once or am I dreaming
Easy for them to help close the door after the horse bolted? They got their man and know nothing will be done to alter that.
Flip flop voting is out of date it should be vote and win by numbers not corruption
I can’t believe that this was actually impartial. Pinch me
at least with PR, MPs will have to work for the benefit of the country, not merely the benefit of their party policies. MPs will finally have to work together rather than working against one another.
Reform UK. 4 million votes. 5 seats
Libdems 3.5 million votes. 71 seats.
Something stinks.
I would like my vote to count.
It's Reform
@@newworldforward1842 thanks, a Freudian slip or predictive text.
I'd rather not have a Uni-Party, 'Clean result'.
We need a referendum on changing the system, those in power will never do it voluntarily.
Hey, it's their system designed by and for them.
This needs to change it's a disgrace that Reform got almost half the vote of Labour and only got 5 seats
The people need represented properly, Labour voters won't like it, as their fascism of 9 million people is happy. We need a better system.
Coming from Reform uk this must be redistributed. This must not be tolerated.
Trust?
The Lords needs Reform and its the Lords that need to be change and that should be a house of Proportional Representation.
Just abolish the lords.. -Why is it even there?
SNP 700, 000 votes 9 MPs Reform 4.1 Million votes 5 seats?
What sucks is that keir starmer has stated that he was a fan of fptp
Yet the Labour Party approved a change to PR at their conference. We live in hope.
@@ezioauditore3128 how recent was this? was this before or after the election results?
There needs to be safeguards in place to protect the country from sectarian parties of foreign origin getting a foot in the door.
100% we need to pass laws to forbit any party to campaign on religious grounds
Some people need to realise this is the UK, not where they came from or any other foreign land. It used to be said "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".
This would also in the short term fight Islamist sectarian tactical voting.
The cons were generally centre right and Labour were centre left which kept politics pretty central overall. However, both parties are now very left so other parties are going to emerge to pull the other way, that just the nature of things and that is why the 2 party system is looking out of date.
Surely a ballot paper asking for your preferential local candidate and also for you party of choice to form the government is the obvious way to get a fair and proportional result?
A referendum on PR has to be held........ but now Labour have power they will not give it a chance........ petitions need to happen for it to happen asap.
They changed from first past the post in New Zealand in the early 1990s, I think. I am not sure of the date as I moved to Australia in 1988 and it changed sometime after that. So change can happen!
Real Reform would include:
An end to first-past-the-post
Tax all kinds of senior Public Servants for the rest of their lives, so the public can benefit from any personal gains they make off the back of their public service careers
Relocate parliament to a more suitable, less class/tradition-ridden building fit for government
I don't see many MPs actually doing anything for the constituencies they are supposed to represent, their focus is on their party and its goals. Maybe voting for, and having a "local" MP is an out-of-date system. Many MPs don't even live in or near the constituency they are elected for, I've seen many lose their seat in one area only to po up in another because they want to be an MP, they don't actually care about which constituency they belong to.
Bravo! 🇬🇧
And what about the media
This election shows that two thirds of the electorate did not get representation in parliament we need to change the system
A view from the UK. It seems to work in the EU project. There are 8 parties in their parliament. Many other countries use it. What it seems to do is to knock the more extreme ideas off the agenda and to bring in minority parties ideas into the debate.
Im pleasantly surprised that the BBC are even talking about a better way forward for representing the want of the country. Labour would not have anywhere near the number of seats they got... nor the lib dems. Lets change the way we select our government because this time the result is a mistake
We should all have high tech ID cards which allow us to vote where we no longer need human counting. We have to illiminate human intervention as much as possible,I don't trust anyone to do honest work nowadays everyone has an agenda.
Bet the BBC are breathing a sigh of relief now labour government they can put up the TV licence and no worries of being defunded by the British people 😂
80% of voters did not vote for Labour. Suggesting First Past The Post gives a "clean result" is in itself a biased opinion by a Labour promoting BBC if the result doesn't express the wishes of the voters. In a proportional voting system (that most EU countries use) we would now have a coalition Government because the current Government did not achieve a "Landslide" win and Kier Starmer does not have a "mandate" because we now have minority Government. The only vote this country has had that was truly democratic was the Brexit Referendum.......and that shocked everybody because the outcome was not what the Establishment wanted. First Past The Post is designed to keep one of two parties in power and Labour and the Conservatives are two sides of the same coin with little difference between them, both have moved the country Left to the point that the Centre is now on the Right. Our "Democracy" is such that you can vote for the whole political colour spectrum but the Government can only come from a very narrow range of that spectrum so that the Media and Parliament can tell us how much things are going to change when in reality, for the Establishment there is very little change and it's business as usual. Supressing the change that the majority want is not democratic. If one party can't figure out the happy medium of what the voters want and "deliver" on their words, then we do need to go through the malaise of coalition Governments until a party finds the right formula and the correct people.......however......the people that lose during coalition governments tend to be the Establishment because their power of lobbying is reduced.
The "Clean result" actually works against us and further buttresses the winning party's position. Whereas ...with weak opposition there is no-one to 'hold their feet to the fire' over controversial issues. Plus debates are more diverse and represent more viewpoints and ...sometimes better solutions!
Well at the next General Election all parties outside of the government need to campaign on propositional representation. They need to gather momentum to eventually end up in a referendum.
Single Transferable Vote is the way to go!
Why did she mention his name? Did she mention Ed Davie, any Green MPs? No! But he gets a mention? Very strange.
We need change but Labour won’t comply. We also need some options.
Better to have the Commons on a FPTP basis where a constituency votes for the person going to represent them rather than someone imposed upon them because he/she is the Party’s leaders friend.
Reorganise the Lords to make that an elected Chamber on a PR basis.
▪︎ 100k votes per party seat
▪︎ seats to top polling candidates
▪︎ Low turnout = small chamber
▪︎ NOTA vote → sortition MP
The main argument for the current system is that we currently vote for the individual we want to represent us. There have been several times when individuals have been voted out because of their poor personal performance as an MP. What chance is there for independent MPs, which have long been a feature of our systen, in a proportional representation system? Proportional representation also relies on candidate lists, and the process for selecting candidates is not often democratic. What then you have with PR is an entrenchment of the major parties with no independents, and people selected on the basis of how loyal they are to their party. It goes against the very kind of society we want to live in, in which all kinds of characters can thrive and individualism is celebrated.
ANd the fact that the uni-party voting system and those 2 parties has about 40% of the voters not voting. Disenfranchisement with the system is also a useful tool - it keeps teh establishment in when people see that there is no point.
It can be right and it is right, because it was decided by a referendum, and that is the end of the matter. Where would we be if we could go back on the results of referendums just because some people don’t like them? Brussels, perhaps?
It's a fix they won't change anything
Most people actually think its outdated..parliment just does not change,they want a 2 party system.
STV is **not** proportional and doesn't retain a local MP. Reallocation of surplus votes is arbitrary.
This needs to be changed! We have a government with a big majority, they can get things done. This should be addressed. If the seats in the commons were truly split up by the votes it would have been more like;
LAB 220
CON 154
REF 93
LD 79
OTHERS 44
GRE 44
SNP 16
Total 650
Labour in Wales are taking a different route, you simply vote for a party , the party that wins then picks its representatives.
His country needs PR voting system because the amount of votes doesn't equal the seats gained I'm full agreement we need to Reform the outdated first Past the Post
_fptp_ is a good system - the problem is 'political parties'. If we banned political parties and just allowed local people to stand in each constituency, we would end up with a parliament full of representative MPs who would choose a popular prime minister.
PR isnt the perfect system people think it is, it often leads to coalitions and governments which no one wants.
Why does this look like it was shot in 2004?
MPs are responsible for national policy which affects everybody regardless of where they live, it's not a local issue. Proportional representation is the only way to go and, if people think that no one party with a majority would mean nothing gets done, MPs are going to have to learn to cooperate and compromise. At the moment, 2/3rds of the population are going to be forced to cooperate with important policies they don't agree with and are going to be forced to compromise. That's a dictatorship approach, a travesty of democracy. If proportional representation is not adopted by the UK then we are surely doomed. Parliament years ago passed the Representation of The People Act, the name says it all - representation of the people, it couldnt be simpler OR fairer to have Proportional Representation. This latest election, and the relish displayed by this effectively minority goverment, clearly demonstrates to the world that the UK is insane.
The FPTP system is biased in favour of just two parties. The constituencies are formed to suit that and many votes are meaningless. According to the LSE (a report/blog dated 2010) FPTP dates to mediaeval times and is an abhorrence. There’s me thinking feudalism was dead! We became a two party state for the last few years and now we are a one party state. The LSE also confirmed since 1997 (when the nonsense of FPTP was really first seen) voter dissatisfaction and not bothering has increased massively election on election. The game is up and, frankly, this government is illegitimate.
Most other channels were talking about this a week ago, why has it taken the BBC so long to cover this story?
Ppl get to choose their leaders for their areas.. this wouldn’t happen under your ideal.. they could end up with a slotted in leader.. which isn’t democratic.. 🤔🙄😎
*SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE*
Tactical voting worked well this time to keep the Tories out but it shouldn't have to be that way.
Put it to the people ,they won't of course because they wont trust the people to provide the answer they want ,super corrupt or what ?
Political analysts are So arrogant. The electorate does not map the political landscape as left or right - but wrong and right. It understands first past the post and so the wipe out was intended, the flirtation with minor parties is intended. Voting is situational who is to say that with PR we wouldn’t get the same result? Reform’s 4m votes were piled up in a small number of constituencies when the savvy Labour and LibDems focussed their efforts on winning individual races. I am in Liz Truss’ old seat we openly spoke to other voters agreeing to vote for anyone but Truss and we wiped out a 24,000 majority. We are not political analysts but we understand how our politics works.
Our current voting system is not democratic. For truth and transparency politics, we must have a system where every vote counts equally. Only PR delivers a true democracy.
They have so many seats because more people vote for them in bi elections and elections the only people whu want it changed are the unpopular people
Deform for a poor country, inward look more bigoted, more food banks and end to the NHS.
For an example of how "well" PR works, see the Weimar Republic.
I don't have the answer, but PR, appealing though the theory is, isn't it.
The BBC?
No thankyou.
Was completely fine when it favoured the Tories… f this country and it’s media
nah the electoral reform society has always been fighting it, weirdly enough the rich conservatives pay off the media companies (which they own) to not talk about this stuff and stay in power. It takes balls to see a share of the vote of parties you wouldnt want in (ie. reform) and still petition for democracy, these guys are great, follow their newsletter.
I’m in full support of PR our system is ridiculous.. we need to fight for media reform too, particularly the “newspapers”
Can’t do this in 2010 we had a referendum on this. Like Brexit and Scottish independence this is not allowed. Once in a generation. Good for the goose.
Devolved Assembly has it in place and 16 year olds can vote.
Your comparison doesn't stand serious scrutiny 😢
We vote for our local representative to stand in parliament NOT for a party hence fptp the one who gets the most votes in the LOCAL constituency wins. Nuff said
Incredibly stupid biased bbc presenters trying to tell the people what they All-ready know
Where were you when the tories were the beneficiaries of the FPTP system. Hypocrites 😮
The ERS has been around the whole time? Obviously just after an election that was incredibly disproportionate and PR is being discussed they're going to get more media exposure.
They’ve existed for at least 15 years if not longer they’re oldest video is 15 years old, maybe take the time to check for literally two minutes, proportional representation would benefit everyone
I think they are going to blame Harry and Meghan for their hugeeeeee loss. Hahahaaaaaaaaaa🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃😀
You’re not funny
It's funny isn't it we had a referendum on this and it was voted to keep the same. Now people have changed their minds...................... This sounds familiar.
I'm all for a vote on this but if this can be voted on again so should brexit.
Brexit didn’t work because the government didn’t exit really. Curve ball ,not a flat out lie.
Two different subjects.
@@Dooguk but with a common thread
8 years Remoaning and counting 🤦 The EU is pathetic get a grip.
@@robmule4647 my point is how is this any different. I'll follow your lead and say we voted on this 13 years ago so stop moaning.
If the tories had won no one would have been talking about proportional representation. We have had to put up with first past the posts even though all it brings us is extreme ideologies being force on the public by the establishment parties
Reform voters would have been talking about it, and quite rightly too.
why should opinions that are only popular in a tiny area of the country be imposed over everyone?