Can the UKRAINIAN ECONOMY survive the RUSSIAN invasion? - VisualPolitik EN
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Could the Ukrainian economy survive an invasion by Russia? Even in the worst-case scenarios, there would be areas in Ukraine that would not be at war: mainly in the West of the country. What life awaits those living in those regions?
There is a precedent that can shed a lot of light on this issue: Georgia (the country, not the US state). Georgia, with its capital in Tbilisi, is one of the brightest examples of how libertarian reforms have helped to lift a country that seemed to be stuck in the 19th century out of poverty. Indeed, we could say that Georgia was Putin's first victim. However, they have managed to maintain enviable economic growth rates.
What is so special about Georgia? What can Ukrainians learn from Georgians? In this video we tell you.
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Beginning of video: when you're predicting a war's aftermath but the beat is fire.
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Less government, more freedom!
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As a Georgian I agree with most, but I will add one small correction:
Russia had been giving out Russian passports to people in Abkhazia and Samachablo (the correct name for South ossetia) left and right in the years before the war.
Same as they did in Moldavia and Ukraine, stimulate Russian identity, give Russian documents, stimulate separatism and wait for an opportunity to stryke.
The other question is can the Russian economy survive the Russian invasion
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Yes. Because China and India will still do business with Russia.
@@dragosstanciu9866 China is kinda meh trying to stay neutral. If anything that can be concerning because Russia could become a new North Korea.
@@iattacku2773 China needs Russia for oil and natural gas.
Absolutely!
I always like your videos, but to compare Armenia and Georgia to Azerbaijan and Chechnya is pretty inaccurate. The first two are moderate democracies, Chechnya is Russia’s wildcard and Azerbaijan is an oil-rich dictatorship ran by the same dynasty for decades.
I'm brazilian but i love georgia and its history you can say that this man is modern queen tamar, the powerful georgian monarch who lead its medieval golden age
Very informative and interesting content.
Great video once again.
Keep it up.
Fantastic content , great job 👏🏻
Saakashvili created tourism sector in Georgia
thanks for you effort
That 300billion DOLLARS of Russian reserves frozen in western banks should be given to ukraine as compensation
😂 that would trigger another special operations, I don't that's an option, what will happen is the EU and US give economic aid.
Yes
It surprises me the hunger people have for WW3
If Ukraine win the war, then yes.
probably will be
A Letter from a long time viwer and a contributor.
You guys always produce top-notch videos, honestly, I would say some of the best political content out there.
I'm not going to discuss everything in detail there are some inaccuracies and some things which you got surprisingly accurately.
A while ago when visual politik had just one host (Simon) you guys made a video about Saakashvili and mentioned that, part 2 of the video would follow.
In part 2 you would dive into his darker side, sadly the second part never came to life so I feel like there are things that should be said about this man and his government.
Saakashvili is the most polarizing person in the country, yes he was a pro-western champion of liberal democracy but he has blood on his hands, to say the least.
He suppressed opposition in my country, businessmen were in constant terror to invest as he wished and do as his government pleased.
stealing businesses from their owners in the middle of the night with the help of police was common. Some might wonder how one steals a business, well like this - police would come and tell you to sign over your business or else you and your family would go to prison, real simple. (I personally know people who suffered through this and are still fighting to get back what is rightfully theirs)
There are numerous cases of people refusing and going to prison, some legit businessmen who by the way have won cases in the Hague against Saakashvili's government.
in 2012 when the Georgian Dream came to power the main driving force behind them was not money (Which obviously was a big factor) but the fact that Saakshvilis government was authoritarian in every sense of the word and people had enough.
During the election period a scandal hit the news that's Saakashvili government was raping people with brooms in prisons, yes you read that correctly with brooms!
There were numerous videos of this, that was the boiling point for the Georgian people and they overwhelmingly united against saakashvili and his corrupt government. (Through a democartic election which is very important)
This is also very important - Georgian Dream did not revoke his citizenship he renounced it, went to Ukraine to be the governor of Odesa and was ousted from that role with allegations of bribery and corruption.
The reason why he is on trial is rather simple, he wasted millions in taxpayer money on things like massages and shopping in Milan, that's good enough of a reason for me personally.
Not to mention the public demonstrations which were dispersed using violent means and where people died from excessive use of force in 2007 and 2011 (google Tbilisi November 7th 2007).
Their government sold Georgian cultural heritage sites and so so many more.
I cannot condense the last 30 years of my countries history into a simple comment.
I do agree when you say Georgia is one of the most interesting countries in the world. It is also a testing ground for Russian hybrid and traditional warfare. Everything that is happening in Ukraine, and even in the west has already happened in Georgia (fake news epidemic, war, radical polarisation, Cyberwarfare, etc.)
Georgia deserves an in-depth video on your channel and one that is not centered around this maniacal/delusional figure, rather around the history and culture of our country, about the numerous shortcomings and undeniable sucsesses of our economy and politics.
I would love to see you analyze Georgia because honestly, I have yet to see a proper analysis of my country that is true, in-depth and unbias.
P.S
People in the EU and US were always attracted to Saakashvili's charisma and rock star-like personality, but for god's sake, in this day and age we should look beyond one's charm and flamboyant personality.
Saakashvili is not a movie star nor a rockstar.
he was elected a president did a decent job, at first and later went mad with power and was ousted by the people, not a pro-Russian party (This is also very important).
Now he is desperately trying to become the centerpiece of Georgian politics once more, but this time he is simply irrelevant and the people have learned their lesson.
It is extremely dangerous to romanticize figures like him, our society and society in general should have learned their lesson on this matter by now.
i have heard almost identical story from my friend who is Pontic Greek (Rusopond) from Georgia, about police brutality and seizing businesses. I was wondering why he was always portrayed as a great leader when he was obviously dictator.
Btw best cheese in the world - Georgian Tenili cheese!
best dance in the world - Georgian national dance!
Hope to visit Georgia soon
"You guys always produce top-notch videos" - no they don't. Pretty much every one of their videos has comments like yours pointing out errors and mistakes and outright misleading presentation both big and small. What you're seeing them doing wrong by Georgia, they've done wrong in all their other videos on other topics as well.
Yes, his later years were crazy. I agree. But can you really say that Georgian dream is not authoritarian? At least under Saakashvili there was no obvious in you face rigging of elections. His government was the first to step down peacefully in the history of Georgia and that means a lot.
I don't want Micha back, but I definitely want Ivanishvili, gharibashvili, Kobakhidze and all the other cronies gone. Neither of them is good for Georgia today. We need new leadership that can take the best of those two governments and keep us on a pro-western course.
@@IreneWY
I'm not going to discuss who is better, who Georgians should elect, or whether elections are being rigged obviously or less obviously. As citizens of Georgia, we all have positions on most political, economical and social issues facing our country and there are healthier ways of discussing these issues than in a youtube comment section.
The point of my comment was different.
A lot of foreigners think of Saakashvili as a champion of liberal democracy, movie star, hero, the best and most important thing to happen to our country in the last 30 years.
This is undoubtedly the result of the one-sided media coverage that Saakashvili and his time in the government receive in foreign media.
Quite frankly this is a slap in the face for the people of our country, our culture, our history, and most importantly every single person oppressed by his truly authoritarian regime.
Saakashvili is not what he is made out to be, and I tried to inform some people of this.
I posted the same comment on their patron page and I hope they will consider it.
lastly and I might be wrong about this but, if we were living in a truly authoritarian state we would know, and there would be no place for speculation.
@@temukamosulishvili7591 Appreciate you comment and you're absolutely correct that in the west (US, at least), Saakashvili's trotted "as a champion of liberal democracy, movie star, hero, the best and most important thing to happen to our country [Georgia] in the last 30 years." However, I would also add that this channel has an overt Libertarian ideological bias, hence their narrative blindspots, similar to right-wing populists & Putin or left-wing & Castro et al.
Thanks for this video!
I would add that Both Abkhazia and Tskhinvali Region saw an ethnic cleansing of Georgian population. Approx. 250,000 people were effected.
Also, in 2008 there was an underwhelming international response towards the war. The French negotiated a ceasefire agreement, for the sake of stopping war, with no regard about Georgia’s interests.
2008 war was followed after the recognition of Kosovo by the west and the NATO Bucharest Summit decision that Georgia and Ukraine would become members of the alliance.
I really disagree with you. By the way, there was conflict with Georgia and Abkhazia after independent (for immature politics) but main reason was Russia propaganda for that wanting unrest in Georgia.
We didn't start ethnic leansing, we defended our territory from Russia aggression. In those conflict the main culprit is Russia.
And Georgia always is ready for negotiation but Russia don't want that.
Russia is ocupant
Glory to Georgia
Glory to Ukraine
Would really appreciate it if you guys use Kyiv instead of Kiev, there are no reasons to use russian spelling for the Ukrainian city
Good point.
Will do in future. Apologies.
Chicken Kiev tho
the question you should be asking is can russia economy survive the war.
More like survive the next few weeks.
Well, Ukraine will be getting a free architectural revitalization, and Russia will pay for all of it.
10:09 South Osetia and Apkhazia has always been Georgian territories with Georgian people who had to leave their homeland because of russian aggressionin 90s and later. Georgia did not invade anything, it was recapturing occupied territories.
I think the concept of nation from Russia is different to the rest of the world. Just like China call my nation brother, close friend but did invade like sport.
Exactly, but Russian propaganda influenced even Visual Politics. And it's very sad, I thought they were professionals
U see my friends , south Ossetia and Abkhazia is indeed Georgian territory but mind u , the people living there is kinda semi independent from the rest of it .
Not being able to integrate there two regions and ultimately resorting to an armed intervention in an area not directly under Georgian sovereign control can be translated as an invasion . Hence , invasion .
I see nothing wrong with a region trying to breakaway as they no longer want to remain in the country. Look at UK and Ireland . They fought for a bit , they lost and now they are separated. Self determination is in the core of UN values . Not to mention USA keeping on using it as a reason to invade .
@@jongjunsheng1401 wanting independence would be fine, except majority of population in those regions were ethnically Georgians, so separatists who had russian support started civil war (in case of Abkhazia) and direct provocations (in case of south Ossetia) and cleansed Abkhazia and south Ossetia from Georgian population. You can see before and after pictures of Georgian villages in the area, all the houses are completely ruined, in some cases you could never guess there was a village and people lived there until recently. As a result today half million of Georgian citizens are internally displaced. So get your facts straight and frankly saying Georgia invaided Georgia is just stupid
@@bachhongtran Yes you are right. Russia itself is actually not as big as it looks. Russians are a nation like the French and Spanish. Russia has conquered many neighboring countries since the 17th century. at that time it was called the Russian Empire and on the world map, it looked like one country. In the 20th century in Russia, there was the communist revolution. Some countries from Russian Empire (like Georgia) were already independent and Russia conquered these countries again. And from that came USSR. USSR was a political and economic union of 15 countries. But on the world map, it again looked like one country. so people don't understand why we(georgiens) say that we are not Russians. They think it's like the USA where everyone speaks English and yet they're not British
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Great video
Video title: Georgia before and after
after watching some of your videos, i have to ask one thing: do you artificially speed them up? it always feels like you talk at least at a 1.5x rate. your lips are moving insanely fast too. it doesn't look natural :D
edit: the high amount of edits/cuts also doesn't make it easy to tell ^^
I agree, it's really off putting. Too many cuts and the speed is off.
The weird micro jump cuts while talking looks sooo weird.. thought my phone was bugging out
What is that song at 11:04?
Thank you your fantastic content, great job 💙💛
You really built up Saaakashvili. Would love to see a follow up about what happened when he left Georgia
Our Prime Minister has said that Georgia will not impose sanctions on Russia. Is that enough? :P
Saakashvili was a bloody corrupted dictator. He's in jail now for good. after him, Georgia became a democratic state with one of the fastest-growing economies in the world.
@@giopa110888 lol who told you that garibashvili? also do you realize if wasn't for saakashvili Georgia wouldn't be Democratic or nobody would know Georgia would exist serisly where was bizina or garibashvilli before 2012? oh yea Russia
Greetings from Tbilisi
I believe there will be something like new Marshall plan devised to rebuild Ukraine after the war once the invaders leave.
Actually, there's a TV show already about Saakashvili. Funded by his opponents...
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I would be fucking terrified if Putin said that about me 😳
well, seems like russion power was overestimated, maybe they are much better in PR than military
INCREDIBLE!
I'm all for the free market as long as it has sensible regulations to reduce abuses
If Elon Musk built a gigafactory there, it would accelerate Ukraine's recovery
That would be stupid. Why would you build a factory that Putin might randomly invade in?
I don't know if I should believe this. Georgia has an almost identical GDP growth pattern to Armenia. Azerbaijan even grew MUCH faster but economy crashed in 2014 and now all three of them are similar
Azerbaijan is rich in hydrocarbons, Armenia and Georgia are not. They do have similarities, but also some differences.
@@costinhalaicu2746 Thanks. How do Armenia and Georgia compare?
@@nomoresunforever3695 There are similarities in attitudes and cultures, post-soviet state of both countries similar, they also have soviet-induced conflicts based on ethnic makeup and deliberately badly drawn up borders - Georgia has Abkhazia and South Ossetia, while Armenia and Azerbaijan have their conflict over Nagorny-Karabakh. Political systems in both countries are at least in theory similar, as are population size, GDP/capita, gini coef, even their exports breakdown is fairly similar (Armenia does export way more gold though).
They are however different in geopolitical aims, Georgia has mostly a problem with Russia, which is essentially an rival that is driving ethnic separatist conflict inside the country and in consequence is looking west a lot more towards the EU and NATO, while Armenia is increasingly reliant on Russia for support in their rivalry with Azerbaijan, given the latter's support by Turkey and the extra wealth Azerbaijan has due to their richness in hydrocarbons.
There's obviously more. :)
What is this? A music video???
I love it
Thank you for mentioning about donations to Ukraine
I’ve spent a lot of time in Tbilisi and it’s lovely.
My mom's friend who took care of me growing up was from Georgia.
Georgia of the 90's sounds and looks a lot like Detroit, Michigan.
Thank you for your support 💙💛
yeah, I've wanted to move out to either Ukraine or Georgia for many years, too bad Ukraine is out of question now :(
Thanks for recommending to support Ukrainian army. You're probably first ones who did that.
The free market delivers, again! It's like there's a pattern or something
there is a crystal ball right behind you !
Thankyou for the smile, respectfully it was too much of distraction,
I dont think you mentioned Borat enough!
Loved the Soviet wave music at the beginning!
Listening to you describing what happened in South Ossetia rings so many parallels to what happened in Kosovo
1992 sanctions on Serbia from the UN
KLA militants trying to declare independence while attacking Serbians
Serbia reacts with Military and Police
Nato intervenes and bombs Serbia
Kosovo is "annexed" / becomes a country
nah
@@akolyt Actually yes. Technically the whole US involvement in the Kosovo conflict is seen as an illegal act on the international stage. In both cases (Serbia and Ukraine) you have regions that are ethnically from another country and want to split up / become independent. The problem is the greater powers intervening in what is essentially an internal conflict. That is why the US involvement in Serbia / Kosovo and Russian involvement in Ukraine / Donbass is, regardless of the reasoning, defacto wrong, as in both cases the greater powers do not recognize the whole country as fully sovereign.
@@KaiOsaki are you serbian
@@akolyt no I am German.
when someone says he thinks a politician stands apart from all, he probably didn't dig deep on others or behind an agenda. At least a handful politician qualifies for outstanding lives.
A very timely and well thought through video. As you said, extrapolating the present condition and state of affairs in Georgia is no guarantee of what will happen in the Ukraine, but we can only hope.
Yoooooooo vp!
You guys didnt add that the whole world is in love with ukraine and zalensky right now. that might change some things
If Ukraine could get Crimea back they’ll have access to those oil deposits off its coast. Which would allow them to build back their economy from an oil industry which would largely have Europe as its consumer
If Ukraine could get Saudi Arabia back they'll have a lot of oils.
Went there, did that, awesome place. Keep growing Georgia.
Why is no link mentioned between S-shvili and the CIA?
My assumption is: Ukraine will give up Donbass and Crimea, but will then become a NATO and EU member, and will develop extremely strongly. Lviv and Kiev have already been very western cities so I think after the war this will only intensify
That will be the best scenario for Ukraine but in reality it will be hard especially for NATO. EU is already difficult enough to get in........
@@trentl it is but due to the current war I think that it will work... EU will be complicated AF as they have to not only bring their country up to minimal EU standards but also rebuilt parts of it from scratch - this is however in my opinion also a opportunity, after the war they can create a new, modern and much more efficient Ukraine
@@jeeeyjey true... I hope they can at least get into EU and end this ridiculous war asap
Yeah, my guess too. It seems unlikely that the Russian population of those regions would be viewed upon kindly by the rest of Ukraine. Given what has happened, Ukraine needs some sort of assurance that Russia won't invade them again... Sorry, I meant launch another "Peacekeeping Military Special Operation" in the future, and a membership in NATO and the EU is the only credible guarantee I can see!
That would suck for Ukraine to sacrifice a large amount of its sovereign territory just be given a the protection of NATO towards russian aggression
Time to update the opening animation
the way he speaks, i always have to check the playback speed...no offence pal, big fan!
Having no nationality that's the story for Tom Hanks" 🤪😁
Thanks for sharing info about how to help Ukraine, appreciate it!
This is stupid. Ukrainian army just had 10 billion dollars approved. Go and help charities which lack funding and help regular people
1) Pull the camera back. We don't need close-ups. 2) Try conveying information instead of verbal gimmicks.
Neither Russia nor Ukraine can get trade insurance at this point, so the answer is no. Unless someone like the EU finds a way to fix this missing piece of foreign trade. Perhaps some sort of guarantee or loss fund. There is enough suffering going on without cutting off imports of necessities or collapsing the economy.
There could be a kind of Euro Marshall plan. Poland has been bit of a EU wildcard recently, but they have close ties to Ukraine so that leads to aid to Ukraine becoming a kind of bargaining chip with in Europe. Baltics, Checkia, slovakia and even Hungary have also been on the wrong side of russian imperialism so they are also likely to want to help a war devastated Ukraine.
@@narvuntien I think a lot of Europe's public is going to be motivated to help rebuild Ukraine after their heroic showing fighting back Russian aggression. The Ukrainians and Zelenskyy have played the public relations and social media game like grand champions.
I thought that the difference between Ukraine and Georgia was that even though Saakashvili became a governor in Ukraine, they never had a leader as good as Saakashvili on the national level?
Possible. I recall that some time after the brotherly welcome in Ukraine, he had a fall-out with Poroshenko (was probably starting to take too much place on the local politial stage). His Ukrainian citizenship was cancelled, and as he had prior renounced his Georgian, he ended up apatrid. IIRC he is currently jailed in Georgia as an illegal immigrant (unsure if Zelensky reinstated his Ukrainian citizenship or not).
I don't know who did this video first: the German version or the English?
Nicaragua does recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
4:28 title content
I see Ukraine 🇺🇦 in the title but this video is about Georgia 🇬🇪 🙂
:) not only survive a Russian invasion, the Ukrainian economy will shine brighter. A surprise rebound that makes way for a happy future (:
They are bound to be a developed european nation.
2:40 Wait... WHAT? 😆
Well they just dont learn.. have border with Russia? And want a peaceful neighbor? Forget the NATO word.
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Norway: *are you joking with me?*
@@diogorodrigues747 True. Baltic states managed to join NATO when Russia was at its weakest. Those times long gone
How dare they hide their crystal ball from us!
Klitschko's vs Putin and lavrov in the octagon
damn the guy with the yellow🦷🦷 is back! yayy
If Ukraine makes it through this war and starts to rebuild with help from the West I bet it's tourist boom will be MASSIVE.
i was expecting to get an analysis of ukraine, not georgia .. 🙈 it may seem like it's all similar or basically the same from a Western perspective but I don't understand how you can even compare those two countries
He isn't comparing the countries. His comparing the tactics Russia is using against both countries.
huge thanks for priceless analysis of my country, soon Saakashvili get free, a young generation agree with saakashvili policy.
The title of this video is misleading, I think it's more about Georgia & that guy than Ukraine, you tried to tie the two together but you kept drifting back to Georgia rather than Ukraine and it's possible industries when this is over.
5:35 Metal scrap will also be largest Ukrainian export after this war, lol
First : Georgia and its two breakaway tiny " Republics"! Then Ukraine came next, losing its Crimea and Donbass Region with its two " Republics" of Donetsk and Luhansk ( not tiny at all)next
The next move , entire Countries of Eastern Europe : Estonia, Latvia, Lituania, Polonia, Bulgaria, Romania and perhaps Slovakia...
To be seen...
I think unfortunately the next one will be Moldova, they already have that problem with Transinistria (I'm not sure this is the right word in English, in Italian we use this word), the "separatist republic" in the East of the country at the border with Ukraine. I don't think already European countries and NATO members (such as Romania or Poland) will have the same destiny, but probably they will be a bit more unstable in the future. Probably Balkans will be strongly affected too
Hope all of this won't happen, but I'm afraid of it.
@Anto Nella You are absolutely correct in your assertions.
Transnistria is how it is called here, as well. Little " enclaves" of Russia EVERYWHERE! The most menacing of them all: Kaliningrad!
Grant, Chaudhary Mohammad Sarwar from Scotland was a Labour MP and today he's the Governor of Punjab, Pakistan. His son Anas Sarwar is still a Labour MSP.
Not the same size, Ukraine is twice the size of France, 12 times the population of Georgia.
Great video -- production values, script and presenter. Grant you are even more entertaining than Simon. Now if you can narrate a dozen or so videos a week like the indefatigable Simon.
i think one of the big questions is as Russia and Ukraine makes up 25% of wheat export how fast will Africa starve to death when the exports dry up
Why don’t they recognize these countries as sovereign states? Where has the right of peoples to self-determination gone?
I am really nomad from Kazakhstan, not digital
We do not have "several different languages" :d Is Turkish one of the German languages?
14:13 Georgia, the motherland of com.Stalin, was always a goto tourist destination in the USSR. Especially Batumi and Abkhazia. Also since Stalin times this Republic enjoyed a lot of privelages comparing to Soviet Russia.
No need to stamp soviet Hitler here. We would like to forget that this pig ever existed 😉
Now I know what Americans mean by all brits have yellow teeth. We actually do…
Clickbait title... 16 minutes about Georgia, and in the last 16 seconds the guy asks if we think Ukrainian economy can survive the Russian invasion. Why not just call this video "How Georgian economy survived the Russian invasion ?"
Why doesn't the murican Georgia help their Georgian name-brothers?
Please do a video on Armenia?
Georgia 2008 invasion is similar to the Ukraine 2014 invasion
No
Upload your videos to Rumble too, because you can make money 💰 there too.
Yes it will
really telling how there no donation info for all the wars the us started
Just place the glory PRC flag at your 🏠 house and car if you own one, you will be safe in Ukraine. 🐼👍💕☮️
No way
Instead of use iron ore, UA can use scrap on their fields :)
No one talks about Georgia the US State.
Zapadrus you mean
- Saakashvili was only the face of the reforms. The mind behind the reforms was Kaha Bendukidze and his team
- Georgians for the most part forgave russians for the war, elected pro-russian politician and welcomed the tourists from russia - this is now impossible in Ukraine
- After the war is over, Ukrainian economy will be booming.
Would love to explore business opportunities in Georgia 🇬🇪...I am from India 🇮🇳
Prepare for racism. Hoards of Indian medical students leaving apartments trashed gave your country a very bad reputation in Georgia.
@@IreneWY oh. That is bad. Sincerely apologize for their bad behavior. I lived in Armenia many years ago in Soviet times and had visited Georgia a couple of times. Recently a historical relic belonging to queen of Georgia was ceremonial handed over by government of India.
Racist place for Indians. Be aware
@@santoshdnyanmote5170 horrible people exist everywhere unfortunately. No need to apologise :).
I am sure you could have a great time, just need to have thick skin.