America VS. Australia in WW2
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Battle of Brisbane
November 26-27, 1942
World War Two
During the pacific campaign of WWII, the American alliance with Australia was an important element of the allied Forces efforts to work together. Lying within reach of the Malay Archipelago and other Japanese controlled territories, Australia was a perfect base for the American Military to establish themselves.
It would serve as a starting point for the Pacific Campaign, along with deploying troops and equipment to the frontline of the fighting. The alliance between the two countries that was forged during the war has remained solid ever since however this was not always the case.
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Bryan 'Lazlo' Beauregard
I love how the aussies were immediately ready to catch and/or throw hands for a guy they literally just met
The sniper from tf2 once said always have a plan to kill everyone you meet
That tells you all you need to know about these madlads
A similar thing in Wellington nz
The battle of manners st
American are so brave behind the them gun aint it?
Its a defense mechanism we have, you cant be beaten if you beat them already
Respect to the 3 aussies that stood up for homeboy who just couldn't find his pass
For real dude, NOBODY likes MPs
Yep but don’t you have to kinda blame the mob of Aussies that became “the real problem”?
No you dont
Those aussies in particular weren't violent towards him, so no they didnt really start anything. If anything it's more so jealousy and rude behaviour towards each other that sparked these rivalries and brawls among other things.
@@danielcurtis1434 Actually the MP started the brawl, and the American’s behaviour in Australia was a problem, add to that beer and the Americans bragging about the Women and the result is fighting, plus that American MP murdering the Australian soldier, remember he is the MP that got annoyed and raised his baton and started the fighting.
It's been glossed over that the US troops HATED that Australian units were not segregated. Black Australian soldiers had the same access to establishments that they had, unlike African American troops. Also there is a good quote that US MPs were used to showing their batons and pistols to stop a riot but in Australia it's a great way of starting one.
This is the racial element another comment was asking about
Imagine going to another country and get mad at how they do things there and try to enforce your own beliefs
Kinda ironic that the video doesn't mention the racist stuff and every soldier on both sides is portrayed as white.
Probably just a simple mistake that 10 seconds on Wikipedia would have fixed.
@@beatrixwickson8477 no one
Not a single soul
That one soldier who looked different because he was in the sun, didnt wash off the grease and mentioned he doesnt mind the odd spaghetti:
RACISTSSSSS!:☝️
Australians didn't recognise the indigenous as Australians still
My Grandfather was a kiwi captain during WWII
He had many colourful sayings gathered from those times.
One of which I'll never forget.
"When the Allies fired, the Krauts ducked.
When the Krauts fired, the Allies ducked.
When the Americans fired... EVERYBODY DUCKED" 🤣😂🤣😂
I’m American and this is hilarious
@@kites4121 I’m white and I say the N word around friends.
@@youknowit8713 Im feeling confident and consider myself a highly respectable and valuable member of the aryan race!
Clap,clap, clap. The Americans killed almost as many of their own troops with friendly fire in Vietnam, so it is no shock that is what your grandfather thought of them as soldiers in WW2. There first foray in the European theatre was a disaster and the same in Nth Africa. It was the Aussies who showed them how to fight the Nazis in Africa and stopped them wasting lives for no gain, like they did in their first encounter with Rommel and the Africa korps. But I bet they don't teach you about that in American schools, do they.
Nick Gibson👍🤣😂
Never underestimate a guy's willingness to defend a friend they just made while drunk
Best comment
A few pints and shots of jaegerbombs "I would probably die for you mate"
Same
Not a friend, A MATE🇦🇺
@@Lofi-senpai ‘Straya
Had a family member who was in the Royal Canadian Navy during the Second World War. They were mainly stationed in the UK. He used to say “whenever a pub fight broke out, it was everybody against the Americans”.
Sounds about right.
im american and find that hilarious
😂😂😂
I’m American seems about right 😂
Yeah, the yanks had an annoying habit of trying to enforce their customs on everybody in their vicinity, up to and including racial segregation. Even their MPs were in on it. No wonder everybody else got pissed off at them.
That is a very American interpretation of the Battle of Brisbane, from an Australian perspective, I think the biggest issue is this. Australians are Larrikin ("a mischievous young person, an uncultivated, rowdy but good hearted person") and Americans take themselves too seriously. In most cases when Australians and Americans come to blows it is because an Australian teases or makes fun of an American (which in Australia is a sign of respect and trust between friends), and the American takes it as serious insult and altercations arise from the cultural clash, I bet there was a large element of this culture clash involved.
In Australia is is normal to make fun of your friends, being overly respectful instead signals that someone is merely an acquaintance or colleague.. but not a close friend.
I love how the three Aussies were defending their new friend without any hesitation.
Saddest part of the story for me, is that it started with some allied comradery,, as the Aussies were trying to help a Yank from getting arrested by some MP's.
That's the sad part is it wasn't even the two groups initially throwing punches it was them trying to help the soldier out
@@thecrtf4953 even tho said soldier wasn't one of their own.
it's sad the MP's didn't get off their high horse knowing people would be celebrating thanksgiving.
@@striderwander1413 Its sad that they cant follow the rules
That’s MPs for you
One of the other major issue Aussies had with the US MPs, is they really liked to draw their guns on everyone. Usually this worked with other Americans, but when pulled on Australians (as said in the video) they often got even angrier and weren’t intimidated by the firearms. This made the MPs angrier because they couldn’t abuse their power like they usually could. My family is from Brisbane, and my Grandfather describes it like nothing else he’s ever seen. Thousands of people swarmed into the street, throwing and beating because they were sick of them.
Having a ruck would be one thing but someone pulling a knife or a gun would be seen as gutless and stir up a whole new level of resentment. Pure culture clash between Australians and Americans, the attitude to firearms.
@@chrispeel3123 yeah, I’m not sure if you’re Aussie or not, if you are you know this, if not: although Australian’s loved their guns back then too, there’s the concept of “fight like a man” here which demonstrates honour in a fight, to show honour in a fight you only use fists not weapons, fight on equal terms. Americans seem to have a different mentality about weapons, maybe stemming from the duelling days in the west, they don’t need to be strong to be manly, only need to be able to shoot. That mentality would really irritate Aussie’s, even to this day Aussies anywhere would consider that a cowardly and dishonourable behaviour.
It's not hard to see Americans love their guns more than their people.
@@moonsharn As an aussie I agree -💯💯
yep Aussies only had a few rules in fighting no weapons and once a bloke is on the ground it's over. never kick a bloke while he's down
Worth mentioning that the canteen where this happened is now a 7-Eleven, and the headquarters of MacArthur now houses an Apple Store (although where MacArthur's office was, a few floors up, is a small museum dedicated to him).
Also in one scene, around 4:00 (and at the very end), it showed that the cars were driving on the right. However, in Australia we drive on the left.
McArthur chambers is what the building is called
Okay, long story... My grandfather was an American air force member. My grandmother was an Australian nurse. My grandfather was from NY, fighting in PNG, and on leave in Sydney. While there he went to the post office at Martin Place to call his fiance back in NY. Back then when you made a call you had to book it and then wait a few hours for an available line. So he went for a walk and came across an Aussie nurse on the streets waiting for... Her fiance. My grandfather asked her where he could get a feed around here (verbatim quote) and it was love at first sight. Engaged 3 days later. They planned on getting married during his next leave, but my grandfather's OC(?) wouldn't let him take more than 3 days leave (too short to go to Sydney). So she met him halfway in Townsville on the North Australian coast and they got married there. Because he was the first yank in town to get married there the entire town came to the wedding to see it. After that they split up again and he went back to the war in PNG, while my grandma went back to Sydney. It was decided after the war she would move to NY to be with him. Upon his return he sent word to her to come over. She flew to Chicago over a few days and then took a train to NY. During the train trip to NY she'd told a few people her story of why she was there and how she hadn't seen her husband in 2 years now. Word got out and people got off the train and began sending messages to Grand Central to tell them how far away the aussie bride was from her American husband. This created a bit of hooplah at grand central and by the time the train arrived a huge crowd waited to watch the couple reunite for the first time, and they embraced under cheers to hundreds of yanks at the station. Due to family issues they moved back to Sydney 2 years later and had a family there. They stayed happily married for a total of 54 years, having 3 sons (2 were still births and 1 died at 2 years old of cancer), before my mum was born.
The luck and randomness of how we all come to be is so amazing.
poor fiance
Nice story . Write it all down and keep it in a book for life to hand down the generations
@@Rusty_Gold85 It's a good idea and was planned. Only problem being it might not translate as effectively with the war aspect as I now live in Asia, with half Asian kids, working for a Japanese weapons manufacturer... Oh, how the world changes.
That's a cool story. Thanx for sharing
Wow! Just wow
And nobody American, Australian, or any other nationality likes MPs to this very day lol
some MPs actually dont like other MPs
It's the same as civilian police, bosses plus teachers and parents when we're kids, nobody likes getting busted breaking the rules
@@amnesty9043 days the mp
@@amnesty9043 my twin brother is a MP and I despise him
@@rivetRnC my twin brother is a commo, he copied me
Love that Aussie history is finally being made into cartoons with this and Mr. Mitchell History!
Australia has no history
@@LEOMESSIKING1000 it has history dude
@@LEOMESSIKING1000 Says that on a comment section of a video about Australian History. Lol.
Check out the channel “The Front”
@@doggod8152 Nope
Imagine being private Stein and having the realization of what he'd caused in the morning. Probably go down as the worst hangovers ever🤣
My grandfather, who ultimately attained the rank of Lieutenant in the Navy, was stationed in Australia in WWII. He was an air traffic controller, but he never liked talking about the war because he felt I guess some form of survivor’s guilt that he was sending people to their deaths. I can’t even begin to imagine what a mental burden that was on him to carry for 45+ years after the war.
As a civilian I lived in a military town when I was in my early twenties. I can relate to some of the Australian servicemen’s views. Most women in that town did look you over for not being a soldier.
Someone sounds jealous...
@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou And you can't even get women in a normal town..
☕☕☕☕
@@tacotuesday2489 You're right, my girlfriend lives in another town...
Someone lived in Townsville for too long
This is a very polished re telling of events from the American side.
Historically the riot took place due to three factors:
1) Australian resentment over American troops having preferential access to luxury items that were heavily rationed (and could be used to win favour with the women).
2) The very heavy handed approach of the US authority, as well as the belittling and dismissive attitude of the US media toward Austrian victories from troops who up until this point had already been fighting for over a year before the U.S. troops even arrived.
3) Very importantly (and very strangely overlooked in this video) the US policy of segregating African American troops while Black Australian troops were (more or less) integrated into the Australian army. American GIs took issue with Aussie troops mingling, drinking and generally getting along with African American troops who shared some of the same resentments toward the U.S. Authorities and attitudes of the White American GIs as the Aussies did.
Strange that this last part should be left out of the video. There were some very significant and very harsh measures taken by the US authorities to ensure segregation… it’s no small part of the story.
Wow, this is a fascinating video and will absolutely be used in my history classes!!! Videos like this is why TH-cam is worth persevering with
I think it should be noted more strongly here that this situation was brought about and constantly escalated by the American MPs. Whose brutality and poor training often shocked and appalled allied nations. Remember that despite Aussies resenting GIs in the heat of the moment they were ready to defend a yank against what they perceived to be injustice. We very keenly feel that down under, that's why the Aussie MPs were reluctant to intervene because in Australian terms the US MPs brought the situation on themselves and now had to deal with the consequences. But if you are ever looking for an interesting rabbit hole to go down look up the various incidents between US MPs and allied nations during WW2 like the time they sparked a riot in a British town for trying to segregate pubs. Or when they sparked a riot in New Zealand for trying to stop Maori servicemen from drinking with their comrades. You'll find pretty quickly that although there were tensions between the troops of the allied countries it was almost always the brutality of the MPs that sparked full scale fighting.
Yep, racism was the huge elephant in the room Simple History didn't mention. American MPs were granted authority to enforce segregation in cities where they were stationed - Brisbane being one of them. They were known to use excessive force and shoot black American and Australian troops who violated segregation policies. This appalled Australians as Australia didn't have segregation at the time.
@@TheHandgunhero reminds me of the soot suit riots
@ALAS TER What you've never hear of the Soot Suit Riots, where a bunch of chimney-sweeps had a huge brawl?
Yup. Many of those MPs came home from WW2 and became regular city cops or federal agents. If you're ever curious about why cops in the US act they way that they do currently; a lot of that behavior can be traced back to WW2 MPs.
It makes me sad that the old Yankee segregationist mindset has infiltrated British culture. A bloke flies a White Lives Matter plane in the same spirit as the Blacks Only pub and gets arrested for it.
The Brazilians and the Australians have so much in common: we are less paid, we make friends quickly when drunk, we are hospitable, we fight with foreigners because of women and people from other countries who speak our language don't understand our accent.
God bless all the aussie mates!!! 🇦🇺🇧🇷🇦🇺🇧🇷🇦🇺🇧🇷
Edit: I received a lot of responses about the well-paid Australian soldiers, so besides that, all the other things are similar to Brazil, right?
Sounds to me ya but hurt 😭
Ironically, the Australian military now pays better than the US military.
Cool
@@pvtdraco what?
Australians might not have been as well paid as Americans in WW2, but these days they're paid close to twice as much.
Difference between Australia and the USA:
USA: Any minor problem or fights calls for gun usage
AUSTRALIA: we fight with our fists and if you loose tuck your tail between your legs and walk it of.
Getting along with a bloke you just met while on the turps instantly puts you in "old mate" category.
Another reason for the resentment of the Australians against the Americans was that the Americans were claiming Australian victories on the island of Papua new guinea (where the Australians had to do a lot of the heavy lifting) as their own, painting an image of Americans saving the lazy australians in the US press.
Interestingly, American officers like Matthew Ridgway made sure that did not happen again during the Korean War. Australian soldiers after the Battle of Kapyong were given US medals and the glory (along with the Canadians and New Zealanders). I've heard a number of folks say that Korea actually won America a ton more respect, as it showed we could truly lead a coalition, were now willing to fully defend allies, viewed our allies with respect and took threats fully seriously (it also probably helped that we had an integrated military during that war, showing we were starting to change for the better).
Very true
Fucking MacArthur was responsible for that. God, I hate that guy.
@@hawkeyeten2450 the fact Americans had to try and not be egotists is a very funny concept to me
@@HappyLarry. It's not that funny, actually. America had SEVERE problems in the early 20th Century ("Manifest Destiny" got out of control culturally and politically, Ethnic prejudice against multiple non-Anglo-Saxon groups in the north and south was among the worst ever, and many Americans viewed Europe and similar groups with contempt). We were still trying to get these problems out of our culture and attitudes in the 1940s and 50s (though I am pleased to say we had made significant progress by the early 50s, even though we still had a lot of work to do). Unfortunately, America becoming the only true superpower caused some of this cultural arrogance to re-emerge (disgustingly). We need to eat more humble pie, to say the least. General Ridgway is fast becoming one of my favorite commanders because of how well he represented us (unlike MacArthur or worse that despicable man Mark Clark).
That is NOT how I expected this to have all started
imagine being a drunk US soldier in australia walking and you stumble apon a group of aussies and start talkin and having fun with em, and then some of your comrades US MP, start to take you away from your new friends and then they start fighting over you like a woman, and start an entire riot accidentally.
There's some info left out specifically how the Australians hated us troops segregating their units
Minor edit- Hamilton wharf is on The Brisbane River, The Gold Coast is further South & another city. Great vid btw!
Was just about to make the same comment.
It was a fair assessment of one part of the "Battle of Brisbane". It kind of missed the part where there was a shootout on a railway platform. That one was actually a lot worse. The Aussies instigated but they were in a wooden rail carriage while the American troops had stone cover from the structures on the platform. Not our finest hour as allies.
Wait you''re telling me the Australian American war in the GTA universe wasn't just a meme?
Try looking up the Banana Wars. Rare actually did a video game about it.
Biggest war since the big one!
wait, you're telling me there's an actual Asutralian-American War in GTA's lore!?
no wonder they haven't done a GTA game in Australia lmaoo
If Rockstar needed any reason to explain that this would be it
Throwing hands with people you just met?
Just an average night out in Australia.
You ain’t never been to New York
Never would happen here in Moscow
@@russia_not_prussia coz all the men are already conscripted and off to Ukraine
Then being best mates with them an hour later and having a drink together.
The battle of Hobart has been raging every night for decades.
I never thought I’d see the Battle of Brisbane covered on such a big channel!
Thank you ❤
This happened a lot, yank MPs were killed in Townsville quite often and in a lot of other towns, in New Zealand a bunch of yanks tried to go to kiwi pup and kick all the Māoris out, it really didn’t go that well for them nearly all the yanks ended up in hospital.
Lol good , should’ve sent them back to yankee land in boxes
@@oopsydaizi3s824 Fuckin aye, the cowards shouldn’t of even bothered “helping” in WW2 they did more harm than good.
Ah yesss the brothers across the isle are so similar yet so different Anzac means a lot to true blue aussies we respect your past elders who fought for this land 🙏🏽 sad that the government have the nations apart and can’t come together we would be a force for the southern hemisphere. Kiwi brute and Aussie grit ✊🏽
Lesson learned: Don't mess with Māoris. They're awesome people, but they don't take crap from anyone. And that's as it should be.
@@juvantelynch7509 Ah yes I remember the good
Ol’ 1945 reddit. Those were the days.
I love how it actually started as 3 Aussies defending an American from MPs.
Then just turned into a clusterfuck.
If only they could have united over their collective hatred of MPs. 😂
MacArthur had censorship control over the Australian media, and the backdrop of this incident was Australians going to face a Japanese invasion in New Guinea alone while US soldiers stayed home "with the women" (in such terms young men think). Prime Minister Curtin died of stress before the end of the war partly because of this situation. A generation later Prime Minister Gough Whitlam pulled Australia out of the Vietnam war, and then tried to leave the US alliance partly because of this history, and Prime Minister Paul Keating elevated the New Guine Kokoda campaign in ANZAC celebrations to show how we can't rely on the US alliance for Australian defence because it's largely a one way deal, and how we need to look to our own defence, and also make our own way in our international relations. This is also why the Americans paper over the context around the "Battle of Brisbane", especially now most of the WWII generation are gone and can't argue. The US airmen and navy were popular however because they were going out and mixing it up - that's why the Battle of the Coral Sea was celebrated a couple of decades ago when many more WWII people were alive, and could talk to younger generations about those aspects... and only now the "Battle of Brisbane" rewrite is happening.
ACTUAL fucken FACTS lmao
@@markp6621 Yeah NZ and AUS have Censorship Deparments, its fucking stupid and I WILL burn them down, CENSOR THAT ASSHOLES.
Well the brainless diggers then went on to attack random American soldiers for no fucking reason. Cops being heavy handed on the seppo sides and the cops on the Australian side being useless.
Sounded like tall poppy syndrome to me with the jealousy over the seppos. Fucking disgraceful
@@midgetwars1 okay buddy calm down
I live in Hamilton, Brisbane. First I've heard of this story. Thanks for creating and sharing.
I'm from Brisbane and never heard of this awesome story! cheers
New Zealand, had a similar battle in Wellington, NZ's capital city, The Battle of Manners Street. Which was riot/ mass brawl between Kiwi Soliders and Yank solders because there was Maori Soliders in the Service man's Club on Manners Street Wellington, which the Americans complained about... it some how spiraled out into a mass brawl/riot on the street with about 500 men on each side
Same thing happened in the UK, the battle of Bamber Bridge, British troops and locals fought American MP's, because of the way they treated black GI's, that was just one of many incidents ...
Bruh the U.S just likes to cause problems don't they. They also messed up things in Okinawa with the civilians, and they even had a grudge against the U.S for it, some even said they were sometimes no better than the Japanese.
There were other incidents in Australia, including a violent mutiny in Townsville on the 22-23 of May 1942 by African American troops against their white commanders that resulted in an American officer being killed and an 8 hour siege and gunfight between African American troops and White American and Australian troops with dozens severely injured.
"Court Martial!"
There were some fights between white and black Americans GI’s
I wonder if the same thing happened with white and aboriginal Australians troops
1:07 Correction. Yes, Hamilton is a suburb of Brisbane, the state capital. However the Gold Coast is a city 100km South... and the "Eastern Gold Coast" is the pacific ocean
I'd give south straddie a go at being eastern gold coast
New Zealand will now be referred to "Eastern Gold Coast"
A little under 100km (eg, I live in Pimpama, which is the northern end of the Gold Coast, but only 49km from Brisbane CBD. 100km would get you closer to Tweed 😉 But yes! Came here to suggest that the Gold Coast was not an accurate description!
I did my history thesis for my BA (Hons) on the subject of the New South Wales Police in WW2. The influx of American service personnel created unique policing problems. The retired policemen I interviewed spoke of having to regularly break up brawls but also restrain the (quite young) US MP and SP personnel who carried enormous Nightsticks and .45 service pistols and were not afraid to use them.
Your comment made me really proud to have chosen history for my college degree. We future historians tell the facts, the events for all mankind to always know.
@@ernestov1777 Hate to break it too you but there aren't a lot of careers you can get with a history diploma, I'm big into history but I wouldn't pay for a diploma I couldn't do anything with
@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou You can work at historical research firms alongside archaeologists to write academic publications on new discoveries. Many people with advanced degrees in the science department have that job.
@@TheOneManWhoBeatYou There are plenty of jobs you can get with that diploma, if you go into Archaeology.
Growing up as my dad was a MP for awhile in the US Navy, it was well understood that the US MPs(army,navy, marines,etc) can and will use deadly force incredibly fast. If you try to attack a soldier, sailor, officer or break into a PX you are more than likely going to get shot in the face. You might get lucky and beaten/stomped out
Love the video my guy hope you do more similar later on. I never knew about this thank you have you done anything on the zoot suit riots?
There are many australian war brides living in the USA that were also a foundation for this tension in Brisbane. My nan used to visit one through out the years when she went to the USA. Dorothy I think her name was, I met her once when she travelled to Australia on a holiday. According to my mother those war brides were also entitled to something but it was never received due to the tension between the troops can't remember what though.
A similar thing happened in Wellington, New Zealand, in 1943, called the Battle of Manners Street.
A similar thing happened in the UK as well. Only it was more race involved. Cant remember wich town but some Black GI's were enjoying a nice time out when MPs showed up to arrest them. The locals stepped in to help the GIs and it escalated into a full riot
Were the US soldiers stealing all the sheep? 😅😉
@@-Neo_Genesis- no they were trying to enforce racial segregation on the local maori people.
@@sexylinoleum9488 good way to be beaten by said local population
@@enja001 that's exactly what happened
So, ironically, if the American MP had shown a bit of patience with the one American soldier who was getting along wonderfully well with his Australian counterparts.... The riot *NEVER* would have happened.
Nah, the MPs realised the soldier was drunk and wanted to take him away as fast as possible because the high tension between American and Aussie at that time
@@navyseal1689 Nah man MPs are just dickheads just go ask any serviceman that isn't one.
Yeah but mate, aussies are gonna do what we’re always gonna do, give a new mate a hand, don’t matter what the reason is.
@@redsnek3548 We in the States could learn a lot from you.
@@navyseal1689
Group of happy drunks, hanging around, laughing, having a good time. Yeah, in that one particular case; there was zero tension.
Love it good to know
This is such a Seppo point of view and leaves out a tonne on details
My grandpa was a Helmsman in the US Coast Guard in WWII. He was stationed in Perth, Australia. He rescued allied naval sailors, whose ships were sunk by the Japanese. He never experienced any animosities towards him, by the Australians.
We don’t beat up all Americans, just the arrogant ones. Your grandpa was must have been a very respectable person lol
@@sumbigdumkunt That he sure was. He was out a sea for most of his deployments. He also hardly drank too.
Well it makes sense that the Aussies wouldn’t attack their rescuers 😂
There was the incident where Australian soldiers were angered by the way African American servicemen were being treated and another fight broke out. Dad served alongside some US units during campaigns in New Guinea as an infantryman with the 2/7th AIF. Dad never mentioned any animosity with the US troops but certainly envied their equipment and resources. Dad would tell stories of when he was on leave back in Australia, how more often than not, he and his mates would often pick fights with MP's, and often ended up on charges. The fact that Aussie women found the Yanks more appealing was fact. The Yanks were seen as semi-hollywood stars and more sophisticated than our blokes. The reality was the Yanks saw themselves as better in every way than the Aussie Soldier having been portrayed by Hollywood as the best soldiers and unbeatable. The cultural difference was the main factor in the rivalry, but when in action together, there was mutual support. In reality, Australian soldiers had mor issues with British Soldiers, with little respect for their fighting ability, especially after the action in North Africa.
My Grandfather serve with the 39th in New Guinea.
@@angrycrusader3926 great Battalion
They did the exact same thing on British soil, aswell. They tried to enforce their "Jim Crow" laws against their own Gi's, it's known as the "The Bamber Bridge incident"
Australia had the white Australia policy no black servicemen were allowed in Australia
@@SpurofOz
The white Australia policy was created by the British Colonial Administration, it was mainly created to stop the mass influx of Chinese miners to the gold fields, it was an extremely unpopular act that the Australian People voted to abolish.
As for the so called bullshit about no black servicemen were allowed in Australia, over 10'000 Aboriginals served in the Australian Imperial Forces along side white soldiers, In fact here is the name of one!
Reginald Walter 'Reg' Saunders,
Rank: Captain.
Service number: VX12843.
Units: 2/7th Australian Infantry Battalion AIF, 3rd Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment,
Conflicts/Operations: Second World War, 1939-1945 (North African campaign, Battle of Greece, Battle of Crete, Salamaua-Lae campaign, Aitape-Wewak campaign) , Korea, 1950-1953 (Battle of Kapyong, Battle of Maryang San).
Hey, that was pretty cool,thanks!
Good on ‘em 👍
There's a movie old movie that deals the conflict between American and Aussie troops. But it's mostly about the true story of an American soldier who was a serial killer and is the only American serviceman executed by an allied country. Death of a Soldier (1986) and it's on YT.
Sounds great, I'll check it out, thanks!
There is a back story of GI deserters stealing war supplies and Trucks behind the lines in Europe. It was half the reason there advance stopped as the Black market was pinching supplies and Trucks to take fuel to the Front lines. There criminal element from Chicago and New York enlisted too
In 2018 I had a chance to serve along side the Australian army and navy. I'm in the uscg and we got to go to Australia. We served on the HMAS Adalade and went to PNG for security for the APEC meeting. We got along great with them and to this day I still keep intouch with my aussie mates. Funny side note, on the ship about a few months before we got there a group of US marines were on the ship and well, typical marines tried to hook up with all the ladies. For us, being my unit comprises more older married men we weren't like the young 20 some year old marines, and the Aussie ladies loved us for that.
Of course.. it's just the 1940 Americans
@@dreemlite5950 you guys have the best woman
It's sad 90% of you guys were being cheated on. Probably should have all engaged with the local women to make up for all the military wives who aren't faithful.
HMAS Adelaide* :)
You have definitely served with my mates on HMAS Adelaide, I went to another ship before you came aboard.
I’m from Brisbane. There’s hundreds of Battles every weekend in the valley.
My father happened to be around the corner when that fight broke out and missed the action. He told me lots of stories about being based in Brisbane, especially with the US personal, but I'm starting to forget them. Now I wished I listened closely and had written those stories on paper .
“Over paid, over-sexed, and over here!”
The rooster on Chicken Run said that about the American rooster 😂 really glad to find out where that comes from after all of these years. Thank you sir.
Haha that's awesome!
@@nicholasmaher843
I watched that movie soooo many times when I was a boy.
Interestingly the British said much the same thing about the Aussies in WW1
I was thinking that when I heard that line
@@alankohn6709
Penal colony chattel! lol jk
i find this story and the events that unfolded unsurprising. Australian values have a heavy emphasis on mateship and helping so to see a mate being dragged off for getting his papers out too slowly is an injustice that Australians would not tolerate. I honestly can't blame the Aussies.
4:44 that checks out
I remember my Grandmother talking about the US soldiers stationed around Adelaide during WWII. Initially they did garner some interest, for the reasons mentioned in this video, but it didn't take long for the interest to turn into annoyance and anger at the way some of the US soldiers behaved - lots of cat calling, lewd remarks, groping women in public, etc. She did say that a lot of the US soldiers were well mannered & seemed like nice guys, but there was also a contingent who, especially when they were drinking , started getting a bit too hands on with the local women (even those who were clearly accompanied by a boyfriend or spouse). This lead to some scuffles breaking out between the US soldiers and the local population, who took offence to seeing Australian women subjected to public harassment.
My grandmother and grandfather met on glenelg beach in 1942 and if my grandmother wanted to piss my grandfather off ( even in their 70's) she would talk about how the yanks always had money to pay for the extra things in the local deli's.. he would go out to the shed for hours after those comments.
@@jasonwieland8906 So it’s true that everything in Australia kills you. Even emotionally by your spouse.
My great grandfather who I never had the privilege to meet (a rat of tobruk) said to my nan one time the Aussies were on a train leaving for duty and the Americans were yelling out rude things like "what's your wife's name I'll keep her company" or "where's your house I'll swing by once you're gone" just vile crap and
Apparently all the Aussies jumped off the train and proceeded to beat the ever living life out of the yanks.
I wonder where they were camped? Adelaide was spread out and had large tracks of empty land then .And all of the Commonwealth barracks and land were being sold off during the early 80's
@claireeyles7560 Did your grandmother talk about how a US soldier is your real grandfather. I'll bet she was a real tart and her real annoyance is that her American boyfriend left her behind in that 3rd world country.
A good dust up between friends. Sounds like a fun Saturday night.
Makes me think of the Pacific episode where the US Marines are in Melbourne.
Yep, work of fiction.
How do I live in Brisbane and hadn’t heard of this full case?? Great job as per usual simple history!
It was heavily censored and covered up, with only the Courier Mail barely mentioning it in a publication the day after and American and Australian servicemen strictly forbidden to document or write about it, for fear that Japan would use the incident to drive further divide between Australian and the USA. As a result, very little documentation and mentions of the incident exist so very little is known about it or able to be academically taught.
I have relatives in Brisbane 👍🏻
I'm Brisbane born and know about it but it was swept under the rug
Brisbane City council does a crap job on promoting history.. useless at preservation of it also
That’s the Australian education system. There’s so much amazing history here and beyond that we are never taught in school and even university. But it wasn’t always this way.
Kind of wholesome that Aussies will look out for other drunkards even if they aren’t of their own kin.
Aussies have a keen sense of justice if nothing else
@@RM-yk1oi exactly, unless someone has done something very serious (like drunk driven and hit something, or belted someone badly) then Aussies will stick up for drunk strangers being questioned by police, if it is something minor (like pissing in public, or taking some drugs or something) then Aussies will back them up.
Australians culture is all about doing right by each other cause at the end of the day they was surviving in a brutal time and harsh climate.. I respect them highly
like a mother hen LOL
@@deathtoming2201 our morales are changing rapidly as we speak
Bruh that's crazy how jealousy can cause so much chaos
I appreciate this video because the Battle of Brisbane, is one of my favourite Aussie history story (as someone who is Brisbane local.)
But you left out a lot of really fun details of this story, and anyone curious should look up the wikipedia article on it.
Fun excerpts from the wiki:
"By 8 p.m. up to 5,000 people were involved in the disturbance. Several Australian MPs removed their armbands and joined in. Corporal Duncan Caporn commandeered a small truck driven by an Australian officer and three soldiers. The truck contained four Owen sub-machine guns, several boxes of ammunition and some hand grenades. The local Brisbane Fire Brigade arrived but simply looked on and did not use their hoses. The American authorities were later to criticise them for not doing so."
"On the following night, a crowd of 500 to 600 Australian servicemen gathered outside the Red Cross building. The PX building was under heavy security and heavily armed American MPs were located on the first floor of the Red Cross. NCOs went through the crowd and confiscated several hand grenades. In Queen Street, a group of soldiers armed with MP batons ran into 20 U.S. MPs who formed a line and drew their handguns. An Australian officer intervened and persuaded the American commander to take his men away from the area. The crowd then moved to the corner of Queen and Edward Streets outside MacArthur's headquarters in the AMP Building and began shouting abuse towards the building. The intersection was filled with rings of Australians beating up GIs and more than 20 were injured.
- The final excerpt I'll share because it's the most Australian thing you'll ever read:
U.S. Army Sergeant Bill Bentson, who was present on both nights, recalled how he was amazed to see "Americans flying up in the air."
But after that, it sort of settled down and you go into a pub and an Aussie would come and up and slap me on the back. "Oh, wasn't that a good ruckus we had the other night? And have a beer on me."
Seems to have glazed over a lot of issue faced by the Australian population in regards to American troops being stationed there. You have the Townville mutiny and a few other events that more than highlight the disgraceful behaviour of American Military personel.
What seems to be missing in the video was Australian and American soldiers did, in general, get along but, Australian soldiers (including MPs) saw Americans MPs as harsh, heavy handed and overtly aggressive, and there tended to be more American MPs in Brisbane City than Australian MPs. Hence the Australian MPs hung back when American MPs were being beaten.
It was also a matter of disgust at US MPs beating up black US soldiers, who were seen as 'good lads' by the aussies.
I love how all parties involved managed to keep their hats on, no matter what was going on, or how hard they were punched, and fell to the floor.
Cover the Townsville mutiny next.
It has not been mentioned that US personnel also actively pursued married women who some had husbands serving in Africa, Australia to them was a R'n'R. When Kokoda started Australian personnel were just coming back from Africa, immediately were redeployed to PNG with units being under supplied(munitions and food). Australia did it tough in Australia ww2 and where it mattered....US soldiers weren't there.
The U.S. did the brunt of the fighting on the pacific front and the western European front after pearl harbor. What do you mean? You want to discount American involvement because they weren't apart of the commonwealth following the British around like dogs? Let's not forget the Americans staged up in Australia to defend from a Japanese attack that the Australian government was sure was going to happen. In the four years the U.S. was in the war(2 years less than the commonewealth) they lost just as many soldiers as they were pushing the front lines both east and west. You should try having respect for others that died in that war that aren't your own countrymen
Might want to fact check that, Japan had decided long prior a main land attack on Australia was unwise. There was no need to flood Australia with American troops, it was simply rnr for them. No questions about their efforts in the pacific but they did not do the gorilla ware fare in png to near the extent of the aussies. Just like the Aussie sas taking care of business in Afghanistan behind enemy lines…. Aussies get it done without all the American noise and bragging.
@@matthewrivard7802 mate, listen to what he’s trying to say. US joined in December 1941.
USA almost joined half way through the war. By that time, the Aussies were already hard core vets in the conflict. Imagine being Aussie, having fought across North Africa and wherever else and coming to find young, immature idiots try and grope/hook up with your spouses on your own damn soil.
@@matthewrivard7802 have a lot of respect for US forces , however your position is also very slanted. Yes the US joined WW2 late because the US government believed in ‘isolationism’ at the time, and only after Pearl Harbour did the US join. This is taking nothing away from any person that served in WW2. The US did fight in the Pacific because that where the enemy was and where the Generals sent them. None has ever said anything about the US having to follow the British - I don’t know what that really even means. Been around a lot of ‘Septics’ - many are great - many are not. But when you go around continuously saying ‘we are the greatest country’, I don’t know - arrogance, child-like indoctrination…. It’s more than a little rude. There is a reason you have two ears and one mouth!
@@andrewfleming6487 while I agree with you I can understand why he's upset lately alot of people act like Americans had no impact on the war at all.
Whitch is entirely false America had a large impact on that war even in the beginning America was still sending large amounts of resources to the allies.
Now I do agree there are some annoying americans that come out with a nonsense stance and think America won the war but that doesn't mean we should deny the sacrifices made by the dead.
The last surviving WW1 Canadian soldier mentioned when he was in England, some British mistreated the Canadian soldiers or some Canadian soldiers, and the Canadians got into a brawl with the British.
The Canadians were British back then
Most of the Canadian troops in ww1 were British born Canadians.
@@janeeire2439 no Canada was on its own country since arround 1870
@@Zamoksva it was a dominion and seen as a cultural extension of Britain
@@q11q40 Yes but it was a self governing dominion and became a country, the same is today
You should do a video on the battle of manners Street
My dad visited Australia when he was in the Marines and he said he loved it
Quality of content just keeps going up. Thanks for what you do.
Your animations are getting really good!
Born and raised in Brisbane. Hamilton is located in Brisbane, it's close to the start of the Brisbane River. By today's standards it would take 5mins to drive from Hamilton to Brisbane cbd. The gold coast is an hours drive away. Brisbane during this time was still more like a large farming town. Also we mostly came from convicts, so we were a little rough during this time and pulling a gun would of been a sign of disrespect and cowardice. You would only pull it out if you planned to kill, which would of escalated things. Also a fair fight with your fists was an unwritten agreement between most men to solve disagreements during this time. The ladies would of enjoyed the exotic sounds of the U.S. troops voices. Which in turn also started a bit of a baby boom changing Brisbane from a country town to a city, which was helpful as alot of the local boys had been killed in the war. McArthur chambers still stands today in the heart of the CBD, also known as the queen street mall. It's directly across from tiffany and co and Louis Vuitton.
One thing that wasn't mentioned here was that the Americans constantly taunted Australian soldiers as there were embarking for operation, one of the most common was ' don't worry while you are gone will will entertain your women'. This was another thing that cause many scuffles between them and while I can't 100% confirm this but in history we were taught that during one of these lesser fights an American officer shot a Aussie with his side arm.
Oh and yes I'm an Aussie.
I absolutely love our Aussie brothers and sisters, and the ADF. I didn’t learn it in school, (American) but they have always had our backs!
Did your education cover the Amercian napalming of a Scottish Highland Regiment during the Korean War or that RAAF Mustangs strafed and killed 700 US and South Korean Troops on a train?
@@SpectreOZ Settle down you flog.
@@jakotae The darker side of history isn't always so well covered in Schools, if asking questions offends you.... best stick to *Tik Tok* 🤣
@@SpectreOZ asking questions doesn't offend me champ. But people making stupid comments does. And sorry to disappoint you but I don't do SM.
A lot of crucial war efforts by small numbers of Australian troops particularly in both world wars tend to go severely unnoticed :/
Well I have to say this account is pretty accurate to the official history but when I was a young man I had the privilege of working with some old fellas who were seasoned Australian combat solders who were in the Battle of Brisbane. First time I ever heard about it according to them this battle did not cease for days until Australian solders chased every American out of town. A few years later I was in the States at a bar in Arizona got talking to a bunch of American airforce veterans who spent time in Brisbane ww2 and who I would instantly give respect to because of their service. They actually tried to give me a hard time about Australia's involvement in WW2. All I said was were you in the Battle of Brisbane and they shut up , enough said
As an Australian, the most impressive part of this video is that this particular American narrator actually pronounces 'Brisbane' properly.
yeah
Remember reading this somewhere very interesting.
Kinda ironic how American and Australian soldiers were comrades on the battlefield but as soon as they arrived on Australian soil they started fighting each other
Well yea, Americans were super racist at the time and the Commonwealth wasn't.
It's pretty obvious why the two didn't get along.
@@_l-_-l_ wasn’t about racism but sure
@@_l-_-l_ the video literally mentioned nothing about racism
@@_l-_-l_ you're a m0ron.
@@_l-_-l_ ah yes, the non-racist Commonwealth led by the British colonizers who still held brutal colonies all over Africa and Asia. 😂
Being from Brisbane I can tell you, this is a regular Friday/Saturday night 😂 fights everywhere
Living in the valley?
Yep 👍🍻
@@deanhunter1753 And in Ipswich, entertainment was watching domestics out the front of the train station.
It was like they were trying to get Jerry Springer to relocate.
Caxton St after Origin 😉
This is the 1st i ever heard of it... sad situation indeed.. but if there are stories like this im sure there are many many more..
As a Australian, I didn't even know this until it showed up in my recommendations
Gotta love it, can't wait to see more
Being a very proud Aussie an loving history this was a video right up my alley
🇦🇺:”I’m sorry
🇺🇸:”me too”
🇦🇺:”But we’re still Allies though right?”
🇺🇸:”Yep”
🇨🇦: "Me three."
@The Dark Rapist no game
So you have citizenship for both
🇺🇲: "No need for apologies from anyone. We all know it's the manky pigs (MPs) who're to blame."
@@user-Aaron- Germany: Can i join too?
There was also a small rebellion of the Black US troops who were stationed in North Queensland that was quietly taken down quite an interesting event in history there
During WW2 in Melbourne, there was a serial killer (referred as the “Brownout Murders”). The killer was a GI who was hanged at Pentridge Prison (called Bluestone College). I read that Gen Douglas Macarthur approved the execution, but I later learned that the approval came from the president.
I take with a grain of salt but apparently some MPs came to Pentridge and said “stand aside, bud, we wanna use your gallows”. I think there would have been more planning in that. The same gallows that hanged Ronald Ryan.
I'm from brissy, I knew two now passed diggers who were there. Overpaid, over sexed, and over here.
Sadly Macarthur treated Australians like garbage, his sentiment was carried by his troops.
Even though we'd been in it from the start fighting the Japanese on our own, if it hadn't been for the efforts of the Australians and new Zealanders and the intelligence as well as holding them off, the war may very well have ended quite differently.
My father saw action, as a commissioned officer, in Borneo.
He had no time for yank troops and no time for Macarthur.
He realised that Macarthur considered Aussies to be nothing more than 'expendable cannon fodder'.
@@trueaussie9230 sadly that's exactly right, many diggers were very surprised by how arrogant the Americans were and when it came to them in the heat of battle many did not handle it at all. There are many stories of them withdrawing to the utter amazement of the ANZACs.
They did become more accustomed to battle but I honestly believe they learned a lot from our troops and gave zero recognition.
They love to claim they won the war outright but that just isn't accurate at all.
yea this video seems to have a very strong american bias. Trying to pretend that what is so obvious to australians, that the americans were just being C*nts. Imagine pulling out a shot gun and firing on allies.
Then you'll LOVE what US General Matthew Ridgway did in Korea with Australian soldiers. The man from what I've seen was literally the anti-MacArthur, he actually had his right-hand man General Van Fleet pin US medals on the "Diggers" who helped win the Battle of Kapyong, and gave them and the other Commonwealth troops there the full glory. He's probably one of the only American generals I've seen other than Norman Schwarzkopf that is unanimously praised by historical sources, whether American, British or Commonwealth. A truly incredible man.
@@ironhornforge7970 you would have stood no chance without the us
Brisbane Resident here!! Thanks for including a piece of our cities history In your channel!!
I’d never heard about the Battle of Brisbane until I visited Toowong Cemetery a few years ago in Brisbane and saw the grave site of PTE Webster.
I believe an Australian journalist witnessed the whole event but she blocked from publishing it by the Australian and American government as they didn't want more incidents of infighting between the two allies.
But this event would've never happened if the yanks sent anyone other than the self righteous McAuthur. He was the primary reason tensions were so high. Not the excuse Americans make that American troops had better rations and pay. It was the way McAuthur treated Australians.
He genuinely hated Australians for no reason. He would report all Australian victories as either Joint or American victories even when there was no Americans present for example. It's the main reason why you never see Australian involvement in the pacific front in media because McAuthur didn't want a hurt ego so he lied about most of the campaign.
A similar situation occurred in New Zealand during WW2. The Battle of Manners Mall in Wellington. Simple History, you should do a story on that event.
I remember covering this briefly in school but continued my research as I'm from Brisbane I found it very interesting. I have also been to General MacArthur's Brisbane residence while stationed there and sat in his chair a great piece of history still remains and most of the city doesn't even know.
The us troops arrived in "hamilton wharf in Brisbane, located on the eastern gold coast". They probably departed from San Francisco, located in northern Las Vegas.
This sort of thing happens not infrequently when the troops of more than one nation are thrown together.
"But after that, it sort of settled down and you go into a pub and an Aussie would come and up and slap me on the back. "Oh, wasn't that a good ruckus we had the other night? And have a beer on me." - U.S. Army Sergeant Bill Bentson, describing the aftermath of the riots.
Buy those three Aussies a beer for sticking up for that one GI!
Australian MP’s turned up and we’re like “no they need to hear this”
You should do a video about mps
I love how the aussies were immediately ready to catch hands for a guy they literally just met
Man that escalated REALLY quickly.