The Kop Stand Expansion
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I Was Asked For My Take On A Possible Future Kop Expansion, My Thoughts Are 2 Options, 3rd One Isn't An Option Even Though It Has Been Done Before At Filbert Street, Did Do A Kop Expansion Vid Last Year But TH-cam Took It Off So I Did A Voice - Over One Instead
Its Been Covered By Most You Tube Channels And I Finally Got Round To Covering It - Lets See Your Take On It In The Comments, Can It Happen, Will It Happen Or Is That It For Expansions For Years To Come Atleast
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Aston Villa had a stand built above a road, so did the old Vicente Calderon stadium. The pictures are on google.
They could easily do that with the Kop, essentially turning the road at the back of the Kop into a small tunnel with the stand above it.
They could do a full expansion that way with thousands more seats, taking it higher than the new anfield road stand.
It has to be done though at some point. It’s too small.
One of the most famous stands in the world shouldn’t be the smallest in its own ground.
I was thinking the same, I agree. Also, as stated in the video, one could make The Kop steeper, if you look at the Borussia Dortmund´s "Yellow Wall", felt like you could jump down to the pitch... How about making the church part of expanded Anfield? If the road is a problem, make The Kop´s back wall against the road, in a trapezoid -shape! No double tier, I agree, must be like this! The Kop looks so small now...
You could do mixture of your first two ideas. Keep same basic footprint at ground level, but at both ends construct steel trusses that extend top of stand over road. Then install a large truss that spans between these side trusses and forms back wall of stand. This would then support terraces plus roof. By doing this you would need permission to oversail public highway but would be well above. With carefully planning you should be able to build while keeping road open. If the club purchased some of the unused land around the ground they might be able to do deal with pubs and church to build them new building on this land if they agree to move.
I see a lot of comments here also on about the SKD stand,that is just pie in the sky dreams that wont get rebuilt or expanded.for a start it is at it's max height because of the properties behind it and the right of light,also if you wanted to do a replica of the main stand that would require knocking down atleast 3 rows of houses and no way would any council allow any cpos for that also there would be zero support from the local community.
The only way to add to the Kop in a significant enough way to make it worth while (+10k) would be to increase the incline of the kop, and build a platform up over the road.
japanese architects are very strong in building on those kinds of limit space
Before the Kop being rebuilt we need a train station so we can increase the stadium capacity.
They could easily reopen the Canada Dock Branch as part of the Merseyrail network and either reopen the station opposite Walton Police Station or build a new one where the line crosses Utting Avenue - or even have both stations.
I heard quite some time ago that the Sir Kenny Dalglish Stand has planning permission in place for a 3rd tier, so if that's the case why don't the club just explore that option as well as modernising the whole stand? As regards to the Kop, I think it can certainly be done it's just a matter of exploring all the options on how to go about it. I'd love the Kop to be like the wall that Dortmund have, if able to do that or something similar to it, it would most definitely be the best stand in the world.
Just reroute the bus up St Domingo Vale to Breckfield and pedestrianise Walton Breck Road between Wylva and Burleigh Road. It's very simple. Then you buy whatever buildings you need to do the Kop, but you might not need to do any. Do the church up or move it, have the Albert woven into the brickwork of the new Kop and the Park as part of a big fanzone.
I think we'll see the start of the Kop Stand expansion in the next 5-6 years.
Even if you reopen the railway which is within a mile,buy off houses & relocate them, move the church elsewhere, convince owners to move their shops & build new roads...few questions remain such as- when we are working on the SKD & the roads at the same time, people won't be able to get to the stadium with road construction 🚧 ongoing. One SKD expansion & road,station,parking development will take at least 2 seasons. During that time can we even play at Anfield? We might have to use a substitute ground & there's no other stadium around apart from Goodison. Will they rent goodison? Will our fans go to goodison?
Small ideas which may be feasible,, use the land next to the pub , opposite the kop to store materials during a kop rebuild , afterwards turn it into a small bus terminus which takes fans straight back to town with no stops enroute after a game , leave the traffic lights on green for longer for buses going back to the city centre for 45mins after a game ,this would help to get rid of your excess traffic if you have a 70k+crowd
Like your thinking but isn't a train or tram line required for like a certain capacity if we make it that far but deffo agree with using them sites for materials, but if it's the government that has jurisdiction over the council about the road I can't see it ever happening, they would never agree to close that A Road for the time needed but if there was another ways round in which can't see there being one unfortunately
A freight line could be reopened, we just need to think big to finish the project,
a freight line to oslo yeah right @@anthonyburns8768
I have looked at this quite a bit on Google Earth and other maps. I think it is possible to relocate the church - look at the building, it looks less than 50 years old so not historical. Plenty of waste land very close by. There's only one other building opposite the Kop to purchase (they probably already own quite a lot of the land) and then move the road say 10 metres South, South West. They might have to purchase a couple of the buildings on the corner of Hartnup Street to have a better curve on the road but in my opinion this would be very doable. I reckon building a new church would be less than £5 million, which is not a lot compared to the cost of a new stand. This would allow as big a stand as they wanted with no real constraints. The Albert pub is small enough to incorporate into the design.
They’ve increased the capacity of the stands “ this means more “ 😊
It’s not just about the church (although that’s difficult enough). Assuming the final goal is to make the Kop and KDS same size as the other two modern stands, you’ll need to buy up and relocate close to 50 homes, the Pub, and the Church, all within the Stanley Park area. And you’ll still need to solve the rail access problem on game day. Even if they reopen the spur line a new station is still nearly a mile away from Anfield, so there’s another 100+ shops and residents to consult, mollify, or pay off.
Maybe when Everton evacuate from Goodison Park there’s some space for these relocations and development, but without some additional real estate, I just can’t see how this jigsaw puzzle fits.
I've always said have the Albert as part of the brickwork of the new Kop. Would be amazing.
I know it's probably not possible but looking at a map of the area if they rerouted the road just past Kemp Ave and reconnect it just after the club store then we could build back quite a long way. But of course you'd have to disrupt traffic and demolish homes, the pub and the church. It'd take a lot of planning and loss of property but apart from that i can't see it happening for a long time.
You are correct, the houses on Walton Breck Road are empty anyway. Yes it means demolishing the church and pubs but remember they knocked down 2 streets of housing when they built the Main stand and houses on Anfield road.. this is the only option. That’s why the houses are already empty and the shops are all empty..
We could utilise the space in the corners, make it wider and steeper, adding a tier actually sounds pretty viable it would make sense to build upwards, as we don’t have much room anywhere else
The mop could be steeper and cantilevered over the road. Using the same footprint.
With the Pub near the Kop you could move it to the other side of the road and make a fan square around it. Things can be moved.
Very difficult to pull off which ever way you look at it, the option to reroute the rd was possible when they knocked down the old terrace streets behind the kop but no one had the foresight to do it.
1) Remodel existing stand but utilise the corners, the existing kop building would need to be built back to the current rd giving you the support to build an overhang extension over the road.
2) as above but a completely new stand using the corners.
3) Buy up the buildings behind the kop (or rebuild them on the land nearby, ie church) then reroute the rd to where it now meets Oakfield.
all possible with option 2 probably the easiest to pull off
Also any more than 61k and we need to address transport issues which would also need work on
nothing is impossible, expanding and developing the Kop stand is a very challenging and complicated project, due to the lack of space behind the Kop stand, mines well the A+ type of road existence, plus some residential, commercial and religious properties after the road, any expansion will require a lot of cash to purchase these properties and convince the owners to sell in the first place, we are not even talking about the planning, zoning, legal works and government involvement etc, plus you will have to present the neighborhood development plans to the neighborhood for hearings, like traffic, public transportation, and environmental issues etc. I am not seeing it happening at least in the next 10 years, the best and only way to expand the Kop is by mimicking the Anfield road stand with 2 tiers and forget about this one tier kop stand, because we won't need the headache of all that legal works, planning and zoning, neighborhood hearing, property acquisitions and all that costly complicated process and obstacles, the solution is very simple, just rebuild the Kop stand again on our own property copying the Anfield road stand, adding easily 5000+ extra seats with way less of headache, obstacles, costs, planning, legal matters, neighborhood and government involvement, I love the idea of having the Kop as 1 tier stand, but if it will be that much of a problem, complicated and costly then I am %100 in favor for rebuilding the kop stand, otherwise it won't worth it, we just have to accept and adjust ourselves for 2 tier Kop stand for the sake of the Club benefit for ASAP, because that's the easiest, cheapest, fastest, and less complicated way to do it, if Liverpool decided to go that way, we can have it done and dusted by 2026 if we start the process next year.
If you notice 1 similarities its new anfield stand and the kop length are almost the same, the only difference its the kop it far to flat to flat, if they namage to lift the roof at the same hight of anfield rd stand they can easily get extra 4 to 4.5 or 5 thousand extra, and also the corners both side of centenary stand need to get upgraded and make it wider the same way they building the new corner on anfield rd stand, and the rest god nows the best....
Yeah I did notice there were similar in-depth if they can achieve it by lifting the roof off I would love to see but I'm not convinced it will happen but we can just hope something can happen in future 🤞 but feel we be waiting a long time
Could always go steep too, like St James's park, or the old Bernabeu. One thing for sure though the current facade although sentimental does not scream elite club with best stand in the world. We need it looking the dogs.....and striking fear to all opposing fans....
I've always hoped for Liverpool to expand Anfield to a 70.000 capacity. When the Anfield Road End is complete we'd need another 9 thousand seats to get to 70.000.
I know all the hurdles involved in the potential expansion of the SKD stand but if they could do a similar expansion as the main stand then Anfield would be around the 70.000 mark. The Kop currently holds around 12.400.. I'd be happy to see it expanded to 15.000. There's a lot of hurdles for further expansion but certainly not impossible.
They are leat could do the corners and the two too side bits.
Knock it all down and build a brand new state of the art stand. It must be steeper and also go across the main road. Pay to build a new church, plus a few of the other businesses. The full stadium capacity must be close to 70k.
Don't forget, even if the total rebuild cost is 150 mill, the valuation of the club will most likely exceed 500 mill.
Your option one and two then, Building over the road and steeper, if possible I would be for it of course i would.
Exactly this.
That road is the issue. And it has to be re routed. Should be doable!
Building it steeper does not add seats, it purely makes it steeper. They cannot build over the road because of planning permissions
There’s a row of about 14 tinned/boarded up, empty, houses with land behind next to Homebaked bakery/ ex Mitchell’s Pie shop. They’re doing nothing and could be demolished. It’s currently an eye sore and if they were demolished it’s would create enough space to build a new church and 2 pubs easily and give new life to that part of the high street. That would also then free up land behind Kop end for an expansion if they narrowed the road as shown in Walton Breck Road regeneration plan.
I think it needs a brand new Kop steeper and incorporating the corners were they meet the Main Stand and the SKD stand as much a they can. We want a kop to be the biggest behind the goal stand in the country, and as you say no way a second tier and absolutely no boxes in the middle of it, a genuine fans only stand.
There is room for more width at the sides raise the the roof to match anny rd height and apart from diverting breck rd go back at an angle with the road like the old dell at Southampton, heard next phase is sir Kenny and anyone that’s sat in there will no it needs doing , that will be reprofile for more leg room which will reduce capacity, engineering these days most things are possible so I’m sure there’s options
First things first, need to copy and paste the main stand to the SKD stand which no doubt is viable albeit to the detriment of the houses behind. The KOP will always be the trickiest to develop so I don’t envy anybody who wld take that project on if go ahead is given. Granted however, we could do with an almighty KOP like the steep Dortmund Stand in the Bundasliga which would echo the glory days of the Old “Suck opponents in” KOP of the past.
Los dueños de las casas detrás del Stand SKD son afortunados, Liverpool les tendrá que pagar por sobre el precio del mercado sus viviendas, no entiendo cual es la idea de victimizarlos cuando claramente son afortunados
For anyone thinking increasing the rake or steepness will add seats, it wont, each seat requires the same footprint, all you’d get is a steeper hill to climb with the exact same seats. In addition there are strict uk stadium rules for maximum angle.
Building over WBR is also a non starter as they’d never get planning permission.
The only way it can be done is to reroute WBR, move the pubs church etc which is a monumental task
Think that one over, how can a steeper stand with the same number of rows take up the same footprint as the old stand. It wouldn’t. In order for it to take the same footprint, it would have to be the same rake. Adding a steeper Kop allows you to add more rows to the back before you hit the road.
All irrelevant anyway, it won’t happen.
@@GM-sg9od sorry mate but you are wrong. Each row has to be a fixed width. The rake is irrelevant. Think it through again
@@Mark13091961 agree to disagree 👍
@@GM-sg9od fair enough
If we can’t get Anfield Road stand done on time and they say it’s complicated build, how on earth is The Kop going to have rebuild, when that side is far more complexed, with more objects and infrastructure in the way. FSG, can’t get more out of their pocket for new players, how do you see them spend money Kop or KDS refurbishment/modernisation?
Can't see anymore expansions under these owners if I'm honest, the other two stands I feel would take a lot more investment to make happen, because of the situation and hurdles that are close, maybe Kop one is impossible with the road situation, it's made for a great topic to chat on but what will be will be
I think the Sir Kenny Dalglish would be next to be extended. Once that is done, the best engineers, architects could design something special for The Kop. I first stood on The Kop in 1975 when it was open at the very back of the terracing. Before health and safety it held 25000 fans.I didn't like the design of this Kop as i feel it lost character of the old Kop. It might take 10 years but would love this Kop to be demolished and a better design erected. Thank you for posting and stimulating debate.
Had to mate bring forward the topic of the kop expansion as my other was taken down for some reason, I would love SKD done also and if it happens first great, any of anfield that gets expanded I am for but deep down I feel that could be it for a very long time, might not see anymore expansions at all
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey without a doubt looking at the next 5 to 10 years for it to happen. I would have thought Liverpool are secretly looking at all possibilities now. The best decision the club made was staying at Anfield and not moving to Stanley Park. Anfield has too much history and moving was not an option. We have two sides of Anfield looking special. It's only a matter of time for the rest of Anfield to be upgraded.
@@rodrobsonI was hoping Anfield would always be here, but the way the expansions are going it's very problematic to get all the stands done now for maybe many many years, if plans are drawn up for SKD or Kop stands in future I can't wait to see them
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey keep an eye on Newcastle ground as they have grade 1 listed buildings behind one stand and are hoping to extend their ground. In my eyes Anfield is the greatest ground in the World. I wouldn't swap it for any other ground.
The Kop is probably the most famous stand in football its got a lot of depth to it but ot os shallow so making it steeper has to be the most obvious option..
Mskes its roof lone up eith that of the Annie Road end , it may add a further 5,000 seats to the capacity which is not really enough but a 66,000 sester Anfield and say 18,000 on the Kop would generate a lot more noise and atmosphere The kop would again visually be a spectacular site and in sink wthe the Main Stand and the Annie Road. I think its the only feasble option we have, add height add steepness. We cant go further back, th Council woukd never allow us to relocate the Walton Brek Road and the Church is a permanent fixture where it is
.we cant add a second tier as the Kop is just known for being a single tier of noise colour and sound , but we can go up to the height of the Annie Road and by increase the steepness of the terrace we can add more rowes and seats to the back of the stand and with a reshaped roof ensure the views off the pitch are not compromised.
I dont think you get light issuses by heightening the Kop like you will do if you tried to increase the height and depth of the Sir Kenny.
Our nect part of the Anfield regeneration and expansion project has to be the enlargement of the Kop but i guess we are looking at the late 2020's before thats a possibility. As for the King Kenny stand i think that will have to wait but no idea what you can do there with height and depth restrictions due to the houses on Skerries Road
It certainly is the most famous in my eyes mate. Steeper deffo the ways forward but yes it years aways sadly 👍
If they love Liverpool as we do they will and will get more investment and we are building for the future ❤
I'm not sure they love Liverpool like us fans do mate otherwise they invest more in transfer funds but who am to comment on the ways they do business, they nearly delivered to awesome stands, unfortunate complications with Anfield Road Stand but it be completed, just wish they did a bit more in transfer funds but am I being greedy
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey I don't think you are greedy when it comes to transfers. We all want. I think it's not only FSG fault/mistakes but Klopp mistakes as well. He kept neglecting the midfield area for years.
If they build the Kop Higher or Steeper, most of it will be obscured from view if seated near the rear of the new Anfield Road expansion.
As is already the case, almost 75% of the Kop seats and it's roof are not in 'line of sight' if seated in the top10 rows of seats in the Anfield Road end.
Who cares? They don't play footy in there
Grey beard 1/. make the car park a multi story car park in the park ,2/. build a railway station up the road by the bridge [needed]
3/. need to remove all houses i think liverpool own most of them ,4/. if you look at the back of the kopp stand the houses and shops are empty go to google and do street view ,so all is needed now is move pub and church on to the land which is empty already and make a roundabout by the filling station move the road over away from back of kop stand .5/. build new kenny stand take the seating from 11,000 to 20,000 same stand as main stand puts crowd up from 61,000 to 70,000 ok now build a new kop stand or do we call it a new klopp stand increase by 10,000 and we have 80,000 seater stand .6/. build the kenny like the main stand was so no lossof sales same on klopp stand .
When it was recently boxed off I asked the contractor why don’t they do the other bot to square it off , ! They Said the same ,the foundations would have to be re done and club weren’t planning to spend for the construction, plus it was would hang over the road
An error was made when constructing the main stand and the anfield road end stand...they should have made a provision to move more into the park to create more space for the Kop Stand.
No they shouldn't
Anfield needs better transportation to and from station. CANT SEE whybthe SKD stand cant go as far intk ythe car park, just to sort out tge cramped seating. Would be surprised but happy if thstvstand could be extended significantly, but this is peoples homes wevare talking about. Atvthe very least a better facade could be adopted on the SKD to make it look more modern with a new roof.
The kop
Option 1 make it steeper and start seating closer to the goal.
Option 2 rebuild, but they made a mistake a d the main stand could have been longer nesrer to the shop to utilise all the space.
Option 3 expand over the toad, by rebuilding the pub and church by the scrubland opposite the main stand. There is no reason why the kop could not extend from the current e d of the existing kop with the new rows of seating continuing steeper and allowing for the kop to house a new and better museum and maybe incorporate a sky bar and kop experience. The kop should be at least the same size as Anfield road.
Option 4. Build road under the stand that will allow the kop and gates to extend backwards. Would still need to relocate the pub and church to waste land.
Option 5.
Dont increase the kop, but modernise and bring roof in line with the main stand and givinvvthe illusion of a bigger stand. Also having screens on the outside, highlighting when we score and comibg ibto 21st century by showing on scredn new promotions etc like what yhey have now with posters, but all done digitally.
They should make street down of kop new expansion
It's perfectly plausible to re-route Walton break road. In the same way anfield road has been re-routed. Granted, it's an A-road and rules will be different. Can a new road not be routed and build whilst this one is shut off? It can still be done, surely. Love the videos by the way mate. Please keep them coming.
If possible why not, anything to make the kop bigger with least disruption to the area as possible 👍
I think it's impossible due to not being able to close a bus route for the length of time it would take to build a new stand and road
@@IceClawz. but why can't they build a new road , running straight instead of the angle, whilst keeping the existing one open? I'm sure they could...
I think clever architects could use all that space up to the gates now at the Kop.
I believe the club must build on the current site.a steeper build is obvious but take note,the KOP as it is now is below pitch level and also to far 0:00 back from the pitch.closer,steeper & higher is the way to go.the skd stand could have another tier added similar to ibrox,imagine Anfield then with a near 70k capacity
This is only a personal opinion. Sort the SKD stand similar design to the main stand. The Kop i would change the angle so it is steeper. I would then take the seating as far back as possible. It wouldn't be squared off but it would look amazing with a cantilevered roof. It would also look unique compared to the other stands. It will happen one day especially with the money it will bring in. What design they go for should be consulted with The Reds Fans
The road at the back would need to be closed for any expansion
i think the priority is to find another contractor to finish the existing stand before they even think about another expansion
That is priority 👍
The Kop can be extended to the wall by the road or half of the Kop removed and the build a steeper section but still look like a 1 tier Kop.
If possible to do and expand, deffo but I guess it would also depend how much capacity it would add and costs to pull it off
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey might not be adding capacity, but more making it look better, better facilities inside etc.
Best option in my view. From ground to halfway up, as is. Construct steeper and go higher with overhang. Roof at same level as SKD. Econonics of scale may be a problem thou.
The problem with doing any work to the kop or s.kd, is ,there is no room to put cranes or materials ,it isnt just a case of ,have we got enough space for the build you need to get vehicles in and out etc , we need to obtain more land which means , sentitively buying people out with contracts which keep them happy , thats the way the world works , if we are going to take our place at the top table and be a top 4 global club ,this is the next step
Los propietarios venderán sus propiedades a un precio muy conveniente para ellos
Thinking the kop could be a single tier version of the Anfield Road End….. the same footprint….. over the road and attaching to the megastore
I think, the best option to have a great capacity is 65k seats on anfield. FSG and LFC in general has many problems to make a superb expansion and bring the stadium above 70k people. Firstly, the tramsport, I cannot see FSG making and investment in a railway station close to the stadium. Second, the neighbours, I cannot see them selling their houses, only the row of houses exactly behind SKD stand could sell their properties to FSG and put on there 2k - 2.5 seats more. And then, the only way can the kop would be expand is modifying the inclination of the stand and the results would be 2k - 2.5k seats more and the costs won't be extreme. Another question that I have is:
Should FSG reach the UEFA requirements to have a 105 x 68 pitch with the main objective to host international matches and finals on any competitions (champions league, europe league, conference league)?
If you look at the SKD stand it doesn't hold many fans. It needs doing next then a steep Kop. One thing about Liverpool they don't like turning fans away. Extra fans is more profits for The Reds
More leg room also if possible in SKD if ever done 👍
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey It was never a purpose built stand. A chance to put all that right such as more leg room.
If anyone has been to Aston Villa ground one, of their stand goes over a rd no problems
I think if we think small ,in the next ten years , it will be our biggest mistake , man u , Newcastle etc ,will move on , we need to move heaven and earth to get bigger , we watched man u flog duvets to the world and get miles ahead financially , if we increase to 75k we are growing
Following my comment in the chat Greybeard. Bare with me here... re the terracing. Let's say 1 lego brick equals one tier of terracing, the next tier is built up by 2 bricks, and the 3rd by 3 bricks, now you've got a nice even rake of the terracing. Okay, now have the first tier of terracing, as 1 brick, the second as 3 bricks high, and the 3rd as 5 bricks high. The depth of the tiers is still 3 bricks. Do you follow what I mean? Say for example each level of seated terracing is 75cm's for arguments sake, giving enough space for the seat, and for the foot space. The finite amount of space for The Kop is still the same multiple of 75cm's, however steep the terracing is set. It's a good idea you've had, but I don't think it will work bro. I think, that the only options are,
1. that the back of the stand is altered so that it follows the road layout, so The Kop will look taller at The Main Stand end. (I think that will look horrible).
2. Bridge over Walton Breck Rd. Rebuild the pub, and the church, a little bit further down WBR on the same side, on that land that Liverpool own. Then demolish them and extend backwards.
3. Re-route W.B.R., and extend The Kop backwards, and re-instigate the purchase orders on those houses on Skerries Rd. (F.S.G. have an arrangement with Liverpool City Council, as per planning permission for the Main Stand, to assist in rebuilding/regenerating the Anfield area.)
What F.S.G. should have done, was build a ground elsewhere that's not inhibited by planning permission, road layout, or hemmed in by housing. It was the worst idea of all time to stay at Anfield where it is situated, in view of growing the club.
People keep coming out with these arguments, these 'what if's'. The S.K.D., and The Kop, cannot be extended. When the A.R. stand is complete and open, Anfield will have achieved it's fullest capacity, UNLESS, W.B.R. is rerouted, and the residents on Skerries Rd, and beyond are re-issued purchase orders on their properties by the council, for the potential redevelopment of the Anfield stadium, and the surrounding areas.
I did a vid as I was asked for my opinion and seen as TH-cam took my old one down i did an upto date one. and deep down in my feelings, your probably right👍 maybe where Anfield is The Kop and SKD stand might never get full on expansions like the ground deserves, it's possible still for lil expansions to the kop but SKD stand I'm not sure anything else can be done there, with what you say I agree that it's possible nothing else can be achieved in full expansions but I live an hope as Anfield is here to stay for a very long time 🙏👍
Another good idea that I saw on YT, I think it was called Anfield Development phase 3 & 4, was to build the S.K.D. and The Kop, as 1 stand, so then we would have a whole seated corner section. I was hoping during the development of the A.R. stand that they would build into it the possibility that it could be extended around to incorporate the S.K.D. and The Kop as 1 stand, so it flowed around 3 sides of the pitch. But that didn't happen, F.S.G. aren't as forward thinking as they think that they are. Professional Businessmen my arse. I don't mean my comments to you harshly Sir, however it may sound. I too, would love Anfield to be extended to be a stadium befitting of such large club as Liverpool. What my dream would be, would be a Liverpool F.C. them park, build it on reclaimed industrial wasteland or something. So, the park would be enclosed by a security fence, immediately outside the fence are thousands of car-parking spaces (more income for F.S.G.), and transport links via train/bus/underground, (on F.S.G. buses and trains, yet more income for F.S.G. On the inside of the security fencing would be, Anfield men's stadium, Liverpool Ladies stadium, training complex, Liverpool F.C. memorabilia shops, Liverpool F.C. cafes/coffee shops, Liverpool F.C. pubs/sports bars. A massive screen for those not able to gain tickets, which shows the game live (Like Henman Hill, at Wimbledon), meet the players photo opportunities. etc etc. (The away fans would be immediately escorted from the stadium on to awaiting transport, they don't get to use Liverpool F.C. pubs/cafes/coffee shops.) Liverpool F.C. are a club that deserves to be on the World-Stage, in a world class stadium complex. Just think what it would be like after the game, in pubs etc full of Liverpool fans. That's not going to happen while F.S.G. are the owners. Take care my friend, have a good weekend. Love your clips mate, it's a shame about Buckingham, it really annoys me that they mislead Liverpool F.C. and F.S.G. ('Yes, the build is on target' while all the while they knew that they were broke and struggling to complete the build.)@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey
Club already owns a quarter of the houses on Skerries.
Hi Rob, I understand that Liverpool F.C. own a whole row of housing out past that pie-shop too. I had heard that the purchase orders on the houses on Skerries Road had been allowed to lapse? I've also heard about residents unwillingness to sell their houses to Liverpool F.C. in the time since. I don't live in Liverpool, so I'm just saying what I've heard/read. If the proposed S.K.D. is to mirror the Main Stand though, it's going to take the demolishing of a few more roads than just Skerries Road. Taking into account the land that Liverpool F.C. own, in some of the surrounding areas of the ground, it looks like Anfield expansion has been on their minds for a long time, (Anfield Square off of W.B.R., off to the side of the Liverpool shop. The land on the opposite side of W.B.R., the houses 'you say' on Skerries Road, and the whole terrace of houses out past the Pie Shop). I wish that I was a younger man, so that I may one day see the finished ground.@@robpope1536
@@trigjosh all of this may be true! I hope you're around for all of this to happen too mate!! 👍
Nothing is impossible it can and will be done we must build up but we have to leave it to the architect they are the experts.
Hopefully mate, I really do but feel that's it now for a long time , hope I'm wrong 🙏
I personally would not build over a Road. I think it going steeper would help. If the roof was the same height as the main stand you could add another tier but not call the top tier The Kop.
I can't see this happening in the next 10-15 years. First of all from what I read they need to invest in transport infrastructure; to bring the train station closer to the stadium. I think it's easier to expand SKD Stand rather than The Kop. Anyway once Anfield Road will be finished I don't think we'll see a expansion to either SKD Stand or The Kop in the next 10 years.
If you offer people adequate compensation to move im sure they would consider it , but if we tried to lowball them ,then forget it . Anything can be achieved, but the approach from the clubs side , would have to be done with a lot of tact and sensitivity
Anything certainly can be achieved at a cost but yes no insulting offers, probably have to wait untill club is in even richer hands, I'm not against FSG but feel that will be it now for expansions under the current owners
you can have compulsary purchase orders +20% the value of the home
@tahiribnmohammad5410 with all due respect that just isn't enough for me ,if you double everyone's money ,on provision that the whole street agree and sign to move then you have made it worthwhile
I would suggest blocks 304 to 306 are expanded to each corner flag so basically squaring off the whole seating area and lift the roof line up so you get to see more of rest of stadium. Been in 304 to 306 in champ league row 74 and its like a letter box view.
Any kind of an expansion works for me but would love a bigger expansion but might not happen for years unfortunately 😔
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey The Kop was recently expanded to square off just to leave blocks 304 to 306 separate. Just need to replicate to square off completely. Whilst may only add 500 to 750 seats, by adding a new and improved roof line the Kop would look far better for me. Dont believe it can be expanded beyond that.
They're not going to spend tens of millions millions to give some fans a better view of the rest of the stadium. Any development must include the increasing of capacity by a lot.
@@89Ayten Kop cant be expanded by much as not enough footprint to do so. Wont cost that much to add the 750 seats and give Stadium a better viewing platform with new roof line. Its all about fan experience after all.
Buy the house and build new road
Lets be honest ... it does not matter what ordinary people think or want ... as it is down to Liverpool Football Club to give plans to Liverpool City Council ... and they decide, that is how it works!.
I think think a couple big signings a central midfielder and a left side defender and we'll there.
Yes deffo two areas we need reinforcing
So redirect the road and knock the church and businesses down. I can’t understand why anyone would think that roads can’t be redirected, it happens all the time. As for knocking down the church, that happens again all the time
Get the house the back of the skd develop that and then move the museum to skd then their will be extra room to play with at the back of the kop
Too many obstacles in the way unfortunately. Liverpool should have relocated unfortunately.
does he have a plan for what The Kop will look like
No plans at all for future expansions as yet, this is just like a debate and my opinion on possibilities 👍 we all can dream
They should have done a spurs and rebuilt the whole thing. Just start the build slightly inside of Stanley park. But FSG are cheap and chose the cheap option. Brand new stadium could bring in so much more money than this redevelopment.
Not about fsg being cheap mate. This Is Anfield, this is our home. This is our history, a special history like no other club 👍
Is that church a listed building? Has the pub ever won any awards?
I'm not sure if the church is a listed building, don't even think it's that old. Think the Flat house has but not sure about the Albert pub
No need to close the Kop during main part of rebuild - buuld up and over current stand like they did with new main stand and current new Anfield road end .
New stadium would have been my preferred option
I'm glad we stayed but it sure has complicated future expansions now with SKD and Kop 😞
@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey you look at what Real & Atleti Madrid , Barcelona, Tottenham, Arsenal, Utd & Chelsea plans all magnificent symmetrical stadiums, and Anfield 4 unique stands that don't blend, some seats don't even face the pitch. We missed the boat
@lancemoutray2832 if you took the ground all the way around the same it would look amazing , but if its left lopsided for the next 20 years ,yes it would be a bit underwhelming, I'm hoping the club have a long term strategy with it that we arnt aware of , I wouldn't have thought it's not been thought through . But you never know
They may have to compromise a bit around the other side , I don't think the s k.d would need to be as wide as the main stand ( due to it needing less offices etc , ) and also the kop could be two tier on the same footprint, ( yes I know its blasphemy) but we need options , I think that would be acceptable as long as the rest was built in the same style .
Not really if we win the prem and Europe the fa the the hole lot we'll have the money to do it keep the faith 🙏
Love us to win it all again mate that's for sure, but would our owners really put all that money towards an expansion build full of a lot of hurdles, we might need a lot more money on top of winning everything but certainly keeping faith 🙏
Calm down m8. Let them finish the Anfield Road end first. 😂
Yeah deffo mate 🤣🤣
To be honest. A wood do the king kenny next.
And if they wanted to extend the kop a wood re jig the roof lift it higher maybe stick in a some more seats but not take way back over the road imo.
It’s a smashing stand just needs a wee face lift
Fill in the corners on either side of The Kop???
How much capacity roughly would this add, 500 - 1000 🤔
One day it will be possible. But not in our lifetmes.
Unfortunately your probably right mate
Needs rich and clever owners who know good architects and construction firms.
Why is it so unlikely for you to add a second tier to the kop? Why would it be a problem? Is it a historic reason, like it always been a single tier?
Is a historic reason, this would be very unpopular decision if ever done 👍
I see :) thanks!
the only way would be over the road, wouldn't it
If it's possible to do so I'm up for it as it would be maximising capacity more so than a steeper Kop 👍
knock down the church and the pub also a few shops and move the road back
If you compensated ( kept happy ,) the church and that row of shops , you could flatten them ,and move the road back without closing the other one ,then do the build , I think two tiers to the kop , at the end of the day the bottom tier would always be the original
Predictive bloody text. Loooolll..
Greybeard, I didn't mean to jump down your throat in the last comment, certainly I didn't want it to even appear so. I realise your wanting to create content for your channel, and I'm not going to even begin to dictate to you how I think your channel should be run. I think you're doing a fine job by yourself. There have been several attempts to pose this question of expansion, and it is a question that needs to be revisited regularly, everybody deserves the opportunity to air their views and flesh the topic out.
I've spent lots of time thinking this through. Ultimately, the answer to the question (and people won't like this), is that Die-Hard Liverpool fans are preventing Liverpool F.C. from growing as a Football club, and as a business. I'll try to keep this as short as possible.
- Build a new stadium? Liverpool fans: 'No, Anfield is our home, memories, heritage, blah blah, blah.
- Expand the stadium, to increase revenue? Liverpool fans: Yeah, woo-hoo.....
But we need to re-route Walton Breck Rd, and force Purchase Orders on two or three roads of housing, at least!!!! Liverpool fans: 'it'll wreck the neighbourhood that we all grew up in. Those houses are people's homes, memories, experiences, blah, blah blah.
F.S.G., 'oh hang on, we've got an idea, let's increase revenue to make us a more competitive club and buy better players, by putting up ticket prices. Liverpool fans: 'How dare you, this is a working class community, and this is a family club, we can't afford to pay those prices.' We all know what happened then, fans protested by walking out of the ground during the game, and F.S.G. said, Liverpool fans have spoken, and we've heard you.'
See what I mean Greybeard? So, Die-hard traditionalist Liverpool fans, are the whole problem, why Liverpool will remain, a poor club with big ambitions for the future built on past-memories where the state-of-play was vastly different, and clubs weren't owned by multi-billionaire owners/investors, and we all know F.S.G.'s track record in the transfer market. Other clubs have become wise to the fact that F.S.G. are a buy to sell for profit investment concern, which is why £20m cost $40m for F.S.G.
So, for Liverpool F.C. to be competitive, we need owners with deep-pockets, who love Liverpool F.C., the City of Liverpool, and football itself. The owners need to rebuild the ground elsewhere with room to expand, and the Die-Hard-Traditionalist-Fans, need to sit down, and shut up. If they were die hard Liverpool F.C fans, they would follow them anywhere in the city, and watch them in any ground, not just where it's convenient for them.
Was thinking on wether to cover this topic and debate it as I did last year when first starting out but the vid was taken down with music I used, I got asked by a couple of viewers for my thoughts so revisited it with voice over, no worries mate 👍
No probs Greybeard, I'll have to remember that, and I'll not comment. I've made my points very clearly several times, on different channels. It's not well received but, there is no argument. The only compromise I would make is that Liverpool should build an exact replica of Anfield elsewhere, to appease the 'memories/heritage' butt-hurt traditionalist fans. Oh, and remember, the S.K.D. cannot be expanded backwards, without demolishing any houses, even a little-bit. Liverpool have to consider properties' right-to-light, which is why there's so much distance between The Main Stand and the nearest parallel housing terrace. Hypothetically, if the Main Stand was mirrored for the S.K.D. side, you're probably looking at 2, 3, maybe even 4 parallel roads from Skerries Rd demolished, and perpendicular adjoining roads too. That would cost several, if not hundred's of millions to do, before the first brick is laid (because F.S.G. would have to get on with this Anfield Regeneration Project so that the residents could be rehoused in these proposed luxury apartments, above retail outlets.@@greybeardmedia-merseysidebey
@@trigjosh you got every right to comment mate and put a cross your thoughts on it. Sorry I haven't replied sooner as I'm in Kirkby doing the other job 👍
I think the new stand doesn’t look right with the others it looks out of place
I think the new stand looks fantastic. Just need it completed 👍
It should of been built steaper in 94..missed opportunity..I doubt they will spend 100m on the kop to get another 3000 seats tops in it
Yeah would be expensive for just that amount of added capacity, it is possible to do smaller expansions still but missed opportunity back in 94 for sure 👍
Agree mate.
In 1994 it seemed to come up quickly.
If they had been more ambitious then and had done it properly we wouldn’t be having this conversation today.
it wont happen the council wont move a road plus the people of anfield loathe that club for the mess 40 odd thousand plastic tourists bring every two weeks and the greed of fsg staging concerts blocking peoples roads LFC missed a trick they should have built a 100.000 seater stadium out by the birchwood services at warrington for the M6 and M62 with an airport for the massive out of town fanbase they have
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Answered 👍