What They Don't Tell You About Tiamat, Queen of Evil Dragons - D&D
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4:20 “the queens legs are as thicc as great trees”
Brother that’s all you got to say 😎
Secular Sage your bard is showing
Bard: attempts to sudo tiamat
DM: roll for seduction
Bard: rolls a nat 20
DM: #%&#
"Hrrrngh. Chromatic Dragons, I'm trying to sneak around, but I'm dummy thicc and the clap of my butt cheeks keeps alerting the Archdevils."
The timing of the quote also hit the funny number
And that’s how half-dragons are made.
I just imagine Tiamat in hell just flipping through Netflix, forever unable to find anything to watch because each head likes something different. That's why she's bound there.
Asmodeus: "Once you can agree on a show to watch you can be free"
*the five heads internally screaming at each other*
im dead
as amazing as that might be, her heads kinda sound like limbs, instead of actual heads, consider her "brain" is in her body
@@hannahh. *SCREEEEEEEEE*
@@hannahh. Yeah, but then they just put on Stranger Things.
"The queen's legs are THICC as great trees."
Damn. Okay, I'm sold, Cleric of Tiamat is my next character.
Tiamat eats and sleeps with her own children 🤢🤮🤮
@@rejvaik00 sweet home Alabama
@@gufosufo337 more like sweet home Ivory Coast
@@rejvaik00 greek mythology: let us introduce ourselves
@@rejvaik00 so does half of Faerun if you read the lore
Tiamat: has alignment lawful evil
Also tiamat: is the queen of chaos
I mean Karen is also lawful evil too so... yeah
I think she became lawful because of her pact with Asmodeus, but she is chaotic in her nature
@@user-vm9xz4kv9z all dragons are lawful, it's their nature.
@@andreaslois3074 Not really, there are plenty of chaotic dragons, like copper & white dragons come to mind
@@user-vm9xz4kv9z by alignment they're considered lawful. Hence my point. Also those are metallic dragons, and the fact that they're lawful good shows that being lawful is a dragon trait overall, not just for chromatics.
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*D E P R E S S I O N*
*Hears a knock at the door. Goes to open it. Stares in awe as a Blue Dragon stands there in a button up shirt and tie.*
"Excuse me sir, but have you heard the good word of our lord and savior Tiamat?"
*Sees another figure, and stares at a Silver dragon in a glorious robe.*
" Hah! Tiamat is old news, instead, why not join the temple of Bahumat? After all, we have togas and robes! "
Well, I know what I'm including in one of my sessions.
Honestly of the 5 breeds a blue dragon is the most likely to do something like that lol
Toga toga toga
*lady and conqueror
Rhexx: "the queen's legs are as thick as great trees"
Rule 34 artists, already scribbling down: "yes, continue"
Didn't you notice 26:31? They already started. (I mean that doesn't show her legs, but that expression…)
@@SimonClarkstone Oh but we know where that picture is from, and it shows more than legs.
@@WildCommoner Jesus Christ I'm going to regret this but... Sauce?
@@WeaponizedStrumpet Search tiamat on a rule 34 or specifically e621
“So that’s where they hid The Eye of Vecna
"Is Tiamat a deity or just a unique legendary monster?"
That answer depends *heavily* on edition and campaign setting. XD
Wouldn't she simultaneously be both, but also neither?
For real though. In 3.5e she doesn't even have stats because she's an actual deity, but you could pretty eaaily make stats for her if she's not a god in your setting.
@@lordbalthosadinferni4384 tiamat is a multiversal god so i guess there could be instances where she lost the god status
Deity with legendary monster avatars of herself?
In the dnd in my campaign she is sort of a primordial goddess of chaos born before the world
Next episode. "What they don't tell you about: Bahamut the metallic King"
Hope so! Also a series on Gem Dragons would be cool, he hasn’t done them yet
My first character was a Paladin of Bahamut, I still hold him as a personal favorite.
I have an idea for a paladin of bahamut, but it's probably not very original. (I've never gotten a chance to play myself before unfortunately) the idea is for a red dragonborn redemption paladin, who continuously fights against his inborn nature to serve the light and bahamut, he'd have anger issues, but deep down he'd strive to be better.
And then finish it off with a video on Asgorath, God of Dragons(And is also possibly the overgod Ao somehow, D&D lore is weird sometimes)
@@dorianrobinette9712 that archetype might not be original, but it is YOUR STORY THEY WILL TELL THROUGHOUT THE AGES !!! * COUGH cough * sorry my inner DM slipped there ! 😁
Earlier Rhexx said, he wasn't sure about long videos, but this seems dope
I just am upset he didn’t cover Gem Dragons. He could do them in one video probably. Along with Sardior.
Blue 64 He hasn’t made a video on Gem Dragons. At least not yet. Maybe you’re thinking of another TH-camr?
@@MCjossic
Hmmm, you seem to be correct. I'd watched this video instead:
th-cam.com/video/QHoPibLC2K0/w-d-xo.html
It's still a solid 20+ min though, and they did cut content similar to the Dragon Cult in this video. There's plenty of content to cover about em.
I also really want gem dragons.
I just hope the long videos aren't too often, but for bigger topics like this I don't mind getting a series of longer videos back to back.
According to 5e's Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, "dracohydras are the result of arcane experimentation dedicated to recreating Tiamat's power." Of course, that book was published over a year after the making of this lore video. Great stuff!!
Tiamat is so famous that she was just thrown into the D&D kids show.
A terribly underrated show
and she was very different from how she truly acts
that show had lolth aswell in a episode.
the WHAT
had lolth demon queen of spiders@@iguessthisismyworkaccountl8437
Venger: You can't defeat me.
Hank: I know, but she can.
(Tiamat emerges from a cave)
so basically, the queen and mother of dragons just has a draconic harem
Reverse harem but yeah
You are giving me weird ideas...
An Alabaman reverse harem
I think that's still just a normal harem.
Like, male prostitutes aren't "reverse prostitutes."
@@kendrajade6688 and the demographic of people who have the most amount of in group bias in the US aren't "reverse" racist. They are just racist.
Last time I was this early Tiamat wasn't stuck in Avernus.
@RJK The Ur-Quan from Star Control and Star Control 2. They are some of the best villains in all of sci-fi.
Last time I was this early Tiamat was voiced by Frank "Megatron" Welker.
Interesting Story... When my group did the Tyranny of Dragons campaign, we actually stopped the ritual to summon Tiamat from completing. She was never summoned in our game.
So our Avernus campaign is going to be a bit more interesting since in the canon of our game she still has her Second Avatar.
Any update on this? Kinda wonder what happened in your Avernus campaign with this added to it ;)
Tell us!
"The dragon
essence within the orb might want many things: the annihilation of a particular people, freedom from the
orb, to spread suffering in the world, to advance the
worship of Takhisis (Tiamat's name on Krynn), or something else the DM decides."
Page 225 of the DMG for 5th edition. So yeah, Takhisis IS Tiamat according to WotC. At least in 5e.
I think it's been that way since 2nd Ed. I'm fairly certain Tiamat and Takhisis are the same being.
They were the same in 4e as well.
Kinda a mute point right now since Takhisis is dead.
Just a reminder that the Game Lore Police will not kick down your door and confiscate your dice if you rewrite, ignore, or add to lore to suit the purposes of your game. Like, for example that the Spice Girls were an Our-Earth manifestation of Tiamat attempting to gain our plane's version of worship, celebrity status!
@@jalzahn4404 Perhaps Takhisis is one of her offspring that got away?
Tiamat: *Becomes dracolich*
Ao: I allow it.
Oh god
Bahamut: *nervous laughing*
it´s not that much of an upgrade, really. it still is weaker than any of her true forms so. why not. plus Draco liches are just dragons that are hard to kill. They are more powerful but not THAT much more powerful.
@@Metalhammer1993 Bruh, but what if her heads can detach and float around on their own or some crap?
@@user-cs7fg5eq9r
Ah yes, a dragon version of the Death Tyrant. Like we didn't have enough problems.
I've always assumed that everything in the Nine Hells is a prisoner, even the lords themselves. Hell is a place of punishment, and just like how the Devil is a prisoner in ice in Dante's Inferno (the main inspiration for the Nine Hells concept), every demon lord is bound to their layer in some way and has limitations placed on their powers. That would explain the variance in the description of Tiamat's role in Avernus.
Sorry but i doubt thata game from 2000 +/- is the inspiration for the nine hells in dnd. A game that already existed in the 1970's
palmagius I’m unsure if you’re trolling or not, but for the record, I’m referring to Inferno of the Divine Comedy, not a game.
@@ChunkyTheClown ah then it makes sense. there is a game with the exact same name
@@palmagius Yeah. Based on the book.
@@machinedramon3532 was a good game too. At least in my opinion
I remember that time my wizard accidentally uncovered her plan...in person...in an enclosed space (the tomb of Strahd...makes sense in the campaign). We used the single wish on our Luck Blade to travel back 3 days and that we would be the only ones who remember. She was apparently a divine exception. Yeah, my wizard was panicking while everyone else made a gameplan
i know its been 2 years but i dont care, this is not something wish can do as the best thing it can do is unmake something of the previous round "You undo a single recent event by forcing a Reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a wish spell could undo an opponent's successful save, a foe's critical hit, or a friend's failed save. You can force the Reroll to be made with advantage or disadvantage, and you can choose whether to use the Reroll or the original roll"
@@xristoskoumpourlis1614 you missed this part of wish:
"You might be able to achieve something beyond the scope of the above examples. State your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance"
I love learning lore about DND, it's so interesting and vast and it fills my mind with the longing for the fantasy world. And when you tell it, you just make it seem even more real.
She’s treated by dragons as a mom, not a god. They even give her Mother’s Day gifts.
Not metallics they send her prank gifts
Tiamat eats and sleeps with her own children 🤢🤮🤮
@@coffinrocks Metallics aren't her children though.
Yah, like MOM from Futurama!
And if They displease her she fucking killed them ha
It's worth mentioning that the name "Tiamat" comes from the Sumerian creation myth; the god Enki slew her, and from her created the material world; from drops of his blood shed during this battle, humans were created (not D&D lore, but interesting).
And Bahamut took up the name of Marduk in one of the old campaigns, apparently.
wasn't enki tiamat's son?
@@charlesfisher-kh5sw
According to the Babylonian epic of creation, Tiamat's husband was Apsu. Enki was about six generations down. And shit got pretty bad before he threw down with her, all the other gods had gone on strike.
@@elbruces but like, he was still a direct descendant, right? like he was her great X5 grandson (i think i did that maths right)
@@charlesfisher-kh5sw
I dunno, Wikipedia is right over there. -->
Yeah, Tiamat was a great goddess loved by my friends in our group ADnD 2nd e. group. So much so we played an almost nonstop campaign that spanned from 1993 to 1999. Playing almost every weekend during the school year. Playing all night from Friday at 6pm all the way to 9 or 10am Saturday morning. Sleep then start again around 2 or 3 pm and play till Sunday morning. lol, Sleep all day Sunday for school Monday. When summer vacation came around. It was more spread out during the week. So what did we do during these 6 years of play? Well once our players got max level. We Took over all 9 layers of hell. Ended the eternal war with Devils and Demons. With the same method use in the Diablo game with e prime evils. Our characters separated the rulers of the 9 hells from their bodies, soul, and power. Shattered their soul crystal so they couldn't return ever. Feed their bodies to Tiamat, Freeing her in the process but instead of to attack Bahamut full-on once free. The Tiamat and the party made it still look like she is caged in hell so that scrying gods don't try to interfere and warn the other realms. Each of us players took all the powers for our selves and dominated all 9 hells. Turning the 9 hells from a chaotic mess to a united and organized front of both devils and demons. Thus remaking the entire layers in a new image. My character took the Malbolge layer and made it into the crown jewel of hell for all things magics creating the realms own magical weave for 9 layers that eventually bleed into all realms completing a circuit were the 9 hells has access to all realms and planes, but we didn't attack them. That would have been a dumb thing to do. Instead, we turn the 9 hells into the most prosperous plane that made everyone want to come to hell. The players were elevated to godhood in the 9 hells we were we all worked together to maintain this new version of hell. Don't get me wrong hell still place for suffering for the sins but now it is 1000 times more efficient and with add tourism that makes you keep wanting to come back. lol
Dude that's fucking epic, I've thought of something like this but more for a Trifling Character I plan on making, basically he wants to take over the 9 Hells then potentially the Abyss. Gonna be one hell of a character
Jesus... Thats prty dope
That sounds like a totally bomb-ass campaign, wish I was in it
My party just wanted to chisel "tattoos" into themselves whilst under the influence of stoneskin.
I have a plan for a high level part of my campaign where an ancient gold dragon has been raising a multi-headed or rainbow spawn of Tiamat that it rescued from her before it was identified, and raised them too be good and to one day become the queen of Chromatic dragons
And here we have the exact reason she kills those offspring.
That sounds like the fastest Dragon war ever. That sounds like the capstone of a max level group. Having to assasinate powerful dragons that would interfere and blind Her gaze from the plane it is on otherwise she and her coirt would come to kill it.
Imagine a “what they don’t tell you about Waterdeep”, video would be awesome
Undermountain too!
Lol those are both real big requests. Sourcebooks on both are spotry and contradictory. The canon is all in about 50ish novels that far as I can tell Rhexx dont read, might be a bit much on the research front.
@@bayoubilly5176 Is that on purpose to reflect the madness, chaos, and secrecy of Halaster and his operations?
Ah yes me and the rest of the party being level 2 and the DM says “so Tiamat walks in”
the party's faces when i'm not kidding when i mention powerful evil things just... existing, doing things that aren't completely evil evil 100% of the time
Ex: a city taken over by devils, and there's a horned devil sitting at the bar, racking up a 20 gold tab, unable to get drunk but just liking the flavors
In one of the manuals thats a joke tip for what to do if shit gies down because of the players and nothing helps
I do hope you'll get around to doing Dwarves like you did Elves.
All of these have been a blast to watch and listen too.
I think the "Force dragons" and the "Prismatic dragons" you mentioned in "The Single Strongest Monster of All Time" are most likely the spawns of Bahamut and Tiamat that would reflect the God Plan of creating perfect dragons. It would make sense with the myth from "the races of dragons" you talked about in this video...
Tiamat's General's force that you didn't fully identify, Gope's Erinyes, was the Furies/Fates from Greek Lore, one of the few things more fearsome than a Valkrye would be a Fury, much less an entire Army of them. There's only 3 Groups of them in existence, hence why they have the Lore of only having 3 in existence, specifically the 3 Hags of Fate that cuts the Threads of Fate would be the Generals of the Furies, ranked directly beneath Tiamat's General (whomever they might be).
Tiamat could be the ruler of Avernus and still be a prisoner. Hell is essentially a prison for Satan, but he still rules over it.
In medieval traditions, dragons are little different than demons. They are the physical embodiment of greed, lust, and sloth. They horde treasure, steal princesses, and sleep on their pile of treasure. In the bible, Satan is referred to as the great dragon.
"And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born."
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Fun fact: the seven headed dragon in the first quote is a reference to Rome.
@@HumanoidCableDreads don't forget about The 7 headed Dragon From The Apocalypse that is very scary
4:50 Gonna be that guy, but Brimstone IS sulfur. So saying that when Tiamat opens her mouth it smells of "brimstone and sulfur", means that it smells of "sulfur and sulfur". I'm not sure what the other smell is supposed to be, but the common phrase used to describe something like hell is "fire and brimstone".
I actually appreciate the distinction.
So the ultimate objective is to get Tiamat and Bahamuth to reproduce and create the perfect offspring? That sounds like a really cool campaign honestly.
Lol just setting them up with each other
Enemies to lovers
Wait- aren't they siblings
@@buboniccraig896 for gods it is different, kinda.
We must more think about concepts with a body that living being, so also if two gods could born from the same "parent" (so related), it isn't the same of a brother or a sister, just to say.
Of course, it depends how much they are "deites" or not.
@BubonicCraig2
They absolutely despise each other, but they *are* technically siblings *but* siblings having children together isn't really that uncommon among gods/godlike beings
@@supriseddragon6737 yeah they dont really have dna so inbreeding isnt a problem for them, still weird tho
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7:29 I can't believe you used a picture of the old D&D cartoon.
Remember when Mr. Rhexx made fun of being sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends? I do.
Money doesnt stink. Im glad he took their money - and we all know raid is shit and a meme.
@@Hekk. Yeah but that script is insane
When
@@Hekk. I like raid shadow legends. I've never played it or seen it played, but they pay my favorite creators to make the entertainment I do enjoy.
I am more concerned about whatever script is updating that description entry. They could literally put in there whatever they want.
It would be interesting to see if Asmodeus will ever excuse himself and try to fix their relationship again. It would be double interesting if Tiamat and Asmodeus mated and gave rise to a new demigod. I would love such a story.
I have a feeling she would be a bridezilla and have massive mood swings
That would be a interesting plot in a dnd game.
Still a better love story than twilight.
Finally someone else who ships them.
Their baby would still be a god.
7:55 Tiamat rolls for Seduction?
26:40 Nat 20!
I saw that and I was like "HOLD THE FUCK UP"
Tiamat has a great design of DnD, as said the 5 headed Dragon Queen of Chaos.
I would love to see a 40min video just covering human Liches, they seem to have tons of lore behind them
Liches were always hard for me to DM. They are so strong, and fragile at the same time.
Another case where draconic lore deviates between Krynn/Dragonlance and most of the rest of D&D settings. Takhisis is a similar but very different deity. The image of the wizard in front of her is actually Raistlin in front of Takhisis, referencing his trip into the Abyss (also uniquely different in Dragonlance than other settings) and there is even a comic image that says Takhisis.
Wait they aren't the same? Interesting.
Honestly this was way more informative than I thought, It was cool to learn that Tiamat isn't limited to her five heads and can switch to yellow, purple, orange, etc.
I wonder if you can do one on Bahamut since I can't find much on him
Honestly, I am ok with the sponsor if it helps MrRhexx, as long as he's fine and rewarded for making videos, all Gucci.
Imma actually play past the tutorial to help Rhexx, I've been subscribed for 6 years now.
Seemingly Raid Shadow Legends created a version of Patreon where you pay with time instead of money.
I don't know. Raid is notorious for fucking over those who they sponsor
@@nehmann674 very true indeed
Aaaaas long as there's no false advertising involved. That's where i draw the line.
This one was alright, if i heard him say "the most ambitious RPG of the decade !" or some such nonsense, i'd have stopped the video immediately and left to watch someone else.
Unsbbed from many channels just because of that one line being such an egregious lie. Saying that to your viewers' faces is just disrespectful and i wouldn't want to support someone paid to be disrespectful towards me. I don't think any less of them, i get the struggle, it's just the extent to which i'm ready to struggle alongside them doesn't quite reach that far.
Thanks for this it explains a ton. We just played decent into Avernus and I played a kobold evocation wizard that was an acolyte of Tiamat. Our group ended up helping her escape her shackles and she offered some of her warriors to help us defeat the current ruler.
I was introduced to dnd through the books. My family actually did their best to keep it out of my sphere! The books were amazing and led me to do more and more research and officially realized that it was all based into dnd.
Love your content. So hard to find an enjoyable and informative D&D lore channel that covers every fact of the subject, in a way that feels exciting and rewarding. I feel I have learnt so much from your content and made me a better player and DM for your efforts! I appreciate the work you do brother! Would love to see a video on Strahd!!! Keep going man, We'll be here to support and enjoy the fruits of your labour!
tiamat gets her own dragon simps. i wouldnt expect anything less
😏😏😏
@Mr420Spy well she did her brother so ;3
Mr420Spy All 5 Of em
Tiamat eats and sleeps with her own children 🤢🤮🤮
Tiamat sends false copyright strikes to Bahamut.
i feel like a grey dragon head would be pretty solid, those are the advanced fang dragons right?
Yes
Hybrid of Fang and Black dragons. Kinda like how we breed types of dogs, she tried to incorporate the Fangs for their power.
This is simular to how deep/purple dragons came from black Dragons, and then became the original shadow dragons.
Josh Davis i just remember him mentioning them in the Fang Dragon video, how they were basically made to be Fang Dragons but with a breath attack and (presumably) the ability to fly :/
@@Aerowarrier Yes this is correct. Through breeding means, thus they have a simular acid breath to blacks. Fangs... can fly somewhat but prefer to jump and glide, oddly. I believe his video addressing them uses both as the topic. A bit sad that the Greys are commanded to hunt down and exterminate all Fangs until they are extinct.
Would drive the market for 9 lives stealer blades like crazy though. No more fang dragon fang powder and all that.
Riley H. Sticky Acid
Tiamat is a major character in my campaign. She is not directly the villain, but the Goddess of all evil. That makes her essentially the most powerful evil creature in the campaign, but her chaotic nature lets her be... a bit weird. Helping the heroes at times, eating people alive...
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Tiamat the Queen of Dragons the destroyer of Gods and assumed to be one of my character waifu
You must fight your rival and her former lover.........her brother behaumut
Tiamat eats and sleeps with her own children 🤢🤮🤮
Let me guess, he saw the Fate/Grand Order version
me 5 videos before: "he will never do anything even better - there is no chance!"
me now: "I`ve never been so wrong in my life"
Seeing this video right now, when Fazbin's Treasury of Dragons is about to come out and finally shed light on the First World, it's, it's mindboggling, really.
8:00 the look that your dragon gid waifu gives you when she comes home from a long day of work and sees the meal of gold dragon steak you made for her
Holy cow, you decided to skip a lot of things. I'd totally watch more videos about Tiamat.
Or Bahamut too :O
Last I heard, she’s still showing up 24 times a day in Neverwinter. Give up already. Smh...
28:00
Hold up. You said earlier that she eats those hydra dragon kids specifically to safeguard her own power. And she lives in the Hells, a place where everyone will overthrow you if you take a second to breath. She is also evidently not even a true God since she can age and such...and she basically does the conquest and break out thing specifically to A: Survive and B: Cause she was betrayed.
Look, I get her actions are 100% evil and selfish, but it kinda feels unfair to say she does this because she enjoys it. She needs minions, Mortal plane dragons aren't always strong enough and she readily loses the souls of Dragons who come to her. Also there are a lot of reptile species that will mate with offspring because inbreeding isn't an issue for them...thus the same stigma that most races have with it just doesn't exist for her. Really Tiamat's entire gig kinda sounds like she is getting beaten down on every day of the week and then blamed for getting beaten down on. As in, she does what she does to survive, not cause she enjoys it. Plus her own kids are well known to be extremely power hungry, so keeping the ranks low in number basically ensures she survives.
Geez, someone give these dragons a hug. If they had the opportunity to change and the belief that they would be able to benefit from the change I'm pretty sure their evil tendencies to survive would go away. Yo Bahamut, I've got an idea!
Time to get funky
The hate sex between Bahamut and Tiamat would be legendary.
@@esteban8471
I mean if Bahamut helps her go from Chaotic Evil to Neutral, I dont think hate would be in the equation.
@@clayxros576 True, but there might still be some aggression from how long they've hated each other, at least during the first few times.
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You got me there. Lots of....agression to work out
From 4e, Hammerfast and one of the Scales of War adventures each include a multiheaded dragon. The Scales of War adventure is Alliance at Nefelus in Dungeon 165 and has a two-headed white dragon. Hammerfast isn't explicitly an adventure, it's an adventure site for, like, a West Marches style game and the final villain is a three-headed red dragon.
Can we actually get a part 2 of this video where you cover the stuff you didn’t get a chance to in this video.
Yeah, I’d love a video covering lore spoilers. I don’t really play the modules themselves, but I’ve always found the lore interesting.
Me too, as a DM of said modules, and feeling those sort of empty on some aspects, I really would love to have this bits of info and spoiler to spice things up, it is mostly why I watch this channel, lore makes for more fun games.
Wait those hooded figures didn't tell me she was evil
Honestly debatable if she is actually evil, or just a desperate animal cornered and trying to survive. Like, Rhexx said she "enjoyed" eating her kids, but earlier said that she did so to preserve her power. Pretty big difference there, and I'd argue her entire thing is just survival at this point.
@@clayxros576 But she has also decided to be a lord of hell and decided to rule over all evil dragons. And she doesn't just do this for power (which is evil enough in itself) but she likes ruling over evil.
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From what I've seen, debatable. A lot of the gods and primordials (which its implied that's what she was) are pretty screwed by where they just happened to land after the Lost Realms were created. Sure she gets the enjoyment wherever she can find it (and the Hells are stated to have corrupted her over time) but I wouldn't go as far as to say she chose this position. If she fell into the higher planes with that Coatle god she probably would be a Chaotic Good character rather than the evil she is. Dragons would still probably be nuts though.
@@clayxros576 In a philosophical way, our personality and thus many of our choices are created by our past experiences (and genetics). Just because Tiamat was forced into evil doesn't mean we should attempt to find a different thing to call her other than evil. She may not have been evil when she fell to the lower planes, but she certainly is now.
So great! I'm actually playing a character who's Tiamat's bard/fool. This totally helps me background. Would you ever do a video on Olidammara? I feel like he doesn't get any attention
This is the video I've dreamed of! Always loved dragons and was interested about her. Tiamat was what got me interested in D&D in the first place. Thank you for such amazing and interesting videos
This is why I started Tyranny of Dragons as my first campaign to DM. Her power. So many things to throw at adventures. So much to gain as the story leads to the final battle........ sigh*... and ofcourse, lots of DM work... lol.
45 minutes ohh men this is gonna be great
6:04 That's a pretty cool fact! Not only was it a new piece of info for me (relatively new to D&D), but also secretly eludes to this information in her MTG Card form, a 5-color creature with the ability to search out up to 5 other Dragons (not named Tiamat) with different names!
2 years later, I'm still listening to this.
A part 2 ! With historical events as well ! Thank you !
26:42 The sheer vibe of "fucky" eyes here is so strong I can only infer that while searching for images of tiamat for the vid, Rhexx found a tiamat dakimura and is too much of a coward to show the whole thing . . .
or maybe its worse than that
Its worse, depending on your definition. XD
That pic was made by a furry artist, Lunalei.
Honestly, the longer the video, the deeper the lore, the better the video. Too many people don’t like long videos just because “they’re too long.” Like, my guy, you can pause and watch later. I listen to these while I’m driving, which I usually have a couple of 1/2 hour drives a day at least. Love the content, man. Been binging. Idk if the Raid promo is still running for you (since old video), but I’m working through the tutorial (at least) as thanks. If it has ended, I hope you made your quota. ❤️
This seems like it needs a part 2. I want to know why gith have red dragons and how clerics get her favor. Does tiamat actively hunt giants? Since I though dragons and giants hate each other.
Gith and red dragons would be better explained in a video focusing on the gith lore. Clerics gain her favor by making offerings of gold and treasure. Tiamat is stuck in the Nine hells so she has no interactions with giants, dragons and giants are ancient enemies but it is primarily a cold war at this point because they both have greatly diminished numbers compared to the past
Fun fact: There is one (1) other chromatic dragon in the official lore, the Dragon Queen of Krynn, Thakisis. One has to wonder what would happen if the two should meet.
Another Fun fact: Tiamat has started (since 4th edition) to bolster her armies with weird chromatic hybrids known as the Dragonspawn of Tiamat. These hybrid creatures breed true among themselves, and are almost universally used to spread her influence on the prime material.
I have always assumed they were the same goddess on different planes, but he did add a note that they were different on here too.
Wrong. Tiamat *_is_* Takhisis.
WotC monster mythology indicates they are one and the same. "... both Bahamut and Tiamat appeared prominently in the Dragonlance Chronicles adventures (1984-1986) under the new names of Paladine and Takhisis." I am thinking since WotC owns the IP for DnD one can safely assume they are the same.
Reference: dnd.wizards.com/articles/feat...ster-mythology
Also, in Dragonlance, they straight up say that Takhisis is known as Ti'maht in another culture further in the world.
Same god, different version. Despite what Hickman and Weiss say. Just like they still lie and say Fizban isn't Zifnab.
They lied because of copyright way back when, and just won't admit it now that copyright is no longer an issue.
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive this ^ and when you read dragonlance takhisis just screams 5e D@D
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive Good to know, I was not aware that the Canon had changed on that front.
Thus Fizban is an avatar of Bahamut as Bahamut and Paladin is one and the same.
@@Krishnath.Dragon The hardest thing for those two to do is just admit that they reused other characters - hard for a creator to admit to a lack of creativity lol.
Oh hell yeah, an entire documentary!
I love this so much! I'm actually running two games of the Tyranny of Dragons campaign and this gives me so much more information and content for that. I really love all your work, thank you very much. Cheers from Argentina! I would love to see a Bahamut one as well if possible :D
1:15: A poster of a Dragonlance scene as told in "Dragons Of Spring Dawning", featuring Takhisis, Queen Of Darkness in her temple in Sanction. The prisoner, Laurana (Lauralanthalasa), known by the entire continent of Ansalon by that point in the War Of The Lance as the Golden General, is flanked by a Sivak Draconian on the viewer's right (Silver) and either a Baaz or Kapak Draconian (Brass or Copper respectively)
4:32: Apparently a Dragonlance portrait due to the name Takhisis present in the top panel. I don't speak the language, though.
11:10: "Takhisis is not Tiamat'' -- Yet, here we are with another Dragonlance image. The Black Robed mage, Raistlin Majere is here with the glowing hourglass. In the Twins Trilogy (Time Of The Twins, War Of The Twins, Test Of The Twins) Raistlin's ultimate goal is to enter the Abyss and battle Takhisis with the intent to kill her and take her place amidst the pantheon. Whether this image takes place in the Abyss or not is not known to me
The three major gods of Krynn - Paladine, Takhisis, and Gilean, are all known by different names in the world. Gilean is the God Of Neutrality and is the Lorekeeper, whose avatar resides in Palanthas' Great Library recording everything that is happening in the world. Throughout the novels I read I never saw any other names given to him.
Paladine, however, very blatantly advertises who he is by the end of "Dragons Of Spring Dawning" to both the reader and to Tasslehoff, telling him names like Bahamut among one race, Io to the Elves, the Platinum Dragon to others, and a few other names. He is introduced in the prologue of the first novel, "Dragons Of Autumn Twilight" but his identity is never hinted at until partway through the second novel, "Dragons Of Winter NIght'' when he confronts Silvara, a Silver Dragon disguised as an elf, about breaking 'The Pact' in front of the Companions Of The Lance.
Takhisis, on the other hand, has titles that are by no means hidden by anyone. Queen Of Darkness is her official title, and Tiamat is stated outright on many occasions as being one of the other names she goes by, not just by the entire dragon population. Her symbol? A dragon with five chromatic heads. The portal to the abyss in the Tower Of High Sorcery even has a portal to the Abyss that, in Ouroboros style, has five dragon heads of chromatic coloring that circle the outside of what is otherwise a mirror.
These three gods each have a constellation in the sky, Gilean in the middle while the other two are on either side of him facing one another. If their avatars are on Krynn there is an empty void where their constellations are...even though Gilean is always present. Also, Paladine and Takhisis are constantly being referred to as brother and sister, watching over one another in case of treachery.
After the War Of Souls trilogy, which transitioned the world from 2e to 3.0 / 3.5e I stopped reading the novels altogether from bother Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. One day I will pick that back up again. I'd love to TRY and catch up on the Saurials of the Forgotten Realms as well as what the former First Dragonarmy Engineers are doing these days.
There was a two headed white dragon that got her blessing.
I NEVER EVER install sponsored apps... but you make great content... so here we go Raid Shadow legends. Love your work man!
The first ten minutes of the video: "Schrodinger's Dragon Queen"
Dragons are the best!
End of discussion, I will not be taking any contradictions today, thank you and goodbye.
I'm playing a cleric of Tiamat, I'm going to have to ask my DM about those spells
Love the whole "what they dont tell you" series. Plz plz plz do a what they dont tell you about Bahamut!! I'm dying to know!! I hope it'll be as informative as this one.
Dude awesome video. Building a home brew post rise of Tiamat and after they have been through “decent into Avernus” so super helpful summary!
“The queens legs are as thicc as great trees”
A quote any man will appreciate
Also 32:26 I fought that boss once, but I forgot where it was. Now I can kill them.
Tiamat eats and sleeps with her own children 🤢🤮🤮
@@rejvaik00 Well of course; *their dragons.* They're not tied down by mortal ailments like birth defects and genetic diseases.
"if you want to move further into hell you have to pass through Tiamat"
Doomguy: loads shotgun with malicious intention
I wish you luck.
Arkhan vs. The Doom Slayer would be an interesting matchup
The only thing I wish to point out is Takhisis has been confirmed by Wotc to be Tiamat, as Paladine has also been confirmed to be Bahamut/Fizban.
Confirmed in 1st, 4th and 5th editions. 😉
In 2nd and 3/3.5 they had a lore revision that made them not the same being, and many don’t consider 4th lore canon. I do but at least they kept it in 5e
@@Rikelsrunescape The 1st edition was the first to confirm that Tiamat/Takhisis are the same. Not exactly sure where it’s confirmed, I think it’s the Manual of Planes. Anyways, Tiamat would NEVER let another dragon goddess be that similar to her. She’d make killing Takhisis (permanently) her top priority. 🤔
In 2nd edition TSR made them separate beings with a lore retcon. Tiamat a lesser goddess in her world. Takhisis a lesser goddess in hers, both unable to interact with each other and unaware of each other’s existence. And WotC kept that retcon into 3.5. This is why I give WotC the credit for confirming them the same being in 4e and 5e because TSR retconned them
Rhexx: "...The queen's legs are as thick as great trees."
Me: *Gulp* "A...Alright."
Yoooo, a part two going over the church and other info would be great.
Pretty sure an official source book on dragons stated Takhisis from Dragonlance and Tiamat are indeed the same diety. As you point out she is of multi-sphere influence and exists on multiple realms
If I remember correctly, Takhisis was in fact a different deity, but was slain and her position eventually usurped by and impersonated by, Tiamat.
I love this style of long videos! I would love to see a video about the different patrons of the warlock and telling about what they offer you I feel like that would be sick
I do like that you make a point of stating the sources you are using. It adds a lot of reliability and rational which many other similar channels do not.
the dark souls side of D&D and i love it!
I wish there were D&D strategy games. I would love to play as a minor deity or Demigod and go about my business in an open world environment, effecting world events however I see fit.
I would so badly want to see a 4x grand strategy where you use your godly armies to take over. I would also want an RPG element of the game in case I just feel like walking the earth as Demigod
Interesting fact: DND actually started of as a war game before it evolved into what it is now, tho Idk if they have any books about how to do war in dnd
Damn, I didn't even mind the Raid ad, it was actually convincing.
Well done!
Every single rendition of dragons used in this video were amazing!
And not a single stolen artwork was credited nor did he even ask to use any of them, he stole my friend's piece for the thumbnail and still never contacted them to request permission. I even commented day one asking if he would credit their hours of work 🙃 The answer was clearly a no by the way
Ayperosia that is too bad :/
thank you so much for the MEATY video rhexx :D
i think you used this thumbnail before tho :P
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Rhexx: Takhisis is not Tiamat
Also Rhexx:
0:23 (Raistlin and Takhisis)
1:17 (Laurana and Takhisis)
I met Tiamat yesterday at the bus station. She was wearing a jeans jacket with a lot of tassels. She waited at the microbus for a while and then left with one of her friends. This was near the Hanging gardens of Babylon. I was sitting at a cafe there 😅
Great art at 7:26 ! What a wonderful shout-out to the Saturday morning cartoon🙂👍
I've been watching you since your Skyrim battles back in the day. I've also avoided ever playing Raid. But if it helps you out... I'll give it a shot.
Now talk about Bahamut. I really love Metallic Dragons, so I want to know more about the God of Good Dragons
I like the long videos. I love you being able to go more in depth and explain side subjects more as well. I find these videos motivating and entertaining and I enjoy your voice and accent. I love your videos, thank you.
You speak so well that you drowned out the drone of the lady whose job it is to read memorandums from the higher ups, and does so with as little life or interest as possible. Have a like and I watched the sponsor section 5 times.
I don't know that that actually does anything but I was just so amused that I didn't have to put in both earbuds to tolerate her, today.
OH YES MY MEAL WILL BE LEGENDARY
Nooooo it's not worth it my dude
...the bard proclaimed before literally swan diving between her scaly, tree-thicc thighs.