Does this mean Kop and KDS expansion at Liverpool F.C’s Anfield Road Expansion Update
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- Does having trackless trams mean Liverpool Football Club can carry out expansion of the Kop and Sir Kenny Dalglish stands at Liverpool Football Clubs Anfield Road Expansion Update
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If the expanded the kemlyn road and kop I don't want corporate seat's in the kop just more seats for ordinary local fans
Hopefully they keep it that way
Always been the same my mate, we’re never listened too! @HJC
The fans are listened to, over the last couple of years the owners have backed down twice due to fan pressure. @@DaveSCameron
Local?
Why a train station wasn't built at utting avenue cherry lane area decades ago to serve both Anfield and Goodison there's plenty of industrial land to build on a glider system is just a bus we need a dedicated tram rail system
As they say in Jurassic park
" Don't go cheap on me now Rotherham"
Congratulations on your work, I'm a Liverpool fan from Brazil 👏👏👏👏
Thank you so much I appreciate that
Nice to see international LFC fans and I’m with you about this channel and it’s work, great stuff. LFC 3-2 CdA
Gliders is built by Van Hool and used in Belfast they are a hybrid vehicle and run on roads no track etc required
I think it’s important for the city of Liverpool to get a rail or tram link from lime st to Anfield & Goodison
Goodison could be rebuilt into a modern 25,000 seater stadium for the Everton & Liverpool women’s to share with the biggest games being played at Anfield & Bramley Moore. This would also enable FSG to increase the SKD stand & the kop as you stated
If u want to celebrate high testosterone, why don't u just watch mens football? Women's football is a propagandist gimmick peddled by the Establishment with little to zero natural support. Hopefully people will see thro this Emperor's New Clothes project and realise women's football is something to be concerned at, not something to "admire".
Great video Kev, trackless trams or road trains are used extensively over here. The biggest users are at the theme parks at Disney world in Florida. An engine (tractor) pulling a series of passenger cars behind it and they can get very long and move large amounts of people quickly.
Thanks mate
We have the gliders here in belfast .just a tram on wheels, lol it will inly work if you have bus lanes in Liverpool.
Hey Kev, nice meeting you in the park today, keep up the great work mate 👌🏻
And you mate, thanks for stopping by
The road remains fenced off except for match days until all the snagging work is complete,hopefully all that exterior snagging works and the last few bits of cladding etc will be complete by mid May at the very very latest. I really dont know why they cant open up the forever stones area now and just fence off the rest ofthe road area which is directly behind the stand if they have to ensure safety building site standards until all work is completed
I now live in the South West, near the City of Bath, and "bendy buses" did operate in the City, though I can't recall seeing any for some time. They a literally two single decker buses joined together by a concertina middle section.
Thanks for the info
"Bendys" are used extensively in many of the bigger towns in Switzerland. I believe they are common in other EU countries as well.
Thank you kev. Another great update . Stay safe .YNWA 🙏
Thanks David
Hi Kev, great video. It seems they still have to repair the black railings that they removed .
Ah I missed that
How does trackless trams work?
Trackless Trams are a new sustainable form of public transport. They run on rubber tyres instead of steel tracks and the ride is smooth due to stabilising technology in the suspension. They are guided by a digital rail with sensors built into the road surface.
Good info thank you
Would it be possible to turn the old railway tracks into those roads with sensors? If so they might be looking at doing that instead of a train service, just having a loop road made out of the old railway line.
Not sure if that's possible, though.
trackless trams if there anything like the new trains the will have issues and break down trams and run smooth with the amount of pot holes thats a joke
whipless claims going in every home game
As a few have mentioned Glider is used in Belfast. They are bigger than a bendy bus an operate as a rapid transit system using dedicated bus lanes. They speed through traffic quicker than busses and operate here on specific routes. A good example would be from the Airport to the city centre and back. Trouble is they cause a build up in traffic for cars as they use up a lane.
That will be a massive problem in Liverpool
they wont be suitable for the roads of Liverpools as the pots holes are like man holes the council need to re surface
the roads b4 wasting tax payers money on bus's that will end up on a scap heap due to the damage caused
like mersy rail when they bought the new 8 car trains no one had the brains and say we should measure the platforms first
as there not long enough for most of the platforms ie southport at moorfields central st james is the platform
going to be in the tunnels same for wirral line underground.
by the time they exstend all platforms on mersy rail the trains will be 40 yrs old and will be still using current trains in another 40 years from now
which are alraedy old and out dated and the new trains will be the same
Great news if it comes off about making our mighty Kop even mightier!!😊🤞🤞🤞I've shared this video on my group Kev,,(YNWA❤) & asked people to subscribe to yours.Thanks.YNWA🔴👏👏👏
Oh brilliant Tish, thank you
@@Kevcupo 👍👍👍😊
Cheers Kev. Just wondering if you get a close look at the Annie/Main stand corner next time you up there. Particularly around the strip just to the right of the scaffolding on the roof. Few leaks from the ceiling in AU7 last night around rows 13 to 16.
The trackless trams sounds like a good idea. I don’t think some big stadiums have a working train station ie Utd? They do have trams though.
I’ll try and take a look mate, yeah trams at Manchester pass as a rail system as they run on tracks
Cheers Kev. Yeah I'm from Belfast and we have those 'Gliders' - they are basically a bendy bus with covers of the wheels 🙈🤣👍⚽️
Great video as always Kev👍
Great video ,can iask you abt the closed railway station,,if they do ever do more expansion,,they will have to reopen that line and how far is from the ground ,,well done today KC
It’s too far away from the stadium to class as a direct link
As a lifelong red, I would love to see an expanded Kop and SKD stand. However, we have to be realistic.
The biggest single obstacle to any further expansion is the cost.
Unlike the Main Stand and ARE, it would not be possible to use any of the existing structures in an either an expanded Kop, or SKD.
Both stands would have to be demolished and completely rebuilt to expand capacity. Add in the cost of acquiring properties and land, as well as obtaining the necessary consents / compulsory purchase orders / re-routing Walton Breck Road you are probably looking at combined coasts in excess of £400 million. When you throw in the loss of capacity / revenue during the rebuild, it would be beyond the financial means of the club.
The ideal solution would be this:-
1)4 big stands, maybe big corners. With plenty of "breathing space" around ie landscaping and stores/leisure facilities.
2)A Kop that allows small concerts eg 22k or 25k.
3)Transport via rail tunnels (from Sandhills, city centre and Bootle line) and road via the Stanley Park side. This could mean many events at Anfield without local residents even noticing visitors.
4)Perhaps even a retractable roof. (Would allow a wide range of regular events outside of matchday too).
5)Weekday Anfield is a possible park and ride to the city centre (using Stanley Park).
6)Anfield and surrounds become a thriving, prosperous area with many jobs available and many facilities. Unlike the desert it is currently.
Currently, its a complete myth that Anfield has been regenerated. Infact with those completely unsuitable new houses, the area went backwards in many ways!
The music industry wants stadium events all year long, and there is certainly the demand for it. Anfield would be set as the Wembley of the North.
Financially a very sensible project. And great for the city, the North of England and most importantly for the fans.
Just spent about 3B quid 😂🤣
@@Barts027The first 2 stands were 200m inc the land. Say the next 2 would be 260m if we generously allow for inflation. 4 corners 140m estimate. Then the rail links from stations that are already pretty close by. Not a lot of money at all to build a genuine Wembley of the North.
You clearly do not live in the UK 😂
@@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Well half the population are African or Pakistani but technically at least, it's still called the UK.
PS where do u live? Boston Massachusets?
I get the bus in to the 917 bus in to the City Centre now and it’s getting so much busier since the new stand expansion. So a further expansion would definitely need a much better transport set up and much more parking
Maybe this is the answer then?
The club might do something to fill in the sides of the Kop, but can't ever see it being 'expanded'.
Same with the KDS.
There's enough homes & businesses been lost to ground expansions & there's gotta be a limit to that now.
Anfield is primarily a residential area & a football stadium second.
The potential for trams, I believe, is because the previously proposed re-opening of a train station by the cemetery, would be too expensive & cause too much disruption locally.
Great vids mate...👍
Glider seating capacity circa 105
Bus seating capacity circa 47 -57, dependent on model.
Double decker capacity circa 70 -120, dependent on model.
Volvo Gran Arctic 300 can seat 300 passengers... tho i would be suspicious as to how such a large vehicle would be able to operate around the Anfield area.
I would like to think there was some ability to create a new rail link. I think there is an old disused freight rail station about a mile from Anfield, but you probably would have more knowledge about that Kev and if the Council are exploring the possibilities around getting that back in use for passenger trains?
Yeah it’s too far away from the ground to count as a direct rail link
To expand the stadium beyond the new capacity they need to put in place better public transport infrastructure, trams or having a train station within one mile of the ground. This could mean reopening Walton & Anfield railway station, a line that is now used for freight north of Anfield. To expand the Kop you have the problem of the A5089 (which you can't close or reroute, also it has a church the other side of the street). With the KDS you have a problem with the residents living behind that stand. If expansion was to happen then the KDS stand is the most likely, but the amount of bad feeling and the cost of that expansion for the gain in ticket revenue might not be worth it.
There isn’t an old station anywhere near the ground
@@Kevcupo on the Canada dock branch line, near goodison. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walton_%26_Anfield_railway_station
@@Kevcupo The Walton & Anfield railway station which closed in 1948, It was at the crossroads north of Goodison. They done a feasibility study in 2019 about reopening it. Not sure what came of that but...
@@matthewtaylor8394 that wont happen as there application to put a station after sandhills near to everton new ground
and mersy rail said no as it would cost to much so there not going re open a dis used train staiton both make sence
mersey rail are as tight as a flees arse hole when it comes what is good for both clubs
they buy new 8 car trains and the platforms are 20 foot plus to short to use the 8 car trains
it will be 20 years b4 the the stations are not long enough by then they will go and buy
10 car trains and have the same issue platforms to short as they wont have exstened the platforms to be long enough
@@garypring2658 Fair enough, thanks for the reply. I didn't think it was going happen.
.... and that brings us back to what I said about your suggestion as to what Anfield Square should be used for... I said, for a Bus Station!
That would be handy
I don't think it's transport that has to be on a track. Its the ability to disperse all those thousands and thousands of extra fans in a timely manner. So whether that's a fleet of electric buses etc. It's part of an integrated transport plan.
There is a concept of dedicated roads with high kerbs and the 'track less trams' have special wheels which slit in between these.
Trolley buses used to be known as trackless, at least in Nottingham, by my dad.
My stones are in Houllier f, they are top sections with liverbirds stones in place which you've probably seen now xx
mine's in FAGAN A apparently...but living in Berlin my chances of seeing it in person any time soon are somewhat slim...would be great if you could seek it out for me if you get time!
Trackless or tracked trams would hold a lot more people I would imagine Kev
Yeah I get that, just wondering why they use the word tram when it’s associated with a track
In many towns & certain cities I’ve noticed double decker buses are a rarity, being replaced by single deck buses or bendy buses which, are only good for extra capacity & getting tight corners. Problem is they have been replacing double deckers for cost.
Trackless trams seem big in Australia etc. A good video on TH-cam re: Stirling a city in Australia that is in line to get them. Apparently can operate on existing roads with minimal fuss....
Let's face it though, as much as Liverpool say this is end to expansion, they have to expand to keep up with united, city, Newcastle etc who are all watching what we've done and are planning to do....
but do your roads have pot holes the size off man holes
i will answer that for no
Bendy buses or trailer buses are an increased risk to pedestrian safety, been already tried with some routes to Liverpool Airport, they were acquired from London transport for not much money, TFL got shut due to incidents of injury to pedestrians. Some fatalities too. Just LFC in partnership with Liverpool council to try and get around Fan numbers ratio to transport facilities to get fans too and from a stadium or public venue depending on the capacity of the venue. Will cost a lot of money to fix track onto existing road network. Maybe Liverpool council LFC and Central Government could come up with a plan to fund the implementation of a new tramway. Would be great for the city in general. Give Liverpool Football Club the stadium capacity they deserve, given their massive success over many years. On the same note, I think Everton have missed a trick at Bramley Moore, a Mersey Ferries docking right on the new stadiums location would be a great help in getting fans from Wirral to and from the stadium during match days and through the week as a tourist attraction. 👍👍👍👍 👍
Good info
i am a everton fan you should build a new stadium that seats/stands between 80.000 and 90.000 thousand
after all you are the biggest in g.b and one of the biggest in europe
it a 20 minute walk depending how slow or fast you walk from the pier head no need for the ferry to stop at bmd
One final point on future redevelopment of the Anfield stadium, is that something must be done to reinstate the focus of the Shankly Gate, they really do look out of place now and somewhat forlorn.
Yeah they seem to be getting further away from the ground
All they need to do for the Kop is demolish it and rebuild it at a steeper angle to get a couple of thousand more seats in without encroaching on to Walton Breck Road
Yeah they could build on the original footprint
Not going to do that for a couple of thousand seats extra, just not viable ... somehow they need to get the stadium up to 75 to 80 thousand at some point
They can't do that. If they had it going steep from the bottom to the top it would block views in the corner of the main stand.
And not a chance they will be looking at knocking the whole kop down, we would be without the kop for part of a season at least, not going to happen just for an extra 2-3 thousand seats.
They can make the kop wider after the Sir Kenny is done if they make it like the same rake as the bottom tier on main stand and do a more gradual steep slope towards the back.
If its going to be done, it needs to be done properly. Big stands need lots of space and facilities for safety. Its not the early 80s when mish-mash stands were squeezed in with undesirable consequences.
All that work for 2000? Never gonna happen mate.
Mines in the houllier section. The right corner section closest to the entrance to Stanley park.
Ok mate, thank you
First, I thought there was going to be benches near the forever stones. Secondly, I am completely confused between the connection of expanding Anfield and the trackless trams. You have houses and roads behind the two smaller stands. If anyone could enlighten me I’d appreciate it 👍
Assuming we can demolish everything in the way, the stadium needs a direct rail link to expand any further
One development I would love to see is the Club build new boundary walls on both sides of Back Rockfield Road, the ubiquitous "dog s***alley" from the King Harry to the Kop. And for a continuous mural, painted on both sides, depicting the history of the Club.
Good idea that
how do they expand the kop with the road in the way.. and the kenny stand.. with no room at the back.. maybe they just update them both to look more like the other two with out expanding it.. ?
Yeah I’ll leave that headache to the architects
If Manc UTd want to spend up to 2 BILLION with a Wembley of the North, surely LFC and the councils can scrape a few quid together?
Double decker buses would allow approx TWICE the capacity of a bendy bus "trackless tram" over a set distnace of road space. So surely double deckers would be a better option. Of course the best option is train links from the Bootle Line and Kirkdale/Sandhills. Then Anfield could become a true Wembley of the North.
There is obviously demand for it already - jsut look at the high profile Summer events coming to Anfield.
I think proper trams would be the ideal answer
Back in the 1930s buses with electric motors were attached to the existing tram overhead wires but had tyres instead of using tracks - hence 'trackless'. Diesel buses were cheaper and replaced the trackless in the 60s. Now old ideas are being dusted off.
That’s interesting
My stone apparrantly is in McKenna A Fagan F Is where the 2nd Liver Bird Plaque currently Sits. I guess Joe is getting a Bench or a plaque the other Liver Bird plaque is to be replaces with a Houllier plaque or Bench
Yeah that makes sense
Basically just a big bendy bus but for it too work there gonna have to work a route out with bus only lanes especially with match day traffic.
Until all the rooflines matchup the stadium will look untidy. Also, the Kop desperately needs bringing into the 21st. I am certain we will achieve a uniform stadium under this ownership.
The Kop will be done eventually 5-10 years, no chance of the SKD stand being done though would take decades purchasing all the necessary properties
If the club bought the land a bit up from the players entrance and build houses on it ,then give those houses to the people who live in the first row of houses that back up to the KD stand. they are not made homeless, they are staying in the local community and they get a nicer bigger house, Then demolish and expand. You could do a rail link across the cemetery from the rail line that runs next to the police station
That line is a freight line for diesel trains, but the passenger trains are electric
@@Kevcupo You can still pull passengers with a diesel loco, Inter city tracks are electrified, local lines still use diesel. This would be a local line. I was just thinking about the nearest track to make the rail connection easier and cheaper. Building from scratch to the next nearest rail connection would run into £Billions. Plus they could easily build the trackless tram with its onboard batteries, but with tracks,,, for that route.
@@Kevcupo Plus that train line runs through to Garston docks, passing through Allerton where the Liverpool Southparkway rail/bus station would give an inter city link and the airport connection. Adding on two extending links to an already existing line would only be a few £Million.
I got my email too about my forever stone. Mines in fagan D area. Hopefully we'll be able to visit soon. 🤞🇮🇪
We have these in Belfast ...they hold 105 people seating and standing ...
I just don’t know how they pass as a tram
I think that Fenway Sports Group will do the kop before they decide to sell the club They set out to put Liverpool fc back where they belong with a top stadium..
We need to keep expanding, when we seat still we fall behind
Kev there is two new plaques going in Forever Stones MEN THAT BUILT ANFIELD one for Joe Fagan & one for Gerrard Houiller hope this information helps
Road still not open and forever stones only available during match days at present
That makes sense mate
We had bendi buses in london but they was Scraped they had a lot of Accidents with Bike riders. And some just burst into Flames
Accident waiting to happen then
If they expand the kop they might only gain 4000 seats if its anything like the anfield road end, but if they expanded the sir kenny dalglish stand like they did with the main stand they would possibly gain an extra 8000
Know it wouldn’t of been you or mister drone but someone was flying one near the main stand about 630. I thought it was a no fly zone when the crowds was about?
The old bill plane was sending me dizzy also 😂😂😂
Yeah I saw that drone, totally against the law.
Common sense dictates that further expansion is inevitable.
If it is not then the £200m or so spent to redevelop only half of the stadium has been wasted.
Hi Kev, Thanks for the info. My wife checked her emails and found where my stone is (she bought it me for our wedding anniversary last year). It sounds like my stone is in the next section to yours. Mine and my dad's stone is in McKenna A. 🙂 What have you done with your own stone?? Have worked how we can get in put into our patio.....
Could the club not transform the piece of land next to the club shop into a bus/tram terminus?
Heavy on the adverts bro, took 2.5 mins before starting!😂😂😂
Really? I apologise mate, I have no control over the adverts
Got to compete with Man U, Barca and Madrid etc, so an expansion is needed to 70k plus
Comitted to the content today lad. Drone vid and a match day vlog in the same day.
Yeah I’m knackered now 😂
Trackless trams is one thing but we still haven’t the space behind each stand.
Yeah I’ll leave that headache to the architects
That’s not a T Mobile logo in the seats… any ideas what it maybe for???
may see you there tonight kev should be a good game
High score I hope
Trams like Croydon, will do nicely !
You mentioned a rail link but Utd have had one since the 1970s abutted to their Main Stand but not used it…
Oh right ok
@@Kevcupo you know the one mate, wasn’t being funny at all just saying that they’ve had one for years and never been used they’ve continued to ferry us in via Warwick station. Sickening result for us last night and only 300 always allowed doesn’t bode well for us. Anyway thanks again for your work and efforts with this channel and keep it coming la.👍☘️📚
Swansea had those bendy buses, spent a fortune on road redesigns to accommodate, and then bombed them out after about 2 years.
And perhaps the waste ground you talked about a few weeks ago, about hotel etc. Could be a station of some sort?
It’s an idea
Is it just me or are there loads of damaged floor tiles or uneven or not even the right colour..
They had trackless teams in another European city. They failed miserably. And cost the local people a fortune. However people don’t see that. They believe council spending is somehow nothing to do with they.
But I know you have a labour council over there. So I can very much see them wasting millions on ‘trackless trams’
The problem will be if they expand will the new seats go to genuine fans at an affordable price or will it be aimed at the corporate audience at exuberant prices 😢😢😢
LFC should use what3words to locate the stones. I've put this to Everton to locate our stones at Bramley Moore.
So expansion of a stadium depends on a f#cking bus that hides its wheels? What kind of council do you have in Liverpool? Is Hatton still in charge?
Further expansion hinges on a direct rail link
If they expand the sir Kenny Dalglish, stand what will happen to the Shankly gate
I guess it will be moved it currently now looks out of place anyway and needs to be in a more prominent postion to celebrate the great man as appropriate.Bill Shankly is the man who rebuilt the modern LFC and turnd us into a bastion of invincibility
Bendy busses were a massive flop and waste of money in London so they reverted back to normal double decker busses.
Hey mate i just watched your vid on YT xbox and was just wondering can you get your name or something on these stones? How do we do this bro?
Also ive been saying on twitter forever, this isnt the complete development i really believe its just another piece to the puzzle, the kop looks tiny compared to the anny rd end now so im positive we’ll be doing more i think in 10-15 years anfield will be a bowl shape at 70k plus capacity
Also now the blue shite are finally making stanley park a nicer place, our club should work with the council and turn stanley park into like an open museumy type lfc themed area, u know cus Stanley park is finally ours and ours only! 😎🔴
And are them ridiculous bus things what the council spent 9mil on electric buses😅 wish we had a proper metro system like manchester and other cities, not these mad little buses thatl be stinkin of shiel rd after 6months 😂
😂😂 this comment tickled me. With regards to the stones, you could pay to have your name on them. But they all sold out
@@Kevcupo haha 😆 an bro i checked it out every last little stone is sold out even the proper dear ones 😓 such a good idea that was though and glad you got yours and glad other fans managed to get theres 🫡❤️
A trackless tram!!! It’s just a bus 😂 they seriously need better transport links to Anfield.
Exactly
get you timsons on and walk lazy arse
So all it means Kev is they are putting a Joe Fagan plaque, which suggests they’ve changed their mind on benches. Kind of get why - they had fans for one of the turnstiles queueing back past where my stone is.
Ah right ok
Should have just moved whole stadium back 40 yards to make room for all sides ..Liverpool need a 80,000 stadium..biggest supported club in the world shouldn't have a 62,000 stadium
So lucky Anfield is stil there and they didn't relocate .Look whats happened to West Hams old Manner the Boleyn it's an absolute dump.
Is the ground still there?
@@Kevcupo It's flats
Wait how does one get their names in the forever stones?
They’re all sold now
@@Kevcupo Damm I was hoping to be on it :(
Club needs to purchase empty land around stadium so can build fan park restaurants etc and transport hubs then homes to relocate so KD can be expanded and KOP over Road.
The Club should buy up all the Land Around the Stadium
If you knew who drives what, then you could tell us who's driving in 😊!
They’re always changing their cars
0:19 - ‘All the dogs flying around?’ 😉
It’s a figure of speech 😂
What’s going on with the piece of land that the club own ? That’s right of the kop from your view
they are bendy busses, just another name.
Trackless trams 😂 A boomerang that doesn't come back is called a stick.
Exactly my thinking
was the trackless trams announced on april 1st?
You’d think so wouldn’t you
Apparently the kop is phase 4 of expansion
I hope so
Shame there is no phase 3 before phase 4 😂🤣
@@Barts027 there sure is
Anfield is still 20 thousand seats to small due to the demand on waiting list
There’s 40k on the waiting list.
But I keep saying this that I don’t believe the club want season ticket holders. They want the day trippers. Those who are gonna spend 2/3 hundred in the club shop.
They want the people paying for hospitality.
One hospitality ticket costs more than most season tickets so it’s a no brainer.
They'll be able to claim another £50m plus to offset against FFP for this video...
No...there are houses behind the Kenny and there's a road behind the Kop. Simple as that really
There was a road behind the Annie road stand and houses behind the main stand?
@@Kevcupo But the houses were owned by us mate. Even if we start buying all the houses behind the Kenny, it'll take about 30 years to purchase them all. The road behind the Kop is an A road, too, you can't just divert them (and if you could, where are you diverting them to? Just knocking down all those businesses etc? It's a total non starter unfortunately
Hi there next time get drom up can please do some pictures for my husband please so can do some his bedroom wall
Yes Lisa I will
See the grey bricks on the path are broken already
They use them in China, where the tram runs on a digital sensor buried under the road.
I got a stone outside new mainstays and writing is nearly gone already,they all are and they look awful and dirty now
Da fuck am I seeing a glider in the thumbnail?????lol
It makes sense if you watch the video 😂
@Kevcupo ik and did, its just that the glider has a....well a mixed reputation. Some people on it are crazy, don't know if they'd work well in liverpool as they need bus only lanes to be efficient. But if utilised right they would be great and be a big help on the matchday transport problem
Be careful what you wish for, any expansion will not be affordable for most Liverpudlians. Any new seats will go to those that can afford/want "corporate hospitality" (rather than simple normal hospitality) before you wish for this think about the stadium in 20 years time, what atmosphere would you like to feel? Perhaps we will have big screens showing the flags that used to fly on the kop.. just to aid that corporate hospitality ticket price. By the way FSG will be long gone in 20 years time, what will we be left with. Their on sale price will rise if they have the right to expand. Happy billions for them.
A trackless tram? so a Bus.
Buses. It's a bus.
NFFC