Ballistically your totally correct on the .270. For me it’s cost per foot pound of energy. Abd in that race the .308 wins. I’m low income and a beginner in an ammo shortage. So I stick to the most popular calibers for financial reasons. Line to me the .300 win mag is probably the best foot pounds for dollars among magnum cartridges (I would define magnum rifle cartridges as exceeding 3,500 foot pounds). I think the only area the .308 wins is in economics which is a big factor.
I just believe that the .270 is a bit more versatile especially for reloaders...I just never understand why they don't compare apples to apples maybe he will.not there yet,compare a 130grn against a 130grn or 150grn etc.😮😊
The 270WIN absolutely shines with the Nosler 150gr Accubond LR. I am getting 2900fps at the muzzle in a 22” barrel. At 3500ft DA This load can deliver 2222fps/1645ftlb payload at 500m (550yd). The trajectory is flat so you get a long MPBR… and the sectional density is 0.279 which is higher than the SD of a 180gr 0.308” bullet. So penetration is absolutely respectable if you use bullets that retain weight. IMO with this bullet the 270WIN is Moose/Elk capable within most hunters personal ethical range limit. The old girl is still a very fine cartridge and posts impressive performance when topped off with these modern high BC bonded bullets… Modern performance whilst still retaining that old school nostalgia. ❤️❤️❤️ Cheers!
I have both the .308 and the .270. Had the .308 for over 30 years, and got my .270 about 5 years ago. I haven’t hunted with my .308 since I got the .270, so that should pretty much explain my preference of the two. (I bought my .270 for a moose hunt when I got drawn for the first time in my life here in eastern Canada, and it did the job well.) 🙂
Thats good to hear. I have been rackig my brain with researching calibers for a good "do it all" and i was between .270 , 7mm08 , .308 , 30-06 or 7mm rem lol i hate when they give us so many decisions lol
My first centerfire was a BSA 270 Winchester, just because that was what a friend sold me. I hunted with that rifle for a long time and still have it, and it never let me down. I will always have a soft spot for 270. Thanks for another great video 📹
I’ve had 243s to 300 win mags. My 270 700 Remington is low recoil and lazar flat to 300 yards and still pretty cheap to buy . Dear rarely take a step from any angle. Each is own 👍🏻🇺🇸
For tree stand deer hunting, one is as good as the other. For longer ranges, though, yes the 270 smokes the 308 handily. And adding even more to this is the fact that velocities for the 270 can be improved more than the 308 through hand loading. You can really only add about 100 fps to the 308 over factory loads but you can get 200 fps, sometimes more, added velocity to the 270.
Got my 308 at 10yrs old so 42yrs later it still holds a special place. Got a 270 in my early 20's load both, love both. 270 gets more use but now its 300wm and 45/70 for fun. Not that many things here in Australia need any of them
Great video I’m in northern Alberta had 270’s sold bought 7mm mags then wife and kids started hunting bought them 308’s I now have 2 308’s weall use 150 gr ttsx elk moose muley whitetails bear wolf they perform great up to 400 yards and thats as for as we shoot sneak in closer we bow hunt early season all fun great meat family bonding get your kids out hunting
@@edwardabrams4972 same can be said with the 270 its not the same it preforms better even at range on target and game . But the main point here is that especially for the person who does not reload the best over the counter gun/Ammo in this pairing will remain the 270 .But if a guy likes a 308 thats ok it will get the job done as well .Its just a performance argument really .
We could argue caliber and cartridge six ways until Sunday (or whatever the expression should be) . I would argue 7mm-08 130 gr Speer HC is a closer competitor to, perhaps the true new (since 1980) 270 short action cartridge in that 130 gr bullet weight/SD class. Truth is, can the cartridge combination get the job you want done for you in your environment? That's all that matters. Can 308W get it done cheaper? Most likely. Does it matter? To whom?
I live and hunt on the central plains. Of course a 270 is a preferred round out here. Our state tree is a utility pole. The land is so flat you can see tomorrow coming. However, in the competition circles, 270s are scarce. 308s are fairly common, and have been for decades. The ranges I hunt at are well within the range of a 308. I own only 1 308, an M1A. I own no 270s. One 30-06, though, and a raft of 243s and smaller calibers. Fair to say, exchange any one of my rifles for a 270 and I'll still have everything covered. How about next comparing the 7mm Rem. Mag with the 270 Winchester. Both are very common and very versatile. Thanks for the video. Always enjoyable.
1 thing I truly enjoy about your comparison video's is your honest. The specs, then your honest opinion and if for what ever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you've given enough info that someone can go looking for themselves. Keep up the good work
Down to personal preference...I'm a 270 guy though and have never had a reason to change. Been shooting from springbuck to eland with it for many years. Also doing pretty good with it in NRL matches over here
Hey Adam! Hello from north of the 49th! I love the way you present your videos! They are so easy to understand rather than some of the guys that try too hard to be technical when they're not. Always a pleasure to see your videos! Keep it up!!! From the frozen chosen in Canada!
Short action means a lighter rifle most of the time and for an alpine hunter like me that's what counts. Here in NZ we don't hide in trees waiting for a deer and neither do we feed out.
I have a 270 model 700 and I love it. I put a Timany adjustable trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs,I’m the only person that shots it. This rifle it extremely accurate.
Yo who tee who, good vid man! The .308 wins, trust me and ask any deer guide/ outfitter. I believe the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge even for elk. Shot placement is key.
It's interesting you mention recoil. I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination at 5'7 and 138 lbs, but I regularly shoot my 300 Win Mag with no issues whatsoever. It comes down to the right set up, practice and becoming used to the rifle calibre in question. I can happily put 30-40 shots downrange with the 300 on a given day. I'll be a little sore in the shoulder the next day, but it's really nothing significant. And the recoil there makes the 270 and 308 look pretty tame.
I have shot a plain vanilla 6.5x55 since I built it in the 1990’s. It has killed many things. It is also loaded to modern capabilities, so behaves more like a 270 if somewhat flatter as range gets longer. BC is king. The new generation of cartridges are designed to attract buyers with often intangible benefits. If you miss or gut-shoot it really doesn’t matter what the numbers say. Get a good rifle, feed it decent ammo, and get good with it over varying distances. And if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Last one was at 700metres. Instant lights-out! But I have measured actual performance and drops and dial it in. This was also from a stable rest. I also knew the actual distances to features in the valley by measurement.
I think the .270 has a nicer recoil impulse than the short action .308. I really think the long action stuff, like 30-06 and .270 should come out with 24inch barrel. You already lose about an inch of barrel against the .308, just because the cartridge sticks so far into the barrel from the chamber, and then (specially if you shoot in low light) you can see half the propellant is burning a meter long flame outside the barrel.
I think wind drift is a much better comparison than bullet drop... Gravity is a constant and bullet drop can always be calculated... Wind is not and much harder to read and figure out
I love 308. Finally got one again after a few years of not having one. A couple units here only allow copper, so i just prefer to only bother with copper hunting loads. Regardless, I love your tests and data - always makes me happy.
Great video and great info. Great BC on the CL Tip on the 270, it scored me an 8pt. For me the 270 is my go to. I appreciate the info… Great stuff Adam! Thanks!
Both rounds have taken every game animal in the world; because as you said it’s about shot placement (and I’ll add bullet construction). In the civilian sector i used a .270 as a sniper for my State (though never that small of round as a Marine). Good video
Hi. I have both, love both but 270 win. lives in my heart since I started to hunt big game, it was my first caliber! Since that I've bought 308'and 06 also with excellent results. I have noticed and comparing to the others, the 270w is more "violent" to my ears, has more "sharp" noise out of the muzzle, normally I don't use ear protection during hunting. Great video,great comparison,and thank you for showing us. Greetings.
Given those two choices, .308 will get the job done, but I'll take .270 all day for the extra range it has. Also, .277 caliber bullets have a higher sectional density per grain size compared to .30 caliber. The higher the sectional density, the better the penetration. For instance, a 150 grain bullet in .270 has an SD of .279, yet you'd have to step up to a 180 grain in .308 to still come up slightly short with an SD of .271. Additionally, .270 has higher velocity at all distances (which can be loaded down as well). However, another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is downrange velocity for proper bullet expansion and terminal performance. With 2,000 fps being the lowest velocity threshold for many bullets. However, with many loads, .308 can oftentimes fall below 2,000 fps by 300-400 yds, whereas .270 maintains 2,000 fps to 400-500 yds and beyond. But yet another benefit is that .270 tends to have better wind drift numbers than .308. Bullet drop is a gravitational constant that can easily be adjusted for, whereas wind drift is affected by several variables, making it trickier to compensate for with longer shots in particular. I'll take better wind drift numbers over a flatter trajectory any day. However, .270 has the benefit of being both a much flatter shooting cartridge AND with less wind drift than .308. With all that said, if all you do is hunt within 300 yds, let alone within 150 yds, pick either one, because they'll both perform pretty much identically for the most part. However, given the choice of .270 or .308, I much prefer .270 for the added downrange performance, less wind drift, and higher sectional density (generally) that it offers. It's just a more capable round in that sense. Particularly for hunters who only shoot factory ammo.
I was all ready to go off in the comments, but you got it right. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. The .270 is way better than the .308. The .270 has been my favorite cartridge, but the new 7mm PRC looks even better.
Depends if you want to have more energy basically from zero to 390 yards the 180 grain 308 wins hands down with more energy and bigger bore wound channel. The 270 is a great round but the 308 has a lot of diversity and availability in ammo too.
@@C.D.-tz6sk I can use Hornady .270 145gr ELD-X and I'm within 3" of zero all the way out to 300 yards, and is over 1,500 fpe at 700 yards. Compare this to a Federal .308 at 180 gr. I'm within 3" of zero only out 250 yards, and it drops below 1500 fpe at 300 yards. It is not even a close comparison. The .270 Win goes beyond my abilities to shoot it. The .308 does not.
Actually if you shoot game at those distances the 308 180grain has over 1500 fpe out to 400 yards not 300. I cant seem to find any 270 ballistics on google for fpe for the round you mentioned. If it has that energy of 1500fpe at 700 yards you mentioned that is very impressive to say the least and what kind of energy does it have at 100 -300/400 yards? I would venture to say it would vaporize a lot of meat. Also I would bet 99% of hunters would not shoot game past 300 or maybe 400 yards. So maybe for you the 270 is superior for you, but not for many or most.. It definately is for being a flat shooting cartridge which isn't what I was talking about. But for punching bigger wound channels with 1500+ fpe out to 400 yards without destroying a lot of meatI believe the 308 in the readily available 180 grain wins in that category. It does depend on each person and what and where they hunt really. @@daithi1966
@@C.D.-tz6sk My dude is correct. 270 has a better BC and greater case capacity. It delivers a little more energy in most comparable loads. In those loads that produce about the same energy, the 270 can do it flatter and further. I'd def agree with the fact that 308 is much more affordable and available, has a larger variety of factory loads to choose from too.
It is an awesome flat shooting cartridge and I may have to get one, but my point I was making is also correct. My point was not about the trajectory but that the 180grain load for the 308 has more energy from muzzle to about 400 yards. Couple that with the larger wound channel from the bigger diameter bullet. The 180grain 308 round is not hard to come by@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Love the part where it only takes an overbore cartridge with magnum pressures, more than half an inch more case length and loads more powder to achieve all that. Truly a miracle of engineering :)
Some of the color coding on your energy chart is still outta wack. But that being said, your overall assessment is still on point. I love my compact short barrel 308 for hunting spots with shots 200 yards or less. I take the ole true70 in spots where I could have a shot over 200. Love them both.
Flip a coin. With 150gr bullets, the .270 will have 12% more recoil and apx 2.5" less drop at 300yrds. If you wish to hunt with a bullet heavier than 150gr's, choose the .308 win as most manufacturers dont offer this in a .270 Win. To be clear, most rifles chambered in .270 win over the last 100 years have a 1:10 barrel twist which will not stabilize the use of long heavier bullets with high ballistic coefficients and improved sectional densities. I've hunted with a .270win for years before switching to a .308win and found both to be well suited for my needs. For hunting deer, I prefer the .308 win not because of a performance benefit, but rather the rifles which its chambered in. To be clear, when hunting from a tree climber or a box stand, I prefer a rifle which is a bit more compact and easier to move around with in a compact location. Lastly, I must admit I've grown very fond of the 6.5 Creedmoor as it has less recoil than a .270 or .308, shoots very flat in comparison to the trajectories of the mentioned cartridges and I cannot tell a difference in its performance on deer sized game. At a height of over 6ft and a weight of 200+, I'm not a small man, but having a cartridge with such a light recoil makes extended shooting practices a pleasure which in turn builds confidence for making extended shots.
Great comparison, and bigger seems to be better 😉 However your energy colors and some numbers are wrong, check the .308 Hornady line for 500 yds at 10:02, and the .308 180 color at 500. Also, in terms of probability to hit the target, once you factor for muzzle velocity and target distance, the wind deflection is the most important, so the higher the BC the better.
270 was my first high power rifle, still love it although I've since gotten into 45-70 and 300 Win Mag. 270 will always have a place in my heart. My Ruger M77 with 150gr power shock is a laser!
Good work Adam. Look at the 180 308 energy chart might be the wrong color 270 has always been a better cartrige for me. Good handloads and a 26" barrel 140s at 3000fps is a great flat shooting option. I've had light 308s that were awefull to shoot felt like your teeth were getting knocked out. As a military cartrige the 308 works well but for hunting I'd rather a 7mm08 or 270
My first buck was shot with a 270 Superformance Hornady round in which the box said it had 3200 FPS muzzle velocity. At 126 yards it hit a bit high and became a lung shot. I found the deer a few feet from the shot position and part of its lung was hanging out of the entry wound. It did the job with no problem.
Probably the 2 best options for deer in my opinion. My kids have flat lined pretty good bucks at distance with an ole wore out 742 308 that was my grampa’s. But I have a soft spot for the 100 yr old 270! I own several other calibers that dominate the 270 in all of those scientific graphs but year in year out ole girl does her thing!!! With that being said thank you for comparing the two! Love watching your videos!!!
Would love to see 300WM , 30-06 , .308 , 270 , 25-06 , vs whatever Creedmoor or PRC you can get , and if you want throw whichever RUM you have into the mix . It could just be a compilation from old videos , if you want . Thanks !
I’ve got both. They both crumble deer for sure but the .270 drops them in there tracks even better than a 300 Win mag I had believe that or not. .270 is so hard to beat .
As others have said. I've got both and there is nothing wrong with either one, but if I had to choose just one it would probably be the .270. with that said, my .270 came later in life and most all of the deer I've taken have been with the .308 in my old Model 88 Winchester. None ever went very far at all, and I've never had to fire a second shot to kill one.
Me n my son argue these 2 calibers alway, he’s a 270 guy n I like my 308 cause it does what I need it to do n it does have less recoil n I’m hunting in the hills along the Ohio river in PA N IF YOU GET 100 yrd shot it’s not often !! Both got calibers , I always tell him if you make a bad shot with a 308 it’ll make a bigger hole which = more blood trail !!
At 8:29, is there an error in the chart for the .308 Rem CL tipped 180gr, or am I not understanding the chart? It looks as if the energy is higher than some of the other green ones.
the beauty of the 308 is a short rig that gets the job done nicely. Myself I prefer the 7mm08. but the 308 is a perfect southeastern cartridge. if I was going to a place that I never hunted and had long shots Id prefer the 270 . but I prefer the 7mm rem mag over the 270 and I have several 708s so I sold my 270 .
Pour un chasseur, il est aussi important que le coup gaspille le moins de venaison possible. Alors les projectiles rapides, lorsqu'ils frappent précisément, font tomber plus rapidement le gibier mais ils gaspillent plus de venaison. Alors une 308W avec un projectile lourd, donc plus lent, aura une meilleure pénétration tout en gaspillant moins de venaison. On parles alors par exemple 0.308 RUAG 196gr SWISS P AP, ou tout autre projectile lourd en 180gr ou 200gr 308W. C'est mon point, mais je suis peut-être trop vieux comme on dit.
Love the federal 136 trophy bonded grain and i love hornadys different grain weights speeds and g1 ballistics coefficients thats the two things im after if my gun can also group them well. Would love to see u test some of these other ones i mentioned in ur other calibers please i get it it they cost money but its more information content that some u tubers arent putting out thanks have a good day
At reasonable hunting ranges which I feel is 400 yards or less, there is very precious little difference in the two Chamberings on deer sized game and smaller using equal weight bullets. Where I think the .308 starts to differentiate itself a decent bit is in the huge range of rifles and ammunition availability and cost per a shot. You cant go wrong with either one for hunting.
60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles having owned hundreds of guns over the years and hunting and reloading with them has showed me the 308 with the new bullets and powders can do everything the 270 can and easier to find reloading supplies for and choices of ammo! But either cartridge is a winner in my books!
I’m not sure I understand this energy chart. At 500 yards through 1000 yards the 180 grain 308 is in the red but has more energy than two of the 270 loads that are green. And the 150 grain is listed at 70 at 500 yards as well which has to be a typo.
years ago the 270 factory loads were way higher in fps, just look up data from 1960. now everyone wants a light short action, 20 inch barrel, cause we don"t hunt any more, we are snipers, twisting diles and taking that 600 yard plus pot shot.. many of the 270 win had 24 inch barrels, or longer and stoked 4350 powder and partition bullet could cleanly take and elk out to 400 yards and the 308 was used in m-14 rifles, but was mainly a machine gun round in the m-60 mg. , which it did well belt fed. the 3006 out shined the 308, and 300 win mag was military choice as snipper calbure., I will take the 270 win any day, but the 308 is a great deer catcher in a light deer stand rifle in eastern USA.
Liked what you said. 👍 I think the same thing happened with .45-70 ammo awhile back. I'm told that some people.insisted on using new factory loads in old trapdoor models which hurt us all, (except with that wonderful Buffalo Bore ammo)! JMO
Have both , hunt with both . .308 is setup light with a straight 6x scope and synthetic stock for drives and stalking. .270 is setup for field hunting with a bigger scope and heavy laminate stock . Both will get the job done with ease.
I live in Central Idaho. If u own both these u have most things covered. I would add a 300 for those special special hunts where u can expect distance. We all love to overthink it. I also don't hate on any cartridges.
308 is equivalent of a 6.5 Creedmoor they say. I'll stick to my 300 Win mag and leave the guessing to the peanut gallery ! Another great video Who Tee. Round here in Kentucky most folks use a 270 or a 30-30.
The 308 is chambered in many different actions, M1A, M14, FN17S, HK G3, AR-10 many bolt guns, and lever guns including single shot, Ammo is less expensive so practice is cheaper especially with military surplus ammo, these rifles can serve as defense, and hunting, 270 win is pretty much limited to hunting Bolt action and limited bullet weights.
Well, being that most of the shots I take are under 200 yards, either one would work great for mid range game. What would tip the scale would be that .308 can be used in the ar-10 platform. Great video, thanks!
Where I have always hunted, I've never even SEEN a place where a 200 yard shot was even a possibility, much less 500 yards! Personally, I've never even needed 100 yards. Most shots are under 50 yards and pretty common. But North Louisiana is different than the big Western states with plains and mountains.
First time I'm gonna have to slightly disagree with you brother, but hey as long as we do it respectfully that's all that matters. Having used both calibers doing depredation work on whitetails, inside of 300 yards I'll take a 308 all day long over a 270. As general rule the larger diameter heavier calibers just leave a little bit better blood trails. The larger frontal mass cuts a slightly bigger bleed hole and usually does a better job anchoring them if you make a not so perfect hit. If I need to stretch out past the 300 yard mark, I'd definitely choose the 270 over the 308 simply because of its flatter trajectory and it's energy toting performance downrange (my personal choice would be to bump on up to a hot loaded 30-06 or a 300 Win Mag, but I just prefer the larger frontal mass of the 30 calibers). Now....as far the 270 stomping the 6.5 creedmoors fanny under normal hunting ranges (and actually on out to 600+ yards) you are exactly correct. The 6.5 creedmoor will never be a 270 inside normal hunting ranges, it just offers a shorter action and somewhat less recoil👍
270 is better to me but every one has a opinion of their own
Ballistically your totally correct on the .270.
For me it’s cost per foot pound of energy. Abd in that race the .308 wins. I’m low income and a beginner in an ammo shortage. So I stick to the most popular calibers for financial reasons.
Line to me the .300 win mag is probably the best foot pounds for dollars among magnum cartridges (I would define magnum rifle cartridges as exceeding 3,500 foot pounds).
I think the only area the .308 wins is in economics which is a big factor.
Bush gun: 308..stretching it out: 270.. Both do the jabb
@danielcurtis1434 what are you trying to hunt with 308. 270 is perfect for deer
I just believe that the .270 is a bit more versatile especially for reloaders...I just never understand why they don't compare apples to apples maybe he will.not there yet,compare a 130grn against a 130grn or 150grn etc.😮😊
To me they do the same job and can kill the same animal in the same time and way but the 270 starts to take over at range and has slightly less recoil
The 270WIN absolutely shines with the Nosler 150gr Accubond LR. I am getting 2900fps at the muzzle in a 22” barrel. At 3500ft DA This load can deliver 2222fps/1645ftlb payload at 500m (550yd).
The trajectory is flat so you get a long MPBR… and the sectional density is 0.279 which is higher than the SD of a 180gr 0.308” bullet. So penetration is absolutely respectable if you use bullets that retain weight. IMO with this bullet the 270WIN is Moose/Elk capable within most hunters personal ethical range limit.
The old girl is still a very fine cartridge and posts impressive performance when topped off with these modern high BC bonded bullets… Modern performance whilst still retaining that old school nostalgia. ❤️❤️❤️
Cheers!
Sexy talk. Give me more
Are these factory loads or hand loads you’re shooting? Just picked up some 150gr ABLR’s to hand load in my 270.
I have both the .308 and the .270.
Had the .308 for over 30 years, and got my .270 about 5 years ago. I haven’t hunted with my .308 since I got the .270, so that should pretty much explain my preference of the two. (I bought my .270 for a moose hunt when I got drawn for the first time in my life here in eastern Canada, and it did the job well.) 🙂
Thats good to hear. I have been rackig my brain with researching calibers for a good "do it all" and i was between .270 , 7mm08 , .308 , 30-06 or 7mm rem lol i hate when they give us so many decisions lol
I always thought that the .270 was the perfect deer cartridge
I have taken deer and bear with both. If I had to choose just one out of the two it would be the 270. But I do like both cartridges.
My first centerfire was a BSA 270 Winchester, just because that was what a friend sold me. I hunted with that rifle for a long time and still have it, and it never let me down.
I will always have a soft spot for 270.
Thanks for another great video 📹
I’ve had 243s to 300 win mags. My 270 700 Remington is low recoil and lazar flat to 300 yards and still pretty cheap to buy . Dear rarely take a step from any angle. Each is own 👍🏻🇺🇸
For tree stand deer hunting, one is as good as the other. For longer ranges, though, yes the 270 smokes the 308 handily. And adding even more to this is the fact that velocities for the 270 can be improved more than the 308 through hand loading. You can really only add about 100 fps to the 308 over factory loads but you can get 200 fps, sometimes more, added velocity to the 270.
Got my 308 at 10yrs old so 42yrs later it still holds a special place. Got a 270 in my early 20's load both, love both. 270 gets more use but now its 300wm and 45/70 for fun. Not that many things here in Australia need any of them
As an avid reloader, it's the 308 every day. That said, I don't think a deer would be able to tell the difference within four to five hundred yards.
Especially if you hit the brain stem!!!
@@danielcurtis1434yeah right buddy😂
@@ArmedAndIndigenous hey “I’m a dreamer”
Always wanted a Pre64 Model 70 in .270 that would be sweet.
I worked up a load for a friend of mine that has one. I ended up get .5" 3-shot groups with 130gr bullets at 3150fps muzzle velocity. Just perfect.
Exactly what my Grandpa passed down to me 😍
What factory loads do they seem to like most? I need to dabble with papa's rifle, but not too much:)
They are my father hunted with a pre64 in the 308 and took many elk with this new bullet that his friend was getting from a guy named John Nosler.
@@edwardabrams4972 Was it the partition?
Great video I’m in northern Alberta had 270’s sold bought 7mm mags then wife and kids started hunting bought them 308’s I now have 2 308’s weall use 150 gr ttsx elk moose muley whitetails bear wolf they perform great up to 400 yards and thats as for as we shoot sneak in closer we bow hunt early season all fun great meat family bonding get your kids out hunting
Thanks your conclusion was correct in my book in experience as well .Its so hard to beat the 130 gr 270 on deer sized game .
Except a 130 grain in 308🤔😳😱 newer bullets and powders makes it just as good and also cheaper!
Well said 👍🏻👍🏻
@@edwardabrams4972 same can be said with the 270 its not the same it preforms better even at range on target and game . But the main point here is that especially for the person who does not reload the best over the counter gun/Ammo in this pairing will remain the 270 .But if a guy likes a 308 thats ok it will get the job done as well .Its just a performance argument really .
We could argue caliber and cartridge six ways until Sunday (or whatever the expression should be) . I would argue 7mm-08 130 gr Speer HC is a closer competitor to, perhaps the true new (since 1980) 270 short action cartridge in that 130 gr bullet weight/SD class. Truth is, can the cartridge combination get the job you want done for you in your environment? That's all that matters. Can 308W get it done cheaper? Most likely. Does it matter? To whom?
I live and hunt on the central plains. Of course a 270 is a preferred round out here. Our state tree is a utility pole. The land is so flat you can see tomorrow coming. However, in the competition circles, 270s are scarce. 308s are fairly common, and have been for decades. The ranges I hunt at are well within the range of a 308. I own only 1 308, an M1A. I own no 270s. One 30-06, though, and a raft of 243s and smaller calibers. Fair to say, exchange any one of my rifles for a 270 and I'll still have everything covered. How about next comparing the 7mm Rem. Mag with the 270 Winchester. Both are very common and very versatile. Thanks for the video. Always enjoyable.
I wish I could recall which comedian said it, but he said, "The land is so flat that when your dog runs away, you can see him running for days."
1 thing I truly enjoy about your comparison video's is your honest.
The specs, then your honest opinion and if for what ever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you've given enough info that someone can go looking for themselves.
Keep up the good work
I like em both ! Picked 308 in the "great $hortage" . Thanks WTW
Down to personal preference...I'm a 270 guy though and have never had a reason to change. Been shooting from springbuck to eland with it for many years. Also doing pretty good with it in NRL matches over here
Hey Adam! Hello from north of the 49th! I love the way you present your videos! They are so easy to understand rather than some of the guys that try too hard to be technical when they're not. Always a pleasure to see your videos! Keep it up!!! From the frozen chosen in Canada!
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you watching
Short action means a lighter rifle most of the time and for an alpine hunter like me that's what counts. Here in NZ we don't hide in trees waiting for a deer and neither do we feed out.
I'll keep the .270W. A higher degree of versatility/performance
Got my granddaughter a Browning BAR 270 for her next birthday. That rifle was expensive.
I have a 270 model 700 and I love it. I put a Timany adjustable trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs,I’m the only person that shots it. This rifle it extremely accurate.
Yo who tee who, good vid man!
The .308 wins, trust me and ask any deer guide/ outfitter.
I believe the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge even for elk.
Shot placement is key.
It's interesting you mention recoil. I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination at 5'7 and 138 lbs, but I regularly shoot my 300 Win Mag with no issues whatsoever. It comes down to the right set up, practice and becoming used to the rifle calibre in question. I can happily put 30-40 shots downrange with the 300 on a given day. I'll be a little sore in the shoulder the next day, but it's really nothing significant. And the recoil there makes the 270 and 308 look pretty tame.
You did alot of work on this video. Appreciate it!
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7mm-08 and you have the best of both worlds!!!
I don’t see no 6.5 CM fan boys here, they must be in the woods still looking for that blood trail 😂
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My .358 Winchester always has a blood trail. @@WHOTEEWHO
I’m 30.06 dude, have many calibers configurations ect and have not had any 6.5 creedmore fails… use Barnes 120 ttsx kills
308 Barnes TTSX 130s, 7mm-08 Barnes 120s and 6.5mm Barnes 120s, nothing wrong here. @@lagoonrd4173
I have shot a plain vanilla 6.5x55 since I built it in the 1990’s. It has killed many things. It is also loaded to modern capabilities, so behaves more like a 270 if somewhat flatter as range gets longer. BC is king.
The new generation of cartridges are designed to attract buyers with often intangible benefits. If you miss or gut-shoot it really doesn’t matter what the numbers say. Get a good rifle, feed it decent ammo, and get good with it over varying distances. And if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Last one was at 700metres. Instant lights-out! But I have measured actual performance and drops and dial it in. This was also from a stable rest. I also knew the actual distances to features in the valley by measurement.
Bigger is not always better, sometimes smaller cartridges can outperform bigger ones, depending on the load, projectile type, and barrel length.
I think the .270 has a nicer recoil impulse than the short action .308.
I really think the long action stuff, like 30-06 and .270 should come out with 24inch barrel. You already lose about an inch of barrel against the .308, just because the cartridge sticks so far into the barrel from the chamber, and then (specially if you shoot in low light) you can see half the propellant is burning a meter long flame outside the barrel.
I think wind drift is a much better comparison than bullet drop... Gravity is a constant and bullet drop can always be calculated... Wind is not and much harder to read and figure out
Also double check your charts... I noticed the 180 grain 308 should be very green across the board for energy and it is not lol
Another awesome, entertaining and informative presentation! I own and enjoy using both cartridges.
I love 308. Finally got one again after a few years of not having one.
A couple units here only allow copper, so i just prefer to only bother with copper hunting loads.
Regardless, I love your tests and data - always makes me happy.
Great video and great info. Great BC on the CL Tip on the 270, it scored me an 8pt. For me the 270 is my go to. I appreciate the info… Great stuff Adam! Thanks!
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Both rounds have taken every game animal in the world; because as you said it’s about shot placement (and I’ll add bullet construction). In the civilian sector i used a .270 as a sniper for my State (though never that small of round as a Marine). Good video
308 still has over 1 mile confirmed kill in combat. It's only been out done by 338 Lapua and 50 BMG.
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A very good friend of mine used to load 110 grain in his 270
.270 still holds it own with modern cartridges. I always laughed when people would tell me they quit using their .270 and bought a 6.5cm.
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I have both, love both but 270 win. lives in my heart since I started to hunt big game, it was my first caliber! Since that I've bought 308'and 06 also with excellent results.
I have noticed and comparing to the others, the 270w is more "violent" to my ears, has more "sharp" noise out of the muzzle, normally I don't use ear protection during hunting.
Great video,great comparison,and thank you for showing us.
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The 270 30 cal fight. Lol
Both of em are good.
Great vids
Can you do 300 rum vs 300 win mag vs 300 prc? I am very curious. Feel free to throw in 338 win mag one of my favorites.
That'd be interesting.
Given those two choices, .308 will get the job done, but I'll take .270 all day for the extra range it has. Also, .277 caliber bullets have a higher sectional density per grain size compared to .30 caliber. The higher the sectional density, the better the penetration. For instance, a 150 grain bullet in .270 has an SD of .279, yet you'd have to step up to a 180 grain in .308 to still come up slightly short with an SD of .271.
Additionally, .270 has higher velocity at all distances (which can be loaded down as well). However, another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is downrange velocity for proper bullet expansion and terminal performance. With 2,000 fps being the lowest velocity threshold for many bullets. However, with many loads, .308 can oftentimes fall below 2,000 fps by 300-400 yds, whereas .270 maintains 2,000 fps to 400-500 yds and beyond.
But yet another benefit is that .270 tends to have better wind drift numbers than .308. Bullet drop is a gravitational constant that can easily be adjusted for, whereas wind drift is affected by several variables, making it trickier to compensate for with longer shots in particular. I'll take better wind drift numbers over a flatter trajectory any day. However, .270 has the benefit of being both a much flatter shooting cartridge AND with less wind drift than .308.
With all that said, if all you do is hunt within 300 yds, let alone within 150 yds, pick either one, because they'll both perform pretty much identically for the most part. However, given the choice of .270 or .308, I much prefer .270 for the added downrange performance, less wind drift, and higher sectional density (generally) that it offers. It's just a more capable round in that sense. Particularly for hunters who only shoot factory ammo.
I was all ready to go off in the comments, but you got it right. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. The .270 is way better than the .308. The .270 has been my favorite cartridge, but the new 7mm PRC looks even better.
Depends if you want to have more energy basically from zero to 390 yards the 180 grain 308 wins hands down with more energy and bigger bore wound channel. The 270 is a great round but the 308 has a lot of diversity and availability in ammo too.
@@C.D.-tz6sk I can use Hornady .270 145gr ELD-X and I'm within 3" of zero all the way out to 300 yards, and is over 1,500 fpe at 700 yards. Compare this to a Federal .308 at 180 gr. I'm within 3" of zero only out 250 yards, and it drops below 1500 fpe at 300 yards. It is not even a close comparison. The .270 Win goes beyond my abilities to shoot it. The .308 does not.
Actually if you shoot game at those distances the 308 180grain has over 1500 fpe out to 400 yards not 300. I cant seem to find any 270 ballistics on google for fpe for the round you mentioned. If it has that energy of 1500fpe at 700 yards you mentioned that is very impressive to say the least and what kind of energy does it have at 100 -300/400 yards? I would venture to say it would vaporize a lot of meat. Also I would bet 99% of hunters would not shoot game past 300 or maybe 400 yards. So maybe for you the 270 is superior for you, but not for many or most.. It definately is for being a flat shooting cartridge which isn't what I was talking about. But for punching bigger wound channels with 1500+ fpe out to 400 yards without destroying a lot of meatI believe the 308 in the readily available 180 grain wins in that category. It does depend on each person and what and where they hunt really. @@daithi1966
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My dude is correct. 270 has a better BC and greater case capacity. It delivers a little more energy in most comparable loads. In those loads that produce about the same energy, the 270 can do it flatter and further.
I'd def agree with the fact that 308 is much more affordable and available, has a larger variety of factory loads to choose from too.
It is an awesome flat shooting cartridge and I may have to get one, but my point I was making is also correct. My point was not about the trajectory but that the 180grain load for the 308 has more energy from muzzle to about 400 yards. Couple that with the larger wound channel from the bigger diameter bullet. The 180grain 308 round is not hard to come by@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Love the part where it only takes an overbore cartridge with magnum pressures, more than half an inch more case length and loads more powder to achieve all that.
Truly a miracle of engineering :)
I don't have a favorite between the two but it would be interesting to compare .308 130gr. To the .270 130gr. Bullet
Some of the color coding on your energy chart is still outta wack. But that being said, your overall assessment is still on point. I love my compact short barrel 308 for hunting spots with shots 200 yards or less. I take the ole true70 in spots where I could have a shot over 200. Love them both.
Flip a coin.
With 150gr bullets, the .270 will have 12% more recoil and apx 2.5" less drop at 300yrds.
If you wish to hunt with a bullet heavier than 150gr's, choose the .308 win as most manufacturers dont offer this in a .270 Win.
To be clear, most rifles chambered in .270 win over the last 100 years have a 1:10 barrel twist which will not stabilize the use of long heavier bullets with high ballistic coefficients and improved sectional densities.
I've hunted with a .270win for years before switching to a .308win and found both to be well suited for my needs.
For hunting deer, I prefer the .308 win not because of a performance benefit, but rather the rifles which its chambered in. To be clear, when hunting from a tree climber or a box stand, I prefer a rifle which is a bit more compact and easier to move around with in a compact location. Lastly, I must admit I've grown very fond of the 6.5 Creedmoor as it has less recoil than a .270 or .308, shoots very flat in comparison to the trajectories of the mentioned cartridges and I cannot tell a difference in its performance on deer sized game. At a height of over 6ft and a weight of 200+, I'm not a small man, but having a cartridge with such a light recoil makes extended shooting practices a pleasure which in turn builds confidence for making extended shots.
I'd be interested in 270 Win vs 6.5 PRC if you ever get a chance to make that video. Keep up the good work. My brother and I always enjoy your videos.
Great comparison, and bigger seems to be better 😉 However your energy colors and some numbers are wrong, check the .308 Hornady line for 500 yds at 10:02, and the .308 180 color at 500. Also, in terms of probability to hit the target, once you factor for muzzle velocity and target distance, the wind deflection is the most important, so the higher the BC the better.
270 was my first high power rifle, still love it although I've since gotten into 45-70 and 300 Win Mag. 270 will always have a place in my heart. My Ruger M77 with 150gr power shock is a laser!
What a great video amazing I've always loved the 270 Now you've just made my day.
Your perspective and explanation is the Heart of your show i my humble opinion
If you like both and can not make up your mind go with a 7mm 08...perfect mix of both.
Good work Adam. Look at the 180 308 energy chart might be the wrong color
270 has always been a better cartrige for me. Good handloads and a 26" barrel 140s at 3000fps is a great flat shooting option. I've had light 308s that were awefull to shoot felt like your teeth were getting knocked out.
As a military cartrige the 308 works well but for hunting I'd rather a 7mm08 or 270
The 308 180gr. Energy was greater then the 270 in several yards. Unless I was seeing it wrong. It was marked red and should have been green.
Excellent video. Love the .270. Won several bets shooting factory ammo.
I think Hornady inflates their numbers quite a bit in my opinion
My first buck was shot with a 270 Superformance Hornady round in which the box said it had 3200 FPS muzzle velocity. At 126 yards it hit a bit high and became a lung shot. I found the deer a few feet from the shot position and part of its lung was hanging out of the entry wound. It did the job with no problem.
Barnes makes a 130 grain 308 load that puts up better numbers than most 270. Might be worth looking into
Probably the 2 best options for deer in my opinion. My kids have flat lined pretty good bucks at distance with an ole wore out 742 308 that was my grampa’s. But I have a soft spot for the 100 yr old 270! I own several other calibers that dominate the 270 in all of those scientific graphs but year in year out ole girl does her thing!!!
With that being said thank you for comparing the two! Love watching your videos!!!
not that it matters chart is flawed in the energy side look back at the 180 grain .308
Personally for all around big game I prefer several of the 7mm rounds to either of those cartridges?
Thanks who tee who love my .270win and i live in south africa doesnt dissapoint😂😂
Good job Adam...2 calibers I'm formiler w/ & own both for me in open woods I keep picking up the 308
Would love to see 300WM , 30-06 , .308 , 270 , 25-06 , vs whatever Creedmoor or PRC you can get , and if you want throw whichever RUM you have into the mix . It could just be a compilation from old videos , if you want . Thanks !
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2,270,s 3 ,308s love all them
You should do 25-06 vs 270
I’ve got both. They both crumble deer for sure but the .270 drops them in there tracks even better than a 300 Win mag I had believe that or not. .270 is so hard to beat .
As others have said. I've got both and there is nothing wrong with either one, but if I had to choose just one it would probably be the .270. with that said, my .270 came later in life and most all of the deer I've taken have been with the .308 in my old Model 88 Winchester. None ever went very far at all, and I've never had to fire a second shot to kill one.
Me n my son argue these 2 calibers alway, he’s a 270 guy n I like my 308 cause it does what I need it to do n it does have less recoil n I’m hunting in the hills along the Ohio river in PA N IF YOU GET 100 yrd shot it’s not often !! Both got calibers , I always tell him if you make a bad shot with a 308 it’ll make a bigger hole which = more blood trail !!
I really like 270. That being said. I don't have a 308. May have to try one. Maybe ?
At 8:29, is there an error in the chart for the .308 Rem CL tipped 180gr, or am I not understanding the chart? It looks as if the energy is higher than some of the other green ones.
Looking forward to testing out my slinger this weekend. 3 day hunting trip for me next weekend yay
Well I'm a 270 win man myself but have friends with 308 who swear by it its what you prefer really God video Adam
The thing about 308 is you can always find ammo everywhere.Large variety of loads even when we have ammo shortages. I’m going 308
the beauty of the 308 is a short rig that gets the job done nicely. Myself I prefer the 7mm08. but the 308 is a perfect southeastern cartridge.
if I was going to a place that I never hunted and had long shots Id prefer the 270 .
but I prefer the 7mm rem mag over the 270 and I have several 708s so I sold my 270 .
Pour un chasseur, il est aussi important que le coup gaspille le moins de venaison possible. Alors les projectiles rapides, lorsqu'ils frappent précisément, font tomber plus rapidement le gibier mais ils gaspillent plus de venaison. Alors une 308W avec un projectile lourd, donc plus lent, aura une meilleure pénétration tout en gaspillant moins de venaison. On parles alors par exemple 0.308 RUAG 196gr SWISS P AP, ou tout autre projectile lourd en 180gr ou 200gr 308W. C'est mon point, mais je suis peut-être trop vieux comme on dit.
thank you. Just made up my mind. Been researching.
Love the federal 136 trophy bonded grain and i love hornadys different grain weights speeds and g1 ballistics coefficients thats the two things im after if my gun can also group them well. Would love to see u test some of these other ones i mentioned in ur other calibers please i get it it they cost money but its more information content that some u tubers arent putting out thanks have a good day
270 was my first hunting rifle and given to me by my grandfather so I am biased
At reasonable hunting ranges which I feel is 400 yards or less, there is very precious little difference in the two Chamberings on deer sized game and smaller using equal weight bullets. Where I think the .308 starts to differentiate itself a decent bit is in the huge range of rifles and ammunition availability and cost per a shot. You cant go wrong with either one for hunting.
The long action beats the short action in this case ,I'm a 308 cat for sure it just works good for me
The extinct 270 WSM smokes them both
That's a tough one, i have both and each has it's purpose. If i could only have one i would have to pick 270.
60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles having owned hundreds of guns over the years and hunting and reloading with them has showed me the 308 with the new bullets and powders can do everything the 270 can and easier to find reloading supplies for and choices of ammo! But either cartridge is a winner in my books!
I’m not sure I understand this energy chart. At 500 yards through 1000 yards the 180 grain 308 is in the red but has more energy than two of the 270 loads that are green. And the 150 grain is listed at 70 at 500 yards as well which has to be a typo.
The ,308 is better with energy and is a larger caliber, so it tears a larger hole.
years ago the 270 factory loads were way higher in fps, just look up data from 1960. now everyone wants a light short action, 20 inch barrel, cause we don"t hunt any more, we are snipers, twisting diles and taking that 600 yard plus pot shot.. many of the 270 win had 24 inch barrels, or longer and stoked 4350 powder and partition bullet could cleanly take and elk out to 400 yards and the 308 was used in m-14 rifles, but was mainly a machine gun round in the m-60 mg. , which it did well belt fed. the 3006 out shined the 308, and 300 win mag was military choice as snipper calbure., I will take the 270 win any day, but the 308 is a great deer catcher in a light deer stand rifle in eastern USA.
Liked what you said. 👍
I think the same thing happened with .45-70 ammo awhile back. I'm told that some people.insisted on using new factory loads in old trapdoor models which hurt us all, (except with that wonderful Buffalo Bore ammo)! JMO
Very interesting! Thank you. Useful. Keep on broadcasting!
Have both , hunt with both . .308 is setup light with a straight 6x scope and synthetic stock for drives and stalking. .270 is setup for field hunting with a bigger scope and heavy laminate stock . Both will get the job done with ease.
Yeah, 270 vs 25-06 would be good. As far as energy stat the 308 180 gr was up there with the 270, but it was red on the chart.
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Respect for all the math.
I live in Central Idaho. If u own both these u have most things covered. I would add a 300 for those special special hunts where u can expect distance. We all love to overthink it. I also don't hate on any cartridges.
308 is equivalent of a 6.5 Creedmoor they say. I'll stick to my 300 Win mag and leave the guessing to the peanut gallery ! Another great video Who Tee. Round here in Kentucky most folks use a 270 or a 30-30.
Appreciate the content. New to hunting but video was very informative.
Whats the recoil difference? 270 18#. 308 16-18# average. reloading go with 308, shooting over 200 yards go with 270.
The 308 is chambered in many different actions, M1A, M14, FN17S, HK G3, AR-10 many bolt guns, and lever guns including single shot, Ammo is less expensive so practice is cheaper especially with military surplus ammo, these rifles can serve as defense, and hunting, 270 win is pretty much limited to hunting Bolt action and limited bullet weights.
Well, being that most of the shots I take are under 200 yards, either one would work great for mid range game. What would tip the scale would be that .308 can be used in the ar-10 platform. Great video, thanks!
Where I have always hunted, I've never even SEEN a place where a 200 yard shot was even a possibility, much less 500 yards! Personally, I've never even needed 100 yards. Most shots are under 50 yards and pretty common. But North Louisiana is different than the big Western states with plains and mountains.
Always loved the 270. it's faster than the 6.5 and less drop, then the 6.5
First time I'm gonna have to slightly disagree with you brother, but hey as long as we do it respectfully that's all that matters. Having used both calibers doing depredation work on whitetails, inside of 300 yards I'll take a 308 all day long over a 270. As general rule the larger diameter heavier calibers just leave a little bit better blood trails. The larger frontal mass cuts a slightly bigger bleed hole and usually does a better job anchoring them if you make a not so perfect hit. If I need to stretch out past the 300 yard mark, I'd definitely choose the 270 over the 308 simply because of its flatter trajectory and it's energy toting performance downrange (my personal choice would be to bump on up to a hot loaded 30-06 or a 300 Win Mag, but I just prefer the larger frontal mass of the 30 calibers). Now....as far the 270 stomping the 6.5 creedmoors fanny under normal hunting ranges (and actually on out to 600+ yards) you are exactly correct. The 6.5 creedmoor will never be a 270 inside normal hunting ranges, it just offers a shorter action and somewhat less recoil👍
308 cause it was my first big game rifle i use 150gr Remington core lokt