I'm pretty sure the reason hitmontop was added was because it is based on a fighting style capoeira which is a dance fight that focuses equally on defense and power
I've never considered Silvally as an evolution honestly, I really just thought it was just a removed restraining helmet, which to me at least makes perfect sense.
it's because of the gimmick. the gimmick is that it works like another (arceus), but only after "being grown into it". which, had it happened earlier, it would have been perfectly acceptable, IMO. but after 4 generation of alternative forms, pretty much any alternative would have fit better
I always see zoroark as somewhat misunderstood, it was motherly in the movie, and so i view it like that, and so giving it a first evo gives it something to mother. It could have even be made FOR the movie, and it also gave N in the game a pokemon to grow with throughout the plot. On a personal side, I prefer zorua over zoroark oops
Lockstin & Gnoggin made a video about Dark Types (and all the types) attempting to explain why each Pokémon is the type that it is. They're very nice videos
Eagle In A Beanie zorua is my favorite Pokémon and yes i agree zoroark isn't an evil Pokémon it's just a trickster by nature. But so are many others and they're not considered evil so why should it be.
Huh, I never really considered any Pokemon being better off alone. Pokemon becoming stronger versions of themselves is the most fun part of the game for me. Like snorlax is much more interesting to me with munchlax. I'd rather use the riolu egg you get in gen 4 than the free lucario in gen 6. That's probably why my favourite Pokemon is eevee.
I'd rather have a naff earlier evolution than none at all. Pokémon that don't evolve just feel incomplete to me. It's kinda the whole gimmick. Works better as just legendaries and mythicals being single stage to keep the special.
Most snapping turtles aren’t capable of fully retracting their heads into their shells , so maybe that’s why chewtle’s head isn’t meant to go inside it’s shell
There's also a species of turtle literally called the "Big-Headed Turtle" - a name that suits Chewtle's design. Surprise surprise, it also can't pull its head back into its shell.
Hitmontop is not just based on a top or "standing on your head" it's based off a fighting style like it's brothers. Hitmonchan is boxing Hitmonlee is kickboxing and Hitmontop is capoeira (A brazilian fighting style) So it fits it's evolutionary line perfectly.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 Don't disagree that I'd prefer Hitmontop be his own thing. But Capoeira is NOT an obscure fighting style. It's one of the most famous martial arts in the world. And is almost always represented in all sorts of videogames. Most Famously Eddie Gordo in the TEKKEN series. One of the most popular characters in the franchise.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 If that was the case, then there shouldn't be a hitmonchan, hitmonlee or tyrogue either, because they are "obscure figting styles". Boxing is defensive and uses your hands. Kickboxing is offensive and uses your legs. Capoeira is balanced, having both good attack and defense, uses both hands and feet but is hard to train. Hitmontop is a *perfect* fit for the line.
Lickilicky origin story. One of the people who got Jirachi the gen before thought it would be funny to wish Lickitung was ruined. The wish was granted.
Zoroark: I don't *necessarily* agree here. I feel that, given the unique nature of its Illusion abilities, it could have easily been molded into a standalone mythical, but I'm not too bothered that it wasn't nor that Zorua exists. It really didn't make sense how it couldn't be found outside of events/gifts in its debut generation, though. I had the same issue with Riolu and Lucario in Gen 4, really. Lickilicky: I wholeheartedly agree that this thing shouldn't have been made. If anything, it should have been made smaller and made Lickitung's BABY stage, rather than its evolved form. Drednaw: I'm fine with it having a pre-evolution, but I'm not fine with that form being Chewtle. I'm a proponent of bending physics, not snapping them in half, so the fact that its head is bigger than its body and is attached to a thin neck irks me to no end. They could have done better both design and lore-wise for this one. Silvally: I understand where people come from when they talk about this one, but I kind of feel that this is a necessary weasel to make its "form change" permanent. Form Changes tend to be temporary or changeable by some method, but that wouldn't make sense with the story they were crafting for Type: Null and the bond it needs to attain its true strength. Once it breaks the mask, even though it doesn't really "evolve", there's no way the mask would be going back on, and the only way to reflect a permanent change in the game's mechanics is via evolution. Hitmontop: I more-or-less agree. If they really wanted a third one, they could have done better. I'm not a fan of perfectly spherical bodies. Manaphy: I agree. Phione is redundant and a downgrade.
Hitmontop was added specifically because the "Higher attack/defense" evolution requirements meant that there was a third possibility to account for. They didn't want to make one Hitmon more common than the other, so they couldn't just pick which would get the equal stats, and they also didn't want it to be random and defeat the purpose.
If it was a single stage then it would just be Skarmory 2.0. They gave it a 3 stage to try and differentiate from Skarm (didn't work though their both steel flying with amazing defense)
@@babel_UV They aren't different at all battle wise. Their main job is to sit there and wall things. I always value battle wise and strategies the Pokémon can do instead of design so from my perspective these mons are basically the same.
I thought it might be single, or at least one stage previous, but I was shocked that it was the regional bird! It didn't seem that accessible at all...
Tyrogue: the son Hitmonchan: the single mother of Tyrogue Hitmonlee: the father of Tyrogue who got a divorce Hitmontop: the mothers boyfriend pretending to be Tyrogue's dad
I like the strange Manaphy thing, because Manaphy represents the primordial broth where life begun, and Phione is like the "first" micro-acquatic life, but the awesome thing is that how to obtain Manaphy, so how to obtain real life like in ancient nature, is a huge mystery like it is in our world. It's not like normal breeding, is something mythical and great! My opinion, of course
Wait a second- I have legitimately spent the entire time I've loved Pokemon thinking that Lickylicky evolved into lickitung. I never used either of them and they immediately went into my box so I never paid any attention. That is like groundbreaking information.
I love using Zorua on Pokémon showdown Little Cup, and he's one of the cutest Pokémon I've ever seen, but I mean I agree he's a bit unnecessary. Lickitung for me was always pretty forgettable as a Gen 1 Pokémon, so that's why I like that he has an evo (which I like a bit more than the base form anyway)
@@x-retsu3629 there were a bunch of X-gen evos in gen 4, and people are bound to forget about some of them. Lickitung though was around for almost 25 years, and it had a major role in the anime too, and I still can't remember him like ever... Like sometimes the reason I remember Lickitung is that he's Lickilicky's pre evo, and I dom't really think about Lickilicky that often
Some Gen 4 evolutions were so amazing, but others were just lazy. If you look at Tangela you can see each vine drawn, then look at Tangrowth and its like the got tired of drawing vines and stopped halfway. Lickilicki gives me the same feel, Lickitung's body looks like it has an actual structure as a whole while its evo is more like a bunch of spherical parts clumped together. I mean its kinda goofy and cute-ish, so i get that some poeple like it, but i feel it was rushed and a step back from the original design.
Oh yeah, I just remembered that Phione existed XD And I completely agree with you on that part, it's really unecessary. But leave my boi Zorua outta this. I get what you say and the lack of it in unova's wild area is honestly weird. For me, Zorua exist because of N's story (the two really resembles each other and yeah). Plus it's adorable. (I guess I'm a little bit biased...)
The only reason i would add a pre-evolution would be too make some pokemon more available like a preevo for Tauros, Duralodon, or other late to mid region pokemon
Tauros also needs one just to finally formally link it to its obvious female counterpart in Miltank. I still don't get why you can't breed the two of them to get either a Tauros or Miltank like with Volbeat and Illumise. (While we're at it, GameFreak, it's about time you adjusted the even worse breeding rules concerning the Nidoran family.)
I agree. Even if they don't want them to be more available, the world would feel more complete if you got something more childlike out of the egg of any big powerful lategame Mon. Lapras shouldn't be accessible from earlier than normal through a prevo, but breeding it shouldn't really give you the full large creature at level 1.
@Lee McDonald To be fair, there have been minor stat adjustments and significant movepool adjustments over the generations. However, they can't just drastically change something's stats from what it was before (aside from the Special Defense split in Gen 2 and retconned type additions in Gen 2 and Gen 6), nor can they give them moves it would make no sense for them to have from a design standpoint. The Mega Evolutions, Regional Forms, and Gigantamax Forms (as well as various cross-gen evolutions) are decent compromises on re-balancing certain older "weaklings." Furthermore, Game Freak has done a much better job since Gen 6 in designing new Pokémon around their stat spreads and giving most of them some kind of competitive niche.
Well Type: 0 doesn't actually evolve. It's shown like this in game, but it doesn't change at all. It loses its restriction-helmet. Therefore it's not a different species. Silvally is just Gladios nickname for it. That's why, through friendship it is able to control its powers and is allowed to take off his helmet
That’s the entire point of type null/sylvally. Type: Null is just a code name given to sylvally by the aether foundation. You don’t know it’s true form until you get the mask off of sylvally.
I definitely expected Drednaw to be a single stage as well. It was kind of the opposite of Duraludon for me, which I expected to have at least one pre-evolution.
Duraludon with another stage would have been great! I could've made it a lot more accessible, since you could actually train it up instead of a 1% chance encounter at the tail end of the game...
ok, i thought there was some serious thought in this, but i stoped watching as soon as you point out "dark is evil, somehow a pre-evoution that has no actual negatives is a bad thing" as if we didnt see what happens when we get something like it. ... poor zeraora has that problem. there are only negatives to it if zorua did not exist. accessibility, the fact it would probably be doomed to be a mythical and simply put, the fact a pokemon would basically be born as a very adult looking creature is a long running problem with pokemon that lack evolutions like absol, tropius and so on. i dunno what other pokemon you bring up, but i do not feel like it has much thought put into it going just by this first.
The Dark type *is* basically designed to be evil, even if most individual members aren't really of that alignment. That's why most Dark type moves are means of fighting dirty (still waiting for a Groin Kick move that does more damage to male Pokémon). Heck, it's even the actual name for the type in the Japanese versions.
Well i think he made a very good point talking about how you either get a Zoroark right away, or a zorua only five level away from evolving. Basically you skip that stage, so why make it in the first place. That's the only part I agree with about that pokemon. The other entries i find more easy to agree with, personaly.
To try and put a picture in your mind, Lickilicky seems to look like some old "gourmet" guy, with the yellow bars being gold chains connecting a vest together, with the white "bow" mark being a cravat thing.
Zoroark is supposed to be Lucario’s counterpart. So yes I agree it should be a friendship evolution. So my excuse for Zoroark having a pre-evolution is that it is Lucario’s counterpart. Proof they are counterparts: They are introduced in generations right next to each other. And they both got their own movies.
And both previewed in the generation before their release. Lucario in PMD Red/Blue and Zoroark in it's movie. Also I want to point out how he complains about needing a Gen 4 event mon for Zorua, but doesn't have the same complaint with Zoroark needing an event legendary as well. And Zorua is the only way to get Zoroark in B2W2.
I really love Zorua so I'm glad it exists, tbh? It's great narratively for specific characters, which is a lot of how I engage with Pokemon. I agree with Lickilicky being awful though. Chewtle is based off a snapping turtle, which do start as tiny babies and have heads too big to retract into their shells, so I think it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Silvally's face is SO much cooler than Type:Null so I'm glad they took the helmet off for it, but I do agree it could have not had to count as an evolution. Aaand yeah Phione is awful.
The one thing is that Type Nulls helmet is directly referred to as a power limiter put there because it’s creators were scared. Silvally evolving through friendship is supposed to represent your trust in it as a trainer to finally remove its limiter.
3:55 You fool. you absolute buffon. Lickylicky is the mightiest pokemon of them all. Whilst the masses clamor for foul things like "charizard" and (ugh!) "umbreon", those who are willing to see the light of Lickylicky are blessed with boundless fortune.
I know it's not real but as a bio major I like the inclusion of baby forms it makes sense to me including zorua and chewtle. I actually liked chewtle and loved that it turned into such a beastly looking pokemon. Honestly I wouldn't mind if it evolved again and just got scarier honestly dreadnaw could mega evolve and be a dragon and water type and i'd believe it.
i love both hitmontop and LickyLicky. LickyLicky was one of the best teammates in my pokemon black and white 1 playthrough, he waas powerful and healthy boy, and he looks cute, like a chunky prince who loves to eat. Hitmontop was always a good evolution, it looks nice and it's stats are very nice. He doesn't look out of place in tyrogue evolution family.
Hitmontop was my reason to start using other pokemon types (I'm really into monotype battles and love Steel and Dark types). Technician and priority make it great in my opinion.
@@emperorcubone Well, a Pokemon evolving is one of the most exciting moments of a playthrough. No one wants to be stuck with something unchanging the whole playthrough. That's probably why people like to add stages. Pokemon who Don't evolve are kinda boring! (Not all of them, but most)
As much as I agree with Drednaw I still love Chewtle so much that I'm happy it is in the game D: Also for me Chimecho is enough to be single stage. I'll never understand why they gave him baby form.
In universe, phione is what happens when manaphy breeds outside the cold oceans of the Pokemon Ranger region (idk what it's called, sorry) so it makes sense to me at least, that phione doesn't evolve into Manaphy. It's kind of a breeding mistake, that's not supposed to be that way, so of course it doesn't evolve
No, getting rid of most of the Kanto single stages was a good thing. Arguably, it should be taken even further by connecting Tauros and Miltank with a cow calf pre-evolution and adding a pre-evolution to Pinsir, not to mention other generation single stages that could really use a family member like Dunsparce and Luvdisc. As long as they don't touch the Legends (aside from the rare exceptions like Phione/Manaphy that existed from the beginning); the single stage gimmicks like Smeargle, Mimikyu (as you mentioned), Ditto, Shuckle, Castform, etc.; and ones like Kangaskhan where it otherwise wouldn't make sense; single stage families just usually aren't very good on their own. I'll give you that they could've done much better than Lickilicky for a Lickitung evolution, though.
Even if it is, I'm sure I'm not the only one that has resented it over the years. If they could have avoided that altogether by making Hitmontop its own Pokemon I think everyone would have been happier...
I always understood that Lickilicky’s belly pattern is an upside down wifi symbol. Seeing as it was introduced in gen 4 when wireless trades and battles through WiFi became a thing.
1.) It makes sense that Chewtle looks like it can't fit into its shell, as it's line is based on the Alligator Snapping turtle, Which are unable to retreat into their shells 2.) Don't diss my boy Silvally...
Oh yeah, that thing about gen 1 Pokémon. Round 45% of the original 151 Pokémon have new forms later on, be it pre evolutions, evolutions, Gigantamax, megas, regional forms
Roseli got Budew and Roserade, Dusknoir and Probopass final evolutions, Gallade and Froslass branched evolutions. 20 Mega-Evolutions and 2 Primals, so if you have ever played VGC10, 16 or 19, you were either soaking wet after every battle or died due to dehydration
Emperor Cubone gen 3 also had many things added to it retroactively. The three starter megas, galar zigzagoon/linoone, gallade as a branching evo, probopass, mega sabeleye, mega mawile, mega medicham, mega manectric, buddew/roserade, mega sharpedo, mega camerupt, mega altaria, dusknoir, mega absol, froslass, mega salamence, mega metagross, regigigas (directly connected to the three gen 3 regis), mega latias, mega latios, primal kiogre, primal groudon, mega rayquaza.
I'm a fan of the Type:Null line. The story behind it is sweet. It brought back Mew two vibes for all you 90s babes that also remember. Odd legendary though I will admit
All of them are good points! Phone could have been the original carbink and diance .. Love your original ideas for videos as always, keep up the great work!
13:19 Phione is actually LARGER than Manaphy, which I find hilarious. Like, your stupid child that hatched out of your egg is larger than you right as it hatched.
True, but I just thought this. Would you want to put his head restraint back on? It would have to be a permanent form change, unlike other forms which can change back evolution probably the best option
@@byksEBM item that cannot be removed, only broken with use (and have the friendship counter on that) and that allows to change into "base" form. and with how little difference is there betweem the two (speed and the fact null learn less moves naturally), it would have make perfect sense
@@byksEBM true, but that's part of the thing: the helmet. what we got is silvally learns bite attacks, null doesn't, which translate in "the helmet prevent him from biting" what I'm proposing is "he can't hold things because of the helmet" after all, we aren't talking battletactics and balcing, we're on lore.
I’ve heard the reason why Manaphy could only produce Phione in the main games is because Manaphy eggs could only be produced in the warm seas of the Ranger regions
What's next? A baby Joker? Omg, never looked at things this way, but this made me laugh xD Great video, fresh new perspective. Btw, did you know that a lot of Pokemon are made final stage first? They build down from final to baby, at least in the old games
Honestly, I like how Manaphy works. The original Manaphy is sort of like.. A progenitor? Phione will never be as good as Manaphy, and that’s what makes it special! It’s not quite that original, super rare and nearly unobtainable mythical, which truly makes it more mythical in the end.
Another unique concept for a video from you - really enjoyed it! I would add Bellossom to this, it makes no sense Gloom actually gets smaller when evolving and loses a type!
I'm pretty sure the reason hitmontop was added was because it is based on a fighting style capoeira which is a dance fight that focuses equally on defense and power
Its designed to symbolize balance (hence the name hitmonTOP). It might be based on that fighting style.
@@KayOScode It is definitely based on Capoeira, its idle animation on the 3d games is literally the idle "dance" of Capoeira
This guy gets it.
@@TheHinner yeah, I looked it up and I wasnt entirely wrong. Capoeira is about balance.
The German name is literally Kapoera. Also makes more sense with Kicklee and Nockchan.
I still can't believe they gave Purugly has a higher base speed than LATIOS AND LATIAS
Came from MandJTV, huh?
The cat's too fat to be that fast lol
I want it too exist to bad ;-; mostly cause faster than an airplane tho
It’s faster than a jet!
TsukiKageTora thats why I love it
I used to scam people in Y, got myself Manaphy and started breeding Phiones and named them Manaphy, people didn't notice...
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I... I kind of want to try this...
Duuuude
You would be a dark type.
I've never considered Silvally as an evolution honestly, I really just thought it was just a removed restraining helmet, which to me at least makes perfect sense.
Yeah but that's not worth making it a whole new pokemon
it's because of the gimmick. the gimmick is that it works like another (arceus), but only after "being grown into it".
which, had it happened earlier, it would have been perfectly acceptable, IMO. but after 4 generation of alternative forms, pretty much any alternative would have fit better
Silvally is garbage because of its stats. And Type Null would be garbage too without Eviolite. It's necessary.
I agree. Silvally was a waste of an evolution.
@@InfernoPower true
I always see zoroark as somewhat misunderstood, it was motherly in the movie, and so i view it like that, and so giving it a first evo gives it something to mother. It could have even be made FOR the movie, and it also gave N in the game a pokemon to grow with throughout the plot.
On a personal side, I prefer zorua over zoroark oops
"it's cool and meant to be evil as pure art"
so umbreon and absol are evil.
I like zorua too and if the game reality were real I'd definitely want a cute zorua over the evolution
Lockstin & Gnoggin made a video about Dark Types (and all the types) attempting to explain why each Pokémon is the type that it is. They're very nice videos
@@matthewroberts198 already seen it lol, but yes i recommend it to anyone who hasnt
Eagle In A Beanie zorua is my favorite Pokémon and yes i agree zoroark isn't an evil Pokémon it's just a trickster by nature. But so are many others and they're not considered evil so why should it be.
Huh, I never really considered any Pokemon being better off alone. Pokemon becoming stronger versions of themselves is the most fun part of the game for me. Like snorlax is much more interesting to me with munchlax. I'd rather use the riolu egg you get in gen 4 than the free lucario in gen 6. That's probably why my favourite Pokemon is eevee.
tommy flores some Pokémon are better. But this guy here the one doing the video is stupid:
me too, but this is just an opinion of a person (youtuber) so its useless
I'd rather have a naff earlier evolution than none at all. Pokémon that don't evolve just feel incomplete to me. It's kinda the whole gimmick. Works better as just legendaries and mythicals being single stage to keep the special.
@@JOCoStudio1 like tauros. Strong Pokemon, but it's long overdue for a preevolution.
@@blakdeth Nah nah, tauros doesn't need one, that would be weird.
Most snapping turtles aren’t capable of fully retracting their heads into their shells , so maybe that’s why chewtle’s head isn’t meant to go inside it’s shell
This
It also can't learn Withdraw. It still doesn't excuse it for how ugly it is, though.
There's also a species of turtle literally called the "Big-Headed Turtle" - a name that suits Chewtle's design. Surprise surprise, it also can't pull its head back into its shell.
Compucles that’s your opinion, a wrong opinion of course, but your opinion. I like the little one
@@abeham1078 If it's an opinion, then it can't be wrong. By definition, only facts can be proven true or false.
Legit expected Octillery to be on the list. As well as Glameow... Considering the THUMBNAIL. lol
I'll be honest sometimes I completely forget octillery isn't a single stage
@@Nugget-No-More I'll be honest, sometime's I completely forget Octillary all together.
@@robocapy6045 but Octillery has an awesome movepool. How could you forget! Lol
Happy Glameow isn't on the list.
Octillery line is cool
Not all turtles are capable of drawing their head inside their shell. These are snapping turtles, which can’t. Hitmontop relies on capoeira fighting.
only box turtles can fully retreat into the shell.
While that is true,
Dreadnaugh (or however you spell it) is way better designed than it's prevo.
Hitmontop is not just based on a top or "standing on your head" it's based off a fighting style like it's brothers.
Hitmonchan is boxing
Hitmonlee is kickboxing
and Hitmontop is capoeira (A brazilian fighting style)
So it fits it's evolutionary line perfectly.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 Don't disagree that I'd prefer Hitmontop be his own thing. But Capoeira is NOT an obscure fighting style. It's one of the most famous martial arts in the world. And is almost always represented in all sorts of videogames. Most Famously Eddie Gordo in the TEKKEN series. One of the most popular characters in the franchise.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 If that was the case, then there shouldn't be a hitmonchan, hitmonlee or tyrogue either, because they are "obscure figting styles".
Boxing is defensive and uses your hands. Kickboxing is offensive and uses your legs. Capoeira is balanced, having both good attack and defense, uses both hands and feet but is hard to train.
Hitmontop is a *perfect* fit for the line.
The only reason Hitmontop doesn't quite fit is there's no famous human fighter whose surname is "Top". Though I'd love to be wrong about that.
@@neckpunch73 yeah and his circular and bright blue color doesn't fit much.
I've watched 5 videos by this dude and I think he just knows nothing about Pokemon
Lickilicky origin story. One of the people who got Jirachi the gen before thought it would be funny to wish Lickitung was ruined. The wish was granted.
Am I the only one who kinda likes Lickilicky?!?
Bro, I read the manga and I love Lickylickie
Which one of you made the wish?
@@cloudinembong8213 I do like it after diamond from the manga caught it
LMFAO there's a few unnecessary evolutions pokemon in gen 4...
Zoroark: I don't *necessarily* agree here. I feel that, given the unique nature of its Illusion abilities, it could have easily been molded into a standalone mythical, but I'm not too bothered that it wasn't nor that Zorua exists. It really didn't make sense how it couldn't be found outside of events/gifts in its debut generation, though. I had the same issue with Riolu and Lucario in Gen 4, really.
Lickilicky: I wholeheartedly agree that this thing shouldn't have been made. If anything, it should have been made smaller and made Lickitung's BABY stage, rather than its evolved form.
Drednaw: I'm fine with it having a pre-evolution, but I'm not fine with that form being Chewtle. I'm a proponent of bending physics, not snapping them in half, so the fact that its head is bigger than its body and is attached to a thin neck irks me to no end. They could have done better both design and lore-wise for this one.
Silvally: I understand where people come from when they talk about this one, but I kind of feel that this is a necessary weasel to make its "form change" permanent. Form Changes tend to be temporary or changeable by some method, but that wouldn't make sense with the story they were crafting for Type: Null and the bond it needs to attain its true strength. Once it breaks the mask, even though it doesn't really "evolve", there's no way the mask would be going back on, and the only way to reflect a permanent change in the game's mechanics is via evolution.
Hitmontop: I more-or-less agree. If they really wanted a third one, they could have done better. I'm not a fan of perfectly spherical bodies.
Manaphy: I agree. Phione is redundant and a downgrade.
yeah, phione is a waste of bytes that really should evolve into a manaphy via probably friendship
Hitmontop was added specifically because the "Higher attack/defense" evolution requirements meant that there was a third possibility to account for. They didn't want to make one Hitmon more common than the other, so they couldn't just pick which would get the equal stats, and they also didn't want it to be random and defeat the purpose.
At first, I thought that Corviknight was going to be a single stage Pokémon. But to my surprise, *it had a three-stage evolution*
If it was a single stage then it would just be Skarmory 2.0. They gave it a 3 stage to try and differentiate from Skarm (didn't work though their both steel flying with amazing defense)
@@3.2187_Kilometres but theyre still different enough
@@babel_UV They aren't different at all battle wise. Their main job is to sit there and wall things. I always value battle wise and strategies the Pokémon can do instead of design so from my perspective these mons are basically the same.
@@3.2187_Kilometres Corviknight is much more competitively viable, so no. You're wrong.
I thought it might be single, or at least one stage previous, but I was shocked that it was the regional bird! It didn't seem that accessible at all...
I think glameow just needs an evolution that is better than Purugly. I totally agree on the rest though
Am i the only one who loves purugly? Lol
Lady Harley I agree
Purugly is freaking awesome. But to be fair, I hated it as a kid when Diamond and Pearl first came out. So I get it lol.
Lady Harley no, definitely not! I also love Stunky and Skuntank thanks to using one in my Shield play through:’]
*pureugly*
“What’s next a baby joker?” Mime Jr: *Ahem* ...
Funnily enough I never had bad cell phone service near Lickilicky, maybe the pattern is why
I mean typenull/sivally could've definitely pulled off the whole keldeo thing and been good
Tyrogue: the son
Hitmonchan: the single mother of Tyrogue
Hitmonlee: the father of Tyrogue who got a divorce
Hitmontop: the mothers boyfriend pretending to be Tyrogue's dad
Hitmontop is my favourite of the hitmons
Tyrouge:"YOU'RE NOT MY DAD"
At first I read it as "Tyrone" lol.
when i was a kid before pokemon had genders in game; i always thought that hitmonchan was a girl & hitmonlee was the male form
Hitmonchan can’t even be female
I like the strange Manaphy thing, because Manaphy represents the primordial broth where life begun, and Phione is like the "first" micro-acquatic life, but the awesome thing is that how to obtain Manaphy, so how to obtain real life like in ancient nature, is a huge mystery like it is in our world. It's not like normal breeding, is something mythical and great! My opinion, of course
Same
If Lickylicky was small it could've passed as a pre-evo.
You know what? That actually would be better...
Wait a second- I have legitimately spent the entire time I've loved Pokemon thinking that Lickylicky evolved into lickitung. I never used either of them and they immediately went into my box so I never paid any attention. That is like groundbreaking information.
Lickitung has a base stat of 385. It does not need a pre evo.
I love using Zorua on Pokémon showdown Little Cup, and he's one of the cutest Pokémon I've ever seen, but I mean I agree he's a bit unnecessary.
Lickitung for me was always pretty forgettable as a Gen 1 Pokémon, so that's why I like that he has an evo (which I like a bit more than the base form anyway)
But lickilicky is also forgetable haha
@@x-retsu3629 there were a bunch of X-gen evos in gen 4, and people are bound to forget about some of them. Lickitung though was around for almost 25 years, and it had a major role in the anime too, and I still can't remember him like ever...
Like sometimes the reason I remember Lickitung is that he's Lickilicky's pre evo, and I dom't really think about Lickilicky that often
Some Gen 4 evolutions were so amazing, but others were just lazy. If you look at Tangela you can see each vine drawn, then look at Tangrowth and its like the got tired of drawing vines and stopped halfway. Lickilicki gives me the same feel, Lickitung's body looks like it has an actual structure as a whole while its evo is more like a bunch of spherical parts clumped together. I mean its kinda goofy and cute-ish, so i get that some poeple like it, but i feel it was rushed and a step back from the original design.
Oh yeah, I just remembered that Phione existed XD
And I completely agree with you on that part, it's really unecessary.
But leave my boi Zorua outta this. I get what you say and the lack of it in unova's wild area is honestly weird. For me, Zorua exist because of N's story (the two really resembles each other and yeah). Plus it's adorable. (I guess I'm a little bit biased...)
The only reason i would add a pre-evolution would be too make some pokemon more available like a preevo for Tauros, Duralodon, or other late to mid region pokemon
Tauros also needs one just to finally formally link it to its obvious female counterpart in Miltank. I still don't get why you can't breed the two of them to get either a Tauros or Miltank like with Volbeat and Illumise. (While we're at it, GameFreak, it's about time you adjusted the even worse breeding rules concerning the Nidoran family.)
I agree. Even if they don't want them to be more available, the world would feel more complete if you got something more childlike out of the egg of any big powerful lategame Mon. Lapras shouldn't be accessible from earlier than normal through a prevo, but breeding it shouldn't really give you the full large creature at level 1.
Also tons of toys to sell
@Lee McDonald To be fair, there have been minor stat adjustments and significant movepool adjustments over the generations. However, they can't just drastically change something's stats from what it was before (aside from the Special Defense split in Gen 2 and retconned type additions in Gen 2 and Gen 6), nor can they give them moves it would make no sense for them to have from a design standpoint. The Mega Evolutions, Regional Forms, and Gigantamax Forms (as well as various cross-gen evolutions) are decent compromises on re-balancing certain older "weaklings."
Furthermore, Game Freak has done a much better job since Gen 6 in designing new Pokémon around their stat spreads and giving most of them some kind of competitive niche.
Well Type: 0 doesn't actually evolve.
It's shown like this in game, but it doesn't change at all. It loses its restriction-helmet. Therefore it's not a different species. Silvally is just Gladios nickname for it. That's why, through friendship it is able to control its powers and is allowed to take off his helmet
:o
That’s the entire point of type null/sylvally. Type: Null is just a code name given to sylvally by the aether foundation. You don’t know it’s true form until you get the mask off of sylvally.
The only way I'd accept Type: Null being a single stage was if it's name was it's gimmick, not having a type at all.
@@starmangalaxy2001 That'd... actually be interesting
If they remove silvally, how else am I going to use the power that is eviolite type null?
There's probably a Memory for that somewhere around here...
hah
I absolutely agree, Manaphy should be a standalone Pokemon, Phione was very unnecessary
I honestly forget Phione is a pokemon. It's that unnecessary and irrelevant
I think they were expermenting with breeding legendaries
“Whats next a baby joker?” *joker, who turned robin into a smaller version of himself:* Am I a joke to you?
Valid point, but also poor tim
Well... yes.
people: make a "joke" in this format
comedy: aM i A jOkE tO yOu
You forgetting Wooloo on this list. He’s too precious to have an evolution.
@@KayOScode Nah that's whatever greedent's pre evolution is called
@@InfernoPower Skwovet
But its Wololo evolved form is really cool, can turn enemy pokémon friendly.
Hard disagree about type null. I think it's perfect as is.
Agreed never had one but have fought one and thought the evolution was cool
“What’s next? A baby joker?” I have terrible news and it’s called joker jr.
12:38 Hitmontop was more competitively viable tho. Also that spinning is capoeira, a legit fighting style that mixes attack and defense
6:46 Chewtle is also fugly in design as well. Who took a look at Chewtle and went, "Yeah, that's aesthetically pleasing."?
I definitely expected Drednaw to be a single stage as well. It was kind of the opposite of Duraludon for me, which I expected to have at least one pre-evolution.
Duraludon with another stage would have been great! I could've made it a lot more accessible, since you could actually train it up instead of a 1% chance encounter at the tail end of the game...
I mean if you had shield theres a million raid battles.
ok, i thought there was some serious thought in this, but i stoped watching as soon as you point out "dark is evil, somehow a pre-evoution that has no actual negatives is a bad thing" as if we didnt see what happens when we get something like it. ... poor zeraora has that problem. there are only negatives to it if zorua did not exist. accessibility, the fact it would probably be doomed to be a mythical and simply put, the fact a pokemon would basically be born as a very adult looking creature is a long running problem with pokemon that lack evolutions like absol, tropius and so on.
i dunno what other pokemon you bring up, but i do not feel like it has much thought put into it going just by this first.
The Dark type *is* basically designed to be evil, even if most individual members aren't really of that alignment. That's why most Dark type moves are means of fighting dirty (still waiting for a Groin Kick move that does more damage to male Pokémon). Heck, it's even the actual name for the type in the Japanese versions.
Well i think he made a very good point talking about how you either get a Zoroark right away, or a zorua only five level away from evolving. Basically you skip that stage, so why make it in the first place. That's the only part I agree with about that pokemon. The other entries i find more easy to agree with, personaly.
@@gians.9880 It's value is more artistical, it's practically useless but it makes the world and the creature feel more complete
Nooo
I Love Both Zorua And Zoroark
It's Kinda Of A Mirror To The Lucario Line
They Both Look Like Rivals Like From An Anime
Hamza Hasan yeah I feel the same
Me too, seeing Zorua is what got me interested in the line to start with.
At first I completely disagreed with Zoroark but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense
especially now with that gen8 dark fox pokemon...
I still disagree with zorua not being a good prevalusion
Still doesn't make sense
To try and put a picture in your mind, Lickilicky seems to look like some old "gourmet" guy, with the yellow bars being gold chains connecting a vest together, with the white "bow" mark being a cravat thing.
that makes lickilicky even more gross XD
Zoroark is supposed to be Lucario’s counterpart. So yes I agree it should be a friendship evolution. So my excuse for Zoroark having a pre-evolution is that it is Lucario’s counterpart. Proof they are counterparts: They are introduced in generations right next to each other. And they both got their own movies.
And both previewed in the generation before their release. Lucario in PMD Red/Blue and Zoroark in it's movie. Also I want to point out how he complains about needing a Gen 4 event mon for Zorua, but doesn't have the same complaint with Zoroark needing an event legendary as well. And Zorua is the only way to get Zoroark in B2W2.
This is an awesome video concept, loved it!
"What's next, a baby Joker?"
Mime jr.: *whistles*
I really love Zorua so I'm glad it exists, tbh? It's great narratively for specific characters, which is a lot of how I engage with Pokemon.
I agree with Lickilicky being awful though. Chewtle is based off a snapping turtle, which do start as tiny babies and have heads too big to retract into their shells, so I think it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Silvally's face is SO much cooler than Type:Null so I'm glad they took the helmet off for it, but I do agree it could have not had to count as an evolution.
Aaand yeah Phione is awful.
5:26 well now tauros has a regional form
The one thing is that Type Nulls helmet is directly referred to as a power limiter put there because it’s creators were scared. Silvally evolving through friendship is supposed to represent your trust in it as a trainer to finally remove its limiter.
3:55 You fool. you absolute buffon.
Lickylicky is the mightiest pokemon of them all.
Whilst the masses clamor for foul things like "charizard" and (ugh!) "umbreon", those who are willing to see the light of Lickylicky are blessed with boundless fortune.
I know it's not real but as a bio major I like the inclusion of baby forms it makes sense to me including zorua and chewtle. I actually liked chewtle and loved that it turned into such a beastly looking pokemon. Honestly I wouldn't mind if it evolved again and just got scarier honestly dreadnaw could mega evolve and be a dragon and water type and i'd believe it.
11:48 hitmontop CLEARLY uses capoeria.
When you start to realize youtube videos are just PowerPoint presentations.
i love both hitmontop and LickyLicky.
LickyLicky was one of the best teammates in my pokemon black and white 1 playthrough, he waas powerful and healthy boy, and he looks cute, like a chunky prince who loves to eat.
Hitmontop was always a good evolution, it looks nice and it's stats are very nice. He doesn't look out of place in tyrogue evolution family.
Hitmontop was my reason to start using other pokemon types (I'm really into monotype battles and love Steel and Dark types).
Technician and priority make it great in my opinion.
I would say Drednaw is more like a middle stage evolution because i dont think it looks complete
See!? What did I say? :P People only want to add stages for everything. (But that does sound pretty cool actually...)
@@emperorcubone Well, a Pokemon evolving is one of the most exciting moments of a playthrough. No one wants to be stuck with something unchanging the whole playthrough. That's probably why people like to add stages. Pokemon who Don't evolve are kinda boring! (Not all of them, but most)
I thought the same, I'd avoided spoilers and didn't know lol. it does look unfinished.
I agree with this. I actually thought it would have another Evo. It looks like a mid evolution
I agree with you about Lickitung, no post-evolution needed, maybe a pre-evolution would fit...
Yay a Emperor Cubone video on my birthday 😁
Happy Birthday, fellow Emperor!
Fun fact: I used to believe Hitmontop was the evolution of Meditite. I was so surprised when I found out it evolved into a Medicham.
Taurus who got a new from in the Paleda region: 👁👄👁
Paldea*
As much as I agree with Drednaw I still love Chewtle so much that I'm happy it is in the game D: Also for me Chimecho is enough to be single stage. I'll never understand why they gave him baby form.
I forget that Chingling exists constantly! So unnecessary...
They should have given Chimecho an evolution instead of an unnecessary baby form.
They should've buffed chimecho a bit when giving it a baby.
Chingling probably exist because someone at Game Freak was playing too much Pac-Man.
Purugly’s head just looks like a boomerang.
In universe, phione is what happens when manaphy breeds outside the cold oceans of the Pokemon Ranger region (idk what it's called, sorry) so it makes sense to me at least, that phione doesn't evolve into Manaphy. It's kind of a breeding mistake, that's not supposed to be that way, so of course it doesn't evolve
of course, that leads to phione to legit being a waste of bytes
@@gypsysprite4824 it is still a waste of space, don't get me wrong, but there is at least an in universe explanation as to why it exists
Why is nobody talking about him calling Phione a "diet" Manaphy that's brilliant
"The rest of the hitmons look more human" Hitmonlee sitting there without a freaking head
No, getting rid of most of the Kanto single stages was a good thing. Arguably, it should be taken even further by connecting Tauros and Miltank with a cow calf pre-evolution and adding a pre-evolution to Pinsir, not to mention other generation single stages that could really use a family member like Dunsparce and Luvdisc. As long as they don't touch the Legends (aside from the rare exceptions like Phione/Manaphy that existed from the beginning); the single stage gimmicks like Smeargle, Mimikyu (as you mentioned), Ditto, Shuckle, Castform, etc.; and ones like Kangaskhan where it otherwise wouldn't make sense; single stage families just usually aren't very good on their own.
I'll give you that they could've done much better than Lickilicky for a Lickitung evolution, though.
I really love the Zorua line; Both Zorua and Zoroark. They are my favorite dark types.
While I love Zorua, I think that Zoroark should have been a one-off or even legendary
Lickilicki is an absolute chad
Bruh Hitmontop is easily the best part of the hitmon line (Hitmonlee is also cool but Hitmonchan is straight up trash in battle).
Yeah hitmontop fits fine
it's pretty difficult to evolve I guess
But can Hitmontop sweep teams at 1 HP with Reversal?
Hm I like Hitmonlee more, but I like hitmontop more than hitmonchan
Even if it is, I'm sure I'm not the only one that has resented it over the years. If they could have avoided that altogether by making Hitmontop its own Pokemon I think everyone would have been happier...
I always understood that Lickilicky’s belly pattern is an upside down wifi symbol. Seeing as it was introduced in gen 4 when wireless trades and battles through WiFi became a thing.
I would go for Aipom since Aipom’s design is super adorable and cool and the evolution has a creepy smile
Chewtle is adorable,don’t you dare hate on chewtle. It matches what it evolves in to
Silvally should have been a form or somthing like that, not an evoloution.
Well, there's no way the mask's going back on, and evolution is the closest conveyance of that.
We’ve got a new one in Pawmi, it definitely deserves a spot here now
1000% agree!
Nooooo zorua is cuttte!!!!! We love zoroa 😭 but interesting video nevertheless
@MordoroTheProtogen oh oops
1.) It makes sense that Chewtle looks like it can't fit into its shell, as it's line is based on the Alligator Snapping turtle, Which are unable to retreat into their shells
2.) Don't diss my boy Silvally...
Oh yeah, that thing about gen 1 Pokémon. Round 45% of the original 151 Pokémon have new forms later on, be it pre evolutions, evolutions, Gigantamax, megas, regional forms
As opposed to say, Gen 3 where you have all of one Zigzagoon line...
Roseli got Budew and Roserade, Dusknoir and Probopass final evolutions, Gallade and Froslass branched evolutions.
20 Mega-Evolutions and 2 Primals, so if you have ever played VGC10, 16 or 19, you were either soaking wet after every battle or died due to dehydration
Emperor Cubone gen 3 also had many things added to it retroactively. The three starter megas, galar zigzagoon/linoone, gallade as a branching evo, probopass, mega sabeleye, mega mawile, mega medicham, mega manectric, buddew/roserade, mega sharpedo, mega camerupt, mega altaria, dusknoir, mega absol, froslass, mega salamence, mega metagross, regigigas (directly connected to the three gen 3 regis), mega latias, mega latios, primal kiogre, primal groudon, mega rayquaza.
Perhaps I will make percentages for all of these
So what would hapoen if Hitmontop wasnt part of the line and u evolved Tyrogue with both attack and defense balanced
Thats why Hitmontop was created
Snapping turtles aren’t able to go into their shells
I'm a fan of the Type:Null line. The story behind it is sweet. It brought back Mew two vibes for all you 90s babes that also remember. Odd legendary though I will admit
A giant Zoroark hatching from an egg isn't naturally possible-
I deal with it enough with the already existing single stage Pokemon.
And an absol is possible?
@@sechabatheletsane9784 "I deal with it enough with already existing single stage Pokemon"
Supersonic Shinx exactly
Yeah giant zoroark would be stupid.
*Kanghaskan hatching* : hold my baby
All of them are good points! Phone could have been the original carbink and diance ..
Love your original ideas for videos as always, keep up the great work!
Ooh, yeah! If it had been like Carbink that would have been fine!
Dissing cute Zorua and Hitmontop (while not even knowing what capoeira is, apparently)
Aight imma head out
Who made your profile picture, its very well done.
13:19 Phione is actually LARGER than Manaphy, which I find hilarious. Like, your stupid child that hatched out of your egg is larger than you right as it hatched.
I feel like I’m the only person who likes Purugly. Definitely my favorite “regional” cat Pokémon
I always name it PureUgly everytime when I play a Randomized Nuzlocke lol
I like Chewtle, Phione, and Zorua... so when you say nobody would miss them, there are people who would.
I definitely would miss Zorua
I think silvally should be Type:Null form rather than evolution
True, but I just thought this. Would you want to put his head restraint back on?
It would have to be a permanent form change, unlike other forms which can change back
evolution probably the best option
@@byksEBM item that cannot be removed, only broken with use (and have the friendship counter on that) and that allows to change into "base" form.
and with how little difference is there betweem the two (speed and the fact null learn less moves naturally), it would have make perfect sense
@@serPomiz I like this. But broken on one use: wouldn't that mean Type:Null wouldnt be able to hold any other items, like Eviolite?
@@byksEBM true, but that's part of the thing: the helmet.
what we got is silvally learns bite attacks, null doesn't, which translate in "the helmet prevent him from biting"
what I'm proposing is "he can't hold things because of the helmet"
after all, we aren't talking battletactics and balcing, we're on lore.
‘The other two are relatively human-like’
bro hitmonlee looks like some alien in my dreams, especially in it’s shiny form
Swirlix and Spritzee for me, I don't like either of their evolutions
In my opinion their entire lines could get erased and nobody would miss them
Oh, good call; I would take that in a heartbeat...
@@gadobriel5417 I would agree fully if not for the fact that belly drum slurpuff is really good in showdown
Alot of fairy types introduced were not even that good
@@RBatman5000 Dedenne can't even take advantage of its fairy type because it just learns charm and play rough
We only have tauros and ditto
Boy do I have some news for you 4 years later 😅
If Phione was an Alolan Pokemon I'm sure it would evolve into Manaphy
Bro Zora is adorable
The only advantage that phione has over manaphy is its shiny
Though it's irrelevant, one evolution I hate profoundly with all my heart is Rhyperior! Rhydon was so beautiful and it could stand on its own!
Awesome vid! If I were to pick a number 7 spot I would probably pick snorlax
I get that, but I do actually like Munchlax as well...
I’ve heard the reason why Manaphy could only produce Phione in the main games is because Manaphy eggs could only be produced in the warm seas of the Ranger regions
What's next? A baby Joker?
Omg, never looked at things this way, but this made me laugh xD
Great video, fresh new perspective.
Btw, did you know that a lot of Pokemon are made final stage first?
They build down from final to baby, at least in the old games
I will never understand the hate for Lickilicky.
Don’t talk trash about my boy chewtle.
was about to comment the same thing, what's everyone's problem with him? I like him better.
OctoReality I don’t know why people hating on chewtle and nice. Me I like both equally.
Honestly, I like how Manaphy works. The original Manaphy is sort of like.. A progenitor? Phione will never be as good as Manaphy, and that’s what makes it special! It’s not quite that original, super rare and nearly unobtainable mythical, which truly makes it more mythical in the end.
I disagree with you on the Pokémon in this video, but I do agree that Phione should have evolved into Manaphy.
5:28 yeah about that….
I just told my parents i was gay and this video encouraged me to take the risk thank you
Uh... hope it went well
Congrats and everything but why this video?
Congrats but nobody cares.
@@3.2187_Kilometres Shut up and stop liking your own comments. It's embarassing.
@@theot.2869 Bruh moment.
Another unique concept for a video from you - really enjoyed it! I would add Bellossom to this, it makes no sense Gloom actually gets smaller when evolving and loses a type!
Yeah, that lost Poison typing really screams "Add-on."
It would've made more sense if bellossom was just an alternative evolution for oddish instead of evolving from gloom.