I think of a good way to explain dodging towers, castles or town centres shots is to move in a spiral, this way you're moving out while also moving sideways. This means you'll leave the area of fire while also dodging the majority of shots. This technique goes out the window once ballistics is in.
The one this hera forgot to mention is nowadays people can quickly wall. So running into someone under the tower is risky since they can throw a house or a wall which will make it extra risky especially for archers since they won't be able to all fit close and die to tower. Also would have loved if he talked about when to vill rush a tower too or basically how to defend.
This is a great question. However, keep in mind that this video was about diving your opponents towers in his base. If you happen to be on the defense, that's content for another video. Maybe we get a tower series?
Your content is improving playerbase level and motivating people to play better and that is amazing. It pushes me further too. Thanks for loving aoe that much, Hera❤
Small wall your camps, (large enough to stone wall if needed until the opponent stops attempting to break in castle age) this will stop most 'dives' with ranged units, and all of melee dives(you will still build a tower, preferably in a way to range units in key areas of the camp)
We don't see people splitting their large armies enough to avoid arrow fire. Like in a nomad game where a villager runs into a TC, but all the arrows miss. If you have a big army, the tower or TC can fire at the leading units and still hit something even if they would miss a single unit. So, when sitting under a tower, you could send one unit out first to draw fire by moving in a spiral, and then the others leave. But the best play involving towers is when you trap enemy villagers in it by walling its four sides (no need to wall the corners because you can't eject through a diagonal wall). Even if you have to leave, they can't even move to attack the walls so would have to be freed by some other units. Like TheViper does here: th-cam.com/video/jA1qqyy8zWc/w-d-xo.html
At lower ELOs, it is common for people to try to tower rush with no real army to back it up. In this case you almost always want to rush the tower down with your own villagers if you can do it before they have two overlapping towers. At higher ELOs it is more difficult because of quick walling.
I'm disappointed the video didn't discuss when to dive towers with villagers during tower wars. This is a problem I have on maps like Nomad where close proximity to enemy TCS can often lead to chaotic tower wars. Your own villagers can sometimes be the best tool you have to prevent the opponent from constructing towers of their own, but it's very risky. I often misjudge the risk of sending the boys forward. Losing one villager to knock a tower down is often worth it. Losing 5 and not even getting the tower down is usually game over.
Awesome vid. Can we get a vid on what makes a map good vs bad? I hear everyone saying "I've got a bad map" but they never really explain why ita bad, or how it should change your strat for that match
What about rushing opponents forward tower with vils vs counter towering or maybe that's its own video. Decide if you wanna defend that area. What % of Tower is built before deciding on the rush. Rush with 10 vils or just 5 etc.
For another video suggestion: make a video on outposts. When and where to use them, how many, which maps they're more valuable on and how seriously the player should treat the stone investment involved.
Recently we saw so many towers from Hera (I mean TCI), but Vinch advanced to Castle Age and destroyed 'em all :))))) The question is, how many towers are enough and optimal?...
Can someone explain why players don't just (stone) wall their towers? Can't be attacked then easily. Thus gets more value. I don't mean in all occasions. Let's say a usual defensive tower without planning gathering villagers inside. Even for gathering villagers it's effective I guess, just remove 1 wall. Even later, with a stone wall around a tower up its super annoying. Is it "banned" or lame, not possible (was earlier at least, I remember) or not worth it or what's the reason here.
Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't. Even palisade walls cost 24 wood and ~50 sec of build time (estimate direct + opportunity cost as ~40 resources, or twice that with stone walls), and that's with your forward villagers. Often, it would make more sense to continue a push, and then go back and wall up towers, because it's harder to rush a tower down when the villagers who built it are still nearby. If you stone walled all towers: that's basically 280 resources per tower (direct and opportunity costs). If all it does is force a new lumber camp, you spent 280 resources to force your opponent to spend 100 resources. Timely return on investment is very important. Once in castle age, opponent can clear out any towers relatively cheaply with 1~2 mangonels, even if stone walled, because offensive towers likely won't be close together. Thinking back to Hera's recent game on Bay vs TheViper in TCI: TheViper went towers as Byzantines vs Hera as Malay, and even though Viper walled all but the corners of towers, Hera just killed them with elephants. Even if Viper had spent extra to wall the corners, elephants could still have taken them out easily. Another option for taking out a walled-in tower is building a TC next to it. So the walls are very effective at preventing a small investment from destroying the tower, but a large investment can still cheaply destroy it.
Hey, thanks for listening to my suggestion. I found the tips in this video very helpful. Thank you so much!
I love these smaller videos where Hera goes through a common situation in a game. Keep em comming.
I think of a good way to explain dodging towers, castles or town centres shots is to move in a spiral, this way you're moving out while also moving sideways. This means you'll leave the area of fire while also dodging the majority of shots. This technique goes out the window once ballistics is in.
...at which point step dance starts... and massive losses for your army :D
I really like how there are realistic visual examples of everything you mention
good video Hera❤
The one this hera forgot to mention is nowadays people can quickly wall. So running into someone under the tower is risky since they can throw a house or a wall which will make it extra risky especially for archers since they won't be able to all fit close and die to tower. Also would have loved if he talked about when to vill rush a tower too or basically how to defend.
Yep good point, further supporting the hit and run method over the dive in feudal approach
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Hera! Your content is easily the best aoe2 content on any platform! Thank you good sir for all your hard work! It does not go unnoticed. Keep it up 💪🏼
I was also curious about the decision process that goes into counter towering
When to counter tower your wood vs stone vs gold
This is a great question. However, keep in mind that this video was about diving your opponents towers in his base. If you happen to be on the defense, that's content for another video. Maybe we get a tower series?
Your content is improving playerbase level and motivating people to play better and that is amazing. It pushes me further too. Thanks for loving aoe that much, Hera❤
Thanks for the video!
The people playing T90's small map series taking notes now.
Very good video Hera! Thanks as always!
Loved the tips for team games!
Small wall your camps, (large enough to stone wall if needed until the opponent stops attempting to break in castle age) this will stop most 'dives' with ranged units, and all of melee dives(you will still build a tower, preferably in a way to range units in key areas of the camp)
We don't see people splitting their large armies enough to avoid arrow fire. Like in a nomad game where a villager runs into a TC, but all the arrows miss. If you have a big army, the tower or TC can fire at the leading units and still hit something even if they would miss a single unit.
So, when sitting under a tower, you could send one unit out first to draw fire by moving in a spiral, and then the others leave.
But the best play involving towers is when you trap enemy villagers in it by walling its four sides (no need to wall the corners because you can't eject through a diagonal wall). Even if you have to leave, they can't even move to attack the walls so would have to be freed by some other units.
Like TheViper does here: th-cam.com/video/jA1qqyy8zWc/w-d-xo.html
At lower ELOs, it is common for people to try to tower rush with no real army to back it up. In this case you almost always want to rush the tower down with your own villagers if you can do it before they have two overlapping towers. At higher ELOs it is more difficult because of quick walling.
I'm disappointed the video didn't discuss when to dive towers with villagers during tower wars. This is a problem I have on maps like Nomad where close proximity to enemy TCS can often lead to chaotic tower wars. Your own villagers can sometimes be the best tool you have to prevent the opponent from constructing towers of their own, but it's very risky. I often misjudge the risk of sending the boys forward. Losing one villager to knock a tower down is often worth it. Losing 5 and not even getting the tower down is usually game over.
At 5:06 why not order the scouts to attack the tower ? They can't be hit and they can also hit the 3 last vills.
Ok 7:40
great - now i can _fully_ die
Wish you could have murder holes available in blacksmith so that towers are more useful in feudal.
Awesome vid. Can we get a vid on what makes a map good vs bad? I hear everyone saying "I've got a bad map" but they never really explain why ita bad, or how it should change your strat for that match
What about rushing opponents forward tower with vils vs counter towering or maybe that's its own video. Decide if you wanna defend that area. What % of Tower is built before deciding on the rush. Rush with 10 vils or just 5 etc.
Thankssss !!!
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cant wait for best of 21 vs HOANG.
For another video suggestion: make a video on outposts. When and where to use them, how many, which maps they're more valuable on and how seriously the player should treat the stone investment involved.
"It depends"
Kalau saya suka bikin tower ini yang Banyak untuk PERTAHANAN DIRI SEBELUM MENYERANG MUSUH.
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My scouts and archers love to dive TCs. Towers are nothing
+1 Engagement
Recently we saw so many towers from Hera (I mean TCI), but Vinch advanced to Castle Age and destroyed 'em all :))))) The question is, how many towers are enough and optimal?...
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Shame you havent explain when its worth to move out with your vils to destroy tower when enemy is doing tower rush.
Can someone explain why players don't just (stone) wall their towers? Can't be attacked then easily. Thus gets more value. I don't mean in all occasions. Let's say a usual defensive tower without planning gathering villagers inside. Even for gathering villagers it's effective I guess, just remove 1 wall.
Even later, with a stone wall around a tower up its super annoying. Is it "banned" or lame, not possible (was earlier at least, I remember) or not worth it or what's the reason here.
Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't. Even palisade walls cost 24 wood and ~50 sec of build time (estimate direct + opportunity cost as ~40 resources, or twice that with stone walls), and that's with your forward villagers.
Often, it would make more sense to continue a push, and then go back and wall up towers, because it's harder to rush a tower down when the villagers who built it are still nearby.
If you stone walled all towers: that's basically 280 resources per tower (direct and opportunity costs). If all it does is force a new lumber camp, you spent 280 resources to force your opponent to spend 100 resources. Timely return on investment is very important. Once in castle age, opponent can clear out any towers relatively cheaply with 1~2 mangonels, even if stone walled, because offensive towers likely won't be close together.
Thinking back to Hera's recent game on Bay vs TheViper in TCI: TheViper went towers as Byzantines vs Hera as Malay, and even though Viper walled all but the corners of towers, Hera just killed them with elephants. Even if Viper had spent extra to wall the corners, elephants could still have taken them out easily.
Another option for taking out a walled-in tower is building a TC next to it. So the walls are very effective at preventing a small investment from destroying the tower, but a large investment can still cheaply destroy it.
What you forgot to also mention is the Teutons towers can harrison twice than the normal tower, so it can hold 10 villagers.
He did allude to it at 9:16
@@danielbentley7117 nope, he alluded to teutons murderholes in castle age, not the more space in towers
First agian